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Thursday, December 07, 2006
Victor Davis Hanson :: Townhall.com Columnist
Our Pearl Harbor
by Victor Davis Hanson
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On Dec. 7, 1941 — 65 years ago this week — pilots from a Japanese carrier force bombed Pearl Harbor. They killed 2,403 Americans, most of them service personnel, while destroying much of the American fleet and air forces stationed in Hawaii.

The next morning, an outraged United States declared war, which ended less than four years later with the destruction of most of the Japanese empire and its military.

Sixty years after Pearl Harbor came another surprise attack on U.S. soil, one that was, in some ways, even worse than the “Day of Infamy.”

Nearly 3,000 people died in the Sept. 11 attacks — the vast majority of them civilians. Al-Qaida’s target was not an American military base far distant from the mainland. Rather, they suicide-bombed the United States’ financial and military centers.

It’s been five years since Sept. 11. After such a terrible provocation, why can’t we bring the ongoing “global war on terror” — whether in Afghanistan, Iraq or elsewhere — to a close as our forefathers fighting World War II could?

Is our generation less competent?

Not really. The United States routed the Taliban from Afghanistan by early December 2001. America’s first clear-cut victory against the Japanese, at Midway, came six months after Pearl Harbor.

Do we lack the unity of the past?

Perhaps. But we should at least remember that after Pearl Harbor, a national furor immediately arose over the intelligence failure that had allowed an enormous Japanese fleet to approach the Hawaiian Islands undetected. Extremists went further — clamoring that the Roosevelt administration had deliberately lowered our guard as part of a conspiracy to pave the way for America’s entrance into the war.

Are we in over our heads fighting in both Afghanistan and Iraq?

Hardly. Within days after Pearl Harbor, the U.S. found itself in a three-front war against Germany, Italy and Japan — an Axis that had won a series of recent battles against the British, Chinese and Russians.

But there are significant differences between the “global war on terror” and World War II that do explain why victory is taking so much longer this time.

The most obvious is that, against Japan and Germany, we faced easily identifiable nation states with conventional militaries. Today’s terrorists blend in with civilians, and it’s hard to tie them to their patron governments or enablers in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Pakistan, who all deny any culpability. We also tread carefully in an age of ubiquitous frightening weapons, when any war at any time might without much warning bring in a nuclear, non-democratic belligerent.

The limitations on our war-making are just as often self-imposed. Yes, we defeated the Axis powers in less than four years, but it was at a ghastly cost. To defeat both Japan and Germany, we averaged over 8,000 Americans lost every month of the war — compared to around 50 per month since Sept. 11.

So far the United States has encouraged its citizens to shop rather than sacrifice. The subtext is that we can defeat the terrorists and their autocratic sponsors with just a fraction of our available manpower — ensuring no real disruption in our lifestyles. That certainly wasn’t the case with the Depression-era generation who fought World War II.

And in those days, peace and reconstruction followed rather than preceded victory. In tough-minded fashion, we offered ample aid to, and imposed democracy on, war-torn nations only after the enemy was utterly defeated and humiliated. Today, to avoid such carnage, we try to help and reform countries before our enemies have been vanquished —putting the cart of aid before the horse of victory.

Our efforts today are further complicated by conflicting Internet fatwas, terrorist militias and shifting tribal alliances; in short, we are not always sure who the enemy cadre really is — or will be.

So paradoxes follow:

A stronger, far more affluent United States believes it can use less of its power against the terrorists than a much poorer America did against the formidable Japanese and Germans.

World War II, which saw more than 400,000 Americans killed, was not nearly as controversial or frustrating as one that has so far taken less than one-hundredth of that terrible toll.

And after Pearl Harbor, Americans believed they had no margin of error in an elemental war for survival. Today, we are apparently convinced that we can lose ground, whether in Afghanistan or Iraq, and still not lose either the war or our civilization.

Of course, by 1945, Americans no longer feared another Pearl Harbor. Yet, we, in a far stronger and larger United States, are still not sure we won’t see another Sept. 11.

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Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and a recipient of the 2007 National Humanities Medal.

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VDH should be added to Townhall
I believe that Dr. Hanson should be added to Townhall's list of regular columnists. I think he will make a great addition--as will the venerable Mark Steyn. What do you think?

Fight the enemies
you can fight. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are our nominal friends. Fine. Iran and Syria are our clear enemies. Fine. The lines are drawn.

Time to start coloring. Let's start with red. And it's OK to go outside the lines sometimes. Maybe something useful will appear. Like dead enemies.

War, you see, needs to be ugly. With that in mind, it appears we are not in a war at all. There is no such thing as a PC war. Such a thing would be called slow suicide. It might be called betrayal. But not war.

Just venting. Never mind me.

(Yes. Hansen, and especially Steyn.)

J
http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/

Cart and Horse Policies
The entire problem with the Bush administration is that, as Hanson says, we've put "the cart of aid before the horse of victory." In the process, we have fought a politically correct war.

At Gitmo, we provide the most blood-thirsty killers Korans untouched by our "infidel" hands. We call Islam a "religion of peace" while Muslims have murdered since 911 civilians in the name of Allah in Russia, Thailand, Jordan, France, the US, India, Egypt, England, Iraq, Spain, Israel, Indonesia, and many other countries.

We refuse to kill a thug like Sadr and his militia. We allow Iran and Syria to attack us in Iraq with impugnity. We restrict our soldiers in theater against an enemy who respect absolutely no rules. Worst of all, we allow "moderate" Muslims to lecture us about our lack of sensitivity to Islam while countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Syria will execute their own mothers and daughters for the crime of being raped.

We need to humiliate our enemies. Let's take the Saudi oil. Let's destroy Iranian and Syrian militaries and governments. Let's free their women. Let's pass sedition laws and deport and jail Muslims who violate them.

When they have had their fill of the carnage, let's then hand them a government without reference to the Koran.

Townhall
Here's a deal. Run Ruben Navarette, Maureen Dowd, and the entire Huffington Post as long as you keep Victor Davis Hanson. I will see it at as a personal duty from here on out never to complain about who you carry on this site ever again.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

Times a million!

Seriously
I'll be spending the next several minutes clicking ADS!

YOU GUYS ROCK!

Ryan
He IS! :D

Townhall, You Seriously Raised the Bar
Where else can you get Ann Coulter, Dr. Adams, Dr. Sowell, Walter Williams, Jonah Goldberg, Paul Greenberg, George Will, William Freakin Buckley, and VICTOR DAVIS HANSON??!!!?

And all that wrapped in the dainty tissue of ticked off whining liberals.

Is it Christmas already? I feel like I'm seven years old on Christmas morning, and there under the tree is everything I ever wanted!

:D

Testing
Testing

They have dumped
Pistol, so i reincarnated Savage99. This column and posts are exactly what is going on. Powerful evil people wish to impose their will over ours, but wishful thinking naive people refuse to recognize the obvious. Reality has a way of asserting itself, albeit painfully in most cases. About all we can do is wait until the sheltered well meaning left wakes up and the country unites. Hopefully, this will not be only when its too late to recover.

Attention Josue at Townhall
Pistol has been trashed again. Can you see if re-instatement is possible, as you did once before? Thank you.
Pistol (and Savage99)

JackH,VDH
I have been reading VDH for 6 years and ya just gotta love this guy! JackH Loved your post-eloquently stated, as usual! If you don't find VDH here you can read him on National Review online...

Lydia
I second that emotion. But don't expect such clearheadedness from this administration.

Oh, and add my name to the draft Victor Davis Hanson motion. And Mark Steyn as well.

Incompatible
Islam is incompatible with the Constitution and muslims comprise a fifth column in this country.
On 9/11 muslims were shown dancing in the streets.......in Paterson NJ. The MSM stopped showing that PDQ and has been going with this "religion of peace" garbage ever since.
I'm not slamming them all,but they have to recognize the position the rest of us are in. Many will not stand up because they are afraid of the others who truly believe in destroying this country.
Until we find a way to differentate between those who seek to live here peacefully and those who would kill us, we cannot blindly accept them or take their word for anything, their book says it's fine to lie to the enemy.

The media go ape over the least little thing in Gitmo, but ignore that these animals throw their own feces on our Marines and would call for a court-martial if they got angry enough to "tune one up". In WW2 we learned to "know your enemy",it's time we dropped the PC crap and got with the program before they sneak a nuke in here.
I couldn't care less about muslim sensibilities, I care about American lives.

Comparisons
I think the current struggle is better compared to Vietnam, which I had the dubious pleasure of joining. The best example is the infamous Tet offensive. For those who weren't around, or who got their news from the MSM, here is what happened: the enemy attacked dozens of towns and hamlets across the country simultaneously, creating quite a stir. How was this possible, the whiners cried. The venerable Walter Cronkite, the "most trusted man in America", called it a defeat for our side, and from that point forward it was all downhill. The public perception was that we had lost, and eventually we did. What actually happened was that the attackers were thoroughly routed in less than a week, with the exception of Saigon and Hue, which took a month to completely clear. The kill ratio (fighters lost on both sides) was about 100 to 1 in our favor. Public perception was that we lost, even though it was an overwhelming victory for our side. North Vietnamese leaders have since stated publicly that they knew for some time that they were defeated militarly, but held out in the hope that public opinion would force us to surrender. And so it did, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I can't help but wonder what the situation in Iraq would be today without the never-ending stream of criticism and calls for withdrawal coming from the left. They lost one war for us, and are doing their damned best to lose another. It would be worth seeing them forced to live under Sharia law if the rest of us didn't have to suffer the same fate. We can't afford to lose this one, folks.

Lydia
After you have declared “that every Muslim in this country is a national security threat, including those in the military, the FBI, and congress”, what comes next?

Savage99: How did you get dumped? I can’t say I agree with many of your comments, but they weren’t bad. You’ve never written anything that deserves censure.

As yet an improperly defined enemy
As astute as ever, Hansen lays out a wonderful commentary on the current situation, however one thing is omitted from our current discourse, and that is the fact that our enemy and his interests, his modus operandi, if you will has yet to be clearly described by anyone.

In WWII, the enemies had clearly legible goals and borders of encroachment. In the current war, the enemy's motives and goals have never been adequately illustrated by our officials. Because we are so cautious about racism, religious sensitivities, and inherent subtexts of any discussion, we have hamstrung ourselves by refusing to whip up righteous indignation against an enemy we do not clearly understand.

The current administration has dutifully and professionally managed this conflict as a matter of daily business rather than handling it as the crisis it is. Unfortunately, we on the home front still see this as a police action, not a real war.

Until we can accurately define the war as an international conflagration, we are doomed to endless recrimination and hysterical self blame by the left, who by the way roots itself in mainstream media.

Those of us who have seen death and destruction first hand are the only ones who can understand the threat sans benefit of incisive reports from our leaders. The rest are too comfortable with the illusion that we are safe from fanatics.

It is in doubt that our people will realize the true nature of this war until it is too late because we are so confident that no one in his right mind would attack us on our home turf. By then, it may be too late.

Sawdust's Comparisons
Right on, Sawdust. This has been worse than Vietnam, though, in the sense that the left, which includes most of the media, have been screaming defeat from the first week of the war, exhibiting shameless glee with every American setback. Their hatred of W is more intense than that of our Islamofascist enemies. The Dems are fierce and indefatigable warriors...it's just that the only enemy they deem worth fighting is conservatives, Christians & the GOP...their Axis of Evil.

The truth, however, is that this war is NOT otherwise comparable to Vietnam. In every other sense it's more like WWII (and is, indeed, WWIII)...a fully global fight for freedom against a thoroughly fascist enemy, Islamofascism, that will follow us home if we retreat.

Hanson & Steyn
Make them featured! Hanson is a great columnist who provides historical insight into contemporary issues, and Mark Steyn is my favorite Canadian, besides Terrence & Philip.

Ryan 44
I second the motion on Victor Davis Hansen and Mark Steyn.

What happened to Pistol and Gunny?
Send out the St. Bernards! I've been in Siberia here at TH. Joshue, little help here!

Why is it that
whenever I read a post by Lydia, all I can think of is Dan Ackroid and Jane Curtain doing Point/Counterpoint on SNL?

Remember!!!

Remember 1812!!!!
Remember the Alamo!!!!
Remember Goliad!!!!!
Remember Pearl Harbor!!!
Remember Auschwitz!!!!
Remember New York!!!!

Lydia
Do you mean you want them to become social pariahs and nothing more?

We are weaker, not stronger
Our country's strength has been sapped by the virus of American Liberalism, read: Marxism.

If we had the clarity of vision that our grandparents had, then by now, we would have exterminated the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, not merely toppled them; we would have wiped out Saddam Hussein's army, not allow it to melt into the civiian population; we would have bombed Damascus as a warning to the other Ba'athist and Arab authoritarians to stop supporting Islamist; we would encourage India as an ally; we would long ago have bombed North Korea into submission; and we would fire warning shots at Chinese subs that tail our task forces in the Pacific.

We would accept that we are locked in a struggle for existence, and act accordingly.

theBaron
Your right, if we had the clarity of vision that our grandparents had, like when they hand painted Radium on watch dials, we certainly would have at least tried all those things you listed.

World War II comparisons
This current conflict is a piece of cake compared with the sacrifices of World War II. Do we forget that our population was half the size it is today, making the losses twice as hurtful even if we had lost as many in Iraq as we did in WWII? Now we whine about high gasoline prices. Back then, we couldn't drive very far because the gas was rationed, as were the tires, prone to blowout. And remember the white margarine (instead of scarce butter) and the awful saccharine tablets in lieu of sugar?
No, most people don't. Maybe that's why so many whine about our "sacrifices" nowadays.

Slight Correction:
Sawdust,

According to our accounts, we lost 15,000 men in the Tet offensive. According to our accounts, the Viet Cong lost 100,000.... according to Viet Cong accounts, they lost 300,000 and after the Tet offensive were never again a major part of the war effort. It was almost entirely N Vietnam from then on.

The "greatest generation" made two major mistakes during and after WWII.
1) We put our women in our factories to manufacture far more material than we needed to defeat Japan.

2) At the end of WWII, we had the nuclear bomb, the most formidable fighting force in history, bases in every major country... we should have finished the job and conquered the world at that point. Because of do-gooders, the same ones claiming we need to "understand" Islam, we have a "nuclear world".

The reason we're fighting a PC war and unable to win is because we've had 3 generations of indoctrination in bogus equality and tolerance. The worst sin in this country is not murder or rape, but "descrimination". You see it here when someone has the nerve to suggest we're at fault for not understanding a throwback religion of oppression and hate. We need to establish a base in Iraq and use it to pacify the entire middle-east. For the oil. For the good of AMERICANS, and let the rest of our "equals" in the rest of the world fend for themselves.

Do Muslims even KNOW Larry, Moe, Curly
They do, only they call them Moehammed, Larryhammed, and Curlyhammed.

Our Pearl Harbor
Dr. Hanson asked in his article why we can't bring the ongoing global war on terror to a close, as we did with World War II. The answer is simple: America was NOT fighting alone in WWII. There were many other countries - allies - also fighting: Canada, England, Australia, France, Poland, the USSR, etc., who fought inch by bloody inch along with Americans.

The war in the Middle East against terrorism has been our fight from the start, with little or no coalition assistance. We've been stranded out on our own, fighting an uphill battle. Can you imagine if it were only the USA vs. Japan, Germany and Italy in WWII? What do you think the outcome would've been then? We'd all be speaking German!

Victor Hanson
is one of today's really great writers. He is one of my favorite authors.

We are fighting WWIII using politically correctness.
I hope to God we banish this stupidity soon. It will get us all killed.
This has got to be the dumbest strategy for fighting a war.
Baseball doc wrote in a post that we should just drop the bombs on Syria and Iran and be done with it.
I'm paraphrasing what he said but that was the jist.
He said it better.

Come by my blog when you get the time. I have some new articles up to commemorate this day.

Pearl Harbor
and its impact on our country and the rest of the world is meaningful to my generation because we lived through it. Today, few people are sure what it is all about. Have you noted that the driveby media was more anxious and tuned to the Surrender Study Committe than to the anniversary of Pearl Harbor and the lessons that should have been learned from it!

To Peppermint
Thank you for directing me to your site. From what you've written - and you are an articulate writer - your feelings and mine parallel one another.

I'm part of a team that writes for another Townhall site: lowdowncentral.townhall.com, and I have my own blog, vestedpower.blogspot.com.

We may not always agree with how the administration of late has handled the plethora of problems, we are still behind our president and our country, and we want to see all the terrorists put down, one way or another.

They shoot horses? Don't they?

loco
I sure did.
Please come up to my blog. I have some articles regarding Pearl Harbor and meanings.

Sasha
Thanks for letting me know about your blogs.
I will visit them to see what you're up to.
Yes we do agree that this war has got to be done.

And, thanks for the compliment.

to loco
The MSM today skim away from the truth. They are bent on badmouthing the USA and our president at every opportunity. My folks came to this country after WWII, and the memories they brought with them were terrible and tragic. That's why they worked so hard to make it to these sterling shores. And now, our shores are being threatened by a vicious and cunning enemy, and the, as you say, "drive by media" are aiding and abetting them at every turn.

There's a lot more to it
My dad was not a pacifist or physical coward, but he was a conscientious objector prior to WWII. A Christian, he just couldn't see shooting at someone just because an officer told him to. He was past draftable age and in the Merchant Marine when Pearl Harbor was hit. The cowardliness of the attack convinced him to support the war in a support function. He stayed in the Merchant Marine, sailed through mined waters on (usually) unarmed ships, and general risked his life to support his country without having to violate his morals.

Dad was not alone. There were a lot of people during WWII who had serious misgivings about war, about American involvement in war, and about our war with the specific enemies. But, most of them put that aside once we were at war because they understood that they had to support their country. The small cadre of citizens who still opposed the war were drown out by their neighbors who didn't want to hear them.

We no longer have that. Our media seriously undermines the government at every opportunity. Our young people wouldn't want to do anything that cut into their X-Box time. Our middle-agers were raised to believe that "war is not the answer, uh, what was the question?" We had a serious wake-up call on 911, but we have since gone back to snoozing in our safe little cocoons.

So, we're bringing the troops home! And, give it a year or two, maybe five, and there will be another major terrorist attack on American soil. And, we'll either start all over again to finish what we should have finished this time, or we'll discover that the country is full of sleeper cells and we're fighting on Mainstreet.

aurorawatcher
I'd say, the moment the last coalition soldier steps off of Middle East soil is when there will be a worldwide holy war, and all countries being overrun will have only themselves to blame for allowing their borders to be breached.

aurorawatcher
Great post.

BTW, the Merchant Marines took the heaviest casualties, per capita, of the Allied side.

Sasha
I went to both of your blog sites.
Everyone should go to lowdowncentral.townhall.com and read the article about Iranian mullahs if you are still in doubt about what is in store for us.

I visited vestedpower also. Very interesting site.

vdh
I honestly don't think VDH has written a single article that I haven't agreed with 100%. Fifty to a hundred years from now the historians are going to remember 2 people from this time. GWB and VDH as the two lone voices in the wilderness trying to convince the American people we are in grave, grave danger.


Peppermint
I'll have an article posted tomorrow in the AM on Dhimmitude.

More bombs, less war!!
We don't need more troops, we need more bombs!!
Way past time to fight this like a war!!!
I'm very disappointed in the Pres. & I voted for him twice!!

GunnyG
OK. I will be around checking it out. I'm sure you have some humor involved also.

Oh and I just saw an interview with a woman named Ghazal Omid who wrote "Living in He11".
She is an Iranian and she wanted to tell people here in the US that AchmedNut plans to destroy the US and Israel the first chance he gets.
So much for talking to them!
She also said there are secret prisons all over Iran for people who have tried to speak up.
She said she does not know why the US people do not believe what Achmed says because he means what he says and he is developing nukes.

Peppermint
They don't "hear" what Ahmadinejad is saying because American Idol and pictures of Britney's business is more important.

Of course, once a few hundred thousand Americans become crispy critters, they'll wonder what happened and why we didn't "DO SOMETHING!"

Victor Hanson
Why are there no men out there like him?
Will you marry me Victor?

Publius?
GWB, a lonely voice in the wilderness?

"the religion of peace" (?) Korans in the

OK, Victor
That was too strong. How about a date?

Publius ? (contd.)
White House (?) Ramadan celebrations in Washington (?)

Yeah, real lonely.

BibsyQueen and Pub
Have you checked your calendars lately? We have Islamic holidays on them.

Lonely voices may apply to Prager also because I think in his gentle way he was trying to tell America "watch out".

OK but today
OK, good point. But today he hammered the press and said this: "I believe we are in an ideological struggle between forces that are reasonable and want to live in peace and radicals and extremists, and when you throw into the mix a radical Shi'a and radical Sunni trying to gain power and topple modern governments with energy which they could use to blackmail Great Britain or America or anybody else who doesn't kowtow to them, and a nuclear weapon in the hands of a government that would be using that nuclear weapon to blackmail to achieve political objectives, historians will look back and say, "How come Bush and Blair couldn't see the threat?" That's what they'll be asking. And I want to tell you, I see the threat. And September the 11th should be a wake-up call for the American people to understand what happens if there is violence and safe havens in a part of the world. And what happens is, people can die here at home."

Unfortunately he has to remind Americans again that we live in a post 9/11 world.

For all his faults and big government leanings I still love the guy.

RIGHT ON! Hanson.
Makes good sense.
Hope to read more of your logic.
_____________

Savage99 you are not fooling anyone going around here wearing that mask.

What mischief have you been up to this time?

War like no other war
This war is not like any other we have engaged in. We have an enemy who will use us to fight their battles. They will use the MSM and public opinion as weapons. They will lie until their lies are believed.

One of the reasons we are having this problem is that those who appease bullys hate those that stand up to them. If you stand up to a bully their are those that will accuse you of inflaming the bullys to fight more.

When things start blowing up in this country that will wake up everyone except the left. I am sure they will want to negotiate.

VDH - truth to anyone who will listen...
VDH is always writing pithy and impressive articles that distill the points without all the extraneous crap.

He has written a number of different articles that compare this war to WW2, and I can't agree more. Do you think that we would ever have stood for a protest of people waving the Nazi flag or the Japanese rising sun after we were fighting the axis in WW2? How about 3rd party lawyer's groups who take up the defense of enemy combattants during wartime? This is what we are doing now, and it is disgusting. While I can realize that anyone is welcome to his own opinion, the vile opinions that are being vomited by groups like CAIR, ACLU, etc. should be silenced. If these folks who protest the war were doing similar things during WW2 (FDR is a WAR CRIMINAL!, Churchill is a bloody dictator!, etc.) you would have seen crowds of dock workers, cab drivers, factory workers and others (who were not in the military) that would beat the living hell out of these people. Free speech does not include yelling fire in a crowded theatre, and it sure doesn't include inciting murder in the name of Islam or workers rights, or anything else.

If this country doesn't find its balls and soon, we are going to be incinerated by the most vocal proponents of the 'religion of peace'. Baker and Hamilton proposing selling Israel down the river is the same as the west agreeing to sell out Czechoslovakia at the beginning of WW2.

GunnyG
You're so right about now the MSM aren't focusing enough time on Ahma-lama-ding-dong and his crazed desire to destroy us. Rock stars, actors and actresses breeding illegitimate children, tearing down a monument with the 10 Commandments, and TV ratings are far more important to the MSM than the lives of we Americans and our soldiers. It's revolting.

Hanson's Great, but . . .
His thoughts, no matter how correct, do not matter since we have a feckless incompetent in the White House. Anybody remember:
>The disgusting photo of Bush leaning to his left and parking his cheek on Vicente Fox's shoulder like some spurned lover?
>The horrid idiocy of having the finest military in the world fight with one hand tied behind its back?
>Bush's promise to make ONE NATION of everything from Tierra del Fuego to the Arctic Circle? Just like the E.U. Only more so.
>Bush sneaking in his "highway from Mexico to Kansas City" with no customs inspections along the way?
>Bush continuing to call the religion founded by a child molester and caravan bandit "a religion of peace?"
. . .and on and on.
DISGUSTING!
(And I voted for the jerk - twice!)

Two words for Skunk Works
Alito & Roberts....halelujah!

Our Pearl Harbor.
I get sick and tired. We were unprepared before Pearl Harbor, before Korea, before Vietnam, be- fore 9-11 and we will be unprepared for the next disaster........Because we don't have the stomach to secure our nation......Get rid of Isalm, even if takes a lifetime to do it.
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