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Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Tony Blankley :: Townhall.com Columnist
Iraq's September Diagnosis
by Tony Blankley
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The word Iraq seems to derange the minds of almost all who contemplate it. Like other famous vexations in history -- Carthage for the Romans, Germany for the French, the Irish for the English (and, of course, the English for the Irish) -- Iraq induces in the current American mind the full range of mentalities except reason.

Come September, not only Gen. David Petraeus, but also many other designated experts will deliver their report cards on Iraqi progress -- or lack of it. Now, two months out, serious huffing and puffing is already building up inside Washington. An independent commission created by Congress but appointed by the Pentagon, led by war critic retired Gen. James Jones will report back on the question of whether Iraq security forces are ready to take over more responsibilities.

Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker will file another report. A number of American intelligence agencies are also reported to be preparing to file assessments in September of the current Iraqi government's capability to resolve the political logjams between Sunni, Shia, Kurds and tribal leaders.

According to the New York Times (for whatever that is worth these days), both Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, have as one of their central goals "to turn down the heat in Iraq, transforming the war from the central national security crisis confronting the nation to an important but manageable long-term foreign policy and military issue." While that might be a worthy goal, it is, of course, a political impossibility between now and the presidential election.

Another senior administration official is quoted saying, "the issue now is when do we start withdrawing troops and at what pace." It is generally asserted by military experts that starting next spring the military will not have sufficient troops to maintain the surge level. Thus, one brigade a month will have to be withdrawn, or else already onerous tours of duty will have to be further extended.

From all this and more, let me save you the bother of waiting for the September deluge of reports from the four corners of our government. Come September it will be the received wisdom of Washington that: (1) the Maliki government is hopelessly incapable of ever effecting the necessary political compromises to make Iraq a functioning government, (2) we cannot maintain our current troop strength in Iraq with the current size of our military, and (3) the Iraqi military will not soon be ready to replace our forces in combat or even heavy police duties.

I don't disagree with those conclusions of fact. But I suspect that I will strongly dissent from the policy conclusions that most of Washington will draw from them. Most of Washington will conclude that therefore we need to figure a way to weasel out of Iraq. That is fine, if losing in Iraq doesn't matter much. But if losing in Iraq does matter a lot, then it is mad to use a diagnosis of our current shortcomings as a death sentence, rather than as a guide to better treatment methods. (Doctor: "You have a high fever and infection. You're going to die." Patient: How about giving me some penicillin?" Doctor: "I don't have any." Patient: "Could you get some?" Doctor: "It would be quite a bother." Patient: "Oh, in that case you are right to let me die.")

As I read the facts, we don't have enough troops available and the Iraqi government isn't up to the job. Therefore, reason would suggest that if we are to attain victory (or success or whatever other euphemism people prefer these days for the vulgar, antiquated, arrogant, jingoistic, unrealistic, impolite, cowboy-like word "victory"), we need to replace the Iraqi government and as quickly as possible start increasing the size of our Army and Marines.

Regarding the latter point, as editorial page editor of the Washington Times I have overseen the publishing in the last five months of almost two dozen editorials on the feasibility and necessity of increasing Army and Marine troops levels (see our website WashingtonTimes.com for those collected editorials).

As to the first point, as almost everyone agrees -- we can't finally succeed in Iraq without an indigenous Iraqi government capable of effective government -- why don't we replace the government. While democracy is all good and well -- we entered Iraq to protect our own national security interests. If we could give them democracy, too, all the better. But first, we have to look out for our (and the world's) interests.

I continue to believe that defeat in Iraq will have shocking consequences. Even most war critics believe that -- they just don't want to think about it.

Just as Abe Lincoln kept hiring and firing generals until he found a Gen. Grant, who could fight and win, President Bush needs to hire and fire Iraqi leaders until he finds a strong man who can get the job done.

I pray that President Bush has not been so moved by his own "democratic" rhetoric that he has blinded himself to the ruthless, practical demands of the moment.

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Don't tell us, Tony--tell Bush!
Tony Blankley writes: "While democracy is all good and well -- we entered Iraq to protect our own national security interests. If we could give them democracy, too, all the better. But first, we have to look out for our (and the world's) interests."

You're preaching to the choir, Tony! We rank-and-file conservatives didn't make democracy-building the centerpiece of our Iraq strategy, BUSH did. Why don't you send him a copy of this column? Because right now, Bush is still listening to Kristol and Kagan and Schwartz and Barnes of The Weekly Standard--and they're not budging on the democracy-building. Schwartz repeated his defense of it just two weeks ago. In fact, it was Kristol and Kagan who came up with the idea of the surge in the first place, which should tell you which experts have the President's ear and which (like you) do not.

As for building up our army, Rumsfeld should have undertaken that right after 9-11. We would have had an expanded army by now. But there's no way we can build up our forces rapidly starting TODAY in anything less than a couple of years anyway. So following through on revitalizing our army is going to be a job for the next President. It needs to be done, but the cavalry won't arrive in time to bail us out before the November 2008 election.

Tony concludes by saying: "I pray that President Bush has not been so moved by his own 'democratic' rhetoric that he has blinded himself to the ruthless, practical demands of the moment."

Mr. President, I don't presume to have all the answers.

But I do have one suggestion that I think could only improve the situation enormously:

PLEASE cancel your subscription to The Weekly Standard. And don't listen to those guys anymore.

Soooooo
We continue to leave the decision making on the political leadership in Iraq to Pres. Bush? He's done a bang-up job to date, hasn't he?

Pres. Bush: "Should I pick this proponent of Islamic rule? Or this other proponent of Islamic rule? Wait a sec...isn't this guy over here a proponent of Islamic rule, too? What about him?"

It's a silk purse from a pig's ear no matter what we do.

Let's see...
One of the cornerstone's of the Bush foreign policy is that by imposing democratic governments in the ME we will reduce the threat of terrorism. So the Palestinians elect Hamas, and the Iraqis vote right down sectarian lines, and end up with a dysfunctional government.
Rather than impose a new government on the Iraqis (as Tony suggests), it's time to rethink the whole mission.

Gregdn
You've hit on something that I'm surprised that more people don't recognize. Namely that we, as a nation, are "imposing democratic governments" on the peoples of the Middle East. It bears repeating...Imposing. Democratic. Government.

Which of those words doesn't belong?

Tony
I hear you, but I question whether the nuts and bolts of "replacing the government" could really be implemented. Forget about the howling from the Dems and the war critics over here. We would lose whatever goodwill and credibility we have with the Iraqi people, not that there is much to begin with. And who would replace the current officials? Another Saddam strongman and his cadre? There do not appear to be a plethora of competent statesmen emerging. The logistics boggle the mind.

Not sure how this would ever be untangled. A follow up column discussing how this could be done from a practical point of view would be most welcome.

Tony
"Come September it will be the received wisdom of Washington that: (1) the Maliki government is hopelessly incapable of ever effecting the necessary political compromises to make Iraq a functioning government, (2) we cannot maintain our current troop strength in Iraq with the current size of our military, and (3) the Iraqi military will not soon be ready to replace our forces in combat or even heavy police duties."

WOW now how about taking the giant step of saying how we will expand and reequip the Army and pay for the Iraq Debacle. instead of allowing Bush to carry on this senseless (yes, I know you disagree)Iraq war until he gets out of office which is clearly his plan now. It used to be that a watch phrase of conservatives was "accept responsibility".

It won't happen
Blankley assumes that Bush can in fact replace this government. Which ignores that this is a Shia clerical state whose support rests with Sistani and the Shia clerics. Just how do you replace them? The problem, after all, is that the Shia's chose the Koran as the basis of civil law over the opposition of the Sunni's, and then handed its interpretation over to the clerics, as opposed to the judiciary or the legislature. Since the Shia's are in control, this dicates that the Sunni's are expected to subject themselves to the rule of Shia clerics - something no Sunni will ever do.

Then, we have Blankleys assertion that we need to build up our forces. I agree. However, I don't know how we're going to do that. After all, we have the smallest army we've had since prior to WWII, yet 11% of the enlistees last year had to have felonies waived in order to be accepted.

The lesson is that neither the children of conservatives nor of liberals have any interest in fighting this war. And since neither Conservatives nor Liberals either insist that their children enlist, 0r are vocal in their support of a draft - just where will we get the forces? The Army hopes it can add 7,000 soldiers per year. But that's a stretch. After all, what are they going to do, increase the felons in the service or recruit in prisons?

The left denies there's a problem, and the right likes to be politically correct by going on endlessly telling us what the problem is. However, neither will insist that their children enlist, and neither support a draft. They talk with their mouths - but they vote with their feet.

There is no meaningful support for this war - and Bush is out of options. He cannot simply throw out the existing elected government without turning the Shia's fully against us - and he can't build up the forces to have a better military option that we control.

It's all too little too late. Two generals in Iraq commented over the week-end that the Iraqi army lacks the material and manpower to control the territory we're currently clearing with the surge. And since we don't have the manpower to both clear this territory, and then hold it, what are we going to do? Give it back?

Nice comments Tony - but entirely unrealistic. It won't happen.

Dave Stone
"After a week of this, public opinion polls will show overwhelming displeasure about Iraq and Bush will then concede defeat. High ranking generals, including Gen Patraeus, will be keel hauled before congress and forced to confess their shortcomings and how they let the President down."

It was not the generals who let Bush down. It was the Bush Regime and the Republican Party who let the military including the generals down

"And the troops will come home to vilification and scorn by leftists while the "great silent majority" stands idly by and allows this to happen."

Simpl not true! In fact it is moderates, who you insist upon calling leftists, and the Democrats who are doing the most for the troops rather than shopping and wearing yellow ribbons (although even those seem to be disappearing). How are they? Fighting for funding for accelerated acquisition of the most effective armor resistant vehicles, demanding adequate funding for military healthcare and support services, providing funding to reequip and train not ready Guard, Reserve and Active forces, advocating the GI Bill of rights. The VSOs are starting to catch on but even they lag behind but are starting to catch on

The third likely option
The third option is the one you will hear. We've had success in clearing the enemy from those areas we chose, but the political process has not kicked in and - as the generals said over the week-end, "The Iraqi's don't have the forces to hold the territory we're clearing". It's the end of June - and the Iraqi's are getting ready to take a month off - and the Sunni's and Sadr's group are boycotting the legislature. That leaves them one month to put changes in place that the American people can take as a commitment to compromise.

Don't hold your breath.

It will come down to one issue.

Do you believe in Bush's concept of "national reconciliation", or not? They've had 1.5 years to show us they want a unity government. How much longer do you want to keep pushing this particular rock up the hill?

If you do not believe that there will ever be a national unit government - then the issue will be what to do.

Do we support the Shia's at the expense of the Sunni's, divide it up,etc.?

As far as the left - I'd suggest you look equally at the center and the right. The center left long ago, and the right talks a good game - but when it comes to urging their children to enlist or to support a draft - they are nowhere to be found. Further, barely 1/2 now support Bush on this war.

As far as people villifying these troops - that's not likely this time around - precisely because there are people like you and me who came home the last time. The troops - after all - will have been successful. They, after all, cannot make Iraqi politicians do what they refuse to do.

The issue is not the performance of the forces - the issue is the performance of the Shia clerical parties and the Sunni's. And it will be the political process that people heap their scorn on - as it will not have been successful.

And that's what you should focus on.

After all, if the Shia's and Sistani refuse to share power - then just how long should we continue to fight and die for an Ayatollah and a Shia clerical state based on the Koran.

I was a young girl
during WWII and vividly remember the patriotism and the feeling that we were all together in trying to win the war. We saved our fat, doled out our ration stamps, ate less meat, learned patriotic songs, practised air raid drills. listened to the war news that was actually on the side of the country, etc. Remembering all of this ,I can't helped but think how things would have turned out in Irag if the media, the democrats and the republicans were all in it together to win the war.

loco
"Remembering all of this ,I can't helped but think how things would have turned out in Irag if the media, the democrats and the republicans were all in it together to win the war."

I think you gave the answer. It was an effort everyone was invovled in it and agreed upon the price. We on the other hand pass the cost on to our children and the task of fighting a war to an undermanned, underequipped military which now is abandoned in the desert in the middle of a war while the other combat and support troops are stripped of equipment and funding to pay for the troops abandoned in the desert. This way it is neat and clean. We are not inconvenienced and the troops actually help pay for the war. After the war what will we have???? Oh, um let's not go there....

Tony is wrong on this one!
We do not need to replace the Iraqi leaders. This madness of trying to set up governments we like has only generated problems and conflicts in the last 60 years that could have been avoided. American foreign policy should focus on dealing with whoever is in power to serve American interests. Particularly for Iraq, it is in our interests that the Iraqi people step up and take responsibility for their own country.
How this will be accomplished by forcing in a new "puppet" government is unclear to me. The Iraqi people will look upon such an action as exactly what it is, imperialism!

The surge is showing signs of working and if we concentrate on building up and toughening up Iraqi security forces, the rest will fall into place. There is no George Washington in Iraq, why expect such a high level of performance? After 40 years of Saddam, the Iraqis must learn to govern themselves, even if the progress is two steps forward, one step back. If you think of an accident victim with broken legs, the journey back to health is imperfect, but there is no other way than to go through with it. So in Iraq, the people have a government, let them build some loyalty to it. Leave the leadership in place to learn how to govern, work on the security aspects, and let Iraq fund its own reconstruction. A tall order, yes, but better than America doing more of what Iraqis need to do.

A realistic conservative American foreign policy would follow this model, anything else is an invitation to disaster and will convince all ME nations that America is not there to help, only to impose its own will. For more information on Iraq and American foreign policy (policy write up isn't complete yet), visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. Thanks, Joe

iraq
the problem is that we might be fighting in iraq but are fighting the entire middle east. The corrupt mullahs and oil sheiks want no change to status quo and can find unlimited brainwashed followers of the blood cult to fight against our attempts to help iraq find a way to self rule. These pathetic leaders encourage illiteracy and have successfuly painted the picture that our attempts to free iraq is an attack on islam. Is there any way to free the ME from these pitiful leaders who expoit and intimidate their own people and who will not hesitate to imprison or kill any dissenters? I don't know but until we come up with a better approach squandering our wealth and the lives of our young soldiers needs to be reconsidered

Death of the Neo-cons
"[W]hy don't we replace the [Iraqi] government? While democracy is all good and well--we entered Iraq to protect our own national security interests."

So what of the so-called "coalition"? What of our boys and their families being told by President Bush that they were being asked to risk death in order to provide democracy for the Iraqi people? What of the countless Bush speeches about democracy being the solution to the problem of terrorism? It was all lies? Really? You don't say!

And now you're telling us that what true conservatives really want are governments all around the world that support our interests, and that they couldn't care less about whether such goverments are democratically elected? Really? You don't say!

Turns out there's nothing new about these modern day conservatives after all. Certainly, when it comes to Iraq, there was nothing "neo" about this "con".

Dave Stone
LOL I keep telling you I was never a coal miner. Listen, you tend to be as subtle as I. The left does not hate the troops. But I am beginning to wonder about the right.

I do not know how else to explain the attempts to close of Walter Reed or the underfunding and personnel cuts to military healthcare. The refusal to accelerate armored vehicles for the Marines or preventing reequiping and training the forces. These are real issues affecting the everyday life and military capability of the forces. Fully funding VA??? The new GI Bill??? No Dave the right certainly appears to actually distain the military and is actively damaging them. Once upon a time you may have been right but that was long ago and far away.....

blaming the left and the media
many conservatives don't seem to have learned about personal responsibilty in their lives.

how many issues do i see blamed on everyone else but themselves on this board on a daily basis.

according to many posters all the evils in the world can be blamed on

liberals
the media
aclu
activist judges
democrat congress
and of course bill clinton.

hogwash

george bush personally and irresponsibly lost this war through incompetence and stubborness.

if he had prosecuted this war properly we would not be having this discussion right now and most of our troops would be home.

he went to war for the wrong reasons
he went to war with too few troops
he went to war with not enough planning
he went to war without an understanding of the culture.

heres the thing my conservative friends, there is a reason bush's approval rating is at a lower level than jimmy carters, the rest of america understands he is responsible for losing this war.

Saddam Redux
Now we see the reason that Bush 1 didn't go into Iraq after Gulf War 1 and the wisdom of Powells advice on gettin into this quagmire. You can not "give" democracy to any people that doesnt desire it and guess what? Not all do! My conservative brothers need to realize that this incurcion was a Big mistake and Never was a move against terrorism.
Blankely is correct in much of his analisis but gives away what will be the end game in this drama. He writes " Bush needs to hire and fire Iraqi leaders until he finds a strong man who can get the job done." Well I think they had one but we hung him. What you bet that the one that gets the job done will be a Saddam redux.

religiouslib
You forgot to mention the Moveon.org "types", and of course, gays.


Okay now I am laughing
The libtards on here accuse conservatives of not accepting consequences as they protest the death penalty. They accuse conservative of utopian dreams as they try and legislate against anything ever bad happening at all along with their social engineering schemes also known as entitlements. Reality is you idiots spout this stupid stuff without ever really knowing what it means. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Naysayers
It's a good thing the American Revolution was not left up to most of the current population. If it was America would not exist and communism would rule.

val34
Ridiculous. The missing component is very few understand muslim culture. For starters compromise is a new concept to them. That is why they still practice tribalism. The closest thing to compromise to them is a truce, which is in reality not a compromise at all.

johnf
you are right i forgot they were destroying america also.

Lugar is right
Look...I don't recall ever being in favor of losing american blood on politically incorrect despots in other countries [preemtive strikes]. When did that become a conservative agenda? Afganistan, yes. Iraq no. Now instead of being strong against the Taliban/Al Quaeda we are fighting essentially a two front war with citizen soldiers working their snd or third tour.

Lugar is right...it isn't our war anymore. The Iraqis own whatever is there.

And, Tony's protests notwithstanding, We should have learned this lesson in Viet Nam. As someone once said...those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it.

All these solutions-
All these solutions - sounds like a debate they've probably had in the White House at times.

We broke it - we own it - and absent some compromise with the Sunni's - we'll have a Shia clerical state whose principal ally is Iran - who funds the Badr and Sadr militias, a Shia national intelligence service that competes with the "government" intelligence service, and that provides bombs and training to whoever wants to use them against us - or the Sunni's. The government cannot prevent this - and perhaps it doesn't try. The Sunni speaker the Shias voted out got bounced for laughing when listening to the talk of security - because he'd concluded that 75% of those sitting in the legislature were directly or indirectly involved in all of these activities.

This egg is not going to get glued back together again.

2 years ago 60% of the people in this country began saying it wasn't worth the cost, and in the spring, the center shifted decisively as to bringing our troops home - so that over 60% now say this should be our policy. So the center is gone.

Given that Bush is now down to 30% or below on approval, and under that figure on the war, we now see that the right itself is walking away as well.

Frankly, they're tired of listening to the promises made that never result in action. That's typically American. American
's are down to "show me". What little credibility Bush has left is now riding on that weak and divided Iraqi government. If it doesn't give him something to take to Congress by September - meaning an oil deal or a power sharing arrangement - then you might as well start taking numbers for the lifeboats.

Bush was never a conservative. The word neo-con is meaningless - because there are only conservatives - not "new" conservatives. This little adventure has no happy ending. So - we're off the silly "make the Muslims democratic" policy, and back to the hard eyed reality of you do business with those that support your self interest.

Eben
"Bush was never a conservative. The word neo-con is meaningless - because there are only conservatives - not "new" conservatives. This little adventure has no happy ending. So - we're off the silly "make the Muslims democratic" policy, and back to the hard eyed reality of you do business with those that support your self interest"

Bush was a fundementalist conservative and I suspect if you ask him he will still say he is.

Hal
Hence the missionairy zeal. And, I suspect, the misplaced loyalty to Mexico as well.

Granted - he'd call himself this. But his big government, spending and economic policies bear no relationship to conservative principals. And given conservative principals stated that we should stay out of nation building - his foreign policy bore no relationship to conservative principals as well.

Oops. Did I say principals?

Eben
I point out to you that Reagan's big government, spending and economic policies bear no relationship to conservative principals also. He would disagree on the foreign policy issues also. I am not certain at all that a "real" conservative as defined on this site can get elected

hal and eben
I think in bush too many of us saw something that wasn't there. Many of were hopeful for a new direction after the wasted presidency of clinton. His betrayal of america over this amnesty bill shows his lack of understanding of the rules of law. Catering to special interests might give him momentary pleasure as they will surround him and assure him of his leadership over this issue. Ignoring the wishes of the american people is another matter. It can be argued that intelligence over iraq was flawed. However the grim statistics of the invasion by illegals is there as well as the predicted costs for this amnesty is another matter. Many of our parents and grandparents, et all, had to earn citizenship> Why he doesn't understand that we cannot give away this precious gift to low skilled and poorly ecucated invaders who have repeatedly broken our laws. It is also questionable whether these invaders will embrace this country and it's values or merely to to supplant our culture with the one they bring with them. A reluctance to honor our laws as well as learn and speak english shows we are asking for great troubles further down the road if we can't control whop is entering our country

wildwest
"I think in bush too many of us saw something that wasn't there. Many of were hopeful for a new direction after the wasted presidency of clinton. "

And many of us saw a growing prosperous country that no longer exists

Dave Stone
Remember this day we agreed: Hal, on this we agree: the right, at least the elected "right" do not show respect to the troops. Amen.

"But we've been sold out. We wanted heartless men who kill our enemies unmercifully and quickly, defend our troops, make abled bodied citizens go back to work, cut our taxes, secure our borders and facilitate the growth of American businesses to make things and put people to work here, not over there."

See I think we got the heartless men. The deadliest soldiers I have ever met were also the kindest and most honest. The heartless men were generally deceivers and not to be trusted. If you wanted all the rest I put to you Al Gore was your man at least far closer than this guy.

Dave Stone et al
Must run but be well and enjoy the day

Bush vs. FDR
loco writes: "I was a young girl
during WWII and vividly remember the patriotism and the feeling that we were all together in trying to win the war....I can't helped but think how things would have turned out in Irag if the media, the democrats and the republicans were all in it together to win the war."

But you forgot how unpopular getting involved in Europe had been BEFORE the Pearl Harbor attack:

A Gallup Poll in 1938 showed that 54% of Americans supported Chamberlain's giveaway of Czechoslovakia to Hitler, and 68% of Americans were opposed to the U.S. getting involved militarily. IOW, war with Germany in 1938 would have been as unpopular with America as war with Iraq is now. FDR knew that a long difficult war could not be sustained with such public opposition to it.

So FDR had to wait until AFTER the Pearl Harbor attack and Hitler's formal declaration of war against the U.S. made war with Germany seem necessary to even the isolationists.

That's the difference. FDR waited till the American people were ready. Bush jumped into the Iraq War while (according to the polls) a similar percentage of Americans were opposed to Iraq as had been opposed to fighting Nazi Germany in 1938.

The root cause, therefore, is Bush's adoption of PREEMPTIVE war against Iraq. Attacking before the threat to ourselves has become obvious makes it hard for the naive or skeptical or cynical (and there are many) to support a venture based only on theories of what MIGHT happen if we don't attack.

FDR didn't launch a pre-emptive war like Bush did.

SteveL
Technically speaking FDR di launch a pre-emptive war with Germany. Secondly, your polls are wrong. There was high support for the war in Iraq.

Spinning
Hal is spinning history again and in some cases blatantly lying.

hoodwinked
To those who feel hoodwinked by the GOP and Bush, that is YOUR fault, not his. Would you really rather have Kerry? Your unrealistic. You have to go with the best choices at the time and then participate and pressure for the things you want. Simply casting a vote doesn't do the job completely.

Nation Building
For those who think that isn't conservative then I say you are not conservative, you are an isolationist. Big difference. Policies change due to circumstances, they have too. Nation building is usually inevitable, and history has shown it usually pays for itself in the end. Look at Japan and many Eastern Europeans countries. However the other option is to level your enemy then dump the nation building into the lap of the UN. Of course the UN has never accomplished anything, but you could proceed that way. they are doing such a fine job with ME and Africa, oh and don't forget Korea, and Bosnia.

stripes
When premption becomes nuclear deterrance then it is necessary. Would you rather wait until a nuclear bomb goes off in this country to retaliate? What about five bombs simultaneously? What if we get hit so hard one day we can't get up and retaliate? What then? Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Hal Donohue
I think you forgot we were in a recession when Bush took office.

lolo
as someone who was a defender of the president and who voted for him twice, I am totally dismayed by his support of this amnesty travesty. When something is broken you fix it. This bill associated with the socialist dims is only going to make everything worse. I hope someone can get the president's ear and help him see the errors of his thinking on this issue

lolo
re-read your american history

germany declared war on us first on dec.11 1941

Spell it out, Mr. BLANKley
Mr BLANKley writes, " Most of Washington will conclude that therefore we need to figure a way to weasel out of Iraq. That is fine, if losing in Iraq doesn't matter much."

I find it interesting that Mr BLANKley defines a strategy for leaving Iraq as "weaseling." The whole discussion regarding winning and losing isn't particularly fruitful because no one really bothers to define the terms. Occasionally "winning" means training the Iraqi forces until they are able to maintain order in Iraq. However, this still is very vague because by how much does violence need to drop before we can allow the Iraqi forces to take over?

On other occasions "winning" means turning Iraq into a successful democratic society. If this is the casus belli then tossing out the Maliki government and putting a new strongman in power might work, but would be at odds with our stated intention.

Then "winning" has something to do with defeating the terrorists. Of course this definition is plagued by its own issues. Who is a terrorist? Are the Sunnis who want us out terrorists? Is Muktada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army? Since many in the Iraqi insurgency has no other objective except to remove American forces from Iraq, they are not terrorists nor a threat to our country.

What all this suggests is that there really isn't a purpose to our occupation of Iraq. The definition of "victory" comes and goes on Washington's political winds.

Mr. BLANKley again, "we entered Iraq to protect our own national security interests. "

No we didn't. We entered Iraq as part of a "freedom agenda," declared President Bush. The only connection Iraq had to our national security was that it was producing and stockpiling weapons of mass destruction to either use against us or to provide to a terrorist group. This argument was exposed as fraudulent even before the war began -- although it took a little while for some people to catch on -- and no now there is no national security interest at stake in Iraq.

Tell me, Mr. BLANKley, is we continue to stay in Iraq what will we win? What is in Iraq for us to win?





lolo
Your right about Muslim culture, but GW thinks we are all the some. He is some sort of Jimmy Carter like pollianish fool. Well meaning but looks at the world through rose colored glasses. The Arabs are taking him to the cleaners and we are going along for the ride.

tony blankley
I think there is nothing left to salvage in iraq. We are fighting theree but are fighting the entire ME that wants no change to the status quo. As long as the mad mullahs and corrupt oil sheiks keep underwriting the terrorists from the blood cult there is no end in sight. We had hoped to give iraq the chance to form of government run by it's own people. The muslims framed our attempt as an attack on their religion of hatred, thus guaranteeing a never ending supply of brainwashed anxious to reach paradise but with the express desire to take americans with them. Our young soldiers are far too valuable to risk on trying to change this blood cult. leav ing would force iran and saudia arabia to deal with the killing machine they have unleashed. There is no point to our staying in the mioddle of a proxy war between iran and saudia arabia

Lolo, you're so wrong, repeatedly
Lolo wrote so many things that are factually wrong that I have to comment on them in detail:

"Technically speaking FDR did launch a pre-emptive war with Germany. Secondly, your polls are wrong. There was high support for the war in Iraq."

You are "technically" wrong on both counts. FDR engaged in some actions that Germany considered provocations, such as shipping aid to Britain, Germany's enemy. But under international law we had every right to do that. Germany's torpedoing of our naval destroyers on the high seas, in contrast, WAS an act of war yet FDR didn't use that as a casus belli.

As for support for the war in Iraq, I'm distinguishing TWO very different parts of that war--the 2003 invasion to topple Saddam and get all his WMD (which was popular), and this counter-insurgency (which is the unpopular one). The first war--getting the WMD--was over on December 2003, when David Kay told Congress that no more significant WMD was to be found in Iraq. Everything we've been doing since then has been this semi-colonialist democracy-building counter-insurgency war, and that's proven HIGHLY unpopular.

Lolo writes: "Nation building is usually inevitable, and history has shown it usually pays for itself in the end. Look at Japan and many Eastern Europeans countries."

Those wars were OVER and the enemy had formally SURRENDERED by the time the nation-building phase got underway in a time of peace. In contrast, in both Vietnam and in Iraq, the U.S. tried to do nation-building DURING the war. In fact, the nation-building was supposed to help win the war--somehow the insurgency would fade away once a stable democratic government could be put in place, or so Lyndon Johnson and Bush thought.

And they were wrong. And so are you.

Despite what Lyndon Johnson and Bush thought, nation-building doesn't win the war. It's the peaceful aftermath of a successful war. And until the insurgency is decisively crushed militarily, you don't bother trying nation-building or you will fail at both the nation-building and the warfighting. That is the lesson of history.

Lolo writes: "When premption becomes nuclear deterrance then it is necessary. Would you rather wait until a nuclear bomb goes off in this country to retaliate? What about five bombs simultaneously?"

This may surprise you, but that was the official policy of the United States since 1945. During the Cold War, the U.S. built a sufficient deterrent force so that if the USSR nuked us, we could ride out the attack and THEN retaliate. And yes, it was understood that even just a so-called "counterforce" attack by the USSR on our military bases while sparing our largest cities, would still kill about 10-20 million Americans because so many Americans live near those bases. (Think how many Americans live in Colorado Springs where NORAD headquarters is.) The U.S. did not make a pre-emptive attack on the USSR the centerpiece of our relations with them because that could be viewed by your enemy as a casus belli (you're getting ready to sneak attack) and hence is a provocation to THEM to start war. So we didn't do that, even though they had far more destructive weapons than Saddam or Iran or North Korea and hence pre-emption to take out the USSR's missiles would save many more American lives compared to waiting to retaliate after a Soviet attack is underway.

Now I've heard the argument that Ahmedinijad is such a religious fanatic that he may not be deterred by our arsenal or Israel's arsenal. If so, then he's a special case--a truly religious fanatic, which Saddam was not. So your argument for pre-empting doesn't justify invading Iraq. In fact, as I will now show, once you adopt that policy it makes further invasions NECESSARY:

If you make pre-emption the centerpiece of U.S. policy from now on, you have just told potential enemies to develop nukes as fast as they can because that seems to be the only way to stop the U.S. from pre-empting. If I'm the President of Lower Slobbovia and President Bush doesn't like me, I'm going to develop nuclear missiles as my OWN deterrent so he can't invade my country and have me hanged like Saddam. Well guess what, that's why North Korea is still keeping their nukes now. And that's why Iran is racing to get nukes now.

Get it? Pre-emption policy ACCELERATES an arms race, it doesn't end it.

It's a good thing people like you weren't in charge during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation today.

The Weekly Standard, right on cue
Two nights ago, GOP Senator Lugar announced on the floor of the Senate that he wants to see a change in our approach in Iraq.

Yesterday, Senator Voinevich joined him.

And today, right on cue, comes Fred Barnes of The Weekly Standard, to denounce Lugar and insist that we "stay the course." Along with a companion article by--General Petraeus himself. Kagan and Kristol and Barnes are going to hold America's feet to the Iraq fire as long as Bush is in office, apparently.

OK. In that case, President Hillary will have to change it when she becomes President in January 2009.

Losing in Iraq
" Most of Washington will conclude that therefore we need to figure a way to weasel out of Iraq. That is fine, if losing in Iraq doesn't matter much."

Mr Blankley,

Your statement presumes you, the writer, and we, the readers, have a common understanding to the meaning of the term "losing in Iraq" used in the above sentence.

Before you can determine whether the U.S. has won or lost, wouldn't it be helpful to first identify what the mission is in Iraq?

Currently, our commander in chief has declared the mission to be the establishment of an independent and democratic Iraq. I'll presume for a moment you agree. (Perhaps you disagree, in which case is our mission to "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here". If so, the commander in chief needs to state this, he hasn't declared this as the mission as yet, so I will presume that the "democracy project" is still the mission.)

After more than 4 years, 3,500 american lives, $880 Billion, can you show us please, ANY evidence that we are in anyway close to achieving the stated mission? I expect that you will be tempted to point to free elctions in Iraq as some of that evidence. But "free" elctions are hard to defend. The shia voted for whom their mullahs directed them. The people of Iraq VOTED for Sharia law to become part of their consitution. This is the great evidence of "progress" that our president points to regularly.

You exhibit a deep breadth of knowledge about Islam in your book ("The Wests last Chance), but I am astounded that you think liberal democracy in Iraq is compatible with Islamic Sharia law.

Failure in accomplishing the mission, as declared by our CIC, cannot be attributed to anything done , or not done, by the U.S. The people of Iraq, the sunni and shia, are more interested in settling hundreds of years of sectarian strife
than establishing a democratic country. They are more interested in Allah's law, than operate under manmade laws. I find your description of a withdrawal from Iraq as "weaseling out" very offensive.

For a writer who appears to be quite learned about the dangers of Islamification of the West, I am surprised of your inability to identify the root cuase of our failures, and that problem is summed in one word, "Islam". What Islam is and why it prevents success in Iraq should be quite evident to you. It should be quite evident to our president but it is not. He shows no indication that he has studied anything about jihadist ideaolgy, nothing about the life of mohammed, the "perfect man", muslims are to model themselves after. He knows nothing of the meaning of da'wa, jizya, and dhimmitude, and the origins of these terms and the meaning given to them by muslims over the past 1400 years.

Perhaps you can use your influence to eductae this man who controls the destiny of the west and teach him a thing or two about true Islamic jihadist idealogy. Teach him why dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood is a misguided plan and why publicly decrying that Islam is a religion of peace like he did days ago at that mosque in Wash, D.C., is not a very intelligent thing to do.

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