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Wednesday, September 27, 2006
Tony Blankley :: Townhall.com Columnist
A battle lost in the war on terror
by Tony Blankley
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With little reporting, and almost without media or governmental comment, the United States has suffered a substantial defeat in the war against radical Islam. Three weeks ago, Pakistan signed the terms of the Waziristan Accord with the northern region of its country called North Waziristan. It was, effectively, the terms of surrender by Pakistan to the Taliban and al Qaeda, which dominate North Waziristan. Pakistan has negotiated a separate peace -- the eternal danger to any wartime alliance.

With the exception of a superb article in the Weekly Standard by Daveed Gartenstein-Ross and the redoubtable Bill Roggio and a few blogs, such as Flopping Aces, The Fourth Rail and The Belmont Club (apologies to some other blogs I surely have missed) there has been little comment. This column is based largely on the reporting from those sources.

The event itself was reported by the major newspapers, but the abject nature of the surrender passed with almost no comment. But surrender it was.

According to intelligence sources cited by The Fourth Rail and other sources above, the Accord includes: (1) Pakistan to abandon its garrisons in Waziristan, (2) Pakistan military to not operate in or monitor actions in the region, (3) Pakistan to turn over weapons to Waziris, (4) Taliban and al Qaeda to set up a Mujahideen council to administer the region, (5) region to be called "The Islamic Emirate of Waziristan, (6) unknown but substantial amount of money paid by Pakistan to the Taliban, (7) al Qaeda and other jihadis to be allowed to stay in region, (8) 2,500 foreign fighters linked to al Qaeda and Taliban released by Pakistan from their prisons (this fact also confirmed by London's Daily Telegraph), and (9) Taliban to refrain from violence in Pakistan only; the agreement does not stipulate refraining from violence in Afghanistan.

Moreover, according to intelligence sources, Pakistan is negotiating similar terms with agencies in the Khyber, Tank, Dera Ismail Kahn and Bajaur regions of western Pakistan. If those negotiations are realized, the Taliban and al Qaeda will essentially have their own country again. With Waziristan they already have an excellent base of operations against our forces in Afghanistan.

According to an intelligence source cited in the Weekly Standard, the gains we have made in that part of the world in the past five years were "reversed in mere weeks with the loss of Waziristan and the release of 2,500 fighters."

But this is not really Pakistan's fault. They have probably suffered over 3,000 fatalities to their troops in their attempt to subdue the region. And the British, during their centuries-long rule of the subcontinent, never subdued the region -- sending unsuccessful punitive raids by their superb British Indian Army into Waziristan for almost a hundred years (right up to 1945).

Nor can one blame President Pervez Musharraf, whose intelligence service is still partial to the Taliban (which it helped create), who has suffered two credible assassination attempts, and whose country has a violent and growing radical population.

I don't have any basis for this, but I can't help wondering whether Musharraf is planning to retire. His announcement at a joint press conference with President Bush of a book deal with Simon and Schuster and its serialization in Time magazine was beyond weird.

Not only is it rare for a sitting national leader (particularly in mid-crisis) to publish his memoirs, but what he says in them is in conflict with his fiercely held public position regarding the War on Terror. Last year, I was personally and forcefully instructed by a senior Pakistani official that Pakistan is not helping us with our war on terror, they are voluntarily fighting their own war on terror.

And yet, Musharraf reports in his book that he was threatened with U.S. bombing if he didn't become our ally -- and he agreed to it only after calculating the consequences of crossing us.

Whatever is going on in Pakistan (and we must hope that the men who replace Musharraf sooner or later will not be more sympathetic to the Taliban and al Qaeda, and will be at least as careful in controlling their nuclear weapons), our effort to stand up Afghanistan and suppress the Taliban and al Qaeda in the region has suddenly taken on an even more formidable dimension.

There are no ready solutions to the dilemma. With Pakistan now hors de combat, our already undermanned forces in Afghanistan will soon have to engage the tribal regions of northwest Pakistan -- fighting some of the world's most resourceful and cruel fighters in the most unforgiving lands on earth.

We ask a lot -- and we get even more -- from our brave and smart young warriors. But from Iraq to the Horn of Africa to Afghanistan and now to northern Pakistan, there is a limit to what our current number of active forces can possibly accomplish. And the list of danger spots will only grow in the coming years. Whether we like the fact or not, the ranks and lands (and confidence) of the enemy are growing. And they can't be sweet talked out of taking the fight to America.

We must come to terms with reality -- and soon. We are going to have to substantially increase the size of our army and Marines to face the growing threats to our national security.

The president and his advisors are entitled to spend some time privately absorbing the implications of this reversal in Pakistan. But certainly no later than the State of the Union Address, he must explain how this changes things and what he is going to do about it.

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Separate Peace
is indeed bad for an alliance leader during a war, but in a separate peace, in which territory is conceded, it is perfectly legitimate for the remaining allies to sieze the conceded territory if that territory was given away by the alliance member that made the separate peace.

We need to invade and conquer "waziristan". Our war was never with Afghanistan - it was with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Hence, our war is now with Waziristan.

Osama, the War on Terror, and the Draft
I don't think the war on terror is or should be about killing Osama, but making him irrelevant by destroying his ability to wage war on us.

The question is, how short sighted are we Americans that we won't act upon the increasing threat of (primarily Islamic) extremism? If we don't act, we'll pay the price later when the fanatics bring the war to us again. But we seem to be more interested in domestic issues.

Basically, our leaders have not truly put us on a war footing....and we therefore ignore sinister developments such as Blankley is describing. By "war footing", I mean that most Americans aren't feeling any direct impact from the war on terror other than the, somewhat ridiculous, inconveniences at the airport. If we truly consider ourselves at war, we need to make sure the public feels the impact; dedicate more resources to fighting it; and win the hearts and minds of the both the American public (praimary) and the non-extremist citizens of the world (secondary).

If that means we need more troops and we can't get enough volunteers to meet those requirements, maybe we should consider reinstating the Draft. But, before that can be done, our leaders need to put us on a war footing; win the American public's heart and mind to support the war effort; and get serious about winning.

Winning the American public's hearts and minds is perhaps the key to this. We have to start doing socially unacceptable things like profiling airplane passengers; using "disproportionate force" when provoked; and stop the hand-wringing over violating a "terrorist's" rights. We also need to encourage the moderate citizens of the world that they'd be better off supporting us and fighting the extremism in their midst than to quietly accept it and/or support it.

Blankley's column and preceeding comment
Right on!

Hmm, Jerubaal has a point
Waziristan is effectively its own little country. I have no problem with Spec Ops and Predators starting punative forays into the area and showing them that there is no safe place.

Islam is a Terrorist Organization
Tony

Everything from here on out must be based on the fundamental fact that all of Islam is a "Terrorist Organization".

Nuclear Islam will be in Pakistan first.

The path of compromise
Musharraf is a microcosm of the dilemma of dealing with evil.

1. Fight and die. (Charge of the light brigade)
2. Stand and die. (Alamo)
3. Stand and fight. (Pearl Harbor)
4. Cut and run. (Bay of Pigs)
5. Fight and quit (Viet Nam)
6. Fight and stall. (WWI before 1918)
7. Fight and win. (WWII)
8. Slap the hand. (Panama, Grenada)
9. Conquer and rebuild. (Japan, Germany)
10. Deal and delay. (Soviet Union)
11. Deal and deny. (Munich)
12. Get some money and run. (Every third world leader)
13. Demand and be ignored. (US at the UN, any issue)
14. Demand and be lied to. (US at the UN, any issue)
15. Cede and hope. (The British empire)

I feel that the United States has not taken advantage of the utility and cost effectiveness of #8.

Waziristan, an option
In the context of the convoluted politics of the area consider an alternative analysis.

If the Pak President has essentially "given way" to the indeginous forces in Pakistan has he not also created a platform whereby the U.S. can more agressively focus on the area, without putting the Pak President in political jeopardy.

President Bush's recent "slip of the tongue" regarding sending U.S. troops into Pak territory combined with the news reported in Mr. Blankley's article may well be the "set up" for more agressive U.S. action in Waziristan.


Only when the war comes to Mainstreet
Yes, I realize many brave Americans(the best America has to offer)have sacrified their lives and limbs in Afghanistan and Iraq. But what sacrifices has the man on mainstreet been asked to make? It is business as usual there. If this is a war for our very survival, as some maintain, then isn't that a bit incongruous...a volunteer force making sacrifices as the rest of us plan vacations, buy second homes, new cars...as if it is all business as usual? In WW2, there was rationing of gasoline and rubber, "Rosie the Riveter" became a fixture in our factories, making munitions for our troops overseas. It was an intense time. Contrast that to what our president remarked on the sacrifice everyday Americans make in the war on terror..."they already sacrifice enough...by paying higher taxes". Excuse me! Some sacrifice. I am not against President Bush. I think on the terror issue, he is much superior to his predecessor. Nor am I saying we should all volunteer to be sent to Afghanistan or Iraq, but there is something unsettling about how, if our very survival is at stake, so little seems to be demanded from the man or woman on mainstreet America. Perhaps that is good...but I don't see how.

WHO SAID BURN JAKE AT THE STAKE?!!!
Great post Jake. However, watch your back my friend. You mentioned the "D" word, and infered the "P" word.

You should know that one use, and one use only, of the word "Draft" is acceptible in this country today. That is with Budwiser, or Miller prefacing it.

You also infer that we live in a nation where abundance of "Patriotism" makes us ready, and willing to pay a much increased price for freedom

Would that both were ongoing realities. Sadly, I don't see us as Americans getting on a "War footing" until radical Islam takes up down at the knees. Then, how do we stand and fight?

Army Still Not Confiured Correctly
If one considers our 150,000 soldiers stationed in Central Europe, another 30,000 in Korea, as well as 60,000 stationed in Texas (mainly heavy armoured), one can certainly understand why the Army is "short handed". In places like the Hindu Kush, The Horn of Africa, and the middle east, you don't send in an armoured divsion. Despite our largest threats eminating from desolate Islamic nations, our Army is still organized around the 20th century armoured division. They may as well be organized around the horse calvary division (which many were until the late 20s).

The thousands of high level staff officers and thier civilian cohorts in the Pentagon just won't give up on thier multi billion dollar toys. As late as 2002, the army was demanding the expensive, but worthless Crusader artillery piece. The Army is the only service that refuses to modernize its organization and tactics. It is reminiscent of the Prussian Army in the late 18th century. It wasn't until the Prussians were routed by Napolean at Jena did they embark on reforms.

The Army continues to demand more men and money despite the fact that they have a large pool (an entire Mechanized Corps in V Corps) sitting idle. They have done little to expand or add onto thier Special Ops organization (retired CENTCOM CC General Franks ignored them in his planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.). The Joint Special Ops Command executed the only successfull large scale operation in the War On Terror. With less than 1000 servicemen, spec ops operators dealt the Taliban an AQ a near fatal blow in just 6 weeks of fighting. Tora Bora was largley fought with conventional soldiers and tactics.

We will not fight nor win in places like Wazistan with conventional soldiers and tanks. Boots on the ground mean nothing in places like that. Unconventional tactics and equipment will. However, with so many thousands of officers careers tied to conventional army units, there is a lot of push back. The nearly 3000 deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq have been mainly conventional soldiers fighting against guerillias in an unconventional war.

The Army doesn't have near enough Rangers, Green Berets, Delta Operators to operate worldwide. Unlike the Marines who are establishing a Spec Ops command (every fleet force will now have a large spec ops component), the Air Force (it is doing the same- its fixed wing assets are now training to support spec ops units), the Army still clings to its old ways. However, the majority of the fighting still will fall to the Army. Only the Army has the numbers, logistics, and the money to conduct large scale operations on a global scale. It is time to scale back the heavy divisions- esp in Europe.

The war in Iraq will be won or lost not in the streets of Ramadi or Mosul, but in the small workshops and compounds in Syria and Iran where the IEDs are manufactured, the terrorists are train and are housed. The learge Sunni and Shia terror cells in Iraq are funded, equiped, and supported directly by nation states. Invasion of Syria and Iran is out of the question. We cannot send the 3rd ID in to save the day; but, we can send in small lethal teams of rangers, and Delta operators to hunt and destroy those who equip terror operations. Green Beret operators can meet up with Islamic dissident groups and train and equip them for the same kind of terror ops the Syrian and Iranians support in Iraq. Seals can all kinds of damage to Iranian fuel depots, navy yards, and listening post in the Gulf. Ultimtaley, spec ops hunt groups can slowly begin to take out the nuclear infrastructure in Iran, target foregin scientists and engineers who train Iranian technicians, etc... Our spec ops men can also operate in Leabanon.


They way our military is configured, the one our brass looks at warfare (including the President), we cannot win this war. Just ask the IDF how successfull they were fighting Hezbollah last summer. Yes, spec ops training is very expensive, and does drain the best manpower from conventional units like the 82, and 101st. And, yes, we still need to maintain some heavy divisions such as the 4ID. However, we can retire about half of our heavy divisions, retire V Corps, and recoup the savings into the Special Forces Command. It's time to think outside the box.

A BATTLE LOST...
Good column, but the reason it is bringing this news now is very old news: the same un-Americans, a-la-Jimmy Carter, who have been cutting and attriting the military for decades, have got what they want. All the races except the white in America who can vote, legally or not, have been bought off with Democrat bribery, from Johnson onward, and this is the beginning of a very slow death of freedom for many millions across the globe.
Islam will send its fiercest envoys out to murder and enslave all the world, and the so-called peaceful moslems will cower in the darkest corners of their mosques, until the booty of conquest is brought out to be shared. they will get only a pittance, but they will be rewarded with their lives as long as they have not interfered with what the REAL MUSLIMS, the jihadis, have accomplished.
All this, compliments of America's Socialits--the commies with no cojones-- your Clintonian democrat party.

The Musharraf "Retreat"
May I be permitted to revisit the following hackneyed observations? 1. the United States cannot police the world. We cannot with any number of forces ferret out every possible terrorist group plotting to harm us. We cannot do this for many reasons that would necessitate the transformation of our vaunted republican form of government into something unacceptably pervasive both at home and abroad. (We may have approached the limit of encroachment upon personal liberty at home already). 2. Containment, rather than annihilation, is a policy that we have pursued with success against an enemy much more powerful than any terrorist group. 3. Persecution of religious movements has historically had the effect of increasing both the size and influence of those movements. And like it or not, we are perceived by many as at war with Islam, even though this is not the truth. 4. Problems within a culture are best resolved within that culture. Blaming the West for the ills of Muslim society is a convenient cop-out not possible if terrorists are allowed a piece of geography to govern for themselves. Musharraf's approach may not be as dumb as it looks at first glance.

Gregdn
Celtic Dragon:
"I have no problem with Spec Ops and Predators starting punative forays into the area and showing them that there is no safe place."

Did you miss the part in the article where Blankley pointed out that the British were unable to subdue that area after trying for over 100 years?

without restraint
If the Taliban and AQ have indeed been granted a new sovereign territory carved out of northwestern Pakistan, then identify targets therein and bomb them without mercy. And when they gather to bury the dead who are not already sealed forever in their caves, annihilate those as well. Leave no survivors.

What? Afraid of making them hate us? They were born hating us. They will die hating us. Our job is to hasten the latter.

Also, several contributors have used the phrase "put us on a war footing" or some variant rather glibly and without elaboration. Just what exactly do you expect the civilians to be doing during all this? Aside from having the defeatists get out of the way, what would you command?

the British disadvantage
Gregdn, during their century in the region the British lacked satellite reconnaissance and the air power to deepen the targets' stone-age predicament. Pakistan's disadvantage since then has been their volatile "street" which has always been in sympathy with the rebels. With Pakistan out of the war, the latter is no longer our concern.

On the bright side...
...we now have precice coordinates for where to send our B2s in with "the bomb".

GregGN
I am well aware of previous failure to conquer and control that part of the world (The British sent an entire army over the Khyber Pass and got back ONE (1) man...)
That is why I suggested small units and armed drones. Scare 'em to death, kill 'em at night, that kind of thing.

Once again, the underlying question
How badly do we want to survive? One of our nuclear subs can launch enough missiles to obliterate Syria and Iran [and while we're at it, why not Saudia Arabia?]. Colin Powell has given us a clue: what does the world think of us in our foreign interventionism? Yes, world opinion is against us [what a great time to clean house and stop all foreign aide to these people]. The Mullahs know that we will not unleash nuclear h**l because of "World Opinion." So, how badly do we want to survive? Enough to nuke the really bad threats to our security? Enough to bite the bullet and realize that these Nazi Islamists would bring on the world a dark nightmare of unfathomable evil? Or do we bite the bullet and put 300 million Americans up for slaughter because we have lost the will to survive? How far do we go?

Good info
This is news that we need to know, and would have gotten nowhere else. President Musharaff is in a tough position, I just hope he is able to make the right decisions to move Pakistan along the road to freedom, this 'seperate peace' notwithstanding.

JP
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!! There is absolutly NO NEED to retire any more of the Army's heavy divisions! If anything, the preponderance of urban combat in this day and age has shown us why we still need heavy cavalry and mechanized infantry. From Mogadishu to Fallujah, heavy armor has been a descisive factor in todays sprawling third world slums. Note how the Spec Ops sniper and extraction teams got pinned down by superior numbers and firepower in Mogadishu...and we had to ask the Pakistanis to send in their old M48 tanks to bail us out, fer cryin' out loud!!!
The Army is configured to fight a VARIETY of different foes in any possible terrain. The issue hasn't been the TYPE of force package sent to Iraq, the issue is lack of traing in counter-insurgency tactics (that has been addressed by Lt. General Wallace at TRADOC) and the overall lack of forces.( in 2003 and now...)
I have no idea as to the wisdom of trying to replace the M109A5 Paladin with the Crusader gun system, but the way that Rumsfeld abruptly cancelled it against the Army's advice, and then sidelined (and insulted, according to some) General Shinseki, General Shelton, USMC General Zinni and others...created a deep resevoir of ill will between the armed forces as a whole and the OSD. One civilian employee at the Pentagon described the Navy feelings in 2003 thusly: "If Rumsfeld said 'you need another aircraft carrier', the Navy was saying F*** YOU! We want wind power!"
Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz telling the Army how they need to fight and what they need to fight with is so preposterous and ill conceived that it beggers description. It would be like the management at an aviation maintenance facility telling ME what I did or did not need to do a major structural repair on a DC-10, and then tell me what tools I could have...without EVER having looked at the Structural Repair Manual (SRM) for the DC-10, or attended any class on sheet metal repair, or indeed, without ever having picked up a wrench or a rivet gun. Rumsfeld and his crew are MANAGERS! They ARE NOT experts on force composition, have not attended the Army War College and seem to have little understanding on how to actually plan for a war, much less the Phase IV post combat occupation. He should leave the fighting to the proffesionals and resume the usual duties of SecDef...advocating for the Armed Services and making sure that they have the tools they need!

Jerubaal
"We need to invade and conquer "waziristan". Our war was never with Afghanistan - it was with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Hence, our war is now with Waziristan."

If the Colonial British (then the best-armed army in Asia) couldn't conquer Waziristan in 100 years, and the Pakistanis couldn't conquer it in another 50, why do you think we would have any greater success? Our gov't insists on tying the DOD down with the State Department. You'll never win at that rate.

Pull back and nail them when they leave the nest. Better that then sending our bravest and best to another Verdun. Oh, wait, I'm being a defeatist, aren't I? See previous paragraph. I'm being a realist.

The only way you'll pacify Waziristan is by extermination. If no one could do it in 150 years, we won't do it in 10, or even 25, short of an all-out war or nuclear assault.

Cockroaches all of them
If there's something we've learned by now it's that short of Nuking the cockroaches to their 72 virgins, we will be fighting them forever. They won't give up. So if they're asking for it, "lets roll" them down already.

Seriously, I don't think we have a choice, and now with Musharraf out of the way, and al Qaeda focused in one place it's the time.

The above poster has good suggestions in getting them w/Spec Ops at night, but like cockroaches more and more will appear. Maybe they will continue to kill each other and save us the trouble. But until they Nuke our cities the Dems and the Socialist traitors on the left won't allow us to win this war.

Our leaders and the military
I see a lot of chicken hawk comments and accusations from people like Lydia and tanabare. Which I do believe are absurd. but I would like to address the matter of socio-economic status of currently serving military personnel. They do seem to disproportionately come from the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder. Be that from the inner city or from small town farming communities. Then there is also the matter of resistance to the ROTC in a lot of our institutes of higher learning. Places like Harvard and Yale claim to be educating tomorrows leaders and, indeed, some of the grads of such places seem to think they have been anointed to lead. Yet none of these places seem to instill any sense of noblisse oblige into any of their graduates. Unless it's to do pro bono work to free convicted killers.

My challenge to today's leaders and those who may wish to be one in the future: Prove it! Prove that you are willing to fight and perhaps die for the ideals of this country. Why should any of us vote for someone who professes to love this country and wants to be a leader of this country when they are not even willing to defend this country.

Heck! I'm even willing to give props to the junior senator from Mass, Lurch. At least he felt he had an obligation. Even tho I'm pretty sure it was a political calculation on his part.

Workin4wages
I guess I don't disagree with everything you said, but at least most of it. Every army since the dawn of time has needed foot soldiers to win any sort of conflict. Ground troops on the front lines are where the lowest ranking members of an armed force fight. This does not mean they are any less brave but that they are in fact more brave than most. From sgts. to generals, militaries need leaders and not everyone shares the same duty. Some men are better leaders and thus more "important". That may sound insensitive, but it is a truth that no one can debate. Do not misunderstand me: Every soldier is heroically brave and vital.

Just because many in the lower rungs of the armed forces come from poorer backgrounds does not mean we are racist or unfair as a country. Brave men like Pat Tillman are not the norm, but they do exist. Of course we need more rich kids to volunteer, but we would still need the poor kids too. It is not about wealth when it comes to defending one's country. Leaders in Washington can be ridiculous and moronic, but we do need them to make decisions for us. Our way of life is dependent on our army to protect us and for military and civilian leaders to make the right decisions. No one forces soldiers to sign up, and that is what makes them great. Don't play the "poor" or "race" card and thus demean how brave and great our fighting men and women are. Just like America needed the people back home (mainly women) to support them and work hard to win WWII, we should be doing our part to support those guys and encourage the next generation of potential soldiers to seriously consider serving their country.

You were right that much of the blame falls on universities and professors and the like. When you are in college and your professor is a "brilliant" man who spews liberal talking points on the evilness of war, why would you want to run out and join the Navy? We need to drown out the dissenting voices with a solidarity of a nation that loves and cherishes it freedom and has not, and will not, forget the sacrifices made before our time.

P.S.
Should we send doctors and Bill Gates over to the front-lines to make it completely fair? The world needs ditches too. I am a lower-middle class man of independent means and refuse to let myself be jealous of the rich or resent what God has blessed them with. Life's not fair. You are right that more should be willing to help, but not that they should be forced (unless we do need a draft). Let me know what you think.

Mr. Ecko
I don't disagree with you either. And I wasn't trying to play the 'poor' or 'race' card. I WAS trying to point up the fact that the higher up the socio-economic ladder one is the less likely it is that you will volunteer for military service. Yet it is also true that the higher up the socio-economic one is the more likely it is that you will run for public office.

Take England for example, the royal males are expected to serve in the armed forces. Tho I don't think there is a law requiring them to do so. What they DO have is a sense of noblisse oblige instilled in them during their upbringing. Here in America we have our own class of Brahmins; the Gates, the Kennedys, the Pelosis, the Stevens, etc, who lack that sense of duty. Do you think that any of them will be encouraging their sons towards military service out of a sense of obligation to the country that gave them so much? Whereas it is the LOWER rungs of the socio-economic ladder in this country that DO possess that sense of duty.

I find that strangely backwards, don't you?

It's going to be a long one
This just highlights that the war between the West and Radical Islam is not going to be a short one, and that things will probably get much worse, before there is any chance that they will get better.

As a society, we may no longer have the attention span or the will to hang in for the long haul.

Lydia doing drugs this early in the day?
you need a Pshrink.


publishing fantasies like that will undermine your (non-existant) credibility.

Waziristan
Waziristan may present more opportunities than problems. A new non-aligned country with a concentration of fundamentalist Muslims terrorists might offer some very tempting air targets.

I am more concerned about the Brits after Tony Blair, Pakistan after Musharraf, and the future of the Saudi monarchy.

I am most concerned that the West seems not to realize that Fundamental Islam is on the verge of becoming a juggernaut bent on world domination.

What?!
"But until they Nuke our cities the Dems and the Socialist traitors on the left won't allow us to win this war."

Umm, excuse me. The Department State works for the President, not the Congress. And I repeat, as long as you fight a war with political considerations, as happened in 'Nam and is happening now in Iraq, you will not win.

Cut State out of it and we might have a chance.

BTW, thanks for separating the Democrats from the Socialists.

No doubt the Democrats are enjoying this
since it is an extension of their long subversive fight against American "aggression".
We are going to appease our entire nation into a premature grave, but the democrats are helping dig those graves, purchasing the shovels, and planning for the wake.


No ianfleming, Democrats do NOT enjoy it
As a democrat I can say no one enjoys this. What we are against is not American "aggression" but stupid American foreign policies that benefit our enemies rather than us and our friends.

As the flap over the "finding" by this administration's own intelligence community has made public, its policies are creating more enemies than we are destroying. And at great cost in American blood and money.

Democrats like Biden and thoughful Republicans have been trying to fix the failed strategy of this administration for years. But Bush and Rumsfeld interpret all disagreement over strategy as disloyalty. It is not patriotism to ignore all the evidence and continue down the failed path we have been on since we won the battle for Baghdad and lost the war. Its just stuborn stupidity.

What ever happened to the
Neutron Bomb? This was the Most Evil Weapon discussed and outlawed in the 60's or maybe the early 70's. Nuclear in nature it killed with some sort of pulse of radiation. The appeal was it didn't touch infrastructure, just biologics, like people.

Wipe out a city without so much as a dust cloud and you could take over the city hall as soon as you cleared up the dead. I have often wished for the "flash of light" while watching hordes of chanting agitators marching down some street, waving their fists, asking Allah to strike the evil USA.

Seems like the perfect weapon to use on the rocks and rockheads in the new territory. Just some sort of loud noise (I assume) and perhaps radiation wave of some sort and Poof! No more Satellite Calls from Osama. If this place is so remote even the Treason Rag of Record, the New York Times wouldn't hear about it for months.

I LIKE isolating the creeps in one place, outside the protection-by-association relationship they used to have with Pakistan. They may have done us a Great Favor here.

Pakistan's Frankenstein
I find it rather ironic that the Pakistanis can no longer control their own creation.
I don't agree that this is a 'loss' in the war against Islamic fanaticism. That area has always been ruled by drug lords and tribal cheiftains. It was 'PINO'--Pakistan In Name Only.
Now that is no longer considered a part of Pakistan we can lay waste to that region at a moments notice since we would not be waging war against Pakistan proper--our supposed "ally". The Islamofacists there now know this. They may be crazed fanatics but they are not stupid crazed fanatics.
In the larger picture the most important thing is to be sure that none of these Islamic fanatics aquire WMD's. We could have 25 million men in our military and the enemy would still be able to launch small scale attacks using IED's and the like against soft targets.
What we should be spending a lot of money and effort on is subversion and infiltration of the areas that are over run with religious fanaticism. You won't ever be able to "bomb them back to the stone age" when they are alreay there.



slacker--the dem kool-aid drinker
"As a democrat I can say no one enjoys this"
Baloney--you dems want another attack against America-You are all trying your best to assure that this happens.
Your party had plenty of chances to do something and did nothing--so shut your pie holes. Empty rheroric didn't work then and it won't work now.
You are either helping or you are hurting. It's as plain as that.


Another viewpoint.......
Mr. Blakeley is right that this development represents an extreme danger and a "loss" for the War on Terror, however, if I read the article right and got the facts striaght, the region will be essentially populated by the Taliban and Al Qaeda and perhaps the family members of such, away from the general populace of Pakinsatn.

This might have been a brilliant move by the Pakistani President. perhaps he is waiting for them to move completely into this region and set up their own state completely apart and independant fro Pakistan so that when they commit another terrorist attack, we can have carte blanche to bomb the region.

We can essentially engage in a "tradiional" war with a particular region/country etc.

We can then obliterate them.

Alan Davidson

When in Rome
At the end of the Roman Empire the Romans were being besiged by Mongol hordes and Germanic tribes that viewed Rome as an evil cespool of greed, lust, debauchery, and self pleasure that was poisoning the world. Interestingly our current situation seems similar. We have better technology just like the Romans had better technology. We have greater commerce, military, and cultural impact just like the Romans - but the Romans fell to the hordes, Rome was sacked and burned, and the world entered the Dark Ages.
I believe the solution to our current battle against terrorism is more complex than mobilizing our military, killing, and suppressing the enemy. The enemy has valid claims - we have become morally bankrupt, greedy, lustful, ever pursuing self pleasure, and spreading it across the world. The enemy is wrong in attacking innocents because it removes any possiblity of negotiations and conflict resolution. Additionally, their intolerance of any other belief than their own is also wrong. But this does not mean we have to ignore the truth in their complaints about us.
The solution is not easy, simple, fast, or welcome. What is the solution - I don't know. I'm not even sure what the questions are yet - but I do know that our current course of action is not the solution but our treatment of a symptom. Personally, I have days where I just think we should drop multiple bombs on the whole region and be done with it - but that would just prove how evil we truly are.

..prove how evil we truly are.
Lemon headed Zephyr, your are the epitome of the "Hate America First" crowd.

You and OBL would get along just swell..Geeze.

You REALLY don't have a clue, just like your fellow Dems/Commies/Socialists on the left, doing everything to undermine this country while we fight these Islamofascists who started this war.

Our mere existence is their reason for atttacking. Convert to Islam or DIE, so says their Koran. I'm sick and tired of these appeasers and pacifists, you all are gonna get us killed.

nashville
I don't know much about it but I doubt the accuracy of some of what the article says, for example: "(4) Taliban and al Qaeda to set up a Mujahideen council to administer the region?" Can anyone confirm this is in fact true? If Pakistan once was a partner with the US even if only to avert an invasion, do they now welcome one? As I understand it, anyone who harbors terrorists is 'against us.' Much of the media reporting on this has been the left reporting that low level AQ is allowed to go to WZ, while the right reports 'even Bin Laden himself would be allowed.' So what's the real story? I wish Afghanistan wasn't such a political tetherball (thanks to John Kerry).

Spicing up of Waziristan Accord.

This is the way of East that people are found ready to die for their honour.They live by their words and feel comfortable to work at close net among friends. Since early 80s Pakistan considering US her elder brother, and taking this as a matter of honour for them, decided to work together on global issues. Pakistani are great people. US cannot have a better ally than Pakistan.
Pakistan was assigned the task to end the Soviet Union occupation and evict them from Afghanistan. Pakistan mobilized its entire country for the task, and chalked out a befitting doctrine to build up a unique task force, who can fight and lay their lives for the task. With a short period of time, Pakistan not only made it possible but also gave such a sever blow to Soviet Union, that World was not only able to see this super power retreating from Afghanistan, bleeding but also witnessed that before her once mighty armies were able to reach back Moscow, her mighty Empire had already collapsed on her feet.

Thus Pakistan made it possible, for US to become the lone super power of the world.

World history tells us that resilient and dedicated forces, found capable of defeating the invincible mighty powers may not be abandoned or betrayed. But US did indulge in such folly. US abandoned these forces and left them high and dry. Betrayal carries a price and one committing it, has to pay.


Pakistan had not yet demobilized these forces and rehabilitate and reintegrate them back into their social setup, that US again called upon Pakistan to come forward to relieve her of her self inflicted pains of 9/11. This time; to come up, to commit a suicide! To eliminate their own kith and kin; the very forces, that made US to become a super power.

One should not under estimate the resilience and pliability of Pakistan that she was again able to shore up their courage and magnanimity to become the front line nation to fight the new global war on terror; for last many years this is being done very successfully. It only takes a Pakistani courage to do this!

US need Pakistan to treat them respectfully and with grace. Every one needs space to breath but Pakistan is again being left to face a waves of discrimination in the world.Looks like the civility, fairness, truth and wisdom has left us for good and gone to Pleiades. A sense of acute arrogance prevails. We are even unable to utter, simple word of ‘thank you’ to our this staunch ally or to say ‘well done’ for the job they performed so extra ordinarily.

In Pakistan rehabilitation of these abandoned forces of old Afghan War, is on. It is a long process. There were 20 million Afghan refugees living in Pakistan requiring a huge task of settelment. The Waziristan peace accord under the circumstances is the best deal to settle and effectively keep the war on terror under control. US media is tending US government to jeopardise all this. US have the bad habit of failing in her all the tender spots miserably. So they should better leave it to the experts-Pakistan.

This is very sad to note that a person like Tony Blankley, in his this article has tried to twist the very text of the subject accord and spiced up to brand it a failure.

Sad, very sad.

The salient of the actual accord are as follow.

Details of the accord:

The accord consists of 16 clauses and 4 sub-clauses. The major points include:
• The Government agrees to stop air and ground attacks against militants in Waziristan.
• Militants are to cease cross-border movement into and out of Afghanistan.
• Foreigners (understood to mean foreign jihadists) in North Waziristan will have to leave Pakistan but "those who cannot leave will be allowed to live peacefully, respecting the law of the land and the agreement" (wording from Dawn newspaper article).
• Area check-points and border patrols will be manned by a tribal force. Pakistan Army forces will withdraw from control points.
• No parallel administration will be established in the area. The law of the Government shall remain en force.
• The Government agrees to follow local customs and traditions in resolving issues.
• Tribal leaders will ensure that no one attacks law enforcement personnel or damages state property.
• Tribesmen will not carry heavy weapons. Small arms are allowed.
• Militants will not enter agencies adjacent to this agency (the agency of North Waziristan).
• Both sides will return any captured weapons, vehicles, and communication devices.
• The Government will release captured militants and will not arrest them again.
• The Government will pay compensation for property damage and deaths of innocent civilians in the area.

For further details: Please link: http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/06/top2.htm
(Source: English daily-Dawn- Karachi Pakistan)
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