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Monday, March 19, 2007
Tom DeLay :: Townhall.com Columnist
The criminalization of politics
by Tom DeLay
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The following is an except from the new book by former Majority Leader Tom DeLay, No Retreat, No Surrender: One American's Fight.

It was Winston Churchill who once said, “In war a man dies only once, but in politics many times.” No one who enters public office is surprised by this anymore. Political leadership has always been tantamount to painting a target on your back, and this is even more the case in our media-driven, “inside story”-addicted generation. Only a fool would step on the public stage today without expecting every detail of his life to be exposed, debated, and criticized. This is simply the price of leadership in our time.

There is something else happening today, though, that must come to an end if this country is going to have serious leaders at its helm. Today it is not enough to defeat a man politically. It is not even enough to vilify him publicly. You have to carpet bomb his life. You have to make sure that he leaves office disgraced, bankrupt, and heading for jail. You have to ruin him in every way, and then dance on his grave. This is what the political left in this country has brought us, and this is why many of the best leaders in our land refuse to take public office. They are willing to be scarred in political battle, but they are not willing to subject themselves to total destruction.

I remember when Ray Donovan, Ronald Reagan’s secretary of labor, was acquitted of corruption charges in a court of law after a prolonged trial by media. Stepping to the microphone on the day of his victory, he said, “Where do I go to get my reputation back?” These were tragic words that warned of what a man might suffer for serving his country. Today, though, a man should count himself fortunate if all he loses is his reputation. He could easily lose everything he owns, the legacy he intended to leave to his children. He could lose his right to work in his chosen profession, and might very likely end up serving time in jail. This is what the criminalization of politics and the politics of personal destruction have left us.

I served in the United States Congress for twenty-two years. I was passionate, aggressive, and partisan. I believed in my cause, and I hit hard. It came as no surprise to me then when my political opponents hit back. To open my morning paper and see lies written about me, or see myself painted in the ugliest terms, became a regular part of my life. It was harder to read vicious distortions about my family and friends, but even this I accepted as the price we all paid for the life of leadership I had chosen to pursue.

What I did not expect was a concerted effort to destroy me legally, financially, and personally. I have now spent millions of dollars in lawyers’ fees to answer the lies of the left. I have taken hours away from doing the nation’s business to work through the laborious process of responding to legal charges that my liberal opponents knew were untrue and frivolous when they first filed them. I have watched my family suffer under the burden of not just my political misfortunes—an expected reality in a politician’s family—but of the threat of material destruction, imprisonment, and ruin. This should not be what happens to someone who has defended his political ideals, aggressively, yes, but honorably. A congressman serves his nation by serving his values with passion, and the nation only suffers when partisanship is punished with personal destruction.

I use this word “punished” because it is the best description of what is really happening. I did not serve in Congress for twenty-two years because I simply stumbled into the role or captured it in some illegal way. I was elected by people who thought I was the best representative of their values. Once elected I fought hard for conservative principles and, in time, my fellow conservatives and I won major victories. Remember, these were victories for the very principles we were sent to Congress to serve.

But the liberals could not win on the floor or at the ballot box, so they tried to win by hurting us personally. Like good communists, when they cannot defeat their enemies politically they seek to destroy them personally, and this is what they did to us. All of this is punishment for holding values different from theirs. All of this is the price they want to visit on us simply for being conservative.

I began paying this price shortly after the Republican revolution got underway, when it became clear to the Democrats that our success in 1994 with voters was no fluke. Democrat leadership became intent on driving me from politics. For the next decade I would endure constant harassment in the press, ethics charges, lawsuits, and, in short, a concerted effort to destroy me politically and personally. All of this was part of a coordinated effort led by Patrick Kennedy, then head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), who had determined that since he could not defeat me on the issues, he would try to defeat me with lawsuits and ethics charges. This is why, following two earlier sets of ethics charges, Kennedy filed a RICO suit against me.

Now RICO—Racketeering-Influenced Corrupt Organization—laws are about preventing criminal conspiracies. Kennedy’s DCCC sued me for conspiring to defeat Democrats. This sounds like a horrible joke, but it wasn’t. Being found guilty of a RICO suit can mean huge fines, and even jail time. I ended up spending over five hundred thousand dollars defending myself before the case was finally dropped. It was, without question, one of the most vicious lawsuits in American history. Yet it achieved its purpose. It allowed Kennedy’s allies in the liberal press to report that Tom DeLay was being charged with corruption. This was the intent all along: to smear me with false accusations before the watching public. And it was only the beginning of my troubles.

Within a few years, Nancy Pelosi became the House minority leader, and she took the lead in the Democrats’ smear campaign. Her arena of her dirty work was the House floor. It became routine for her to move a “privileged motion,” which is a motion a minority leader is permitted to offer, and which allows her then to speak on her motion before the House and the media. What follows is usually a vote either to table the motion or to act on it. Pelosi knew that none of her motions would be acted upon by a Republican-dominated House, but all she really wanted was the chance to make speeches attacking me and other Republicans before the members and, of course, the press. Many was the time she would move a privileged motion and make a speech filled with wild accusations, and I would later find liberal newspapers reporting only that Tom DeLay’s corruption had been the topic of House debate.

While Pelosi used her privileges as the House minority leader to smear me, other congressmen used their special order time to carry Pelosi’s lies to the American people. Remember that this special order time was mandated by a House rule that let any member take the floor after the House had finished its business and speak for an hour on any subject he chose. This is the tactic that Newt Gingrich used so effectively. The presence of the C-SPAN cameras even after the House had finished its business had allowed Newt to speak to the nation, and he wisely chose to teach the nation about the elements of a conservative worldview. In the case of the Democrats, men like Jim McDermott of Washington state used this special order time to attack me and other Republican leaders. This meant that before a national audience I was being held aloft as the author of the culture of corruption in the nation’s capital.

What emerged was the perfect storm of personal destruction. Between Pelosi and her puppets doing their worst on the floor of Congress, the liberal press echoing their lies, and a host of supposedly independent organizations like CREW (Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington), Common Cause, and Democracy 21, among others, filing suits and pressing ethics charges, I soon found myself in a sea of litigation and public misrepresentation.

Now laying aside for a moment that these tactics were unethical, un-American, and, in some cases, immoral, the hypocrisy of the assault against me is that some who questioned my ethics have had their own questioned by Repubicans. Rahm Emanuel, who followed Patrick Kennedy as head of the DCCC, not only made millions of dollars in an inexplicably short period of time, but is also accused of using public employees in his campaign. Nancy Pelosi took a trip to Puerto Rico that has come under suspicion because it was paid for by lobbyists. A federal court held that Jim McDermott was actually found guilty of a crime that violated a federal law by obstructing and giving the tape of an interpreted private conversation among members of the Republican leadership to the New York Times. The case is currently on appeal. Then there is William Jefferson, the congressman from Louisiana, who is being investigated for taking a bribe and was caught by the FBI with ninety thousand dollars in his freezer. Clearly the Democrats have some house cleaning to do, but they seem to prefer the tactics of personal destruction to living up to their own rhetoric about ethics.

The strength behind of all the efforts against me, of course, was the power of the big lie. I have thought long and hard about how to respond to the liberals’ barrage. Of course I must answer in court, because this is required by our legal system. That is, if I ever get to court: Clearly my opponents want to file lawsuits against me for the sake of smearing my name, but they never seem to be willing to take those suits into court, where they will have to prove their facts. Beyond legalities, though, I have tried to decide between rising above my opponents and refusing to validate their charges by even mentioning them or answering them directly and shaming them with the truth. I’ve decided the latter, but the reasons may come as a surprise. I am not doing this just to save my reputation. That will happen with time anyway, because the truth is on my side. Nor am I doing this because I have some driving need to answer each lie in detail.

No, I want to shame these lies with the truth because I believe this may help to expose the tactics that are keeping good people from public office and punishing those who serve well. I want to take the risk of repeating lies about me so I can demonstrate how these lies are designed to bludgeon me for simply having the wrong political views. Perhaps then I can help to end our current culture of political bloodletting before it permanently sullies our nation. We cannot continue to allow liberals to function like communists and destroy anyone who gets in their way.

Lie Number 1: “Tom DeLay took trips illegally paid for by corporations and lobbyists, which he rewarded with political favors.”

It does not bother me that people think I’m corrupt; that can be disproven when I get to court. What bothers me is that people think I’m stupid. Would I, the most investigated man in America, really be so foolish as to take an illegal, high-profile trip and give my enemies a weapon to hurt me with? No, I would not, nor have I ever accepted any illegal travel.

Let’s start at the beginning, though. I believe in the private sector. I love the free market, and I think that business is not an evil in our nation but one of the great engines of betterment for human beings. On the other hand, I believe that government ought to be small, and as light a burden as possible on the backs of the people. Therefore, when I travel, as a congressman must, I would prefer that private money fund the trip if possible, rather than the taxpayers.

Many politicians feel differently. They love traveling on the public dime and take CODEL—short for “Congressional Delegation”—trips by the dozens. I disagree. I would rather a private foundation fund my travel if at all possible, and so I’ve taken very few CODELs in my twenty-two years in Congress. In fact, I haven’t traveled very much at all. In one ten-year period while I was in Congress I only traveled out of the country twice.

The press and their liberal lords have worked hard to paint my travel as some sinister conspiracy. For them words like “corporate,” “lobbyist,” and “private” are vile. For example, in 2000 I took a trip to Scotland and England at the invitation of conservative politicians in those countries. They wanted to learn how we had won such a great victory in 1994, and how we had accomplished the Contract with America. It was a wonderful experience. We flew on a private plane and held miniseminars with our fellow conservatives overseas, and I had the privilege of meeting with Margaret Thatcher, one of my heroes. I also got to play a few rounds of golf, which I try to do as often as I can when I travel. On this trip I had the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play at St. Andrews, the legendary birthplace of golf and a mecca for all true players. The trip was paid for by the National Center for Public Policy Research and was completely aboveboard.

When I returned home, you would have thought I had joined Al Qaeda. The press talked about the trip like it was part of a conspiracy to overthrow the government, and the House Ethics Committee was asked to investigate. Of course, there was nothing unethical about it at all. I urged the Ethics Committee to address the charges, but they never did. Still, because Americans have been trained by the press to conclude that a congressman holding a cigar and a golf club while on a privately funded trip must be plotting evil, the aura of impropriety hovers over this trip and a number of others I have made.

And what about those political favors? Well, they didn’t exist. But let me take this whole issue a bit further. A congressman only accepts trips to study an industry or a cause if he is already somewhat committed in the first place. If I’m interested in helping the nursing home industry or airplane manufacturers or construction workers, I’ll travel to study their issues only because I already lean toward serving them in some way. So if I return to the floor of the House and vote for legislation that aids construction workers, this doesn’t mean I’ve done anything illegal or in any way contrary to the best interests of the nation. In fact, I’ve served the country by giving an informed vote.

One more thing: Because liberals and the press are influenced by socialism’s hatred of the private sector, they speak of business people and corporations like they are the evil empire. Not only is this a silly lie that defies history and reason, the vital truth is that a congressman is sworn to represent the people in private industry just as surely as he is public school teachers and policemen. Not only should we be thankful for what the private sector has accomplished in this country, we should start recognizing that those who work in that sector have a right to political representation also. A close look at their spending on political lobbying will reveal that they actually spend less than labor unions do to achieve their political goals.

So yes, I took a trip to Scotland. Yes, I played golf. Yes, it was privately funded. And yes, it was both legal and informative. If I had the opportunity, I would do it again.

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Tom DeLay is the former House Majority Leader, the second ranking leader in the United States House of Representatives, and co-author of No Retreat, No Surrender: One American's Fight.

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yep blame it on the liberals
when will conservatives start taking responsibilty for their own actions.

this guy was sanctioned by his own party and thrown out of a leadershop post by his own party.

oops, somehow those liberals must have infiltrated the republican house members.

what a crybaby.

he took out newt and now he wants everyone to feel sorry for him.

get a life delay

It's about time
It's about time someone started striking back at the liberal lunacy of criminalizing politics. For the sake of the previous poster, it is the liberals fault. Liberalism is corroding our society and every opportunity should be taken to shine a light on these liberal weasels. Someone needs to light a fire under George Bush and tell him it is no longer a virtue to remain silent in the face of all these left wing lies. The liberal press will never give conservatives an equal opportunity to get the truth out. It is the responsibility of every conservative leader to speak above the press directly to the American people. Reagan did it, there are others who can also. Bush's duck and cover strategy is disheartening to all conservative and it is not working anyway. Say it clear and often. The greatest danger to our nation is not al-qaeda, it's liberalism.

What's missing?
When I look at the tactics of the left, which now is becoming synonymous with the democrat party I see two things missing, logos and ethos. Where is the logic and where are the ethics of their methods?

It would be easy to dismiss Tom Delay's comments. It is natural to look at the words of the accused and to think that he is only saying what he is saying as a matter of self-defense. In many instances this would be true. However, I believe we have all seen the tactics that were employed against Mr. Delay. It was evident from the beginning that the Texas DA was politically motivated. I sympathize with Mr. Delay and I regard it as a shame that he no longer occupies his seat in the Congress. Worse I see nothing being done to prevent these methods from destroying others.

Our representatives deserve the same rights of defense as those accused of other crimes. I would gladly have the government pay for the defense of Mr. Delay as well as Representative Jefferson to prevent just such methods as Mr. Delay has described. Further, if found innocent I believe it would be entirely in order for the payment of all attorney fees and court costs to come from those who have accused him, not from the federal taxpayer and not from the State of Texas.

The Left is...
Not Entirely to Blame.

The (R)s have some smearing as well, it is just that the (D)s are better at it.

Vote Them All Out in '08 !

Good for Tom DeLay
It is wonderful to see a good man like Tom DeLay stand up and tell the world what happened to him. These days,seeing Nancy Pelosi and the other Democrats acting like silly children trying to run Congress, it is easy to see from DeLay's explanations here how vile were the accusations against him. Surely the American people can see how foolish they look. Yet, people like Religiouslib turn truth into lies in defense of these criminals. The Democrats are showing their true colors now for the American people to see and there is no question that they will not only lose the '08 Presidential election but Congress as well.

Just the "Tip" of the iceberg
The politics of personal destruction started after Regan won his second term. Then speaker Tip O'Niel (another Mass idiot) started on about Regan and conservatives being Nazis. It hans't stopped since. The Clinton's were/are masters at it all the while claiming victim staus. The big question is who was holding Patrick Kennedy's leash? He couldn't drive a car across a bridge on his own.

But this is the way they have operated in Massachusetts for ever. That is why we are losing population, good corporate jobs are leaving in droves, corruption is endemic in our state government and the state and local employee unions work as a paid arm of the Demoncrat party.

Oh, and the Big Dig was just a public works program in disguise. There are claims by politicians to investigate how a $2b project can cost $16b to complete. But they will never investigate the union payoffs in Massachusetts. They might alienate their get-out-the-vote machine. So what if we are losing population. We can let in more illegals. It works for Massachusetts.

Wrong Approach IMHO
I believe the far left is ruining this country. Just like too far on the right can do. And they hide behind "dissent". After all, "dissent" isn't treason, is it? Or is it? But the conservatives are actually letting them do it.

I don't understand why Mr. Delay and other Republicans keep their mouth shut so often when and if charges are false. It's the left that the country gets to listen to, because they're doing all of the talking. The truth may eventually set you free, but only those who care to study the matter long-term get to actually hear it. And if one trys to share it later with nut cases like the first "opinionist" above, either they cannot think in complex terms and actually understand it, or they choose not to. Kinda like the "I said it first so it's true" syndrome.

Remember, the great conservative battles were won with the truth. And it swayed the vast middle of the road "undecided" voter. I'm afraid they are listening to the treasonists way too much.

Where
can I buy this book?

Tom DeLay's Op-ed
Right on, Mister DeLay!!! You fought for what you believed in. The trouble with many of our Republican members of Congress is that they are scared of the media and what the media is going to say about them. I saw you in action both as a reporter and a congressional staffer you lived up to a maxim that said, "a man has to do what he has to do regardless of the circumstances." Keep on fighting Mister DeLay, don't ever give in to these Democrats and the press. As we have seen over the years, when Republicans try to make nice-nice with the liberals, the liberals turn around and ram Republicans into the ground.

Yes, some of the (R)
jumped on Delay also. In addition some of the (R)s voted for the non-binding Iraq cr*p. That has been the major problem with the Republican Party for a long time. We have Democraps with an (R) after their name, otherwise called RINOs. We have NeoCons who are liberal Republicans who support an active foreign policy. What we don't have is a Republican Party with the majority of the party being conservative.

Yes, Tom Delay was hounded out of office due to a rule change that the Republicans put in place (you can not be SOTH while under indictment). The indictment in this case is a bad joke and shows more evidence of prosecutorial misconduct than anything else. The standard across the country is one shot at a true bill in a Grand Jury. The DA took 5 shots to get the indictment in a heavily (D) populated county!

When Delay is found innocent, he should sue H. Earl for misconduct and start a movement in Texas that would prohibit DAs from endless rounds of GJ shopping. Hopefully that would be copied by other States.

A message to Tom Delay
Tom,
As a fellow Texan, I watched your career with growing dismay as YOU criminalized politics. You should have expected those you harmed to fight back with all the tools available to them. Yelling about it now serves no purpose but to bring attention to your awful conduct in office.
Hundreds of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle have served with honor during your lifetime while being passionate, aggressive, and partisan. You will never rank with them. I could offer many examples of Congressmen who served with honor but one example from my side of the aisle comes to mind, that was Congressman J.J. "Jake" Pickle from the REAL District 10 that you worked to destroy. Several times during the 1970s, Jake invited me to fly with him to D.C. (commercial coach) and be his guest at the weekly Democratic luncheon. (I paid for my own trip). On one of these trips, Jake had just won re-election with about 85% of the vote. He reviewed the election results with obvious concern and asked me, Fred, "what did I do wrong".... He pointed out the window of the plane and then tapped the newspaper while asking, 'Why didn't those other people vote for me? I was working just a hard for them!" I responded by saying, "Congressman, that question could only be asked by a man who deserves another term in office"

Yes, Jake and hundreds more like him have served with distinction in Congress. Many were liberal, and some were conservative. None of them were communists. I thank God that none of these acted as you did to blur the line between criminalizing politics and being passionate, aggressive, and partisan. It will take our great state many years to recover from the damage you and others have done with regard to fair representation. I ask you now in all sincerity to leave us alone. Enjoy your Congressional retirement benefits but PLEASE leave government to those who understand that the proper way to use their power is with restraint.

One major difference between the parties
is that the Democrats can destroy an innocent person, and the Republicans have a hard time even dinging someone who is thoroughly corrupt.

When Democrats target a conservative for destruction, do the the Republicans circle the wagons and fight? No, they tend to abandon their him after putting up weak resistance.

The Democrats, on the other hand, will staunchly defend even a Democrat who is actually guilty!

Our leaders should be screaming bloody murder. Until we smarten up, any effective conservative is going to have to make peace with Pelosi, stay in the background, or risk having the same thing done to him. How Republicans can be so naive when it comes to defending your own is beyond me.

Neither party
has a lock on ethics. Harry Reid probably deserves to be run out the way DeLay did.
I don't know how any of these people can accept gifts, trips or anything else from a lobbyist these days. You'd think they'd know better.

Texas station
Sorry I eavesdropped on your letter to Tom. He should have expected retribution because of his actions in Congress, hmm, maybe he thought in Texas people should fight "fairly", and not be subjected to the extremes that he has endured because "they" have the financial resources, a willing socialist media, and the democrat machine aimed to destroy! Yes he fought hard for the principals he believed in, and what I believe most Americans do also, its just that the lib's hide their true agenda, and attack a person and not the policies! Such is fairness and Justice to the libs. God bless Sen. Delay and those of his kind!

Nice to hear ffrom DeLay
He is exactly right when he says that the left has sought to criminalize politics, and that the trend must stop. Tom DeLay was not the first...look at the timing of the Iran-Contra indictments...and Scooetr Libby is simply the latest. Until we ge some ethical DA's who will not prosecute such cases or judges that will not allow such prosecutions to continue, we will be saddled with this type of attitude.

BTW, I have new material at my blog for all interested.

You've got to be kidding
This man is a disgrace to humanity and a traitor to his country. His corruption is legend, and his lies keep pouring from his lips.

He facilitated slavery of Chinese women in a U.S. territory, and he took bribes from his friend Abramoff. Why isn't this S.O.B. in jail?

To support Delay is support corruption. You can be conservative and honest. I am. But to close your eyes to this man's transgressions seriously weakens a conservative's moral standing.

It's not a question of liberal or conservative. It is a question of honest or dishonest. On which side to you fall?


We can all look
at the Libby case and see what Delay is talking about. The same ugly tactics of destruction happened.
This will continue to happen as Vic said, the Republicans don't stand up for themselves and fight back hard enough.

For religiouslib, you still have not answered my question from another thread, since you want to keep piling on to the destruction.

If PlameDame was a covert operative, why hasn't Fitzgerald indicted and convicted Armitage, Rove, and Cheney, since you believe they are guilty?

I already know you can't answer the question because you refused to answer it all day yesterday, but I wanted to point out how the left keeps repeating the lies even though there is no evidence on which to make their case.

A book
called "No retreat, no surrender: one American's fight". Written by Tom Delay. Foreword by Rush Limbaugh. Preface by Sean Hannity. And not one day's service between them. Is that not a little insulting to the thousands of Americans who fight and die (i.e real fighting) every day? Tom Delay has no shame. And no prizes for spotting that a plagiarised that from an op-ed at the Huffpost.

hey Peppermint, I see you are posting stuff about me on threads I haven't even contributed to yet! I think I am going to have to take out a court injunction to put an end to your blatant cyber-stalking!

The vast left wing conspiracy
I'm not angered or suprised that the democrats and their flunkies in the press have used such dishonest, vile tactics to try and destroy Tom Delay. What angers me are the spineless republicans (include Bush) who have done nothing to help this great conservative in his time of need. If an honest person of any political persuasian can get past the media's desire to destroy TD, you are struck by the fact that THEY HAVE NO PROOF!
Tom Delay is a great man who has done nothing wrong except further the conservative agenda like no one else since Ronald Reagan. I urge you all to join his website and contribute finacially to his defense.

Tom DeLay,
I believe that the left would have been far happier if you actually had joined Al Queda instead of taking a trip to Scotland.

Something needs to happen.

Something drastic needs to happen.

Something drastic needs to happen immediately!

This is my America, too! I would like truth in journalism, too. Hammering prosecutions upon leftist political obstructionists and their co-conspirators in the media might be good place to start. In other words, let's quit waiting for them to the finally become the leaders that they ought to be (I define leaders as someone with moral integrity), and give them appropriate jobs in the labour market, where supervisors will watch over their daily behavior's. Antisocial behavior such as they espouse doesn't belong at the Congressional table, where people decide the course of action for my safety and security and that of my entire family.



The Lefties on this site...
... just keep providing example after example of the modern Liberal M.O.: If you repeat a lie often enough, it will start to seem true.

More and more, I come to the conclusion that to be a true believing Leftist, you either have to be fundamentally ignorant in some very basic way, or you have to have something significant left out of your moral compass. Translation? Either you're stupid or evil. Circumstances and experience keep shrinking the margin for any other possibility.

Silly lies
"One more thing: Because liberals and the press are influenced by socialism’s hatred of the private sector, they speak of business people and corporations like they are the evil empire. Not only is this a silly lie that defies history and reason, the vital truth is that a congressman is sworn to represent the people in private industry just as surely as he is public school teachers and policemen."

There is indeed a silly lie in the above paragraph, but it has nothing to do with "evil empires". The world is full of succesful entrepreneurs, many of whom are politically liberal as well as economically. Is Bill Gates, the world's richest man, not also liberal politically? You may not like Microsoft but you can't argue with his business acumen or his desire to make money. This kind of mindless nonsense makes Delay look like he's intellectually deficient and proves that his place remains on the periphery of mainstream debate. What a load of poppycock!!!

Lawyers Fees
DeLay says "I have now spent millions of dollars in lawyers’ fees to answer the lies of the left." Luckily he had the millions to spend, after 22 years in Congress.

CriticalBill
Take a hike.

Fergus
"Either you're stupid or evil. Circumstances and experience keep shrinking the margin for any other possibility."

Either possibility works and both are true.

What do you expect?
The left has been growing in power for the last 30 to 40 years because we have been doing nothing about it.

We have expected our Representitives like Tom Delay to be our hired hands, taking the blows for us while we go about living our lives.

Meanwhile the Left has been actively trying to shove our country toward Socialism, and even Marxism right under our noses

The Conservatives foolishly bought the ruse of "tolerance," of alternate lifestyles, which has led to all the moms going off to work, and the kiddies being raised by..who exactly?

After convincing all the mothers that raising the next generation was beneath their dignity (as compared to filing papers or doing data entry?), the activist left insinuated themselves into every level of education and child care, and took over, brainwashing your children.

And where were the adults? Doing overtime at work, trying to pay for the large home in the suburbs, buying the kiddies toys and cell phones, but not teaching them right from wrong.

Now we have a new adult generation of leftists, bitter that Mom neglected them, raised by strangers, and taught by teachers to hate the very country that gave them life, and we sit back with our heads spinning, wondering what happened?

It is time to fight back.

We can no longer sit back and expect the Tom Delays and Rick Santorums to do the heavy lifting for us, as if they are the hired hands.

Because I am back in college, I am starting where I am. I just joined the Conservative Club at my school, and am in contact with a Republican club in a nearby town. We must figure out how to fight back without losing our integrity.

Mountain Rose
Difficult to lose something you never had in the first place. Yeah, America's almost a Marxist country... I hope you concentrate hard in class, you clearly have a lot of learning to do!!

Time to Cowboy UP!

Republicans need to develop an aggressive spirit and realize this nation is engaged in a (currently) cold civil war. If all conservatives continue to do is whine about coming together and building consensus, anyone with an income and IQ better prepare for a long journey to a Montana Coal mine/reeducation camp. The socialist thugs that control today’s Democratic Party will pay any price and bear any burden to gain complete control our society. Get tough, or prepare to see the see the greatest Republic in history consumed in a neo-Stalinist dark age!!

CritBull
I will concentrate on helping the administration learn that it is no longer acceptable to permit Leftist teachers spouting their drivel in classes when they should be teaching Science, Math, or History.

MountainRose
Excellent post.

'Tis a pity...
I used to be a Republican (and am still mostly one) but I find myself now generally voting for the lesser of two evils.

99% of the politicians are only doing it for the power, prestige, money, and other perks us poor schmucks get the priviledge of paying for.

From legislators with unexplained money in their freezer, to trips most of us cannot afford, it never ends. I have no sympathy for any politician, expecially those that were in power for years, and managed to do almost nothing constructive except whine when the other party attacked them.

Any of you remember when wives could stay at home, without having to work?

The difference
Corrupt politicians come in all colors and flavors, always have, always will. The difference at the present time is that corrupt conservatives (generally Repubs) are typically guilty of simple venality, and generally have to pay the price when they are caught. See Duke Cunningham: he took bribes, he was caught, and he was thrown out and convicted.

Corrupt libs (usually Dems) tend to do far more serious crimes, but they don't have to pay the price. Ted Kennedy murdered Mary Jo Kopechne (yes, you libs, murdered: where I come from what Teddy did is called "homicide by intoxicated use of a motor vehicle." And don't argue that we don't know he was intoxicated. He was Ted Kennedy: proof beyond any doubt, reasonable or not, that he was intoxicated.) Ted got off without even a wrist slap. Slick Willie used and abused women throughout his life -- probably even raped them (see Juanita Broaddrick) -- and was celebrated by the libs and their lackeys in the press.

Perhaps libs can't tell the difference between taking bribes from J.R. Ewing types (or taking a golf junket to Scotland), and taking bribes from a hostile foreign power (like taking illegal campaign contributions from the Red Chinese, and then winking when your political supporters illegally teach the Chinese why their ICBM's fail, thus allowing them the ability to nuke us).

The libs are thoroughly to blame for the "politics of personal destruction" because they are the ones who put in office the utterly corrupt, and then keep them in office. If Kennedy and Clinton had paid the price for what they did the way Cunningham and Delay paid the price, we wouldn't be facing the problem Delay is whining about in this article: if you don't agree with someone's politics, invent or exaggerate a charge and haul the person into court.

Mountain Rose
I for one find it diffult to see how a teacher can talk politics in a maths class. I mean, the answers are absolute. I mean, 2+2=4 regardless of your opinion on free trade, abortion rights or public education. If a maths teacher isn't teaching maths then his or her students will fail. I can't see how it happens, perhaps you can explain? Can you apply the same to science for me as well? It's tough to bring consesrvative views on homosexuality into a class that is teaching students how the liver works, the theory of relativity or the chemical structure of a Big Mac. History, a bit different, for sure, but I would be very surprised if this paranoia about college professors weren't a little bit exaggerated. Not many people are going to pass a physics exam if their teacher has spent the whole semester talking politics. Anyway, I wish you luck but I fear that your crusade to remove liberalism from college classrooms is not only doomed to fail but is also going to fall a little short of targets.

Pepp/Mountain Rose
I just posted Nee's After Action Report on the Gathering of Eagles. Pretty windy for such a petite woman! haha. Got a couple of pics as well.

(Shameless blog plug: Click on my handle to read the REAL GOUGE on the COUNTER-PROTEST to the libscum moonbats lef by Jihad CIndy Sheehag!)

They never got CLOSE to the WALL!

Politics: Nothing New
The attacks on Tom DeLay are nothing new in American politics. We even denounced President Washington shamefully during his second term in office...then there was the adulterist/bigamist marriage of President Andrew Jackson...to Lincoln being called a baboon...to Cleveland "Ma, Ma, where's your Pa...gone to Washington, Ha, Ha, Ha"...and so on up to today.
If there is any difference in the personal attacks, it is that the media today believes and reports the personal attacks as "true" and not just political slogans/attacks designed to gain a partisan advantage.
Because of so much money floating around in Washington today, the reader should expect that these attacks will only get worse in the future. Remember the trueism of that old bromide: "Follow the money."

Gunny in his sunnies
Is that you? Blimey, Nee is a little lady. Unless you are over seven feet tall.

Half the Story
Tom Delay accurately depicts the Democrats as using Communist tactics to destroy him and others. He channelizes their effort to the specifics--that is wrong. The Left Communist Democrats are trying to destroy the Republic by attacking it from all angles to convince the American people we need drastic change and we need to implement a Socialist/Communist society. Where he fails is in not naming the culprits behind the effort or identifying the "blue print" for this insidious game of betrayal. The people behind this movement are the same people who took over and led Russia to ruin. They are the Secularist Left radical Jews, specifically Schumer, Waxman, Wexler, Feinstein, Feingold, Franks (there are others of like mind) and their cohorts the "willing idiots" in the MSM, Hollywood, the ACLU, and the Judiciary. The "blue print" was developed and implemented in Russia. It is not popular in our society to criticize the Jewish people because they hold a special place in our religious Christian beliefs (God's chosen), and of course we have the experience of Hitler that scars our thinking. Anti-Semitism is a label none of us want but when you study the history of Russia and understand the complicity of the Secular Jews in that Communist takeover and see how many of the Russian people were killed during the consolidation to power (40 to 100 million), you must have pause. Secularist Jews were at the forefront of the early killings not only in Russia but in Hungary (Bela Kun), Poland, and some in Munich (Kurt Eisner) and Berlin (Rosa Luxemburg/Karl Liebknecht), Germany. Here are just 2 examples from Russia. Notice the source info:


Here is a small amount of information about just two Jews under Stalin. In the first instance the words quoted appear in Solzhenitsyn's book. They are not my words.

___________________1.______________________

Jewish Leaders Folder: Genrik Yagoda
Genrikh Yagoda in "Gulag Archipelago" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
GENRIKH YAGODA
( Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "Gulag Archipelago" )

Alexander Solzhenitsyn is the "father of democracy" in Russia. In one of
his books, the first volume of "Gulag Archipelago," he wrote about how
the communists in Russia, who consisted of only the Jews and a tiny
minority of

Russian criminals, amoral opportunists, and welfare rabble were able to
maintain their grip on all of Russia by keeping the Russian majority,
which hated them, too frightened to resist.

Solzhenitsyn writes of the period in 1934 and 1935, when the Jewish
commissar Genrikh Yagoda headed the Soviet secret police, and Yagoda's
black vans went out every night in St. Petersburg, known then as
Leningrad, to round up "class enemies": former members of the
aristocracy, former civil servants, former businessmen, former teachers
and professors and professional people, any Russian -- any real Russian
-- who had graduated from a university. A quarter of the population of
the city was arrested and liquidated by Yagoda during this two-year
period.

And Solzhenitsyn laments that the citizens of St. Petersburg cowered
behind their doors when the black vans pulled up at their apartment
houses night after night to arrest their neighbors. If only the decent
Russians had fought back, Solzhenitsyn says, if only they had ambushed
some of these secret police thugs in the hallways of their apartments
with knives and pickaxes and hammers, if only they had spiked the tires
of the police vans while the thugs were in the apartments dragging out
their victims, they could easily have overwhelmed Yagoda's forces and
forced an end to the mass arrests. But they didn't fight back, and the
arrests and liquidations continued. And so, Solzhenitsyn concludes,
because of their cowardice and their selfishness the Russians deserved
what the communists did to them.

_____________________2.________________________

Lazar Kaganovich: Stalin's Mass Murderer
American Times Today
Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (Kogan), of Jewish descent, was born in Kubany, near Kiev, Ukraine, in 1893. In 1911 he joined the Jewish-founded Communist Party and became involved with the Bolsheviks (Lower East Side New York Jews). Kaganovich took an active part in the 1917 takeover of Christian Russia by Communism and rose rapidly in the Party hierarchy.

From 1925 to 1928, he was first secretary of the party organization in Ukraine and by 1930 was a full member of the Politburo.

Kaganovich was one of a small group of Stalin's top sadists pushing for very high rates of collectivization after 1929. He became Stalin's butcher of Christian Russians during the late 1920s and early 1930s when the Kremlin (jews) launched its war against the kulaks (small landowners who were Christians) and implemented a ruthless policy of land collectivization. The resulting state-organized forced famine, was a planned genocide and killed 7,000,000 Ukrainians between 1932 and 1933, and inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan.

Josef Stalin (Dzhugashvili) altered census figures to hide the millions of famine deaths when the Ukraine and northern Caucasus region had an extremely poor harvest in 1932, just as Stalin was demanding heavy requisitions of grain to sell abroad to finance his industrialization program which was on top of enforced collective farming of 1929. Stalin is conservatively estimated to have been responsible for the murder and/or starvation of 40,000,000 Russians and Ukrainians during his reign of terror, while the total deaths resulting from the de-kulaklization and famine, by way of Kaganovich, can be conservatively estimated at about 14,500,000.

Notice Solzhenitsyn's reference to 1/4 of Leningrad population murdered by Yagoda.The number murdered by Kaganovich, can be conservatively estimated at about 14,500,000.
_______________________________________________

Now my words: I spent 26 years on active duty in the Army--2 of those in combat and always the enemy was Communism and always I looked to the East and as the saying goes, "I was leaning the wrong way in the foxhole". The enemy was growing behind me and I have always subscribed to the notion, "It is the primary right of men to die and kill for the land they live in, and to punish with exceptional severity all members of their own country who have warmed their hands at the hearth of the enemy". We must be diligent, we must be informed, and we cannot be intimidated by those that try to stifle our best inquiry.

Republicans have ...
constantly played defense in dealing with liberals, socialists and Communists wearing the guise of "Democrat." For the most part, Republicans have chosen to be ladies and gentlemen in the world of politics which they can no longer afford to do. Until Republicans finally go on offense and literally work together to destroy those who are intent on destroying them by whatever means possible, the Democrat offensive will continue and, frankly, right now the dems are winning overwhelmingly.

GunnyG
Got to go out, but will visit your blog sometime today. I'm anxious to see Nee's report.

DeLay
The best thing that could happen to American politics would be if BOTH parties would dry up and blow themselves away.

whew the radical right is out in force
here is the defining statement.


fishyoda writes
" The greatest danger to our nation is not al-qaeda, it's liberalism."

talk about blame america first.

everyday on this board i see sentiments like this and i suppose i should be used to it but it is so anti-american i am stunned every time i see it.

for 30 years (since the fall of communisim) the radical right has portrayed liberals as the enemy.

the result is people who actually believe that liberals should be killed.
don't you people understand that this political split between conservative voices and liberal voices has been going on since 1776.

to want harm to come to fellow americans because you disagree with them politically is anti-democratic and anti-american and nothing you can say can justify it,

you can cite all the liberal blogs you want but never to i see there the calling for the killing of 50-70 million of their fellow americans.

sadly i only see that type of sick twisted thinking here.

karennkc
What if...when Clinton fired all 93 attorneys, he was mostly trying to stop investigations in Arkansas (Whitewater) and Chicago (the very corrupt Dan Rostenkowski, later convicted, later pardoned by...Clinton) but fired the other 91 so he could say it was merely "housecleaning"? Why, that would be similar to firing all of the Travel Office so that they could bring in "our people"--which he had a right to do--but then falsely charging Travel Office employees with federal crimes and having the FBI hound and prosecute those employees (who were then tried and found "not guilty!" after moments of deliberation), all so that the real reason for the firings would not be so obvious.

Bush was an idiot for not doing some "housecleaning" of his own immediately after taking office, apparently naively believing that if he was nice to the Dems they would be nice to him. Ha! He has paid ever since by having numerous foes working from within to bring him down.

Oh, and do you ever wonder why NO other country in the Middle East will accept Palestinians? Maybe the fact that the poor, abused Palestinians voted for honest-to-goodness terrorists to lead them might give us a hint.

Peppermint
Thanks. Never knew that someone barely 5 feet tall can bellow so loud! haha.

Polly
I said that back in 2000 while still on Okinawa. Bush should have sh*tcanned ANYONE appointed/hired by The Impeached One.

Cold Civil War
What a great way to describe American politics today. As usual, the right thinks they are supposed to be tolerant of the left. The left, on the other hand, never actually intended to be tolerant of anything other than their own views.

Now that being alive and a conservative congressperson can be a crime, it is a dangerous time in our nation. It is a precedent to being a citizen and being conservative becoming a crime as well unless the tide turns.

It is such a shame that even a lame duck president with dismal approval ratings won't risk fighting back for the sake of the party. Our next president will have to face this issue head on.




No Retreat No Surrender
Sorry, if this is repeated, but this site is a little screwed up these days.

I find Mr. DeLay's comments more than a little self-serving.

During his tenure, he has been one of the most confrontational, take no prisoners, type of politicians in a very long time. Some of his actions may have set new lows/highs for this type of behavior.

For Mr. DeLay to now try to make himself a victim is more than a little laughable. Even the title of his current book that he is promoting gives an insight into his attitude.

"If you live by the sword, you die by the sword."

Don't complain Mr. DeLay, you're being treated the exact same way you have treated many.

Cold Civil War
What a great way to describe American politics today. As usual, the right thinks they are supposed to be tolerant of the left. The left, on the other hand, never actually intended to be tolerant of anything other than their own views.

Now that being alive and a conservative congressperson can be a crime, it is a dangerous time in our nation. It is a precedent to being a citizen and being conservative becoming a crime as well unless the tide turns.

It is such a shame that even a lame duck president with dismal approval ratings won't risk fighting back for the sake of the party. Our next president will have to face this issue head on.

religiouslib
Actually, back in 1776, according to the excellent book with the same title, the split was:

33% FOR Independence

33% AGAINST

33% sitting on the fence.

BTW, not too many of us want liberals DEAD per se, just tried, convicted, and exiled to france for their crimes against the US!

dogjudge
You seem to be implying that Tom DeLay is guilty of all crimes charged. So why the heck isn't the prosecutor getting on with the prosecution? You know, prove his case in court rather than before the 5th or 6th grand jury he could slap together?

GunnyG
I have visited your blog and I congratulate you on your successful counter-rally.

Do you suppose your rally is the reason I'm not seeing the massive MSM coverage of the big Peace Rally? Did their cameras accidentally catch too many America-loving sign carriers, so that all footage was rendered useless?

gunny g
you make my point in spades.

your statistics are accurate and you are right you had the conservative businessmen not for independence because it would hurt their profits.
the liberal rebels wanted to overthrow the king and then the ones in the middle.

so all liberals are the same and should be tried for dissent.

why you sound just like the 33% who were against the american revolution.

in fact that is the number who still support bush.

man there is an actual circular logic to your post today.

Give Me A Break
The sad thing is, DeLay probably really sees himself as a victim. The capacity for denial is strong in the human species, but seems to be particularly egregious in prominent conservative pols. DeLay has no one to blame but himself, and I hope he has plenty of time to get in touch with that reality as he pays for his crimes---preferably in the kind of prison where he is treated just like everyone else.

Dirty Politics
Politics has gotten very dirty and it seems to be a progressive phenonmenon. I have heard that American politics has always been very dirty but it seems that since the 50's and 60's after the death of JFK there has been a steady decline in political decorum and it has turned into a pier six brawl, a media circus, and the Jerry Springer show (which I have only seen clips of) rolled into one. The media gurus seem to feel that negative ads work. I do not feel that this is either a Conservative or Liberal occurence but that both side play by the same, lack of rules, or bare knuckles dirty rules. Also there is so much money involved in running for office and at risk when you get in office that the old saw money is the root of all evil seems to apply so that politicians are always trying to get money for their districs whether it is money that is really needed or not, but mostly as a tool to be reelected. And the amounts of money are so much and some of the perks so attractive that even those who might have started out with good intentions get snared into the web of corruption or questionable behavior regarding expenditures.

Polly
I'm making no comments on Mr. DeLay's guilt or innocence. That's for the courts to decide.

I was trying to narrow my comments simply to Mr. DeLay trying to portray himself as a victim.

During his career, had Mr. DeLay taken the high road on these type of things, then fine, I could see that person complaining about politicians being utterly destroyed to the point of criminal charges.

I seem to remember Mr. DeLay being one of the moving forces behind the state of Texas sending rangers out to arrest the Democrats who left the state so a vote couldn't be taken. If that's not trying to criminalize politics, I'd like to know what it is?

Finally, look at Mr. DeLay's last paragraph.

I don't know if any of what he is talking about was legal, or not. On the face of it, the statement is more than a little confrontational about the issue. It's as if he's challenging someone to go after him about it.

As far as his statement, and it being confrontational is concerned, do you disagree?

GunnyG
They love France. It's not even punishment for them! Can't wait to see Germans talking about building a wall again (ha).

Delay - traitor
Well, he is by the rigorous standards set by Townhall for liberals. Look back at his comments calling for a withdrawal from Kosovo and his criticism of Clinton at the time. Thought it was all about supporting a president during a time of combat? Thought criticising the commander in chief during a time of combat only helps the enemy? Thought calling for impeaching the president during a time of combat was the height of treasonous behaviour? Well, Delay did it all. I suppose it depends on which combat you're talking about and which president, doesn't it?

dogjudge
Geez, dogjudge, "I did it, it was legal & informative, I'd do it again" is your idea of "confrontational"?!

You should try watching the Dems hit every Republican in this administration virtually every day. Then check your definition of "confrontation."

Or is it just that any Republican who defends himself is "confrontational"?

If you're all for the courts' deciding, why don't you ask the prosecutor to get a move on? That's what DeLay's asking for.

To answer your question, no, I did not find that statement confrontational. It IS unusual for a Republican to actually stand up for himself, but that's not really a "confrontation."

Polly
Two comments I use on this site quite a bit.

It's probably best that we simply agree to disagree.

Perception is reality.

You're more than free to believe that Mr. DeLay's comment is not confrontational.

Something to think about, although I'm sure you still disagree. What if Tom DeLay made that type of statement after he had just been sentenced? Confrontational then?

Republicans versus Democrats. I try not to get into those generalization arguments. Way too much opinion as to what a Republican or a Democrat is. As with most generalizations, most of it usually isn't true for either side.

Tom DeLay, No Retreat, No Surrender: One
Poor baby, this is nothing new and it has certainly been bipartisan. Remember how a money loosing $63K land deal morphed into an impeachment for Clinton?

johninoregon
Speaking of "the capacity for denial," have you noticed that Refrigerator Jefferson has promised that he'll be vindicated, he surely never did take that bribe (obviously, that cash in the freezer will be fully explained, those who pled guilty to GIVING Jefferson the bribe were, well, lying).

Let's get HIM to court, too, and off the Homeland Security Committee where he was installed by Veracious Nancy. Depending on where he's tried and who's on the jury, he may indeed be found "not guilty." He may be judged by the same people who re-elected Marion Barry, a very forgiving lot indeed. (Though unable to forgive that lyin' Libby, of course.)

CB
Did congress declare that America was at war during the Clinton presidency and grant him war powers? I don't recall that but I haven't researched it either.

kids know right wrong and responsibility
Punished? Yes for a reason. This excerpt is pathetic and embarrassing. Full of self pity, arrogance, excuses and blaming others for their choices and actions. This is sad. The Dems and Media did not sink Tom's ship. What happened to leadership, responsibility, honesty and working for the best interest of the people, not the self interest of the politician or party?

Lets set the Tom Delay stage:

The K Street Project (illegal lobbying influence for money, GOP in particular), Terri Schiavo (gov expanded involvement in private matters, pandering to religious right 'evangelicals'), Cuban Cigar smoker (small issue of hypocrisy, decadence but shows attitude that law does not apply to him), Jack Abramoff (long connection with Israel lobby and influence for money) and of course indited under several counts for........

TRMPAC: fraud, lying, illegal political contribution and conspiring to violate Texas state election law. IS THAT ALL? That is all we know about. Poor TOM being picked on.

WOW, Tom is BUSY! doing the work of the people? NOT; Job #1, lining his political coffers and dirty tricks.

Tom is a walking encyclopedia of political dirty deals, corruption and influence for sale. That is what you get with a +20 year Rep. when both chambers and executive branches are under one party. He and the GOP was drunk with power, greed and abused their office. It happened, but let's move on and learn. The two party system is critical. The main stream media is not our enemy (as Fox News says) but a valid and needed watch dog. We NEED people like Tom Delay to be routed out, he is not GOOD for us, Dem or GOP; we deserve better.

Mr. Delay, I throw up a little in the back of my throat when I see you on Fox TV. You are one of the most partisan politicians to come along. You of course have NO responsibility for what has happened to you Right Mr. Delay? I don't care if you served for 21 years or 100 years, irrelevant.

I am sorry you shamed yourself, your family and the party you are so loyal to, but you deserve you 'punishment'. No one is above the law. With Bush and his admin not taking any responsibility or spinning every scandal with our shame, I am beginning to think the GOP and Neo-Con's are all about lack of leadership, responsibility, excuse making, cover-up and un-controlled hubris.

Shame on you Mr. Tom Delay. You have hurt our Nation and betrayed her people, putting a wedge through her heart. Your extreme corruption and partisan far right agenda and self righteous attitude of moral superiority makes me ill. You where an ineffectual leader at best. Just because you where voted in, is only an indication we need term limits. Incumbents win most of the time, good, bad or ugly. I partly blame the people who don't VOTE. Our voter turn out is at the bottom of other democracies.

You sir are a sinner, just like everyone, me included. No one sin is worse than another, they are all punishable, but you are a criminal, who belongs in jail, just like any criminal, to pay your debt to society. However a man who is entrusted by the people, as you where, than acts in a reckless unrestrained, criminal and extreme partisan way of course deserves the maximum punishment under the law. They execute people in Texas don't they? People PAY for their crime, so should you? Of course. No matter how wonderful you think you are, you are indited and will likely, if justice is severed become another convicted felon.

Sadly the whole GOP, Bush administration acts like you; they make excuses, whine and cry, while blaming others. That is not leadership. 6th graders would not dare make up the bull you have to cover bad behavior. They at least know when they are caught. Don't lie mr. delay, if you can.

The days of neo-conservatism, authoritarians and the far right wing social, foreign and economic agenda is over. It is time to bring back Classical conservatism, moderate policies that are more involved with leadership and governance than politics.

YOU Mr. Delay Put YOUR party first and the people last.

I am again sorry for your pain but you must change your attitude and heart, and stop your whining and crying and be a MAN. I will pray for you and your family. However you still only show defiance, making excuses and blaming others. I fear your heart is HARD. As the bible says:

Mathew 7:16: Ye shall know them by their fruits: Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles

Mr. Tom Delay, your actions and actions of the GOP in recent years speaks louder than words. It will take decades for the stink you left to dissipate, yet you are still in denial. You say they cold not win at the vote so they got you because you broke the LAW. WHAT THE F...... That is a ridiculous thing to say much less write in a book. This just confirms what people think of you.

People like you Tom and the far right hurt America. The far left hurts America as well, but you and your party where in power for 6 years and made a mess, fact. You and your parties pull to the far right also energized the far left. You scared them along with Bill-O/Fox Culture Warrior!! Notice the word WAR in warrior? Frankly you scared moderates, independents like me, even with my conservative leaning.

You need to GET OUT of politics and get into a regular honest day job, working 60 hours a week like the rest of us for less than

I feel bad for you and your family, but nothing you say (on Fox) or write shows any humility, self reflection or responsibility for your behavior. You are as harsh, defiant and frankly hatefully partisan as ever. YOU ARE Responsible for YOUR ACTIONS. I learned this when I was a child. There are consequences for your actions. Be a man and a supposed Christian, show repentance and change your ways.

Chance is you may do real hard jail time as Libby and Cunningham. You have to understand, its nothing personal, but good bye and good riddance, you are the worst kind or politician, one who puts party & partisanship first, and wants to destroy the other party and anyone (like media, a needed watch dog) that speaks out against you.

Totalitarism, authoritarism and policy by theocracy is what the founding fathers protected us against. Thankfully they where wise and protected the people from government like you want. The Constitution, Bill or Rights is what YOU swore to uphold and you let us down Mr. Delay. Hope you get what you deserve. Sincerely George

PS You like Wisdom and political quotes:

"You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

A. Lincoln

"You can fool too many of the people too much of the time."

James Thurber

Mr. Delay, the people are smarter than you think; You held us in contempt as evident by your actions. You're fooling no one anymore. We have your number. Leave public office in shame and stop the illusion of your devotion to the people; Tom is in it for Tom, addicted to power. Also every word out of your mouth is CONSERVATIVE AGENDA. How about what is BEST for the nation regardless of ideology.

You did your damage, now please leave the stage. You used ALL your political lives. ITS OVER. Nixon stayed Nixon, Delay will stay Delay. +20 years is enough. Term limits anyone? Campaign reform (public funded only)?

Polly
Guilty until proven innocent.

Please go back and look at my comments.

At no time did I say anything about Mr. DeLay being guilty of anything.

You asked me if that's what I believe and I told you no.

I find your comments about William Jefferson especially illuminating.

Don't judge Mr. DeLay until he goes to court. Get him to court right away. Mr. DeLay is not guilty until proven guilty. All of this is the way that it should be.

You then turn around and have pre-judged Mr. Jefferson. ie. your snide little remark about the money in the freezer, etc.

Don't you see any contradiction in all of that?

CB's reading (mis)comprehension
""One more thing: Because liberals and the press are influenced by socialism’s hatred of the private sector, they speak of business people and corporations like they are the evil empire. Not only is this a silly lie that defies history and reason, the vital truth is that a congressman is sworn to represent the people in private industry just as surely as he is public school teachers and policemen."

There is indeed a silly lie in the above paragraph, but it has nothing to do with "evil empires". The world is full of succesful entrepreneurs, many of whom are politically liberal as well as economically. Is Bill Gates, the world's richest man, not also liberal politically? You may not like Microsoft but you can't argue with his business acumen or his desire to make money. This kind of mindless nonsense makes Delay look like he's intellectually deficient and proves that his place remains on the periphery of mainstream debate. What a load of poppycock!!!"

Where is the lie (look up the term in a dictionary) in Delay's statement? He states that socialists in general hate the private sector, in other words, that one of the biggest bogeymen for the Left is "evil" corporations. This is a statement of fact, pure and simple. Nowhere does Delay say that some entrepeneurs or corporate CEOs are not Leftist. In other words, the passage you picked on has NOTHING to do with what you ranted about. All you show with your post is that you have troubles with elementary reading comprehension.

Dogjudge
When they find 90 grand in Delay's freezer I will be prejudging him too.

Buzzkat
Delay is clearly implying that liberals believe that the business world is an evil empire, even if they do it to appeal to socialists who may even believe that. That is total nonsense. The whole statement is a silly lie designed to appeal to those who wallow in the misguided belief that liberals are anti-business. It is simply not true. In saying this, Delay defies history and reason, not liberals.

It warms this liberal's heart
To see the "evil ogre" Tom Delay reduced to the sniveling little crybaby he has become. And milking every tear to shamelessly hawk his new book. He was on the talk shows yesterday claiming that anyone that disagrees with him is a traitor. We don't need trash like that in office.

Politics is a tough game. Ask John Kerry about swift boating (we don't see him whining and crying about it). Ask Valerie Plame about getting caught in the spiteful and savage hack job on her husband Joe Wilson the white house directed after he criticized Bush.

Yes, Pelosi is a tough lady, and perhaps a better political infighter than Mr. DeLay. But Delay can hardly blame her for his personal downfall.

WHO REALLY "GOT" TOM DELAY

The person who really did Delay in is the Travis County, Texas DA Ronnie Earle. He doggedly persued marginal allegations of corruption and money laundering on the part of DeLay in the Texas redistricting hullabaloo. If it weren't for Earle and his relentless campaign against Delay there is no doubt he would still be in congress. His district would have handily re-elected him last year.

In the end it gives me an ironic chuckle that DeLay can thank Justice Antonin Scalia for the fact that the house seat he relinquished by not running in 2006 is now held by a democrat. When the GOP wanted to take his name off the ballot, the courts ruled they could not substitute another candidate for him. The GOP appealed all the way to the Supreme Court for a stay on this order, but Scalia denied it, handing the DeLay's district to Nick Lampson, a democrat.

DOES THAT MAKE SCALIA A COMMUNIST OR A TRAITOR???

You just gotta love it. Sometimes there is some (poetic) justice in the world.

Get over it Tom. I am sure your book will be on the best seller list for a few weeks and you'll earn back all those attorney fees.

DeLay's ? History Goes Back to 1984
When DeLay first ran for Congress in 1984, his Republican opponents in the primary first thought about casting allegations about possible income tax fraud committed by DeLay, based upon information they had received from several sources. Party operatives told the candidates to not even go there.

DeLay took over Ron Paul's seat, since Dr. Paul made a run for the Senate. DeLay was no friend of Ron Paul.

So, the long and short of it is that DeLay was not the "staunch conservative" that he wants everyone to believe about him. He was a party machine power-broker with the best of them.




Tom DeLay
Some years back my best high school buddy was still vascillating between the two parties. I told him I had converted to conservatism after I started to take an interest in politics.

I told him once I had educated myself to what was going on, it was impossible for me to remain a democrat. This had been the party of my father.

I concluded my little diatribe by saying in my opinion the liberals (democrats) were not only socialistic/communistic but also evil. He blanched at this last statement.

Since that time, his views have become much more conservative. Now, almost everytime I speak with him he tells me how right I was when I referred to the libs as "evil."

Tom Delay's excerpt only reinforces that opinion.
What they are doing to him is truly evil.

Stop! Hammertime!
I think Tom Delay went by the nickname "The Hammer" for many years. Now, I'm assuming he didn't go by this nickname (which sounds like he made up himself by the way) because he was a member of the local geological society. One assumes that he got this nickname from the way that he treated his opponents, both Republican and Democrat. Well, if you make enemies faster than you make friends, as he seems to have done, you must expect some comeback. And to quote Winston Churchill again, "all political careers end in failure." Winston knew it. Now The Hammer does too.

zbobby
so now liberals are part of the axis of evil huh.

50-70 million americans are liberals and according you they are all evil.

was cunningham evil.
was ney evil.
was foley evil.

all the presidential candidates on the republican side have been married more than once. is that evil.

i only ask because you seem very forgiving of immorality on the republican side but not forgiving for immorality on the liberal side.

why is that?

DELAY AND THE FIGHT TO SURVIVE EVIL
WE SEE IT NOW HOW THE JACKASS PARTY IS TRYING TO POLITICIZE ALL ISSUES, TO AVOID BEING SPOTTED FOR THEIR INCOMPETANCE. THE LIBBY TRIAL, PRESENTLY THE DOJ FIRINGS THAT TOOK PLACE TWO YEARS AGO, THE CONSTANT MANEUVERING TO AVOID BEING CALLED TRAITORS FOR BETRAYING THE TROOPS FIGHTING FOR OUR VERY SURVIVAL. HYSTERICS OVER A WORD THAT HAS NO CONOTATION OTHER THAN WHAT IT MEANS AND LIMITLESS REVISION OF THEIR OWN PAST FAILINGS. CALLING ALL WHO OPPOSE THEM NAMES AND COMING DOWN HARD ON ANY PARTY MEMBER WHO STEPS OUTSIDE THE LINE LIKE LIBERMAN AND THOSE BEFORE HIM.

THE CONSTANT CYA POLICY AND DENIAL OF RESPONSIBILITY, THE WORDS JACKASS PARTY AREA AS GOOD A FIT AS ONE CAN ASK FOR. THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD FIT ANY BETTER IS COMMIE.

New law firm

Please add another name to the law firm of Fitzgerald and Nifong: that of Earl.

PELOSI
and where does she park her broom?

Liberals and business
Liberals are not anti business just anti big business. They define big business as any business that they do not control (own).

If they do not control it it must be bad and corrupt.

The big business of organizing workers into voting liberal blocks is good business. But they will not allow those same workers the right to decide how their tithes (dues) will be spent.



DeLay's not quite criminal immorality
Tom says: "Once elected I fought hard for conservative principles and, in time, my fellow conservatives and I won major victories. Remember, these were victories for the very principles we were sent to Congress to serve."

I agree that the public sent conservatives to Congress to win conservative victories, but strongly disagree that Tom fought hard for and won these major conservative victories.

Not once does he mention "earmarks" (nor do the bloggers, for that matter.) Not once does he mention the largest new entitlement since the 1960s (Med Part D). Not once does he mention that NON-DEFENSE spending increased at a faster rate than during any administration since the Great Society. All this when we conservative Republicans had a monopoly - as one blogger put it - on the legislative and executive branches. And DeLay and Santorum (remember his campaigning for Specter over Toomey in '84?) wonder where the conservative base went when they needed our help.

We need The Rise Of The Reponsible Republicans. Down with Tom and Rick. Up with Fleck, Pence, Coburn, and a few others in the Republican Study Group, the only principled Republicans left in Congress.
Tim Cranston

Criminalization of You Crooks
Yes, you jokers,
you thugs,
you thieves,
you Republican's!

Enough said.

dogjudge
I confess, when $90,000 in marked bills are found in someone's freezer, when that someone has been caught on tape accepting a $100,000 bribe, and when two people have pled guilty to bribing that someone, I DO believe in my heart that he probably did it. They will almost certainly NOT let me sit on the jury, should he ever be brought to trial.

If he is found "not guilty," I will still probably believe he did it. Shoot, I still think O.J. did it, showing how unswayed I am by jury verdicts.

Since Tom DeLay is not a prosecutor, he has not done and will always be unable to do to anyone what is being done to him.

So what do you think of D.A. Mike Nifong's foot-dragging regarding prosecution of the Duke lacrosse team members? Costing the families of those nasty college boys bundles of money. Letting them hang in limbo until...hell freezes over? Nifong got re-elected, too, but I'm sure there were no politics involved in this case.

Tim
GOOD points.

Still, you hate to see someone prosecuted for being effective (even if he wasn't effective in ways we wished he would have been).

Silly Slacker
Dick Armitage--a Bush critic--was the original leaker. CHECK MATE. But go ahead, keep repeating your lies.

DeLay is a bumbling idiot and a disgrace to the coservative movement.

Aborted Backbone
Its clear that the Republicans in the Administration and The Congress, has had an abortion on their backbone. Look at the no issus of Libby and now the legal firing of these 8 political derelicts, incompetent, fed Attorneys. Add the border agents doing their job and being sent to prison by Bush's AG office.Bush has not demonstrated the guts to pardon these people. Rush just said the "For The Life Of Me, I Don't Understand Why Bush and The Republicans will not Fight Back."

Recently, I received a call from the National GOP asking for donations "To take Back The Congress." I told them all of my donations are in suspension, until I see action out of the Republicans that gives Amnesty to Libby, the Border Agents, telling the Democrats to get lost on this Attorney fiasco, and taking actions to block any legislation that gives Amnesty to the criminals invading this country.In other words standing up to the Democrats.

I would hope everyone who calls themself a Conservative or Republican, would take the time out to write to the spinless and let them know how you feel on these issues. The Republicans in leadership think that they will be able to ignore the base and you will forget it when the next election rolls around.


Huh?
Who let the dogs in?


Thrasybulus of course
I know that the "original" leaker was Armitage. He was not the only one pounding on Wilson and Plame and there was a ton of venom directed at them both from many people including not only Cheney and other people connected to the white house but commentators like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and many others.

I am glad you share my sentiments about DeLay.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Demos or Repubs
There is no difference between either. They're all in it for the money and/or power to pass on to their spouses, their children their relatives.

Why should these hacks of either side have to have spines when we, the people, let them get away with anything they want.

Don't talk to me about right/left, liberal or conservative! They are all the same under their skins!!!

Polly
I can understand your comments about Jefferson. I actually agree with most of them. I think he probably is guilty. But in cases such as that, I try to couch my words in such a way so that I try to keep my biases out of the discussion.

Nifong - You can certainly disagree, but I don't think this is a Democratic/Republican issue, simply a BAD prosecutor.

There was a case here in Illinois. VERY high profile. Joe Birkett was the prosecutor in the case for DuPage County. As an aside Birkett recently ran, and lost, for Lt. Governor in the state.

There was a young girl who had been raped and murdered. Birkett was the prosecutor. Typical multiple trials and appeals, etc. Along the way, another person (incarcerated for other reasons) admitted to the crime numerous times. It turns out there was also some prosecutorial misconduct along the way and misconduct on the part of the police. The initial suspect, who was almost put to death, won a multi-million dollar settlement against the police and the prosecutor. As we're both aware, they don't pay, but the government pays.

To this day, Birkett says that his prosecution was correct.

For a variety of reasons, I wish that when it is proven that prosecutors have broken the law, they could be sued by their victims.

Unfortunately, the public tends to evaluate these types of elected officials by their won loss record. With that type of evaluation, you're asking for prosecutors to abuse the people that are being tried.

Silly Slacker
No, bud, Dick Armitage wasn't "pounding" on anyone. He had absolutely no motive to hurt Wilson or Plame, since he was a CRITIC of the Iraq war and a critic of Bush's foreign policy. He leaked the name inadvertantly and without any nefarious intent. Again, check mate.

As for Cheney and others, they were simply trying to correct Wilson's lies, which are well documented by the Senate Intelligence report. Thanks for trying.

slacker
Excuse me, we DON'T hear Kerry whining about being "swiftboated"?!! Well, we also don't see him releasing his medical records, just to prove those darned swiftboaters were full of hooey.

And it's unkind of you to refer to Richard Armatage's disclosure of Ms. Plame's name as "the spiteful and savage hack job on her husband Joe Wilson," especially since Armatage is not a Bush supporter and is against the war. Poor Valarie could probably have avoided the whole thing by 1) NOT recommending her husband for that Niger trip, and/or 2) discouraging Joe from submitting that lie-filled NYT piece, which just begged for rebuttal; possibly SHE should be prosecuted for careless disregard of the necessity of her anonymity. Didn't she aid and abet her own outing? And SHE KNEW how very, very covert she was. Still, she's living the life of a celeb now and seems to love every minute of her ruined life, apparently having learned to live with the extreme danger all her co-workers are now in.

And speaking of prosecutions (which this whole thread IS), why isn't that spiteful and savage Richard Armatage sitting in a jail cell as we type? For goodness sake, he CONFESSED!!

Dave Stone......Jetpilot....WELL SAID!
Poor DeLay, what a joke. DeLay you have done nothing except pander to special interest just like ALL the rest of congress both Rep and Dems.

"I was elected by people who thought I was the best representative of their values."

Yes we did think that but you and the rest of congress sure proved us wrong.

"I have now spent millions of dollars in lawyers’ fees to answer the lies of the left."

Tom, where did you get the millions to spend?
did they miss a freezer?

I just wish the rest of the congress would get caught on tape being a congress person because you ALL need to go.

I also blame the millions of Non-voting public that allows all of you to stay for 20+ years and do nothing. Whatever you didn't screw up while you were in........you will finish off when you become a lobbyists.

DeLay, get lost and take the rest of congress with you.

PANDER: a go-between in amorous intrigues.

Did Val Lie Under Oath
There was no Crime in the Val Plame case. No one was charged with outing of her because she was not covert.

It is clear that she should be investigated for perjury after her recent appearence before the nostials committee. Did you notice how ole Henry would not allow her to questioned in depth.

JH
...stands for juvenile hall, which is where most of today's politicians belong, judging by their actions, and I do agree that the democrats/liberals are the most vicious.

But, the republicans are certainly the weakest, with absolutely no will to fight back.

How come we haven't seen any of them come forward and say that Clinton fired 93 U.S. attorneys? Say it repeatedly, on as many shows as they can get on, putting ads in papers, ads on TV, and so on.

How many have we seen come forward and DEMAND that Sandy Burglar take that lie detector test which was a condition of his sentence? Only John Gibson keeps a running daily tally.

Will we see a huge promotion of the success of the Gathering of Eagles in Washington D.C. this weekend? The republicans probably won't use the means at their disposal to make sure the whole country knows about the 30,000 or so Eagles who attended.

And many, many, many other stories.

When I see someone as blindly loyal as Sean Hannity wondering why the Republicans don't fight back, we know we have a problem.

Republicans, get rid of the yellow streaks down your backs, and while we don't have to respond like juvenile delinquents, we can respond with strength, determination and unity. That's the only way you're going to get the votes next time around. Everybody is sick of your weakness, appeasement, capitulation, apologies, and political correctness.

Duke The Hero
Will when you have given to this country as much as Duke Cunningham has( America Fighter Pilot ACE) then you can talk about him. Cunningham, established almost single handed Air Superiority over South Vietnam that saved America Billions of $$$$$ in Lifes and equipment. The money which he took thru a bribe, which is wrong,was a pittance compared to the billions he saved this Country at the risk of his life, blood and body parts.

Don't be an ingrate all your life, repent!

Pauky
I was trying to stay out of the Plame issue.

Have you been living in a cave recently.

Mike Hayden told the House committee that he considered Plame covert. He happened to be head of the CIA at the time all of this happened.

Now can you tell me how you've made the wonderful decision that she wasn't/isn't covert.

You might have some other points, but Valerie Plame not being a covert agent is not one of them.

As an aside for those who want to go down this road.

Simple question about this issue.

Given the types of things that the CIA does. Given they types of people that are directly and indirectly involved with CIA operations.

I don't want anyone releasing the name of someone who works in the mail room at the CIA, much less anyone who is involved on an operational level.

Do you really mean to suggest that you feel it's acceptable to release the names of people who are working at the CIA?

Thrasybulus
The fact that Armitage was the original leaker is only "checkmate" if you are playing an irrelevant game.

In the game that matters, the world now has documented proof that, in addition to devising the single worst foreign policy blunder in the history of our country, one in which he got every material ingredient wrong, Cheney was personally and actively involved in trying to throttle anyone who spoke out against this fiasco. Nobody cares about Armitage, but history will not be kind to Cheney for how he has weakened our country and harmed our interests around the world. That's why he needs us to "stay the course"-- because if this ends now, he will be forever damned in the annals of our country. He will sacrifice our troops to postpone that from happening.

Tom Delay never changed...
...he has been and will continue to be the same, a Republican shill under the guise of a conservative who lined his pockets, compromised any morality and convinced Texans that he is some how a "Great American"...

In the interim, Republicans compromised Reagan, guaranteed control of government and ultimately the courts for the next generation, some how feel that supporting a failed administration, denying any responsibility, and claiming the high ground play well in America..to quote my 25 and 21 year old sons..."good luck with that"...

iorek
I'll ignore your idiotic claim that the war against a terrorist-enabling, bellicose tyrant who posed a grave threat to the international order was "the single worst foreign policy blunder in the history of our country".

I'll simply challenge you to prove the following statement:

"Cheney was personally and actively involved in trying to throttle anyone who spoke out against this fiasco."

Thanks. You guys really need to lay off the crack that is Hardball and Countdown.

When all else fails, try facts Dogjudge
Dogjudge, I haven't been living in a cave lately or ever, but obviously you have or worse have a short between your ears.

In addition to the above you are apparently easily duped, especially by Henry "Investigate im"Waxman. Why would you spread such propaganda as,"Mike Hayden told the House committee that he considered Plame covert." Mike Hayden, General to you, did not appear before Waxman' demoncrats committee of which only two Republicans attended.

An expert Attorney that helped write the law on covert personnel testified under oath at Waxman' commettee, that Prame was not covert and in no way met the criteria for a covert agent under the law. The Atorney further stated that in order for a person to be covert they must have been assigned overseas in the last five years in question as a covert agent. Prame clearly did not meet those requirements and clearly did not qualify as a Covert Agent.

Dogjudge, even you with your problem of being inconvienced with fact and truth, should have figured out by now that, Fitzgerald was not able to concoct any charges of "OUTING OF A COVERT CIA AGENT" or he would have surley done it.

Even through you obviously would rather operate on non-facts and untruths, I suggest the next time you enter a comment on an issue, try educate yourself on the issue that you are attempting to converse about.Using political talking points will expose your ignorance everytime.


Republicans fight back?
Democrats will continue till they get a dose of their own medicine.

Republicans should enter the Congress & Senate with PUSHCARTS full of subpoenas and give several to each Democrat. When Democrats complain about it being nonsense, the Republicans should agree and then hand out another batch.

They should do this every day until Democrats agree to stop prostituting our Justice System for partisan politics.

DeLay and Friends
They say that long-time associates come to look like each other. I thought of this yesterday when I watched DeLay on television and remembered that his former profession put him in close relationship with rats and cockroaches.

Tom Delay Criminalized Politics!
Tom,
As a fellow Texan, I watched your career with growing dismay as YOU criminalized politics. You should have expected those you harmed to fight back with all the tools available to them. Yelling about it now serves no purpose but to bring attention to your awful conduct in office.
Hundreds of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle have served with honor during your lifetime while being passionate, aggressive, and partisan. You will never rank with them.
I could offer many examples of Congressmen who served with honor but one example from my side of the aisle comes to mind, that was Congressman J.J. "Jake" Pickle from the REAL District 10 that you worked to destroy. Several times during the 1970s, Jake invited me to fly with him to D.C. (commercial coach) and be his guest at the weekly Democratic luncheon. (I paid for my own trip). On one of these trips, Jake had just won re-election with about 85% of the vote. He reviewed the election results with obvious concern and asked me, Fred, "what did I do wrong".... He pointed out the window of the plane and then tapped the newspaper while asking, 'Why didn't those other people vote for me? I was working just a hard for them!" I responded by saying, "Congressman, that question could only be asked by a man who deserves another term in office"

Yes, Jake and hundreds more like him have served with distinction in Congress. Many were liberal, and some were conservative. None of them were communists. I thank God that none of these acted as you did to blur the line between criminalizing politics and being passionate, aggressive, and partisan. It will take our great state many years to recover from the damage you and others have done with regard to fair representation. I ask you now in all sincerity to leave us alone. Enjoy your Congressional retirement benefits but PLEASE leave government to those who understand that the proper way to use their power is with restraint.

Wake up Will
Will, you did not state whether you had given as much to this Country as a great Hero, Like Duke Cunningham. I stated that Cunningham done wrong in accepting the bribes. However, I also praised him for his great contributions he has made to this Country. Can you name any people in congress that has given this Country as much as Cunningham. I know Damn well you can't name godless lieberals who are giving aid to the enemy,by advocating Cut And Run, that can stand in the same room with a great American Hero, such as, Duke Cunningham.

Pauky
Don't let the facts interfere with a good story Pauky.

Look up the transcript of the hearing that happened a few days ago.

During House hearings today, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) announced that CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden recently told Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) that there was no doubt Victoria Plame Wilson was covert. Cummings — relaying what Waxman had told him — said that Gen. Hayden expressed clearly and directly, “Ms. Wilson was covert.”

Yeah, it was Waxman who is the source, but there hasn't been a denial from Hayden.

"Legal expert who wrote the law . . ."

Look at your "legal expert's" testimony. She is basing her remark on HER interpretation of when Plame was last overseas.

Cummings asked, “During the past five years, Ms. Plame, from today, did you conduct secret missions overseas?” She answered, “Yes I did."

You may find this hard to believe, but legal experts don't decide who is covert and who isn't covert. The head of the CIA decides who is covert.

You also haven't said anything about my other comment. Do you or don't you feel it is acceptable to release the names of ANYONE at the CIA. Mail room clerk included.


GOP backbone aborted
Yes, I am a conservative upset that the R's in JH don't stand up for conservative values or answer the vicious lies slung by the Left. It's very frustrating. Yes, I want to light a fire under the wimps, and let them cook to a frazzle if they don't speak out to counter the lies.

But, you know what? I have studied the tactics of the left for over 50 years.
Let's get right to the point, the left has political power for at least three reasons:
Domination of the media.
Domination of the media.
Domination of the media.

And they dominate because they:
1-don't let truth get in their way
2-consider nothing to be off limits
3-believe political power is a birthright
4-will do most anything for power
5-have nothing to lose - no agenda
6-can depend on free publicity for anything they say, that it will be treated as the truth, requiring no proof, and will be trumpeted in the press ad nauseum.
7-iron fisted control over what issues are sacrosanct (defined as PC)
8-are therefore in control of the moral high ground
9-use this power with little or no provocation

For this reason, Danny boy made his capricious allegation against Dubya using a false document, defended it by claiming the substance of it was true even if the document was false. And his leftist feminist boss turned the journalists' creed on its head in a disgusting display of soft ball talk show audacity. I wanted to puke it was so outrageous.

And for all their cheap shots and bald face lies, they claim immunity in the Court of Political Correctness by saying, "The issue is not whether it's true or false, it's the seriousness of the charge."

All the GOP power opponents they have driven out of office using this power. It's become known as the politics of personal destruction.

Therefore, although I don't like the weak kneed reaction of Republican conservatives, I do understand why they do it. And I hate it.

Pauky
I'll stop my discussion here after I read your last post about Cunningham.

Your type of logic is the type of things that excuses atrocities such as My Lai. Yeah they were great soldiers until . . .

And don't even go there about my background.

1 - It's immaterial.
2 - Air Force from '67 to '71 (guess where?)

And YOUR super patriotic background. What have YOU done to pay America back for all you've gotten from her?

Retreat and Surrender
Tom DeLay retreated from his leadership position and surrendered his seat in disgrace.

To all of the above Libtards
Randy Cunningham is in Jail, he was convicted. Tom Delay had nothing to do with him or his actions.

Valerie Plame has nothing to do with this thread, so why are you posting on it?

Tom Delay has NOT been convicted of anything. it took multiple trips to two grand juries to get a true bill. Something most State Bar Associations prohibit. Somebody from Texas weigh in here on that. I guess it must be legal because Delay's lawyers haven't acted on it.

I'll wait for the trial before I start opining on guilt.

Critical Bill

You are confusing "value" free subjects such as math and science with ones worldview.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to keep ones worldview out of any subject someone teaches.

The worldview one has determines ones values which in turn determines ones behavior. Somewhere and in someway, the values of a person ALWAYS play a part in how one approaches life. If that person is a teacher, you can GUARANTEE those values will be there for all to see. It is just that with some it is more obvious than it is with others.

Glass houses
"One who lives in glass house MUST NOT cast stones". It appeared that Tom Delay had a stack of stones while forgetting the above wise saying! But he does have a point, though, on other matters!


Visit: OsiSpeaks.com or OsiSpeaks.org



Pauky

Not sending a donation to the Republican Party is the best way to send your message to them that you can do.

will
You "Progressives" are the ones who are twisted.

I can't and won't speak for Gonzales other than to say he had AND STILL HAS the right to fire every single one of those prosecutors for WHATEVER REASON OR NO REASON if it pleases him and your mention of the subject proves your ignorance of the subject!
THAT SAID:
It is a pity Bush or anyone else has to defend Gonzales from cowardly Democrats who PROSTITUTE our Justice System for Partisan Politics.
Gonzales is just as big a joke as Jocelyn Elders.

You resorted to name calling the last time you commented on one of my posts.
This time you insinuate I am ill informed on the subject.
This happens to be a subject that has caused me great distress FOR YEARS!

dogjudge

Yes, yes, yes, yes, YES,YES!!!!!!!!!

It IS acceptable under certain conditions to release the name of someone who works for the CIA.

Let's start with the mail room clerk first. Are you trying to say by any definition you can come up with that he is a covert employee??

I am sure he would be glad to hear from you that he is.

Dogjudge, are you an ingrate
Dogjudge, The so called atrocities that you say happened at My Lai, was an invention by those who gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

If you had learned anything from your Vietnam experience, I'll take your word that you were there, you should know that Lt. Calley was faced with a hostile village that saw Man, Woman and Child working with the VC to kill them anyway they could. Obviously you elected to believe traitors such as Hanoi Jane and John who betrayed their Country and caused the deaths and maiming of our great troops.

If you are implying that you spent 4 years in Vietnam, then your are not factual.

Did you even go to Vietnam or was you a "Vietnam Era" Vietnam. If you were in Vietnam, then you can thank Great Heros such as, Duke Cunningham that you still have your body in tact.

If Air Superiorty had not been established and largely by Duke Cunningham's actions, tens of thousands of lifes Limbs,Blood and body parts would have been lost.

Why is that godless lieberals are ingrates and always blame America first.

Yes, I was there in Vietnam and I understand Lt. Calley's actions as do most real american, as is evidenced by the outcry ot the majority of american people against criminal trail or courts martial against Lt Calley.

Only those people who don't support our troops and Hanoi Jane And John demanded these American warriors be punished for doing their job. The same people are not supporting our troops today in Iraq.




dogjudge
My sister used to work for the CIA. She tells me that if someone is really covert, then the CIA will actually DENY that the person works for them.

So when Novak called the CIA to confirm Val worked for them, why was he told, "Yes, but we'd rather you didn't use her name." WOW, they were really trying to protect her identity!!

Covert, shmovert. Someone just didn't bother to change her status when she became not-covert. That's why Chucky could only say that he was told he "would not be wrong" if he said she was covert.

Victoria Toensing, who helped draft the statute intended to protect genuinely covert agents, testified that Val was not covert under the statute. Chucky said statute scmatchut, she was covert. Then, I believe, he shut her up by saying he did not yield his time!!!! Guess he didn't really want to hear her testimony.

Yup, you lefties really have open minds.

My Opine
You are correct Bush can fire any of the attorneys that he wants to fire. Reason or no reason.

Okay, we agree.

Now Congress can investigate anything they want to investigate. Right?

As far as I know, none of the progressives are arguing whether he can fire anyone. That has been brought up by people trying to divert attention from the reason for these hearings.

WHY WERE THEY FIRED!

The allegation has been made that some of these firings were done because the attorneys involved were not pursuing the Democrats aggressively enough. In one case it is the allegation that the attorney did not pursue a Republican election loss aggressively enough. Finally in one case there is the possibility that an attorney was fired to prevent that attorney from pursuing a case against a Republican.

ALL of these case have potential criminal implications that are associated with them.

It is not only the prerogative of Congress to investigate these cases, it's why we elect them. It's called oversight.

Richard Nixon put Robert Bork in office as Attorney General to obstruct justice by firing the Special Prosecutor. The reason was that simple.

America deserves to know if this administration, Gonzales or anyone else, was trying to obstruct justice also.

Who better than a political criminal?
... to write about the criminalization of politics.

Tommy, we Democrats are 100% in support of your return to republican politics.

Polly
You talk about Victoria Toensing as if she is the be all end all of the issue.

Correct me if I am wrong, I'm certain you will.

Her statement that Plame was NOT covert is based on her (Toensing's) determination that Plame had not been overseas in five years. Correct? You have anything else from her where she substantiates that Plame wasn't covert.

The head of the CIA at the time that all of this occurred has said that she was covert. I'm sorry, but how does a lawyer who wrote a law, trump the determination by the head of the CIA? How does Toensing KNOW that Plame was not involved in anything overseas in the last five years?

I will take Hayden's determination over Toensing's any day of the week. Yes, because it fits my view but also because he was head of the CIA. Who's view would YOU find acceptable.

More to the point. Why do you deny that Michael Hayden has the authority to decide which agents at the CIA were covert and which ones weren't?

Polly, sorry to have brought up Plame...
... since the affair has nothing to do with DeLay. I only mentioned her because whining conservatives like DeLay love to claim they are unfairly singled out as "victims" while people they disagree with are not. She is an example of an innocent person just doing a life time of public service whose career was trashed for political reasons.

Conservatives can cry over DeLay and poor old Scooter. But you just spout the GOP party line hack job on Valerie without regard to the truth that she was treated just as badly.

In particular, you say, "Valarie could probably have avoided the whole thing by 1) NOT recommending her husband for that Niger trip,"

In reality, she claims she NEVER RECOMMENDED HER HUSBAND FOR THAT NIGER TRIP. Unless you have evidence she is lying about this we should take her at her word.

You say she should have discouraged her husband "from submitting that lie-filled NYT piece, which just begged for rebuttal;"

That's silly. Its not her responsibility to review what her husband writes. Her occupation is irrelavent to whether anything her husband writes has merit or not. I will leave alone the fact that I disagree with you it was "lie filled".

You say "SHE should be prosecuted for careless disregard of the necessity of her anonymity. Didn't she aid and abet her own outing?"

In what way did she do THAT? Sounds to me like you are advocating punishing the real victim here that my liberal heart bleeds for.

You say "she's living the life of a celeb now and seems to love every minute of her ruined life, apparently having learned to live with the extreme danger all her co-workers are now in."

Glad to know you are some kind of psychic mind reader that knows all about what she's doing and how much she enjoys it. I guess I could say the same thing about DeLay. He seems to be getting an awful lot of milage out of his "victim" status appealing to bleeding heart conservatives and a lot of free publicity for his new book.

Lynne
George Santayana, a notable philosopher, coined the phrase, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Lynne
Please send your article to Michael Hayden, I'm sure he'd appreciate learning that he was wrong classifying her as a covert agent.

dogjudge
It's my understanding that, among other evidence of Republican wrongdoing, one senator called one U.S. attorney and ASKED if any Dems would be indicted before the election. After he was told "no," he hung up. I have not heard that he stayed on the line, urging that prosecutions be expedited or in any other way tried to force the attorney to act.

So anyway, what happens when a U.S. attorney who is pursuing a case is fired? After Clinton fired all 93 attorneys, including the one pursuing Dan Rostenkowski, Rosty was still prosecuted and found guilty (though later pardoned by Clinton, of course). Doen't really seem like a totally effective way to stop prosecutions, does it?

dogjudge
Your allegations are precisely that, allegations.
I believe these charges are fictional and politically motivated.
If you will recall, Clinton was under investigation when he fired ALL 93 Invertigators!
What the attorney was investigating is not as important as how good a job he was doing.
This crap of Democrats demanding prosecution of any Republican they can possibly concoct some trumped up excuse for is just a little overdone.
You don't hear them howeling for the head of Ried or Jefferson or Abscam Jack Murtha!
It's all dirty politics and Republicans should fight back!

I think ethics charges should be brought against EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT for abuse of authority!

Busted!!!
Hey Tom--time for a reality check. You got busted, bug man. Gee, it would be refreshing if conservatives/republicans (I can't tell 'em apart) actually took responsibility for their actions, but they always blame someone else whenever they behave badly. Remember you went to Congress because you were pissed off that you couldn't use a certain chemical in your extermination business because it was too dangerous around kids and small animals. How dare the evil government snoop into your business, right Tom. See what happens when you inhale too much Raid. Hope you like jail.

Lynne
Looks like they failed to card another juvenile Progressive.

Lynne, Slacker
Slacker, see Lynne's post. Lynne, thank you very much.

One of the qualifications for "covert" under the Act in question is that the CIA is actively working to keep the identity of the agent secret. Oops. NOT in this case. Nor was the agent herself working to stay out of the limelight.

Novak was seeking the answer to the question of why in the world would the adminstration send Joe on this mission. He was told that his wife, Val, had recommended him as especially qualified for the mission. If you have a link to Val's denial that she recommended Joe for the mission, please post it. I have heard much discussion about exactly when she sent her recommendation, as the timeline she provided didn't jibe with other facts.

dogjudge

Let's ALL buy DeLay's book and award a prize for the best perversion that is posted of what he has to say.

At least there can be SOME benefit for those who like to bash on these posts.

Remenber: truth be damned.

dogjudge
It is not enough to be categorized as "covert" in order to fall under the Act. The CIA must be actively working to conceal the identity of the "covert" agent.

I'm going with Victoria. What no one seems to understand is that a statute's requirements must be met in order to prosecute under that statute. That fact is treated by the Dems as just a silly nuisance that doesn't really matter, but if you want to prosecute, it DOES really matter.

dogjudge, slacker, cowboy
I don't particularly admire Tom DeLay but I do resent the fact that the Democrats consider criminal indictments just another weapon in their arsenal.

Ronnie Earle's indictment of DeLay forced DeLay to step down from his Speaker position, because of a rule the Republicans instituted--though the Dems would never institute such a rule for their people. Who cares what it costs DeLay; he's out. Maybe someday he'll be tried. Who cares, his indictment accomplished the mission.

Mike Nifong panders to the blacks in N.C. by indicting several members of the Duke Lacrosse Team. So, maybe there was no crime, who cares, he's re-elected. Someday maybe they'll even try those Duke guys, don't much matter now, their indictments accomplished the mission.


To Lynne
The reason I mentioned it is that this is a favorite tactic of the libtards. If they can't debate the existing topic, they like to change the topic. On most blogs when a poster tries to hijack the thread the moderator pulls their comment and banns them. Generally I will not respond to an off-topic comment unless it has some relevance and/or it is something that is very short.


Congress contact with Fed Attorney
Just for you Dogjudge. Just a reminder,Ignorance is exceeded only by those who see the truth, but refuse to acknowledge it!

If calling a US attorney by a congressman (Senator) should be investigated. Keep reading and then demand an investigation.

you mean like this Chucky?


January 22, 2004
The Honorable James Comey
United States Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530


Dear Deputy Attorney General Comey:


I write to request an update on the investigation into allegations that senior administration officials committed a federal felony by leaking the identity of a covert CIA operative.


The investigation has been underway for four months now and we have received no meaningful reports regarding the progress you are making. I realize there are limitations on information that can be disclosed regarding an ongoing criminal investigation, but, as we have discussed, a prosecutor has the responsibility to assure public confidence in criminal investigations, especially those of such a serious nature.


In the wake of recent calls by former intelligence operatives for a Congressional investigation, I write to ask that you publicly answer several questions regarding the progress you are making:


Has a grand jury been empaneled in this case? Have members of the White House staff signed waivers, permitting journalists to discuss confidential communications? If so, what percent of the White House staff has signed such waivers? Has anyone who has been asked to sign such a waiver refused to do so?


Have journalists been interviewed as part of the investigation? Has any journalist who has been released from confidentiality (assuming any has), refused to answer questions regarding previously confidential communications?


Were White House staffers ordered as a condition of employment to submit to interviews? Has anyone asked for or been offered immunity? If so, how many individuals fit in each category and what types of immunity have been asked for and offered to each?


What other information can you provide us regarding the progress you are making with this investigation?


I look forward to hearing from you soon.


Sincerely,
Charles E. Schumer
United States Senator

Thrasybulus
Thrasybulus, weren't you paying attention durting the Libby trial? Cheney's handwritten notes on the Joe Wilson editorial, Cheney's personal instructions to Libby to go out repeatedly to leak information to the press, Cheney's selective de-classificiation of classified material, etc. were all done to squelch and stifle the reports that even then were beginning to surface. His fingerprints are all over this. I don't question Cheney's patriotic intentions but the verdict of the historians (except for a few lingering fanatics hoping for a miracle) is in: Cheney (and Rumsfeld) created a disaster worse than Vietnam. We, our children and our grandchildren will be paying for their ignorance and hubris.

will
Justice must be equal to exist.

To destroy someone by simple allegations without trail is not justice.
For Schummer to destroy someone with insinuations is not justice.

Shummer should face ethics charges for abuse of authority.

Trumping up fictional charges for political purpose is not justice.
I understand you Leftists think you should bring false charges against Republicans because you can't find any real charges and I know you think any criminal acts by a Progressive should be ignored but all Republicans don't agree with you in this matter.

Closing thoughts for the evening
In order to be a patriot, it is not essential that you be an angry, indignant moron. The two don't necessarily go together. There are even patriots who are soft spoken, moderate and thoughtful. So those of you who feel that you have to act this way to be patriotic, guess what: you don't.

Armitage, Jefferson?
dogjudge writes: "Monday, March, 19, 2007 3:38 PM Pauky I was trying to stay out of the Plame issue.
Have you been living in a cave recently.
Mike Hayden told the House committee that he considered Plame covert. He happened to be head of the CIA at the time all of this happened."

If you believe this, then should not Armitage be prosecuted? What about "frozen dough" Jefferson?

Delay has not yet been convicted of anything, as least not yet. Best wait for the Jury, maybe he will get the same baboons O.J. got.
Now I know how to smoke a weasel out of its hole, just publish Delay! Ha-Ha!



Tom DeLay
For more than 20 years I’ve been a Republican campaign strategist. I’ve also been involved in selecting candidates and selling them on the idea that serving friends and neighbors as an elected official was honorable. I continue to believe that!

Over the years, the media made approaching a honorable and honest person for elected office simply out of the question.

What the media lusted for was a dishonest politician. That prurient need became a self-full filling prophecy.

Of course there are dishonest elected officials. There are also dishonest journalists. Journalism was a great profession. I was a journalist for 28 years. I graduated from the best school of journalism! We lived unbiased reporting then.

Today, journalism is the only important profession that does not have a explicit or implicit code of ethics. Because of their loose cannon bombastic practice of journalism, they have shoved our Freedom of the Press at peril.

My old friend Tom DeLay is correct.

Iorek
One of my favorite parts of JFK's inauguration speech.

"So let us begin anew--remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate."

A lot of messages there that are apt for discussions these days.

lynne
please explain to me where you got the information of where and when plame was working and what she was doing.

you seem to have classified information and i would like to know the source for that information.
she took secret missions-if you aware of them would you please tell me when she took them.

who in the government released this information to you.

also lynne
please give me the name of one person who had DIRECT KNOWLEDGE of plames status who has contradicted plames testimony.

if you are going to call the director of the cia a liar i would like to know on what basis you made that decision.

will
i agree that one party having total of the government is not a good thing.

the last 6 years is a good example of what can happen.


MassachusettsLiberal
Can't you think of any response other than "whhhaaaahhhh"? You use this over and over and over. For God's sake, think of something else. What a retard. It sounds like you have Tourette's Syndrome- a condition notable for its tics and obsession with all things repetitive.

lynne
besides not responding to my posts i guess the guy quoted should get in touch with the dixie chicks who went through a similar experience.

both sides engage in this horrible behavior and i condemn anyone who does it from the liberal side.

The Righties on this site.

... just keep providing example after example of the neo- modern Conservative M.O.: If you repeat a lie often enough, it will start to seem true.

More and more, I come to the conclusion that to be a true believing righty, you either have to be fundamentally ignorant in some very basic way, or you have to have something significant left out of your moral compass. Translation? Either you're stupid or evil. Circumstances and experience keep shrinking the margin for any other possibility.

You libs are living a lie
I'm so damned tired of you liberals spreading your blatant lies to an underinformed public(of coarse the main reason they are underinformed is because you libs control the public school system). Richard Armitage leaked the name of Valerie Plame-Wilson. If that was a crime, how come no charges ever were nor ever will be brought to Armitage.
We have not lost the war in Iraq despite the best efforts of the democrats and the media. By the way, if you liberals succeed in defeating our efforts in Iraq in much the same way you accomplished that goal in Vietnam, it will be your children who will pay the price,THEIR LIVES, for your continued malpractice.
And yes, democrats and liberals ARE communists, actually they are straight stalinists, which is why they are unable to engage in honest debate, choosing rather to criminalize their political opponents.
It is you who have been crying about the actions of the only man in the country who is trying to save your sorry asses from Islamo-fascists who want to kill YOU! He has been called hitler by the very people who embrace socialism (and if you deny that you embrace socialism, tell me how your actions would be any different if you did).
If Joe Wilson wasn't a !@#-Damned liar, the whole issue of Valerie Plame's undercover status would be even more irrelevent.
And if that isn't enough to make you jackasses start braying even louder, try this one on for size: ALGORE NEVER WON THE STATE OF FLORIDA!

hank reardon
so by association than any republican who works on a bill with democrats is a stalinist huh?

the logic of your argument escapes me.

why are you so angry. you need to talk to someone about this cause your reaction is way over the top and not normal.

libs control the school system?

you must live in the one place in america where the school board is not elected by the community.

in every place i have ever lived, the books and curriculum was set by the school board.

will
The President should have fired ALL of Clinton's staff.
All of his leaks and problems were cause by being too soft hearted and FAIR.
You do not see any soft hearted or fair Democrats.
Republicans need to play Hardball by the same rules Democrats play!

When Democrats win, they take charge and do it THEIR WAY.
They are a bunch of habitual screwups and do everything wrong but they TAKE CHARGE!
Republicans win, they let Democrats keep screwing everything up and Republicans get the blame!
That is what torques me off about Republicans.
The future does not look any better for either of us!

religiouslib, you are proving my point
While it doesn't suprise me that logic escapes you, I will answer yes, any Republican who is stupid enough to go along with democrat/socialist bill is in fact a co-conspirator in advancing a communist agenda whether he/she knows it or not.
Why am I so angry? Because YOU liberals have spent your entire lives attempting to deprive me of my God-given freedom. Because if we implemented your ideas we would be slaves to the state in the final years of our republic before the terrorists kill us all. And mostly because the combination of arrogance and stupidity on the part of YOU PEOPLE is enraging to me, but hey, that's only because I love my country. Of coarse you wouldn't know anything about that(YES, I AM QUESTIONING YOUR PATRIOTISM).
And about the Education system, you are either lying through your teeth, totally blind, or completely naive if you can't see the leftist agenda in the whole damn system. But hey, I don't hate ya brother, just every thing you stand for.

no bs artist:
Don't hold your breath waiting for Delay to do
jail time. Ronnie Earle, the prosecutor in the
spurious case, is well known in Texas as a
partisan hack prone to bringing false charges
against political opponents.

His M.O. is to empanel, and lie to, as many
grand juries as it takes to obtain an indict-
ment, then delay actually taking it to court,
as he has done in this case. The point being,
I suppose, to inconvenience his victim for as
long as possible before the "case" is tossed.

It's MY hope that this vicious left-wing
attack dog sees the inside of a jail cell
himself, for prosecutorial misconduct. But
I'm not holding my breath, either.

lynne
the u.s. attorney generals who were fired were all republicans appointed by bush in his first term.

of course like most conservatives you don't know your facts.

look it up if you don't believe me.


Lynne
About wondering?
There is no statute of limitations on the murder of a Federal Employee.
The woman Teddy drown was a Federal Employee.
If Alberto Gonzales was to indite Teddy I wonder if his problems with Shummer would go away?

hank reardon
you know little of the education system. i am an elected school board member and i can tell you that all teachers, curriculum and lesson plans must be approved by the board and that is true in every school district i have ever known.if it is different in your town than get politically active and elect school board members that suit you.

see here is the thing.
how many liberals do you know.
are they all stalinists spending their lives trying to deprive you of your freedom.


Priceless......
#1 Tom Delay broke the law, and was one of the most vicious partisans out there.

#2 Anybody remember what the GOP did to Bill Clinton?

For Delay to cry about how mean the left is just has me in stitches.

Remember Travelgate?
And magic files that materialize on kitchen tables?

You know, if they ever close that Southern border and shut off the Progressive's gigglegrass we will be ankle deep in Leftist tears around here.

religiouslib
If I know little of the Education system it is because I went to publik skool. OK, so the school boards are elected. Are you actually trying to tell me do not totally dominate the curriculum after that? The fact of the matter is public schoolsa (and to a larger extent state-funded universities) are in the business of indoctrinating American youth with Marxism before they have the intellectual wherewithal to challenge them. Why is it that school kids are being forced to watch Algore's stupid pack-of-lies movie without a reciprical viewpoint? I know that that doesn't happen in every school district, but it is happening in sufficient proportion to warrant concern, especially since the whole concept of man-made global warming is dubious at best, which is something you ought to recognize, RELIGIOUSlib.
Yes, I do know liberals. I know them like every square inch of my wife's glorious body. From the moment I learned of my country's greatness and of how we got there, I have seen liberals doing everything in their power to tear her down. I have long since abandoned the prospect of understanding why they think (or more appropriately, feel) the way they do. My mission in life now is to defeat them. Godspeed.

Correction
I erred. What I forgot to write was Public Teachers Unions dominating the curriculum. My bad.

Public Schools
Thanks to Public Schooling, my 5 year old can add and subtract, play ball, spell and read. When I was 5, I couldn't do any of that. It seems Conservatives have forgotten how to add and subtract, because most of their charter schools are employed by and employing pedophiles and homophobes. 2+2= Neocons lacks nuts and brains.

To Mountain Rose
Glad to hear you're back in college, but this may lead to some problems. First off, unless you attend the Bob Jones University, you may hear some stuff you disagree with. For example, those teachers that you commend for teaching history may mention the Industrial Revolution and the labor movement and you will find out why child labor and the 72-hour week were outlawed and why government regulation of industry came to be. If you study The Great Depression you may hear why entitlements became necessary for (literally) keeping our great-grandparents out of the poorhouse. Science teachers will give you the pip too since few of them believe that God created the world in seven days four thousand years ago. Not to worry, though: you can always accuse your teachers of leftist bias and try to get them in trouble. Finally, after you get your degree you might be tempted to work at a paying job even though you appear to believe that woman's place is in the home and this surely will cause a conflict for you.

relilgiouslib

If you think the school boards control what is taught in the classroom, the people in Kansas will tell you differently. They are only one example.

What surprises me about the Liberals who post here are they cannot believe that somewhere in these United States there is actually people who disagree with their viewpoint. It is like they have been isolated on Mars and are visiting America for the first time.

What is even more interesting is that their exposure to TH causes them to really express who they really are. I am thankful for TH for that. They merely reinforce the Conservative opinion of the far left.

T. Tom Sawyer
I am very happy that your boy knows how to add and subtract. With that information I believe he is eligible to recieve a high school diploma.I might be wrong about that, but I'm sure you'll set me straight. Seriously, I hope he grows up to be a great American, capable of making his wildist dreams come true for himself and his family. What I fear is that he will go through thirteen more years of Publik skooling/marxist indoctrination and end up becoming a good little commie lib like apparently you are, T. Tom (by the way, "commie lib" is my answer to term "neocom").
As for your comment about "nuts and brains", I submit that your side has been given way more credit than you deserve for both.

There was a crooked man...
There was a crooked man
he flew in crooked planes to far off islands
he attended a crooked church
where all his crooked friends came to bribe him
He had a crooked wife
who opened acoounts at crooked banks and smiled
He talked his crooked morality
and traveled to Scotland in style
He wrote a crooked book I hope you don't buy it
because crime shouldn't pay every time Delay trys it



Sonny
right on.

wanda gag
that was some kind of an impressive "poem"

The bottom line
Tom Delay's description of the criminalization of conservatism by marxist democrats and their buddies in the Drive-By-Media is spot-on-accurate. Liberals do not care if they ruin someone's life, to the point of death, if it means forwarding their radical leftist agenda, that they dare not talk about. Take for instance, Lewis "Scooter" Libby. The man was convicted by a tainted jury for "lying" about the "outing" of Valerie Plame-Wilson. Three hours before the verdict was rendured, the jury was not even clear what the charges against Libby were. Yet they found him guilty of essentially not remembering when he learned that Valerie Plame was !@#-damn liar Joe Wilson's wife. !@#-damn liar Joe Wilson of coarse was lying about his discoveries in Niger, and it was learned that his wife had apparently set up the whole deal. Let me ask each and every one of you a question; when was the first time you heard that Valerie Plame was the wife of Joe
Wilson, a !@#-damn liar? You better answer correctly, or else you could be convicted if Patrick Fitzgerald ever gets you in his sights.
The Commielibs have almost completely obliterated any pretext of justice in the United States. To all you conservatives, we MUST hang together.

And furthermore
The conviction of Libby isn't even good enough for these leftists. They've already ruined the man. Yeah he might get a presidential pardon (I am not holding my breath), but his career and his reputation tainted for no reason. This is despicable in it's own right but more so when you hear Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid calling on the President to not pardon him, which they both did the day the verdict was rendured. What is the point of that? The man is already ruined for no reason, but that's not good enough for the left. They will not be satisfied until he is dead, so then they can p~ss on his grave. Ditto Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Limbaugh, pretty much anybody who disagreas with them. They are, collectively, shameful.

wanda gag - you post of 11:56 PM

Please see my post at 6:08 PM

No one can set hank's rear straight
The guy obviously knows everything there is to know. He who calls a guy a Lib Is neither Conservative, nor independent.

T. Tom Sawyer
C'mon dude, you can do better than that. And why don't you like being called a Lib, aren't you one?

T. Tom Sawyer
You done? Dissapointing. I guess you have to work too.

Parting shot
You are not qualified to say what or who a conservative is, or isn't. The more you try, the more ignorant you will prove you are. Comrade.

HankRearden
I have enjoyed each one of your posts...trying to get through to people like T.Tom Sawyer is nothing short of a miracle, and I give you a round of applause for even trying! As far as your comment to "wanda gags" and her poem...she probably went to public school just to learn that!In fact I dare say there may be a little plagiarism involved (hmm,public school has taught wanda well.)

As for Critical Bill: Please, you are just so articulate....can you possibly explain "maths class," "maths teacher," and"teaching maths?"
Couldn't have been a typo given how many times it was repeated. My son has been taught "goofy, has nothing to do with the class, envirophysics" in physical chemistry class by his teacher (an Al Gore devotee) so I know that Mountain Rose presents a valid point.

lies
"It is not even enough to vilify him publicly. You have to carpet bomb his life. You have to make sure that he leaves office disgraced, bankrupt, and heading for jail. You have to ruin him in every way, and then dance on his grave. This is what the political left in this country has brought us,"

The left? Republicans are responsible for the largest prison population increase in history, we imprison more people then China which is 4 times our size and "oppressive." It pisses me off when politicians, of any stripe, blatantly lie to divert attention or confuse the facts. The facts are clear that republicans love to put people in prison. Liberals as we know are always blamed for being weak in crime and letting repeat offenders off. Republicans are prosecuting a dying woman because she smokes pot as part of her treatment.

Not Ashamed etc...
Just to clarify my typo, in the UK we say "maths" not "math". In its longer form it is mathematics plural not mathematic singular after all, but to each their own...

Well, Let's See Now...
Mr DeLay says it is Democrats who destroy people for political gain. Would that be why, even though it has been seven years since Al Gore ran for public office, Republicans are still making fun of him? On townhall in the past week I have seen the old joke that Gore claimed to have invented the Internet (a statement he never made), he has been called Al Bore and Al the Whale, and we have seen many references to the amount of electricity used in his large home (we all know that rich Republicans light their homes with candles). Would that also be why when John Kerry attended an international economic conference in Switzerland, FOX News many times made reference to "the elite" on Swiss ski slopes without once mentioning that Kerry was there not to ski but to attend a conference? And that would surely be why the head of FOX sets Barack Obama equal to Osama bin Laden. Oh yes, it would explain why Karl Rove, who trained as a young man in Nixon's "Department of Dirty Tricks", is now advisor to George W Bush.

To Lilly
Albore has opened himself up to ALL of the ridicule that we have poured on him via HIS OWN actions with this AGW scam. In point of fact, he has broken the law with his advocation of a treaty in the UN that was of financial benefit to himself. If he had been a Republican he would have been in jail a long time ago.

Reading this column
and the replies of the liberals (read Fifth Column) to it reminds me of just how much I despise the left; always first to jump in on these threads, and never with any real substance, just venom. As God is my witness, I Hate liberals!

Hank Rearden
So, it must be frightening, surrounded by all those millions of communists.
Of course, it is just possible that it is all a construct of your mind. Fact is we are not stalinists and conservatives are not fascists. We just have different views and visions. I find it strange that no one has mentioned the late Senator Joseph McCarthy. There was a man who know how to smear. Socrates said, "know thyself and seek the truth." Problem is that many people, on both sides prefer comfortable, unthinking certainty to the discovery that issues are complex and that people are all too fallable.

liberals are not the enemies
good little commie lib like apparently you are, T. Tom (by the way, "commie lib" is my answer to term "neocom").


As God is my witness, I Hate liberals!



Democrats are good at avoiding the penalties (because they are thugs and crooks and masters of propaganda


well this is representative of the blame america first conservative thought.
i couldn't find it but yesterday on post someone said liberals were more dangerous than al-quieda.
of course the worst terrorist act other than osama bin laden was the bombing by mcvey who represents this type of thinking.

i am liberal because i am reigious.
there are millions and millions of christian liberals and just plain liberals who do not fit these charactures that the radical rightists on this board want them too.

hating millions of your fellow americans because they disagree with you is not patriotic.
i don't think that david duke, ted haggard or pat robertson represent all conservatives, but conservatives have lumped all liberals in the same boat.

it is sad and disgusting you should be ashamed to call yourself americans.

we are all in this together and if you don't understand that you need to move to another country where there is only one party and one way of thinking.

religouslib

Well, nobody can say you don't know how to pontificate.

Well done, oh wise one and all knowing.

You are validating my inherent distrust of liberals. Yes, there are Christians that are liberals; Jimmy Carter being the most visable.

Here is a guy who is anti-Zionist receiving funds from Arabs to preserve his legacy when Israel is the best ally we have in the Middle East. He is walking North while his butt is facing South. What chapter and verse is he looking at? Perhaps you can enlighten us?

Gonzalez and Rove
DO not let the lefty bloggers drive Gonzalez and Rove out of their positions. They don't care about firing att.'s general or anything except trying to dictate to and cripple this admin. Send counter emails as Hillary is asking her hordes to do.

sonny
thanks for the back-handed compliments, i wish i was as wise as you sarcastically put it.
i have lived long enough to realize the more i learn the more i have to learn.

well we established you hate jimmy carter but what does that have to do with condemning all liberals for the actions of a few.

are all conservatives like duke cunningham or ney or even newt?

just like conservatives most liberals have families, work hard and go to church.

why hate those people?

House Ethics Committee Disagrees Tom
I just came across this.