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Saturday, November 29, 2008
Tom Borelli :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama’s Grand Experiment: Global Warming Cap-and-Trade Policy
by Tom Borelli
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The prospect that President-elect Barack Obama may keep the Bush tax cuts until 2011 has some clinging to hope he will postpone his liberal ideas for the economy’s sake.

There’s little chance of that when it comes to global warming, however, an issue on which Obama puts his ideology first and the nation’s economic growth second.

In a recent video statement to the Governors’ Global Climate Summit, Obama displayed unwavering support for strong federal action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Sounding like he was auditioning for a role in Al Gore’s next film, Obama said, “The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear. Sea levels are rising. Coastlines are shrinking. We’ve seen record drought, spreading famine, and storms that are growing stronger with each passing hurricane season.”

Obama went on to promote his cap-and-trade policy, which, he said, “will establish strong annual targets that set us on a course to reduce emissions to their 1990 levels by 2020 and reduce them an additional 80 percent by 2050.”

Through regulation, Obama hopes to transform our economy while “saving the planet.” He says he will accomplish his ambitious goals by investing in “solar power, wind power and next-generation biofuels. We will tap nuclear power, while making sure it’s safe. And we will develop clean coal technologies.”

Obama is creating his own version of FDR’s New Deal and LBJ’s Great Society. In the middle of an economic crisis, Obama’s “Grand Experiment” is to build a federal bureaucracy to transform our economy by forcing it to run on costly unproven energy sources instead of established fossil fuels.

Under Obama’s cap-and-trade scheme, the government would set limits on industrial emissions of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide. Companies that emit more than their allowance must buy “carbon credits” from businesses whose emissions are under their allotment. Over time, the government ratchets down the allowance for all industry, which will increase the cost of emissions.

Fossil fuels currently supply 85 percent of our energy needs, while non-greenhouse gas-emitting sources (such as nuclear, wind, solar and others) deliver only 15 percent. Since alternative energy supply is limited, emission reductions targets will be met by decreasing demand for fossil fuels by raising prices.

In short, Obama’s “Grand Experiment” will raise energy prices, slow economic growth and increase unemployment.

The coal industry will be the biggest casualty. Obama’s commitment to “develop clean coal” is questionable. During the presidential campaign he said, "[I]f somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

Obama’s attitude about coal is consistent with that of the Democratic leadership and its special interest allies.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has said, “That is coal makes us sick, oil makes us sick; it's global warming. It's ruining our country, it’s ruining our world. We’ve got to stop using fossil fuel.”

Vice President-elect Joe Biden has said, “We're not supporting clean coal” and “no coal plants here in America.”

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), the new chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, is a long-time coal industry foe. Activist groups like the Rainforest Action Network demand a ban on coal use because, “‘clean coal’ doesn't address the massive social and environmental costs of mining, transporting and refining coal.”

It’s clear that coal, clean or not, is not acceptable.

Since coal is used to generate 50 percent of our electricity, cap-and-trade will push utility bills higher.

The Congressional Budget Office found that investors and workers in the energy sector would suffer losses due to the decline in energy-intensive industries. Not surprisingly, since Obama’s victory, investors have punished coal stocks.

The CBO also says the cost of cap-and-trade will be “borne by consumers, who would face persistently higher prices for products like electricity and gasoline.” The CBO adds that these added costs would preferentially harm low-income households.

The cost to consumers in not unknown to Obama, who has acknowledged, "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket..."

Despite overwhelming momentum for a ban on coal, some companies are in denial about the left’s war against coal. Recently, CEO Jim Rogers of Duke Energy – a coal dependent utility – participated in a press conference to voice his support of cap-and-trade legislation.

Rogers hopes a Congress run by Reid and Waxman and a President who promises to bankrupt his company will instead show mercy because he supported their cap-and-trade “solution.” Rogers’ fleeting effort is reminiscent of Neville Chamberlin’s failed appeasement strategy.

Obama’s steadfast support for cap-and-trade is increasingly putting him outside the mainstream, even the European mainstream Obama is said to greatly admire.

The European Union’s cap-and-trade experiment has been a resounding failure. At next week’s United Nations conference on climate change in Poland, nations will seriously discuss reducing commitments to limit greenhouse gas emissions because the price tag is too expensive, especially during a global economic crisis.

Will the economic crisis make Obama think twice about cap-and-trade? There’s no sign yet that it will.

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What Hussein says does not matter
we can count on him changing his mind. He really is the candidate of change because all he does is change his mind. If enough 'advisors' tell him it's bad for him to spend money on global warming when americans are jobless, he will put this idea on hold. So far, the only ideology Obama remains true to is the hope he will be re-elected so that he can show his true colors of dismantling our military and weakening our economy further. Until then, he will pretend to be a centrist with occasionals changes that will be blamed on the past 8 years of Bush policies.

Cap and trade
Is one of the biggest farces ever devised by the government. If this is implemented electricity rates will double or triple. Then all of the poor people that voted for him can see the danger this demagogue poses to them and America.

I can just see it now. It is Bush's fault for the skyrocketing electricity prices because he did not implement cap and trade so Obama has to make them more stringent than he would have done otherwise.

Just wondering!
I was just wondering if it has ever crossed Barrack Obama's mind that the Gobi, Sahara and other deserts have been around for thousands of years and they continue to get bigger; Ice once covered the World until global Warming caused it to melt; that the poor and the downtrodden have for one reason or another been with us since the beginning of Man; that try as we may to help,they will always be with us? Does he believe that he is "The one" who can make all this go away, just because of who he is? What an arrogant fool!

Just wondering!

Obama not a NATURAL BORN US Citizen!
MORE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE!!!

Here’s 2 responses back from South Carolina and Connecticut for request for records on Obama not being born on American soil:
1) South Carolina: RESPONSE FROM SECRETARY OF STATE SOUTH CAROLINA: PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO PAGE 2 IN WHICH THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF SOUTH CAROLINA [CAROL FOWLER] UNEQUIVOCALLY STATES THE CANDIDATES ALL QUALIFY FOR THE OFFICE IN WHICH THEY ARE RUNNING WHEN SHE'S NEVER SEEN OBAMA'S REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

2) Connecticut: RESPONSE FROM SECRETARY OF STATE OF Connecticut, BIG PROBLEMS WITH THIS FOR HER. He was supposed to be vetted BEFORE he ran for office - 3 months later her excuse is based on a PRESS CONFERENCE [not a court of law] where Hawaii officials never actually verified he was born in Hawaii - they only stated they have his original birth certificate "on file," and refused to answer if the original certificate of live birth was a Kenyan one or a Hawaiian one.

http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/secretary-of-state-resp onses-in-regards-to-request-for-obama-records/

America - you've been conned!

Demand Obama prove US born citizenship - it is our duty as American citizens to oversee our constitution, remember we do not have an emperor or a king, we have a democratic republic: for the people and BY THE PEOPLE: WE ARE THE PEOPLE!

Sign the petitions – DEMAND OBAMA PROVE HE’S A NATURAL U.S. BORN CITIZEN

http://moniquemonicat.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/%E2%80%A2-si gn-obama-petition/

Chief Justice Clarence Thomas will hear the case next week

Look what the money man thinks
He paid for the election of Obama and he is going to call the tune. It appears that he wants to be accepted as a saviour but he is really looking to be the agent of true "change" here in America. Watch, he says that Socialism is bad, Capitalism is bad so what does he want for a solution? He doesn't quite say but I will give you a hint - two letters - UN.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDiX9N0p1sw&feature=related

Globally tepid
The newspeak "climate crisis" (fka global warming) has been resurrected, regardless of the fact that the planet has cooled in the past 10 years.

It's always been political and there have always been the useful idiots ready to "protest" for it.

It's merely a power-grab technique. Hitler used liebensraum (sp?), Lenin & Stalin used worker's revolution, Wilson used WW I, Lincoln used the "Civil" War. They all attempted enormous increases in federal power. That's the holy grail for those pols who want a magnitude of increase in already-granted authority.

Some call it "management by crisis". Raum Emmanuel wants to take every advantage of the current crises to enhance Socialist-Democrat power. The problem is, that has to be the continual and immortal excuse. The granting of additional power to handle the current crisis will only last so long. When the crisis ends, will things go back to the way they were? No, but you can bet a brand NEW crisis will be in the wings.

Americans Believing Lies?
How many dollars does Barry have invested in alternative energy? His crony Pelosi has 25 mil invested in T.B. Boone pickens wind mill operation. Are the idiots in Washington prepared for the backlash that is brewing under the surface?

Stop EPA NOW! Today is Last day!!!
The EPA is making a huge power grab. Today is the last day for public comment on their plan to regulate CO2 as a "pollutant".
Go to http://www.StopEPA.com
The site will provide a vehicle to register your dissatisfaction with this Eco-socialism.
Heritage Foundation expert Ben Lieberman argues in a new analysis.

"Virtually every concern heightened by the eco­nomic downturn, especially job losses, would be exacerbated under" the proposed rules, he continues.

Cost the American economy nearly $7 trillion by 2029;
Result in millions of job losses, especially in the manufacturing sector; and
Impose burdensome new rules on families, businesses and ordinary regulations.

Time is short to stop the EPA
Public comments can help the EPA as it makes its decision about these onerous new regulations on carbon dioxide. But the deadline to submit your comments is Friday.

» Submit your comments today at StopEPA.com.


Stop EPA NOW! Today is Last day!!!
Sorry, I am a day late in my post. The thing to do is contact your representatives in Congress and tell them to intervene to stop the EPA.

The best way to get rich is
to get your friends in gov't to force people to use what you make..seatbelts or motorcycle helmets etc.
Now it's this algore created stupidity, he and his buddies are rolling in money because the dems are owned by the greenies.

Man is the most arrogant animal on this planet, to think that man can influence the weather in that way is ridiculous.

Stop cutting the rain forests would be better than bankrupting the nation with foolish garbage like this.

We can all get rich though, start a shell company and simply sell it's "carbon credits" to someone being hosed by these crooks in congress..if ya can't beat um etc etc.

I can't wait!
I want to see Hussein Obama walk across the water with little green men (that he got from some distant planet) with electric wands and say(in their language) POOF.
Then watch all the lights turn on, the wheelless vehicles go up and down the road & all our food appear and.........hell, i can hardly contain myself.

H2Oskier
Don't forget Der NAZI Pelosi's Paygo! Another great Democratic Ponzi scheme!

Obam is JACT. Just Another Chicago Thug.

The science IS in dispute
Contrary to Mr. Obama's assertion, the science is far from conclusive. This is not about science, it's about money and power.

It is doomed to failure since the biosphere isn't political. We can be thankful that McCain lost or it would be him doing it instead of Obama.

if you have the time
view this 4 part series on the Myth of Global Warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

The problem is, No Al Gore, the debate is not over, there is no consensus!

Sound Science
Obama says: "...The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear..." Unfortunately the conclusions drawn are not. What is clear is that the measure of the emissions and their impact on the environment are not clear and the cost to the consumer will be prohibitive. Cap and trade is a con game. You don't need to be a scientist to see that all this global warming nonsense is a great con to pad the pockets of the "green" teams. Working toward techniques that will minimize the negative impact on the environment while ensuring that we don't kill the economy is the only sound approach. The green people, like the Sierra Club, greenpeace etc. do not provide sound solutions - they are useful to remind us to be sound stewarts of the earth but should be ignored when it comes to actionable solutions. They and other similar activists cause more harm than good.

You forgot something
Seawolf,

What about CFL lighting? I own some for very specific applications such as my Christmas figures which I like to run a lot and regular bulbs were blowing the breakers.

I don't want to be FORCED to buy them OR 1.3 gallon toilets that need to be flushed at least 3 times. My 50 year old job does fine thank you.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

just a quick question...
...for the greenie-weenies: won't exorbitant electricity prices throw a wet blanket on your wet dreams of plug-in cars? something's gotta give- the laws of supply & demand are as absolute as the laws of physics.

Nuclear . . . Doubtful
Obama says he will "consider" nuclear power. I predict that's all he will do. Elections have many consequences. One consequence from Obama's election will be higher energy costs for all Americans. It will be interesting to see how he spins this to blame Bush and how the media left help him.

CAP & TRADE WILL ACCELERATE NEXT ICE AGE

.....GREEN GOON NEWS ALERT ...

....."A group of International scientists working in a heavily guarded secret enclave in the Swiss Mountains has concluded that the Earth has entered into a cooling cycle that will precipitate the next Ice Age ...

.....They predict that within a few thousand years, half of the Northern Hemisphere will be under a mile thick sheet of ice ...

.....Their recommendation is that the world's industrial powers must build CO2 generating plants to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere" ...

.....These findings are being kept secret to protect the scientists from green-goon hit squads ...COLOSSUS

WIND & SOLAR - NOVELTY TOYS


.....Wind and Solar apparently are the only energy sources approved by the Green Commies and their flunky Demoboobs in the Congress ...

.....Both of these sources are interrmittant and unreliable and certainly not cheap and will never supply more than a small fraction of our needs ...

.....The Green Goons are against hydro-electric dams ...fish might be harmed...
.....They prevent the harvesting of timber ...birds might lose their favorite nesting places ...
.....They are against the drilling for oil & gas for various eco-nut reasons ...
.....And they are against Nuclear because of radiation dangers ...

.....Maybe people bought this crap when gas was $2 a gallon but $4 gas has people saying screw the birds and caribou ...people come first ...

DEMOCRAT ENERGY AGENDA

.....In case any of you are curious as to why the Democrats so vehemently oppose oil production in this country ...Maria Cantrell, Democrat Senator from Washington State said "that it was the plan of the Democrats to "wean" America off the use of fossil fuels" ...

.....My question is ...what the h*ll business is it of the Feds to determine what kind of fuel we use or to use their power to interfere with the market place? ...Ms Cantrall didn't explain why it is necessary to "wean" us off anything or why they are also in opposition to Nuclear Power plants ...

.....My guess is that they want to destroy the Capitalist System and bring all industry under Government control which is Socialist Fascism ...MARX wrote that the the means to take over the government is by taking over the means of production ...first it will be Nationalized Health Care, then the utilities and the energy companies .....COLOSSUS

SUPPORT GLOBAL WARMING AND CO2

.....CO2 is not a pollutant it is a natural gas that supports floral life ...

.....I don't see how a claim that CO2 is a "pollutant" could stand up if challenged in court. ...

.....There is no evidence that the Earth is warming and this assertion should also be challenged in court and evidence should be presented to show that it would be harmful if the Earth became warmer ...

.....I could argue that the Earth would benefit from a warming cycle .....COLOSSUS

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice
You can bet he’s going to push his liberal agenda and he’s going to use the economy as the excuse via FDR. With the media in his pocket, he’ll have smooth sailing. After all would a school girl with a school girl crush on a boy say anything bad about the object of her affection? We have evidence of the school girl crush relationship at, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com

Obama intelligence
Obama's speech on global warming is conclusive proof that he doesn't think for himself. It's also proof that he is nowhere near as intelligent as every news outlet or liberal thinks he is. That he garnered the vote of 60 plus million idiots isn't proof either, nor is the fact that he is a proponent of failed ideology.

Those of us following this fraud have observed that not only do the data point in exactly the opposite direction, mother nature isn't cooperating in the least with this ignorant fraud.

Hansen was recently found to have copy and pasted Russia's September temperature data into Octobers data set. Then he came out and proclaimed "global warming" valid again. The fool thought no one would catch him faking the data.

The most recent temprature map shows dramatically reduced temperatures with warming limited to a very narrow band in the far north, just about every place else on the planet showed below normal temps.

Anyone believing this massive world-wide fraud now needs to have their head examined. The track record of climate science is a series of failures and weather predictions from day to day are grossly inaccurate. Scientists need to restore the credibility of their community and come out with the truth before mother nature obviates the need and the credibility of scientists everywhere is destroyed. But, as Gump says, "stupid is as stupid does", I've never seen that more accurately portrayed than among the "globullshit warming crowd".

DON'T TREAD ON ME!


False Theory, Big Scam
You don't have to be a climate scientist to understand that the theory of anthropogenic global warming is false. You only need to know two facts and apply a little common sense.

First, global mean temperatures have been declining since the most recent peak year of 1998. This global cooling is occurring in spite of the fact that we have continued to emit increasing amounts of CO2 and other human caused "greenhouse gasses" into the atmosphere over that time. If the theory were true, every year should have gotten hotter. It hasn't.

Secondly, the human generated component of atmospheric CO2 is insignificant. It accounts for about 0.117% (less than 2/10ths of 1%) of all greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. The vast majority of atmospheric CO2 comes from natural sources. Even at that, it currently amounts to no more than 380 parts per million. Even if we could completely eliminate the human component (impossible), it would have no detectable effect on global mean temperatures and yet a devastating effect on our economy.

The environmental left has hoodwinked the public into believing an unsupportable theory. On the basis of that theory, our President Elect has vowed to implement an unnecessary massive government program that, by his own admission, will cause energy costs to "skyrocket". Unless we find a way to stop it, we're about to become the victims of the biggest scam in all of history.

Ticket to Totalitarianism
The purpose of the Anthrogenic CO2 Induced Climate Change doctrine is to justify totalitarian control of our energy usage.

Ever notice how 'they' constantly insinuate 'climate change' without ever referring to the proof of ACO2ICC? They just talk about it as though it had been proven, but can't point to when or how. It's the Big Lie propaganda technique.

Ever notice how this has NEVER been a campaign issue in play? Neither Gore nor Bush talked about it in 2000. OtOH, Bozo McCain was the only one saying he'd do basically the same "cap & trade" scheme Obama favors; i.e. there was really no debate, just him saying he'd do it regardless of the science because energy rationing is the right thing to do regardless! Kool-aid chugging chump! Barry O could just stealth the whole issue.

Ever notice the CO2 elephant in the room, Chinese & Indian industrial & power emissions? What is the elitists' plan for motivating those countries to shut down their new coal plants? How will we keep from bleeding manufacturing jobs to those countries? Will we restrict imports if they don't cut CO2 emissions? Isn't it a matter of life or death for 'the planet'? If not, then is this so important at all? That was the fallacy that knocked down the Kyoto treaty.

The dominant element of the Left & the big-gov establishment thinks abundant energy for the masses, & American prosperity generally, is a Bad Thing per se.

Ever notice how ACO2ICC seems to justify not just hi taxes & energy rationing, but virtually every fringe-left big-gov agenda out there, from "new urbanism" to militant vegetarianism to one-world government? Could that, & not this secret proof of its validity, have something to do with the popular support the idea gets?

Maybe the actual prospect of a bill will finally START the debate that Al Gore presumed to declare already "over."

Global Hoax
Last night flipping thru channels I saw on Oprah the Al Gore rerun of his global warming doom and gloom debacle. Poor Oprah was buying everything that nut had to say and all the sheep in the audience acted accordingly. Checking facts seems to be beyond a lot of people as they just take the news and run with it as far left as they can. The earth is now in a cooling pattern and not a global warming pattern. There is more ice now at the North Pole, not less. How can anyone who lives in the US actually think it is getting warmer when in most parts the temps have been lower, not only in the winter but in the summer. The brains of mush in college are buying whatever is fed to them and I think to counteract that we all take some college courses to screw up the professors. What could be worse for a prof then having a bunch of middle aged conservatives with knowledge in their classes? The likes of William Ayres can't get away with their distorted views if challenged in an open forum. The only problem would be finding time to do this because most conservatives are out producing every day and leading constructive lives. But think about it, it probably is the only thing that can counteract what the kids in college are being taught as fact today.

Obama and trees

Obama thinks Carbon Dioxide is a pollutant.

If Trees could talk, they would disagree with that.

Not about Global Warming.

This is not about Global Warming.

This is about corporate welfare and making millions by giving taxpayer money companies that do alt. energy research.

These companies can not make money through hard work and innovation so they are lobbying the Government to bail them out.

Eco-Lobbyist have the Democratic Party in their pocket.

SUPREMES TO BE WATCHED THIS WEEK!
December 1st and December 5th...

Two big days for the Constitution this week. Decisions to be made on the movement of the Berg and Donofrio lawsuits.

Stand by for earth-shattering news!

nuclear power
Obama says he is for nuclear power..as long as it's "safe" and there's safe storage of nuclear waste.The CATCH is that Sen.Harry Reid of Nevada(NIMBY) AND Obama are both against the Nevada Yucca Mtn storage site,the best and safest site in the US. Combine that with their anti carbon(coal,oil,nat.gas) position,and America's electric supply will be cut by at least 50-60 %,a terrible blow to our economy and world status. Auto and truck transport will be crushed,too.

Re-inventing Failure
It seems like every policy that Obama is advocating from a European style socialist society to his, "can the coal, full solar power ahead" determination, has failed miserably wherever it has been implemented.

Obama ignores the sage wisdom of Philosopher George Santayana; he isn't content to learn from history's failures, he wants to relive them. Moreover, he could care less about the pain and misery his stubbornness creates, it’s the principle of the thing dammit.

I propose a survey. As with the census, every household should be made to declare their position on global warming, cap and trade, the use of fossil fuels and their reverence for electric cars. Those advocating these solutions will be switched to existing forms of this energy immediately.

When old man winter huffs and puffs and blows their houses down however, they had better not try running to safety and warmth of those of us "un-enlightened brick-heads" still consuming those filthy carbon based products.

coal
Is obama so stupid that he doesn't realize that his policies will drive up energy prices so high people will forego food to heat their houses.Energy generating plants will pass all costs on to the consumer.

We've seen this before
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the public thinks or what the science
dictates. The pols have decided that they are going to address this 'problem' come hell or high water because it gives them a new entity to tax and regulate. They did the same thing with 'acid rain'. Do a search of NAPAP and learn how government studies showed that there was no acid rain problem. It didn't matter because the EPA regulatory mechanism had already been put in place and once the juggeraut starts down hill it's all over; science and facts be damned.

DEMS DOWNFALL WILL BE $4 PLUS GASOLINE
The Dems energy policy is ridiculous and will result in $4 plus gasoline and skyrocketing electric prices.

That will be their downfall that even the media can not excuse away.

Norm (CO) @10:12
You are correct regarding Obama's intellect (or lack thereof).

The left wallows in the self-delusional insistence that they and all their candidates are erudite intellectuals, far superior to the mediocre intelligence of the average human.

The libs held the bumpkin Clinton in high esteem for attending Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. Clinton only attended a couple of classes and used the time to party in Europe (probably inhaling all the time).

Any lawyer knows enough not to lie under oath. Keep quiet or make a deal, but don't go on record with a lie. Clinton was DUMB, brother.

Obama's "climate crisis" speech indicates he's pandering to the green meanies, not as an intellectual but as a politician. What Obama is too dumb to understand is that the green movement is an extreme radicalization of the conservation movement from a century ago. The greens will demand radical changes that Obama can't (I hope) institute. Obama has one foot stuck in the tar baby. (Joke intended.)

Congress's power to raise energy prices
The Associated Press reports that a developer has halted plans to construct a coal gasification facility in southwestern Indiana. The coal gasification process turns coal into natural gas; the process also removes pollutants. But apparently NOT CO2, as the reason given for the halt is the "uncertainty about what limits on greenhouse gas emission, such as carbon dioxide, will be imposed on coal plants by the new Congress of the administration of President-elect Barack Obama," which would add capital costs to the gas the plant could yield, especially if the plant would have to capture carbon.

So it begins....

This hoax has gained far more steam than the global cooling/coming Ice Age scare of the '60s and '70s. This despite the fact that an ice age would make life far more uncomfortable than a warmer planet would! As a kid, I was mildly frightened by the thought of the new Ice Age; as an adult, I'm REALLY afraid of man's "cure" of Earth's warming.

Electric vehicles
Did everyone see the article on the death of the Telsa electric car? http://editorial.autos.msn.com/landingpage.aspx?cp-documen tid=720175&landing=newcarresearch&topart=newcarresearch&ici d=684>1=22018

Electric cars are still a pipe dream and will be for a long time.

Bait & Switch
The real motive behind C&T has nothing to do with energy and everything to do with the lust for control over every aspect of our lives. Its advocates use fear and coercion in their effort to force us to live like the Amish(no cars, no electricity, and no indoor plumbing) so they can keep their private jets, stretch limos, and long hot showers. It sounds less like cap & trade and more like roll up your arm & bend over.

Science at Harvard
I was reading an interesting article the other day that was examining the university backgrounds of the various "soon to be" cabiniet members and other potential White House Staff. The dominate universities were Harvard, Harvard Law, Yale, Princton, Stanford and so forth. The bulk of them beloning to the elite of the northeastern universities.

Do any of these elitest universities even require a basic science course as part of the undergraduate curriculum? I really wonder if any major university bothers with the fundementals of Science anymore.

That said,I do not believe that lack of basic scientific knowledge has anything to do with the acceptance of the totally unscientific premise of Global Warming aka Climate Change as the result of man made CO2 and Methane emissions.

The acceptance and promotion of this monumental ALGORIAN SCAM/HOAX has its roots in Greed and Global Socialist Dogma. The "Cap and Trade" rationing of Carbon Emissions including, sit down please, animal (eg dairy cattle) flatulence is a very poorly diguised raid on the huge pocketbook of Uncle Sam (read that We The People)

The perpetrators of the scheme stand to become obcenely rich while huge new governmental agencies and "carbon police" (read that Fart Police) are created. At the same time huge chunks of american treasure will find its way into UN and similar international agencies totally at war with our way of life.

Does anybody not understand that this will lead to some form of Gasoline Rationing??? The crippling of the unique american ability to travel anywhere in the country without restriction has long been a target of the left. Gasoline rationing under some guise of "carbon emission control" will restrict travel. How long do you think it will be before the old Fruits, Veggie and Plant check points are reopend with a new mission??

This thing has got to be stopped.

PC is Thought Control
LEE


Barry is not a god!!!
I would like see him reverse the mess we are in that would be a miracle.
He by far is already the biggest liar and God does not look good upon liars and that is a fact. He couldn't even tell the truth as far where he is really born much less what he really believes in so anybody things he is a god he is not and that is a fact. Barry is not an American he is an African he was born in Africa his grandmother didn't mind telling all of us that she was so proud that she was is in the operating room when he was born and she is in Africa. Furthermore when his blood father died she married a man from Indonesia they moved to Indonesia and he had to become Indonesian in order to go to school there because they were at war at the time and that was the law.
Somehow by magic he became a United States Citizen born in Hawaii born in two (2) different hospitals this man is so amazing I can't even express it and that is a fact.
He also lied when he said that he would take public funds after McCain he would but he changed his mind because he knew there won't be enough money to buy the White House and that is a fact.
I always was told NEVER EVER believe a liar but everyone did hook line and sinker.

Cap & Trade?
Perhaps what we really need to do is cap all the hot air & bull hockey emitted from "The One" and all the politicians, especially the Liberal Elite in Foggy Bottom.
There's a lot of lost energy & pollution that could be used to power this country for generations to come.
What a crock this bunch has to offer.
Get out your ration cards.
Gore, the man who invented the internet is dancing in the streets.

Some Green History and Engineering
Back in 1976, as a college engineering student, I headed up a team to compete nation-wide to develop an alternate energy "solution". That was all the rage back then because Jimmy Farter was already leading the country into an artificial energy crisis. The basic goal was to supply a typical house with electricity for a daily enegy demand curve.

I won't bore you with too many details, but I chose solar, so it required storing for use at nignt, etc. We worked for two years, and never could really solve the problem.

More than 40 top Universities from across America fielded teams, and nobody could solve the problem, using solar, wind, wave, geothermal... ad nauseuem technologies. Admittedly, that was thirty years ago, but if things were really any more viable now, don't you think there would be a "Microsoft" of energy company out there by now?

A very important lesson I learned from that experience was that one of the rules was that we had to submit "cradle-to-grave" energy audit on how much energy was expended in creating our device, and whether over a 20-year life it could ever produce more energy than it took to create all the materials, etc. to produce the device. The answer in all cases was a resounding, NO!

That lesson has stuck with me all these decades, and has most recently been proven again with the Ethanol fiasco.

So, you can't even think about Cap-and-Trade without some viable alternative (except Nuclear, without all the silly red-tape). And when B-HO talks about creating so many "Green Technology" jobs, he's just talking about another taxpayer-funded fiasco.

TWEEDLE DEE AND TWEEDLE DUMB AS A ROCK
These people(Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, Cox, Biden, and chief idiot in charge Sorento) are dangerous and need to be eliminated from the seats of power.

The obvious questions are...
Is his legal name Barack Husssein Obama?

Was he ever legally named Barry Soetoro?

If he was, when did he change his name and did he do it legally?

If he did it legally, then where are the court papers, the birth certificate, the college application papers?

In fact where is there any documentaion proving who he is to the Amercan people?

Is he Barack Hussein Obama or is he Barry Soetoro?

Will the REAL Barack-Barry Hussein Obama-Soetoro please stand up?

Anyway, I cannot wait until we undo ALL of his LAWS - especially his EXECUTIVE ORDERS because he is NOT a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN and not elegible to be POTUS.

BTW, Don't you just love his choice for Secretary OF the IRAQ War - BUSH'S boy ROBERT GATES?

THAT's change you can believe in, for sure!

Miltm good comment
I too worked on the solar energy conversion program while at Motorola Semiconductor in the mid 1970s. The concept was to create an array of solar reactive transisters packaged and pluggable into larger arrays in the form of "Solar Panels"

We, and the industry in general, ran into exactly the same "20 year" wall that you mentioned. Quite simply put, "the energy cost so exceeded the energy generated that there was a significantly negative Return on Energy Investment.

That problem is essentially the same today as it was then and encompasses similarly "Wind Turbines", GeoThermal, Oceanic, and other such "New Energy Sciences".

The one technology that should have resolved a significant portion of our reliance on fossil fuels has been halted in its tracks by moronic environmentalism, extreme and ridiculously costly safety requirements (both during construction and operation), and NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) at the local level.

Nuclear is the best "near Term" solution but realistically the environmentalists and the predatory attornies will tie this solution up for years.

The saddest part of the Nuclear Energy debacle is this: If we had proceeded with large scale implementation of Nuclear Energy using fission technology doesn't it occur to anyone that we would likely be much nearer (mabey solved) the riddle of viable Fusion energy. Virtually every negative attached to the use of Fission technology goes away using Fusion.

Research does not happen in a vacumm!

PC is Thought Control (Even in the Sciences)
LEE

One other point
Remember this summer when the cost of gasoline soared. What happened to the cost of everything else? All other cost went up accordingly. So, when on one hand Obama says he is for the poor person and on the other he says he is going to implement policies that will cause our energy cost to skyrocket how is this going to effect the poor person. They will not be able to afford anything because everything will be much more expensive.

It's impossible
to deal with folks like Pulosi and Reid because of their dishonesty. During the campaign they kept scolding the Oil Companies about not drilling on the land that they already lease. Of course they make those statements in the safety of their pals, the press, all along knowing full well that they aren't drilling because the patsies of the left have them tied up in court. They are just hell bent on putting our heard earned money where their mouth is. As an industry, big oil spends considerable money on R&D in alternative fuels, it is in their best interest.

destructive policies
There are alot of people uninformed / and in denial about Mr. Obama's destructive policies

Too much reliance on science!
I hate the way people cling to the idea that something is "proven by science" as irrefutable validity. Don't they realize that in the history of science, many many things that were "proven" to be or not to be - sometimes without a shadow of a doubt (not even the case with gw) were later proven to be wrong....

Remember when leading astronomers swore up and down (and even had photographic "proof" via crude early telescopes) that there were canals on Mars? And that these canals appeared as though they were structures created by an intelligent civilization? Remember decades ago when most all paleontologists declared that dinosaurs all dragged their tails on the ground - and for many years dino fossils were displayed that way in respected museums?

This is where we are today on global warming. However, at least with the Mars canals and dino tails, no sweeping government policies were enacted based upon these scientific "facts"! No one lost their job or company over these errors.

Today we have more than ample evidence that lead exposure causes brain and neurological damage; therefore legislation to ban lead from various products is not without merit. But considering all the millions of years earth has had an atmosphere (and most of those millennium humans didn't even exist), some people attempt to take data from a century or so to "prove" climate change. Gee, I'd be kinda surprised if earth's climate didn't change over the years... Worse yet, there is absolutely no proof at all as to what has caused this paltry 1 degree + or _ temp change in the last 200 years.

To base dramatic policies on such shaky data is folly and it will cost us dearly.

left wing lies
Global warming is nothing but left wing lies and Al Gore is trying to make another fortune off of it. Obama is an idiot.

Schrecken From MD

I can remember when scientists at MIT said it was impossible to dock to space crafts in outer space.

Global Cooling
may be more real than global warming.

This is a good British movie that refutes Al Gore's movie.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swind le.php

Also, here is a NOAA site that shows a satellite view of the north polar region and it's ice and snow. This appears to be growing, not shrinking.

http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nh_snowcover/

Finally, here is a NOAA site that shows the heating degree days, by city, each week in the U.S. This data shows the U.S. is roughly 16 percent COLDER this year compared to last year, and only 5 percent warmer than the long-term, 30-year average. The data is updated each Sunday. Note that the cold part of this winter is yet to come.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/c dus/degree_days/wctyhddy.txt

The warming alarmists now say that the reason the air is getting colder is that the CO2 is bouncing the heat back into the Pacific Ocean, where the water is slowly getting warmer. They also state that it is consistent with global warming for there to be unusually severe snow storms and ice. So, when glaciers retreat, it is due to global warming. When glaciers grow, it is also due to global warming.

Has anyone ever raised kids? And heard their whopping lies when they get caught? And then even more outrageous lies when confronted with the first lie? Does any of the warming alarmists' spewing resemble that?

Roger E. Sowell

And so it Goes.
This was McCain's position, and it is also Obama's position. It's probably just as well McCain wasn't elected, this, along with immigration reform and a variance of health care would've been hung on the GOP for all time.

If you can't beat 'em...join 'em
I live on five acres in the northwest. Four of the acres are covered with evergreens, pine, fir and spruce. Since they are sucking up CO2 continuously year round, it appears I can be a seller when it comes to cap and trade.

In addition, I've found out that tree farmers are entitled to farm subsidies. Well we get new trees every year just as a result of nature.

Next? Grants are available to those involved in forest management to pay for things like roads and such. ( My driveway could use some fresh paving.) My property is now listed as a "wood lot resource" which requires me to retain the forrest nature of the property or loose $25/year in property tax savings.

And here I bought the place just because I thought it was a nice place to live!

I do hope that my tongue in my cheek is visible over the internet.

Obama has painted
himself into a corner and it is going to be interesting to watch him try and get out of it. Current economics will put the kabash on his global and social agenda. Anything he enacts will kill any growth gains he would make economically.

The Global Warming Crisis is real!
But it's not what you think. There has been no warming since 1998 and the earth has been cooling about 1.1 F per decade since 2001. The crisis is so many scientists have been co-opted by 'Fat Albert' Gore and his syncophants. The crisis is that so many politicians and would-be dictators (but I repeat myself) are trying to bankrupt America. The crisis is that anyone, especially the media, is listening to the green, fascistic morons.

Perhaps making fun of them is a way to neuter them. Do you know how the greenies change a light bulb? They hold it up to the socket and wait for the world to turn around them!

... or the greenie who went to his family reunion to find a date?

I stand with Gingrich
Newt Gingrich makes the following two points:

1. Anthropomorphic global warming has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. Anybody who says "it's all a big hoax" on the part of thousands of the world's top scientists, comes off as a paranoid nutcase.

2. What we *DO* about it, on the other hand, is worth debating. We've dealt with other threats to the environment successfully before: We've cleaned up the air and the water, despite the cries from industrialists that the economy would tank. We banned halocarbon chemicals, and now the hole in the ozone layer is gradually repairing itself.

We can deal with global warming too. The simplest solution, with minimal interference to the economy, is to enact a carbon tax. The more carbon a car or a factory puts out, the higher the tax on it.

Or we can do it Obama's way, with Government micromanagement of the economy with all the problems that will ensue.

But one way or the other, we have to do something about it. It's NOT a hoax, and I really have no time to hear from loons who keep claiming that it is. They're the modern equivalent of flat-earthers or creationists (another species of loon I don't have time for either).


@ Steve
So those that disagree with you are flat earthers? Here are a whole series of articles from the highly respected Investors Business Daily that refute global warming http://www.ibdeditorials.com/FeaturedCategories.aspx?sid=1 802&cid=
Hardly a bunch of "flat earthers".

AGW = HOAX ! Can Truth prevail?
If Obama and all the true believers would bother to educate themselves we could be spared untold misery and economic ruin. Over 30,000 scientists have signed a petition disputing
man-made global warming, but NO ONE will listen!!!
Check out the Science and Public Policy Institute (SPPI) website. You will find real science info there, not this pathetic Gore/Hansen propaganda. Obama is a political 'genius' but woefully ignorant on this subject. We will all pay dearly for his lack of knowledge. Bush is far smarter than the media's darling - at least on this topic.

SteveL
Junkscience.com is offering $500,000 to anyone who can prove man-made AGW. Somehow "thousands of scientists" have failed, but you just may be the one to collect!

Stop wasting your time with us ignorant "flat-Earthers" and go get paid!!

I'm selling duct tape......
To all of us Americans about to get the great bendover because of a fraud / fantasy known as global warming.

Like all things liberal, this will fail too, and once again it will hurt the ones that the moonbats love.....Unions.

Its the unions that are in steel, automotive, coal, oil, commodities, etc, etc. All highly energy intensive.

All things that the moonpies love to hate

So.....Unions gave their votes to Waxmans ilk.....and now Waxman is smiling as he is turning the knife in the Unions backs.

How fitting.........

Obama Ruination
So, “The science is beyond dispute and the facts are clear," hmmmm? Yep, totally closed mind just like Algore.

Sorry, BHO, but it's looking like the science is now beyond dispute with clear facts to exactly the OPPOSITE. GW is a hoax as most intelligent people now know.

The sad thing is that McCain would've gone this route, too. Why don't these people wake up and do the research, instead of trailing behind by years?

And, as has already been pointed out, the US and the world cannot possibly afford these shenanigans.

Obama truly means ruin-nation.

Haha
"Sorry, BHO, but it's looking like the science is now beyond dispute with clear facts to exactly the OPPOSITE."

Yup. I get nightly reports on the news about how global warming is not happening...oh wait its the OPPOSITE. Your side of the arguement doesnt even get airtime anymore its so laughable.

HOW WILL MSM BREAK BAD NEWS TO MASSES?
If something big happens soon (as in this week) on B.O.'s birth certificate litigation, and, when all is said and done, the result is that Comrade Obama cannot take the oath of office, how will the MSM media break the news to the adoring fans of "The One"?

Has anybody even thought of this scenario? The MSM, by not acknowledging that there is even litigation in progress, will have to tell them that all of a sudden, out of the clear blue sky, B.O. cannot be the Prez. Then, of course, they will charge anybody who is against B.O. as the instigators of a racist plot to prevent him from being the first African-American to reach the highest office in the land.

Obama
I think he'll follow through on his promises.
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