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Saturday, June 14, 2008
Tom Borelli :: Townhall.com Columnist
General Electric Brings Big Government To Life
by Tom Borelli
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Last week’s Senate debate over Lieberman-Warner – the America’s Climate Security Act – brought to national attention an under-recognized yet rising threat to liberty and limited government: corporate America. Several of the largest corporations worked with environmental special interest groups and left-wing politicians to pass so-called “cap-and-trade” legislation to address global warming concerns.

By pushing for the legislation, these companies hoped to get revenue in the form of government subsidies plus accolades from the media for taking measures to “save the planet.” Never mind the impact on the everyday citizen, who pays for it all with higher taxes and increased energy prices, a loss of liberty, a reduced standard of living and fewer consumer choices.

Companies seeking government subsidies and tax breaks to enhance profits is not a new phenomenon. What is different is the formation of the United States Climate Action Partnership (USCAP) coalition, which combines the muscle of corporate money from disparate industries with the influence of environmental special interest groups. This coalition is an order of magnitude more powerful than individual companies looking for corporate pork. This is especially important since the bill would have created, according to the Wall Street Journal, "the most extensive government reorganization of the American economy since the 1930s."

The alliance between companies and the Left is an outgrowth of the Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) movement, in which left-wing shareholders and special interest groups target companies to win the hearts and minds of CEOs.

The Corporate Social Responsibility movement is using climate change as a barometer to measure the “corporate responsibility” of a company. Companies who adopt the notion that man’s activity causes global warming are deemed “responsible” and given a reprieve from protests, shareholder proposals and negative publicity.

Moreover, companies that join activists in pursuing global warming-related regulations are promised a “seat at the table” to help shape legislation, while companies that resist climate change alarmism are punished.

As the social and political momentum has grown for legislative action to combat climate change, companies have developed business strategies based on government regulation of greenhouse gas emissions.

Companies with weak leaders and poor stock performance seem especially vulnerable to the temptations of the Left.

GE provides a case in point. GE’s share price has fallen during CEO Jeff Immelt’s seven-year reign. Now Immelt seeks the visible hand of government to guarantee revenue and, perhaps, protect his job.

Immelt became a leader in seeking cap-and-trade legislation to promote sales of renewable energy equipment, like wind turbines, that tap energy sources that are not cost-competitive without subsidies. GE also wants to profit by trading in the carbon dioxide market.

Immelt has used the vast resources of GE to drive his green agenda. NBC Universal – a GE-owned company – promoted an environmental theme in two weeks of programming advertised as “Green Week” and Earth Week” during the past year. In each case, “green” themes were included in the program content.

Immelt also appears to be a good lobbyist among his peers. Two GE board members, James Mulva, CEO of ConocoPhillips, and Robert Lane, CEO of Deere & Co., also have had their companies join USCAP. Mulva is particularly active in supporting cap-and-trade, although cap-and-trade has the potential to increase the cost of ConocoPhillips’ U.S.-based refineries and harm the firm’s investments in Canadian oil sands.

GE also uses its lobbying budget, which is the biggest in corporate America. Over the past few years GE has spent more than $20 million to influence elected officials. This is more than the pharmaceutical trade association spent in 2007.

Ironically, despite its social engineering aims, GE’s cap-and-trade strategy could backfire on its business. Gambling future revenue on lobbyists is a risky strategy, as the whims of elected officials and bureaucrats change like the weather.

It’s also hard to imagine how a company the size of GE would prosper given the negative impact of cap-and-trade on the overall economy. Larry Kudlow of CNBC - a GE-owned network - polled a panel of economic and financial experts on whether the cap-and-trade bill would help or harm the U.S. economy. Ten of the 12 experts said the bill would be harmful.

Over 31,000 scientists have signed a petition refuting the claim that a relationship between human activity and catastrophic change in the Earth’s climate has been proven. GE certainly has the technical capability to understand the present scientific limitations of climate science, despite the “science the settled” nonsense promoted by the U.N. and Al Gore.

In advancing Immelt’s climate change business strategy, GE is ignoring contrary scientific and economic data. While GE’s actions may make the activists in the left’s Corporate Social Responsibility movement happy, GE’s actions are irresponsible.

Perhaps the most important lesson from the debate of Lieberman-Warner is the recognition that CEOs can be as much of a risk to liberty and limited government as any left-wing politician - a development too important to ignore.

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Thomas J. Borelli, PhD. is the editor of FreeEnterpriser.com and Director of the Free Enterprise Project at the National Center for Public Policy Research.

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Sorry to see you and Vic duking it out. From reading other posts of his, I don't think you guys are that far apart.

testosterone...LOL

It is refreshing to hear ANYONE talking about the real issue, which is globalism. That is what is driving all the crazy policy decisions.


Have a good day!

Phil
I vote. But this election was over before it began. I do believe the establishment owns both parties.

All the top tier were globalists. The patriots were frozen out by CFR controlled media and we were told they were unelectable and the sheeple believed it.

Most people on this site think we can survive an Obama presidency and live to see another day. (i.e. Carter) From everything I am reading I think the next presidency will bring the end of this nation as we know it. No matter who wins. Once we lose the Republic we won't get it back.

Bush has been holding summits on integration under SPP. 2010 is their latest stated goal.

The economy is a house of cards waiting to come down. Cap and trade, will further enslave the masses and ration energy.


I don't know about you. But as a Christian, this isn't my home. I used to have hope, if there was repentance and revival. But I think as in Jeremiah we may have reached the point of no return.

I look ahead to ultimate deliverance from a world under a curse. And I want to REDEEM the time.

We are going to lose with either Obama or McCain.

Anna
Goodnight; got to go.

"Structuring an Argument" by Vic
Vic reads a book that influenced him for reasons he refuses to explain. Vic agrees with him. Vic thinks the man is a genius. Therefore, Vic must also be a genius. Now everyone must kneel before Vic. If we don't, we are idiots and trolls. What a pile of crap you are Vic.

Anna
We are only toast if you share Vicky's childish and misguided vision of a future of unfettered capitalism. We are NOT toast. We, as voters, need to re-introduce ourselves to the political process at its most simple level: the ballot box. You don't have to choose Dem or Rep. Try something else. If enough people thought that way, we could hand the winner his victory with a 33% share of the vote. There isn't a single person in Washington who would feel that anyone won this election. When 2/3s of the voters vote AGAINST the winner, the winner does not have power. If we could just ignore the bipartisan fear-mongering and shout "none of the above" to the political and cultural elites, things would start getting better. But we are all brainwashed sheep. And the Vics of the world keep nurturing their cynical utopian dreams of a world with no rules but unfettered greed.

Vicky you pretentious phony
Since you are so smart, how about giving us a demonstration of your profound intelligence and wisdom. Do you actually understand the books you read? Anyone who quickly resorts to childish name calling and condescension such as you must lack the confidence to actually engage in a real discussion. If your next response is yet another childish tantrum, I am through with you. You are a petulant childish know-it-all.

Pasadena Phil
spoken like a true communist.

Amity Shlaes is an economic columnist for Bloomberg abd was formerly the same for the Financial Times and the WSJ.

And yes, you can go back to your comic books and TV. You are now a scroll-by.

Anna
I am of the camp that believes both the tightening of the money supply AND the protectionist legislation contributed to the depression.

Then FDR embarked on his great experiment in communism and made things worse. His actions made the depression worse and longer.

...
“Human passions unbridled by morality and religion…would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.” John Adams



We are no longer a "moral and religious people".

Vic
I am not going to read anything so that I can understand what you are saying. One of the rules I practice is to not believe anyone who can't explain themselves in their own words. The difference in my position and yours is that you see capitalism as being an all-encompassing ideology. I see it as an economic tool to be used within the vision of America defined by our US
Constitution. America is the only country founded on an intellectual idea. Our society was designed as an experiment testing whether people can govern themselves by virtuously regulating their own behaviors so that government can be minimized. It is thinking like yours, Darwinian capitalism that creates the human resentment and injustices that justify more government.

I don't know what that book is about but I don't place much weight in books by sociologists about anything that ends with "ism". There is one constant throughout history and that is that moral societies last longer than immoral societies. Human nature never changes. A well-regulated capitalism gives the human vices of greed an arena to play in that fosters innovation while minimizing the unavoidable damage it incurs. If you don't understand that, you need to read better books. Try reading what our founding fathers said and how they used what they read to create this country. The American Revolution represents the pinnacle of liberal (in the real sense, not today's aberration) idealism. It was a vision for the future that few seem interested in exploring.

Let me know when the rules change so I can legally take everything that is yours, that is the law of the jungle, you're law.

vic
(I already left a post on this...it must have gone to some other article??)


I have also read "The Forgotten Man".

The author is a member of CFR, so I was interested what her take would be.

Of course Smoot Hawley was to blame and not the Fed tightening the money supply. (see comments above)

All the "smart people" looking to Russia for good ideas. At that time the people were smart enough to reject the failed "collective" projects. I don't know if we will be so lucky this time.


"In America," Obama said, "we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations."


I think we are toast.

The real reason GE is being attacked.
GE owns NBC and MSNBC which has commentators very critical of the Bush admisitration mostly on the Iraq war.GE is not the only corporation getting involved in green technololgy.Those not on this train are gonna be left behind(Rupert Murdoch of Fox and Wall Street Journal also knows this will be huge).When a complete imbecile like Bill O'Reilly makes a bogus claim of GE with subsidiarys all around the world somehow helping Iran get weapons and bombs to Iraq to kill Americans when GE has already closed any connection no matters how insignificant some people are stupid enough to believe him.O'Reilly only makes these claims to get back at MSNBC (Keith Olbermann!) for exposing him as a liar and fraud.

...
Headed to a socialist/fascist state?

The bankers/multinational co own this country.


"But would some of the richest men in the world financially back communism, the system that was openly vowing to destroy the so called capitalism that made them wealthy? Communism, like plutocracy, is a product of capitalism. Researcher Gary Allen explained it this way:

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool for power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."


Gary Allen's book, "The Rockefeller Files" is good.




````
Congressman Louis McFadden, the Chairman of the House Banking and Currency committee from 1920 to 1931 remarked that the Federal Reserve Act brought about:

"A super state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure."

"In the United States today we have in effect two governments ... We have the duly constituted Government ... Then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve System, operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by the Constitution."


....
Remarks by Governor Ben S. Bernanke
At the Conference to Honor Milton Friedman, University of Chicago, Chicago, Illinois
November 8, 2002

On Milton Friedman's Ninetieth Birthday

Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve.
I would like to say to Milton and Anna:
Regarding the Great Depression.
You're right, we did it.
We're very sorry.
But thanks to you, we won't do it again.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021 108/default.htm


Has anyone read "Greenspans Bubbles"?



"The Federal Reserve System is a legal private monopoly of the money supply operated for the benefit of the few under the guise of protecting and promoting the public intent."
Anthony Sutton

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is master of all it's legislation and commerce." James Garfield





Sam, Phil, Relac
Wow, at last some people talking about the real, FUNDAMENTAL issue....Globalism/new world order.

I am so sick of the endless and pointless rearranging of the deck chairs that usually goes on, on this site!

I agree wtih Relac. I don't think we are going to stop this train. I expect the next president to preside over the end of this nation as we know it and the creation of the NAU. They will need a precipitating event and I am expecting economic collapse. Could be a combination of things. I also believe when we go down we will take the world with us.


“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.” Benito Mussolini

That should be
Amity Shlaes

http://www.amityshlaes.com/

If you are talking about the great
depression as a failure of capitalism you are insane. It is exactly the opposite, an primae example of the failure of government intervention and socialism.

You should read the Forgotton Man by Amity Sheas.

Vic
I don't know what history you are familiar with but you ought to spend a weekend in a good library reading the newspapers from the 1930s when people like Joseph Kennedy were declaring democracy in Europe and America dead. If it hadn't been for WWII, we would have either gone fascist (the Kennedy, Lindbergh,etal solution) or communist (Hollywood). You are operating under the delusion that free enterprise is responsible for civilization's great leaps forward. Every single enterprise that led to great leaps forward were sponsored by governments. The "discovery" of America, the space program, the settling of the West, the funding of the railroads, the internet, and so on. The problem with simpletons like you is that you don't think. You just label people and denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with you. Be careful what flags you salute. Most of them lead to someone else's dream and you are just a tool for their success.

LOL, capitalism that failed
I see you are another one ofthese people who learns their history from the TV and comic books.

Vic
You are describing a capitalism that failed miserably several times in our history. That is a libertarian's overly simplistic Darwinian capitalism. The problem is that it creates unstable societies. It is the one correct conclusion Karl Marx arrived at. It is Keynes who correctly observed when the laissez-faire kept insisting that the economy will right itself in the long run: "In the long run, we are all dead. But it is what happens in the short run that paves the way for dictators."

You cannot have a democratic republic with an economic system that only benefits a hand full of people. An efficient society built on the foundation of Judeo-Christian principles is by definition one that demands fairness. The pursuit of happiness in a fair society presumes that happiness will be attained by the moral majority. Well-regulated capitalism is the best tool yet devised to accomplish that. Just like our constitution is not a suicide pact, capitalism is not just a trick for the clever and greedy predators among us to seize possession of everything. What you are defining is the law of the jungle. We are trying to run a civilization here.

The only rules we need are simple
1. Laws against fraud
2. Laws that enforce contracts.

The rest, including all of those so-called anti-monopoly laws, are not needed and were never needed.

WHERE'S KIMBERLY?
Again, Comrade Kimberly is not posting a comment when the conservatives are blaming the left for trying to pull a fast one on the proletariat by black mailing corporations. Big business in bed with lefties? Mon dieu!

Vic
Since you argue by name-calling instead of actually formulating a carefully structured rebuttal, no one cares what you think. But just for fun, I would be very interested in your definition of "pure capitalism", particularly the "pure" part. Communism is capitalism too and a communist might argue that since it simplifies the ownership problem, it is actually a purer form of capitalism. In fact, communism uses capitalism as a its base for an all-encompassing ideology.

In your world, is basketball the same as football? Rules don't matter? Then let's get rid of the rules and see what happens. Are you arguing that anyone who believes that rules define the game is a communist? Either say something intelligent or STFU. Leave the name-calling to children and idiots.

Betty
Bravo and very clever!

Pure capitslism is the best
and Pasadena is in Kommiefornia.

Please read "Liberal Fascism"...
....Jonah Goldberg lays it all out in under 500 pages

Hitchhiker
A less long-winded response to your comment referring to my "wild" statement of evil capitalism. Communism is a totalitarian form of capitalism. That is what "Das Kapital" is about. We are a free society that subordinates our tools by rules that conform to our Constitutional rights of private ownership among other societal values. Unfettered capitalism IS evil because it invariably leads to monopolies and the concentration of almost all of the wealth in the hands of very few.

Redlac: McCain-Kennedy Amnesty bill
Remember, that bill was written by La Raza and our Chambers of Commerce. Until Kyl provided Hugh with a copy, no one other than those two groups and Kennedy (maybe) knew what was in it. Yet the Lindsay Grahams, Ted Kennedys, John McCains and Gearge Bushes didn't let that stop them from calling people like me bigots and nativists and what have you. Whose government is this anyway? With the trillions being spent and the hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats employed in DC, no one has time to READ the legislation being voted on?

Find the courage to vote against the status quo. It is easier and more efficient to vote "other" by voting 3rd party than to later have to fight to regain those freedoms we foolishly allowed to be taken away from us without a fight.

Redlac
"Since when is corporate lobbying for their self-interest, news? The writer acts like this just happened recently"

You missed the point. Botelli points to a problem of corporations forging alliances with social activists to subvert our democracy. It is very disturbing that GE has allied itself with the global warming nuts. Also disturbing is that unethical employers have teamed up with and legitimized a racist group like La Raza to establish a permanent underclass of cheap labor entrapping an ethnic group who believe a third of the country is theirs by right. I find it very disturbing that the same La Raza can extort corporate money from Wachovia to fund their ethno-exclusive Aztlan recruiting efforts behind the fig leaf of "Latino community development".

Corporate money and non-democratic alliances have so swamped voters' influence that Congress is now routinely voting on transformative legislation without even reading it. Jon Kyl had to refer to Hugh Hewitt to tell him what was in the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill that was re-introduced after the November 2006 elections under his name. The Cap and Trade Bill almost passed and I assure you that no one in Congress even read it. Special interests are now steamrolling legislation through.

We need to remind ourselves that our Constitution protects INDIVIDUAL rights. Corporations are NOT people. Society (good) and government (evil) are two opposing arrangements. All of the important legal distinctions that define and protect our freedoms are being systematically disassembled while we are distracted into fight over the imperceptible differences between Obama and McCain.

It is NOT all over. But if we don't wake up, we are heading for war, either on a global scale over oil or, if your global scenario plays out, widespread revolts and secession movements that will tear apart an artificial and soulless global corporate artifice. Does voting even matter any more?

Further
Since when is corporate lobbying for their self-interest, news? The writer acts like this just happened recently. When Boone Pickens and the Oil Industry funnelled millions into Bush's campaign, do you really think they weren't buying a seat at the table. And when Archer-Daniels and other AGBusinesses lobbied enthusiastically for ethanol - weren't they doing the same thing? It's an endless list - and not even newsworthy any more. As I recall, the number of registered lobbyists in DC increased from under 2000 to over 12,000 in less than 8 years. Do we really think they aren't also at the table. Sorry - GE's millions must be stacked on top of the $100 millions and indeed billions currently being spent. It's a little late to bring it up.

It's too Late
Globalization is in full swing. It has moved far beyond our ability to control it. Neither McCain nor Obama have any plans to do anything about it. Indeed, Obama may be somewhat more suspicious of it than McCain. The theory was always that as the world's economy became increasingly interdependent, that the liklihood of war would decline. To increase the dependency of our economy on other countries, we would slowly be absorbed into a "world" view. And who can argue that this is not happening? We substituted uncontrolled free trade for an industrial policy in the late 90's. We have watched the rise of the Euro. We have seen our trade deficits increase from $100 billion to $800 billion in the last 10 years. We have watched our government run up over $4 trillion in debt over the last 8 years, much of which we sold to the Japanese, Chinese and Europeons - who are now are biggest creditors. We could not even fund the Iraqi war without the support of the international banks and these same governments. We pay 40% more for oil now than those using the Euro do, because our dollar has lost 40% of its purchasing power against that Euro. Our stock markets and corporations are now enmeshed with markets and corporations throughout the world. We are no longer able to build the components for most of our major weapon systems in the US - as many of the componenets are made somewhere else and shipped here. And, we can no longer live without the trade that we now do, because entire sectors of industry no longer make their products here. Welcome to the brave new world. What some need to do is stop pretending that either the GOP or the Democrats will do anything to slow this process down - because they won't. It's too late.

transparency and education
...is the hope of enabling the population to recognize, understand, and reject "rent seeking behavior"

My hope is waning


Hitchhiker
Reread my comment. For capitalism to work, it must be regulated so that competition keeps markets are made efficient. Unfettered capitalism is exactly what Karl Marx described, a temporary process that suffers through booms and busts that oscillate to wider extremes until the system collapses. Capitalism is just an economic tool. It is subordinate to our constitution and moral codes. Corporations are currently defining their businesses as being global and are eroding the sovereignties of nations in very deliberate and cynical ways.

I completely disagree with you that individuals and corporations are interchangeable. I also disagree emphatically with what I understand you to be saying about regulation. Regulation is merely another word for law. Without regulation or law, we have chaos. The difference between basketball and football is in the rules. The game works if the officials are fair and diligent in enforcing the rules. Same with capitalism. Capitalism is a very specific concept that requires well-defined laws. Laws need to be enforced. We can either do efficiently be defining laws that minimize conflicts (Glass Steagall Act, e.g.) or we can define very stupid laws that require a huge bureaucracy to police effectively. What we have today is a form of capitalism that allows corporations to do anything they want despite good law because regulators won't regulate, legislators won't legislate and in some cases, government decides to bail out big players. We are developing a fascist state which I consider evil.

I believe you are defending a connotation of capitalism that I don't share and I'm a devoted capitalist.

Pasadena Phil
I would like to comment on your one somewhat wild statement amidst otherwise good commentary. Capitalism is not evil. It cannot ever be evil in and of itself. It is simply pure freedom for individuals and corporations to conduct business however they see fit. Of course, anything can be turned to evil purposes.

Consider a nation where the constitution was strictly followed and the federal government was constrained to only those enumerated powers. There would be no need for legions of lobbyists and campaign dollars because the government could not allocate a single dollar to any corporation. There would still be regulatory issues that could impose unnecessary costs on business but, if the majority of people and their representatives truly believed in federalism, this would not be a problem. Federalism was key to our early success and its abandonment will be key to our demise. The corporations are simply along for the ride as we all are.

Green Corporation
You must relaize that in a socialist society it isn't the producer of goods that make a profit but the political insiders. I sugest that these corporations believe that socialisim will overtake our country.

I just love it...
conservative morons such as Rush, Hannity etc. tell us that liberalism is dying, conservatism is winning. That is pure B.S. For every one battle we (real conservatives like me) win, we lose 100. Even the biggest, supposedly most capitalistic companies are going red and green. Also, the 5 supreme Commies on the high court just stuck it to Amerika again. It goes on and on. Every time I flush, all I see is this country spinning down into the sewer.

GE and Iran
GE is also selling infrastructure equipment to Iran. I could not fit this issue in the commentary but for more information on this topic see the following.

Watch the Bill O'Reilly interview on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbFFtnmLkCE

Watch Fox Business Channel interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFlw2hJ2VLM

Tom

Pasadena Phil
I am thinking that the motive of the central banks is to perform competitive devaluation of their currencies in order to move towards regional currencies or single unified global currency. Paul Volker and the NY Fed. Chairman is advocating a single global currency from the Housing Market, the Credit Default Swaps, etc. The Fed. created the problem with easy and cheap money in 2001 and now they are going to be the saviors who will have all the answers. The same answers that brought us NAFTA, GATT, etc.

The same people who create the problems are the ones giving us false solutions. Everyone check out O'Reilly's thread. It explains everything.

BTW, GE is not alone
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2008/06/09/ daily36.html

Corporations are teaming up with social activists in a way that undermines our supposedly deliberative democracy. That is why we keep having to fight off legislative "cram downs" like McCain-Kennedy and McCain=Leiberman-Warner.

Sam: our printing presses
I just wrote a monthly report for my clients called "Whistling Past the Graveyard" (not compliance-approved for general distribution) where I make a case for why we are unavoidably going to suffer a period of stagflation. We are printing dollars like never before which is the second time we have violated our responsibility under the Bretton Woods agreement to defend the dollar as the world's reserve currency. We did it under Nixon/Ford/Carter and it took Volker's near-depression to convince the world that we could be trusted again. Now Team Bush has taken the same route IN SPADES and somehow we keep hearing happy talk about not being in a recession and that we are "in the 7th inning" of the banking problem etc... We are in trouble, we know it every time we buy food or fuel our cars and yet the core inflation is only 0.2%?

This government cannot be trusted. How can they expect us to trust a Congress that tries to pass monstrous legislation like McCain-Kennedy, and McCain-Lieberman-Warner without even reading it? We are witnessing a power play by non-elected interests who are steamrolling our government and we are foolishly arguing over Obama vs McCain.

Great article
Sell your stocks, lets take GE down!

PASADENA PHIL

.....CAPITALISM AS AN IDEOLOGY INSTEAD OF AN ECONOMIC SYSTEM ...

.....Capitalism becomes evil when it is used as a tool by a totalitarian government to control the populace ...read the Bio of Mussolini .....COLOSSUS

General Electric
I bought GE stock in 1995. It did nicely as long as Jack Welch was chairman. When Immelt became chairman and announce GE was going "Green" my immidiate response was SELL! This person has taken GE down the tubes. The stock in selling in the low 30s and has not been above 37 in the 7 years Immelt has been in charge. These conditions coul well lead to his departure soon. Most shareholders will breath a sigh of relief.
N G Scarlett
Indiana

MUSSOLINI STYLE FASCISM

.....A Partnership between Big Government and Big Business ...

.....Sell GE, CONOCO & DEERE STOCK .....COLOSSUS

Bernanke (inflation) N. Economist Club
Before the National Economists Club, Washington, D.C.
November 21, 2002
Deflation: Making Sure "It" Doesn't Happen Here

Bernanke Quote: "What has this got to do with monetary policy? Like gold, U.S. dollars have value only to the extent that they are strictly limited in supply. But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation"

WONDER WHY WE HAVE INFLATION TODAY. They are documenting their own policies.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2002/20021 121/default.htm

Sam
Exactly. Even the Fed has been documenting this wealth transfer and the demise of the middle class for twenty years. I particularly refer to Greenspan's paper "The Inequality of Income Distribution" presented at the annual Jackson Hole meeting in 1998 I think it was in August but it is still available at the Fed's website). Bernanke made an important speech about the same in February 2007 reporting that the situation had deteriorated further. We are living in a modern "gilded age" where the super rich have re-incorporated themselves as "death stars" hovering over the global economy taking what they want with the full cooperation of the world's governments. By the way, this does NOT make an argument for libertarianism.

Pasadena Phil
There is no conspiracy. This is all documented. Go to spp.gov and many other websites and learn what is really unfolding. This is a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to corporations. Cap and trade is the new age feudalism. This is a facist/feudalist system and America looks as if it is heading to the "dark" ages.

Finally, someone gets it!
I've been pointing this out for ages here at TH, this isn't a bunch of hippies pushing for Cap and Trade, it's the one-worlders that have married into government power. The same people who want to eliminate national sovereignty on a global scale.

Before the conspiracy theory nuts crawl out from under their rocks, this isn't a conspiracy but a business plan. It is capitalism (and I am a capitalist to the bone) run amok. The business plan is to transform sovereign nations into mere markets to be exploited. That exploitation is made much more efficient if you impose moral relativism and liberated from the "inefficiencies" presented by deliberative democracy, Constitutions and human rights. It's all one world answering to... who? A global version of the unelected EU government?

Finally, "It’s also hard to imagine how a company the size of GE would prosper given the negative impact of cap-and-trade on the overall economy."

That needs to be analyzed and I suspect the answer is in the details of the McCain-Leiberman-Warner Cap and Trade Bill, particularly how global corporations might profit by being the "great carbon credit banker". In my opinion, we are selling out our heritage of freedom and democracy on the altar of capitalism. Capitalism is good as an economic tool. It is pure evil as an all-encompassing ideology, worse than communism.


Oh, what a tangled web....
This column illustrates still one more aspect of Congressional overreach. As Congress deviates further and further from the Constitution, the temptation for business at all levels to seek special arrangements increases. We are entangled in a web of laws and rules supposedly intended to improve our lives. What too many citizes don't realize until too late is that these so-called improvements come with the price of reduced liberty.

We still have the vote people. Kick 'em out of office before they can do any more harm.

It seems to me
that GE is simply reading the writing on the wall. Immelt knows we are becoming a socialist country and the first companies on the bandwagon will be in the best position to capitalize on the changes. In the new fascist system, the General Electrics by coming on board early are gaining the loyalty of the communist politicians and they will expect to be rewarded for their early support. They would also be in the best position to gain additional assets as recalcitrant companies are taken over by the government and turned over to those who will support the cause like Immelt. The position of CEO of a public company has been morphing into that of a politician rather then a business manager for a long time. The transition is virtually complete. Immelt recognizes that future profits are not going to be determined by gaining more customers, increasing quality, reducing costs, etc., but by legislation. They are climbing aboard the only wagon that guarantees survival.


Betty
I love it. Great

Let's take back teh color Green


Let's take back the color green
by Betty Perkowski

Let's take back the color green
Give me back the word
The meaning of this adjective
Is getting quite absurd

It used to be the color of
The leaves, the grass, the trees,
But now they use the word I love
For everything but these.

Crazy light bulbs, hybrid cars
Are being forced upon us
It used to be the choice was ours
Now guv’mint makes it for us.

No pesticides to kill the bugs
That might infest the peaches
Be satisfied with smaller crops
Of blemished fruit, they teach us.

Can’t drill for oil on barren plains
We’re bad for what we’ve built
Congress seems to take great pains
That we must pay, we must feel guilt

Carbon offsets, cap and trade
We’re told that these will save us
From warming that the sun has made
These fools are truly dangerous
.
Professor Lindzen* told us all
That warmth precedes CO2
Yet teachers, preachers one and all
Urge us to sign Kyoto.

The planet takes care of itself
No matter what we drive
Just cap and trade these eco-nuts
And happily we’ll all survive.

------------

*MIT climate professor with proof that CO2 does NOT cause global warming but may be a by-product of it.

Obama on Unity -> Collectively
The goal of a 'collectivist' like Obama and his supporter-apologists is unity at

any cost - by coercion.

All groups, black or white - male or female different ethnic ancestries,

different economic classes - are divided purposefully and then united by the

'common good' which is a collectivist society.

Collectivism has been called many names: Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism

etc. but the differences are only in application not in core values.

The role of the individual citizen in the collectivist society is to surrender

personal identity and self determination for the 'common good' of all - not

through personal Altruism but the surrender of individualism to the state.

Wealth and property whether intellectual or real is commonly held for the 'common

good' instead of individually held for the 'individual good'.

Collectivism doesn't work unless all citizens participate - this produces the

dynamic of coericion which has killed more people than all of the wars in history

- over 100,000,000 and counting.

Obama has a new version of the same old components - adding the religious

component of all religions working together for unity.

Medical doctors who refuse to become part of 'Universal Healthcare' will

apparently be the first casualties by losing their license to practice medicine -

coercion by losing all they have studied and worked for - or working for the

'common good'.

Obama will call for all to surrender 'self' for the 'common good' or face the

consequences.

Obama followers are chanting "Yes We Can" to their 'Hope' of 'Change We Can

Believe In'.

Obama will bring unity no matter the cost!

Surprise, Surprise
Have your ever checked the attendance list of the Bilderberg, IMF, Council on Foreign Relations, World Bank, etc.? It is a list of Who's Who in America along with "leaders" from the rest of the world. Big govmint and big companies rule our lives. Ever seen a local machine shop or little grocery store get bailed out because of ruthless and bad decisions about debt? Borelli mentioned Kudlow. He's a member of the CFR also. Some of my heroes who voted in favor of the Lieberman Warner climate bill were E. Dole, Collins, Mel Martinez, Snowe, Smith and Sununu, all Republicans. McShame, who is a member of the CFR said he would have also voted for it but he was stumping. I think I heard that GE will no longer make appliances. Perhaps that might work out okay. My refrigerator, freezer, washer and dryer are all GE -- but are getting a little old, and none were made in our favorite country, China. Having stuff not made in China - now that is unpatriotic. Any way to have a new US flag with stars and stripes superimposed (very small) onto a Chinese flag? One big problem with your article, Borelli. You write with a surprised perception that big business has not been working all along to pull off Glowbull warming. It loses nothing in the grab.

Good Things Come
To Those Who Wait....Or Maybe Not Such Good Things.


"Companies seeking government subsidies and tax breaks to enhance profits is not a new phenomenon".................Wonder what type of Whinning these Corporate Leeches will be doing when FASCISM is in full swing. Hey guys read your history books, those Corps that jumped on Hitlers Bandwagon, were crying in their soup when he began running there companies and taking all their profits, he just threw them some crumbs to keep them chasing the carrot! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

pt 2

So who benefits from this type of artificial market? First the big companies that get to sell real products like wind turbines that are now profitable when they weren’t before. Also, companies that get to sell non-products like carbon credits that only exist by government fiat. That is 100% profit other than what you have to pay the lobbyist to get those excess credits. Third the government benefits from all the new tax revenue created by “green” laws. And finally, the politicians benefit because they get that constant attention and donations from lobbyists seeking those excess carbon credits.

And who pays in the end??? Joe Sixpack, sitting in his easy chair watching the eternal I Love Lucy reruns and sipping on a beer pays. He pays first for the fact that that half hour of TV now costs him 25 cents vs 7 cents, the beer costs him $1.50 vs 25 cents, and he is probably being hit with additional local taxes to pay for the added cost of local services.

And what do we gain from all this? Big company makes more profits, government at all levels gets more taxes, big politicians get more “finances”, Joe Sixpack pays for it all, and the climate??? Well, there never really was a problem there anyway.

The Tale of Joe Sixpack
This so-called CSR movement is really a lot of media generated hype. Each of these corporate giants has a PR Department who’s job it is to get their company’s name in the news with favorable publicity as much as possible under what ever budget they have been allocated. For a large company like GE this will run in the millions of dollars a year. Here for the last several years the byword has been “green” largely due to the watermelons and the liberal media like CNN who worship all things thought to be green.

The large company will adopt slogans, create pamphlets, and advertising that pushes forward a “green” agenda. That is done regardless of whether a company is truly a polluter or a real custodian of the environment. With the right PR flacks and laziness by the media, a company can dump toxic waste daily, spew tons of real pollution in the air, and generally be a real crud and still be perceived as the “green” of the world. All of that for a small percentage of their budget.

Take all of the above and then add a complex web of federal tax breaks and outright cash subsidies for things considered “green” and the small percentage spent for PR can be offset. On top of that add another profit center for sales of solar equipment and wind generators in which you are the major marketer and you can really clean up. This is where GE is at now. Where they want to be in the future is to have a lot of “carbon credits”, more than they will ever use, so that they can sell those to someone else like a utility who has a lot of coal plants.

cont..

Big Government
What is happening with global warming is the fruition of Maurice Strong's plan to destroy western democracy, which he says is necessary to save the planet. Corporate rent-seekers such as GE and Duke Power are following the same path that German indutrialists took in supporting the fascist takeover in Germany. I predict the result will be the same for them as it was for the Germans. Hitler coopted the industrialists and took control of the businesses. I predict Obama and the Democrats will do the same thing to GE, Duke, COP, and all of the others that help the American fascists take control of energy production in the US. John McCain appears to be no better than the Democrats with regards to this assault on liberty.

This is what happens with big government
So many big government CINOs are willing to cede liberties to the federal government, hoping that the feds will give us either morality or safety. A typical example is the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (UIGEA). Big government social conservatives sold this bill as a way to help preserve morality by giving up yet another liberty to the federal government, as if freedom is dangerous.

However, once we’ve collected our individual rights and surrendered them to the federal government as groups like Focus on the Family have advocated, those rights will be gone! The feds will be able to use them at their whim. Suddenly, once the government decrees the cause of environmentalism to be "moral", you can forget about being “asked” for your opinion. Yes, the same federal government empowered to tell you that you can't be trusted with the freedom to choose to play poker in your own home with your own money is also telling you that you cannot be trusted with the right decide what light bulbs you want in your own home.

Companies with something to sell are naturally lobbying the federal government to use this power to help them sell stuff, to get subsidies, and to limit competition. This was true with UIGEA as well, in fact. Gaming in some form is legal in 48 states, so just what was being protected by trying to ban online poker? Seems a lot of this "protection" was simply protection from competition to other gaming.

Great job FoF. Any more freedoms you wish to hand over?

GE brings toxic mercury to your home!!
Thanks to GE support of the mandatory use of "compact flourescent lights" (CFL) you now face the very real risk of mercury poisoning in your home.

Tell me, has anyone out there NEVER BROKEN A LIGHT BULB?

We all have broken light bulbes, and we all will break these mercury-laced, CFL poison devices. You and your children will be poisoned, you will suffer nerve damage, brain damage, kidney damage.

Thanks a lot, environmentalists.
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