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Friday, January 11, 2008
Timothy Lee :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain to Pharmaceutical Innovators: Drop Dead
by Timothy Lee
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Voters will be pardoned for speculating whether aliens have somehow captured Senator John McCain, nominally a Republican candidate for President, and replaced his mind with that of Democratic class-warrior candidate John Edwards.  

The latest evidence came during the January 5, 2008 Republican candidates’ debate in Manchester, New Hampshire, when Senator McCain slurred the pharmaceutical industry as “the big bad guys.”  Thus, in addition to his dubious positions on tax cuts, waterboarding of terrorists and McCain/Feingold’s free speech restrictions, he has now gone on record attacking America’s pharmaceutical companies, which constitute one of this country’s most innovative and valuable industries. 

In doing so, Senator McCain also joined the chorus demanding importation of medicines from foreign countries, which is one of the most deceptive and dangerous policy ideas in our present political climate.  Consider the following exchange between himself and Mitt Romney, in which McCain descends into his best conspiracy theorist impression: 

McCain:  Why shouldn’t we be able to reimport drugs from Canada?  It’s because of the power of pharmaceutical companies… 

Romney:  Don’t turn the pharmaceutical companies into the big bad guys. 

McCain:  Well, they are. 

Romney:  No, actually, they’re trying to create products to make us well and make us better, and they’re doing the work of the free market.  And are there excesses?  I’m sure there are, and we should go after excesses.  But they’re an important industry to this country.  But let me note something else, and that is the market will work.  And the reason healthcare isn’t working like a market right now is you have 47 million people that are saying, “I’m not going to play.  I’m just going to get free care paid for by everybody else.”  That doesn’t work.  Number two, the buyer doesn’t have information about what the cost or quality is of different choices they could have.  If you take the government out of it to a much greater extent, you’d get it to work like a market and we’ll rein in costs. 

No, Senator McCain, pharmaceutical innovators are not “the big bad guys,” and importation of foreign drugs is a terrible idea. 

In reality, America’s pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies invest literally billions of dollars each year to invent and perfect new medicines that save lives and allow Americans to live more comfortably, longer, and healthier.  There is not a single person in America who hasn’t benefited personally from these remarkable innovations, or has family members or friends who have. 

And while importation of drugs may superficially sound like a good idea, it is actually quite pernicious.  Especially at a time when America’s trade deficit receives so much hysteria from politicians and the mainstream media. 

For starters, importation of foreign drugs will flood the market with dangerous counterfeit knockoffs from across the globe.  As tragically illustrated by recent stories of contaminated lead-paint toys, toothpastes, dog food and other products, this is a potentially serious problem.  Further, even drugs imported from such countries as Canada often themselves originate from places like Pakistan, Bulgaria, Argentina and South Africa.  This inherent safety risk precisely explains why every single Food & Drug Administration commissioner since 1969 has opposed importation. 

Second, importation will undermine American medical innovation.  The pharmaceutical industry remains one in which America continues to lead the world.  It creates revolutionary life-saving and life-improving drugs, but this requires gigantic up-front investments of money, time and research.  In 2006 alone, pharmaceutical innovators invested an estimated $55 billion in such research and development, and provided millions of valuable jobs.  If our nation’s pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies suddenly cannot recoup their investments due to a flood of foreign counterfeits and artificially-discounted drugs, the reward for investing in innovation will wither along with thousands of high-paying and high-tech jobs.  Obviously, this is hardly the time to be taking such a risk. 

Third, allowing importation of foreign drugs will exacerbate our current litigation and “jackpot justice” crisis facing America and the healthcare industry.  If pharmaceutical companies, pharmacists, hospitals and physicians are suddenly exposed to even more lawsuits because opportunistic trial lawyers blame them for harm caused by foreign counterfeits or knockoffs, healthcare costs and crippling runaway litigation will only skyrocket further. 

Fourth, legalizing importation of foreign drugs will only increase the already-overburdened FDA’s caseload.  In doing so, the FDA’s ability to protect American consumers’ safety will be further undermined. 

Simply put, there is already too much regulation and persecution of the pharmaceutical industry, not too little.  Allowing importations to flood the market and gain a free ride on the backs of American pharmaceutical innovators will only undermine this critical enterprise. 

Senator McCain, please reconsider your slur against America’s invaluable pharmaceutical industry, and renounce your ill-advised position toward it and importation of foreign drugs.  One irresponsible class-warrior candidate in the style of John Edwards is more than enough. 

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Timothy Lee is the director of legal and public affairs at the Center for Individual Freedom, a free-market and constitutional advocacy organization based in Alexandria, Virginia.

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YOU MEAN FREE MARKETS WORK?
What a revolutionary idea of letting the free market work! How can politians pander to everyone wanting something for nothing if you stand up and say in a market economy you get what you pay for? Can't we all unite around the idea of the big bad oil, pharmacuetical, insurance and manufacturing corporations are ripping us all off? We all have needs and the government should make sure these needs are met! Free health care, free water (what is more basic to life than water?), free food, free shelter, free heat, free gasoline, free drugs! As long as we assume you have a right to one thing why not all?

Price Differential
When my elderly neighbor retired to Mexico a few years ago he quickly learned that his prescription medications cost him less than half there---same drugs, same American companies, manufactured on the same exact production line. I realize that no business ever did anything that townhallers don't just love, but can anyone explain to me why you and I should be paying $100 for a bottle of pills that the consumer in Guadalajara can buy for $50? And, please, let's not hear the same old story about the high cost of innovation: tell me why that cost of innovation has to be twice as much here as somewhere else.

What does Mr. Romney mean by this?
Mr. Romney states (as quoted above):
"But let me note something else, and that is the market will work. And the reason healthcare isn’t working like a market right now is you have 47 million people that are saying, 'I’m not going to play. I’m just going to get free care paid for by everybody else.' That doesn’t work."

Based on his ill-advised backing of a law that makes obtaining health insurance mandatory in Massachusettes, it sounds like, in the above statement, he is saying that he thinks the 'free market' should include forcing people to 'play along' and get health insurance. Mandatory health insurance is not the answer. Getting government out of the industry all together is the answer. Allow people to choose what insurance products they want to buy or not buy, whether in their own state or in another state. Allow insurance companies to deny or provide whatever coverage they wish. This would create a huge amount of innovation in the industry and allow people to choose from an abundance of price ranges and products. As Ronald Reagan said, "Government is not the solution. It is the problem."

Lilly
Mexico is not a major player in pharmaceutical innovation. Their government places major price controls on drugs which discourages enterprising in this area. America leads the world in drug development for a reason.

McCain's position on this matter is philistine and irresponsible. That being said, I still intend to support him in the primary based on one reason: he supports the second amendment more than any other viable candidate. Romney wasted his chance to become president by advocating another ban on the vaguely defined "assault weapons". Giuliani, in my view, would be a perfect candidate aside from this major issue.

McCain is correct
Most drug innovations are funded by us taxpayers through subsidies to the drug companies. If conservatives love free market competition so much then the U.S. government should be free to bid on the open market for drugs and not have artificial restrictions put on them by Congress. The current medicare prescription programs were written by the drug companies and you and I are paying for it. With a recession already here or on the horizon the average person will need to save money wherever he can and we don't need to pay higher costs for our drugs. Romney is a shill for corporate America. McCain and Huckabee are the only Republican's who seem to realize there are other constituents out there besides rich guys.

I pretty much
agree with this article, but yes I support McCain in the primaries unless Fred can muster some support. McCain is wrong on drugs and some other issues, but he is right on Life (I will not, am not, would not, could not, vote for an abortionist - read Rudy and possibly Mitt), defense of the country, war on terror, reducing federal spending, and many other issues.

Corruption On The Political Path
Mr. McCain is irrational. In a time of war you do not let America depend entirely on any outside nation, friendly or not. To become dependant, unable to provide for our selves is unpardonable. And he claims he will protect America against terrorism. Heap big smoke but no fire.

John is fortunate though, he is not one of the ten most wanted corrupt politicians as you can see at:
http://e-spirituality.townhall.com/g/a8367ce8-5c82-4aab-af2 7-6fdf9e6b39f8

This is NONSENSE
Senator McCain is talking about importing drugs manufactured in Canada, not importing drugs manufactured in China that might be shipped through Canada.

I have friends in Canada. The prescription drugs manufactured there are made under safety and quality controls that are at least as good, if not better, than those in the U.S.

And as for Mr. Lee's other point:

"If our nation’s pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies suddenly cannot recoup their investments due to a flood of foreign counterfeits and artificially-discounted drugs, the reward for investing in innovation will wither along with thousands of high-paying and high-tech jobs."

What he's claiming is that American consumers have to subsidize the consumers in other countries. We Americans must pay through the nose, just so the pharma companies can make so much profit that they are then able to sell those same drugs cheaper to Canadians and other foreigners. That's un-American and unpatriotic.

Keep it up, guys. Keep touting the wonders of Big Business and giant international corporate conglomerates, right through the general election--and watch as you get blown out of the water by the Democrats.

Corruption On The Political Path #2
A Lot of Corruption On The Political Path To the Whitehouse
http://www.judicialwatch.org
One Man With The Truth Is A Majority.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them
(Genesis 1:27)
That is why mail couriers are call male mailmen and female mailmen. Right? Pun intended.
1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.
(Proverbs 28:1)
The truth is a fearful thing when we live in the shadows of deception.
40 O, my beloved brethren, give ear to my words. Remember the greatness of the Holy One of Israel. Do not say that I have spoken hard things against you; for if ye do, ye will revile against the truth; for I have spoken the words of your Maker. I know that the words of truth are hard against all uncleanness; but the righteous fear them not, for they love the truth and are not shaken.
(2 Nephi 9:40)
Is it so difficult to see, that the reason so many political candidates have teamed up against MR. the adult candidate of the Republican Party. Those who have their hands and heart corrupted by the wheeling and dealing that goes on in Washington, are not going to want an adult in the Whitehouse.
Is it so difficult to see that we are so far down the path of corruption that we no longer take courage in the honesty and truthfulness of our founding fathers, and that a den of thieves is found there on Capitol Hill? The reason things do not change in Washington any more, is that too many rationalize and reason that, “The end justifies the means.”
How many candidates are found on the Most Corrupt Politician’s List of the Judicial Watch of Washington, let alone the top ten? This is not a joke and it is getting less and less funny, as these jokers, fool themselves and hate those of us who dare to make that distinction, even to a lesser degree.

for lilly
lilly writes: "And, please, let's not hear the same old story about the high cost of innovation: tell me why that cost of innovation has to be twice as much here as somewhere else."

You just heard Mr. Lee tell you why. Our Government is too spineless to insist that American pharma companies be allowed to sell drugs in Mexico and Canada at the market price--those countries impose strict price controls. So since we can't get them to relax their controls, we Americans must pay steep prices for those same drugs, so the pharma companies make the profit in America that they can't make in Canada and Mexico.

I have a better suggestion. We should have a President with the guts to tell this to Canada:

"If you don't allow products made by American companies (such as pharmaceuticals) to earn a reasonable profit, we're going to send the U.S. Navy to claim the Northwest Passage for the United States. And we'll sink any ship flying the Canadian flag that tries to sail through it."

maximilian and houstonrepublican
You two are morons. vote for McCain because of one issue? What about ALL the other issues where he is not only worng but he's more liberal than most democrats! Get real!

Steve I am from Canada I Know
America needs to heal its self. Personally I con not use any drugs and I am 67. All natural, but there are those who need them. Tainted drugs can come through Canada.

In War time you do not leave opportunities for the enemy. John is not thinking.

Food should be grown local, and consumed local too.

This is dishonest
Mitt wants open markets with China but not open drug markets with Canada. He is in bed with drug companies. This guy does not believe in free markets, only when it helps corporations. He is a corporate fascist.

If McCain is nominated
If McCain is nominated then I'm staying home on election day.

If that means the Dems win then that's the price the GOP pays for fielding such a crop of losers.

SUGGESTION TO MR. LEE RE DRUG INDUSTRY
Mr. Lee, I recommend that you learn somewhat more about this subject before you go jumping all over somebody for his opinion.

One of the commenters is absolutely correct: we are subsidizing the drugs for countries all over the world. There is no country in the world whose citizens pay more for drugs than U.S. citizens do.

We subsidize the pharmaceutical industry in so many ways it is impossible to count them.

Advertising write-offs? Of course. We get to pay for advertising all those drugs about which we're to ask if they're “right” for us. The industry recoups those ad costs in no time flat.

Research and Development write-offs? Absolutely. Somebody has to do all that R&D. And how much in taxes do you suppose we are paying the National Institutes of Health, which gets very little back from the companies who profit from the research? Precious little. You could also find out how much of that R&D outlay is actually market development.

Manufacturing write-offs? Naturally. And just where do you, Mr. Lee, suppose most of the drugs are manufactured? In the U.S.? That just tickles me.

I probably take more drugs than the average person. Purchasing drugs at the local drugstore, finding the bottle or box in its original state (not always the case), I have drugs manufactured in Ireland, England, France, Germany, Canada, and several other countries. But all distributed by somebody right here in the U.S.A. Yet there is a manufacturing write-off.

I could go on and on, but you probably didn't get past the second paragraph anyway. And you probably would dismiss it out of hand, as you did Senator McCain's comments.

You owe Senator McCain an apology.

SteveL, lilly & Bobzmcishl re Lee Drivel
SteveL, lilly and Bobzmcishl, you know what you're talking about. You're rare, particularly with respect to this subject. You could read my comment called "Suggestion to Mr. Lee re Drug Industry"; he's not going to like it very much.

Where did TH get this guy? Grab him off the street, sit him down at a computer, and tell him to write a column off the top of his pate?

ModerateMark
I just may have to add the above name to my comments to SteveL, lilly and Bobzmcishl earlier. Yea! Reason may prevail after all!

Drug Safety
I am part of "big pharma". Last year there were caplets being sold south of the border manufactured in China with BRAND labeling whose contents were powdered road paint. Not only were they ineffective, they could have been lethal. In 2005 there was a sea container full of bogus Lipitor caught in customs. Perfect copies of the pill and packaging for sugar pills.

Creating counterfeit prescription drugs is a more profitable business than counterfeit watches, etc. Businesses overseas purchase items made in the US with "A" ratings- which means that they are either the brand item that is manufactured or the chemically-identical equivalent. I export US manufactured drugs overseas, and these customers have no interest in buying items manufactured outside of the US because there are no quality and safety controls. There is a policy being implemented in 2008 which requires a drug pedigree to be made available to anyone that asks for it- which means that there is a documented and dated record of the product's history from manufacture through wholesale to the pharmacy.

No other country has this system of checks and balances- which is why you do not want to go to sources outside of the US for products.


Fool Me Once...
McShame on you / Fool me twice? Never Gonna Happen!
Basic Question #1 could be - How long before you sign the "Fairness Doctrine" Legislation into Law?
If Angry John would just answer a few basic questions without snearing at US or snarling at the camera and the audience I might not feel as threatened as I do from just thinking about the Arizona RINO ruling & ruining the country...

Basic Question #2 maybe? - Knowing of your personal assault on the People's First Amendment Rights, can you tell us right now how many more Amendments will you attempt to ammend? And a follw up if I may - Where will you find the Judges who agree with you about these things? There might be as many as FOUR SCOTUS SEATS to fill during the next Presidents term(s), will it take a 'compromise' with the Dims to find the proper jurists to select from if it were you as POTUS?
Forget it...
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!!

The mere idea that all of the above is possible with you at the rudder is all I need to know.

PS
Is the story of the Air Force Tanker getting to feel a little like a favorite 'fish' story? It keeps growing in importance, getting bigger and bigger every time Mad Mac's mouth opens.
And oh yeh...
I want the lecturing to STOP!! I know its just the way 'the sherriff' panders - BUT it is NOT going to change my vote.

It Is ALL About The Judges This Time &
THAT Is Just ONE Of The Reasons To Elect Fred!!

W/O=


Hob
Am I to believe the Chinese are cheating??? My My. A couple of my kids are commercial bee keepers and a few years ago the price drop so low they struggled to survive (at the moment run 2400 hives, south for the winter, then up north).
One of their middlemen told them that in order to increase the weight, sink/s were found in the barrels. They export second grade honey. When the gov. stopped it, they went through Argentina.
\and its adulterated with syrup. (I needn't mention some of the "foreign" subtances/critters that find their way in said honey, do I?") Then there were the toys.. I stay way away from much of the imported food, if it says China especially farm raised..forgeddaboutit..goes right back into the bin at the store. And I voice my opinion of it also. So ask me if I'm surprised.
Spiceman..I don't take any pharma meds either,
had adverse reactions to a couple and still fighting to get my health back. I'm cynical about their motives too. Big bucks, big profits and I'm a conservative, but the wedding between
big corporations and our gov. agencies in this case the FDA reeks of corruption. And yes
I try to buy locally also when in season and I don't buy processed foods precisely for the same reasons I don't use pharma drugs. REad the labels, we are well fed but malnourished and the FDA has allowed the food processors to adulterate
our food with all kinds of crap to addict us..
i.e. sugar in canned soups..why? Makes ya eat and want more, so you buy more. Taste enhancers,
same reason. etc. etc.

UNDERMINES AMERICA EVERY CHANCE HE GETS
McCaine has to support the surge. His core constituency is the American Veteran. But everything he can possibly do to undermine conservative principles and America he does. He votes against tax cuts because he says he wants spending cuts first. But he was wrong. The spending cuts raised revenues and actually helped reduce the deficit.

McCaine was a prisoner of war for five years. There are many questions as to what exactly happened to him there. It is likely he had a much easier time than the other prisoners. But it was still hell and like many old prisoners he seems to almost be in awe of his old masters.Can anyone remember him saying anything negative about N. Vietnam or China.

I believe McCaine would love to see the pharmaceutical industry move to China. McCaine knows that most of the world does not respect American patent laws. If we don't pay the freight for new drugs, they won't be developed. And no one will get the benefit. China is already counterfeiting every American patent and copyright that isn't nailed down. And none are nailed down. I believe that McCain would love to see our pharmaceutical industry go the way of the U.S. textile manufacturing industry.

McCain Edwards ticket to wipe out Medica

Novel, McCain and Edwards should run on
the same ticket

together they could personally make billions
through the legal process and wipe out
all of the USA's medical advancements over
the past 100 years

McCain needs a brain transplant fast:

McCain selling us out again

HOW many times are we going to let McCain
sell us out again :

HE represented the ILLEGALS NOT US
citizens in his disaster Amnesty bill:

He refused to support the tax cut for the middle class:

HE wanted to be Kerry's partner:

I think McCain has been working day and night to revenge his loss to Bush

YES< YES YES he is a Hero so are Millions of others who served:
we respect him for that:
SOMETHING in his brain is NOT WORKING right

The Free Market and Troy
I think that we all agree the Trojan wooden horse was free, but the price was devastating to Troy.

"Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing? Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago? When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?"

When we learn to respect and cherish one another as ourselves. When we are one of heart, mind and purpose and when the most helpless life is protected from exploit and selfish gain.

It will happen when we are free of addiction, masters of our selves, over base selfish passions, of greed, envy, selfishness, hate and vain pride.

It will be when we first Master ourselves, and can say we are servants in righteousness one an other and the rest of the world.

We read some great post here on TH as well as some that are extremely disrespectful, and indicative of the pain, ignorance and contempt, because they just want to be counted, for something, like the bully on the block that is lonely and mentally and emotionally immature, not capable of making a comment without insult.

As we contemplate and gaze upon the world, the world reflects to our understanding the image of what we think the world is. So, as we see the world, so we are, we speak, write and express. What we condemn others is the very same flaw that we hide within ourselves.

for ModerateMark
ModerateMark writes: "I agree and would add why doesn't the pharma refuse or limit the drugs to the price controlled countries."

I already explained the reason: The pharma company is quite satisfied with the current arrangement, because American consumers will make up the difference in their profits by paying much higher prices, and because the U.S. Government gives tax breaks to pick up the tab for the R&D. (In a truly free international market, the R&D would be prorated among all nations of the world using that drug.)

This is why we have trade negotiations among countries. Apparently the United States and our pharma companies are perfectly happy to allow this state of affairs. I believe this is geopolitical: The U.S. has been very generous in trade negotiations with other countries, as a bribe to get them to side with us during the Cold War, the War on Terror, etc. We have no visibility into the negotiations that take place in the World Trade Organization, so who the hell knows why they make the arrangements they do.

This is one area where the Leftists and we conservatives should team up: We should insist on open trade arrangements, openly arrived at. Heck, let them televise the proceedings like they televise Congress on C-SPAN.



To Maxmilian
You missed my point. If the drug is developed and manufactured in the United States and sealed boxes of it are shipped to Mexico and sold there for half-price, then your statement that "Mexico is not a major player in pharmaceutical innovation" seems irrelevant. If we manufacture Kellogg's Corn Flakes here and ship them there and sell them there, nobody is asking Mexico to innovate or in any way modify the corn flakes---just sell them.


To treadmilljoe
Re "McCain was a prisoner of war for five years and there's no telling what happened to him there": I remember at one point when Bush II was running against McCain, the story was put out that McCain was emotionally unstable because of his POW experiences. (Very nice campaigning from the born-again Christian.) Is that what you are suggesting now?

McCain isn't really winning...

Romney is losing votes... to Huckabee.

Christian voters are backing Huckabee at the expense of Romney. They appear to be pushing a PINO (preacher in name only) at the expense of Amnesty, open borders, and fiscal responsibility. In other words, another George Bush.

The result will be President Rudy or Hillary.

Hob
Using China as the basis for an argument that drugs made in the rest of the world are not safe is ludicrous. China is not England, France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Canada, Spain etc. etc., and you cannot make a case that those countries do not have production controls that ensure that drugs made there are safe.

And, of course, others make the point that a combination of health care and business subsidies permeate the drug industry. Their "competitiveness is heavily subsidized by taxpayers". If you want a true free market - get rid of all subsidies as well - and let the market determine what is or is not made.

I might point out, further, that medical care costs have increased by 78% in the last 7 years. Income has not increased in line with these increases in medical costs. Consumers cannot pay for unlimited increases that bear no relationship to the cost of living. This is at the heart of the crisis. 13 of the top 15 paid professions in the US are medical. Doctors in some specialties make more than CEO's. There is no longer any meaningful balance. If these costs keep ramping up - then all the innovation in the world will be meaningless as people simply will not be able to pay for those innovations - however wonderful they are. The free market works only if it is free. Doctors do not compete - they collaborate on fees. Which is why you can call a dozen different doctors to get a price for a procedure, and the costs will almost always be the same. In other other industries, it would be called price fixing - and be illegal. Doctors have no market mechanism that effectively controls what they charge - which is why their income bears no relationship to any other industry. We can understand how to buy or not buy mediocre products - we cannot make the same decision on medicine because the AMA and FDA control the process - and provide the illusion that all are equal.

Get a clue.

To brainoncapitalist
Actually, sometimes government is the solution, if you care anything at all about protection of the people. This thread addresses the marketing of drugs. Consider these possibilities: begin with a baseline of a drug that is developed in the United States, is tested and found to be efficacious and safe, and is marketed in the United States. Let's consider that "the ideal situation". But now we move on to all kinds of possible variants where government can help.

1) Canada and Mexico sell the same pills (same production line, sealed bottles) in their countries for half-price; American consumers subsidize the company by paying the double price. Government could negotiate for lower prices, say for Medicare patients, here as it already does for the VA.

2) China sells a clone of this drug which, unfortunately, uses cheaper ingredients and is neither safe nor efficacious, markets it through your blessed free market in the US---say they sell it online by sham prescription---and 847 people die after they take it. Government can develop and practice vigilance to keep such foreign manufactures out of our market.

3) Joe Blow cooks up something in his basement in Arizona, not efficacious, not safe, no testing, who cares, free market rules, and sells it in a US which requires no MD's prescription (I have described the heart's desire of some liberatarians on TH). Result is, people waste their money, sick people get sicker because drug doesn't work, people get sick from this substance. Government regulation can scare the Joe Blows of this world by having the power to put them in jail for a long time.

To redlac
All costs of medical care are not the same. I offer an example. After moving to a new city, I required a minor surgical procedure which I had often had before and which had always been performed in the doctor's office. My new doctor, in private practice, insisted the procedure could be done only in a hospital operating room. (He turned out to be a part-owner of the hospital he used.) I had to be admitted to the hospital for a day. His bill was $650, the operating room was $1400, and other expenses (anesthesiologist on call, recovery room etc) totalled several hundred more, I forget the exact numbers.

I then switched all of my care to a university medical center where academically-involved physicians are on salary. Eventually I consulted with a doctor in the same specialty as the one described above. In fact, he greatly outranked the first doctor in terms of medical credentials. He easily performed the same procedure in his office. It took five minutes. The bill was $125.

I don't know how I feel about a national health care plan; haven't decided. But over many years I have come to distrust the professionalism of doctors who represent a little piece of Corporate America: greedy, and in the game for wealth and profit.

Giverment control
I happen to work for a generic pharma co and my question is what effect has runaway litigation had on our drug cost in the US? Has anyone thought about the greed of lawyers running up cost as much as big pharma? Perhaps American companys can sell cheaper in other countries because there is less fear of lawyers bankrupting them.

I just don't get it. Government already regulates pharma to death via the FDA, yet pharma takes the all the blame in the event something harmful gets through. Big pharma is in the same position with government as a husband in a marrage. No matter who is at fault, pharma pays.

Evil Corporations
Oh yes! The evil corporations are destroying this country! Let John Edwards sue them into non-existance and move them to another country! When are some of you going to realize that the "true" evil lies in Congress? Who do you suppose makes the rules that allow tax deductions to corporations? How many of you know that our corporations are taxed by our government at a rate higher than any other country in the world! Do you suppose that getting rid of people like John Edwards, and his fellow scumbags, might not improve all our lives?

HOW DARE YOU SIR

.....Mr Lee ...

.....Are you trying to tell me that I can't get someting for nothing? ...

.....Are you trying to say that I can't take the fruits of the labor of others without consequences? ...

.....That I can't ask Oil and Drug Companies to invest billions of dollars and long years of hard work and then just turn their products over to me at cost? ...

.....How dare you Sir .....COLOSSUS

for Lilly
Lilly writes: "If we manufacture Kellogg's Corn Flakes here and ship them there and sell them there, nobody is asking Mexico to innovate or in any way modify the corn flakes---just sell them."

But if Mexico imposes stiff price controls on corn flakes sold there, then Kellogg's either has to charge more to consumers in other countries like the U.S. to make up the difference, or else it will just stop producing cornflakes altogether and diversify into some other product line that Mexico won't impose price controls on.

What liberals like you have just never accepted is the economic law of supply and demand. The Government (any Government, Mexico or ours) can't just tell a seller to sell his product for less, and expect him to just keep churning out the product anyway. Especially if he can't make a profit at the price the Government is insisting he sell it for.

In the case of pharma, the pharma company is going to want to earn a decent profit, just like any other company. If Canadian law won't let the pharma company earn a decent profit there, then it has to earn a decent profit somewhere else. Otherwise it goes out of the business of making prescription drugs, and diversifies into something else that's more profitable (like hair spray or deodorant).

The pharma company is NOT in business for the good of humanity. It's in business to earn a profit.

It appears from what I read here
that doctors and drug companies are greedy in wanting too much profit. No one has mentioned the "greedy" lawyers suing these doctors and drug companies thus driving up costs.

It would seem to me, lilly,
that a one possible explanation for the difference in the price of medications from the US to say, Mexico or Canada, would be government protectionism. If we were to reduce or eliminate law suit abuse of the medical industry, we may be able to reduce insurance costs that could reduce the costs of medicines.

When considering the costs of medical prescriptions, manufacturing costs are not the only factor. Because the cost of a college education is higher, meaning higher salaries for pharmacists, and a dozen points in between have higher costs, medicines here are much higher. Who dispenses "prescription" drugs in Mexico? Are they trained pharmicists? If you answere yes to that last question, then there is absolutely NO hope for you.

In short, manufacturing costs are but one small factor that determines the final counter price of ANY product we purchase, not just medicines.

ANOTHER GOOD REASON

.....To reject John McCain ...

.....If McCain and Huckabee would become pro-choice and join with Giulani they would all make great Democrats ...

.....Romney is a recently converted Born-Again Conservative but no matter how good his economic qualifications are ...many on the religious left/right will never accept a Mormon ...

.....There is only one lifetime Conservative in the race that would be acceptable to all three wings of the Republican Party and that is Fred Thompson ...

.....If Conservatives want to save the Party they had better stop bickering over the pretenders and get behind a 100% Conservative ......COLOSSUS


for saltydog
saltydog writes: "Perhaps American companys can sell cheaper in other countries because there is less fear of lawyers bankrupting them. "

No.

In Canada, the Patented Medicines Price Review Board (PMPRB), a government agency that oversees the pharmaceutical industry, negotiates a final price for prescription drugs with pharmaceutical companies rather than relying on the drug manufacturers to cut their own prices. Generally, the board does not allow a new drug to be priced higher than the most expensive existing drug used to treat the same condition.

http://tinyurl.com/2edw24

What part of "GOVERNMENT PRICE CONTROLS" don't you understand???

The Canadian government negotiates with the pharma companies how much they can charge anywhere in Canada, with the bargaining power that comes from being THE GOVERNMENT. They tell the pharma companies that a new drug can't cost more than an existing drug for a comparable condition. (Meaning that for stomach trouble, for example, they can't charge more for the newer Nexium drug than they used to charge for the older Prevacid drug.)

Saltydog,
A few years ago, I saw a report, I think on 60 Minutes, about a pharmceutical company in the final stages of testing on a new drug. They were allowing some patients with an advanced form of some neurolgical disease to take the medication. The patients were all mentally alert but the were almost completely immobile.

After a few months regimen, most of the patients were able to abandon their wheel chairs. They could stand up, sit down, and walk around without hardly any problems. It seemed the drug was a miracle.

After a period of time, the pharmaceutical company made the determination that the long term risks of using the drug were too risky and banned further testing and usage.

The patients in the trial reverted back to their vegitative state in short order. The patients then obtained lawyers to attempt to force the pharma to provide the drug to them.

There are many more paticulars to this case, but in short, I came to the conclusion that sometimes, the pharmas are damned no matter what course of action they choose.

LOCO

.....Are you talking about John Edwards again? ...

.....btw: Frog and Steve ...trying to explain supply and demand economics to Lilly is like tryin to explain Quantum Physics to your dog ...but at least the dog would wag its tail .....COLOSSUS

Fred thompson08
I so agree with you BaseballDoc.
McCain is as scary to me as Clinton.

In the debate this week, on two different questions, one right after the other, he talked about saving the taxpayer from a scam on a ship of somekind. I know he has to defend what little he has done, but to bring it up twice, within 5 minutes, is a bit much. He also brought up leading a fleet of ships in the Navy several times in the debate.

Why didn't he bring up McCain/Feingold, or the Kennedy/ McCain bill on amnesty. Wasn't he proud of that? Or wold he know it would cost him the election? Ditto on voting against the tax cuts, and making them permanent. Voted against repealing the death tax. Why cover it up Mr. McCain? Why not show how good you are at working with Democrats?
Even to the point of betraying your party.

under cut the costs
IF I understand this:
for every one drug that successfully reaches the public there are how many that were denied because they were dangerous. Cost of the denied drugs are absorbed by the years of R&D into the cost of the few successful drugs.

The cost of the drugs is paid for by us in the U.S. because other countries put price controls on incoming drugs. Which means in order to cover the cost we the people pay for our prescriptions and the other country's prescriptions.

What would happen if the companies refused to sell for under cost to the other countries? I find it interesting that foreign countries finance their companies to compete with U.S. companies so their industries can under cut their costs world wide. Which leads to U.S. companies going out of business or going off shore because of cheaper labor.

We get screwed -- how many times? ? ?


SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE ME
Some few minutes were spent writing and posting a lucid, non-accusatory comment to this column, but it seems that there is somebody who can't handle the truth.

Okay, I get it. But the truth is like cream -- it rises to the top.

McCain to Pharmaceutical Innovators: Dro
Is John McCain a Republican?

health care in general
pharma is between a rock and a hard place.

they spend mllions and sometimes billions of dollars in R&D. many of the drugs that they develop never make it to market.

why?

well the drugs have to be shown to be effective.

they also have to be safe. how safe? it seems like they have to be as safe as water. if a drug is effective in 9/10 patients, but causes uncomfortable side effects in 3/1000 and has a fatality rate of 7/1000000 will it make it to market?

i doubt it. many expect the drugs to be perfectly safe with no side effects.

there is a need for government and/or science. the drugs have to be tested and the data has to be reported honestly and accurately.

that is the function of government. to make sure that the drugs are tested and reported accurately.

the problem is that the gov't is punished for letting drugs with bad side effects through. the solution, don't approve any!

the press always berates the FDA for the fatalities of the approved drug. what about the ones that were rejected that could have saved thousands of lives?

not a word.


McCain has hurt America enough!
McCain has done great harm to America by joining with Democrats to promote harmful legislation like Amnesty & McCain/Feingold.

McCain want's to wipe his butt on our Constitution!
He is anti-gun and want's to prevent grassroots political speech.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Politics/archive /200702/POL20070214b.html

McCain is simply a strawman MSM has erected for the Democrats to defeat.
Voting for McCain in our primary is the same as voting for the Democrat candidate in the General Election!

What a mess
Health care and pharmaceuticals are just another symptom of a nation in decline.

We now import Zucor and Lipitor from Ireland.

Here, our taxes, benefit packages, wages, insurance, regulation, etc. add untold costs. All business costs are passed on to the consumer.

Also, some nations subsidize some things their people get. For example in China, gasoline is subsidized and they pay less than 1/2 for gasoline as we do.

Also our falling dollar is adding cost to everything faster than in other nations for the last several years. Our "real wages" aren't keeping up with inflation.

We are driving many businesses out of the U.S. not just pharmaceuticals. Without total reform of all of our government and ending socialism and returning social programs back to states, we can't get out of this mess. It is a slow process that takes decades but, there is no way out eventually without a lot of misery.

Whit
Your question;
"Is McCain a Republican?"
McCain was once considered as a Democrat candidate for VP!

http://www.bullwinkleblog.com/?p=3925

ROMNEY WON'T CONDEMN PHARMA
In last week's debate Romney criticized McCain's criticism of pharmaceutical companies by saying: "You don't solve the problems of the wager earner by attacking the wage payer."

HIS COMMENT IS SPOT ON. LET'S GET MR. FIXIT INTO WASHINGTON. Mitt Romney, financial wizard, is by far the best qualified candidate to solve our economic problems.

Just a Thought
that the reason we get such "losers" for candidates is, very simply, our own fault. We simply do not want to invest in all it takes to achieve an environment which promotes mental and spiritual growth. For most, that which requires the least amount of effort on one's part is labeled as a "Good Thing." I once fully supported McCain. He bungled it. Now, seeing a small light at the end of the tunnel, you can figure he will say about most anything to get back that momentium that he squandered. Remember McCain=Rhino. Now, if we could just keep Fred Thompson awake!!!!!

We are already importing drugs
Many of our drugs are made in India and China...and then imported here. I take a drug that was ruined by Pfizer when they bought the company that made it, now they make it in France and make it cheaper and less effective. A recent study proved drug companies spend more for marketing than for research.If you don't believe me wait and see a CIALIS commercial wthin five minutes. So this is the gist, These companies are not what they used to be. Like many corporations today the priority is making huge profits and quality be damned.Do they care that producing in China has created massive pollution that we in the US had spent years cleaning up? Do they care that sweatshops and children are toiling in their facilities...??? Do I need to remind you of the toy industry? This is one reason I switched to Independant. Republicans tend to guard the mighty corporations despite the betrayal they have wrought thru their offshoring,sweat shop labor ,and a national allegiance that is no more. Even now as they sell out to multinational interests still the defense of their greed and stupidity goes on.
Forget learning spanish...start learning Chinese!!!

McCain is a traitor
I don't care what MCCain says....selling out this country to Mexico made his comments not worth my time. NEVER, ever would I vote for this Traitor!

McCain vs. Romney Drug Companies
McCain and Romney Disagree About Drug Companies

WATCH VIDEO


http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/mccain-and-romney- disagree-about-drug-companies

Moron
The companies that have given us products that extend our lives by 10-20 years are evil. What a Moron McCain is. He would probably be dead if it were not for the drug companies.

McCain has slipped to last place in my voting folder. I'm not sure Hillary would be any worse.

how to cut prices
We the people pay all taxes, and we are the sole ultimate source of all tax revenue. Regardless where government initially collects the money, all tax money ultimately comes from us, the people, even though business has to pay thousands or millions of dollars at one time and get it back from us one dollar at a time.
Since we the people are the one and only source of all tax revenue:
There should be only one tax to collect all tax revenue.
It should be a single, simple, fair, direct, graduated, individual, full-income tax levied on living persons for each level of government: One Tax and Done.
The best thing that government can do to help the country, the people, and even government, is to repeal all of the many hundreds, or thousands of existing taxes, fees, and charges. These taxes are the federal deficit. These taxes are the high price of everything. These tax cuts are spending cuts. Every tax that is eliminated is a tax that we the people no longer have to pay. These taxes are the difference between the price we pay for health care and everything else, and the price we would pay if these taxes were repealed. Eliminating these taxes will remove them from the price paid for everything by everyone, including government.
There is no limit to the benefits One Tax and Done will provide:
One Tax and Done will reduce the price paid for everything by one-third. Taxpayers can use the money saved for retirement, college tuition, home purchase, etc., all of which will cost one-third less than they do now. This includes the barrel price of oil. Congress can use the money saved to pay off the national debt.

Lily's price differential
American pharmaceutical companies located in the US have to pay all the federal, state, county, municipal, and school taxes where the plant is located, and has to get the money back from the customers located where the taxes are imposed.

American pharmaceutical companies located in the US do not have to pay Mexican taxes. So they don't have to recover the money-not-spent-on-taxes from Mexicans located where the money was not spent on taxes.

If it weren,t for the many US taxes imposed on the companies that transport the medicines to Mexico, the prices in Mexico would probably be even lower.

The answer is to eliminate all the taxes where the medicines are made.

“If Mitt wins, Democrats win”?
Read why the Daily Kos want Dems to vote for Romney in Michigan! What do you think?

From Daily Kos

In 1972, Republican voters in Michigan decided to make a little mischief, crossing over to vote in the open Democratic primary and voting for segregationist Democrat George Wallace, seriously embarrassing the state’s Democrats. In fact, a third of the voters (PDF) in the Democratic primary were Republican crossover votes. In 1988, Republican voters again crossed over, helping Jesse Jackson win the Democratic primary, helping rack up big margins for Jackson in Republican precincts. (Michigan Republicans can clearly be counted on to practice the worst of racial politics.) In 1998, Republicans helped Jack Kevorkian’s lawyer — quack Geoffrey Feiger — win his Democratic primary, thus guaranteeing their hold on the governor’s mansion that year.

With a history of meddling in our primaries, why don’t we try and return the favor. Next Tuesday, January 15th, Michigan will hold its primary. Michigan Democrats should vote for Mitt Romney, because if Mitt wins, Democrats win.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/democrats-for-romn ey


Who Really Knows Best?
A Must Read:
Saturday, January 12, 2008
Senator Santorum and Michael Gerson On John McCain (Bumped)
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 5:07 PM
UPDATE

http://www.townhall.com/blog

for lilly
I apologize if I'm repeating information from a previous post, as I haven't read them all. But for those of you who wonder why imported drugs are "cheaper", I'll explain.

The WTO, communist organization that it is, has decided that drug patents are strictly optional. That means that when a US drug goes on the market, countries like Canada, with their socialized medicine, are allowed to "negotiate" drug prices on a strictly take-it-or-leave-it basis. As the drug company is already out the 800 million it took to research, test, and jump through FDA hoops, it is often in their best interests to choose the take-it option, and sell the drug very close to the cost of manufacturing it, without taking into consideration the aforementioned 800 million dollars.

So how does that drug company recoup the 800 million? By charging US customers what the market supports, that's how.

So when you advocate re-importing prescription drugs, you advocate communism. Drug companies, no longer able to charge what the market will support for their efforts, will simply cease bringing new drugs to market.

Oh, and for any of you who might happen to be fans of socialized medicine, you might consider the fact that in as much as those systems work (which is, not very well), they do so on the backs of the US consumer.

to SteveL
At the risk of speaking from the department of redundancy department, it has nothing to do with a president with "spine". Unless you consider pulling out of the WTO "spine". Gee, I guess you're right, spine does have something to do with it. But not even McCain will pull the US out of the WTO. It'd be a nice thought, but it's not going to happen. If you want a candidate who will do that, you should vote for Ron Paul.

drug companies too strong politically
The pharmaceutical lobby is far too powerful and I commend McCain for having the you know what's to stand up to them. I plan on e mailing him and letting his staff know that I appreciated the statements he made. Most of the dems and repubs running are pharma dogs, bought and paid for.
if the pharmaceutical companies stayed with normal pain medications and those drugs needed for surgeries, etc. I wouldn't have a problem with them. But for them to go bankrupt and not be able to make another Vioxx, or vaccine.... I would dance the night away. They really are destroying the health of this nation and the hundreds of billions of dollars generated by these dispicable drugs are controlling washington, especially the FDA.
I am a staunch conservative and am disgusted with McCain's dealings with Finegold and the immigration issue, but he just earned mega points with my family with his comments on the pharma companies.

Freedom of Speech
I wrote McCain off long before this drug company issue. If I want a Democrat in office, I will vote for a real one.

Incidentally, I have seen a few defenders of McCain but no one who has defended his McCain-Feingold Bipartisan Act to Limit Freedom of Political Speech. Apparently, even its original supporters are a little embarrassed by that unconstitutional travesty. And don't remind me that the Supremes gave it a pass. It was a sad period in our history. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

all those conservatives rooting
for freddie.....if your so conservative..then you shouldnt care how much profit the "pill" companies make,right!when i tell my friends "i dont care how much oil,pharm. companies make!" they go gaw gaw..and almost pass out! isnt that what america enterprises are all about!it's okay for us to make millions but not the other guy!!
DOUBLE STANDARDS!
elvis

not the amount of money
it's not the amoount of money that these companies make that bothers me, ( I'm all for capitalism ), it is how they manipulate washington with all that money. when something is inherently bad, like vioxx or certain useless vaccines like Gardacil or varicella, they would never be able to get it on the market, much less sell it without monetary control of the FDA and legislative control of the houses. there is far too much evidence to support this argument. The pharmaceutical companies are doing this country a disservice and at least McCain has got this right. Though I'm not so sure something like this can sway me considering what feingold and some of his other failures have cost this country.

MANUFACTURING TAX WRITEOFFS
Ask your U.S. lawmakers why drug companies doing business in the U.S. get a tax writeoff for manufacturing out of the U.S. For all their sickening advertising. For R&D?

Why are they allowed to use, at very little cost to them, the R&D carried on at the taxpayer-supported National Institutes of Health?

There was one drug maker sometime back -- and I cannot remember its name -- whose CEO stated that they had only realized about $1 million in profits by use of research carried out by those paid by U.S. taxpayers.

I asked my lawmakers that if $1 million was such a piddling amount to that drug maker, why didn't they return it to the NIH. However, easy come, easy go. After all, it's the "government" paying for it, not them. I never got an answer from my lawmakers. I wonder why.

As them why it is that drug lobbyists are allowed on the House and Senate floors. You won't get an answer. Ask them why lobbyists are allowed to use the Congressional gym. The parking lot. The bathrooms. The halls of Congress. You won't get an answer there, either. I wonder why.

Let's not forget that WE pay for ads, WE pay for some of the R&D, WE pay (in the long run) for all those writeoffs, WE subsidize other countries' prescription drugs; WE subsidize lobbyists; WE pay for all those boxes of tissue; brochures, etc., in doctors' offices; WE pay for the "free" samples; and last but not least, WE pay for the lobbyists' salaries and for the "drug detailers'" salaries.

Don't you just love it?

not to mention.....
hey frigglenitz, while you're at it. ask your law makers why the FDA wants to close down compounding pharmacies that help people like my son recover with natural remedies from the poisoning he received from the vaccines? From my senator, (Barrack OBama) I got a letter stating that the FDA was concerned for the safety of the citizens. So what he's saying is that profitable man made pharmaceuticals are safe and what God has allowed us is dangerous.
I think it has far more to do those lobbyists in the gym, bathrooms and halls of congress...don't you?

CLSR
Ad you can see, I am more than a little riled every time I even see the words "pharmaceutical industry."

Anybody interested, truly interested, as you seem surely to be, should subscribe to the FDA's Weekly Digest, which gives a run-down of drug and device recalls, etc., including the subject matter of your comment, compounding. I don't use any of them myself except for one used on a small lesion on my face (the pharmacist has to mix up a bunch of goopy stuff).

While they're at it, they should also subscribe to a similar digest distributed by the Consumer Products Safety Commission. Last time I got one from them, there were about 10 products recalled, and I believe 8 out of the 10 were made -- guess where?? -- CHINA! You'd never have guessed.

As mentioned, this is a subject that riles me and about which I know a few things.

What I wrote at the very beginning was not a plug for McCain; rather, it was a slug to the so-called intellect that can think only that Big Pharma is all warm and fuzzy. Now don't anybody get me wrong: all successful enterprises are good for all Americans. However, profits are one thing, and profiteering is quite another.

Good luck in your searches.

Pharmaceuticals are already suffering
Pharmaceutical company stocks have been in the toilet for years. Due to regulation and harrassment drugs in the pipeline are decreasing. It costs billions to develop new products that are still a gamble when they are released. To make conditions even worse for the American pharmaceutical industry is insane.

PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY HARASSMENT
Drug companies are so eager to get new drugs down the pipeline (like Vytorin and the other whose name I cannot remember now), that they're pushing the FDA like crazy to allow them to put them on the market.

Then what happens? The news just came out today (for common folk like me) that those two drugs have had to be recalled.

And somebody wonders why the industry is going down the tubes? With all the help it gets?

And now they have a "Partnership with China"? (December 11, 2007, in an FDA newsletter or digest.) Who in the name of common sense wants a drug "partnership with China"? Why don't they just go ahead and make a partnership with the devil? We, the people, will be just about as safe.

FDA's all about safety and efficacy, isn't it?

Partnership with China, my foot.

Comment to Timothy Lee and to Hob
My response was too lengthy; therefore, I have posted a blog on the matter. I will link Mr. Lee's column.

vioxx is "inherently bad"??
Your profound ignorance is showing. There is no credible evidence to link vioxx to heart problems.
Google it, and make sure you include the words "credible" and "evidence".

You are nothing but another ignorant bufoon who gets all his information from the mainstream media.

main stream media?
How idiotic was that statement. The main stream media is nothing but the advertisements for pharma! Dr Tim on ABC is a veritable pharma whore. Why would they overly report an adverse reaction to a drug when their ad dollars are dominated by pharma? I pay close attention to the industry, NOT the media crap they try to get us to believe. If you look at the industry statements more than once you would see that words like "credible" and "evidence" seem to be used when words should be "class action" "plummeting profits" and "criminal negligence". Grow up and realize that the pharmaceutical companies have profits in their sites, not your health.
Of course, somebody that thinks like you would call me ignorant..... I wear those kinds of comments like a badge of honor. open your eyes!

MAINSTREAM MEDIA?
For good measure, I get my information directly from the FDA, in their weekly FDA Digest, available to anyone who has a computer and wants to know at least some of the facts. I also read books.

You would be amazed to know how many recalls and how many black-box warnings are discussed on this site. The FDA is hardly the mainstream media. Believe me, I do not believe the FDA wants very much to be interviewed in the mainstream media.

Occasionally members appear before HHS or FDA Committees, but that is more or less a command performance. Back when McClellan was Commissioner of the FDA (I believe he's a lobbyist now, what else?), he once failed to appear at a Senatorial or House invitation to a hearing. He was later read out pretty well by the Chairman of the Committee and seemed humbled by the rebuke. I must say it was fun to watch. You can catch most of this stuff on CSPAN or SCPAN-2.

There were public meetings held, I believe, in early 2003 re drug reimportation lorded over by T. Thompson of HHS. Twelve industry-connected persons were invited; one was just a public nobody. Anybody in their right mind believe this was an accident? Do you suppose they drew names out of a hat? Uh-huh. Of course.

Anybody want to use Vytorin now?

Why do you see so many mixtures of old meds, the industry creatively making a new one out of a couple of old ones? Because they want another 16 years or so of holding onto the patent so that they do not have to worry about those pesky generics, and so they can make more money money money.

Nobody can know every one of the ins and outs of this industry, but it pays to be informed as much as possible from as many sources as possible. I wouldn't limit my "information" to Timothy Lee. And I'll bet that next time I see my cardiologist, he'll not have that "Vytorin" paper covering his examining table.

to frigglesnitz
it's nice to know that McCain and I aren't the only ones that believe that the pharma industry is inhaerently evil, that they care about nothing but profits and making us sicker to create new meds to aleviate those symptoms that they caused. The FDA's own website is a perfect place to see where the drugs companies are completely incompetent and how the FDA's in colusion with them. I say; Good for John McCain, I may just vote for him yet, if he keeps this up!

Solid Work by Tlee
Tlee nails it. Hopefully McCain will understand these concepts before the Nov. election.
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