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Thursday, March 06, 2008
Thor Tolo :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Gospel According to Mark (Driscoll)
by Thor Tolo
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Truth be told, the preaching pastor of America’s 15th fastest growing church probably likes all the attention. Lord knows, he doesn’t do much to discourage the bloggers who frequently attack his unorthodox approach to fulfilling The Great Commission.

In fact, Mark Driscoll encourages his critics to come by any of the six Seattle area campuses Mars Hill Church calls home.

Blessed with a disarming—but often irreverent—sense of humor, Driscoll has wondered aloud during a sermon if all bloggers live in their mom’s basement, and he’s insisted that any guy who uses doodled hearts to dot his i’s must be gay.

Such off-beat jokes sometimes saturate his Sunday sermons and his exceptionally edgy humor plays well with the worshippers he covets most: the “lost” demographic of church goers who are women and men between the ages of 18 and 35.

About half of Mars Hill’s congregation is young and single in the least churched region of the country, which means the future is fertile for this church of almost 9,000 members and non-members.

“I’ve given my whole life to this place,” Driscoll has said of the church he founded 11 years ago with his wife, Grace, and eight others. “God willing, I will die as pastor of this church.”

Driscoll, just 37 years old and the son of a blue-collar worker, was not quite 26 when Mars Hill became the answer to prayer after he says God spoke to him audibly.

“I was at Washington State when God told me to move back home, start up a family and plant a church in Seattle,” Driscoll says, sounding convinced that no one will doubt it. “Dude, when God speaks to you, it’s the sort of thing you’re just not going to forget.”

When the Lord isn’t talking to this man, kiddingly called a short-fused drama queen by his wife, his critics are blogging about him. Some of the sharper barbs make it difficult for Driscoll to hide the hurt.

When asked why a few of his pastoral peers got worked up over his recent series of sermons on the joy of sex within marriage, Driscoll popped back “because they’re looking at porn.”

No laughter. No chuckle. Not even a smirk. Just a stunned radio host and a few thousand listeners who probably couldn’t believe what they’d just heard from this very misunderstood father of five.

Straight shooters are a dying breed, particularly from the pulpit on Sunday mornings.

Ask Driscoll why alcohol—even consumed responsibly—has become so taboo in the church, he explains how pastors have confused Born Again believers “becoming free in Jesus” with a warped sense of legalism.

Ask Driscoll why the reality of hell isn’t mentioned much anymore by men of the cloth, he first jokes about his faded blue jeans, tennis shoes and untucked shirt disqualifying him as a “man of the cloth,” then points out that too many pastors are afraid to speak the unbridled truth.

In his fifth book, “Vintage Jesus,” the very first page is vintage Driscoll.

“Jesus was born,” he wrote, “in a dumpy, rural, hick town, not unlike those today where guys change their own oil, think pro wrestling is real (and) find women who chew tobacco sexy.

“Most people thought [Mary] concocted a crazy story to cover the ‘fact’ she was knocking boots with some guy in the backseat of a car at the prom.”

It’s the sort of smarmy style that drives a few folks up the proverbial wall. Nationally known contemporary Christian musician Steve Camp is quite possibly Driscoll’s harshest online critic.

Perhaps coincidentally, within a couple weeks of Camp’s claim that Driscoll had blasphemously used Jesus as the punch line to a joke while quoting from the Song of Solomon, Grace Driscoll picked up a ringing phone at home.

“It’s Rick Warren calling,” she said. Mark was so surprised that he asked his wife if she knew what he’d done wrong. Turns out the senior pastor of Saddleback Church just wanted to encourage him.

Rick has a lot of time on his hands, Driscoll joked from the stage last Sunday. All he’s doing is “funding a cure for AIDS” across Africa.

About a thousand laughs went up all at once in Ballard. You almost got the sense somebody, somewhere, was hoping to hack into Warren’s phone records to see if Driscoll was telling the truth.

The young man with more than 201,000 Google hits wasn’t fibbing. The dude one pastor calls a “name-dropping narcissist” had a confident smile on his face.

Blog away.

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Thor Tolo is the host of “Live From Seattle.” His program is heard daily on KGNW-AM 820 in Seattle and at KGNW.com.

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Is the link correct?
I think it's supposed to be .org.

It seems people are hungry
for spiritual food, but need someone else to chew it for them first so they can eat and digest it.

I don't understand the draw of mega churches and mega pastors and everybody and their mother writing books to help us understand the Bible. The pastor always seems more like a savior than a pastor.

I think mega churches are a symptom of a society that no longer knows how to interact with or relate to each other. It's also the only way to be truly tolerant of one another......never knowing the person sitting next to you.

Maybe we've become socially stunted by technology. Technology is our new friend, even though it's time consuming it never asks for anything back.

Maybe we want a church we can hide in. I guess that's better than no church.



C.H.
I think you are on to something. Call me old fashioned but I don't think his line about the Virgin Mary was at all funny or clever and I'm not Catholic. It seems all too many of the contemporary pastor/churches/writers have forgotten that God is a HOLY God and to even
talk so crudely about Jesus's conception is
disgusting. And I'm by no mean legalistic, I
hate legalism, I don't care if someone visits my church having long hair and ear rings, I've seen too many who have come in from a street ministry and over a period of time the Lord changes them without anyone tut tuting about their apparel.
I wonder how many of these kinds of preachers/churches really emphasize the atonement and that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I'd guess that many
of them just tickle the ears, there are very few
Billy Grahams these days.

Tea Party
I don't know.

I keep waiting for the fruit. A tree is known by it's fruit...is that how many books you've written?

I don't know anything about Mark Driscoll. Maybe he's a good preacher. My complaint is that there is something wrong if you need 'a preacher'. These mega churches seem to reach a lot of people, but is there the growth one would want to see?

I believe him when he says God called him, etc... but I've found in my own life that God hasn't allowed me to stay the same or in one place or with the same people. I worry about christians, including pastors, who park themselves and are the same 20 years from now as they were the day they started.



Pastors
need to be laying into their congregations as the divorce rate among Christians is about the same as the secular world (among other vices). It's getting hard to tell them apart anymore.

CT
That's what I mean by fruit. The areas where these churches are have no reported improvement in what ails society.


There
are some but most seem to be entertainment on a Sunday morn. I appreciate really good preaching but there's a difference when the one preaching is so casual he's giving his people the wrong impression as to what it means to be a Christian.
I was baptized, confirmed and married (to a conservative Lutheran) in the Episcopal Church.
It left me around the time women were ordained, I don't believe it's scriptural unless someone can explain how a woman can be the husband of one wife. We were hungry for a deeper relationship with the Lord, and have been non denominational for 28 years, my husband has recently begun a late in life career change, having been ordained last year, after years as a lay minister.

CT
That's exactly what's wrong with the American Christian church. It's lost it's first love,
and we won't see anything in the fruit basket or not much fruit til the church returns to the
Cross. There's no such thing as sin anymore, and
people are dying because the church wants to be more contemporary.
How close to the Lord is the pastor? How much
time does he spend in prayer and studying? We have attended a mega church for about a year in the South. The pastor was a fantastic preacher, and he didn't take any prisoners, he told it like it is. He didn't sugar coat anything to tickle ears. But it was till too big. Now the one we attend now, is about the humblest in the city, not many of us, but the Pastor is a humble, man that reflects the love of Christ.
He preaches the Cross and Him Crucified. He's not flashy but he is a praying man, and really
loves the Lord. I guess that kind of pastor isn't what the younger generation wants.

C.H. and Tea Party,
God bless. You are on the right path.

Mark's Hill Church
Sir Thor:

Thanks for the mention and sorry I called in the second hour when Mark had already left the building. My kids take the priority…

The issue with Mark is simple: 1. a lack of reverence and transcendence for the Lord Jesus Christ in his preaching. 2. his needless scatological, foul, and vulgar humor (even on occasion using the Lord's name as a punch-line) while preaching. and 3. his deficient view of the power of the gospel to really change lives. He believes that unless he contextualizes its message, people won't get it and the gospel itself won't have any impact.

He is selling his own brand of emerging, ecumenical, pomo-reformed, culturally enriched faith laced with invectives, graphic sexuality, sordid jokes, wresting the Scriptures to make them mean something they didn't intend, and yes, using the Lord as his punch-line.

Here’s the dirty little secret: it’s not that the people of Seattle require this, it’s that he likes it.

In Mark's world, it's the culture that interprets Scripture, rather than Scripture that interprets the culture. His insolent thoughts directed to the Lord (whom he calls dude) continue to reveal a slapdash view for the person and character of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Word. Even in incarnation, John the Baptist said of Jesus that he was unworthy to untie his shoes.

Your quote from Mark about “Mary and Joseph knocking boots in the back seat of a car on prom night” sounds like he studied hermeneutics at the Chris Rock Cannabis Theological Institute for the Neo-Reformed.

Mark is a gifted communicator - no question. But, he is a pastor (remind him of that). He is a pastor; and should conduct himself as one who is under the heavenly charge to preach the Word in season and out of season and leave the high school bad-boy antics behind.

Think biblically; not culturally.

Man oh man
These self-appointed messiah complexes keep coming out of the woodwork. And then merely go about the business of re-arranging the furniture in the same old house.

No wonder the unsaved think we're nuts and want nothing to do with the Gospel.

Maybe it's symptomatic of something.

Lo here and Lo there
Rmember that Jesus warned us not to pay attention when people started coming out of the woodwork and saying Lo I Am He.

However, having spent a lot of time on public transit and in public buildings over a lifetime, I sadly conclude that this filthy-mouthed, snarky, sneering little Bevis and Butthead clone is in fact representative of the GrabbyBaby Generation reared in absentia by Generation Whine. The result of a lifetime believing everything is about getting laid and dirty language is the only language because it upsets Mom and Dad,is Mark Driscoll masquerading as a Christian Pastor. You reap what you sow.

A generation whose sole priority was its wee-wee should not be surprised when this dirty little man finds a congregation of dirty little boys and girls.

Remember
the Gospel according to God.

Love is His command.

Are you loving your breathren, with your words?

Because when you do not, you bring our world to a poorer condition.

His lessons will prove themselves, with us, or without us.

Where are you?
Where do you stand with God? Are you born again in Christ Jesus and doing His will for your life? Consider the board in your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from another's eye. It all comes down to the final point - when we as individuals stand before a holy God to give an accounting to Him, and we all will, is Jesus going to be there standing with you?

Mr. Camp…

Thanks for your input. When the churches are ruled by Jesus Christ through the faithful preaching of His Word then the culture is sanctified by His people who are compared to salt and light. We know that the Word is sharp to the piercing of the heart whenever it goes forth.

I am curious about your use of the word ‘reformed’ in reference to Pastor Driscoll. Cultural influences coming into the church are historically associated with our Arminian brethren.

Nellie
Thank you.

We should remember also that by their fruits we shall know them. I don't know what Driscoll's fruits are (as opposed to his style of rhetoric). I'd have to know that first before forming an opinion -- and since my opinion on this doesn't really matter, I should save myself the trouble anyway. God DOES know what Driscoll's fruits are.

This reminds me of the longstanding conflict over worship styles. People get so judgmental about the style that doesn't call to them, having the audacity to read information about other people's relationship with God into their preferred style of worship. I appreciate churches that offer different-style services to accommodate everyone.

No one responds positively to perpetual rebuke of his personality and being. Young adults who were not raised to be more modest in their speech and thoughts still need to be reached by the gospel -- not have it implied to them that there is something wrong with them that must be cleaned up before they can hear about Jesus. That cleaning process starts -- for all of us --AFTER we hear and receive. Let God do His work in their hearts. He is able.

ValiantForTruth
Thank you for your encouraging words and question.

You said, "I am curious about your use of the word ‘reformed’ in reference to Pastor Driscoll. Cultural influences coming into the church are historically associated with our Arminian brethren."

You are correct and I fully agree. Mark says he is reformed; but when you carefully examine his teaching ministry and how he even shapes his church, it is only a label he wears - not a theological belief system that governs every aspect of ministry. BTW, he considers MHC not really a church, but a movement. That is key in understanding his trajectory in ministry.

By definition, Mark is a pragmatist. If you listened to his individual Q & A session from the recent Resurgence Conference, he was speaking about church growth and it was completely pragmatic. No wonder Rick Warren contacted him to urge him on; because Mars Hill Church is nothing but the seeker-sensitive movement with an attitude. There was little or nothing of the sovereignty of God in Driscoll's church growth model. Most guys who use gimmicks, tricks, techniques, etc. to attract a crowd, become slaves to the trends of the times and are governed by numbers. Numbers IS the "theology" that justifies his skylarking, shock flock methods, and crude ways. Mark is obsessed with them. But success in ministry, biblically, is never measured by numbers, but by truth and faithfulness (1 Tim. 4:12-16).

Pray for Mars Hill that it will recover a high view of God in ministry, and will honor the authority of God's Word in worship. That he will be content to proclaim the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ resting in the confidence that IT alone is the power of God unto salvation and leave behind the childish antics and give himself over to a sobriety of heart and mind in his preaching and leadership with reverence for Christ's sake.

Think biblically - not culturally.
Steve
2 Cor. 4:5-7

Once again . . .
How are we to judge this pastor? How is his "interpretation" deficient when compared to others? Why is what he doing "wrong?" Because we *think* so? Because it doesn't match *our* conception of a "good church/pastor?" This is all we are left with if we ignore Holy Tradition. I know many of you are probably sick of reading this same speech, but I cannot sit by and let the constant condemnation of a man like this go by whilst the ideological underpinnings that have led this pour soul to this point are the same ones that underly all of Protestantism.

Luther, Zwingli and Calvin were nothing if not innovators. Though they tried to appeal to the parts of Holy Tradition they liked and tried to establish themselves in positions of authority, the inevitable result was schism upon schism as these leaders, who introduced naked egocentrism into the Faith, were powerless to stop it. After all, they couldn't tell others to stop without being hypocritical. In other words, Mr. Driscoll is, like Rick Warren, simply the latest result of what the West has sown.

the sinner,

Charles

This man is a pastor...
The response regarding other pastors voicing concerns, "because they're looking at porn", is typically crude and evasive. He consistently chooses to ignore legitimate questions that folks are raising about him. This is a common move from Driscoll - projecting on to others rather than dealing with people's concerns biblically. We must remember that this man is a pastor. There are very specific instructions given for pastors in 2Timothy 4:1-5. This is how and where we judge the man in his office.
Mark is not only failing to guard the trust of pastoral leadership in guarding the truth from the pulpit, he is also failing to guard his wife.
When Driscoll gives his personal expository sex talks from the Song of Solomon, why doesn't Mark protect his wife in these rants of his? Why publicly portray even indirectly in crude ways references to his private intimate times with his own spouse? He is planting graphic pictures of their intimate relationship into the minds of his congregation and opening the door for all sorts of mischief.
This is not the conduct of a man of God.

Flaunting the Gospel
Who was the preacher who's knee's would shake from the fear of misrepresenting Gods Holy Word?
Moody, Spurgen, Edwards, Tozer? Pastor Driscoll like Rick Warren,is in it for the praise of men! Any justification of these men, perpetuates their actions!

Mark Driscoll
Perhaps Pastor Driscoll is "uncouth" in comparison to the average preacher, but these days, unfortunately, it is hard to find a preacher that is both biblical and bold. Driscoll is both of these. He may be offensive at times, but he is also consistent and stands unmoving upon God's Word. He may be "in-your-face" but frankly, that is what the world needs. Yes, teachers and preachers will be held to a higher standard, but that does not mean they should be expected to be without sin. I live in the Chicago area but have listened to Driscoll's sermons, particularly The Peasant Princess, multiple times on the Mars Hill website. I have felt called out by Pastor Mark several times as a result but it is the mark of a mature believer to grow from that and not to automatically assume that because I've been offended he must be wrong. This I know about Mark Driscoll: he is a great sinner who knows and introduces others to the great Savior; he lives and encourages redemption; and he constantly emphasizes how we are all made with "dignity, vaule, and worth"
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