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Tuesday, January 06, 2009
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Economic "Stimulus"
by Thomas Sowell
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Two centuries ago, when there were plans to create a huge fund of money to pay off Britain's national debt, the great classical economist David Ricardo objected on grounds that-- no matter what the money was said to be for-- politicians could spend it for whatever they wanted.

Two centuries later, we have not yet caught up to that plain reality, even though the $700 billion that was supposed to be used to rescue financial institutions has already begun to be spent on other things.

Regardless of what President Bush or Secretary of the Treasury Paulson may have had in mind when they promoted this huge bailout package, with all due respect to these gentlemen what they had in mind will not matter in the slightest after January 20th.

All that money is just a gift to the Democrats to spend in whatever ways will advance the interests of their constituents and of the Democratic Party.

It was not just a gift of money-- huge though that is-- it is also a gift of exemption from Republican criticism, even for the bailout of General Motors, which President Bush began, even when Congress refused to give GM the money without preconditions. It is a political get-out-of-jail-free card that can cover whatever disasters the Democrats create on their own in the years ahead.

The whole idea behind the "stimulus" package begins to look more and more dubious as the outlines of the policy begin to take shape.

Take the idea that much of this money will be spent on "infrastructure." This certainly sounds good-- until you stop and think about it. So do most political notions.

Does spending on infrastructure mean that the money is going to be spent filling potholes and repairing bridges? Or will it be spent creating new things?

One of the key reasons why infrastructure gets neglected, in the first place, is that there is very little political pay-off to filling potholes and repairing bridges, compared to spending that same money creating community centers, bike paths and other things.

These new things create opportunities for ribbon-cutting ceremonies that give politicians favorable free publicity in the media. But nobody holds ribbon-cutting ceremonies for filling in potholes or repairing bridges.

The whole process is biased toward doing new things, even if the repair and maintenance of existing infrastructure would serve the public interest better.

But, even in the unlikely event that the public interest triumphs over special interests, there is another very important difference between repair and maintenance activities, on the one hand, versus building new things on the other.

New things require long delays before they can get started, especially when they have to be done by politicians. Someone once said that Congress would take 30 days to make instant coffee-- and Congress is just the beginning of the delays, as all sorts of competing interests jockey for position at the public trough.

Just putting together an environmental impact report for something new to be built can be a long process, especially if its findings are challenged by environmental extremists, who pay very little price for challenging, even if the delays caused by their challenges cost others millions of dollars.

In short, it can be years before the money that is supposed to stimulate the economy actually gets into the economy. And nobody knows what the economy will be like when that money finally gets into circulation.

A common problem with government economic policies in general is that it is very hard to predict how long it will be before the policy actually affects the economy. An economic stimulus policy created during a contraction in demand can take effect during an inflationary expansion of demand-- and fuel still more inflation.

A trillion dollars or so, created out of thin air by a government that already has a huge deficit, can set off another round of inflation that can take some very painful new policies to bring under control-- or can have even more painful effects, if it is not brought under control. The new administration may need that get-out-of-jail-free card.

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stimulus article
good article but the whole mess can be traced back to the gutless republicans when they had control did nothing. they are in serious danger of going the way of the whigs.

Bush is an Idiot
How can you expect a moron like Bush to have command over our nations economy when he doesn't even have command of the english language.

pathetic jerks
After 8 years of Bush our economy is floundering
and you idiots voted for the neo clown twice!
I promise you stupid republicans the state of the nation will be in much better condition in four years.

I know that you think that people should keep their own money and that will help our economy. For example we should let cigerette companies keep their money so they can sale more cigeretts. Rather then waisting our money on needless infrastructure such as Highways, sewer systems, water aquadocts it has just been a big waste of money. Right stupid republicans?

Union Payoff?
Like most of you here I am concerned about the economy but I am not convinced that Obama's stimulus plan will work. Like some of you have pointed out, Obama owes Big Labor BIG-TIME, especially in cities like Chicago, New York, Detroit, Philadelphia,etc. I belong to a union, the during the two weeks before the election, I received pro-Obama mail literally every day (I don't like my dues money being used this way, but there's not much I can do about it). Anyway, I just wonder if these "infrastructure jobs" will go to people that really need them, or union hacks?

Welfare!
Fred,
It wasn't your money that you got from Uncle Sam. It was my money! And I had to buy gas too!

Roads and Bridges, my behind!
Infrastructure. Translation: Dump tons of money into inner city housing projects, schools and so-called "jobs training" programs.

And there might be a road or two that gets built along the way.

Where Is Common Sense?
The elections of 2006 & 2008 just proved that Americans have no common sense whatsoever.

Common sense is not something that is taught in school, it is taught by parents and it looks like we have a generation of people that parents have failed to instruct in commmon sense.

What a pity! So many people ignorant of their own ignorance.

Our country is in the midst of a crisis that will be played out through ignorance of common sense.

When you put Americans in power that care more about their own power to obstruct our personal freedom, what do you have? TRAITORS.

I will stand on the sidelines and watch how we allowed ourselves to be destroyed and hope someone emerges through the flames with common sense.

Bush's stimulus last year
Sent direct payments to the taxpayers to get the money into the economy immediately. But even that plan took about 6 months or more to get all the checks out. I do not know if it actually helped the economy, but it did reimburse me for high priced gasoline I had to buy last year.

No country
has ever taxed or spent their way to prosperity.

Bo is adding fuel to the fire, contact your senator.

http://www.senate.gov



REMEMBER ADAM SMITH?
If we would all remember a few things, perhaps this "dire consequence" will not come about.
1. Give me liberty, or give me death.
2. Learn to live within "your" means...not someone else's (aka "haves and haves a lot")
3. Wean yourself from government aid and influence in your life
4. Take care of your own family...and when you do that then see if you can help teach others the same
5. Realize that politicians do not know more than you...therefore, relying on them to solve a crisis situation is pointless. Solve your own problems!

Liberty, Common Sense, Self-Reliance, and Gratitude for all that we have. Learn it, live it, love it!

The Stimulus Bill Is A Sham
It's PREDICTABLE that the guys in Washington D.C. don't "get it." They are, for the most part, lawyers and political science majors interested in winning votes, not businesspersons and economists.

Tom
Indiana

Congress
Mark Twain said, "If congress had been present when the deity said, let there be light, we never would have had any."

The Stimulus Bill is a Sham
Cal is right - infrastructure is a local issue. By pretending that the US government has enough money to federalise it (it does not), we have suckered local officials into canceling spending awaiting the BIG BAILOUT. It won't come. 99% of all water infrastructure spending has been local in the past. Where does the Federal government think it will get the money to start paying for that? By a Federal tax on our water bills? What is happening is the talk of the stimulus bill has stopped all municipal spending, pulling 10-20% of capital spending from the economy. Tragic that the guys in DC just don't get it.

The Great Decline
As with all great societies, we're witnessing the great decline of the latest experiment in government!

JUST PUT IT ON MY TAB
If the incoming liberal government can simply print up money and apply it to our deficit tab using this money then to pay for for whatever congress decides it 'wants' (these 'wants' used to be called earmarks, now they're called necessary stimulators) the American taxpayers should simply send the IRS a letter at tax time requesting them to print up the money the taxpayer owes and "Just put it on my tab".
This would 'stimulate' our economy and 'vibrate' our government by shocking them into the realization that the Peters of our Country refuse to continue to be robbed by the Pauls in government.

Earmarks and "without review?"
This entire bail out is a fraud on the American people and not a very funny joke. The State of California is about to go bankrupt in February and they want to send IOUs for tax refunds and raise taxes while people are losing their jobs and the unemployment offices are the only agencies hiring. Obama was reported to say that there are "no earmarks," but it appears that 99.9% of the people didn't hear him rapidly say as if in a whisper on the tape "without review." That's typical lawyer for you, he left the door open to review the earmarks so they can approve the earmaks and say, "Well, I told the people that earmarks would be approved after reviewed. Lawyers are very clever and the country is now run by lawyers - the Obamas and the Clintons and Biden and the Trial Lawyers and legislatures and Justice Department - now how do you explain that there are so many not following the laws of the land and took an oath to uphold the supreme laws of the land, yet turned their backs on Article II which they vowed to uphold for all people, not for some?

Seneca
Did you see where Obama said they would be no pork in his stimulus package? ROFLMAO

The Economic Stimulus
Only a year ago everyone was condeming the "special members items" that grew to an outrageous pork roll of $17 billiion. I think the entire country knows the cat-call of "bridge to nowhere". But this was only about $300 million, which multiplied ten-fold is $3 billion, which multiplied ten-fold agsin is $300 billion.
With this stimulus we will fund the selfish
wet-dreams of 100 Senators (well,up to 99 of them, 'cause John McCain won't take his share). But, Washington will call it "infrastructure spending", declare it Good for the country, and pretend to be Saviours for throwing our money at...what. We will have gone from $17 billion of just-plain-pork to some $400 billion of stimulating-pork in the blink of an eye.

Chris...

Go with your first thought :-)

The devil's in the details.

And the details spell... O-B-A-M-A-N-A-T-I-O-N

The Andrew Cuomo Legacy

"There are as many starting points for the mortgage meltdown as there are fears about how far it has yet to go, but one decisive point of departure is the final years of the Clinton administration, when a kid from Queens without any real banking or real-estate experience was the only man in Washington with the power to regulate the giants of home finance, the Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA) and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), better known as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Andrew Cuomo, the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history, made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country's current crisis. He took actions that—in combination with many other factors—helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments. He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded "kickbacks" to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. Three to four million families are now facing foreclosure, and Cuomo is one of the reasons why."

By Wayne Barrett

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuom o-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/

Another Obama friend deserting

Hugo Chavez - darling of Liberals - announced Monday, January 5, 2009 that he was “temporarily” suspending its oil donations for the low-income program based in Massachusetts.

Citgo will yank $100 million in support for the nonprofit Citizens Energy.

Hundreds of thousands of needy Americans in 23 states and on Indian reservations will have to go elsewhere to get heating fuel, because Citizens no longer has the resources, spokesman Joe Kennedy said.

He also announced that 20 employees would be laid off from Citizens Energy, immediately.

Federal Stimulus
My first thought about the stimulus package is that it is a union payoff by the democrats.

Obama will
create 3 million new jobs, with 600,000 of them govt jobs for those that can read English, 2.4 million for those that can't, and the other 17 million illegal aliens will staff his domestic gestapo.

LoLo1 #140
I wrote to our city how the city's maintenance dept. sucks. I listed a number of projects were let to rot, and how they spend large amounts of money to rebuild them. I know just what you mean.

pdm: It's the taxes on employers that drive them and the jobs they provide out of the country. One Tax and Done is not imposed on employer companies.

beowolfe #139: Those "endangered" insects are probably the Anopheles mosquito that spreads deadly diseases.

Redistribution Of Wealth Via Taxes
Wiseone offers, "What is the difference between Obama's "tax cut" and 'redistribution of wealth'? Answer: nothing."

Absolutely right!

Looking For A Good Idea? I Got One!
Happy Rationalist offers, "Until both parties and it's party members, i.e. me and you, learn to contribute ideas more often than insults, the consequences of our anger, resentment and egoism will hold us all hostage to inaction, ineffectiveness, corruption, and failure."

Agreed.

Government sponsored welfare institutionalizes bad behavior and poverty. From corrupting tariffs to protect failing business ventures to free money to silence or reward the unemployed, unwanted or disenfranchised, Government does more harm than good.

The short-sighted view is that it makes us feel good to be thought of as givers and it quells the complainers, somewhat. The longer view, of course, is that it only hides a problem from public view and guarantees its perpetual and growing existence, albeit under the radar of guilt.

If we drop Government sponsored welfare, people and industries will adapt just fine. People and industries are excellent adaptors, if you let them.

wiseone
I see that “Military” Mario is once again insulting his betters. Wiseone, you prove your wisdom by ignoring the cretin. Your only mistake was to give him any attention. Once he has gotten someone to lend credence to his existence he then goes on to rant and jabber endless nonsense until the poor individual gives up trying to talk sense to him. Once the victim has given up on the imbecile he claims victory.

Whenever Mario addresses you the appropriate response to use his own tactics; call him reject something or other (Mario uses this insult more than any other I have noticed. Probably projecting). And then when you make a good point Mario frequently replies with “whatever” like the child he is. Like you, I recently placed Mario with Hal, Ranger, koolmuse and their ilk; I see their name on a posting I move on and ignore them. When you see a rat scurrying in the gutter you keep your distance and let them move on to the sewer where they belong.

Mario reminds me of a man I know who used to go out near Interstate 70 and US 40 and scream nonsense into his CB to annoy the truckers. He thought he was hilarious and he loved it when the truckers became upset. He lived for their responses. When they figured out to ignore him and just turn the channel he became very despondent and eventually sold his CB. Nowadays he gets his jollies by turning in people for parking in one spot for too long.

Bush the moderate
Bush’s support for the stimulus package along with his neglect of the border is precisely why I do not consider him a conservative. His handling of the terrorists is his only saving grace.
That the money may be used to build showy monuments to our elected idiots should not surprise anyone.

HappyRationalist
writes, "Thank you, Lolo1
for your thoughtful response, you were the only one."

Aw, my feelings are hurt:) Can I sue for that?

Obama's $300 billion "tax cut"
I have refrained from commenting on this until now because details from Obama on this are sorely lacking. This is consistent with the way he ran his campaign; bragging about the results he would achieve but very short on means, methods, and techniques he would use to achieve them.

Now I know. Obama intends to implement "change" by redefinition.

As poster TomasPain pointed out, the left commonly lies by redefining what they're doing.

"Pro-abortion" becomes "Pro-choice"
"Health insurance taxes" becomes "Health care"
"Union members" becomes "Working class Americans.
"Oil depletion allowance" becomes "Corporate Welfare"

Most importantly, "Tax cuts for people who actually pay taxes" becomes "Tax cuts for the rich"

Obama has seized upon this last lie for his $300 billion "tax cut".

It's not a tax cut at all. It's a welfare program. Obama proposes to write checks to people who had no income in 2008 and to businesses that lost money. These people, by the Tax Code, have NO TAX LIABILITY for 2008.

They're not getting a "tax cut". They're getting a handout. At the expense of people who DID work and businesses that were run competently and thus made a profit.

What is the difference between Obama's "tax cut" and 'redistribution of wealth'? Answer: nothing.

So now TomasPain can add another lie to his list.

"Redistribution of wealth" becomes "Tax cut".

why can't I pull up Opinions ?
why can't I pull up Opinions ?

Truth Hurts?
I am PO'd at the whole lot.

Thank you, Lolo1
for your thoughtful response, you were the only one. I can only assume that the extreme propaganda that lumps all people of Liberal views in with those crazy, leftist radicals that want to take over the world and act as enablers to total govt control of our every breath has taken root. I have many, many liberal friends, probably because I am a Fiscal Conservative, not a Social one.

Our belief in liberties for everyone, even if we don't belong to their group, is what should be the common denominator amongst differing ideologies and it is this wish that I share with my Liberal brethren.

Both parties have contributed wonderful ideas, programs, art, science, and technology to this great nation and both parties have done damage that when reflection of past events brings clarity we become painfully aware of our culpability as participants and observers who did nothing or were powerless to try.

Until both parties and it's party members, i.e. me and you, learn to contribute ideas more often than insults, the consequences of our anger, resentment and egoism will hold us all hostage to inaction, ineffectiveness, corruption, and failure.

Mod
Thanks for your blessing.

You see all Conservatives aren't bad.

Michigan Taxes
I live in Michigan where we have a very liberal democrat govenor. She has managed to raise taxes and red tape so high for businesses that business is leaving michigan as fast as they can but she has no clue why there is no new jobs, she keeps saying that any minute now jobs are going to magically appear and save us but guess what.

Why is it always a 'White Democrat'?

Why is it always a 'White Democrat' that stands in the doorway denying entrance to a 'Black American?

Harry Reid and his Klan of 50.

Harry Reid made it clear to Gov. Blagojevich, a few days before the good Governor was charged with trying to sell the Obama Senate seat that he did NOT want Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones (all black).

"Inside Sources say the Senate majority leader pushed against Jackson and Davis -- both democratic congressmen from Illinois -- and against Jones -- the Illinois Senate president who is the political godfather of President-elect Barack Obama -- because he did not believe the three men were electable."

Reid accomplished the almost impossible

Harry Reid has accomplished the 'Almost Impossible' feat of having less regard for the law, less responsibility and likability than Rod Blagojevich.

Liberal political incompetence is breathtaking.

Another
well thought out and voiced article Mr. Sowell, now if only congress would install the fair tax and do away with the IRS, America's economy would have the biggest jump start in history. Oops can’t do that, I forgot the fair tax also gets rid of lobbyists and the ability to buy votes. As a small business owner who has been over taxed for years and after reading the new big O plan for the so called stimulus pack I didn’t read anything in it that helps my business.

Computer in every classroom
This isn't necessary and looks like to sop to Silicone Vlley for election support. It will create jobs in china and Japan, not here.

Mod Mark
"It would not surprise me to see a low cost PHEV emerge in China, they are investing heavily in electric production and could leverage this for transportation ie: charge them up at night."

They already have this, and have had it for many years. Last June I had the opportunity to visit southern China, and it would amaze you to see how many small electric scooters were the primary mode of transportation for many people. These scooters are very affordable -- which, considering the area I visited was not the wealthiest of areas, is vitally important.

However, this really is only viable in the big cities. Such vehicles are utterly useless in the 85% of China that is in the more...what we would call "underdeveloped" regions. They are a long ways off from either 1) developing those areas or 2) getting affordable non-gas powered transportation in those areas.

The bottom line is that for China to reach a point in its economic development to turn to such alternatives as more electic powered cars, they first will end up growing their oil consumption considerably. The United States is in a far better position in the short term to develop these alternatives here than China is to reversing their growing need for oil.

As an added tidbit of information, according to the Department of Energy statistics, our total oil imports have been falling, not rising, since 2005, and the amount we import from the Persian Gulf has been falling since 2003. The spike in oil prices has possibly started the ball rolling in this country to reverse the trend for the rising need for oil. We shall see, though.

beowulfe
Gee...you make California sound wonderful with your description of MA!

Granite Eagle
"can say with sincerity, that if Obama lowers taxes on everyone (everyone who pays taxes of course) I will applaud his action, since it goes with my belief of lower taxation. If he shrinks government (fat chance) then I will applaud his action, since it goes with my belief in smaller government."

Already lost one since Obama is projected to add 600,000 jobs to the government payroll.

Denise

"Subject: Lolo1
Hi! I hope that you are having a great day.

I wonder what happened to Happy Holidays/Sophie? Perhaps, she OD'd on the Kook-Aid."


I am despite having to pay bills! Sophie is like gum on the bottom of your shoe...she never truly leaves.

Granite Eagle
"however, nothing Bush did during his presidency was ever going to measure up, and he was relentlessly pursued by the media and left."

Yep, indeed. I said from day 1 that even if Bush were to invent a cure for all diseases known to may, eliminate all world poverty, end all wars, and build a better mousetrap, the headline of every paper accross the country would read "EVIL BUSH COMMITS GENOCIDE ON HELPLESS MICE!"

Like I said, Bush essentially gave Democrats everything they wanted...including a submissive scapegoat...but none of that was enough.

What are they going to do now that they can't blame the "R" for all the world's ills is really the only question left to be answered?

Methinks we already know the answer to that simply by looking at the way things are going here in the CommonTheft of Taxachusetts. We have a Democrat governor, Republicans hold only 21 out of 200 seats in our state congress, and EVERY SINGLE elected state office is held by a Democrat, yet those evil Republicans are blamed for everything wrong in this state.

A while back I even had the opportunity to speak with one of our congressmen at one of our local sushi joints, and I gave him a laundry list of complaints in this state -- taxes are too high for what we get in return, crime has been on the rise for a few years, our schools suck, our fiscal situation sucks, Big Dig, Turnpike tolls, massive corruption on Beacon Hill... His response? I kid you not, but his response was "it's all Republicans' fault."

It is utter LUNACY to try to pin ANY of the blame on Republicans for the dire straights we're in here. Even IF we still had a Republican governor, the ONLY power he would have is that of the bully pulpit. Democrats have had a veto-proof majority in our state congress for a few decades now.

But, alas, facts don't matter. One thing Democrats are good at is telling a good story, and that's all that matters here in the year 2009.

Happy
HappyRationalist
Location: FL
Reply # 141
Date: Jan 6, 2009 - 3:11 PM EST

Happy.
Liberals want to be lead. They don't want to make decisions for themselves.

Easy differentiation, I think.

Conservatives want government et all out of our lives when it comes to making decisions. Less intervention, more individualism.

Liberals want government in our lives. They want to be taken care of.

Which is why liberals focus so strongly on having power...so they can get their government interventionist policies implemented....so they can sit back and believe that they will be taken care of.

I can say with sincerity, that if Obama lowers taxes on everyone (everyone who pays taxes of course) I will applaud his action, since it goes with my belief of lower taxation. If he shrinks government (fat chance) then I will applaud his action, since it goes with my belief in smaller government.

On the other hand......liberals were given quite a bit by Bush....what did he get??

They are just a miserable lot.......who, when given what they want, do nothing but ask for more.


Denise
Hate to tell you, but I saw a post of Sophie's the other day. I think it was on Burt Prelutsky's latest thread. Every time we think we're finally rid of her, she re-surfaces again - like swamp gas rising from a bog.

HappyRationalist
writes, " The whole concept of our Liberty was radical and leftist."

Radical, yes. Leftist, no. Every leftist revolutionary takeover in the world has resulted in the elimination of freedom. How can you call our revolution leftist? Again, it is impossible to discuss such things without a common definition of terms. Most liberals believe communism is leftist and fascism is right wing when both ism's are virtually identical. If that is the case it renders right and left meaningless. In actuality they are both leftist.

Lolo1
Hi! I hope that you are having a great day.

I wonder what happened to Happy Holidays/Sophie? Perhaps, she OD'd on the Kook-Aid.

HappyRationalist
Unfortunately, the meaning of words change over time. A modern liberal has nothing in common with our founding fathers and much in common with Karl Marx. Today's classical liberals are called conservatives or libertarians. It makes discussion of such things very difficult, I know.

Today's conservatives would call Obama's national civilian security force the Gestapo, a very liberal position. Today's liberals would embrace it right up to the point when they are put in prison, then, and only then would they agree with the label.

Happy Rationalist

"Subject: More on subject...
Until this new administration signs the first bill that takes away one of my rights, my property, or dictates my values, I'm not going to waste a lot of time hyperventilating. If they want to spend money here, great. Show me on what and I'll congratulate the govt on spending my money here. If they want to tax and spend then spending on domestic programs is good as it puts money back in the economy. If a lot of self congratulatory ribbon cutting ceremonies and self promoting press releases make them feel better and more willing to do the right thing then I'll clap loud enough for them to hear me."


You lost me here since the money they want to spend they are borrowing at mach 5.

Correction on Mario & Mohammed Atta II
The last paragraph should have been more clear...

"Mario, there is no such thing as a "free lunch" as the postman always rings twice, but the Taxman never rings at all. He just takes from wherever he can. Eventually, the bill will come due and even you will have to pay for it."

beowulf
Good points.........

My point is that he was held up as the poster child of all that is wrong with the US and republicans and how electing liberals will turn the economy around and make life better. And he allowed himself to be presented in that way.

The left was given a free pass when they took control of the legislature since they knew they could do what they pleased and blame Bush for any results from it.

Katrina hit a city rife with corruption, poverty and greed. First line of responsibility lies with the city officials...none of them were ever held to answer for their failings. Second line of responsibility lies with the state government....none of them were ever held to answer for their failings.
Third line of responsibility....federal government. Bush. Skewered.

The truth mattered not........

All this after giving the left all they wanted for special programs and watching spending increase.

Your comments are spot on......however, nothing Bush did during his presidency was ever going to measure up, and he was relentlessly pursued by the media and left.

Denise
"For all Ds & Rs, who vote for this cr@p, I hope that you can read my middle finger, as well as those of my sons and any unborn heirs, from here!

Mario, there is no such thing as a "free lunch" as the postman always rings twice, but the Taxman never does. Eventually, the bill will come due and even you will have to pay for it."


I have to agree, and as people continue to wage class envy and warfare I notice the word 'equality' never comes into the argument of taxes, but always the word 'fair'. Since we are a nation based upon equality I would like to know why that is. Suddenly if someone becomes rich their rights become less, and their tax burden becomes much more, and yet they are supposed to be equally treated under the eyes of the law and the Constitution.

Mario
you have so much hate in you and have latched on to the false class warfare soun bites used by politicians that you completely miss the point

as the other poster stated so well -- the wealthy are never really taxed. it is the higher than average earners in the middle class -- that would be your high achievers like doctors, lawyers, small businessmen. Or worse still two-income households consisting of a teacher and a fireman with years of experience.

why do you think politicians vote for these taxes on the rich? because they no very well it doesn't include them.

why do the wealthy give so much money to politicians who say they will tax the rich? because they know the politicians don't really mean them.

The wealthy in this country completely tie-up family wealth in trusts and overseas accounts and tax-free investments. This would include most of our very wealthy senators and congressmen. Feingold, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, and a host of members from both parties.

More on subject...
Until this new administration signs the first bill that takes away one of my rights, my property, or dictates my values, I'm not going to waste a lot of time hyperventilating. If they want to spend money here, great. Show me on what and I'll congratulate the govt on spending my money here. If they want to tax and spend then spending on domestic programs is good as it puts money back in the economy. If a lot of self congratulatory ribbon cutting ceremonies and self promoting press releases make them feel better and more willing to do the right thing then I'll clap loud enough for them to hear me.

Happy Rationalist
No need to bash as I happen to agree with you. Can't have the yin without the yang.

This country has lost it's ability to separate the wheat from the chafe.

PresidentDon
writes, "Many other Americans that have been laid off from American jobs, because of outsourcing, are they at fault?

10 Million Americans out of work since 2003, are they at fault."

Sadly, Mr President, many of them are at fault if they voted for a liberal politician promising a free lunch and believed it. You cannot fight against the laws of economics. Do you know why companies outsource jobs? Do you know why people and companies move production to other states or countries? If you do not and you vote for politicians with policies that promote outsourcing via higher taxes or stringent regulations, then you are indeed at fault for the loss of your own job.

The UAW negotiated themselves right out of work by being too successful. Economic policies of liberal politicians in Michigan have contributed greatly to the problems of GM, Ford, and Chrysler and the subsequent loss of jobs. If you voted for these politicians, then you are also at fault for the policies that cost you your job.

If Obama and Congress put policies in place that cost millions more jobs, who is truly at fault. Them for doing what the people want who voted for them?

If you have never driven a car before and crash one into a wall by pushing on the accelerator instead of the brake and kill yourself, who is at fault? A liberal would blame the carmaker, the wall builder, the licensing agency, etc. etc. A conservative would blame the idiot behind the wheel.

beowulfe
dang you beat me to the punch on your last post!

Liberals have ruined everything...
I may be the only person in the world who is glad Liberals exist. I personally believe without liberal thought during the Age of Enlightenment and those hard core radicals we call our Founding Fathers this country might still be a subsidiary of the UK. The whole concept of our Liberty was radical and leftist.

Now don't get me wrong...there are obviously people in power on "BOTH" sides of the political spectrum who could easily qualify for first class accommodations at the padded Holiday Inn or a lovely 6x6 cell in San Quentin. I, however, refuse to believe that all Liberals are crazy, stupid, or whatever any more than I believe all conservatives are bible bashing soap box crafting one man bands.

Bash me if you must, but I believe blaming an entire political party, every man, woman, and child, who claims to be a liberal and holding them responsible for the destruction of an entire country is irresponsible and completely unfair. People are at fault. Politics gets you elected but character is what guides your decisions.

If my Liberal friends disappeared tomorrow I would miss their artistic natures, their humor, and their generosity.

OK, Bash Away.

As everyone pontificates
Obama's infrastructure plan has anyone thought to ask where all the taxes for infrastructure went in the first place?

christianlib
"yet i believe it is in our national security interest to get off oil, and send the mideast back to the 12th century when they no longer have oil to prop up their regimes."

That, I don't think, is a logical outcome. Remember that both China and India are quickly aproaching our total oil consumption. In fact we get very little -- relatively speaking -- oil from the Persian Gulf. Only 16% of imported oil comes from the Persian Gulf. China, alone, imported almost as much from the Middle East (in 2007, the US imported about 2.1 million bbl/d from the ME, and China imported about 1.5 million bbl/d), and that is rappidly growing.

In short, we could eliminate all imports from the Middle East, and that loss of US imports from the Middle East would immediately be replaced by China's and India's imports.

And trying to get developing nations like China and India off of oil consumption? Fat chance there.

Anyhow, if we were really motivated, we could become 100% self-sufficient in our oil needs if we really wanted or needed to...so long as we could get rid of all the enviro-nazis who seem to think that the life of a single "endangered" insect is worth more than every human life on Earth.

Mario & Mohammed Atta II
Time For Mohammed Atta II

The whole Congress needs to be destroyed.

Keep the $300B in tax cuts since you idiots want to use it as a trade-off to spend upwards of $700B on makework. Our off-book national debt, which includes Social Security and Medicaid, is anywhere from $56T to $75T. We need to stop spending money that we don't have when we owe a staggering amount now.

For all Ds & Rs, who vote for this cr@p, I hope that you can read my middle finger, as well as those of my sons and any unborn heirs, from here!

Mario, there is no such thing as a "free lunch" as the postman always rings twice, but the Taxman never does. Eventually, the bill will come due and even you will have to pay for it.

wiseone and Standinghisground
As always your posts are top notch, and it heartens me to see that other people know how the deals are made in committees of Congress.

Joycey
"Subject: Community Reinvestment Act
Has it been flushed down the toilet yet?
Are banks only making good loans or are they still being forced (or not) to hand out bad loans? With the idea that FAnnie and Freddie will take them off of their hands. We have to fix the leak."


No it hasn't and it won't be.
that is one reason why the credit markets have not loosened. What you are seeing is a high stakes game of chicken between the government and the banking sector.

Lon
writes, "Basically this column notes that Obama's adminisration could use the stimulus in a variety of ways. That is true, but it is not clear why that suggests he will use it badly."

Hey Rip Van Winkle, just wake up from your thousand year sleep? Not clear, huh? I suppose that is entirely possible if you have gotten this far in life and have yet to open your eyes. Apparently Lon, you could watch a lion devour your own leg and remain unclear about the danger.

beowulfe
i can agree generally (amazing huh) with most of what you say, yet i believe it is in our national security interest to get off oil, and send the mideast back to the 12th century when they no longer have oil to prop up their regimes.

american
no,

there is a subtle difference.

most americans did not like the constant tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations.

they have no problem with tax cuts for the middle class, which is the main issue obama ran on.

as far as the iraq war, most americans saw the iraq war as a "war of choice" and badly mismanaged at that.

obama said he would get us out and that is what will happen.

you accuse the majority of americans of being stupid because we see the nuanced difference in policies.

that is not a logical position.

Bush has many faults...
"Funny....the moonbats have had the house and senate for 2 years........ramped up spending.....and its still W's fault? All they can do is blame??"

One of the biggest problems with Bush is he doesn't know what the veto pen is for. He could have vetoed that spending. He didn't.

I've argued all along that Bush was the best thing for the liberal movement since at least FDR. Consider:

- Bush pushed through a littany of programs that Democrats have been trying to push for decades. Kennedy's education boondoggle, Campaign Finance "Reform", and the prescription drug nonsense are but a few examples of programs that would NEVER have passed were it not for a "Republican" president because the Republicans in congress would have stopped at NOTHING to block thse same things were a Democrat president.

- Bush got stuck with the war on terrorism, Iraq, and Katrina. It is undeniable that it doesn't matter who was president, al Qaida would have still taken down the WTC. It is also highly likely that we'd have been forced to deal with Iraq. And last time I checked, hurricanes don't care who is president. A Democrat president for the past 8 years would have been slammed just as hard as Bush...maybe worse, because the dolts that ran I doubt would have even handled them as "well" as Shrub (which is just pathetic).

- The financial meltdown. The seeds for this financial meltdown were sown years before Bush was elected. It is POSSIBLE that MAYBE a Democrat prez would have helped motivate the Republicans to push harder to reform Fannie and Freedie, but considering they did almost all they could, short of voting to remove all the obstructing Democrats out of congress, to do something about them anyhow, that is unlikely. A Democrat prez during this financial meltdown would likely spell the end of the Democratic Party.

Nay, Bush has done more to save the Democratic Party than perhaps any single individual in history.

?
Obama's tax cuts are ok because they are not "Bush" tax cuts.

Continuing the Iraq War strategy is ok because it isn't the "Bush" Iraq War strategy.

Change is ok even though the only change that took place in the upcoming administration is the change from a "Bush" administration.

There is something tragic in this line of thinking; but, I'm afraid that those that participate in it are simply too stupid to look at it critically.

Jan 20th
Jan 20th this becomes the property of "o", nancyrexia, and harry "the heisman" reid

Funny....the moonbats have had the house and senate for 2 years........ramped up spending.....and its still W's fault? All they can do is blame??

Dare I say with the old media support, we will be speaking about the Bush recession 3 years from now.......about how the muh-sigh-uh with all his govment programs that we can bleeve in have not helped us get out of this recession since it is oh so deep. Can ya hear me brutha?


Things We Can Do To Save U.S.
1. PRAY! PRAY! PRAY! Only God can solve sll our problems-(yes, they are PROBLEMS, NOT "ISSUES").
2. Stop using illegal drugs, and stop immorally using other drugs. Think of all the low-life, anti-American reprobates that have been funded by these habits!
3. Stop misusing alcohol. Deliberately, or carelessly getting drunk puts you in the devil's playground.
4. Quit using, watching, looking at, reading, listening to, and otherwise indulging in pornography!
5. Admit that abortion is the deliberate taking of an innocent, defenseless human life! We must stop this genocide! Think of how many future American Patriots have been aborted.

Hi, to Truth Hurts in PA
I'm a conservative and I didn't vote for Bush in his second election. Nor did I vote liberal. I'm for the Constitution. And while you like the "truth," please don't distort it. THe TRUTH is, the DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS is the one that approves the budget - did you know that? They're the ones who approve the spending of money. Think about all those EARMARK expenditures! WASTEFUL!! Blame Bush all you want (and he's got a lot to blame him for), but the TRUTH is the Dems and Reps are all in cahoots - at least, their leaders are. The Republican "Conservative Agenda" is anything but. Until we stop killing innocent babies (neither conservatives or liberals are willing to bite THAT bullet)- instead of trying to kill MORE AND MORE OF THEM as Obama promises to do, our government is going to continue to go downhill to socialism, GLOBALISM and, eventually, totalitarianism! Scary!! We are guaranteed in the Constitution to have life, liberty, and to pursue happiness! Stop approving the killing of babies! Stop being PARTISAN, and start being AMERICAN! I'm going full speed with the Constitution Party - if we don't get together on this, we're going to lose ALL of our freedoms. Oh, Brother - we are SO-O-O-O-O-O-O close to that now!

beowulf
Did you read State of Fear?

h20skier...
"Mario
You and other liberals have lambasted Bush for his tax cuts and spending. Now Obama has proposed more tax cuts and even more spending yet that is a brillant move. Explain."

EXCELLENT point h20skier...

Reminds of that Linda Richman character Mike Myers used to do on SNL (one of the view actually entertaining items from that show)..."Let's discuss..."

Mario/Luigi...
says "the rich are trash."

NICE...I guess you think the Obamas are TRASH then, right? Didn't the messiah's wife make about 800K last year?? I think that would put them into the RICH category, don't you? The lefties just LOVE their class warfare, don't they?


Move away from oil?
"more importantly, why not move away from oil."

I have no problem with that. We're already heading in that direction anyhow because of the economics involved.

My problem is these crackpot loons whose entire standard of living is based on generating panic -- whether founded or not -- simply to dupe stupid people into funneling money into their pockets.

The REAL question is why should everyone panic based upon a bunch of unproven junk science, and throw good money down the toilet of useless scientific endeavors simpy to make some kook's retirement larger?

The "global warming" scare is a PERFECT example of just that. There is no consensus, no matter how many times AlGore® repeats that nonsense. And the wacky proposals that are being considered not only would cripple our economy, but even those making those proposals admit that they will have little to no effect other than ruining our economy (forget the fact that those proposals are based upon disproven "models" and a whole lot of guess work).

A lot of lefty wingers like to scream about the "illegal" war with Iraq, screaming about "where are the WMDs?" (forget the fact we found a whole lot of banned stuff), but there was far, far, FAR more evidence proving Iraq's possession and willingness to use WMDs than there is on the AGW debate, and look how that turned out? There aren't any kooky commies out there willing to question the AGW notions, but there also isn't any of them who wouldn't jump on the "illegal" war, as if LESS evidence is "better".

I say instead of generating a needless panic that will cost an incalcuable amount of money to "fix", wait until there is actual evidence one way or the other because guess what? History proves that we human beings are very adaptable when we need to be.

christianlib
This is a constitutional republic, but Joycey was referring to the question of why should someone who does not pay Income taxes be able to dictate how much someone else should, but you knew that already, didn't you?

For ReCon-USMC
Even after the Iraq war increased Defense spending it still accounted for only 20% of the annual budget.

Meanwhile, Social Security and Health and Human Services combine for 63% of annual spending.

Defense is specifically mandated by the Constitution. SS and HHS are not.

Also, increases in tax revenues resulting from the Bush Tax Cuts have more than paid for all of increases in Defense spending under Bush, including upgrades to the infrastructure of the FBI, the CIA, and the addition of Homeland Security to the Administration.

The deficits of the last 8 years are comprised ENTIRELY of increases in entitlement spending and pork. Now you add "bailouts made necessary by a monetary policy driven by idiotic liberal social engineering plans" to that list.

Mario
You and other liberals have lambasted Bush for his tax cuts and spending. Now Obama has proposed more tax cuts and even more spending yet that is a brillant move. Explain.

Ron
You see a problem because you are concerned with disparity. Why not a completely regressive tax? The more money you make the less % of taxes you pay? Ok, that won't happen, but every other tax is flat, so what is the problem? With the second highest tax rates in the world we will continue to lose manufacturing to countries with lower rates. Thank your local liberal.

To all of you
who complain about the amount of money spent on the Iraq War,
Has it occurred to you that if CLINTON had retaliated to each of the four attacks during his term, and if CLINTON hadn't had his minion Jamie gore-lick write a directive prohibiting the CIA from sharing info with the FBI, the 9/11 attack would not have happened, and there would not be an Iraq War?

For Joycey
The Community Reinvestment Act has not been repealed. This will never happen while the Dems control Congress or the WH. Dems will never admit that they f*ck*d up.

It's important to understand that CRA itself never seriously damaged the home mortgage industry. It was passed in the late 70's and the housing market was booming 20 years later.

Then Clinton got hold of it.

Clinton essentially extorted lenders by promising to block mergers and other expansionist business practices if they refused to grant sub-prime mortgages to unqualified buyers. He (with help from Congress) backed this up by promising that Fanny/Freddie would buy the paper so there would be little or no risk to the primary lender.

With the collapse of Fanny/Freddie the leak has been closed. Not by Congress, by the natural laws of economics.

The same fundamental natural law of economics says that we can't continue gov't deficit spending on things like bailouts, entitlements, and "economic stimulus package[s]" unabated. Eventually the dollar will collapse in value, inflation will spiral out of control, and the economy will grind to a halt.

Liberal economic geniuses STILL can't come to grips with the fact that real economic stimulus stems from across-the-board tax cuts and major REDUCTIONS in gov't spending.

the elimination of
withholding and corporate taxation. Sorry

Por Mario
The Real Low-Down on Taxes...
For all of you chiming in about the fairness of taxing the "rich" and "Spreading the Wealth"...

You have to understand that INCOME and WEALTH are two very different animals.

Income comes from what you EARN.
Wealth is what you already have.

Some of us have enough "wealth" that we can avoid paying taxes altogether, unless we take dividends or have capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate.

For instance, if I decided to either work and accept a salary under $200K, I would pay NO taxes. If I just live on my principal, then I pay NOTHING. So, "Spreading the Wealth" is a joke and the Government cannot get around the "Takings Clause". Even if you argue some form of Emminent Domain issue, the government still MUST pay just compensation. The only "just compensation" for a $1 is a $1.

How do you think wealth accumulated? How do families like the Kennedy's pay little, if any, taxes? We have good Estate Planners and CPAs.

This "class warfare" krap is a red-herring. Accumulated wealth will remain exactly where it is, now. Unfortunately, the families with a few kids and live in high cost-of-living states, like New York, but have no accumulated wealth will get screwed.

"Spreading the Wealth" will only create two classes: the rich and the poor. The "Middle Class" will have kissed their a$ses goodbye.

Joycey on taxes
The fairtax would go a long way to fixing the problem. Once withholding and corporate taxation is an established fact, the remaining fed tax (I'd prefer a very low growth-incentivizing rate of say 2% rather than a purported revenue nuetral rate of 23%) would be flat and any change would be across the board. Of course, none of this stops the problem of congress' spendthrift ways, but it removes a great deal of power from their boney clutches.

Lynne #49
The problem I see with a consumption tax is that the poor people have to spend every cent they make for the essentials, thereby paying a 100% tax. The rich spend little on the essentials, thereby paying a small amount on the tax, and not paying the tax on most of their incomes, keeping most of it.
An example is the property tax where the nextdoor neighbors, the retiree with $10,000 a year, and the CEO with $100,000 a year, with both paying the same $3,000 property tax, the poor one paying 30%, the rich one paying 3%.
The income tax could be graduated that the first $15,000 would have a zero (0%) rate and higher incomes would have tax rates according to the ability to pay.
The most inportant thing is that all existing destructive taxes be replaced with a single fair tax.
If we continue thinking about how to do do it, we will come up with the very best plan.

Edna Eagle 8:40am post
Edna, you quoted my most favorite passage from the Declaration of Indepence.

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invaribly the same Object, envinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security"

Its just too darn bad that more Americans have forgotten what our responsibilities are as citizens of the greatest experiment ever, i.e. America.

Now we are inundated with a bunch of fat, lazy, stupid Liberal American Idol watchers instead of government watchers. It is a sad day in America when most of the population is more concerned with who will be the next "Idol" than who will be the next POTUS.

Thanks Edna for remembering what we stand for, you are a true patriot in every sense.

God Bless!

beowulfe
happy new year

i provided the link because it is the best explanation i have seen of the problem.

do i know whether it is accurate?

no i don't but it is obvious the author knows more than you and i.

more importantly, why not move away from oil.

we know that we use more oil than we produce so if we can technologically come up with a renewable energy to power our society, why not?


42 years of recoverable oil?
"here is a link that says we have 42 years of recoverable oil left."

Funny, so-called "scientists" have been saying stuff like that for decades. We are no closer to "running out" than we were before they began making these apocalyptic predictions.

As one ACTUAL scientist recently said:

“The scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

In short, any time some so-called "scientist" claims "the sky is falling!!", the first reaction should be to see how many millions of dollars he has been receiving in "free" money from government grants.

Insane new taxes
http://www.libertarian-american.com/

joycey
first because we are a democratic nation.

second, there is no one who doesn't pay some sort of taxes.

everytime we buy something we are paying some sort of tax.


To sdf

sdf

The worst legacy conservatives is that despite colossal government spending,
_________
sdf ...... Your Side wanted to spend 27 % more on Government ''spending " and will in 2009 !

most Americans are worse off than they were in 2001.
_______
Only because of the left ILL CONCIVED .SUB PRIME LOANS SCANDEL .
_______________
This is because the money was squandered in Iraq and given as a tax windfall to America's richest individuals and corporations, rather than spent on such projects as education, infrastructure and energy independence, which would have made us all better off in the long term.
_______
Are you Stupid ? Earned income in not a Wind fall profit .... welfare is since it is gotten without Toil .
The US ''spends " more on Education than does all of Europe ..Yet our black cities onlt grad 49-51 % of all Students .
infrastructure during FDR LEFT US AT 21 % JOBLESS ..WW2 FIXED THE ECONOMY .
Energy independance means drilling for our own oil , coal and building Nuclear plants .
The WAR is only 3.9 % of GDP .....WELFARE AND SOC,SEC
AND MEDICARE AND MEDICADE IS 71.9 % OF GDP .
GET SOME FACTS LEFTY !

Supplementing Denise
"How do you think wealth accumulated? How do families like the Kennedy's pay little, if any, taxes?"

In the case of the Kennedys, taxes were not even paid on the wealth when it was being earned. The Kennedy fortune stems from the illegal smuggling of liquor into the country during Prohibition. Because this income was from an illegal source the Kennedys (obviously) didn't "declare" it and therefore paid no taxes on it.

Now that they have accumulated 100's of millions in tax-free income we have their current patriarch, Teddy, a bloated bloviater if there ever was one, pontificating in the Seante about taxing the life out of ordinary Americans who are struggling to put away a retirement nest egg that won't evaporate in a cloud of confiscatory gov't assessments and user fees.

The Kennedys are the prototype for what is wrong with liberal do-gooders; they have inherited enormous wealth or obtained it illegally, have paid little or no taxes on it, and yet preach to struggling middle class workers that they (the middle class) must pay their "fair share" to help "the poor", all the while taxing INCOME (the creation of wealth) while their own pre-existing fortunes remain exempt.

These a-holes gain great reputations as caring, compassionate people by sticking their hands into the pockets of people poorer than themselves.

Teddy K is the biggest puke of them all. He carries on this air of noble charity after leaving Mary Jo to die in a car he drove off a bridge.

This is the poster boy for modern liberalism.

On a different note
It’s occurred to me that we're seeing something that's practically a first for today's Democratic Party: a scandal and the appearance of corruption that's so blatant that even DEMOCRATS are having to back away from it.

This is, after all, the same party that has given an honored place to such people as Edward Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Michael Moore, and Al Sharpton, among others - all of whose well-chronicled behaviour hasn't seemed in the past to be too over the line for the Democratic Party. So why have all of a sudden Democrats suddenly "gotten religion" regarding Rod Blagojevich - who after all hasn't even been INDICTED for anything yet (gee, isn't that the standard defense Democrats use to excuse the behaviour of one of their own, although not Republicans of course, that his or her behaviour hasn't yet been determined to be a criminal offense)? I didn't think there was ANYTHING a professed Democrat could do that was considered beyond the pale to his fellow Democrats anymore. Yet here Blagojevich hasn't even been INDICTED for anything, and already his FELLOW DEMOCRATS are talking impeachment.

The biggest question I have about all this is how, if the Senate Democrats refuse to seat Mr. Burris and he starts screaming "racism" or some other inflammatory excuse, Democrats are going to blame the GOP for the denial of a Senate seat to a man who would otherwise be at present the only African-American to be a member of the U.S. Senate. Yep, I'm sure the Democratic Party solons are having to tap the full measure of their creativity right now to figure out a way to pacify potentially angry Illinois blacks (and those in other states as well) over the denial of a Senate seat to one of their own - especially given the overwhelming control the Dems have in the Senate - by finding some way to con them into believing that it was really REPUBLICANS who were the reason Burris didn't become a sitting U.S. Senator. I'll be watching for it!

Taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why should people that do not pay taxes have any say in how taxes are spent or in raising them. I want to know.

Community Reinvestment Act
Has it been flushed down the toilet yet?
Are banks only making good loans or are they still being forced (or not) to hand out bad loans? With the idea that FAnnie and Freddie will take them off of their hands. We have to fix the leak.


Debt from housing
Anyone who has any questions about who to point your finger at when it comes to the housing crisis, do some real research and watch this and learn. You to Mario. This is bias media reporting this is the real deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN31-nKndg8

christianlib
I am unsure about the 42 years left, but I am a partner in non-botanical ethanol so I am covering all the bases.

Conservative Economic Advice - Ha!
The worst legacy conservatives is that despite colossal government spending, most Americans are worse off than they were in 2001. This is because the money was squandered in Iraq and given as a tax windfall to America's richest individuals and corporations, rather than spent on such projects as education, infrastructure and energy independence, which would have made us all better off in the long term.

Put another way
You cannot convince a person or a corporation to start a new business or expand an existing business, increase jobs, and hire new employees, when you tax away the operating capitol he is paying his PRESENT employees, or make healthcare affordable by taxing all of the component providers.

Every dollar taxed away from a business owner is a dollar that cannot be used to expand, or be paid to an employee. Every dollar taxed away from a farm owner cannot be paid to employees, and increases the price of food paid by everybody. Every dollar taxed from healthcare component providers is added to the cost of every phase of healthcare: hospitals, doctors, drugs, bandages, syringes.

The basic fact about taxation in America is this:
WE THE PEOPLE PAY ALL TAXES; and we the people are the only ultimate source of all tax revenue. Since there is only one source of all tax revenue, there should be only one tax to collect it. It should be a single, simple, fair, direct, individual tax levied on living persons. This would eliminate all existing taxes from the price of everything, and reduce that price by one-third (1/3). The only way you can implement tax policies and programs and make prosperity possible for everyone is TO ELIMINATE TAXES.

GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES DO NOT PAY TAXES! This includes politicians, bureaucrats, school teachers, etc. What they claim to pay as taxes are actually reductions in the amount they take out of the Treasury. Police, Firefighters, and Military members are always worth far more than they are paid.

Obama's plan is all about

Obama's plan is all about

Obama's plan is all about destroying the middle class. That has ALWAYS been his plan.

The Black Value System at TUCC
------------------------------
"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System."

Tobacco Redux
Dr. Sowell notes that there is a high degree of probability that the members of the motorcade class will whizz away the "bailout" money in frivilous ways. To support that idea, I offer the states' handling of the multi-billion $$ tobacco lawsuit settlement money. This was purported to be for financing anti-smoking campaigns, however little if any was spent for this purpose.

The Real Low-Down on Taxes...

For all of you chiming in about the fairness of taxing the "rich" and "Spreading the Wealth"...

You have to understand that INCOME and WEALTH are two very different animals.

Income comes from what you EARN.
Wealth is what you already have.

Some of us have enough "wealth" that we can avoid paying taxes altogether, unless we take dividends or have capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate.

For instance, if I decided to either work and accept a salary under $200K, I would pay NO taxes. If I just live on my principal, then I pay NOTHING. So, "Spreading the Wealth" is a joke and the Government cannot get around the "Takings Clause". Even if you argue some form of Emminent Domain issue, the government still MUST pay just compensation. The only "just compensation" for a $1 is a $1.

How do you think wealth accumulated? How do families like the Kennedy's pay little, if any, taxes? We have good Estate Planners and CPAs.

This "class warfare" krap is a red-herring. Accumulated wealth will remain exactly where it is, now. Unfortunately, the families with a few kids and live in high cost-of-living states, like New York, but have no accumulated wealth will get screwed.

"Spreading the Wealth" will only create two classes: the rich and the poor. The "Middle Class" will have kissed their a$ses goodbye.

denise
here is a link that says we have 42 years of recoverable oil left.

i am not a big global warming person, but do believe that we have to move away from oil if for no other reason than geo-political issues i the mideast.

http://archive.wri.org/page.cfm?id=380&page=pubs_content_te xt

HUFF/KOSS Kool-Aid
David, FL
Never had any...is it any good?

Dumb home loans
What about buyers that bought a home in Los Angeles, buyers the worked for Price Pyster, and Standard Wheel, two companies that each laid off over 900 workers and moved their plants to Tijuana, Mexico. Many other Americans that have been laid off from American jobs, because of outsourcing, are they at fault?

10 Million Americans out of work since 2003, are they at fault. While Americans struggle to survive imports. Furniture factories closed, Maytag closed. more and more products made out of America. The clothing industry gone, and you blame Americans for being irresponsible, while Congress passes more TRADE treason. NAFTA, and all the other acts to downsize America. While we pay Congress and the Senate $14,400/ month.
Lets call treason where it comes from, Washington DC .

Do you suppose Obama continued to draw his full pay from the Senate while he ran around the country, telling you, he'd give you Change, well change is all many of us have left in our pockets. Don Cordell as your president would have restored this nation. Yet Illegal Alien Obama is about to be sworn in to office. What are you going to do?

hold on to your wallet
Hearing the other day about the stimulus package being prepared by the new Obama administration being planned totally with deficit spending. He's certainly trying to get us used to how he does business. His very first act as president will be adding nearly one trillion dollars to the national debt. That's how he plans to dig out of this hole? Brilliant!

voxoreason
"I read everywhere that oil, coal, whatever, will only last through 2015-2020. You've seen these figures yourself if you have been paying attention."

I don't know where you get your facts, but my company alone has reserves in the billions, which will last a long time. Not to mention that more and more discoveries are made everyday. As an industry, we have TRILLIONS of cf of natural gas and barrels of oil and that is before more discoveries.

And, I have am also involved in a non-botanical ethanol company, which creates the fuel from waste.

We have enough energy to last until both of us have long been in the grave.

If the Greenturds would quit having more concern about amoebas, we would have more energy than the Middle East. And, if environuts would let us build more refineries, we could cheaply refine hydrocarbons.

Stop listening to Al Gore. Personally, I can't wait until the "Carbon-Free Diet" Police force Fat Al to eat spinach salads instead of meat.
SAVE the Planet. STARVE Gore.

The Law of Unintended Consequences is a B!atch!

Last response to Mario
"i guess they put a gun to their heads and forced them, greed had nothing to do with it. poor little bankers. what an idiot."

I have already explained the abusive methods of the Clinton Administration. You don't get it because you are incapable of comprehending anything that doesn't serve your hatred of those you perceive to be better off than you.

I will waste no more time with you. I will read no more of your drivel and (obviously) I will not respond to it.

You are now an untouchable, like Ranger29, koolmuse, and Hal D.

I meant to conclude
that Socialism turns people into mindless farm animals.

Mario
I'm quite certain that from your liberal perspective any bank (or anyone else) who gets a huge sum of money from the gov't is a beneficiary, not a victim.

It would never occur to you, a liberal, that the lenders would rather have used their years of experience and their own skill and judgment to make decisions on who to lend to instead of being told who to lend to by the government.

It would never occur to you that skilled, experienced lenders would rather compete with each other in an unregulated market that required skill and experience to succeed rather than a market where Fanny/Freddie will buy the paper on every idiotic loan issued to every beggar that wanders in looking for place to sleep.

It would never occur to you to consider that not all banks got bailed out. Washington Mutual went belly-up. So did Bear-Stearns and Lehmann Bros. But as far as your concerned they're all one lumped group called "rich banker buddies" and when one gets a bailout that means (to you) they all got rich.

You are a simpleton and a bigot. You are one who thinks in terms of classes of people, who treats all people as members of a group, and all members of the group as identical.

You are a hater. How petty your world must be.


Great as usual Dr. Sowell
The post referencing 'taking all handouts you can get since we will be paying for it anyway' reminds me of the classic battle of Galt for Rearden's mind. Is it better to let it all go, to speed up the process of destruction? I don't see things getting better, no one has standing, private property rights have been evicerated, the gov't is all knowing and will regulate us to the betterment of all, education is pathetic, the logical fallacy of entitlements is apalling. Evidently politicians are unwilling to obey the Constitution. I used to think moral-relativism was the problem, but it's merely a symptom of the wholesale rejection of Western Civilization, paterfamilias, logic, reason and conclusion. Decisions require discrimination and personal value judgements. Socialism's premise is that humans are not individuals and so, having swallowed such an obviously specious premise, all that is left is literally the destruction of ones self. In the meantime it must reject all life-affirming behavior. Science is the new icon-revealing Truth, shallow and utterly bereft of meaning.

For D Fayette
If your point was that We the People are responsible for this mess because we elected these liberal idiots I wish you would have just said so. I (obviously) would not have disputed that.

Instead, by the way you wrote your post, I got the impression that you were blaming We the People because Carter was an incompetent dolt, Clinton was a crook, Dodd and Frank are a couple of hopeless butt-kissers, and a lot of borrowers who never should have gotten loans failed to make their payments.

Come to think of it, that IS what you wrote.

More logic that eludes Mario
"qualified borrowers make up 40% of the bad debt,"

By definition, a buyer who can't get a loan cannot make up any part of any debt. Since the buyer didn't get the loan he doesn't have any debt.

Am I going too fast for you?

Today's qualified buyers are victims because they are worthy of loans but can't get them, and the vast majority of them WOULD pay off their loans.

Can you keep up with this?

Today's qualified buyers aren't RESPONSIBLE (That's the operative word in this discussion. Do you understand what "operative" means when used in this context?) for the default of previous borrowers, whether the previous borrowers were qualified or not.

I could go on but I'm sure what I've already written is hopelessly beyond the comprehension of your liberally addled mind.

More incompetent "research" from Mario
Hey Mario,

Re-read my post AND the post by D, Fayette to which I was responding.

You just might figure out that I was quoting D. Fayette when I wrote...

"An individual signed on the dotted line for the loan...and was not a victim of the system."

You just might figure out that when you write...

"Yep, those investors and speculators who cannot make their payments. they are not the victims."

... you are actually supporting my position. I say "might" because you are obviously such an incompetent idiot that one wonders if you could find your own nose in the mirror.

Wiseone...once again you prove
my bottom line...

You said...

"The only responsibility We the People have here is that we just re-elected these idiots."

I rest my case!


D Fayette
Keep drinking the Huff/Koss Kool-Aid.

Wrong again, D. Fayette
"Carter, Clinton, and all the politicians in the world did not force those in the We, the people to take the loans made available by the Community Reinvestment Act or any other program."

An individual signed on the dotted line for the loan...and was not a victim of the system."

Carter, Clinton, et al ARE forcing We the People to pay for the loans that were made to
people that never should have been offered them. Those who got the loans aren't the victims.

The victims are QUALIFIED buyers who can't get loans today because there's no money to lend. The victims are those who've been laid off because there is no capital available for business to invest and create new jobs (which is the only way it really works).

The other victims are the lenders who WERE forced to go along with liberal social engineering in order to remain competitive and now face possible bankruptcy or even more gov't regulation as a condition of being bailed out.

These lenders were coerced to give loans to unqualified buyers by being told that Fannie Mae and/or Freddie Mac would buy the paper. None of the gov't geniuses who designed this program had a plan (or a clue) for what to do when FM/FM went belly-up. Just like these same geniuses have no clue what they're going to do when these idiotic bailouts cause the collapse of the dollar on the world market and there aren't enough people working to raise enough revenue for the next bailout.

The only responsibility We the People have here is that we just re-elected these idiots.


It gets even worse than Sowell suggests.
The whole "rebuilding of infrastructure" notion is being sold on the basis that it will "stimulate the economy". The problem is that basis is patently absurd, as Sowell himself pointed out a while back.

Consider this: If rebuilding bridges or roads or whatever is such a boon to the economic growth as a whole, why not, then, hire a bunch of demolitionists to go around and blow up every bridge in the US? That way we could have all kinds of "economic stimulus" rebuilding those bridges.

Of course that is absurd.

There is no doubt that maintaining the basic infrastructure of the nation is a good thing, however to bill it as an "economic stimulus" is ridiculous. It is nothing more than retreaded failed FDR economic thinking.

FDR was a big believer in the ideas of economist John Maynard Keynes. Keynes once said something to the effect that an economy would benefit were the government to hire 1 million people to dig holes and another 1 million people to fill those holes in. Aftet 10 years of such "hole digging and refilling" do-nothing, busy-work policies by FDR, those notions were thoroughly debunked.

Economic growth relies on production, not on creating busy-work for people.

Again, don't get me wrong. Maintaining infrastructure is a noble and vital act, but not because such maintainance will actually grow an economy. Infrastructure maintainance is vital so that the economy does not regress. It does nothing, however, to actually grow an economy.

Here's a thought:
I believe Obama is planning on sending more money to us. Something like $500 for individuals, $1000 for families...similar to that of what was dished out spring of 07.

What do you conservatives say: if they hand out the "stimulus money", what say we cash it at the bank, and then march on Washington, hand it back, and demand that it goes to the national debt?

It was our money in the first place...I'd say we have the right to demand it get spent in a wise way.

So what do we do?
Shall we start a new war since neo-economic theory asserts that WW II solved that old economic crisis? Maybe doing nothing works fine, but that is not going to happen. I think some new roads, buildings and bridges would be nice and also somewhat useful. Wars get messy.

Backwards economics
The fact is: if you tax those who supply jobs (small business) to give money to those who do not work, the job making machine will be destroyed and the business owners will sell out, moving their money to another country with lower taxes.
This is a fact and will prove that stupid people vote for their kind. They think they can kill the goose that layed the golden egg and have golden eggs for life.

Voice of the far left
Why is it that every time I run across some guy who fancies himself as a "voice of reason" (or some variant thereof) he turns out to be a clueless, straight-line liberal puppet?

Today's contestant is voxoreason, who writes:

"I read everywhere that oil, coal, whatever, will only last through 2015-2020. You've seen these figures yourself if you have been paying attention."

Actually vox, what I've read is that we are discovering new crude oil reserves faster than we are using them and that Saudi Arabia and Iraq between them have enough crude to supply the world for the next 80-100 years.

"I can't help but believe that "Yankee know-how" can make great strides in alternative energy in this time frame..."

Let's couple this with a quote from later in your post.

"With our crumbling public education system (graduating those who can't read, write, or do basic arithmetic), there would be something they could do that doesn't involve a life of crime."

So which is it vox? Are we scientific-engineering geniuses or uneducated dolts who steal because we're too stupid to have a job?

BTW - since you're so down on collapsing bridges and think construction work is so easy, maybe you should design and build something for us, just to show how easy it is, snob.

"...and must, because OPEC is running out of oil and lying about it."

So you're actually reading the same thing I am. You just don't believe it because ... why? Could it be all that liberal Kool-Aid has interfered with your ability to think for yourself?

Truth
Every citizen should watch how the upcoming legislation(Stimulus) is being fashioned. We must make certain that the money does not support the same "Thieves". Highway projects should not be eligible(Motor Oil Act). Farm subsidies should not be included in any form. Governments should be able to use the funds to finance other funding(Bonding). If this legislation is to be effective it must touch "New Hands),not the same old ones.

Oxymorons
1. Economic Stimulus
2. Honest Government
3. Democratic Leadership
4. Republican Leadership
5. Public Education
6. Universal Healthcare

The Party of Change?
As in that is all we will have left by the time they are done with us, lose change. I hope our new President doesn't blow it, but with total control, I can not see how he can avoid it.

I was not too happy with my own party having all branches of government either. The balance of power is what helps keep our nation out of this kind of mess. Look what happened when the vote for the stimulus package failed the first time. The dems voted against it and the yet the failure was the fault of the republicans.

Ed Bejarana
http://www.businessblogging.net

Sorry---wiseone
Carter, Clinton, and all the politicians in the world did not force those in the We, the people to take the loans made available by the Community Reinvestment Act or any other program.

An individual signed on the dotted line for the loan...and was not a victim of the system.

You prove my statement with your own statement:

"Clinton abused the power of his admonistration to block mergers and other healthy business acivities of lenders who refused to issue mortgages to unqualified borrowers ("unqualified" means the lenders KNEW these loans would not be repaid)."

Both the borrower and lender are part of We, the people...
so the bottom line remains We, the people are at fault....

Thanks for proving my statement!


Economic Stimulus
This new "Stimulus" being proposed by the incoming POTUS, the "Head Spender", is shaping up to be nothing more than another "Omnibus Spending Bill" like the last one.

There will be bridges to nowhere, teapot museums, Interstate Spurs serving communities of 1500 people, snow makers for Minnesotans, suntanning salons for Californians, you know, in case of cloudy days, pay raises for Federal Legislators, capital input to "Friends of Government" i.e., Democrat "leadership", and oxymoron if there ever was one. Get my drift?

Roy, you were right on the mark with your comments. We should be writing our Congressmen/Women and asking why Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Andrew Cuomo (HUD), Franklin Raines, and James Johnson aren't under investigation for their roles in collapse of the mortgage industry. We might also ask why Frank and Dodd still have their respective banking and finance committee chairmanships.

Dems in control
Get ready for the day of days. From Blago(this is f***ing golden), to stuart smalley franken, to qui pro quo richardson, to all the barney franks in Congress, and now the MSM obambi with his weak sisters(Panetta to head the CIA?). I love my country, but these dems do not have the intergity or character to lead anyone in these times of economic testing. Obama will only pay off his hundreds of promises and set up his 666,000 brown shirt civilan security force. May God bless America!

where's the problem
Basically this column notes that Obama's adminisration could use the stimulus in a variety of ways. That is true, but it is not clear why that suggests he will use it badly.

As it happens, Obama's best chance of getting a more democratic congress is having a stronger economy in a little under two years, and his best chance of getting reelected is having a stronger economy in 4 years. That means what is in the democrats' interest happens to be what is in the country's interests. That is actually one of the stregnths of democracy, although it can be short circuited, say by launching a war of choice.


Anyone paying attention knows that the Obama focus so far has been on what they are calling shovel ready projects. So it appears that Sowell is not telling them anything they didn't already know.

It is certainly true that the Bush administration has mucked up its discrentionary policies. Obama might as well, but it is certainly hard to see him doing a worse job than Bush.

For fishy
"Just how much stimulation do the American people have to have to be stimulated enough to revolt?"

Americans today don't have the courage of the founders. We don't have the courage to risk "our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor" on a revolt.

If a revolt comes from the people against the gov't it will be brought on by a 'nothing left to lose' scenario.

Imagine a great depression. Jobless, destitute people who've lost the savings and retirement benefits they worked decades to accumulate. Imagine the gov't reaching the end of the welfare rope. The point where it's impossible to raise enough taxes to pay jobless benefits because there aren't enough people working to generate the needed revenue anymore.

Now imagine the stealing, looting, and dog-eat-dog anarchy resulting, and the eventual marshall law imposed on desperate people.

That's when we will have revolution. But as long as you and I can sit comfortably in homes and offices that are still heated against record cold (global warming my a$$) and cooled against record heat while we philosophize about economics and revolution on the internet there will be no revolt.

roadmaster
Sad to say, but the Soviet "Active Measures" campaign is beginning to bear fruit. I gotta tell you; even I thought it was a bunch of crackpot nonsense when I learned of it. Now I'm watching it all unfold before my very eyes.

Creating jobs
Obama believes in the "Trickle Up Theory" of economics (see Chris Matthews' leg). This theory states that if you hand out free money, people will spend it on stuff and the TV media will interview one or two people who are shopping (this is the "proof" that the theory is viable).

Actually, jobs are "created" by the corporations in the private sector. The more demand for their goods/services, the more employees they need, hence more jobs. With more people working, there will be more demand for goods/services and the cycle continues.

To libs, that means that $500 given to each citizen will somehow stimulate the economy in the long-term. Sorry, it won't. There won't be a blip on the economic radar.

widsom is available; will you listen?
very wise wiseone.

It was caused by liberals in Congress in the 70's and a clueless liberal President named Jimmy Carter, who passed the Community Reinvestment Act.

It was caused by a thoroughly corrupt Administration under a dishonest, narcissistic President named Bill Clinton who abused the power and the purpose of the Justice Dept. and the SEC to impose liberal social engineering on the country and to curry favor with cronies like Jesse Jackson. Clinton abused the power of his admonistration to block mergers and other healthy business acivities of lenders who refused to issue mortgages to unqualified borrowers ("unqualified" means the lenders KNEW these loans would not be repaid).

It was caused by incompetent liberal Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who not only abrogated their duties to oversee these sub-prime mortgages but also fought tooth and nail against guys like John McCain and George W. Bush when they tried, 12 different times, to reign in this ridiculous policy.

Rush Limbaugh has it right. We KNOW the mortgage crash is 100% a Democrat production because if there was any Republican who could be blamed for it the Dems would be grilling him/her right now in one of their committee hearings. The reason they're holding NO hearings is because THEY DON"T WANT THE PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT REALLY CAUSED THIS.

fundamentals
the govt cannot create anything. all it can do is take and then redistribute. so what happens when the takees disappear?

roy

Political Monkey Business
I got this in an e-mail yesterday and it is a pretty accurate example of how the politicians work their constituents with their own money.

Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10 each.
The villagers, knowing there were many monkeys, went to the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort.
He then announced that he would buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the villagers efforts and they started catching monkeys again.
Soon the supply diminished and people started going back to their farms. The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it!
The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf.
The assistant told the villagers, "Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that my boss has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35 and when my boss returns, you can sell them to him for $50."
The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars.
They never saw the man or his assistant again, only lots and lots of monkeys!

Now you have a better understanding of how the
WALL STREET BAILOUT PLAN WORKS !!!



fight the stimulus plan!
Obama's marxist plan to create 600,000 new govt jobs is nothing more than payback to the corrupt unions who helped get him elected. when the economy rebounds, do you think these "make work" jobs will be eliminated. hell no! thats 600,000 union due paying drones to get to the polls and vote democrap!

Word to the republicans. Grow a set and fight this union boondoggle. Let the recession seek its own course. It will seek its own level and then we can dig out way out, like we have countless times before.

infrastructure and stimulus
infrastructure can be done by free enterprise rather than by the government. If it is done by government (federal, state, local) it becomes inflationary waste. It is often unnecessary. Only free enterprise can structure these projects the way beneficial for economy i.e. the way that generate profit or greater utility. Just see what's going on with education which is run by state governments (but in theory by community).

More bridge collapses, anyone?
Infrastructure and energy are serious problems, but with different time frames.

I read everywhere that oil, coal, whatever, will only last through 2015-2020. You've seen these figures yourself if you have been paying attention.

I can't help but believe that "Yankee know-how" can make great strides in alternative energy in this time frame...and must, because OPEC is running out of oil and lying about it.

Infrastructure, in the form of roads and bridges, has a head start as states have a Department of Transportation (NC DOT in NC) or equivalent, plus doesn't require an advanced college degree. With our crumbling public education system (graduating those who can't read, write, or do basic arithmetic), there would be something they could do that doesn't involve a life of crime.

Just a thought.

For D. Fayette
"The credit crunch...caused by We, the people, especially those in the WE, the defaulted on their mortgage, credit card debt, and car loans."

Speak for yourself.

The credit crunch was not caused by " We the People."

It was caused by liberals in Congress in the 70's and a clueless liberal President named Jimmy Carter, who passed the Community Reinvestment Act.

It was caused by a thoroughly corrupt Administration under a dishonest, narcissistic President named Bill Clinton who abused the power and the purpose of the Justice Dept. and the SEC to impose liberal social engineering on the country and to curry favor with cronies like Jesse Jackson. Clinton abused the power of his admonistration to block mergers and other healthy business acivities of lenders who refused to issue mortgages to unqualified borrowers ("unqualified" means the lenders KNEW these loans would not be repaid).

It was caused by incompetent liberal Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who not only abrogated their duties to oversee these sub-prime mortgages but also fought tooth and nail against guys like John McCain and George W. Bush when they tried, 12 different times, to reign in this ridiculous policy.

Rush Limbaugh has it right. We KNOW the mortgage crash is 100% a Democrat production because if there was any Republican who could be blamed for it the Dems would be grilling him/her right now in one of their committee hearings. The reason they're holding NO hearings is because THEY DON"T WANT THE PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT REALLY CAUSED THIS.

TO: Ron in PA--#33
HEAR, HEAR! I've felt that a single tax--on what we SPEND, though--not what we earn...is the best all the way around.
A single tax on what we earn is great--but those that earn less have less after taxes for the necessities that remain at the same price to obtain.
If the tax were on what we spend as individuals--we the people would have TOTAL control over governmental spending, as we should.
The government needs to be reined in to spend ONLY what it actually has available, as we all do. What would happen to us if we purposely (like they do) spent more than we know we have in our account?
Ideally--getting everybody spend only what they actually need to maintain the standard of living they currently have--for a year or less--would balance the budget. "normal" people and "average" businessmen would jump at that chance--politicos and the elitists would never go for it; they will always want more than they have...and will expect us to pay for it. When are we going to revolt through passive resistance to get them to do what we elected them to do? EVERYBODY simply NOT going to work for as little as a week would show DC exactly who actually holds the reins, wouldn't it?

The nation voted for this junk
21 states voted Rep. That leaves 29 that wanted what we've got.

They voted for Franken and stayed home to *protest* McCain's nomination.

Where are the voices here that proclaimed for months they would never vote for anyone they considered a RINO or CINO or whateverINO?

In OH, only 5000 more voted than in 2004, so Big Bro O did not bring out some overwhelming *new* vote. The *old* vote stayed home.

And now, are you happy blaming Mac for running a *poor* campaign or not voting because he was on the wrong side of your immigration policy?

There's the expression: Marry in haste, repent at leisure. Well, Reps. didn't vote, gave Cong. back to the Dems. (they already held it 60 years since the crash of 1929), and can't complain here if they contributed to the debacle.

If you want change, you have to work for it, pay for it, run for it, and vote for it.

Lynne...
When King George III sent his troops Lexington to squash and disarm his citizens a small ragtag group of PATRIOTS sent them running back to Boston-towne.

When "PEBO" send his troops aka "National Citizen Security Force" to do the same.. fly your Culpeper Flag of Patrick Henry and say
"Give Me Liberty Or Give me Death"
and DON'T TREAD ON ME!
(see my blog as to where to get one before 1/20/09)

Keep your powder dry
Edna

Sowell nails it again
In political perspicuous and astutemess, Thomas Sowell is without peer ~ except for Mark Steyn, oc course.

Sustained jobs...
Think of it. The package includes 600,000 new government jobs immediately. Temporary ribbon cutters, I guess.

The builders of all these facilities will be able to go on to maintaining them. Nice on going jobs, tax payer jobs.

Of course Americans have no money, so politicians will have to convince their new taxpayers, Chinese, if it is alright.

Then again these jobs are not slated till 2011. Time for a financial detour. Politicians will take a vacation, to China?

More liberal lies
Or are they just "revisionist history".

Naturally, the liberal perpetrator of these lies calls himself "Truth Hurts".

He writes:

"See, the tough thing for "Conservatives" to do is to admit they were wrong...George W. Bush has presided over the biggest increase in Govt size and overall SPENDING in US History!...But wait! He's a "Conservative" so, he must have had something GOOD "in mind" before pulling the one-armed bandit."

Here's some real truth for Truth Hurts.

1. Conservatives weren't wrong. Conservatives believe in smaller, less expensive gov't. Especially less entitlement spending. Conservatives didn't cause the the spending you reference because, by definition, anyone who spends like that is not conservative.

2. Bush is not a "conservative." He is a "compassionate conservative." That means he is sympathetic to the very entitlement spending
that caused the deficits you complain about.

3. Every time Bush and Congress did a budget Bush CUT entitlement spending proposed by liberals in Congress. And every time he did this the Democrats and the lib media screamed like stuck pigs (a fitting and appropriate analogy).

4. The largest deficits of Bush's Presidency occured after the Democrats regained control of Congress. This is not a coincidence.

5. The bailouts Sowell discusses are the result of "compassionate" liberal interference in the mortgage market.

5. Bush's approval of 29% is more than triple that of the Democrat-controlled Congress.

Soewell is without peer
In political atsuteness, except, for Mark Steyn.

Does anyone else wonder
How that $700 Billion can be spent on other things besides the crisis it was intended to cure. My theory is that the crisis was mostly on paper due to the mark to market rule. The abandonment of that rule may have been all the cure we really needed at the time, hence the leftover money. I don't believe there is any credit crisis at all anymore. There is a confidence crisis and no one is borrowing even though lenders are still lending. The official date for the beginning of this recession far preceded the bailout of financial institutions. The recession was precipitated by the oil price shock when the economy was already at a peak anyway. The recession caused the sub prime mortgage crisis which would have been prolonged without it.

The economists I have read all decry the lack of demand. Monetary policy is useless. You cannot lower rates below zero, hence the need to stimulate demand. The people are simply scared and uncertain what the near future will bring and with good reason. My guess is that if Obama and Congress do practically nothing to impact the economy in the first ninety days, things will start to return to normal. Any big changes, any bright new policy shifts even including foreign policy will create more uncertainty and less demand as people continue to wait and save.

Sowell nails it again
Sowell is a joy to read. He is a weekly reminder that (1) there really is hope for us and (2) it's in the private sector, not on Barack Obama or any other elected twit.

Sowell, who doesn't work in gov't, is half again smarter than the brightest light in our 9% approval Congress; a Congress that is so dumb it can't figure out that the Founders wanted it that way. The Founders assumed that all the really smart people would be in private business because that's the way it was in the colonies in 1787. And they wrote the Constitution under the presumption that the dim bulbs in Congress were supposed to servants of the people, not Lords and Masters over them.

This comment typifies it all.

"Someone once said that Congress would take 30 days to make instant coffee-- and Congress is just the beginning of the delays..."

Don't believe this? Check out progress on the famous fence the gov't is supposedly building to keep the illegals out. How's gov't management/control working out on that one?

What a joke.

Edna Eagle-NC-reply #1-WOW!
You have absolutely hit the nail square on the head! As soon as the Usurper gets in the WhiteHouse, he will start his programs that do NOT benefit We, the People...
First, we MUST get him off his throne--with all his corrupt cronies--and then work to change the laws they have imposed on us--LEGALLY.
The Constitution is still the highest law of the land--SCOTUS can only ignore it out of a mis-placed sense of "political correctness" for so long...THEY can be ousted too--just takes longer! I choose to keep my money, my guns, and my freedom--they can keep the change...

Intolorable Acts ..2009 style or:
REMEMBER:

When parliament passed the sugar tax against it's citizens we objected..it was repealed

When parliament passed the stamp act against it's citizens we objected..it was repealed

When parliament passed the tea tax against it's citizens...we not only objected we revolted

well, the writings on the walls folks
how much more can we object before we're stirred to revolt

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invaribly the same Object, envinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security"

The bottom line
The true problem is We-the people...

Everyone continues to blame the politicians We, the People elected. Supposedly they wouldn't be there if we hadn't elected them.

The credit crunch...caused by We, the people, especially those in the WE, the defaulted on their mortgage, credit card debt, and car loans.

The majority of We, the people allow ourselves to vote for the politician that will promise us the most government sponsored benefits and tax cuts.

So, as a bottom-line...the blame is square on We, the people.

Coming to a low-density 'hood near you-
In central Ohio (and probably the I-71 corridor) we will now have light rail jammed down our throats. Dems with the help of NPR have been touting it for years, despite studies (and common sense) indicating that it would be cheaper to buy everyone a Hyundai. But now that our entire economy is based on boondoggles, it will be done straightaway "in the common good" and "to bring jobs." That, and a pacified population moving along preordained paths on preordained schedules on big public works run by unionized labor, controlled by the flick of a switch, is all part of the vision of the anointed. That, and the hated middle class will have their (envied) lifestyle eroded by noisy, ugly, elevated crime installations.

A Common Problem With .....
"A common problem with government economic policies in general is" it is politically not economically driven. Thus, it is bound to wrong and unfair! Politicians rarely do anything right because (1) they mess with things they have no right to mess with under our Constitution, (2) while they can be intelligent, rarely are they knowledgeable about what they are messing with, and (3) they mess with things handled much better by the public and businesses i.e., the private sector. It does not that a PhD in economics, or better in ethical business, to understand this. Politicians are by in-large egotistical, selfish individual only looking to keep their plus job and jobs that give them “power” & “prestige”! Rarely do they do things because they are the right things to do for this country! Our military, who defends this country for these politician, know much better how to do things right than politicians!

Out of control
We are all beginning to feel as if government is out of control and we have no influence over it because government does what it wants regardless of the polls, emails, letters and calls we make stating our opinions. The politicians circle the wagons and creat their own world oblivious to outsiders and secure in their convictions they are right.

In response to this feeling of having no control over what is happening, voters are hunkering down, spending less and saving more.(A vote of no confidence in Washington.) And now in our morning paper is an article lamenting the voters' behavior and the impact it is having on their plans for voters to spend. Terrible of us isn't it for getting in the way of their great plans!!!!

When you write here, write DC
Most Cong. have web sites. Slam them with emails and faxes.

We stopped *comprehensive* immigration reform two years ago and can stop some of the idiocy now.

Make phone calls.

And for those who bragged they didn't vote, are you happy now?

The ultimate stimulus
We the people pay all taxes, and we are the only ultimate source of all tax revenue. Regardless where government initially collects the money, all tax money ultimately comes from us, the people, even though business has to pay thousands or millions of dollars at one time, and get it back from us one dollar at a time.
Since we the people are the one and only source of all tax revenue:
There should be only one tax to collect all tax revenue.
It should be a single, simple, fair, direct, graduated, individual, full-income tax levied on living persons for each level of government: One Tax and Done.
The best thing that government can do to help the country, the people, and even government, is to repeal all of the many hundreds, or thousands of existing taxes, fees, and charges. These taxes are the federal deficit. These taxes are the high price of everything. These tax eliminations are spending cuts. Every tax that is eliminated is a tax that we the people no longer have to pay. These taxes are the difference between the price we pay for health care and everything else, and the price we would pay if these taxes were repealed. Eliminating these taxes will remove them from the price paid for everything by everyone, including government.
One Tax and Done will provide many benefits to all, even government:
One Tax and Done will reduce the price paid for everything by one-third

Right you are, Dr. Sowell
Bush has tied this one up with a pretty ribbon and gifted democrats with a free pass. The press has already shown their stripes so we can't look for pressure from the fourth estate and congressional republicans are being lead by the same tired hacks.

The money train is rolling down hill and picking up steam and the only question left to ask is when will it derail?

roadmaster have you read this?
Article by Bill Bennett..American History amnesia...enjoy

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NmY5NzFkZDdiMDM1NzNjM2 IzNTcyODY4OWIzNjVhYzg=

Anyway to look like they care
They take action to show they are concerned. The bigger the act the more they care. Results are not the issue. Remember the 100,000 cops that Clinton was going to fund? Anybody see a drop in the crime rate?

Roadmaster, so true
Gore didn't want to recount ALL of FL (surely not the pandhandle) but only 4 Dem. counties run by Dem. supervisiors with Dem. committee members running polls using a Dem. ballot they'd had for six years but was suddenly unreadable and unreliable.

(ALso, remember CBS' Dan Rather--election polluting extraordinaire--spent an HOUR announcing FL voting was closed when the panhandle was open another HOUR.)

The Sup. Ct. voted 7-2 that the FL recount process violated the 14th Amend. with inconsistent and unregulated means of determing *chads* and 5-4 to stop the FL Sup. Ct. from changing the certification process that was legally STATEA law and the province of Harris.

(I've always thought without any proof--but I spend 20 yrs. working in pols. in North Jersey--that the Dems. were particularly ticked at FL because all those Newark blacks they flew down to reg. and vote on the same day still didn't throw the election to Gore. The parents who are most vehement about grades are the ones who get D's and F's when they've written the kid's paper.)

The same process took place in Washington state in the last gov. election. The Rep. won through the initial vote and two recounts, but on the third try, the Dem. *won* and was therefore certified.

The Reps. in the Sen. should walk out if Franken is seated (he has not been certified and prob. won't be as Coleman will bring
suit[s] in less the 7 days).

If Burris isn't seated, the House Black Caucus should walk out.

That should stalemate Congress for weeks. It will keep the idiots from plaguing us with anymore debt or regulation and we'll all be better for it.

Mr Sowell
I would not even have to read your piece to give you 5 stars, but please keep writing and keep all of us informed.
We do enjoy it!

Palin/Jindal in 2012!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Peso George, Pardon Ramos and Compean before you leave office!!

Union Infastructure
Come on folks, the entire "infrastructure building" is nothing but a payoff to the Unions who combined, contributed over $500 million to his campaign. If you don't think every one of these projects will be Union built, you are an insane person with blinders.
This is so clearly obvious.....
Seems funny, if a politician takes money from a private entity for favors, it is illegal, if they do the same thing with the taxpayers money, it is all perfectly legitimate. How does that work??

Dr. Sowell's new book
should be required reading for every school child, along with Dr. Bennett's excellent two volume History - BUT they won't because the dhimmicrats, liberal Marxists are well into their 50 year plan which includes book banning and PC thought police.

Woe to us, pray for our leaders to be bless with just a tiny bit of the wisdom exemplified by Dr. Sowell.

Renny - why should any of us be surprised the Franken has successfully stolen an election? That's how the corrupt, win at any price, by any means dhimmicrats operate. "Keep counting the votes until the dhimmicrat wins," is their modis operandi.

That's why they hate Bush with such vitriol. He countered Gore's court case (yes, Algore went to court first) with a countersuit and SCOTUS forced the FL court to "revisit" it's unconstitutional ruling in Gore's favor. Libs have convinced themselves and most others that it was the other way around. What a pointless, pathetic life is lived on the left, believing in nothing but lies.

Unfortunately for us, that was the last time W showed any balls, standing up to the enemy within, liberals.

Thank God, he at least stood up to Islamofacists.

STIMULATION
Just how much stimulation do the American people have to have to be stimulated enough to revolt?
How much corruption must we witness?
How much pain from the hot iron poker of never ending tax hikes? barry may promise $500.00 to middle class taxpayers--what? to spend on his doubling the gas tax?
How many illegal aliens?
How many 'green' mandates?
Just how much, until that last 'straw' breaks the Back of the American people?

Bush' worst decision was to
accept Paulson's *crisis* last summer. It wasn't necessary, it wasn't conservative, and it wasn't politic.

It was a fraud. It rewarded Paulson's personal friends and ruined his enemies--Lehman--and torpedoed millions of retirement savings and pensions, all for personal pique.

It didn't solve the *credit crunch* and has now turned into a slush fund for DC idiots.

It derailed the McCain campaign, which was leading going into the *crisis.* Mac quit campaigning for the nation, while Big Bro O went campaigning on his way, as accruing votes was more important than any national economy.

If Reps. can't stop the Big O stimulus that's next down the pike, they should quit.

Actually, Reps. should walk out of the Sen. if Franken is seated. The Dems. do not have enough of a majority to pass anything without Rep. defections.

Send Coleman money. MN has turned us into the worst of banana republics and tyrannical despotism, the real soul of liberalism.

FDR ADMITS NEW DEAL FAILED
When Morganthau confessed before the House Ways and Means Committee about the failure of the New Deal to end the Depression he was speaking for FDR and the entire Administration. Knowing that the New Deal was a failure FDR continued it nonetheless because it was a political gold mine and would get him reelected in 1940.

In 1941 a high school teacher, part of a group that was visiting the White House, asked FDR what was the best economic theory; having been through eight full years of the failed New Deal FDR replied "there is no such thing as a proven economic theory."

Yellow Machines Making Smoke
The prime objective of the current panic to get 'infrastructure' projects going is the desire to show yellow machines making smoke. The word has gone out that they want ready to go hwy projects that can start as soon as the money magically appears. As Thomas rightly points out, there are few projects just sitting there with approved impact statements and final permits. Besides, creating a bunch of construction jobs may do more to stimulate Mexico's economy right now than ours :)

Doug is right, by the way . . .
Though Bush has been so socialist, and stupid, that he deserves to be blamed just for being a moron.

TruthHurts
Dr. Sowell has smarts and integrity, something sorely lacking in most of the liberals I know. Examine some of the phrases that the left uses.
"Pro choice" instead of "pro abortion"
"Health care" instead of Health insurance"
"Tax cuts for the rich" instead of "tax cuts for the ones who pay taxes"
"Working class Americans" instead of "union members"


Take up arms?
In better times with better citizens, perhaps. They are STEALING YOUR MONEY! Don't you get it? It will look pretty for a while (that is the pattern, anyway) and the PUFF! Goodbye!

And they are stealing from your children . . .

In better times, with better citizens, perhaps. At LEAST don't support these fools.

Congress -- how can we trust them?
Are we to believe that the same Congress that caused the sub-prime disaster, destroyed trillions of dollars in investments, retirement funds, caused millions of Americans the loss of their jobs, their homes, and their children’s future have any idea what they are doing?

Anyone who believes these imbeciles is kidding himself. Congress is incapable of finding a solution. They are so incompetent; that the voters are fools to even let them near any money at all.

They only seek trillions of dollars to pay-off their obligations to those who contributed millions to their campaigns.

Economic recovery is the last of their reasons.

What most people forget is...
...the ultimate goal of every politician is to GET RE-ELECTED!Everything,and I mean EVERYTHING,is secondary to that goal.The welfare of our country is important to the politician,but NOT the most important thing.That will ALWAYS be: GET RE-ELECTED!

Term limits will help,but not by much.And besides,those same politicians are a requirement to pass those term limits.Good luck there!

I don't know much,but I know this much:We are the oldest unchanged form of government in the world,so we must be doing something right.I am not sure what that "something" is,so I'll leave it to people a lot smarter than I am, to point it out."God protects drunks...and the United States of America."

Edna
I agree, My son who has a small business told me to take advantage of every government hand out since he will be paying it anyway. Might as well stop paying my Mortgage, car payment and credit card bills. Since my only income is Social Security. Funny, I never missed a payment on anything my whole life, now the attitude in the country, is don't pay your debts the government will bail you out. Well not me. can't do it. Don't think term limits will work. Too many entrenched politions. Maybe a flat tax. I can't comprehend a trillion here, 3 trillion there, anyway. Hard when you make 25,000 a year, and your investments have been cut in half.

Two predictions...
...I'd bet the mortgage on: First, any and all messes created by policies of the Obama administration (and there will be many) will be blamed on Bush, and second, any criticism of Obama's policies will be labeled racism.

G'Morning All
This Christmas I felt like telling my kids not to give Christmas presents.. because of the "bailouts" they're giving gifts to everyone in this country till the day they die. They got stuck in debt by $43,000 without their consent.

The bailouts are wrong, the government has put this country built on Independence in dutch. When FDR took us off the gold standard so he could print all the money he "needed" he sold us all down the river.

The collective government on both sides of the isle are bad and we're all going to pay and keep paying.

I hate it...politicians are out for themselves and no longer respect the constitution or principals that this land was founded and be real, there's not a damn thing WE THE PEOPLE can do about it.

This doesn't mean we stop trying but until there is term limits and government returns to the ordinary people, farmers and craftsmen and away from the lawyers and lifetime politicians nothing is going to change and we'll be the peoples republic of Amerika.

Bail out money
Dr Sowell you did it again. Hit the nail on the head. The bailout money is just like Social Security. Congress is spending Social Security for everything but Social Security and they will do the same with the bail out money. People will say " O, it is not all that much money". I remember many years ago, at 81 it is hard to remember, Senator Everett Derkson, that spelling is probable wrong, from North Carolina saying, "you spent a billion here and a billion there, after a while you have spent a little bit of money." That quote may not be verbatim, but the meaning is the same. Thank you for you editorial.
Gordon Simpkins
17305 Eagle Bend Blvd
Jacksonville FL 32226

The people have spoken
To a person, TV personality, OP ED commentator, Political wonk, Party loyalist, etc., all agreed the BailOut was necessary and Good.

Dr. Sowell hit the nail on the head by stating, no matter what the reason given for such benesse, US Congress (politicians), to a person, will find ways to fritter away this "largesse" on meaningless projects and other "important" things.

As we see our Country being eviserated from within and outside forces, our spineless "great unwashed" masses (like sheep they are) will follow their leaders to the slaughter house.

There isn't one single person alive in the USA who REALLY wants government to balance their budgets. Most States' budgets have been spent on useless projects.

"And the beat goes on..." (Sonny & Cher)

Been that way before, why stop now?

TruthHurts
You have spent enough time here to know that the attitude of conservatives towards Bush and McCain ranges from total antipathy to hold your nose and vote GOP because the Dems are worse. The most frustrating thing about the Bushes was that they did not follow conservative principles. The current mess is because they were CINOs, but yet conservatism gets blamed. Pork, earmrks, expanded government are anathema to conservatives. Yet these were the rule during the Bush years. Remarks that the Democrats would be worse carried no water. So i did not vote for McCain. Since it was obvious the left wing principles of deferred financing (known as debt), unfunded intitlements, big govt attempts at a managed economy would be in place, i prefer a Democrat in the WH while these policies are followed. H20skier posts some figures. I have every confidence that a couple years of Obama and there will be few remarks from the left about deficits.

TruthHurts
What a pathetic analysis. The only people that call Bush a conservative are those to the left of Lenin. The bottom line on all this is not that the Democrats or Republicans are to blame. This is the result of not limiting the size and reach of governement. If you have an immense beast devouring what the people produce disaster is sure to follow.

The only president we've had lately that was close to being a conservative was Reagan and all he did was slow the damned thing down a little if at all. Some control was exercised under Clinton only because he was opposed by a Republican majority in the congress. Bush squandered that advantage precisely because he is not a conservative.

Under Obama the beast will grow even more than under Bush. You think that will make America more successful?

The Perfect End
If the Left had planned all events after 1988, how could they have improved on Bush-Clinton-Bush? Twenty years of lies, graft, subversion and surrender to our enemies (Communist and Islamic) have borne bitter fruit.

Our "Education" has anesthetized all but the oldest, who are no longer respected. The Most Free and Productive Society will die with a whimper, and the World will shrug.

Good a,b,c's
how self interest drives the system.

system, system, system...

Fightr4right is correct,,,
this conservative is furious at W. And W is NO conservative (compassionate or otherwise). Never has been, never will be. I can't speak for all conservatives, my opinion, and history should bare this out, the spineless repubs, with W at the helm, totally blew the Reagan revolution all to hell. Denny Hassert, and that quack from Mississippi Trent Lott, deserve a b--- slap from every conservative in their general vicinity.
The sad thing is that Bush did so much "reaching across the aisle" only to pull back a stump (from getting bit) that you'd think he'd learn after so many years.. But NO-O-O-O! Not our Georgie boy

Truthhurts
Yeah, the RINO and Bush spent to much. In the first 6 years in office the deficit went up $2.5 trillion. In the last two years, note - the Democrats have been in charge of spending, the deficit has gone up $2.4 trillion. Now, Obama is proposing a $2 trillion deficit for one year! So, in three years the Democrats have almost doubled what it took Bush 6 years to do.

WOW! Katy bar the door.
The door to where I keep my torches and axe handles, that is.

At the risk of being visited by one of The Ones', soon to be deputised, "National Civilian Security" agents, what say we march down to City Hall and wreck up the place ?

Truthhurts
Most conservatives are furious with Bush and his reckless spending. We hate the bailouts, knowing they won't work and will cause more pain in the not too distant future.

However, Obama's plans as he has stated them, will make Bush's spending look like penny ante poker. But you liberals will always stand at the ready to point your fingers at the "dastardly" Republicans. Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry or take responsibility.

My 2009 New Years Wish!...
Let's see if I get this right. Dr Sowell gives King Henry and Dubya the obligatory "conservative pass" with the following quote: "Regardless of what President Bush or Secretary of the Treasury Paulson may have had in mind when they promoted this huge bailout package, with all due respect to these gentlemen what they had in mind will not matter in the slightest after January 20th.".....The previous quote is why Dubya keeps his approval rating above 20%....See, the tough thing for "Conservatives" to do is to admit they were wrong...George W. Bush has presided over the biggest increase in Govt size and overall SPENDING in US History!...But wait! He's a "Conservative" so, he must have had something GOOD "in mind" before pulling the one-armed bandit...Well Dr Sowell, you've given me a wonderful wish for 2009..I'll look for just a small fraction of that "Conservative" good-will that you generously give POTUS 43...I'll simply look for Dr Sowell to politely refer to the President-elect as a "gentleman" sometime this year...I know it's not much but it won't happen..See, Obama's not a perceived "Conservative" so Sowell won't feign to give him the gigantic mulligan that he extends to Bush...The sad part is, the "pass" costs us $700BILL. The "Conservative" approval rating for Bush is STILL north of 50%..Sowell, the reknowned Economist KNOWS this...Alas, party-loyalty beckons so he will always be: "Gentleman Bush"...Just like that bloated approval rating, Sowell offers a bloated free pass...I'm wondering if Obama's "stimulus" works, would Sowell give him credit??...What if he turned out to be a pretty OK President??..Nah... Obama just does not meet the right criteria to be a "gentleman" in Sowell's universe...What's the "criteria"??..Why everyone KNOWS that Bush is a "Conservative"!


The new administration...
... can tear up the rules if it so chooses. Who is going to point it to jail? The media? Congress?
Maybe the cop on the Monopoly board.

Deficit
The federal deficit will be over $2 trillion next year alone. I know the Democrats will try to pin this on Bush and the way the weak kneed
Republicans act they will probably be successful. Come on you liberals lets hear you protest loudly about tax cuts and more spending.
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