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Tuesday, May 06, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Random Events
by Thomas Sowell
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Sometimes unrelated events nevertheless tell a coherent story.

One newspaper story that caught my eye recently was about two high-powered schools in South Korea where Korean girls study 15 hours a day, preparing themselves for tests to get into elite colleges in the United States. Harvard, Yale and Princeton already have 34 students from those schools.

When a copy of the 50th anniversary report on members of the Harvard class of 1958 arrived in the mail recently, I thought back to one of my fellow students in that class who had worn a hole in the sole of his shoe but put a folded piece of newspaper in his shoe to cover the hole, rather than tell his parents.

He realized that they would buy him a new pair of shoes if they knew-- and he also realized that they could not afford it.

He went on to become a professor at several well-known medical schools and to have various achievements and honors over the years.

From even further back in time, I received a letter recently from a man who grew up in my old neighborhood back in Harlem. When he and I were in the same junior high school, one day a teacher who saw him eating his brown bag lunch suddenly arranged for him to get a lunch from the school cafeteria without having to pay for it.

It happened so fast that my schoolmate had already taken a bite from the school lunch when he suddenly realized that he had been given charity-- and he wouldn't swallow the food. Instead he went to the toilet and spat it out.

By now his brown bag lunch had been thrown out, so he just went hungry that day. He went on to become a very successful psychiatrist.

Like everyone else, I have also been hearing a lot lately about Jeremiah Wright, former pastor of the church that Barack Obama has belonged to for 20 years.

Both men, in their different ways, have for decades been promoting the far left vision of victimization and grievances-- Wright from his pulpit and Obama in roles ranging from community organizer to the United States Senate, where he has had the farthest left voting record.

Later, when the ultimate political prize-- the White House-- loomed on the horizon, Obama did a complete makeover, now portraying himself as a healer of divisions.

The difference between Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright is that they are addressing different audiences, using different styles adapted to those audiences.

It is a difference between upscale demagoguery and ghetto demagoguery, playing the audience for suckers in both cases.

People on the far left like to flatter themselves that they are for the poor and the downtrodden. But what is most likely to lift people out of poverty-- telling them that the world has done them wrong or promoting the work ethic of the Korean girls, the dogged determination of my Harvard classmate with the newspaper in his shoe, or the self-reliance of my fellow junior high school student in Harlem who had too much pride to take charity?

When young people go out into the world, what will they have to offer that can gain them the rewards they seek from others and the achievements they need for themselves?

Will they have the skills of science, technology or medicine?

Or will they have only the resentments that have been whipped up by the likes of Jeremiah Wright or the sense of entitlement from the government that has been Barack Obama's stock in trade?

In the real world, a sense of grievance or entitlement, as a result of the mistreatment of your ancestors, is not likely to get you very far with people who are too busy dealing with current economic realities to spend much time thinking about their own ancestors, much less other people's ancestors.

Another seemingly unrelated experience was being in a crowd at a graveside in a Jewish cemetery last week. That crowd included people who were black, white, Asian, Catholic, Jewish and no doubt others. This country has come a long way, just in my lifetime.

We don't need people like either Jeremiah Wright or Barack Obama to take us backward.

The time is long overdue to stop gullibly accepting the left's vision of itself as idealistic, rather than self-aggrandizing.

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Nostalgia
It's sad that these stories reveal a ruggedly-individualistic America that too few of us can relate to, understand, or emulate.

Thank you, Mr. Sowell
for showing examples of people with great character.

Imagine how much better things would be if Mr. Obama, Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, an Al Sharpton could find it in their character to teach their flock to fish rather than to demand that someone bring them the fish.

Racial Harmony Doesn't Sell
The poverty pimps can't make their excessive fees and honoraria from their blinded flocks if we all get along. They must tear us apart to keep us from realizing we are in the same boat and need to paddle in the same direction. As long as we keep our distance from each other neither side will figure it out.

As member of a largely black church you can see a difference in the many of the blacks born in this country versus those who have immigrated from Africa, Jamaica, or the Carribean. Many of the immigrants seem to prosper faster then those who were born here. Many immigrant black are appreciate the education they have. Unfortunatly there are those blacks born in the US who are looking to the gov't to save them. They are placing their hopes in a false god called the government.


Super article Dr. Sowell
The faster we get rid of these race baiter's the faster people will come together and work together

Though it will now be interesting to watch the Liberal moonbats try and tear you down as they attempt to defend their ignorance and stupidity!

Mr. Sowell
There is absolutely nothing random about your thoughts on those random events.

Reminds me of my own father...
Having been born and raised on reservations up and down the Missouri river of North and South Dakota, my full blood, Dakota father raised me to build a life away from the reservation. He made a deal with my grandfather, who I never met, to not teach me my native language, to make sure we left the reservation. Dad has been a lifelong Republican, and has instilled, with Mom's support, a desire to get an education and never look back. All my relatives who still live on the reservation, voting for the same, recycled, corrupt tribal hacks in the hope of getting some kind of hand out, keeps them as the last remaining minority group that still, willingly, drinks the koolaid for the liberal left and votes in droves for the promises of every Democrat that shows up with a promise of more free, government aid. And my liberal friends who support this, out of their own guilt for being non-ethnic, and thinking this will somehow save them from being who they are. Little do they know it will do nothing to help those they vote in support of.

Random Events, indeed...
As usual, Dr. Sowell is right on target and very thought-provoking. Obama is a monumental fraud, a tarnished 'messiah' and critically damaged goods. His far left message of entitlements and bigger government resonates best with the under-30 crowd, who don't have the experience to see him and his agenda for what it truly is, and have drunk far too much kool-aid already. His long-term (and hardly casual) associations with the likes of Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and others is very disturbing, and will ultimately be components in his fall from grace.

Charity...
...only seeks to insult an individual into thinking that he or she is incapable of taking care of self.

Further, it projects that the one "giving" perceives his or her quality & desires in life are the same of the one being given the charity. Plus, with the added bonus of the "giver" elevating a superiority conflation.

This adds further insult to injury by absolving the individual of nature's inherent action toward productivity and self-interest for survival.

No one can save anyone from the reality of choices that the individual made which created the life he or she is now living, least of all a pastor or politician.

Looking to either to do so only shows the infancy of the person and the unwillingness to mature, act responsibly and be accountable.

Can't think of anything MORE ANTI-AMERICAN.


Dr. Sowell illustrates a great
difference between 1958 and now. Yes, there was "charity" in 1958 and it was almost totaly private charity.

Somehow during the LBJ fraud known as the great society the government took over this function and it was no longer charity. It became a government issued "right" and entire generations lived off of it.

Good job Dr. Sowell but you are casting pearls before the swine. THe race hustlers of today who support O'Vomit can hear no evil.

Culture of grievance
Thank you Mr. Sowell, for printing the good (true) side of the story--that effort, dignity and motivation can pay off. The culture of grievance, no matter what the ethnicity or origin of those who embrace it, elicits only failure. We all need inspiring stories. The Victorians were big on these--they helped many hope to and indeed succeed in bettering themselves. My grandparents passed on that legacy of thinking down our family; it lives on today in their great grandson.

Zora Neale Hurston

Ms Hurston grew up in Eatonsville, Fl, a black township formulated for self government where they could profit from their own mistakes and successes.

From this experience and her education she was emancipated from dependency forever.

I can only imagine how hard it was for her to be intellectually free, to really "see" and yet still live in a time where there were less opportunities for her.

I get the feeling Ms Hurston lived with a "no excuses" mentality and that caused her to write a timeless and enduring story of the human condition.

There have always been people who are free and rejoice even in the midst of suffering.

Beware the mirror, Mr. Sowell.
The neo-cons and conservatives are equally self-aggrandizing and purporting themselves to be a victim, too. Conservatives (like yourself) claim to be a victim of liberals; liberals claim to be a victim of conservatives.

If, instead of perpetually blaming people, you took a moment to think, you would discover that you are not so different than your self-created "enemy."

Of course, they don't teach self-awareness at Harvard or Sanford. Hypocrisy is the root of most education/indoctrination, left or right, including most of what writers at Townhall.com contribute.

Beware the mirror! You may not like what you see.

The girls of yesterday
I had an example of this yesterday.

My uncle had made a respectable fortune in real estate, and he and his wife had one spoilt daughter. Every spring and every fall she got an entirely new wardrobe, and my uncle had her old(so called)wardrobe packed up and shipped to my Mama. There was no Christmas like the day The Box arrived! The clothing was fashionable, high-end stuff and some of it had never been worn. The rule was that only those things you bought for yourself belonged to you, so the contents were divided up according to which sister needed them or how they fit. When I went to college I received the lions share as an outfit, including a hair dryer.

Yesterday in our paper an article about a Prom Bank appeared. It is a place for poor girls to get outfitted for the prom, from shoes to hair. One of these girls said she was reluctant to go there even when invited because she was afraid the dresses and shoes would NOT BE BRAND NEW, but would be *second hand*. Someone wished to give her a $600 outfit absolutely free, and she demanded not only that outfit but that it be brand new!

And every Christmas come the begging charities demanding brand new, expensive toys and clothing for The Poor, who unlike us and unlike the children to whom we give, demand better stuff than we have for ourselves. And from me they get nothing.

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Audi

I remember when I got the first dress at five which was neither made nor passed down from my older sisters. It was the most beautiful dress. I wore it twice before I out grew it.

At twelve I was bought my first new non-uniform shirt. I wore it every day that summer till my Mom made me throw it out.

Women and clothes - one must earn the right to distain trends, to recognize what you look like, what shape and color looks best on you and then to become timeless. It is a conservative value that allows for good quality not quantity.

And frankly I've earned the right to wear my favorite pair of jeans till they wear out.

What a difference a generation makes
When I was growing up and complaining how unfair life is my parents told me "the world dosen't revolve around you it owes you nothing. You want something you have to earn it".
Today we have a heard of spoiled sheep who mill around defecating waiting for the government to feed them. What a shame.

kahit's Dad
Your Dad was smart. Having grown up in western South Dakota I saw the same thing among the Lakotas and Dakotas. Those who stayed on the rez ended up depressed with nothing. I remember listening to a jobs listing on KILI which is a rez radio station, and they listed about 20 jobs, all of which were government related. The rez has virtually no private industry, and encourages virtual no personal initiative.

It is the perfect socialist state. Incidentally, some of the poorest counties in the nation are reservation counties in South Dakota. Quite a coincidence huh!

Social Security
being expanded during LBJ's tenure was the beginning.

NO Government Aide
Once again Dr. Sowell has hit the target dead on. A precision strike! As its already been said charity pre 1958 was almost totally a privately funded and managed thing. "Welfare" as was known then was largely a community based effort made by the collective efforts of a number of privately run agencies often under the umbrella of "Community Chest" usually individuals and family needs were vetted by them before member agencies provided help. Help was temporary with the goal to return the individual or family back to self sufficiency. very little government funds were involved.

Today these agencies are more involved fund raising and less involved with providing aide and assistance. Witness that a comparatively tiny proportion of the funds raised actually reach individuals - while a huge amount goes to overhead. We stopped giving any funds to any agency years ago and now we take what we would have given and more to selected individuals vetted by a private all volunteer local organization where 100% of what we give goes to the person or family in need. Its Local and its effective, it gets the most bang for the buck and the government is not involved. It promotes self sufficiency and helps those that need just a little help to get back on their feet.

happy and free
I must say that I don't understand how you reached your position on this subject. Obviously, you aren't very familiar with Dr. Sowell, or you wouldn't embarrass yourself by making such statements. You probably don't have enough sense to realize that you should be embarrassed.

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The Society of St Vincent de Paul does that too. Very effective and very personal. Each individual and family system needs a needs analysis and very specific assistance.

charity not always an insult
I have sometimes been able to help other people. Other times people have helped me. It's not always intended to keep someone down and righteously denying someone the opportunity to help another can be insulting in its own way. I worked hard my entire life; I won't bore you with the details, but 60-80 hour weeks and multiple jobs were just normal. Nonetheless, one night I found myself starting work as an all night fry cook and was genuinely short of cash. I checked the calender with the lead waitress the first night to get the exact paydate and when the week started and stopped etc. Turned out I was going to have to work 14 days and then receive a paycheck for one day, then get a full check 7 days later. Right at the moment, that was my only job Didn't ask anybody for help, just assessing my situation. About 30 minutes later, she came back and handed me forty something dollars the busboys, dishwashers, and waitstaff kicked in to help. They were glad to have a real professional cook, which I was, instead of a bum, which was what I was replacing. I almost cried. minimum wage was 2.75 and most of these people made it. Should I have haughtily refused it?? I started to, but the waitress gave me one of those looks that would shut up a drunken table of truckers and said, "I know you're not going to insult everybody in the place and say you're too good to take that. right?" I kept it and I've passed in one to others when it was needed.

Amen
First off: Kahits, the world needs more people like your father.

Secondly, I'm reminded of the aftermath of Katrina. The African-Americans in southern Louisiana started hollering for federal aid right away. I saw a story about caucasians in southern Mississippi who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and started cleaning up their town first. I don't know if they ever asked for federal aid or not. If they did, fine, because at least they started working themselves first.

Just think where
the black community would be today if there had never been a "war on poverty".

If, after addressing the abomination of Jim Crow and ensuring their schools were as adequate as ours were, we had left these folks alone. Does anyone think they wouldn't have soared and prospered?

If we had made it clear the responsibilities that came with civil rights would be no drugs or crime or filthy lyrics in "music" that degrade and coarsen society we would all be better off.

IMO the key was outreach to the black churches, to have the preachers make the point that education is the road to progress and we are all in the same boat, it's not a "white thing" it's a smart thing.

Instead liberal pols pandered to the worst elements using PC to keep the rest of us from complaining, thus we all suffer today and the racial divide is wider than ever.

kahits
You sir are an asset to this country and I salute you. I think your father could teach this country a lot about immigrants assimilating into American culture. Definately honor and remember your heritage. But, be the American that you are. Black, brown,yellow, white, red all togeather we are much better. We can remember where we came from and bring the respective strengths we have to help America move forward.

Who do we have to blame for Bill Clinton
Based on what you've written, who do we have to blame for Bill Clinton. There was never a better con man then Bill Clinton. He could charm the poor out of their welfare checks. Who then was responsible for the way Bill Clinton turned out. Based on what you've written someone had to be responsible for the eight years of the Clinton administration other then Bill. Who was Bill's mentor who influence made him chase women so much. We need to know who Bill's mentor was that influenced Bill so much that he let his guard down in order for the terrorist to attack us. It's only fair if we're going to link Obama's judgment and character to his mentor. We need to link Bill Clinton's presidency to some mentor because no one acts on their own according to what you've written. If a person actions are only the result of someone else's influence then could it be Bill's mentor was Hillary. Bill did say when he was sworn that Hillary was co-President.

Sowell
It is hard not to admire. The hard work rags to riches stories that Professor Sowell shared here. But the fact is that most of the current class of Freshman at Harvard are there because they were fortunate enough to be born to wealthy or upper middle class parents. The easiest way to get into Harvard is to have a parent or grand parent that when there.

Like many people I question the successes of the war on poverty and I believe the reforms that Welfare Reform under a moderate Clinton administration with the suppoer of Conservatives was a step in the right direction inspite of the crys of from the left. We beed to promote hard work as a value, That said, the right's record on helping the poor is awful. For the first six years of the Bush administration Concervatives in congress blocked increases in the minium waqe.

Tutition at colleges has continued to rise but the grants that used to be available to help level the playing field have been changes into loans and as an added insult tak dollats have provided to the banks for as middle men while doing nothing and assuming no risk.

The fact is that poor and working class people sometimes need a little help and that help is a good investment for society. I like the self-reliance message, but I wish there were some policies to back it up. It seems like conservatives have such a limited tool box because of these ideological litmus tests like no new taxes.

The conservative prescription for every problem is only three things. Cut taxes, reduce regulation on industries, Cut services though this is always referred to as cutting spending.



Real reasons for apathy
Why don't we see that you can't really get something for nothing? It starts with our worldview. Unless there is a Higher Power or Being that we are accountable to there is no real bottomline basis for character development. The gov't becomes the Messiah. That is why the left are so anti-God. They realize that their foundational power is threatened by the self reliance one gains from real Faith. In contrast the Apostle Paul said "If there is no life after death let us eat drink and be merry..." Eat, drink, be merry-this is America today. The gov't can't fix this and the ballot box won't unless God is addressed and embraced. I'm afraid that we in America will continue to decline.

JMO51
THe problem is that the Democrats only have a few tools in their shed, as well: Raise taxes, Massively increase spending, make people rely on the government, and regulate everything as much as they can get away with.

The less the government does for us, the more we can do for ourselves and the better off we'll be.

Dr. Sowell
Thanks so much for the memories. When you look in the mirror you will see a man who truly is loved and admired by so many of us. You sir are a great American.

JM051

JM - It is evident that you don't want to get it. The best definition for you is willful ignorance.

In a society where there is local support to intervene in real and temporary emergency, I have found out family, friends and peers have stepped up to the plate.

Your unwillingness to see what conservatives give and do personally and what they advocate for public spending answers your concerns.

It is hard to trust the good will, thought and energy in people and yet it is there. It is not duty that compels them but love.

I had a best friend
when I was in school. She was rather spoiled and got most things she wanted from her parents. She also was never made to do chores or contribute in any way to the family system.

Her parents both died before she turned 18, and I watched her spend much of her adult life trying to find substitute parents. She just couldn't get it that adults had to pull their own weight in life. She constantly made excuses for herself for failing and was always looking for someone else to take over her life for her. She frequently played on the sympathies of those with tender and gullible hearts.

My parents on the other hand were frugal. I had part time jobs from the time I was 14 because I knew if I wanted anything, I had to get it myself. My father made me iron shirts for him at 50 cents a shirt to pay for a prom dress for my senior prom. I didn't like it then, but I certainly appreciated the lesson later. Needless to say, my life turned out much better than my friend's, and I was spared the frustration and humiliation of looking for handouts my entire life.

To Jm051
Your post indicates a lack of a basic understanding of economics. You need to read Sowell's books on the economy; it would do you well.

Republicans were against an increase to the minimum wage primarily because of the potential impact to unemployment levels and inflation that can result from forced pay increases. Surprise! Since the minimum wage was increased, unemployment has jumped up a notch and inflation has again become an issue. Certainly, these changes are not strictly due to the wage increase, but it is a factor (and the mainstream press refuses to discuss it). Minimum wage increases are done for political purposes; they help nobody and raise costs on small businesses. Employers and employees should be free to strike their own deals.

Conservative believe in cutting taxes, because it stimulates economic activity and creates jobs at all levels. What exactly is your definition of "a little help" needed by "poor and working class" people? The "services" that are cut by government more often than not are things the government has no business doing in the first place. Government was not created in this country to provide "services" to individuals. It exists to protect and defend the nation from its enemies and maintain a general order. The liberal prescription for everything is to raise taxes on those who work the hardest and distribute the funds to those who do not work so hard. In the process, the government gets bigger and bigger and less efficient, so less is used to "help the needy" anyway.

Again, you need to read Sowell's books on basic economics.

JM051

And in case you need a real definition of the outcome of healthy love, the objective is to empower and the reciever understands this, using the opportunity to fulfill that mandate. It is ok to be grateful. Gratitude makes us glad to be alive, it frees us to be joyous in suffering, to carry our burdens lightly.

When giving and recieving are an active of love both parties are enriched and enboldened to live life to their full potential to love and serve God.

In regards to the two percenters - those that simply can not care for themselves, every community should treat them with inherent dignity and allow them to participate and integrate in society as much as possible.


The perils of prosperity
America is in big trouble. Like countless empires that have risen and fallen before us, prosperity is causing our national soul to rot with selfishness, greed, narcissism, and materialism. Collectively, we are wealthy beyond belief. Most families have multiple cars, TVs, DVDs, computers, cell phones, iPods, video games, clothes, shoes and abundant food. Compared to millions/billions of current and former humans, we are blessed beyond measure. Despite this objective truth, whining and complaining has become our primary national pastime. We never have enough, the "govermint" never gives us enough, whitey has never atoned enough, and I want my neighbor's new Lexus. Hillary, Obama, most Democrats and far too many Republicans are now pandering to this entitlement mentality. Fat, lazy, greedy and stupid . . . four labels that apply to more and more Americans each year.
The founding fathers warned of this, but no one seems to be listening any more: "We have no government powerful enough to contend with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice (greed), ambition, revenge or gallantry would break our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." (John Adams)

A helping hand
Is always better than a hand out.

HAIL to THRadio!
You said it!!!


Our youth are pampered as if they were God, Himself.

The teen segment of growth is dwarfed in our society [unknowingly] by parents, who have to keep up with the jonses due to their own mesmerized condition...materialism, soccer, have replaced spiritual grounded foundations in teaching individual responsibility to humanity, as a whole.

Economics are lost completely, because teens intimidate adults, and simply learn little of a dollar's respectful worth.

God is not central. Therefore Britney Spears is.

Every 13 year old ought to be taught to work [in some capacity], to save a portion of one's earnings, contribute a portion of one's earnings and to partake in household maintenance.

From that simple exercise, a work ethic begins.
A world awareness begins. Self becomes relative within its scope, instead of ITS scope, on its own.

By ensuring these simple family humbling expectations, we contribute to our global society in what may appear to just be, a little way.

When was the last time YOU received a 'bread and butter letter' from someone?

Remember those?

By the way, I, too, am guilty.



A few questions. Hopefully some answers
“People on the far left like to flatter themselves that they are for the poor and the downtrodden”

“In the real world, a sense of grievance or entitlement, as a result of the mistreatment of your ancestors, is not likely to get you very far with people who are too busy dealing with current economic realities to spend much time thinking about their own ancestors, much less other people's ancestors.”

Interesting.

There seems to be this presumption by individuals like Sowell that the so called “far left” do not value hard work. It seems Sowell’s entire argument is based on the fact that those on the “far left” are not indifferent to racial marginalization, historic inequity, and the poor and downtrodden.

I have a few questions for those who support Sowell’s ideology: Does one’s indifference to historic inequity, racial marginalization and the poor and downtrodden, make one more valuable of hard work?

Does one’s support of an agenda that aims to curtail racial marginalization, historic inequity, and the numbers of those who are poor and downtrodden, mean one does not value hard work? Could one not only value hard work, but also have compassion for those in unfortunate circumstances?

Finally, is it just as feasible that those who are indifferent to racial marginalization, historic inequity, the poor and downtrodden are just selfish, callous individuals who have little empathy for others?

Is it just as feasible that those who are indifferent to the racially marginalized and the poor do not really value hard work, but are ONLY concerned with their own immediate gratification?

Is it just as feasible that those who are indifferent to the racially marginalized and the poor have genuine racial bias, or have a classist and elitist attitudes towards those who suffer in poverty?

Are these not also possibilities?

Hello KingX
You say you want answers to your questions, I doubt it.

Isn't it feasible that you only want others to affirm your own belief system to rationalize your excuses for the lack of success in others. Isn't it feasible that you want others to agree with you that the reason that those who have been "racially marginalized' cannot succeed because they have been held back by others. What you want is acceptance, not answers.

You are living in the past. Dr. Sowell has grown beyond the past and earned the respect of many of us. His words speak to us because they are also our personal experiences. We share a common belief with him because each of us have learned to overcome our difficulties. Our individual difficulties may differ but each of us were determined not to let anything hold us back.

The person that goes along with the crowd will get no farther than the crowd. Take comfort in the crowd you seek.

Tibby

impeachbush
Do you have an address I can send you a pacifier?

If you think things have been "rough" for your candidate now, imagine him dealing with the real world's problems and issues.

Stop whining.

Farrakhan, Wright and Obama
I don't see a dime's worth of difference between Wright and Farrakhan. Obama sat in church for twenty years listening to Wright's hateful rages and rants. He even attended the Million Mans March with Wright and Farrakhan. He supported this hate speech through his contributions to this church. It is incredulous to believe that Obama did not believe the message propagated by his church; Otherwise he would have left. He only threw Wright overboard when Wright dissed Obama at the National Press Club and became a political liability. After all this, Obama claims to be a post racial and post partisan candidate.
I may have been born at night but it was not last night. Obama is a fraud and has fooled a good portion of the American people. Hopefully the American press will continue to examine Obama's ties to the lunatic fringe of American politics.

The lefties who post here
Need better arguements.
You're pathetic.
Not one of you who has posted here on this subject shows any knowledge of economics or the history of the same in the USA.
The REALLY stupid poster who says the right doesnt give as much to charity as liberals is supremly ignorent since the right in America gives more to private charity then any other group on earth and have for over a century.

The stinky liberal talking point tactic of only counting government controlled charity and ignoring private charity is proof the left is consumed by the popularly understood Machiavellian maxim "the ends justify the means".
But getting them to discuss their "ends" these days shows an enherent dishonesty and constant public rhetorical evasion of their real goals.

Face it: you're untrustworthy and so are your two deligates. The stream of rats deserting the ship is a sign.

To impeachbush
Are you in the third grade? If you have advanced anywhere beyond that level in school, you should be ashamed of yourself. Describing someone as a "rightwing nutcase" is beyond idiocy, particularly when you are defending someone who is a far left extremist (based on his own voting record). There is nothing "unifying" about someone who wants to tax everyone who works hard in this country and redistribute it to those who do not work very hard. There is nothing "positive" about a presidential candidate who seemingly hates his own country, whose wife said she has never been proud of the country. There is nothing positive about a presidential candidate who sits in church for twenty years and listens to the minister preach anti-American racially charged messages, and does nothing to refute those messages.

Because you call someone a "uniter" does not truly make them a uniter. Obama is a divider. He is not a viable candidate for president, and we can only hope that most people begin to recognize this before November.

Telling it like it is
Dr. Sowell, you've nailed it once again. Or I should say them. The liberals in this country don't know compromise and will never accept conservatives. On the other hand conservatives have to accept their propositions with no debate because they control major media. That is changing and Thank, God, you, TH and radio are available to lead it. I only hope we will wake up in time to change Congress. It can and must be done.

Vote out rinos and dims.

Dr. Sowell
Your column should be required reading in every classroom in America.

Where is lib demo
As liberal democrat likes to point out doesn't the constitution say "from each according to his ability to each according to his need." Pretty sure it is in the constitution or maybe it's in BO's platform.

Wherever it is tried doesn't the above prescription for ordering human affairs result in paradise on earth? After all doesn't everyone want to work like heck for the state to make sure his poooooor fellow comrades have a full and rich life. Life is good when you truly believe that man is basically not out for himself but subscribes the the primary tenant of Obamania of "Yes We Can!" "Yes We Can!" Good ole Michelle ends her sermons for the messiah BO with a few of those!


Debbie
Debbie writes: Tuesday, May, 06, 2008 8:07 AM

"I saw a story about caucasians in southern Mississippi who pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and started cleaning up their town first."

In D'Iberville, MS, the council voted to allow anyone to come in and help restore homes as long as the repairs met the code, i.e., you didn't have to be a professional tradesman. I went in with a church group - you have to pay for your room (in a tent), board, and some materials. The people there are all races.

kingx
NO!

Primus54
Did I really read impeachbush correctly? Was he really whining about Obama despite the fact that Bush and Cheney have been repeatedly smeared and lied about.

The left and the media are nothing more in this country than an angry irrational out of control mob.

Censor Sowell and his kind.
What Sowell fails to recognize is that the vast majority of people are incapable of surviving without the assistance of a benevolent government. To expect individuals to make sound decisions in their life, or to properly plan or conduct their personal business is simply ridiculous. Just as children need to be given direction from parents as to how to conduct their lives, individual citizens need government to serve the same role by giving such direction to the commoners.

Aside from the progressive thinkers in government, there isn't a single American alive who can say with any confidence that they really know what is best for themselves. People invariably make the wrong choices when it comes to environmental issues, financial planning, child rearing, etc. As such, our government provides programs of instruction that are superior to anything that the common people develop on their own. In fact, anytime anyone does something that is out of line with government policy, the effort is guaranteed to fail.

It is unwise to attempt to thwart the efforts of those in our government, and voices like Sowell's should be silenced for our own good. It is unhealthy for the common people to be exposed to ideas that express discontentment with our rulers, for such antisocial opinions only serve to harm the collective.

Ignore Sowell and others of his ilk. The government will take care of all of your needs if you will only let it do so unfettered. Malcontents we don't need. We do need people who follow the edicts of our rulers.

Rob
I agree with you on Michelle Obama. Yet BO's remedy is to take more hard earned income away from everyone despite the fact that they can't work hard enough. Makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

Government needs to get out of the way and let Americans work hard enough, not penalize them for their work.

The dogs named China and India are snapping at our heels....wake up people!

King X
Your arguments are all based on what happened yesterday. If we follow your logic, then every single American is owed some sort of affirmative action or monetary payment. Christians were fed to the lions centuries ago? Pay them damages by assessing a tax on pasta! Jews were killed all over Europe for centuries? Pay them damages by adding a $200 fee to each plane ticket to Paris and Munich! The Irish were treated poorly in 19th century America? Tax all green clothes and pay them the windfall. The floodgates will never be closed once you go down this path. Stop whining about past treatment and ask yourself "What can I do today to make my life better?" Get a better education. Strengthen the family unit. Abstain from substances that addict and enslave. Keep your pants zipped and don't procreate until you are mature enough to raise kids. It is such plain, common sense. But when whitey offers such advice, you scream "insensitive" or "racist." When Cosby and Sowell say it, you scream "Uncle Tom." And thus you continue to listen to your own pied pipers of stupidity (Wright, Jackson, Sharpton) and continued failure is the inevitable result. Wake up!

Rob
“Alas, many in America today, mostly liberals, expect the government to have a main role in achieving success in our personal lives with give away programs”

What “give away programs” are you referring to?


I was raised in the same way
you describe the persons in your article. We just buried my 83 year old mom a couple of months ago and my father four years ago. I am basically the same age as Barack being 47 myself, but we are worlds apart. I cannot relate to the generation raised by essentially what I call narcissistic "hippies."

I was raised with a strong self reliant work ethic. My Mom and Dad gave to others first and then saved and few treats for themselves even after that. I am college educated, but chose to stay at home and home educate, along with my supportive husband, our three sons. We wanted to instill our values in them, not the government "welfare" and we believe "Immoral" values. There is too much curriculum available to all in this country. We packed quite a bit of learning in their young years, but they still had time to enjoy the outdoors and community around them. Our last son, technically graduates this year from high school, but already has completed a year of community college. They will all graduate from a university, debt free, working part time along the way. No handouts or scholarships.
We are an average family that shops at Wal mart and thrift stores and JC Penney happily, because we choose to live within our means and build a nest egg for our family.

I thank GOD everyday for my depression era raised parents who taught us to live self reliant lives, caring for others and not waiting for the government to do it, and mostly enjoying the freedom and beauty of our God given Country. Neither my husband nor I was ever going to be one of these phenomenons mentioned in the article, but it really doesn't take the greatest intellect in the world to be a happy and productive citizen, anyway. You can do a lot with a little when you have a good attitude and work ethic.

You are my favorite scholar Dr. Sowell.


Love LD
Good to see you here loyal democrat! Written in the your best style! Can't trust those common people!

Lolo on impeachbush
Lolo, I've learned over the years that there are sheep on both sides of the political spectrum that will never hear what you say.

You have those on the right who claim that video games must be made illegal, etc. You have those on the right like impeachbush. The only difference between the two is that I find them to be a minority on the right and a majority on the left.

impeach bush
No, Mrs. Obama's words were not taken out of context. She said she had never been proud of her country before her own husband's success. So she was not very proud of her country when we landed on the moon, or provided billions in aid to Africa or helped to rid the world of Adolph Hitler. Give me a break.

Your slap at Bush is also an empty statement, since Bush's shortcoming has been appeasing his political enemies. If you were not such a Bush-hater, you would see the truth. GWB is unpopular because he has too often tried to appease the left with liberal immigration policies and overspending.

Again, your talk of the economy and tax policy is based on liberal talking points you've read online at Daily Kos or somewhere, but it has no basis in reality. Bush gave tax cuts to all of us. Personally, I've saved thousands every year and I am squarely in the middle class. Stop getting your data from those who no nothing of the subject. Lower income people also had their taxes reduced, even eliminated in many cases. Peole with children had their child tax credits increased substantially under Bush (that is a tax credit, a direct reduction of taxes for each child you have). Low income workers now get refunds for taxes they have never paid in the first place. None of this information is my opinion; it is fact.

Mr. impeachbush, I am a conservative, which means I deal with facts not innuendo like you do. Come back with facts and not just empty statements that mean nothing.

To Commodore
I think you've hit the nail on the head. There are extremists on both sides of the aisle, but liberal extremists appear to make up the bulk of modern thinking. Take a look at the leftists responding here and then read the comments from more conservative people. You will note that the leftists are almost all spewing talking points that have little or no basis in fact. They respond to factual criticism with drivel. I point out that Obama is not a uniter and ther response is something like "neither is Bush". Well, Bush is not running against Obama last time I checked, so this is a pointless comment. Someone a long time ago told me to never argue with a fool, because people might not recognize the difference. I need to remember that lesson.

What lies?
"All of the lies and smears with regard to Bush and Cheney have come from their own mouths since DAY ONE of their administration!"

Link?

Who elected the Congress We Have?
Everyone talks about Bush and his policies, but who actually makes the policies that are forced on the public? It is Congress and so far they can't seem to get anything right, much less passed and agreed with on both sides of the isle.

America is dependent, and who has made them dependent, it is the hand outs from the Congress we elect, they love a dependent America because it gives THEM more power over our lives and we accept there peanuts they give out and think we are benefiting ourselves. Well think again, what has all the give away really cost us in our lost freedom, that they take away with the other hand.

Joy

impeachbush
I know from your past rants, you always just bury your head in the sand whenever confronted with facts and evidence that shatter your illusions, but the "out of context" excuse is the same one you used to explain Wright. However, we all just heard Wright's full explanation of those "out of context" remarks (which turned out to be even more ridiculous and incendiary).

So it turns out you were completely wrong. I'm confident you'll be apologizing in one of your posts very soon....

I know I'm wasting my time, but you really should read this....

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2008/02/2 0/michelle_obamas_america_--_and_mine

We Elected the Congress We Have
Everyone talks about Bush and his policies, but who actually makes the policies that are forced on the public? It is Congress and so far they can't seem to get anything right, much less passed and agreed with on both sides of the isle.

America is dependent, and who has made them dependent, it is the hand outs from the Congress we elect, they love a dependent America because it gives THEM more power over our lives and we accept there peanuts they give out and think we are benefiting ourselves. Well think again, what has all the give away really cost us in our lost freedom, that they take away with the other hand.

Joy

THRadio
“Your arguments are all based on what happened yesterday. If we follow your logic, then every single American is owed some sort of affirmative action or monetary payment.”

Well, despite your presumption, there are many individuals who in 2008 experience unjust racism, and there are millions of people who suffer in poverty (particularly children) with little or no help of getting out. These are not facts of “yesterday”, they are facts of today.

“Christians were fed to the lions centuries ago? Pay them damages by assessing a tax on pasta”

These events did not happen in the United States, so of course it would be ridiculous for the US to make amends with individuals it did not oppress.

“Jews were killed all over Europe for centuries? Pay them damages by adding a $200 fee to each plane ticket to Paris and Munich!”

Unlike American slavery, the extermination of Native Americans, and Jim Crow, the Holocaust did not happen in the US, so of course it would be silly for the US to financially compensate Jews for atrocities Americans did not commit. (It is interesting to note that one of the largest museums in America is a Jewish Holocaust museum, one purely dedicated to American slavery has yet to built)

“The Irish were treated poorly in 19th century America?”

Are you equating the mistreatment of early Irish immigrants to the treatment of blacks and Native Americans?

Did the Irish have come over to America during an enslavement process that cost the lives of millions of their ancestors? Were the Irish lynched and hung from trees at the same rate that blacks were? Were there specific laws codified to marginalize the Irish from equal access and equal treatment in America? Were millions of Irish immigrants exterminated by disease and violence by invaders who wanted their land in America? I’m sorry but I am having trouble seeing the equivalency.


Robert's "idiocy" on display
The Townhall Coward's® (aka, "Robert) reply to Rob is one of his better examples of how far left are his honest viewpoints.

He equates the interstate and the military with social programs whose unintended consequences have been to create an entire class of people with an "entitlement" mind-set.

Interstate highways and the military are paid for by taxes levied on citizens and businesses and are designed to further commerce and protect our security & sovereignty.

Providing for the common good so each of us has an opportunity to "pursue happiness" were anticipated by the framers.

Social programs, social engineering and "entitlements" were not.

Perhaps Robert should stop lecturing others to read our founding documents and take another gander himself.

T.Sowell hits Oboma's in a Nut Shell
T.Sowell hits Oboma's in a Nut Shell but so does he on most issues putting in great disagreement with Socialist/Liberals and the USLESS NAACP and Black cacus .Must less Wright and Oboma .

Thomas Sowell just maybe the Brightest , Smartest,well researched Facts only , Reason and Common Sense based man in America for my Money .
If Thomas Sowell was 56 rather than 76 year old .

Most Americans of any color , religions and race would vote for him for president learning his GREAT mind , ethic's and colorless values .
Not to mention he is a Nationally recognized Author PHD and top Economist and writer of 33 great best selling books . His Book on Basic Economics' is in its 12Th. printing and many years old and is a must read .
80 % of all Americans don't know about Thomas Sowell which is quite sad and less than 98 % of all blacks in America know about Thomas Sowell .
Thomas Sowell just for the record is one of my few hero's in life and I am a Southern BLUE EYED FORMER RECOM MARINE white guy.
Dr. Sowell after a long Letter I sent to Him.. Sent me back a awesome Birthday note in a email .
He said I was his Son by proxy and my thoughts help make his hard work helful .I had told him if I could have chosen another dad even though I would have been biracial if would have been worth it to be lead by much a great man .

KING X writes:
Did the Irish have come over to America during an enslavement process that cost the lives of millions of their ancestors? Were the Irish lynched and hung from trees at the same rate that blacks were? Were there specific laws codified to marginalize the Irish from equal access and equal treatment in America? Were millions of Irish immigrants exterminated by disease and violence by invaders who wanted their land in America? I’m sorry but I am having trouble seeing the equivalency.

Then maybe you need to read some Irish history.

Lumberjack7392
"Then maybe you need to read some Irish history."

Educate me.


TheCommodore
On the money Sir!

Hello KingX
So much of what you say did happen in the past. Somehow I think you would feel more comfortable with that past. You keep reliving it. While it is important to remember the lessons of the past so that injustices are not repeated when is it appropriate to let go of the past and look to the future?

The difference between enemies and friends is time. Apparently not enough time has yet elapsed for you to forgive. How many more centuries are needed before you begin to look to the future?

If you took half your negative energy that you expend condemning others and placed into building a future many more would be better off. But then if more people led more productive lives you wouldn't have anything to complain about.

I throw down a challenge to all. Name any good event that happened in the past and I guarantee that I can come up with a "yes, but" to counter that success.

When you continue to look for bad, I promise you can find it.

Tibby

impeachbush
You epitomize the old saying "There are none so blind as though who refuse to see!"

The media has been manipulating this country with lies and exaggerations since it's inception.

You are just another willing lemming, as you pick and choose what to believe or not, with no thought process or logic behind it.

Tibby
Hello Tibby

“So much of what you say did happen in the past. Somehow I think you would feel more comfortable with that past. You keep reliving it. While it is important to remember the lessons of the past so that injustices are not repeated when is it appropriate to let go of the past and look to the future?”

I’m not “more comfortable with the past”, I just understand that history shapes the future, and that the present we endure in America (whether good or bad) is a direct result of the events America has experienced in the past. Wouldn’t you agree?

Is it so incomprehensible that historic economic and cultural marginalization of one particular group, will affect that particular group economically and culturally in the future? Is it so incomprehensible that the economic and cultural conditions of blacks, Jews, Asians and Native Americans are distinct in 2008, when the history of blacks, Jews, Asians and Native Americans are also distinct?

KING X
It is not possible to improve the present or the future by brooding over the past. We can learn from the past, but we cannot redress it. We cannot "bring justice" for it. We can only forgive it, and overcome it.

You help no one, including yourself, by dwelling on past grievances and encouraging others to. You speak of having compassion for people, but it is an injury to others to encourage them in believing that the past of their ancestors locks them into patterns of failure today.

Go back far enough in everyone's ancestry and you will find victimization by slavery, abuse, war, famine, torture, and vice. It does no one a drop of good to dwell on that. People who succeed transcend the past. Until you know that, you are entitled to feel compassion for whomever you will, but you are not entitled to define for me what compassion is. You don't offer people hope; you offer them vengeance. That is a path to spiritual death.

Great Article Dr. Sowell
Once again, great article! Dr. Sowell is a national treasure.

Charity, 1932
My mother grew up in the Great Depression--born early 20's. When she was in grade school--circa 1932, there was no school lunch program. Everyone brown bagged it. But--you could BUY a half pint of milk for a penny. My mother's family were not rich, but not destitute by any means. So--my mother went to school every day with TWO pennies. One of which went into a cup on the teacher's desk. The other was for her milk. The contents of the cup were used to purchase milk for the kids who couldn't afford the penny. Mom said that some of those brown bags were pretty empty--the milk might have been it.

By putting the money in the pot, the embarrassment of having someone specific buy your milk was avoided.

The attitude of the time was that if you could afford something for yourself, you could afford to help someone else.

BTW, whenever the subject of guns in school comes up, she always chuckles. She said that the poor kids often brought a rifle to school--in the hopes that they could bag dinner on the way home. The guns were left in the principal's office during the day.

Rob
You could spend every hour of every day for the next week to look through Townhall archives for just one example of Robert ever admitting an error - and be one week older with nothing to show for it for your trouble.

He is a legend in his own mind - and probably the biggest coward and greatest fraud I've ever witnessed.

If you ignore his supposed "support" for John McCain in his comments, his opinions cannot be discerned from any of the other leftists who troll this site.

He's a lefty - just dishonest about it.

King X writes:
"Are you equating the mistreatment of early Irish immigrants to the treatment of blacks and Native Americans?"

No. The early Irish immigrants to the Carolinas were given the job of clearing the malaria-infested swamps because no one wanted to risk losing a valuable Black slave. So the Irish had it worse in some respects.

And there was also plenty of anti-Semitism in the U.S. until very recent times. For example, in New York, with a huge Jewish population, the telephone and electric companies had an overt, publicly-stated policy of not hiring Jews up until at least 1952.

Chinese and Japanese immigrants and their descendants were grossly discriminated against up to and including the 1950's.

One should never disregard the suffering of African-Americans. We should all remember it and vow "never again". But that is no excuse for descendants of the mistreated to demand special treatment. Suck it up and move on!

SemperVigilans
Great commentary!!

To ReCon-USMC
Nice Post(11:25am). Thanks for your service!

Thanks, again, Dr.Sowell
...for another insightful article.

As a bitter, God-clinging, gun-toting typical white person, I have often speculated as just what was entailed in the work of Sen. Obama as a 'community organizer' in Chicago.

What person or organization, I pondered, pays a 'living wage' to someone to organize garage sales, or rubbish removal from alleys, for example?

However, his association with ACORN explains a great deal regarding Sen. Obama's record as labeled the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate.

Who funds ACORN? Perhaps it exists today as another creation of our federal government.

Does anyone know about this organization and its funding? My understanding is that it grew out of the civil rights movement of the 1960s in Little Rock, but what does it 'organize' today? There may be an interesting link between Sen. Obama and ACORN. Often these organizations are interrelated. I am aware that the Children's Defense Fund (sounds so innocuous, does it not?) receives no government funding, for example. It is funded through other organizations that receive federal funds.

A twist on money-laundering. Our tax dollars at work.

King X
Ok, I'll play along. How much? What's the price tag for whitey to make up for his ancestors' sins?

....and how do we determine which blacks are actually descendents of American slaves, when 72% of black children are born to unwed mothers? Do blacks from the Caribbean or blacks who immigrated here also get the "payment”?

My next door neighbors are black...they also make much more than I do. Do I have to pay them as well?

I recommend you read Dr Sowell’s essay, “The Real History of Slavery”, which is found in his book, “Black Rednecks and White Liberals”. It would give you some much needed awareness and education on this issue.

Just curious, are you aware that slavery was an accepted worldwide practice from the beginning of time until the 19th century? Are you aware that the US and England led the worldwide efforts to outlaw slavery....at a tremendous cost in resources and human life? Are you also aware that they faced extremely harsh opposition in their efforts....especially by African countries?

Michelle Obama' - A Scold and Mover
impeachbush writes: Tuesday, May, 06, 2008 10:35 AM

"Michelle Obama's words, like everything else thrown at the Obamas, were taken out of context."

OK, put these comments from the wannbe nation's first scold into context

"We left corportate America...don't go in to corporate America."

"We are so close in this country to being a united states”

“I want my girls to travel this world with pride”

“Don’t get sick in this country. Not here."

“So I am here right now because I am married to the only person in this race who has a chance of healing this nation.”

"Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."

“Barack is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics.”

"That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."

"They can’t look to any one individual, whether it’s Barack or it’s the next new hope that’s going to appear to be that savior."

"If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be.”"I come to this with a lot of interesting talents, but I think it would be unfair of me to say today what I would do in a couple of years. I need to be prepared to do what the country needs me to do at the time. Whether that’s baking cookies or serving as a wonderful hostess, that’s my job."

-------0------

Well, I suppose that she can move the world with Exlax cookies...





KingsX is right.
All white people are affluent today, just as they were a century and a half ago. All non-whites are living in utter poverty in 2008 just as they were a century and a half ago.

There is no chance for a non-white to succeed in America. Non-whites are incapable of overcoming any adversity that may have faced their ancestors so long ago. A white person may be able to rise above things that happened in their past, but a minority cannot do the same. Minorities are held down unless whites give them a hand out. Progressive Democrats realize the basic inability of minorities to compete with their white counterparts, whereas conservatives are so cold hearted they expect minorities to compete on a level playing field.

KingsX fails in his life because some remote ancestor of his possibly faced hardship, just as all minorities do. America is known for its lack of opportunity, and minorities suffer accordingly. Minorities are denied placement in universities, refused employment, disallowed from participating in governemnt contracts, and so forth. A non-white simply has no chance of competing with the whites in America.

Instead of criticizing KingsX, we need to feel sorry for him. KingsX acknowledges that he cannot survive without white handouts, and that he cannot compete with whites for jobs and education. KingsX admits that he is an inferior person, and because of injustices performed by people long since dead to people who are also long since dead, members of his race will always be retarded in social and intellectual development just as he is now. Thank goodness Democrats are there to give him the handouts he needs to stay alive.

Loyal Dem
Great Post! I will track to see if anyone gets your point or gets caught in the trap!

Why the paean to ignorance?
Obama did not "collaborate" with Ayres, he served on a charitable board with him. Does Sowell's case really require this kind of ludicrous misrepresntation?

And the idea that Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate is one of these canards that are repeated only by idiots and liars. This comes up every four years when the National Journal comes up against presidential candidates who miss a lot of votes because of campaigning. The result is that their survey makes them come out more extreme than they actually are. In 1996 Dole came out as the most conservative senator? Does anyone really believe he had the most conservative voting record?

Why do Townhall readers accept having their intelligence insulted in this way? Sowell is basically letting you know he thinks you are too stupid to require an honest argument. Why does this draw so much applause?

Lon
Obama did much more with Ayres than just "serve on a charitable board."

Obama had one of the highest "present" and absent voting records in the Senate....long before he began "campaigning." On the votes he did make...he ALWAYS made the liberal vote (in fact, when challenged, he was unable to name one instance when he had "crossed the aisle" and went against the lib crowd.

Perhaps if you learned a little more on these issues you would also "applaud" Dr. Sowell's article....

SemperVigilans
“It is not possible to improve the present or the future by brooding over the past. We can learn from the past, but we cannot redress it. We cannot "bring justice" for it. We can only forgive it, and overcome it.”

Forgiving and forgetting and learning from the past is one thing. Economic justice is another.

For example, it is an unequivocal fact that blacks were robbed of millions, possibly billions of accrued capital due to historic racism and oppression. Blacks were discriminated against in employment, bank loans for homes and college education (this is why we have HBCU’S).

The accrued capital that blacks were robbed of due to historic racism could have been used as a foundation for future generations of blacks to be sent to college, own homes and small business’s. Many blacks instead have become petty violent drug profiteers as a result of their economic disillusionment. Is it a huge surprise that most who become petty drug dealers come from extremely impoverished, uneducated families and surroundings?

Is it illogical and unjust that some advocate the so called “entitlement programs” (that those on the political right despise) in order to curtail violent drug trafficking, and economic disillusionment amongst the descendants of the group that economic and cultural wrongs were directed at?

Finally, is it inconceivable that the black population consistently votes against the political movement that constantly seeks to abolish the so called “entitlement programs” given their intended purposes?

Good Info frm icedog
Absolutely. everybody on these boards should read Dr. Sowell's "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". These essays even explain the good Rev Wright. He is really the epitome of the classic black redneck southern preacher. His gigantic ego just magnifys his southern baptist, redneck traits. He simply plays to and feeds off of his adoring audiences. It was this audience support that drove him a bit "off the deep end" at the Press Club. A part of understanding racism is to truly understand the complexities of slavery in an historical perspective. For example, Wright is NOT mistaken when he remarks on the God of those slaves below decks of slave ships and the "other" God of those above decks. Those Africans below decks certainly were not Christians and may have worshipped a God or Gods far different than that quoted by Rev Wright. History describes few Christian missionaries running around Africa as the slave ships were loaded. One should doubt that those above decks, whether White-European, Black African or Arab, were clinging to King James Bibles or wearing crosses. Black-African slaves assumed the religion of their fellow, non-slave owning, lower class white rednecks in the South and addapted their emotional preaching traditions.

This country can never address the issue of race until people of intelligence study history and understand that slavery has been, and still continues, as a worldwide issue. Our young country simply adopted slavery which was, at the time, a worldwide "tradition". In fact, if one studies the history of Charleston, SC you will find black slave traders and black slave owners, as well as a rather large community of freemen. Slavery wasn't just about race, it was also about culture, politics and economics. Slavery certainly should be condemned, but also understood in a historical perspective. Of course, its history is not pretty.

Good Info frm icedog
Absolutely. everybody on these boards should read Dr. Sowell's "Black Rednecks and White Liberals". These essays even explain the good Rev Wright. He is really the epitome of the classic black redneck southern preacher. His gigantic ego just magnifys his southern baptist, redneck traits. He simply plays to and feeds off of his adoring audiences. It was this audience support that drove him a bit "off the deep end" at the Press Club. A part of understanding racism is to truly understand the complexities of slavery in an historical perspective. For example, Wright is NOT mistaken when he remarks on the God of those slaves below decks of slave ships and the "other" God of those above decks. Those Africans below decks certainly were not Christians and may have worshipped a God or Gods far different than that quoted by Rev Wright. History describes few Christian missionaries running around Africa as the slave ships were loaded. One should doubt that those above decks, whether White-European, Black African or Arab, were clinging to King James Bibles or wearing crosses. Black-African slaves assumed the religion of their fellow, non-slave owning, lower class white rednecks in the South and addapted their emotional preaching traditions.

This country can never address the issue of race until people of intelligence study history and understand that slavery has been, and still continues, as a worldwide issue. Our young country simply adopted slavery which was, at the time, a worldwide "tradition". In fact, if one studies the history of Charleston, SC you will find black slave traders and black slave owners, as well as a rather large community of freemen. Slavery wasn't just about race, it was also about culture, politics and economics. Slavery certainly should be condemned, but also understood in a historical perspective. Of course, its history is not pretty.

RANDOM EVENTS
Sorry I could only rate you with five blocks.You
really deserved ten
Larry

KingsX
"Economic justice is another."
You're almost there....go ahead and spit it out.

Please answer my 12:29 questions to you.

Loyal Democrat
Cute satire, but the reality that we live in is much more complex than your black and white absolute assumptions, assumptions like:

“There is no chance for a non-white to succeed in America”

Of course no one believes that, however, blacks have succeeded IN SPITE of racism and historical inequity not because it has not affected them economically or culturally.

“ Non-whites are incapable of overcoming any adversity that may have faced their ancestors so long ago”

Once again, blacks have done this IN SPITE of the existence of racism and inequity not because it hasn’t existed, does not still exist or does not need to be combated in some form or fashion in 2008.

“ A white person may be able to rise above things that happened in their past, but a minority cannot do the same”

Two different histories my friend. The problem with satire is that although it’s funny, it has to rely on exaggerations and generalizations to make its points. These exaggerations and generalizations do not allow constructive debate with substance. Very funny though.

It will take a new civil war
The Left will never willingly give up its goal to turn the US into another USSR.

When two opposing views of the world meet, one has to give. There is no coexistence, especially if one-Leftism-cannot tolerate any views outside its own.

One has to give. The question is, do we consider our drift into socialism, or do we try to stop it?

Aw, never mind, keep playing your Wii, and watch Idol, and gripe about oil prices. Go to sleep.

Hillary delenda est.

Justice
As a Christian, I believe that you reap what you sow. Jeremiah Wright, Barak Obama and all of these other poverty pimps better enjoy what they have now because the afterlife will not be so pretty. I cannot imagine how they are going to try to justify their actions to God.

icedog
“Ok, I'll play along. How much? What's the price tag for whitey to make up for his ancestors' sins?”

Well I wouldn’t say it’s just “whitey”. Last time I checked blacks paid taxes as well, and these taxes help fund the so called “entitlement programs”? How long? I don’t know. I ‘m not sure, and I am not a future teller. But I do know that many of the blacks who live today, lived during the Civil Rights era and Jim Crow, and that their children and grandchildren( My grandmother lived during Jim Crow) are economic and cultural products of that era.

So given the proximity in time and history I don’t think it’s time to declare that “all rights have been wronged” and we all are economically equal.

The Civil Rights Act was just passed in 1964. You may have been born before that.

“My next door neighbors are black...they also make much more than I do. Do I have to pay them as well?”

Of course not, but as I said, we all pay taxes, there’s no escaping it.


“Are you aware that slavery was an accepted worldwide practice from the beginning of time until the 19th century? Are you aware that the US and England led the worldwide efforts to outlaw slavery....at a tremendous cost in resources and human life? Are you also aware that they faced extremely harsh opposition in their efforts....especially by African countries”

I am aware of all those facts.



icedog
Sorry I meant: So given the proximity in time and history I don’t think it’s time to declare that “all wrongs have been righted” and we all are economically equal.

KingX hangs out in the margin
Have you ever heard of the concept that one cannot marginalize a person unless that person gives them permission? One's words of negativity cannot devalue a person unless that person gives them permission. Get the the jist of where I'm going? Stop giving anyone and everyone in the past and the present permission to marginalize you and your brethren. Otherwise, you are giving whitey permission to make clowns, losers and any number of negative charactarizations imaginable out of any class of people they choose. Do you see how you are creating your own misery by not taking responsibility for your well-being and success? Do not allow that mind-set to ruin your whole life----unless, of course, you actually enjoy being marginalized, or seeing others marginalized simply that fictional state of being has become your comfort zone.

KingsX
You still haven't answered my main question.

What would it take for KingsX to proclaim, "Ok, we are all square. Every person's success or failure, black or white, is now dependant upon their own efforts and abilities."?

icedog
"What would it take for KingsX to proclaim, "Ok, we are all square. Every person's success or failure, black or white, is now dependant upon their own efforts and abilities."?"

I don't know. But I don't feel we have arrived at that point yet.

gayle
Yet another great commentary!

KING X
There is no such thing as economic justice. There are only economic success and failure.

Your historic "fact" about blacks being "robbed" of "accrued capital" is ridiculous. Capital doesn't accrue either to generations or to races -- it accrues to individuals. Capital can't be stolen either, only wealth can. Thomas Sowell has documented the great economic progress blacks had made before the Civil Rights movement, and all that progress was made by individuals, just like the economic progress made by other races and ethnicities in America.

Compassion for others is not something any of us owe them, either for our "wrongs" or for the wrongs committed by the dead. Compassion is the business of the giver's heart, not an exercise of "justice." Justice cannot empower; justice punishes. It is MERCY and LOVE that underlie compassion, and the desire to do good to one's fellow man.

I will not withhold true compassion from anyone because of people like you who pretend to put a dollar figure on compassion, and decide if it qualifies as "justice." You are chasing a chimera, and I can't stop you. What I can do is point out the utter failure your efforts will be. You will end up with neither justice nor success.

King X
How about this: We give every black family $15,000 per year until the year 2250. Is that reasonable?

So......
King Xray aint finished pouting yet. Either that or his calculator burned up while he was tallying up the reparations.

Re: King X
Hmmm, economic justice where have I heard that before...oh yeah I know Das Kapital. Sorry preaching economic justice for the "down trodden" when they aren't down and for sure aren't trodden is asinine. Sorry, but how about you pay me for what you put my ancestors through from 1492 through the present? Bull pucky. It's not going to happen and the reason why is the American Indian lost. Same with the blacks you're railing against white America when it was people back in Africa who were selling off war captives in a practice that continues to this day. Go back to those African slavers and get your money back. The people in America were wrong to own slaves and they shed the blood of millions of their own (600,000 direct combat casualties + 1.2 million post combat injury casualties + and estimated 3 million casualties due to disease, starvation and thirst). The fact is this country paid the price in blood for slavery. It was a horrible practice and it needed to be stomped out and the price was paid. As for racism. I tell you what you willing to pay for all the loans, college admissions, property sales that people didn't get because they were white? It's a lot more cash than the number you're thinking about for people because they were black because there were a lot more loans, admissions and other economic attacks on people because their skin lacked the proper melanin content than in the time before. You're talking about billions well since the 60's white America has sacrificed trillions upon trillions in loans not received, set aside contracts missed due to race and tax dollars put directly in the pocket of people due to their race and no other reason. Sorry, America has paid it's debt you got a problem go back to the people that put your ancestors in bondage. It's not the American people those the ones that bound your ancestors were born and raised on the African continent.

More ideas
Also, the Italian government needs to pay reparations to all countries who were once part of the Roman Empire. The French need to pay reparations to Moscow for Napoleon. The Israelis need to pay the Palestinians. The Brits need to pay the Irish. And the Mexican government needs to pay reparations to the Aztecs (oh never mind - they killed all of them).

Rotas Testing
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behappyandfree
One has to wonder if you even read the column.

Okay, Now What?
Typically, the Liberal comments to this latest of Dr. Sowell’s columns totally ignore the very specific point he made and focus instead on justifying’ black anger’.

Whether or not ‘black anger’ is justified is not the issue. The issue is what is now to be done given the fact that such ‘black anger’ exists. That is the conversation we should be engaged in and if Barrack Obama and the Liberals who participate here really want a more intelligent and productive dialogue on race in this country then he and they are squandering an ideal opportunity to engage in it by addressing Dr. Sowells point: “But what is most likely to lift people out of poverty-- telling them that the world has done them wrong or promoting the work ethnic of the Korean girls, the dogged determination of my Harvard classmate with the newspaper in his shoe, or the self-reliance of my fellow junior high school student in Harlem who had too much pride to take charity?”

King X
Speaking of reparations...whose going to pay me and the city of Houston and for that matter for all major cities in America? That is for all the damage that many blacks in this city have done to the value of the property, the violent crime/imprisonment cost, the child abuse/foster care cost, section 8 housing cost, welfare cost...

I have seen almost every area I've lived in become a crime ridden ghetto on the northside of Houston, that doesn't even count the southwest side. I have seen Greenspoint become Gunspoint. Just Google DeSoto St. crime Houston,TX. You will see one of the deadliest St. in Houston. It is horrible. There is a self-inflicted genocide occurring in the black communities throughout the country. It is not being foisted on blacks by whites. It is being perpetrated by other blacks. Where's the fairness and justice in that?

KING X -- Deadlines
icedog: "What would it take for KingsX to proclaim, "Ok, we are all square. Every person's success or failure, black or white, is now dependant upon their own efforts and abilities."?"

King X: "I don't know. But I don't feel we have arrived at that point yet."

This is ALWAYS the same answer to that question.

The people who want "more" entitlements *never* have a deadline, a completion date, a measurable, achievable goal, a point where we can finally proclaim, "Mission Accomplished."

When Affirmative Action was first proposed, the idea was that it would go on for 25 years and then be enough, and put to an end. Every liberal who has defended AA on these pages has repeated this same goal -- starting from *TODAY*.

In other words, entitlements will have done their job "in the future." It's always "someday".

(Incidentally, and somewhat ironically, these same people want a hard cut and dry deadline for pulling troops out of Iraq, as if any war in history has ever been fought on a pre-planned schedule.)

That's the problem. It's always "keep it until the next generation". Always.

At this rate, we will never see it end. 20 years from now, there will be people clamoring to keep the status quo, or "more", for yet another generation.

I tell you what.

Given that today, the bulk of the problems in any given poor community in America is largely self-inflicted; even most liberals are willing to admit that these days; why don't we just PRETEND that all these wonderful entitlement programs have done what they were intended to do, and start working on solutions that DON'T involve robbing Peter's tax dollars to pay Paul?

Charity?
“Charity only seeks to insult an individual into thinking that he or she is incapable of taking care of self.”

I beg to differ. Charity and welfare are as different as night and day. Substitute “welfare” for “charity” in the above, and the quote works.

Unca Alby, Icedog, et al....
Yes, that is precisely the more intelligent and productive dialogue on race in this country that Obama and his supporters promote but refuse to engage in.

Realistic charity
I've been reading about unthankful poor.

I quit giving new toys to our church's Christmas drive when I realized the "poor" kids coming to receive the items wore $100 tennis shoes and carried brand new cell phones. By contrast, my kids are wearing $14 tennis shoes from Walmart and I cut their hair to save money. (Don't get me started on 9 year olds w/ cell phones!!!)

Instead, we recently had one of your church leaders (a Nigerian couple)place on bed rest due to a pregnancy complication. I raised $140 and took a week's worth of groceries to her, her husband and their 2 year old daughter. Their appreciation of the "gift" our church family gave them was priceless!


Can't buy me love
Isn't that what KingX is all about? He wants to defame and defile whitey with every accusation he can muster and whitey is supposed to respond by handing over some cash? This will make it all better and we can all kiss and make up without further ado?
As catscratchfever demonstrates, blacks have some debts to refund to whitey for the damage and loss they have caused in major cities.
You know, I really am not comfortable with this "blacks did this," "whitey did that" stuff. I want to see blacks and all races succeed and enjoy the fruits of their own labor and be the best they can be.
Writers like Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, et al can lead us in that direction.
Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson haven't even gotten blacks on the road, let alone led them to the land of enchantment. Rev. Wright and Senator Obama will not either. Too bad more blacks can't see the wisdom that Thomas Sowell provides them.
His words are salve to the brain. Please treat your contusions and abraisions with the healing salve. It will relieve your pain.

Booker T. Washington, Lincoln, Truman
Among the many who came from poor families and were successful in the U.S., land of opportunity, were:
Booker T. Washington, born a slave - see his "Up From Slavery"
Abraham Lincoln
Harry S. Truman

My own grandparents and great-grandparents came to the U.S. with nothing, not even speaking English, and worked to have decent lives.



Spot on
Good article.

gayle
gayle--you are right when you said: "You know, I really am not comfortable with this "blacks did this," "whitey did that" stuff. I want to see blacks and all races succeed and enjoy the fruits of their own labor and be the best they can be."

As MLK "dreamed" it is not the color of the skin but the content of the character. However, liberal/socialist people and policies being what they are have only furthered the great divide.

I cannot believe that Reverend Wright and many of his ilk (hate-filled ungodly men) can get away with saying that black children can't learn to read and write nor can they behave in school. What a bigotted racist thing to say. If any white American said that, they'd be run of the country on a rail.

I work with multiple blacks who have much more higher education and make more money than I do. Is he insinuating they can't read or write or unjustly received their jobs or education?

economic "justice"
So KingX, where's the reparations for my Italian grandmother's family when the corrupt government of Chicago stole her father's property and businesses from her mother when he died suddenly in 1916? He had been a successful businessman and they left her destitute.

They left my great-grandmother pregnant with 4 children. She worked 2 jobs, and my grandmother's eldest brother worked instead of going to school, just to keep food on the table. When my grandmother was a teenager, she dropped out of high school for a year to help support her family.

My grandmother had to have the little toes of both feet removed because of the damage done by wearing charity shoes that were too small.

My great-grandmother never complained. She refused to let her children speak Italian, telling them that they are Americans and will speak English. They dropped the final 'o' from their name in order to seem less 'foreign' so that they had better job prospects.

And the discrimination my Irish ancestors experienced, both before and after they arrived in the US, would fill a book (and already has).

Please study the history of the immigrant groups that populated this country before commenting on them. History isn't black or white, it's various shades of gray. Not all blacks were slaves, not all whites were slave owners (most were not), some were slaves and indentured servants themselves. Some blacks were slave owners. Many Americans have ancestors who fought and died to free the slaves. Some 80% of black Americans have white ancestors.

Different groups of people suffered greatly throughout history. What makes the United States different is that people can come here and be anything they want to be, without regard for who their ancestors were. And that's unique in the history of humans in our world.

Misleading Democrats
Whenever I hear modern Democrat politicians speak, all it seems to be is a litany of everything that is wrong with America. We don't do this, or we do too much of that, etc. There is nothing inspirational about anything these so-called leaders are spewing. They are negative defeatists who seek to stir up their base. In essence, they do not do anything different than Reverand Wright does; this is why Obama saw no problem with Wright's demeanor all these years. Judging from comments of people here, they have a lot of people snookered.

The U.S. remains the premiere nation on this planet. No other country even close to our size has so successfully integrated a multi-cultural population as this one. Much of the rest of the world is made up of nations that indeed are racist, anti-Semitic, socialisic, etc. We are the most free people on earth, and the freedom and wealth we enjoy in this nation is exactly what gives so many of us the time to sit around and think about everything we've done wrong. If peole were truly as poor and miserable as described by Democrat leaders, we would not have the time to post rhetoric on internet message boards.

AZPhil
If the Israelis have to pay the Palestinians, then the Iraqis and Iranians need to pay the Israelis -- for the invasion of ancient Israel by, respectively, the Babylonians and the Persians.

In fact, there are a lot of modern Arabs who owe Israel for raids, despoliation, and burned cities. Since that goes both ways, perhaps we could pay KING X to tally up the accounts for them.

And we haven't even gotten started on those 400 years of slavery in Egypt.

Let us not forget, either, the invasion of Europe by central Asians (Mongols, Huns) every 400 years or so. Slaughter and slavery were the order of the day. Not to mention the sacking of Rome by the Vandals, or the Goths taking over the Roman Empire. Then, in Rome's salad days, you've got those friggin Phoenicians who were such a royal pain, and Hannibal's campaign against Rome -- the Italians have plenty of their own grievances against Africa and the Middle East.

Greece could join Israel in demanding reparations from Iran (see "300"). In fact, an awful lot of the modern Middle East could. Those Persians were some overweening invaders.

Yes, the utility of this is unmatched. Let's spend some more time on it.

Facts Matter !
I am tried of Listening to Liberal White guilt and there is nothing we can do for Blacks unless we make them Millionaires since 6 Trillion dollars in Welfare and 31 other Welfare Programs have been spent to date and are truly making the conditions far worse since it's inception back in 1964 by a well meaning L.B Johnson but it was and is a Total disaster White Guilt Liberals and Black want to fund more and more sadly !
If any of you Blacks and White Guilt Liberals will take the Time and read Thomas Sowell's best seller book . 'White Liberals and Black Rednecks' will hopefully change their tone and learn welfare has required tons of $ money and that isn't the answer obviously .Actually it never was we have painfully learned .
It is a return simply to families values long help in the black family in the past , ETHICS , MORALS , HARD WORK , EDUCATIONS JOB SKILLS AND ONLY MARRIED PARENTS HAVING BABIES THEY PAY FORE AND TEACH ABOUT LIFE AND LEAD THEM IS THE ANSWER .
Since 1964 welfare has literally ripped families apart . The Government is the payer and bad Dad . The kids odds are 10-20 % he or she will leave that 5 NOW 6 Generation a little more rotten and far sadder .
Sowell examines the Top 21 cities in the USA STRONGLY run by Blacks and White Guilt Liberals and you will easily see that those same Cities have gotten far worse since 1964 .
As have those 21 cities that spend $15 to $ 17.500.00 per student yet the drop out rate is 52.7 % ! Many High School diplomas' can't read the damn diploma's
Here is a small example . Back in 1945 .. 78 % of BLACKS THAT BABIES WERE ""MARRIED " . in 2007, 72 % of all Black Children born were out of Wed Lock .

For a second be me .I pay the max in taxes and while traveling all major cities in Amertica I saw out hard earned money destroying a important black race in all "'Our " Country .

We are fast becoming a
nation of beggars. Like the frogs in the slowly heating pot we are with little discomfort, gradually killing ourselves and our beloved country with our demands for some impossible equity. Nor should it be possible. What a dreary, boring and disgusting world this would be if all humans were the bleating sheep wanted so desperately by the socialists; and the wolves.

Random event...
In a library in Florida a couple years ago, I had a ten-yr-old black girl demand, not ask, to use my ball-point pen... and when I directed her to the reference desk instead, I was told 'slavery is alive & well' by both her & her father, who had been sitting nearby.
Anyone who thinks such thinking is remediable through civil or political discourse, or hand-outs, or AA, or reparations, is nuts. All I know is that long after I am dead, that little snot will still think she has the moral high-ground in all her dealings with white people.

Typical is the response by KingX to another poster, above: "Educate me." As Bill Buckley once wrote to an angry subscriber, "Cancel your own d*mn subscription."

tommy
No truer words have ever been spoken. many thanks!!!!

Good question, catscratchfever
"Is he insinuating they can't read or write or unjustly received their jobs or education?"
I can only assume the Rev. Wright was operating at such a fevered pitch, he didn't know what he was saying.
I doubt that I would be given the same benefit of doubt if I made such a despicable, racist remark.
My first experience with a black family in the mid-fifties was in elementary school in Denver, Co.
Father, lawyer. Mother, school teacher in my school, and hands down, the most respected teacher in the school. She is in her nineties now and has had a elementary school named after her because of her exemplary work. The four children were well-behaved, talented, intelligent and role models for all the children. The oldest boy, my age, was elected head boy at our high-school in 1966. He received a well-earned music scholarship to a prestigeous college. All four children became successful adults. Yes, this family suffered from random discrimination. However, none of them gave the perpetrators of discrimination permission to control their destiny or alter their view of self-worth. Look at what can be achieved when blacks refuse to give in to loathsome bigots and racists.

Obama- the Kool Aid line starts here
Thanks, Dr.Sowell, for another excellent insightful article. In a speech given in Philadelphia a few weeks back- a speech that was hailed by the bedazzled and benumbed left as a milestone in race relations in this country, Mr. Obama spoke in defense of his pastor, "Reverend" Wright, and said that he could "no more disown Rev.Wright than he could his own grandmother".
Last week, when the furor over Wright's outrageous statements and stance wouldn't go away, and the "Rev." made a theatrical and unrepentant appearance before the National Press Club to heap more tinder on the fire- which caused Obama further political pain- Obama suddenly did a 180 degree turn and officially "disowned" his pastor. It occurs to me that "Grandma" must be getting nervous about now... Why do I get the feeling that this man will say ANYTHING to get elected? This is a person, who in my opinion, will say virtually anything to get elected; all the while deceptively disguising with his movie star appeal and vague, glittering generalties that he found somewhere in the museum of the Sixties, the most far left agenda that has ever been offered to this nation for the office of POTUS. America, wise up.. don't drink the Kool Aid...

The Amazing Dr. Sowell!
Thomas my good man, you're on top of your game on this column. One of the major problems of the African American community is this sense of entitlement.
Sadly, for most of us because of ancestral persecution and poverty piimp race enablers, we've wallowed in our grief for far too long, and with our hands out willing to accept gimme's for past inequities, we've accepted the status quo dictated to us by left wing loonies.
Thus the blind loyalty for the Democratic Party, who's always willing to cut a check here or a check there to anaesthasize Black folks.
It's one of the reasons Black Students have such a dismal academic record and increased dropout rates, alarmingly, most recently in the Black middle and upper classes.
We've shied away from Math and Sciences and embraced sports and entertainment, sadly, normal is one Black Scientist for every three thousand Rappers.
Okay, Okay, so I'm exaggerating, but just a tad, we need to continue to stress strongly the need for education in our society, so we can really overcome past trangressions.
Hopefully, Dr. Sowell the brilliance of this column will not go unnoticed.

Random Events
The key in your message is how to help an individual; isn't that what everyone should want? Mr. Wright and Mr. Obama's message does not help the individual.
You are wonderful and thanks for your contributions.

JRH

The Error of Seeing Race, Not Class.
Much of what this response train degenerated into is about race. And which races are worthy (unworthy) and deserving (undeserving).

But the worthy and deserving of all races are the ones we might characterize as having class. And the unworthy & undeserving of all races are the ones we can characterize as having no class.

Admittedly, class is hard to nail down. But it is not money: There are pimps with plenty of money and as low class as it's possible to be. And there are librarians with little wealth who are about as much a class act as you could ever care to meet.

It seems to me King X is not distinguishing between classes -- between the deserving and the undeserving needy. He(she?) tends to see all the needy as deserving. His(her?) opponents tend to make the obverse error of seeing all the needy as undeserving.

King X would probably get a better reception if he(she) admitted that charity -- being costly and in short supply -- should be directed only toward our deserving needy and should be withheld from those who have done nothing to deserve our help. (Who, indeed, have sometimes caused the problems the rest of us are now being called upon to remedy.)

And King X's opposition here should be more willing to admit that some of the needy are fully deserving of a hand up.

King X
On your opinion that white Americans should pay some type of monitary compensation to the black citizens of this country (sorry unless you immigrated here from Africa, you ARE NOT an African-American) I disagree. American's did not travel to Africa and force anyone into slavery. Those people were sold into slavery by their fellow Africans. Perhaps you should seek your handouts from their ancestors. And for those blacks that find America to be such a racist and terrible place to live you have the freedom to move to your "motherland" any time you want. I am betting NONE do.

Those bloggers, early this morning who
expressed their views with clarity and non-persecution, were refreshing to read.

Thank you.

To those [some even on my side of the election campaign] please try to refrain from name-calling so we all may learn new perspectives.

Don't get caught. It weakens your case.

Thanx, again.


Americans who truly believe they are
helping fellow Americans when they, themselves, buy their provisions from wal-mart, so that they may give to the less fortunate...

please read up on this corporation and learn what/who you are really contributing to.

You'd serve your fellow man and our country to make your charitable gifts from scratch.

I know you mean well.

The wal-marts of this land have destroyed citizen's American dream. But they've supported outsourcing, overseas manufacturing, pollution, low wages, closing small businesses by price undercutting [they buy in massive quantities], greed...

I've found no reason to shop in 'box stores' when by supporting my local markets, farm stands, hardware stores, contributes to the landscape of our individual regional flavors and puts profits right into the hands of my community; not someone sitting in a skyscraper, or flying on his private jet to the knicks game.

"Not that there's anything wrong with that."


Nellie
Me thinks your hyperbole does not serve you well.

We may disagree on the benefits or detriments of Walmart, but a couple of the words you use don't come across as fact, but as opinion.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and the reasoning behind your pronouncements, but it just doesn't make logical sense that "The wal-marts of this land have destroyed citizen's American dream." My dreams are going great and if I had to bet money yours are probably going great as well.

Secondly, But they've supported outsourcing,YES,
overseas manufacturing,YES,
pollution, RIDICULOUS,
low wages, AS DOES EVERY COMPANY IN THE WORLD,
closing small businesses by price undercutting [they buy in massive quantities], OF COURSE THEY BUY IN LARGE QUANTITIES, THIS WAY, YOU AND I PAY LESS FOR THE GOODS WE NEED, WHETHER A BUSINESS STAYS OPEN OR CLOSES IS UP TO THEM. SHOULDN'T THE SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE TO COMPETE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS (KIND OF LIKE WALMART VS. TARGET VS. K-MART VS. SEARS ETC.
greed... IF YOU MEAN SERVING A GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE BY LETTING THEM BUY PRODUCTS AT LOWER PRICES (SERVING THE CUSTOMER) THE RESULTS OF WHICH LEAD THEM TO MAKE MONEY, THEN NO PROBLEM. THEIR PROFITS ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE.

(SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, IT WAS THE EASIEST WAY TO DISTINGUISH EACH OF OUR COMMENTS.)

Regards

10 stars Dr.
In those days people still had pride and values. Sadly today it is only what "I" can get out of the system and the politicians will promise anything to get elected.

Nellie writes
I've found no reason to shop in 'box stores' when by supporting my local markets, farm stands, hardware stores, contributes to the landscape of our individual regional flavors and puts profits right into the hands of my community; not someone sitting in a skyscraper, or flying on his private jet to the knicks game.
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Cut the Elite Liberal crap out as usual Nellie ... Your Global warming Boy Al Gore , Nancy Polosi , Robert Kennedy jr all of Hollweird fly private Jets because they are Rich and Liberal elites .
I am sure if your were very Rich you would take a Bus ON LONG TRIPS now made with parts from China as are most American cars and Trucks AND 68 % of our Oil is foreign .
When you go into your Wonderful local Hardware store 60-70 % of the products come from China as do TV;s , Cloths , I Pods , Video games , Toys ,pet food ,tooth paste , paint , Computers too name a few THINGS sold at your local stores with higer prices not just at LOWER PRICED
WAL MART .
My love of Life the Furniture Ind. and Career now is 80-90 % China made and sold at all Local FURNITURE stores as is the Ticking on American made bedding and fabrics on American made sofa and chairs . 90 % of alll Bed Room and Dinning Room is all China and NAM MADE .
Most two faces Liberals and Union people shop at Wal mart even my ""middle class sister ""does and is a officier with a local very large Union shop because you Liberals are not letting us drill our own oil or built Nuke plants so the price of Food is Sky high as is gas .
Your Boy Bill Clinton was the Villian on THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT so the world would like us better .
Wake up or is that asking too much of social Liberalism .Probably !
No trade agreements like Hillary and OBOMA want should make the Poor parts of the WORLD REALLY LOVE US ...DUH !


Mr. Sowell
Thank you for reminding me how wonderful this country was because of the quality of its citizens.

Leftist ideology
has helped more than enough people literally to death. Death begins spiritually, worms its way into the intellect, gnaws the individual into victimhood, then culminates in collectives that eat and spew ignorance and death. Always.

Who is King X??
And how did he/she remain so incredibly uninformed in a society laden with give away programs?? Unless, of course, reality has been so reshuffled that give aways are now considered birthrights. That would figure.

Former rep never a dem
I am a biaracial person who works in a very liberal field (not all of us are indoctrinated!), and have a very dear friend from Gabon. This remarkable lady thinks the solution for the stupidity of many American blacks is to send them to live in her country for one month. She swears they will return "Thin and grateful". I believe her!

Clarity
Nothing like concrete examples to make the point.

Professor Sowell, you are truly one of America's clearest thinkers.

Integration
This is off the topic of the article and somewhat off of the topic of the comments, but too bad; maybe Town Hall will give you a refund.

I do not like to bowl all that much, but I love the bowling alley. One reason is that I enjoy the remarkable corn dogs and French fries that are available at many bowling alleys and the reasonably priced beer.

The most important reason though, is that the bowling alley is one of the most egalitarian and least segregated places in any town. Two distinct groups seem to like to bowl in large numbers; lower middle class whites and lower middle class blacks. They seem to interact in that setting on a very even, comfortable and accepting level. It is refreshing.

I take my 16 year old son with me to the bowling alley about once a month to shoot pool. There is a karaoke machine in the game room. About half of the songs are rap/hip-hop/r&b tunes and most of the rest are country songs. For some reason it always amuses me to watch a bunch of rednecks applauding a black girl singing a song about kicking her boyfriend to the curb.

I have never seen any posturing or antagonism on racial lines at the bowling alley. Everyone seems to relax enjoy himself while he is there. It is very nice to see. My point is, if you want to get a more positive view of racial relations, go to the bowling alley, grab a corn-dog and shoot a game of pool. Just thought you would like to know...

lon
Are you paid to write as you do?

Obama credits his wife as to a very important influence upon him. Read the following and see Obama fell in love with the Reverand and the blame game.

"I direct your attention to Mrs. Obama's 1985 thesis at Princeton University. Its title (rather limited in scope, given the author and the campus) is "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community." To describe it as hard to read would be a mistake; the thesis cannot be "read" at all, in the strict sense of the verb. This is because it wasn't written in any known language. Anyway, at quite an early stage in the text, Michelle Obama announces that she's much influenced by the definition of black "separationism" offered by Stokely Carmichael and Charles Hamilton in their 1967 screed Black Power: The Politics of Liberation in America. I remember poor Stokely Carmichael quite well. After a hideous series of political and personal fiascos, he fled to Africa, renamed himself Kwame Toure after two of West Africa's most repellently failed dictators, and then came briefly back to the United States before electing to die in exile. I last saw him as the warm-up speaker for Louis Farrakhan in Madison Square Garden in 1985, on the evening when Farrakhan made himself famous by warning Jews, "You can't say 'Never Again' to God, because when he puts you in the ovens, you're there forever." I have the distinct feeling that the Obama campaign can't go on much longer without an answer to the question: "Are we getting two for one?" And don't be giving me any grief about asking this. Black Americans used to think that the Clinton twosome was their best friend, too. This time we should find out before it's too late to ask.

http://www.slate.com/id/2190589/?from=rss

bla, bla, bla
that doesn't impress me, folks.

Wrong again. Clintons? No way.

my mother taught me to sew at 5
She'd make matching outfits for our dolls. Our friends [to my embarrassment] always received homemade outfits with homemade wrapping paper and card on their birthdays. They always made such a fuss about them. She taught me to save, even earlier than that. We bought in bulk and maintained a full freezer in our basement.

Mom taught me to open the frig. just once, after clearing the dinner table. We'd build up a corner on the counter [near the frig.] what was to go into it. That taught me to think ahead.

That economy was not appreciated until now. I cannot waste. Time, energy, money.

On Saturdays, after dusting the house furniture, vacuuming the three story cape, [depending on weather], I was expected to weed the lawn or polish the chrome, before seeing any friends.

Dandolions were loosely piled in a bucket for volume's sake in order to get to my goal faster. Cheating to finish that job, so that I could meet the rest of the kids on the block, taught me something too.

Now, my work ethic is all grown up. I do not cheat, because I never liked the way that left me feeling.

Daddy taught me logic & ethics. Also, he showed me how to build a room from a plan.

My parents never hired help. We were the help.
All of us. We were capable of doing everything and anything. Never considered that we weren't.

My point? I humbly thank my parents for showing me all I'd need to know. True value was not a store. Home depot was our place. CVS is Charity, Values, Spirit.

Someone has bastardized what was ours. That was America!




Nice going, Barack ..... YES WE CAN !!!!
Can what? I believe this is what conservatives have been asking since Obama began his campaign. Change? What and how? Yes we can? Can what and how? Make things better? What and how?

Something besides the old liberal playbook of raising taxes and gving away more things that Santa Claus.

impeachbush, can you tell me how much the lowest tax bracket increases if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire?

I'm about to quit
I have been a Sowell fan for years. I have some of his books and read his columns religiously. But the association may be about to end. Today I clicked on a notaion for a column. Instead of it coming on the screen, a full screen ad for a book was stuck in front of my face. It just sat there, I could do nothing about it. I can tolerate the commercial clutter along the edges of an article, but I will not tolerate having what I want to read be obscurred by a full screen ad, not even ffor five seconds. Sorry Tom it has been a nice relationship.

Ray Smith
Avon, Ohio

Doc5000
Thanks for your sentiment!

Double thanks for your good grammer: "Everyone seems to relax [and] enjoy himself, while HE is there."

Ya don't hear much of grammer these days. Political Correctness messed that up, I suppose.

I cringe when people say, "everyone enjoys themselves"...

Jen and her!@#$%&* instead of: She and Jen.

YOU are correct! Guess ya have to be lower middle class from yesteryear to know that.

Nellie
Thank you. And thank you again for giving me the benefit of the doubt on the missing "and". I edited carelessly.

Barack's Foolishness and Arrogance
See a fool in his folly. Barack is an arrogant, conceited, selfish (as are many fellow Senators and politicians) and rank opportunist who is seeking to deceive the voters. Admittedly, it is not hard to fool ,many of the electorate, especially with the media fawning over Barack and his slick, snake-oil words.

Democrats better wise-up and knock this racist pig and his renegade "pastor" Reverend Jeremiah Wright out of the race, and the sooner the better. Rev. Wright is no more than a false profit who obviously will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Believe it!

Barack the Deceiver
See a fool in his folly. Barack is an arrogant, conceited, selfish (as are many fellow Senators and politicians) and rank opportunist who is seeking to deceive the voters. Admittedly, it is not hard to fool ,many of the electorate, especially with the media fawning over Barack and his slick, snake-oil words.

Democrats better wise-up and knock this racist pig and his renegade "pastor" Reverend Jeremiah Wright out of the race, and the sooner the better. Rev. Wright is no more than a false profit who obviously will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Believe it!

The Emperor has no clothes
Thanks again for shedding light on phoniness Mr. Sowell. Please run for President. I'll work to get votes for you.

another ace
for Sowell. How can people forget? I can't help wondering if the Wright Obama breakup was choreographed for the campaign. Either way, when it’s over, it will be business as usual for both people. (lest we forget it is a business)

Random Events
KINGX writes:
"Is it illogical and unjust that some advocate the so called “entitlement programs” (that those on the political right despise) in order to curtail violent drug trafficking, and economic disillusionment amongst the descendants of the group that economic and cultural wrongs were directed at?"

So how's that curtailing of drug trafficking and economic disillusionment workin' out?

Random Events
Good article except where you discuss Obama's feeling of entitlement. My Mother taught; "the biggest lie is the one you tell yourself" and " the biggest fool is the fool that believes his own lies". Obama has no right to entitlement--his ancestors (Black) were not slaves, in fact , they never left Africa except by choice. His Kenyan father is African, not African-American. Obama spent his formative years in Hawaii, he was born just 20 months before Martin Luther King was assassinated and 7 years after Brown vs the Board of Education. Obama never sat in the balcony at movies, sat in the back of the bus, received his food through the back door of a restaurant, or used a toilet marked "colored". Obama never traveled across America when motels were closed to his color, or swam in a low tide mud hole because the beaches were off limits to his race, or saw his face mirrored in the sunglasses of a prejudiced Southern traffic cop. Obama did experience discrimination by his own hand as he jockied his way into Harvard Law School with his arms tightly wrapped around the political doctrine of Affirmative Action. Obama is a phony but he does not see it--he is a fool standing in front of his mirror believing his own lies.

Random Events
Hello Mr. Sowell: You wrote, in part: "... In the real world, a sense of grievance or entitlement, as a result of the mistreatment of your ancestors, is not likely to get you very far ..."

Yes, I would have to agree with you that we cannot have a sense of grievance for what may have been done to our ancestors. But, I hope you will agree that legitimate current grievances should be addressed.

As you probably know Senator Obama made a big deal about calling for a discussion on race. You may also know that rather than a discussion we have been having a monologue, grievances, mostly real and some imagined from the African American community addressed by the news media, TV, newspapers etc.

However, IMO, grievances from the European American community, (AKA white folks) have not been addressed.

In an effort to have those grievances addressed I have contacted over 50 African American organizations including the NAACP, Urban League etc. and three have responded; Doreen Wade, CEO of The New England Informer, Ms. Sylvia Y. Cyrus, ASALH and another man contacted me and agreed that European Americans should be involved in the race discussion.

A touchy subject for SOME African Americans is the issue of "black on white" crime" in American. It is a serious issue with European Americans willing to face this most serious problem. Will you help open open up the race discussion to include "black on white crime" in America? Thank you.

Respectfully,

Louis Calabro
eaifpresemeritus@aol.com
(650) 312=8284

Random Events
New Look at TH

Please go over to the "New Look at TH" thread and post your opinion. Tell Matt what you think about it.

I personally hate it ...but voice your opinion pro or con.

I think most will feel like I and many others that have complained about it already!

Bash Obama later
after he is nominated. Right now be grateful to him for stopping the megalomaniac duo from squatting a third time in the White House.
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