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Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
An Old Newness
by Thomas Sowell
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Many years ago, a great hitter named Paul Waner was nearing the end of his long career. He entered a ballgame with 2,999 hits -- one hit away from the landmark total of 3,000, which so many hitters want to reach, but which relatively few actually do reach.

Waner hit a ball that the fielder did not handle cleanly but the official scorer called it a hit, making it Waner's 3,000th. Paul Waner then sent word to the official scorer that he did not want that questionable hit to be the one that put him over the top.

The official scorer reversed himself and called it an error. Later Paul Waner got a clean hit for number 3,000.

What reminded me of this is the great fervor that many seem to feel over the prospect of the first black President of the United States.

No doubt it is only a matter of time before there is a black president, just as it was only a matter of time before Paul Waner got his 3,000th hit. The issue is whether we want to reach that landmark so badly that we are willing to overlook how questionably that landmark is reached.

Paul Waner had too much pride to accept a scratch hit. Choosing a President of the United States is a lot more momentous than a baseball record. We the voters need to have far more concern about who we put in that office that holds the destiny of a nation and of generations yet unborn.

There is no reason why someone as arrogant, foolishly clever and ultimately dangerous as Barack Obama should become president -- especially not at a time when the threat of international terrorists with nuclear weapons looms over 300 million Americans.

Many people seem to regard elections as occasions for venting emotions, like cheering for your favorite team or choosing a Homecoming Queen.

The three leading candidates for their party's nomination are being discussed in terms of their demographics -- race, sex and age -- as if that is what the job is about.

One of the painful aspects of studying great catastrophes of the past is discovering how many times people were preoccupied with trivialities when they were teetering on the edge of doom. The demographics of the presidency are far less important than the momentous weight of responsibility that office carries.

Just the power to nominate federal judges to trial courts and appellate courts across the country, including the Supreme Court, can have an enormous impact for decades to come. There is no point feeling outraged by things done by federal judges, if you vote on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them.

Barack Obama has already indicated that he wants judges who make social policy instead of just applying the law. He has already tried to stop young violent criminals from being tried as adults.

Although Senator Obama has presented himself as the candidate of new things -- using the mantra of "change" endlessly -- the cold fact is that virtually everything has says about domestic policy is straight out of the 1960s and virtually everything he says about foreign policy is straight out of the 1930s.

Protecting criminals, attacking business, increasing government spending, promoting a sense of envy and grievance, raising taxes on people who are productive and subsidizing those who are not -- all this is a re-run of the 1960s.

We paid a terrible price for such 1960s notions in the years that followed, in the form of soaring crime rates, double-digit inflation and double-digit unemployment. During the 1960s, ghettoes across the countries were ravaged by riots from which many have not fully recovered to this day.

The violence and destruction were concentrated not where there was the greatest poverty or injustice but where there were the most liberal politicians, promoting grievances and hamstringing the police.

Internationally, the approach that Senator Obama proposes -- including the media magic of meetings between heads of state -- was tried during the 1930s. That approach, in the name of peace, is what led to the most catastrophic war in human history.

Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of history to have heard about it.

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First Comment?
Great article Dr Sowell. I wish we could see it in the NYT so some young liberals could read it.

Great Analogy!
Wow, Dr. Sowell. I am beyond impressed with your analogy of Paul Waner.

If Obama gets to appoint the next three of four Supreme Court judges we are going to see the creation of the American version of the old Soviet Nomenklatura. The people at the top that make the laws and can enforce them will be the ones with the dachas in the Hamptons, Georgetown, and San Francisco. The rest of us will be taxed beyond our means to support the largess of those at the top.

And the press will become the American version of the old Soviet Tass News Agency and dutifully "report" on what the government wants us to hear.

Yes the liberals...
have not had an idea since the 60's, and all of those were bad ideas. We do not need another 'slick" lawyer president. The democrats have just now realized how arrogant and destructive the "slick" lawyer Clintons are (and were). Obama would be a worse president than Jimmy Carter and that is saying something.

Emotions
Well DR. Sowell, people have been voting with emotions and other illogical concerns since the 19th and 24th Amendment. In fact, since the requirement to own property to be able to vote was removed it has gone down hill.

But it really doesn't matter this year who you vote for, they are all the same.

We have one improvement recently.
With the approval of SCOTUS for picture IDs maybe we can reinstate the requirement that you have a pulse in order to vote.

ALL THREE THE SAME
So write in your own vote.

Sowell hits a home run!
"Be very careful what you wish (or vote) for...you just might get it." Finally, someone has characterized the Charlatan from Chicago precisely as what he is....a throwback with no new ideas and with disastrous plans to change things back to far worse that what he criticizes today...Nothing could make a Republican voter out of this lifelong Democrat (me) faster than the likes of Oblahma. No greater threat to our liberty, our future and the future of our children has risen to the national stage in recent memory (if ever). He does not merit the presidency by deeds, by temperment, by character or by the choices he has made thus far in his short neophyte public career...
Sowell is right - it's only a matter of time before a minority is elected president...But THIS rush to annoint a clearly unqualified pretender is a very dangerous exercise in lunacy, for which generations could pay an unimaginable price...
KUDOS to Thomas Sowell for this article...I wish I could afford to have it reprinted in large print on a full-page ad in very newspaper in the American landscape...this kind of truth and wisedome should be read from sea to shining sea....

Thank you Dr Sowell

Thank you Dr Sowell. I echo Road Dog's remark - I hope thi editorial makes it to the NYT, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times.

PS: I mentioned you and Walter Willaims to Gov Doug Wilder the other night. Suggested he might want to Google you and pick up your books. I couldn't halp myself - I think you and Dr Williams are that pursuasive.

On Target
Dr Sowell is dead center on target, virtually always, I'm half way through his book, "Basic Economics" and it is spot-on. Stuff I have known but not been able to articulate very well is clear as a bell in that book, plus I have learned tons that I never knew. This article follows that example and really hits the nail on the head. Love it going to send a link to it to all my friends.

A New Oldness
The actions of Barry Obama as President will be prefaced by the yellow kool-aid drinking liberal establishment and their media talking points, and with Oprah leading the charge and Michelle, finally, after all these years proud because according to their preacher the 9/11 chickens have come home to roost (he got that quote from Malcolm X) we would be left with some disastrous
results if we don't pay attention.
Even with Hillary and John McCain, world leadership is looking at us, like children at the playground. They're salivating to see how much they can get away and how far they'll go whilst mummsy wummsy & daddsy waddsy is not looking, and talking to the other parents.
Barry's "hope and change" rhetoric are usually justified and prefaced by his followers with the following:
"We live in the richest country in the world but"

"We can get tanks and troops into Iraq or anywhere in the world in less than 24 hrs., but we couldn't get emergency equipment into the Ninth Ward".

And my personal favourite:
"We're a nation of Immigrants but"
There are many more, however with terrorism barking up the Western tree in the form of Islamist radicals and footbaths already in American Airports, plus Muslim Congressmen. It would be nice to vote in a Black President in my lifetime, however I could wait till 2012 and vote in a great Black President in Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams or Condeleeza Rice or Michael Steele.

A New Oldness
The actions of Barry Obama as President will be prefaced by the yellow kool-aid drinking liberal establishment and their media talking points, and with Oprah leading the charge and Michelle, finally, after all these years proud because according to their preacher the 9/11 chickens have come home to roost (he got that quote from Malcolm X) we would be left with some disastrous
results if we don't pay attention.
Even with Hillary and John McCain, world leadership is looking at us, like children at the playground. They're salivating to see how much they can get away and how far they'll go whilst mummsy wummsy & daddsy waddsy is not looking, and talking to the other parents.
Barry's "hope and change" rhetoric are usually justified and prefaced by his followers with the following:
"We live in the richest country in the world but"

"We can get tanks and troops into Iraq or anywhere in the world in less than 24 hrs., but we couldn't get emergency equipment into the Ninth Ward".

And my personal favourite:
"We're a nation of Immigrants but"
There are many more, however with terrorism barking up the Western tree in the form of Islamist radicals and footbaths already in American Airports, plus Muslim Congressmen. It would be nice to vote in a Black President in my lifetime, however I could wait till 2012 and vote in a great Black President in Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams or Condeleeza Rice or Michael Steele.

Youth Vote
What good is a youth vote if it is uninformed.

The pandering to the youth vote is a waste of time. Too often our society speaks of the inexperience of youth; the immaturity of youth; the irresponsibility of youth; how youth is squandered on the younger generation.

These and other statements invoke an understanding of the inability as of yet, to rationally make decisions of conscience when no life experience has been attained.

No wonder Obama wants them to vote, they're too young, inexperienced and stupid to logically look at his record, his affiliations, his lies.


Well Said And On Target Dr. Sowell.
Don't think we'll get an Amen from "Rev" Wright, however.

But let's see what we have here.

The Democrats have a selected a radical, far left candidate and problems have surfaced. No surprise there. Hillary, also a very liberal candidate, has a slim chance of changing this. Even if she does, the party would split and a bigger mess would result. Troubles and more troubles.

In the meantime, the Good Ship McCain stays on a smooth course. Just "right of center"! And what about those other two ships sailing in the
night? Those "left of center" ships. The ones both off course. Sorry, Robert. It's bad news for you. Good news for America.




The race thing
And just as Elton John came here and called Americans, basically, a bunch of women haters (because his beloved Hillary has fallen on tough times), when Obama gets his clock cleaned by McCain in Novemeber, the rest of the world will be calling us a nation racists. Makes me wonder if we're the only people with any sense.

OBAMA IS NOT BLACK
What is with everyone continuing to call Obama a black man? He is not black any more than he is white. This racism thing is ridiculous. Obama pretending to be only black, the black population pretending he is black, and the media pretending he is black. He is just as much white as black. By playing the race card of being black Obama has all the PC people out in numbers to get a "black" man elected.

The only thing we should be discussing about Obama is not the color of his skin, but that he is an extreme left wing liberal and his policies will ruin America worse than anything Bush has done.

Glenn
I couldn't agree with your post, more. Thank you for pointing to the obvious and reminding us of the ridiculous nature of the "race" issue.

I will be certain to make this point in conversation to drive it home.

Sometimes we don't see what's right in front of us.

He's not black; he's not white; but his policies sure are.

Outrage over federal judges
"There is no point feeling outraged by things done by federal judges, if you vote on the basis of emotion for those who appoint them."

This is true, of course, but the people voting for Obama are not the same people who are likely to be outraged by activist judges. They probably like social engineering, because their movie stars that they follow tell them to.

They all get one vote each, just as we do. The consequences of their choices will affect us just as deeply as it affects them. And if we have to go through a great deal of pain and loss to straighten our country out after it is weakened by decisions made by Obama (or Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Edwards or whoever the next liberal candidate is), those voters will probably never admit that the troubles came from anything they ever did. If they were capable of that sort of discernment, they wouldn't be acting the way they are now.

Mr. Chatfield
It never ceases to amaze me that so few people pick up on the bi-racial make-up of our first "black" candidate. I find it rather ironic that after approximately 200 years of complaining from Black folks about those who try to "pass" as white, we now have a 1/2 white man who is trying to "pass" as black.
Your comments were right on the money.

Change in perspective
Once again, thank you for stating simple truths in your column.

"Everything seems new to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of history to have heard about it."

I remember the 60s and I am an avid reader of history. The more things 'change'...

Also, my thoughts on voting 'as an older woman':

I wonder often why women are not more concerned that Hillary Clinton become the first woman president. She will do more to harm the cause of women's capability to hold office than she will help. I will wait for a woman who will make me proud before I will vote for "one of my kind".

Excellent
Enough Said.

reality
You don't need Sowell to push the cause USA is probally the most racist country in the world, then spensd much of it's time fronting.Baraack was follish to believe this country had changed since the sixties. Rev Wright speaks it the White Americans do it every time. Well done Rev. Wright, you have hit the nail on the head in such a way that only thing for White America to do is make you seem like your crazy great job USA. The wolf in sheeps clothing.

reality
You don't need Sowell to push the cause USA is probally the most racist country in the world, then spensd much of it's time fronting.Baraack was follish to believe this country had changed since the sixties. Rev Wright speaks it the White Americans do it every time. Well done Rev. Wright, you have hit the nail on the head in such a way that only thing for White America to do is make you seem like your crazy great job USA. The wolf in sheeps clothing.

Barack Obama will not enter...
...the White House,except as part of a group of tourists.Some day this country will elect a black president,but this is not the one.And some day they will elect a female president,but Hillary is not the one.But I'll say this for the both of them:They were trail blazers.

Barak Obama is an immigrant, not a black
Barak Obama is an immigrant, not a Black. Huge difference. Blacks are the legacy of slaves, Obama is an immigrant who has black skin.

If he wins, it won't be a "cheap hit," but another example of the foolish belief that America has some special "manifest destiny." That someone we are great, but nobody knows why. That somehow things need to get fixed, but nobody will admit its broken. And, of course, whatever may be broken is always somebody else's fault.

Mr. Sowell, in typical Orwellian fashion, has declared that peace is only possible through war, and that nations will never live in peace by resorting to the outrageous tactic of diplomacy. Perhaps Mr. Sowell should stick to archaic baseball facts, which he seems to know best. If Obama is faux presidential material, then Mr. Sowell is a faux intellectual.

Well let's take it slowly....
The only thing more dangerous than electing a man because he is an African American who will take us in a more wrong headed direction would be to elect a woman for the same reason.

We can ill afford an inexperienced president at this time or any time but a corrupt president as the Clintons have proved themselves to be, would be worse.

I don't agree with Obama's politics but I think he has provided this nation with a great service. He allowed an alternative to the Clinton Dynasty of corruption. No small accomplishment.

fradycat I have had the same experience
Couldn't agree more. I first read a book by Thomas Sowell ten or so years ago when I had no idea who he was. I was shocked that it read so clearly and made so much sense of an issue, in that case the problems with American public school education. I subsequently started buying all of his books and giving them to my two adult sons to read. His body of work is both extensive and impressive. Often times I find myself feeling he is articulating what many of us feel and think about but lack the ability to pull together honestly and directly for ourselves. A great gift.

Hooray for you, Dr. Sowell
You hit the nail right on the head with your following line:"Many people seem to regard elections as occasions for venting emotions, like cheering for your favorite team or choosing a Homecoming Queen."

Our election process has become a most "high schoolish" project. Americans, for the most part, are easily duped!


sticky
You have just demonstrated the intelligence and world awareness of Obama voters very well. Thank you.

Presidential Candidates
I agree that Senator Obama should not be president, but I also add to my list Hilliary Clinton and John McCain.
Hilliary is a product of the School of Socialism and John McCain is a product of the School of one world government.
We need someone who, when they take the oath of office will actually swear to Uphold the Constitution of the U.S. As neither of the three above mentioned will do that.
As I firmly believe it doesn't really matter who of the three is elected, this country will suffer tremendously.

impeachbush
Chanting those mindnumbing brainwashing diddies won't make you hatred for Bush justified.

When Hitler rose to power and began to build a military and violate his peace agreement, liberals like Obama "talked" and appeased... that's what Sowell was talking about when he said his foreign policy came out of the 1930's. When Saddam whose political ideology descended directly from Nazism began to violate ceasefire terms and attempt to build a threatening military, Bush took action.

So I guess the value judgment you should be making is which war is preferrable... Iraq or WWII?

Worst President? You obviously aren't old enough to remember Carter, are you? Of course most of our country's debt and social malaisse can be directly traced to the policies of LBJ and 1960's liberals... so you could say he was the worst.

Bush has been very disappointing. His "opportunity society" ideas that he ran on would have been great had all his political capital not gone to fighting terrorism... and their Democratic allies.

Is it not interesting that Dems give virtually no ideas for improving the war on terror? That leaves us with two basic conclusions: they are playing cynical political games or they are disappointed that his methods are making a difference.

Rondak
I am probably going to vote third party myself... but one of these clowns is going to win. Obama would endanger the country. McCain would destroy the GOP and possibly the conservative movement along with it.

While the idea of President Hillary is repugnant to me, she may pose the least long term damage for the country of the three.

Cost-Benefit
The benefits that having a black president in this country would produce are far outweighed by the costs taht would be imposed by Barack Hus-Change Obama.

The only benefit of having a black man in the White House over a white man is that it can be used as evidence that White America isn't inherently racist. Even if there is a complete absence of evidence to that effect already (which isn't true) that benefit is limited.

Most of the costs that Obama will impose are detailed by Dr. Sowell in the article. Wellfare, crime, and taxes will increase dramatically, the economy and national morale will decrease. What's worse is that Obama has stated that he wants to slash military spending and do away with any R&D spending on new "unproven" (his word) weapons systems (never mind that there isn't a military concept in existence that was not "unproven" at one time or another.) His Utopian "Let's talk to the terrorists and give them what they want and they'll leave us alone" view is about as dangerously naive as anyone can be.

We need to change...
the age a person is eligible to become POTUS. I think 65 would be a much better choice. The President would still have strength to do the job but we would not have to suffer through decades of wondering what the former POTUS (Carter and Clinton come to mind) is up to. Not every ex-President will be a RWR but we can shorten the time of their retirement by changing the age of eligibility.

Ignore Impeachbush
Please just ignore this idiot. he come on every day with the same nonsense no matter what the article says.

His Bush Derangement syndrome is fatal.

Bubba

Wright and Obama
Names linked so close together you can't think of one without the other. I keep waiting for Wright to announce he's been hired by MSNBC. Keith Olbermann and Jeremiah Wright. There's two people made for each other.

Maybe William Ayers could come on board with Wright and Olbermann. They could hold a joint press conference and go out on the campaign trail.

The Friends of Obama Tour. Staring Little Keithy, The Bombastic One and The Weatherman.

What the liberal arts SHOULD be..
As a teacher at a liberal arts college, I frequently hear comments about integrating knowledge. Sowell is the master. Just yesterday, a colleague reminded me of a Sowellism of reasoning. "And then what?"
I suspect Obama is our next president. If so, we are about to get a very painful lesson that would have been avoided had we heeded Santayana's, and Sowell's warning.
For those who haven't read Sowell's autobiography, or his Man of Letters, I strongly recommend doing so. His is a life of a man who had the audacity to hope people would be open to reason.

Obama Black/White
Obama will not mention his white blood unless he can get some political help from it like he tried in Kansas.

He chose to be black in spite of being raised, feed, housed and educated by his white family. His balck daddy ran off and left him. His Daddy saw him once after he deserterd him.

In spite of that Obama chose to be black and embraced the hate whitey, black's are put down mantra of Wright, Jackson, Sharpeton and Farrakhan.

He did that so he could be a black politician, just like he embraced William Ayers so he could get the radical blessing.

He is simply Jessie Jackson who can speak better but is smoother and more dangerous.




Dr.Sowell
According to a well known American writer,there has been 5 black presidents heretofore.This being the case,it would make Mr.Obama number 6,if he should win.I don't think you can have two number ones.Can you?When the conservatives make these type references,what is the purpose?Never is there any discussion in regards to how women and minorities were systematically excluded from even being eligible.Blacks had to pretend to be white,just to exercise their constitutional rights.What an "Indignity".Sad...

Our only hope for a futurre in America
T. Sowell is right on target. Some day America will have a black President, but now is not the time with Obama who is so far left he leaves everyone who hears him in shame for voting him in as a candidate. Voters who say they will vote for anyone other then the three candidates is playing right into Obama and Hillarys hand. They want to take your vote away from McCain even if you don't vote for them. This way McCain has a better chance of losing and it increases their chance of winning. America is at a crossroad and we need to protect it and the only way to do that is open our eyes and see what each of these candidates stands for. McCain is not our best choice, he is America's only choice, also we need to get the Democrats out of Congress or we fail to accomplish our goal of saving what little freedom we have left.
Joy of Iowa

Can it happen here?
Thanks for the article. Wish I could be as succinct.

I used to think the USA could not be governed by a mad man like Hitler. I was wrong.

My wife, a European who lived through that era, disagreed. She said that there are too many people who are too lazy to spend the energy to investigate facts and too emotional to make value decisions. She told me the German people are educated, opinionated and dogmatic.

Yet enough of them willingly followed a charismatic politician who sincerely believed he could make the world a better place by eliminating those he deemed inferior. Hitler is dismissed as a mad man but he was not. He was driven by principles but principles that lacked a foundation in human dignity.

He was smart enough to understand that money and power are the route to achieving absolute control. And absolute control was necessary to achieve his agenda.

Hitler rose to power by promising CHANGE and a better world. It is a promise that rings true today. It is a promise that we all want. We all want a better world with peace and prosperity for everyone.

But we all have a responsibility to investigate whether the politician making the beautiful promises is credible. Does he have the background and logic to substantiate his claims? What are his accomplishments? Who are his friends, his supporters and advisers? Do his beliefs stand the test of time?

Hitler had no track record. He came with promises but no record. He came to a people that had been raped by debt caused by WWI. They wanted and needed CHANGE. But the change promised to them was devastating change, not the beautiful world promised.

Can it happen here? Look around at the thousands of people making emotional, uninformed decisions and tell me I am wrong.

Obama and Howard Dean
Hillary and Obama -- and this is the best the Democrats can offer?

Howard Dean has used every tactic to undermine Bush with the ambitious goal to regain the Whitehouse.

The Democrats have undermined Bush's legilative agenda -- such as the correction of the growing Social Security fiasco. They have undermined the war effort in Iraq and traitoriouly encouraged our enemies both in Arabia and in Iran. They have delayed the slelction of judges.

And now Clinton may be sacrificed on the alter of popularism so that Obama and his cast of Black Nationalist elites may occupy the Lincoln bedroom -- all this done so screaming Howard Dean may satisfy his far left dream to emulate the social and political debacle evident in his State of Vermont to bring this nation to the brink of disaster.

Racist? Sexist?
Happy Jake,
Just because someone makes an accusation, is the allegation true?
Somebody who says we are a racist or sexist nation if we don't vote for a black man or a woman is making an unsupportable assumption, transfering their own feeings to others.
The impending accusation of racism and sexism is clearly intended to pre-emptively bully people into voting the way the accuser wants.
The racist and sexist epithets are recklessly tossed about so often that people have become immune to the false charges, and most folks see the true identity and agenda of the accuser.
Unqualified and dangerous candidates don't get my
support, be it on the local, state, or national levels.

Obama isn't new, he's Redux.
What I wish Mr.Sowell, for whom I have much respect, would try to explain is why so many black Americans can't get past his skin color and support a man? who went to private prep schools in Hawaii and then went on to the Ivy League where he blossomed into an ultra-elitist Marxist who has nothing to do with the life experience of 99 percent of Americans of any color. Does his rhetoric and posturing come across more realistically than John Kerry's "can ah git me a gun" 'round here????

The most racist country in the world???
Sticky,

If you are going to comment on an article, why not "stick" to the issues addressed in the article.

(Your assertion that the US is the most racist country in the world suggests that you haven't ever travelled abroad, have never read a word of history, and more than likely never graduated from high school.)

killer writes:
"According to a well known American writer,there has been 5 black presidents heretofore."

And who might THAT be, "killer"?

There is well known American Muslim preacher who believes in space aliens, too. (look it up).

A "well known American writer?"
Killer,

Just who might that well known American writer be? And who are the "at least 5" black presidents?

Who ever the "well known" writer might be, he (or she) is also a complete idiot. All kinds of assertions have been made about all kinds of Presidents by all kinds of people.

Doesn't make them true, does it now?

Sticky
Let me guess...democrat? Your genius gives you away.

obama
What do you suppose the press and the libs would say if Obama was the republican nominee,and attended Bob Jones university.Had as friends Tom Delay,and Pat Robertson.

Forget 3,000 hits Dr. Sowell
You just hit the equivalent of 3 grand slams with one swat. Obama is not the right black as Hi-liar-y is not the right woman and McCain is not the right maverick. But as Americans led by the media have constantly belittled our statesman into the common pot of politicians we have self-fulfilled our own prophecy with the ultimate (slightly altered)lesser of three evils.

When we stop letting the media tell us that Americans are bad, Americans are hated, our soldiers are bad but our criminals are misunderstood, that George Bush is evil but Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi are OK, that Christians are a bigger terrorist than Islamists, that illegals are not doing anything wrong and killing babies is just a necessary freedom then we can get our government back. Let's start with Congress. Remove all dims and rinos now.

Already Said
It has been stated above already, and I agree none of the three, bHussein Obama, Hitlary, or McShamesty will uphold the US Constitution nor will any of them uphold their sworn oath to uphold the laws of the United States. I will vote for none of these frauds and traitors to do so would put me on a level with those three. The Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party will get my vote. Bob Barr is going to be a candidate, and there are others that now give me a choice with my vote. Long live America and the US Constitution.

impeachbush
Looks like your moniker isn't working out too well for you.

A Dem majority in both houses and still no articles of impeachment.

Any chance you'll move to a different country if Bush isn't impeached?

impeach anti-Bush losers
Why don't you just admit we had it right with Clintons and you airheads led around by moveon/kos have tried to make it up to them. I would rather be arrogant (which is an unbelievable thought with so much rational debate - but on the other hand is quite predicable from a moveon koolaid head) then a mind numb minion.

Idealistic Youth Vote
It's reckless to give so much power and influence to a group in our society such as the "Youth Vote". I can't help but think that a lot of these "youth voters" are still being cared for by mommy and daddy or Uncle Sam. Character and logic develops over a lifetime through, education and career choices, being a parent, losing a parent, preparing for retirement, coping as a family through tough times or getting back on your feet after a longterm illness.

These young people don't care about the lessons of history because in their self-centered world, they ARE history. These college-aged voters, for the most part, are idealistic and they lap up the mantra of the far-left. I am deeply troubled how this group of voters believe that they have all the answers when they haven't even taken the whole test called LIFE.

We have a blind date with ...
destiny .... and it looks like she's ordered the lobster.

The Shoveller

Reality Check #101
This is a WAKE UP reality check for all voters and a must pass around TO FRIENDS AND FOES . Thomas Sowell always gets a base hit with his reason and Common sense based thinking . This article is spot on . His review of recent own History is scary but ("For Real" as a few say ) need we forget .
As we said long ago when I played a little BaseBall ."This is 4 Bagger"with the based loaded .
Thomas Sowell sure makes us miss the old grass roots Democratic party Vs RePublican party .
Democrats of high statue that pushed hard work not welfare who were much aware of our enemies , believed in low taxes , personal responsibility , Individualism , like Harry Truman , John Kennedy and Henry 'Scoop' Jackson .
This sad year out of 312 Million citizens .We have two far lefties that are 100+ 100 % Liberals ... running against a 20 % Conservative , 20 % RePublican, 20 % Liberal and a
20 % ??? ! Go Figure ?

Impeachbush
1) GWB is not going to be impeached. Not now. Not ever. He has done NOTHING impeachable. Save the froth - you spitting "LIAR" or "WARMONGER" does not make it TRUE. Loud, perhaps, but not true. Repeating a lie does not make it true for people who actually THINK.

2) You, and the other slobbering, foam at the mouth sufferers of BDS are not going to change this. Period. End. In a term that I now dislike as it was used to excuse the second worst inhabitant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue - Move On.

3) The WORST inhabitant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has not ever met a murdering dictator he didn't want to give a nice, big, wet kiss. Cahtah is the stepfather of modern terrorism, and is furthering the cause of international terrorism every day.

4) Lie down. You are expending too much of your already insufficient supply of coherant thoughts trying to type.

I blame you Dr. Sowell
This wouldn't be an issue if you and/or Dr. Williams would have run. That is how I would want to reach that historic mark.

Sowell/Williams in '12!

The weekly radio address could just be your random thoughts. Maybe more than 4 people would listen.

Hello Impeachbush
In your zeal to toss out names it appears as though you forgot one. You overlooked the Godfather, Rush Limbaugh.

Tibby

REPRISE NEEDED
Please, Dr. Sowell continue to write over and over these literate factual articles emphasizing ultimately what marxist/socialism really is and how the Democrat party and their media/Hollywood liberal friends are indoctrinating the USA (especially the youth) into the easy life of irresponsibility. ie. Nothing is caused by their own actions and the government (in reality the taxpayers) owes them more than "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." If repetition is the mother of learning, we need the introspective brilliance of Dr. Sowell to focus on important issues for our country (not which Hollywood star is sleeping with whom, voting for an American Idol singer or other inane garbage that many of our citizens focus on because of media promotion of negative values). Our country deserves respect for all our great accomplishments and our ongoing altruistic value system. Let's not let anyone tear it down with socialism and other failed ideas. Beware! At least with Barack, Hillary, Bob Barr, Ron Paul you know you are getting enhanced marxist attempts at changing our successful constitutional government. God Bless Dr. Sowell and his magnificent insightful written words!

Putting Rev Wright aside,
I am very worried by the bill Obama has sponsored regarding what could potentially result in giving .07 of our national income to the United Nations for poverty. The bill is deliberately vague regarding costs. This makes me concerned if Obama does become the president because it is a sample of how he does business.

The Poverty Act has passed the house because representatives didn't really read it for details. Contact your senator telling him/her to defeat it.

Impeachbush
You are an ignorant piece of trash that wouldn't know syllogism if it punched you in the face. Your reasoning is what most experts would classify as "retarded" and you add nothing whatsoever to any of these conversations. Leave and never come back.

Bush isn't even the worst president of the last three decades let alone the history of the nation. He has done absolutely NOTHING that would be considered an impeachable offense.

Obama and the Communist Party
Suspicions confirmed! The Communist Party has endorsed Obama ... but I'm sure the party would be just as pleased with Hillary.

Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams are brilliant and I would vote for either in a heartbeat. If only America could elect a president in the likeness of these great Americans.

WiseChick

Another Home run
Electing B. Hussein Obama (elitist Marxist) would be an Obamanation. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, then libs have to be insane, because they recycle socialsim (which has always failed in every country in which it was tried) and expect a utopia. Does that make sense? If you said "yes", well then...........

Worst President
Those of you on the left who clearly have BDS also have a one track song. That song is "Bush is the worst president ever because of the war on Terror (or more specifically, invading Iraq)". You are either too young to remember the late 70s and President Carter or too absorbed in your leftist socialism to really see what is worse. We had an embassy in Iran overrun and those Americans inside held as hostages for 444 days. Our president and our nation was too weak to do anything about it, and our enemies knew it (which is why the hostages were taken in the first place). We had double digit inflation, double digit unemployment, and no national pride. America under President Bush has maintained unemployment and inflation around 4%. Mortgages can be had for less than 6% while mortgage rates during that time exceeded 10%.
President Carter negotiated with rogue nations and signed treaties that were then ignored. He never met a dictator that he didn't support.

Am I a Bush lover? No. I am glad he was president on September 11, 2001 rather than Al Gore; but he has done or supported many things that I don't approve of. Most of those are things that were actual pandering or appeasment to the left and yet the left still hates him.

Thomas Sowell is completely correct in his assessment of Barack Obama. All his "change" is rehash of failed socialist policies of the 60s. They didn't work then and won't work now. Higher taxes in the face of a recession is stupid. Income redistribution by taking from those that produce and giving it to those who don't is stupid.

Oh and by the way, the President doesn't have the power to tax. That power rests with the legislature. The president can recommend tax increases or decreases and try to encourage Congress to go along with his policies.

Prius54&Othrs
Dr.Leroy Vaughn is the writers name.I know,you want the names of the Presidents as well.I Know!

impeachbush
Do you even comprehend the difference between the executive and legislative branches of our government?

You want to impeach Bush (do you know what that word means?), yet you don't understand our government, our laws, or basically anything else in the country?

Go away.

impeachbush
So you really think the government is responsible for the price of gas, instead of Peak Oil being responsible?

Amen Dr Sowell
Another home run article by Dr. Sowell.

impeachbush
You are a complete idiot with an obsession of Bush hatred shared by so many deranged liberals. You make accusations and bring up names, but you have nothing to back up your arguments. Please name the high crimes and misdemeanors Bush for which Bush is guilty (based on the constitution, not the one's in your own narrow mind. No imaginary crimes, but provable ones).

impeachbush
Republicans wouldn't have run Gore out of Washington - a week after 9-11 there wouldn't have been a Washington. That bloated, tree-hugging, hippie waste of oxygen would probably have blamed the towers crumbling on global warming and then hugged it out with Al Queida.

Go away.

Impeach Bush
I would respond to you, but it is clear that you are merely a phuquing idiot. Enjoy the next nine months while Madame Pelosi and her merry band do absolutely nothing to impeach Bush.

LOL
Impeachbush reminds me of some of my special ed kids. They come up with these crazy ideas that that repeat ad nauseum and then they ignore any advice or instruction to be rational.

History on our side.

America has never elected a true socialist to the highest ofice in the land...

...and Barack Obama is a true socialist.

IMpeachbush
Wow! That is a nice, well-reasoned article with no slant. Thanks so much for sharing.

I looked up Sherwood Ross. He has a page called thesmirkingchimp.com with a picture of GWB on it.
Good source.

Hey, if GWB is as smart as a chimp, why did he get better grades than Kerry?

impeachbush
why don't you call your girl N. Pelosi? Better, apply for a job at Comedy Central.

I apologize...
I wasn't aware that George Bush was a "destroyer of worlds." Is that what really happened to Pluto? Was he that guy to told the Death Star to fire?

I guess my opinion of him has to change now. Your strict adherence to reason has swayed me.

Is it just me?
Has anyone else noticed the drastic drop-off in the quality of debate effort among our lib posters? I know it’s difficult to argue from a position that defies commonsense and flies in the face of history and logic…..but at least the libs used to somewhat try.

But take a look at the liberal comments on this column...they don’t even try to address the article; they post 4-5 year old BDS talking points, or just completely make things up.

As demonstrated on this thread several times, it’s extremely easy to point out the holes in the lib comments and they often just slink away...but there’s just no enjoyment in it when the contest is so inequitable.

Do the liberal posts represented here truly characterize what’s considered “debate” on the American left?

Sherwood Ross
I remember when Red Rider wrote that song about Sherwood. "Lunatic Fringe"

bush
"The president must also be impeached for the mass roundup and arrest of foreigners living in the United States"

I was wondering why my neighborhood was so quiet.

"Even though he is not a king, George W. Bush conducts himself as one"

Oh, I thought he had to leave office on Jan 20, 2009. Don't kings stay till death?

"for lowering a shroud of secrecy over the operations of the U.S. government"

Is this like the cone of silence in "Get Smart"?

On Logic and Liberals
I the discipline of logic, there are strict and objective truths and fallacies. It is remarkably similar to math, which also has objective truths and fallacies (2+2=4 - you can't argue that). Liberals are terrified of logic because their arguments are all based on fallacies. That is why liberals never answer questions. They also rarely come up with their own original thoughts, instead regurgitating what others have said or written, believing that there really is "safety in numbers." What they fail to remember is that regurgitated garbage is nothing more than vomit, which is really a complimentary word to use when talking about they way they think.

impeachbush
i wonder if impeachbush is talking to the secret service now?

Icedog
Debate efforts? I can practically visualize the spit flying from impeachbush as he types, or pastes.

STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!!
All you civil minded people, PLEASE GET A CLUE!!! There are certain element that come to TH and apparently have no joy in life other than to raise the ire of normally sensible people. Stop addressing hewhoshallnotbenamed and leave him in the virtual corner he deserves. Scroll past the screeds. Spread a little Preporation H on the roid and be done with it.

I don't recall who said this but they are words we would all do well to remember:

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level then beat you with experience."

ImpeachBush
Were you born Stupid?

Is your whole family Stupid or is it just You?


Impeach
"Gotta do an errand. I'm sure you will all miss me!"

Okay, please tell Will hello for us.

Mirefox and Co.
I realize the Rush Limbaugh style of characterizing one's opponents not as incorrect, but some how fundamentally dysfunctional, is in fashion these days, but do you realize that for the last hour this thread has consisted of nothing but self-congratulatory dumping on impeachbush?
Yes, impeachbush is a terrible debater, and comes across as somewhat dumb. Your incredibly smug generalization about logic, however, is even more pointless. At least impeachbush can make an assertion and try (albeit through quoting someone else's argument) to back it up.

Stop patting yourself on the back for being smarter than one deranged fanatic with no social skills. It doesn't make conservatism correct.

the oblahma
why is it his defenders twist themselves in knots defending the emptiness of the oblahma campaign.

It would seem that if he were such a strong candidate running on substantial issues the campaign would not need defending but his ideas could stand on their own merit.

But after 15 months the oblahma is still spouting the same nonsense he started with. His opening message of hope and change initially inspiring has not changed or been fleshed out.

But as is typical of the new new mantra, it remains trust me with your votes and I will supply the details after I am sworn into office.

But the public fell for that line of dribble when they put pelosis and reid into leadership roles and we have seen the disaster these two twits have been.

There is no denying the repubs messed up while they were in charge but pelosis and reid have done even worse. Despite their empty promises of change and grfeat results they have been even worse in getting congress to do anything other than pass meaningless legislation and enable tyhe pork to increase.

With the oblahma and his promises of more spending and increased taxes there is nothing to be optimistic about should the dims run all three parts of the govt

Funny AZPhil
It was "do" and not "run". I'll bet you're right!

Hillary is far more dangerous
If Hillary gets the nomination she will become president and she is far more dangerous than Obama. She will teach you what and evil dictator can do.

It appears liberals on TH are ...
bound to go from one extreme to the other. Either we have the deranged hewhoshallnotbenamed (posting on TH nearly all morning) or we have the smug Nyarlathotep. Funny, but I never thought that to be one of the characteristics of The Crawling Chaos. I always thought of your character as kind of mystical chicken little. My how you've transformed!

An Old Newness
I intensely dislike the Clintons but Obama scares the hell out of me!
Dr. Tom Mote, USAF Combat Crew Member, Retired

ex-Wyomingite
I think AZPhil is making a connection the BDS guy and Will, our resident Dr. Adams stogger (stalking-blogger). Will just plain outted himself, as if anyone cares, but as for BDS-man, it's pure speculation. It may just be a secret indulgence of his that he keeps under wraps.

The first black president
I agree with Dr. Sowell.... Many are too anxious to elect the first black president. I just we had a better black candidate...e.g. Colin Powell, Dr. Sowell, etc.

Likewise, many are too anxious to select the first female president. Again...not much of a choice here either.

Although John McCain is not my ideal candidate...and many feel he is too old, we should be patient not to rush into the "FIRST black or female president."

We need divine guidance on this election.... Please vote what is best for America...NOT what will be a Historical event.

It is really amazing
how many people believe that Hussein will reduce the price of gasoline by imposing additional taxes on the oil companies, considering that WE THE PEOPLE PAY ALL TAXES, and that all those new taxes would be added to the price of gasoline.
How stupid can you get?

FROG
I wasn't aware that we were required to be in character.

Sorry; I meant to say, "Ribbit, ribbit croak ribbit."

Incidentally, I'd characterize the Big N more as a Pied Piper than a Chicken Little, but it's nice to be recognized all the same.

Ron
(1) Did Obama actually propose this? Is there a school of economics that holds that additional taxation will make goods cheaper?
If he didn't, do people believe it anyway, or are you just making things up?

(2) Why the constant references to "Hussein?" Some kind of "Don't Elect the A-rab" campaign?

Impeachbush
You make me laugh.

So basically you are saying Bush is guilty of protecting this nation against its enemies. Something that Bill Clinton failed to do and certainly something Obama or Hillary will fail to do.

I recall FDR's mass round up the Japanese (one's who were US citizens no less) after Pearl Harbor. I guess he should have been impeached.

Obama's "Personal Responsibility"
What a great country.

I constantly try to educate conservatives on Town Hall about "Social Structure" and how it affects the arc of the individual. Town Haller's will have none of it, of course.

Instead, Town Hallers insist that anyone can be anything they want to be, regardless of barriers in their way, if only the take "Personal Responsibility for their Lives" and have gumption, initiative, yata, yata.

Here we have a man in Obama who has taken "Personal Responsibility for his Life" and made the most of his opportunities without any help from anyone (as conservatives profess to believe is how the world works) and now stands a hairbreadth away from the greatest, most powerful position in the whole world, and he did it all himself.

But wait, suddenly conservatives are talking out of the other side of their mouths. Obama didn't do it all himself. His taking "Personal Responsibility for his Life" doesn't mean anything, didn't result in anything.

"America gave Barack and Michelle everything that they have." It wasn't them at all, after all,everything they have was given to them, by America.

That's talking out of both sides of your mouths, conservatives.

If you don' t you're racist
'If you don't vote for Sen. Obama you're racist' is just exactly what the good senator is counting on to get elected. That was obvious from the interview on Oprah with Michelle and Oprah discussing his eminent danger simply by being a black man in America. That was the set up. The senator has used it ever since. Disagree with him or ask a question he doesn't want to answer or is incapable of anwering and your picking on the black man. Question his ability to unite and you're told he is the best person for the job because he is both black and white and therefore understands both sides as no white candidate could. The racists in this election are not the voters who will not vote for Sen. Obama. The racists are the senator, his wife, and friends.

Call me racist all you want, but I will not vote for a man whose agenda will set race relations in America back to the 50's. We've come too far to ever accept that again.

We are we ignorant?
What makes so many Americans ignorant? Is it a failed education system? Is it apathy? I think it could be self absorbsion. This generation of mine makes me sick sometimes.

I wonder...it seems like it is in the interest of the ignorant ones in power (i.e. Barack) to keep the rest of Americans ignorant too. It is real 1984 stuff.

Like Ravi Zacharias says, "the only thing worse than nostalgia, is amnesia."

Wyoming
"AZPhil writes: Tuesday, April, 29, 2008 11:40 AM

"Okay, please tell Will hello for us."

AZPhil, buddy! Do you KNOW something you're not telling the rest of us?"

Nope; mere speculation.

"America" as cause
The second thing I try to educate conservatives about is that their notion of cause and effect is all screwed up.

If you maintain that people born in or who immigrate to America have a special opportunity that no people in any other country has, because of our freedom, capitalism, spirit, what have you, then you are stating a principle of cause and effect which says that individuals in America are helped by circumstances outside of themselves, by forces outside of their own efforts.

Someone in another country who takes "Personal Responsibility for their Lives" cannot therefore be all that they could be if they were, by comparison, in America.

Logically, then, individuals in America who take "Personal Responsibility for their own Lives" may be effected by variations WITHIN America and what they can be is not wholly determined by their own efforts.

Once we realize that, our next step is to determine the presence, strength and direction of these variations on individual Americans.

Conservatives can't get that they are confused about this easy and logical concept.

The reason.......
BHO chose his identity....His mother and father left him/weren't around and was raised by his grandmother. He felt kinda like a victim of life's circumstances so he identified with the culture of self percieved victims. This inner victim thing was constantly bolstered by the radicals both black and white that he hung around with. And, so he is today. Even his wife identifies herself as a victim of the white culture at Princeton. At least that is the way it seemed to me when I read her Senior Thesis. They make quite a pair......the poor kids. They are already victims and don't know it yet. But not to worry. I am sure that reverend WRONG will enlighten them.

Nyarlathotep ...
on the ribbet ribbet ....touche'

impeachbush
Wow, you've got the most severe and simultaneously comical case of BDS I think I've seen at TH.

Please keep posting, buddy. My sides hurt from laughter, but I figure I've gotten the equivalent of 100 sit-ups out of your maniacal drivel.

btw, I think you are becoming increasingly whiney as you see the Obaminator and Shrillary slowly but surely snatch defeat from what you just knew was the certain jaws of victory in November.

Obama the Unknown
Obama is wrong on the issues and his race is irrelevant. But what is relevant is that after a long campaign, the American public is finally realizing that they know very little about Obama, his past, his associates, and his clverly hidden beliefs. Every time that we learn something new about the man, he becomes less attractive. As a Republican (and McCain supporter), I find that Obama has accomplished the impossible, that is, to make Hillary seem like a more acceptable alternative.

impeach bush
Go ahead, impeach Bush. I like the sound of "President Cheney".

Proud Liberal
What we have come to see in Obama is that he is not the shining character you liberals portrayed him to be at the beginning of this campaign. With the MSM not reporting on some of his current and past associations, he has been able to get this far in his candidacy. No one is saying that America gave them what they have. We do say that the freedoms in this country have provided them with the opportunities to get where they are. But M. Obama isn't proud of this country until now.
Your argument holds no water.

Proud Liberal
Social structure only affects the arc of the individual if they allow it. Your view of humanity is skewed if you think people can only be victims of circumstance.

So proudlib
Are you saying it is all the white mans fault that all these various influences hold other races back?

impeach writes...
"The most corrupt political operative that ever existed is now on the air waves condemning the Barack Obama campaign for THEIR actions and THEIR associations!"

I guess you haven't heard of Sandy "Pants" Berger.

Wright/Ayers. How Sweet It Is.
There's a duo for you. But these two are really NOT friends of Obama. In fact, anymore "friends" like Wright and Ayers and Obama won't even hold his Senate seat. No. These wackos are best buds of none other then........ John McCain. Yep!

For John McCain, Wright and Ayers are like gifts that keeps on giving. And it looks like they will continue to do so right up until election day.

How Sweet It Is!


Proud Liberal
You continue to be confused by an old, but common liberal misconception. America and its founding principles are based on “equal opportunity” - not “equal results”. No two people are exactly identical in their abilities, motivation, intelligence, etc. Hell, a single man isn’t even the same in these areas on different days.

Not one conservative on this site has ever claimed America just handed everything to Obama (so stop making crap up). People criticize Obama and his wife because they complain about how “mean” and “racist” this country is...although it is this country that provided the “opportunity” for their success….something that would have been extremely difficult or impossible in most other countries.

You and other libs don’t fight for “equal opportunity, you want and expect “equal results” – which can only be achieved by taking from some and giving to others, regardless of their efforts. And of course in your fictional utopia, you and a handful of other self-anointed intelligentsia would be the ones to control and distribute all the goodies.

Uncle B
"Are you saying it is all the white mans fault that all these various influences hold other races back?"

Of course it is. People who are red, brown, black, and yellow never killed each other, waged war, or enslaved anyone. Only the EVIL WHITE MAN has ever done these things, and he must be EXTERMINATED as retriubtion.

funny
Bengal,

My comments have been proved right by you, as you don't know me and your not sure i'm American. the condesending way you have implied that i have no high diploma or have never traveled, just proves what type of people are there in the USA. I'm writing from a far and i'm not from the USA. However i have a BSC and an MA from two USA accredited universities. The country was racist then and even more so now, I graduated in the early 80's and continue to travel at least 8 times a year world wide on both business and pleasure.

AZPhil
I'm something like 6% Choctaw (or 6% "victim of the white man")...may I please be excused from the extermination?

impeach
Sept.11 WAS Al Gwhore and Slick Willy's fault! And WE DID run Al Gwhore out of town. You have lived your worst nightmare since with George Bush George Bush George Bush George Bush George Bush George Bush George Bush George Bush. Howz that you worthless little Kos TWERP.

Obama = A second Carter's term
Dr. Sowell is correct. Obama offers nothing new at all. He's just running for Jimmy Carter's second term, both in economic policy and international policy. He offers nothing but the same tired old neo-Marxist drivel packaged in a cleaned up corpse.

Fortunately, Obama has been fatally tainted by his associations and has no chance of winning a general election in November. We should all say good riddance to this flawed candidate.

Icedog
"I'm something like 6% Choctaw (or 6% "victim of the white man")...may I please be excused from the extermination?"

Oh Lord, here come the requests for clemency:) I think I am about 1/16 Cherokee myself. Let's do this: those who are the highest percentage of "white" blood can be exterminated first. We'll set up camps like Auschwitz. Then you and I can at least be further back in line. Micahel Moore looks 100% white to me, by the way.

sticky
I hate to criticize a man’s spelling, grammar or typos (I know I’m not immune from making a few). However, I counted at least a dozen obvious mistakes in your last short response. Really, a “BSC and an MA”?....and what exactly is a “USA accredited school”?

Eight Years Too Late
Dear Mr. Sowell:

In your column you write: "There is no reason why someone as arrogant, foolishly clever and ultimately dangerous as Barack Obama should become president."

Your words come eight years too late. There are many of us out here who, in 2000, felt the same way about George W. Bush. Who as you know was named President by our Supreme Court and has proceeded to divide and undermine our once-mighty country, demonstrating just how arrogant, foolishly clever and downright dangerous a President can be.



icedog
with a 6% choctaw ancestry that at least maskes you a more authentic native american that the colorado hero and fraud ward churchill

Old is "new"
Mr. Sowell is right on the money.

I would also add that almost everyone recognized a long time ago the Vientam War was a terrible mistake. The only way we could fight it was because the country was saddled with a pernicious and outmoded institution--the draft.

A lot of people want to bring it back, and McCain may be one of them. But so is Obama, who wants to institute not just a draft, but "national service", primarily to promote a leftist social policy. He clains it will be "voluntary", but not without co-ercion to "volunteer", and how long before this "good idea" becomes compulsory.

The young people flocking to Obama because they think he's against the Iraq War (he voted to fund it three times), should not get the idea he's opposed to a draft--for social purposes.

3 candidates all the same
I am puzzled that not ONE political group has addressed the hijacking of the Primary Voting system and most particularly NASS, aka National Association of Secretary of State in regard to what they (NASS) are proposing as a fix for the 2012 Primary elections
It is obvious that our choices were extremely limited in the 2008 Primaries to include only the most liberal candidates possible, with the upper echelon of both parties insuring that the early elections weeded out the more moderate or conservative candidates.
Do you know how the Primary system has evolved and by “whom” the dynamic has been put in place? and do you think, similar to the Presidential election, a more equitable all state inclusive ONE DAY voting Primary format should be instituted?
Not one word has been uttered by politicians, pundants or conservative publications as to the existence in this NASS or how it has been involved to this mess that even NASS refers to as chaotic and unfair. See web site nass.org
NASS has to date come up with a very questionable fix regarding 2012 elections and are appealing to Congress and to both top party officials to consider this fix.
The web site, nass.org should be a site that all concerned Americans are directed to particularly by organizations that are (truly mainstream or) really concerned with the fair and equitable out come of our nations election for the highest office in the land.
Finally, it would appear that there is no single group aware of, or representing the mainstream with this issue based on responses from talk show hosts, publications and polititians.

myspace generation
The myspacers have no recollection of history. they just want to ensure they have full access to all the porn that can be uploaded. to these folks the right to view porn is more important to them then the right to life for the unborn.

AZPhil
Deal....as long as I get to watch Moore go in first. Btw, I think Susan Sarandon, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, and Tim Robbins are also definitely white as hell.

they have been at it a while
The former New York Times editor John Swinton's comments that were written in his book A Momentous Question: The Respective Attitudes of Labor and Capital. He published it before the turn of the century. He said that "We know the powers that are defying the people. Our Government is in the hands of pirates. All the power of politics, and of Congress, and of the administration is under the control of the moneyed interests and men lacking ideals or morality. The adversary has the force of capital, thousands of millions of which are in his hand. He will grasp the knife of law, which he has so often wielded in his interest. He will lay hold of his forces in the legislature. He will make use of his forces in the press, which are always waiting for the wink, which is as good as a nod to a blind horse. Political rings are managed by skillful and unscrupulous political gamblers, who possess the 'machine' by which the populace are at once CONTROLLED AND CRUSHED."
George Sorros is clearly part of this evil scheme

Randy
In the extremely leftist state of Maryland, “coerced voluntarism” (what a contradiction in terms!) has already been implemented. High school students cannot graduate without 60 hours of “community volunteer” work...and the liberal administrators decide what is and what is not an acceptable volunteer activity.

Our elections create, a facade of choice
1953 - The Impact of Science on Society by Fabian Socialist Bertrand Russell is published in which he declares: " I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology....Various results will soon be arrived at: that the influence of home is obstructive....although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen....Educational propaganda, with government help, could achieve this result in a generation. There are, however, two powerful forces opposed to such a policy: one is religion; the other is nationalism....A scientific world society cannot be stable unless there is a ONE world government.

Icedog
Actually I think Danny Glover and Harry Belafonte are white as well regardless of their color. So, they should be forced to join the extermination line also....Maybe they will bring Hugo as a guest.

Sticky
Please give us some compare and contrast examples of how this country is more racist today than it was before. Your post is typical of what most liberals post here on TH. You make an assertion, but never back it up. It would be nice to know what country you are from. I am proud to say that my country is the most free country on the face of the earth. Certainly we have had problems in the past and we have problems in the present. There is no utopia.

Icedog
"In the extremely leftist state of Maryland, “coerced voluntarism” (what a contradiction in terms!) has already been implemented. High school students cannot graduate without 60 hours of “community volunteer” work...and the liberal administrators decide what is and what is not an acceptable volunteer activity. "

Like campaigning for the shrew? Or combatting the fictional problem known as global warming?

Proud Liberal
I don't know what conservatives you listen to but I listen to them all and Obama and his wifte are taken to task for advancing themselves and slapping the country that provided the opportunities by associating with non-repentant terrorists and racists.

UncleB
I always wonder why Glover, Penn and Belafonte keep returning to this "hate-filled and racist imperialistic hell on earth”. Why not just remain in the wonderful socialist utopia of Venezuela?

AZPhil
You can also volunteer to "take out the trash" at a local abortion mill or spit on recruits exiting recruiting offices. :)

nmi this is really getting old
You lost in 2004, deal with it! If GWB was very clever he would have started the surge and promoted Petraeus in October 2006. Jeez Louise, get a life. If you're so concerned about the judiciary please take a gander at what the FL sumpremes tried to do.

Sticky
I second what CubeCommander said. Also, please explain how America is less racist than wherever you come from. America is the most heterogonous country in the world.

Left-brained
My guess is that Rev. Wright was not thinking of Thomas Sowell when he declared that blacks are "right-brained".

If you think about it more, if Obama is half-white and half-black, which side of his brain does he use? From the debates I would conclude that he is still waiting to make a decision about which side of his brain to use.

OK Mirefox
I've been all over the internet and heterogonous is not an easy definition to find. At least any that fit your context.

Very clever, cleverness
Its like he's trying to make his brain ambidextrous and atrophies both sides.

Impeach, whatever
your referrence to "rounding up foreigners living on our soil" being an impeachable offense is kinda funny since your side's hero already did that to the Japanese during WW2- and I don't remember any impeachment proceedings- but I might have missed it eh?

AZPhil at 12:46p
I was reading Curtal Friars blog on the holocaust and the poster on TH known as Akagi, aparently his last name, started in about how Europeans and their offspring, Americans, are the worst offenders of barabarism in history.

So CF tells Akagi that his blog on the holocaust is not the place to discuss this and tells him to write about it on his own blog. I don't have a link to it, but I read it today and it was a joke. Every time he wrote about an atrocity committed by some Asian culture, he was quick to add a "but" in there tell about how Europeans and Americans, read "whites", were even worse offenders.

Somehow, I pointed out, he was turning a discussion on the Holocaust into a pi$$ing contest about which societies were the worst offenders. I get tired of hearing about how despicable I am simply because I'm caucasian. I would be run out of town on a rail if I even insinuated that about some other minority. Can you say double standard?

He shall not be moved!
Vic: "But it really doesn't matter this year who you vote for, they are all the same."


Nice try Dr. Sowell, but you didn't frighten Vic
with Obama's potential Supreme Court nominees. He's unflappable, imperturbable; he shall not be moved!



(PS, I like Vic's posts--just having a little fun.)

TO IMPEACHBUSH
Get a hair-cut, get a job, put Mao's little red book away for a few minutes and get back to DailyKos where you belong.
--Sowell is absolutely right, Obama (I find it interestong that sooo many commentators like to refer to him as Barrack, yet it is always McCain or Clinton)is a 60's throw-back and a pacifist. If all the white libs need to ease their consciences by voting for this clown (the epitomal affirmative action success story) then they need to take responsibility, difficult for a lib, for the damage done for generations to come.

"The pacifist is as surely a traitor to his country and to humanity as is the most brutal wrongdoer."
Theodore Roosevelt

Cleverness of me ...
The half-white/half-black comments are all racist comments that only blacks can understand. Therefore, Obama only half-understands it!

Obama nailed
All this anti-Bush syndrome or Bush derangement, whichever you prefer, has been a smoke screen for the liberal agenda. The Clintons, thanks to Perot, were able to position themselves as centrists, while Reaganites put conservatives in Congress in '94. From that time to now, the Clintonistas have introduced the personal destruction tactics with their libs, media and special interest buds. Terrorists (2004) and anti-Clintons (2000) cost them the presidency but their manipulation of youth (academic Stalinists), Democrats and minorities with the anti-American media has been shameful and now the do-nothing Congress has come home to roost (gas and food). Obama, thanks to Ayers and Wright, with kudos to Hannity for staying with it, will not win. The Clintons will pull back and wait for '08. I hate to sound like a broken record. Throw out the dims and rinos. Join and communicate in your districts.

FROG
"Every time he wrote about an atrocity committed by some Asian culture, he was quick to add a "but" in there tell about how Europeans and Americans, read "whites", were even worse offenders."

Right. Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Il-Sung, Hirohito, Saddam Hussein, and Idi Amin were all white dictators. Didn't you know that?

But since "Hitler was worse", those guys were all okay. Get it now?

So, policy...
We've pretty much established that at least half the people here think that Obama is a filthy Commie traitor, a Trojan Horse of entitlement programs, lawlessness, and racial resentment...
...or whatever.

However, I find it odd that everyone (including my fellow America-haters) is ignoring Sowell's arguments about the effects of Obama's putative policies. Sowell didn't say, "Don't elect Obama because he's evil;" he tried to address particulars. We're not even bothering.

DID 60's progressivism cause social unrest, or was it an inevitability? Or was the unrest necessary to fix some glaring evils in the system?
DID 20's-30's Kellogg-Briand style diplomatic hubris cause WWII, or was it rather the pains of post-monarchy, post-industrial puberty for much of the world?

Quiet! (Obama is Toast)
Obama has no chance of winning in November. Please don't tell the Democrats.

And What of the Future?
Right on as usual, Dr Sowell.

You speak of riots back in the 1960s, but wait until Obama is defeated---whether as a Democrat or in the Presidential Election. With his 'friends' in the fore, riots will be occurring all over the country because a 'black' was defeated.

A liberal black who has minimal qualifications and a hatred for his Country defeated? Horrors! The crowds, led [incited?] by the Reverend Wright and Al Sharpton [with help from the usual gang of rabble rousers] in their speeches---well, these crowds will be tearing our cities apart. And you can forget about an Inaugural ceremony and celebration. They will probably be canceled due to the great unrest.

Whether one of the two Democrat Liberals or John McCain is elected, we will be having immense local, national and international difficulties after 2008. Sad but true.

indyconantidim
So, if I'm reading you correctly, liberals rely on personal attacks to discredit their opponents, which is shameful.

By contrast, Hannity's usual strategy of digging up any and all dirt on his targets and throwing wads of said dirt at them every night for an hour is...heroic?

Please explain the difference between "Clintonista" ad hominem attacks and Hannitism.

Yttrium
BrinaR has a pretty good analysis of the SCOTUS situation on his site a few months ago.

http://viewfromtheisland.blogtownhall.com/2008/01/29/the_el ection_and_the_supreme_court.thtml

If O'Vomit is elected or Shrillary, it will not be much worse than if Mclame is elected.

Nyarlathotep
"DID 60's progressivism cause social unrest, or was it an inevitability? Or was the unrest necessary to fix some glaring evils in the system?"

Schools were desegregated in the 50s, the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. There was no great social injustice responsible for Watts or the riots of 68.

Draft Sowell for President!
That's all I can say.

Excellent article
The liberal's plan is coming to maturity. They alter history, teach socialism, and turn our boys into wimps. We've conditioned our youth (in public schools) to be "Kool Aid drinkers." Is it any surprise that they can't think for themselves? So many of them follow the w/out question. If B. Hussein Obama wins, the long-term agenda of the liberals worked!

Obama is Redemption
Vote for Obama and get salvation! You'll be assuaged of all guilt if Obama gets elected.

Since I don't have anything politically to be guilty about, I'll vote for some one else. But if you believe America's collective sin can be absolved just by electing a black man, then Obama is your guy.

cleverness
You're probably right; I think I left an option out, which might belong under the "inevitability" category: "Was it caused by something unrelated to Great Society programs?"

Actually, my punctuation unnecessarily emphasized my last question, so I should rephrase for brevity and clarity:
"Were the respective policies Sowell cites--those of '30's diplomacy and '60's social programs--responsible for the unpleasant results he lays at their feet?"

From there, did they simply play a causal role in the particulars of what would have happened anyway, or are they morally culpable for the events per se (a massive global war; a lack of progress against ignorance and poverty)?

In the case of Watts, for instance, what Democratic policies led to violence? I don't think the much-maligned welfare system had had time to do its work.

"Old Newness"
I worry more that the 'old newness' is just a means to get into the White House, and that once there the 'new newness' will manifest itself.

Nyar surely you jest
And no I won't quit calling you Shirley. Hannity is like Joe Friday. You may not like the delivery but its just the facts, ma'am, just the facts. You may not like hearing them over and over again but that's your problem. You can always turn it off.

The libs, on the other hand, feed each other stories, most unconfirmed, and then keep reporting it over and over on front pages and the top of news shows even after its been refuted. If you can't see that you're not as sharp as I assumed you to be.

rightwingmom
One thing that leftist culture HAS given me is a fine-tuned sense of irony. Do you get a chuckle out of the fact that you implicitly extol your own free-thinking individualism with overused conspiracy theories and the same tired invective ("Kool-Aid Drinker," "B. Hussein Obama") as millions of other conservatives?

I know I do.

Wait, I know. You reached these conclusions entirely on your own, using your razor-sharp intellect.

OBTW, independent conservative
anti-dim (anti-American Dems). What in the world is a Nyarlathotep. Ryan somebody or somebody Ryan?

indy
Nyar+8 sounds like some sort of Egyptian pharaoh to me...

Once again Dr. Sowell is right on...
Thank you, Dr. Sowell. Nothing more needs be said.

indyconantidim
I think you've introduced a new distinction; originally, you took liberals to task for tactics of "personal destruction."
Lies are entirely another matter.

Before the element of truth was introduced, I was trying to point out that picking a side and then oh-so-selectively running unpleasant stories ONLY about the other side (a la Hannity), no matter your political affiliation, is the worst kind of obfuscating tribalism, and guarantees that substantive ideas will not be discussed within miles (figurative ideological miles, anyway) of your venue.

Hannity may operate strictly within the bounds of fact (eg, "[these literal words were in fact said]"), albeit completely without context if he so chooses, but he's a political thug for whom no serious intellectual should have any respect.

Nyar you forgot your
finely honed lib lefty's mantra - H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y

Nyarlathotep
Nyarlathotep was a character in H.P. Lovecraft's pulp horror stories from the '20's and '30's. I don't know if you've ever read them, but they were fairly influential in horror and science fiction (ever heard the name Cthulhu?)

Anyway, he roams the world in the guise of a man, causing madness and chaos, presumably to pave the way for demonic entities that sleep "beyond the stars" to come and dominate the Earth.

I chose it more or less at random, not because it carries a particular meaning for me, but it certainly seems to draw attention, which I guess is good.

Also, the motif of inducing insanity seems particularly appropriate for a political discussion board.

Nyar
On the subject of Obama and Wright, Hannity had it right from day one (in all contexts) and I think the term "intellectual integrity" comes into play here. Don't you? I know the intellectual I listen to (Dr. Sowell) does.

indyconantidim
Whoa, whoa; hypocrisy?

Whence hypocrisy?

I thought we were being fairly civil until now. How am I a hypocrite?

While we're at it, I think "lib" needs to be put to bed. It doesn't really mean anything, is only used by conservatives, and just ends up sounding like an ethnic slur.

...you fascist.

Indy part 1
Looks like Nyarweirdo is up to Step 9 (you will see in part 2):

How to Be Good Liberal".

1) Apologize for things you didn't do (See Clinton apologizing for slavery) and do not apologize for things you are responsible for (adultery, selling military secrets to China, not capturing bin Laden, pardoning Marc Rich for money, suborning perjury, giving nuclear reactors to North Korea, sending American troops to Bosnia for no reason, etc, etc, etc).

2) Address imaginary issues (global warming) and ignore real ones (muslim terrorism).

3) Equate "feeling" with "helping". Just because conservatives contribute more to charity means nothing; they don't "feel" as bad as you do.

4) Do as I say, not as I do.

5) Cry over the executions of mass murderers while fighting for everyone's right to kill fetuses.


Indy part 2
6) Find rights in the Constitution that no one else can find (like privacy) while failing to see the ones written in black and white (see the 2nd Amendment).

7) Never hold liberals accountable. Whether they lie, cheat, steal, run the local Klan chapter, or leave someone underwater to die, elect, and re-elect, them to public office indefinitely.

8) Have two standards defining what "greed" is. If CEOs make millions, they are greedy. If liberal actors make millions pretending to be someone else, that's just the fair market at work. If gas costs $3 a gallon, that's pure greed. If movie tickets cost $9 each, again, the fair market at work.

9) Complain about imaginary problems while ignoring real ones (this is an offshoot of #2). Call any Republican president "Hitler", or a fascist, or stupid and claim he's trampling on civil rights while the media lampoon him daily. Then, praise Castro and Chavez, who actually do respond to political enemies with imprisonment, torture, and death.

10) Praise the ignorant while condemning the educated. Bush, who went to Harvard and Yale, is stupid. Sean Penn, who couldn't finish college (or maybe high school), is brilliant.

You get the idea...


Nyarlathotep
Hannity is a self-declared "Reagan Conservative" and has never tried to claim to be objective or impartial. He spends four hours a day exposing liberal hypocrisy and the danger of liberal beliefs. He has no responibility to "show the other side"....he is also self-described “conservative political commentator” - not a news anchor.

Americans are already saturated with the "view from the left"....and conservatives wouldn’t have a problem, if liberal MSM journalists (the large majority) would at least be honest and identify themselves as “liberal political commentators” and stop trying to pass themselves off as “objective journalists”.

6 Supremes over 70
Supreme Court Justices over the age of 70 when the new Administration takes office:


Stevens, 88
Scalia, 72
Kennedy, 72
Souter, 70
Bader Ginsburg, 75 (and has cancer)
Breyer, 70


BrianR has some good points, but I live in a much more unpredictable universe than he does. I am not on a deathwatch, but it seems more realistic to be prepared for as many as 6 Supreme Court Justice appointments, esp. in the next 8 years. Bader Ginsburg should be next, as she is terminally ill, and I hold out hope for another Clarence Thomas to take her place.

Thanks for the comeback, Vic!

AZPhil, about that number 8 ...
You forgot to mention that libs overlook that gubment takes in more money on a gallon of gas (not greedy) then the oil company's (greedy ba$tards!).

indyconantidim
Hannity may certainly have been "correct" about Obama and Wright, in that (as I assume you mean) he probably concluded that Wright was more or less insane and that Obama is accountable for having been so intimately associated with him.

Is this an act of intellectual integrity? Maybe; at least, I don't think he's lying about this particular set of facts, or even misrepresenting the story, since Wright did say these things.

My problem with Hannity, rather, is that he immediately draws the conclusion most advantageous for his "side" and NEVER thinks any more about it. He's plodding and predictable, to the point that in listening two or three times a week for a year or so, I never heard an act of mental agility, a perspective I hadn't considered, or a conclusion I hadn't already expected him to draw. I'm not saying that he's a liar, or that he eats baked puppy for lunch, but he IS a simple-minded propagandist with an almost Manichean hatred for thoughts outside his predetermined opinions and an annoying tendency to use synonyms as a stand-in for eloquence.

Icedog
I agree 100%. I don't mind liberal commentators like Olbermann and Air America. What I mind is liberal commentators such as Dan Rather, Katie Couric, and Walter Cronkite who masquerade as "impartial reporters" and say stuff like "and that's the way it is" with a straight face.

Oh, and AZPhil, you were very close ...
on Nyarlathotep when you said it sounds like an Egyptian Pharoah. If memory serves me, and unfortunately, it doesn't alwasys, I believe a mummy is what the author Lovecraft had in mind when he created the character.

FROG
"AZPhil, about that number 8 ...
You forgot to mention that libs overlook that gubment takes in more money on a gallon of gas (not greedy) then the oil company's (greedy ba$tards!)."

Hey, I wrote that on the fly..I tried to be as comprehensive as possible:)