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Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Audacity of Rhetoric
by Thomas Sowell
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It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious.

Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time -- and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it.

It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny.

Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father."

These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets" -- in Obama's own words -- as well as the "more politically active black students." He later visited a former member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he ran for state senator.

Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college -- members of the left, anti-American counter-culture.

In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama -- "A Bound Man" -- it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as it were -- and, like many converts, he went overboard.

Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S. Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite inconsistencies in what he says.

The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of being the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination has required him to project an entirely different persona, that of a post-racial leader who can heal divisiveness and bring us all together.

The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's talent and a warning about his reliability.

There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. That's bringing us all together?

Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left? Who on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah Wright?

One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment by his grandmother -- "a typical white person," he says -- with an organized campaign of public vilification of America in general and white America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright.

Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look similar verbally, however different they are in the real world.

Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in the black community.

There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored?

While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for decades to come.

Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have.

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Chasrunyon
Um, just as a note: Jesus never said the thing about fishing and giving fish. Even if you're not a diehard Christian, I think you could benefit from re-reading the Gospels.

Chicago politics
There were two things that concerned me in Obama's Dreams of My Father.

First, Obama isn't black. Although his father was African, he barely knew his father. He was raised mostly by his Anglo mother and Anglo Grandparents. He grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia as far from the racially charged South as it's possible to be. He went to private prep schools and private colleges. This hardly adds up to understanding the plight of the African-American. Why then is he black now? It's the shortest path to his fulfill his ambition of political power.

The second is Obama's view of what political power is and what it's for. From his book I would infer he sees power as something to be seized in order to reward your friends and punish your enemies. He learned this view in Chicago, the home of the political machine. Come to think of it, that is also where Hilary learned her view of politics.

Ironic isn't it?
I recently read about a kerfuffle over an Asian-America sculptor being selected to create a statue of Dr King. The usual suspects in the civil rights movement were outraged and demanded that an African-American sculptor be selected instead. So much for Dr King's dream to have people judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin. It seemed that the main stream media entirely missed that irony. To me, it was further confirmation that the modern civil rights movement, as lead by the likes of Sharpton, Bond, and Jackson, is morally bankrupt.

Was Hitler "post anti-semitism"
Old Obama had a con. E I E I O And with this con he conned some whites E I E I O With a Crack Cracker here and a Crack Cracker there Here a Crack then an er everywhere a crack cracker. His book is nothing but race. Obsessive paranoid delusions about whitey are about two to a page. White people bring there dogs to poop on his street in NY. That's PAGE ONE ! It just never stops. It's one of these things where you think, Wait! this is a parody. This isn't the real book. But it is.....

Name calling
Name calling only reflects on the person calling the names. Attacking a person instead of his or her agruments indicates that you cannot really attack the agrument, so you have to settle for the peron instead.

Calling Dr. Sowell names is just sad.

Dr. Sowell believes that Senator Obama is not the person he pretends to be. From what I've read about the Senator, I have to agree. All the evidence indicates that for most of his adult life, the Senator surrounded himself with racist, Anti-American, left-wing people.

If you have any information to counter this view, please let me know.

If all you can do is make fun of what I say, beware! You're only making yourself look bad.




Obama vs Chavez
Both want to rob the profits from the oil companies to "give jobs" to their supporters. Both hate America and want us to stop opposing tyranny and terror with force of arms. The only difference is Chavez is more honest.

To none
you write:

"as the socialist, marxist liberal that he is, is going to make hard working citizens who go to work every day to support their families and strive to succeed in life, be the ones who are punished by taxing them into poverty to be the "nanny's" of our
country for "his" people who feel it is up to the government to think, due and pay their way through life."

What ever the heck that means. But I think you should know that it was Reagan who cut the tax rates for the wealthy
... and then....
during his administration raised the rates of total payroll tax witholding for FICA, which are the most regressive form of taxation, cutting off just as the salary of the worker gets to a point where he is literally becoming wealthy (it now stands at, I think, $95,000) and therefore primarily taxing the working people no matter how little they earn ...

...it was REAGAN RAISED THE RATE OF FICA PAYROLL TAX WITHOLDING BY 6.2%, from 8.1% to 14.3% That is a near doubling of the regressive and inescapable FICA tax, while the rich got tax cuts!!!!

That was supposed to solve the crisis of Social Security by building a trust fund. Then Greenspan suggesting "borrowing" the trust fund. Now, Bush tells us government is inefficient.

No.

Republicans are thieves.

FUNNY ELIOT SPITZER VIDEO
Check out this funny video on youtube. Dr. Phil comes to the rescue to cure Eliot Spitzer of his "issues". It's hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1iZH9MOEkk

atheling
Obama IS a con man, as someone else noted.

He has accomplished nothing of importance as a Senator, and his resume of qualifications would barely fill a US postage stamp in font sized 7. Indeed, he is another affirmative action recipient who manages to achieve demagoguery status among the unthinking left.

The fact that liberal fascists like Phylo et al still support him says something about their critical thinking skills. Kneejerk liberals are simply neo Nazis (who were Socialists) in Birkenstocks. Much nicer, but just as deadly to civilization.




Should we be frightened?
Mr. Sowell,

I just wanted to say your article is insightful. Although it still generates intense feelings as evidenced by the comments here, it brings up some other points to consider.

I am white and like others have to wonder....do all blacks feel this way? Obama and others say it's like any other Black Church across America.

Is this really true? If so, then myself and other whites, and Jews, etc. have a lot to fear.

I'd like to think blacks don't consider themselves victims, but survivors.

Perhaps I'm wrong. I sincerely hope not.

Obama Knew
Wright is just spewing racist, Anti-Aamerican rhetoric. Obama had to believe to be there for 20 years, he embraced this. Maybe THIS is why Michelle only now feels proud of her country.

And to take HIS OWN CHILDREN to be fed this is atrocious. All that would serve to do is get them to hate, cause them to be racist and Anti-American, and to be frightened to be around those different than them.

Obama embraced something 20 years that he says he is trying to transcend.

The church OBAMA CHOSE is based on BLT
The problem is Black Liberation Theology. It's what the church is based on and Wright has stated this many times.

What about a "theology" which is based in hate and white racism. Is that acceptable to anyone?

I got the following from here: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=8159
Cone, Wright, Trinity UCC and black liberation theology

The acknowledged founder of current black liberation theology is one James H. Cone. Rev. Wright acknowledges Cone as the father of the theology he expressly believes in.

More importantly though, if this church has been the one that "most embodied" James Cone's message, how in the world has Senator Obama remained so blissfully unaware for 23 years?

Despite the speech and the absurd and morally relative comparison between Wright and his "Typical White Person" grandmother - I have to agree that he does believe and his morals have been affected by it.

Go to the site to read it or research further for yourself.

FIND THE TRUTH, BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR A NOMINEE FOR OUR PARTY THAT WILL LOSE.

Obama
He should quit the race and resign his Senate seat.

I AM HILLARY THE FRAUD CLINTOON!!
I AM HILLARY, I AM A FRAUD, HEHEHE!!
I AM HILLARY THE FRAUD" HI "

We let Bill into the White House to sleep with more interns and we let him slide when He lied to us..

BILL:"I did not have no relations with that woman"

BILL: "Ok I did and with out a condom"" My Baad"

BILL: "Hillary was home, she watched, she's a freeak"
BILL: "Chuckle"


Hillary: "I have 32 years of experience".

Hillary: " I lied, I lied to Walmart employees who lost their jobs and benefits when we got rid
of the unions"

Hillary: "I got my best friend and tax lawyer killed and I got my tax paperwork out of his office the night I got, I mean, he got killed"

Hillary: "8 years as first lady I meet with political leaders and sat in on US and Foreign Policies.

Hillary: "I lied, I never had security clearance to sit in on any political businees." OOPS!!

Hillary: " I drank tea and ate lots of food while my husband slept with Monica".




So now Hillary just took lying to an all new level!!

"Snipers, snipers everywhere, RUN!!!

Run!!! Forrest Run"


"Run Chelsea Run"

"Run Sinbad and Cheryl, Run!!"


Hillary: " I mispoke that I ran, I am human, everybody does it."

Hillary: " American's are used to us and our lies"


Hillary: " Where Frauds" " oh well, get over it"

Hillary: "WE the Clintoons, are experience liars, SOOO HAAA!!"

Hillary: We've been lying to the PUBLIC SINCE DAY ONE!!



Hillary: "Now let me go answer this phone, It's 3am and I feel the need to go tell another lie!!"


Chelsea:" Where can I hide now?" I know Bosnia""

Chelsea: " I love them Snipers, so cute"

Disavow the comments? NO -
Find another Church - when we moved to Chicago in 1998 we found a church after awhile. After our daughter was born in May we attended during Mother's Day weekend - my wife was the newest mother in the congregation. NOTE: We made the decision for me, the dad, to quit my job and stay home - This preacher's Sunday sermon turned into a rant about the evils brought upon society by women that work, that women should stay home with kids, and obey the husband, yadayadayada - That was the last time we stepped foot in that church, and on Monday I stopped payment on the check I put in the collection plate!

That is how one should deal with public leaders who spew nonsense, political, religious, or otherwise.

The Audacity Of Rhetoric
So many articles, so much time spent on the villification and exposure of Obama & Wright. Which bodes well for both, this is a big to-do because Obama is running for the Oval office and his "good reverend" pal and mentor isn't the first, and won't be the last black preacher to say some outlandish crap to get heads in the seats.
Yes Dr. Sowell what they say in the pulpit has been to the detrement of the black community in most cases because of the historically significant role the "church" has played.
It's too bad, all we hear is the irresponsible rantings of a raving loon when the "church" itself has done a lot for the black community in Chicago.
However, all this controversy boils down too, is that Mr. Wright gets to retire in a lifestyle that he and God's other controversial messengers have grown accustomed and believed entitled.

Prejudice
I often hear from the left that the black man can't make it in America, but who wrote the above article. The men of America have done horrible things but we've always tried to correct our mistakes! Over 300,000 men dies to end an in-justice. Was it smooth sailing after the great civil war no but the struggle continued. It sickens me to hear over and over whats wrong without taking into account what's right. It amazes me also that a black man would belong to a political party (democrats) that started the KKK, and who have repeatedly tried to disarm them through gun control, and pushed them to abort their children. How can we prove to blacks we are just Americans and on their side we they align themselves with those that would destroy them? I'm not a die hard christian but when Jesus talks about teaching a man to fish rather than giving him a fish it so like republican/democrat ideas! Good day!

Thanks GGAZ
And I agree with your observation re the extent of white resentment.

Phylo, thanks for taking my advice.
To cool it on this column, and not expose your real conservative leanings.

Looking forward to seeing your liberal satire on the other columnist articles.

Judy
Typical left-wing democrats !

Funny
How have the democrats painted themselves into this corner? That stupid Dean "punishes" Florida democrats by negating their vote, Hillary show herself (again) to be a lier and Obama is exposed as a racist.

none
Good post.So true.

We can thank the pretend-pastor for liberating us.Never again will whites need to walk on eggs,bite our tongues and try to be so politically correct so as not to appear racist.That albatross has been thrown off,for me,anyway.

I have never felt as suspicious about people as I do today.Although I realize all blacks are not like Obama and his family and the Wrights of this world,I will wonder how they REALLY feel about me.

Wright,and the Obamas hate whites.There is no way they can deny it.They hate America.The bottom line is..they hate WHITE AMERICANS.



OBAMA THE RICH ANTI AMERICAN
Hussein Obama, If you want to promote a need to have a conversation about race, okay, but this time it will be a two-way converstion letting "whitey" America, the silent majority also give their demands and grievances. By the way, Hussein Obama, the news said that you and your wifes income last year was over $2mil and that only 1% of it went to donations, and you demand that the so called "rich" Americans need to be taxed more? Where is your support for your poor black people? Finally, no people in the world has done more to aid your people. Take food stamps, rent supplements, welfare, Pell grants, student loans, Medicaid, Earned Income and how about the affirmative action that places black over white for businesses and colleges, whether they are qualified or not? This is not even telling what civic groups, churches and even soup kitchens have done. As Pat Buchanan said, America has been the best country on earth for black folks as they have reached the greatest level of freedon and prosperity blacks have ever known....just ask your wife and Condolezza Rice! ! Rice had to sit at the back of the bus, was not allowed to use the same drinking fountain as whites, etc.. Thanks to her parents instilling positive values and self worth she became the success she is today.
Hussein Obama: 'LET YOUR PEOPLE GO" out and find their own way in this country....we are tired of giving them handouts!

Ph.,D., J.D.
Great post. As the Chief Justice recently wrote, the way to stop discriminating on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

I know for a fact that not all blacks agree with Wright and his twisted "black liberation theology." There are many excellent black Christian pastors who preach the true gospel.

The percentage question makes me worry, too. I note that about 90% of blacks typically vote for the Democrats. I hope that's not and indication of the extent of black resentment, though I fear that it may be.

OSAMA OBAMA
After reading this very concise and accurate account of this "hate America" candidate who could be our next president. I ask myself...when did we as Americans become so caught up in a man that has such great rheotoric in a rock star manner, that they have never taken the time to truly educate themselves on who this "false prophet" really is. (Same German pattern with Hitler!)He is truly a danger to our country!
I listened to his speech yesterday and it is truly frightening, as the socialist, marxist liberal that he is, is going to make hard working citizens who go to work every day to support their families and strive to succeed in life, be the ones who are punished by taxing them into poverty to be the "nanny's" of our
country for "his" people who feel it is up to the government to think, due and pay their way through life. Oh! Where are the Kennedy's...how come they are not out campaigning for him? I bet their relative JFK would really be proud of all of them now.

The black man's KKK?
"But many blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for decades to come."

Whites where I work are already wondering how many blacks adhere to such racist, vicous philosophies and (1) whether they hate all whites or just a few, (2) if they do hate mainstream America, should they continue getting the welfare bennies, and (3) how do we protect against a population that evidences so much more hate than anything we have seen in our lives (being born after Nazi's, KKK, etc.).

The pastor appears like a wild dog, this mentor of Barack's. If his followers are like that, do I need more guns, etc.?

The wierd thing is how many whites are finally "getting" it -- i.e., how much many blacks despite and hate them. The truth shall set you free.

This is the culmination of identity politics. Welcome to a Brave New World.

Let's try equal treatment under law again.

I can respect this kind of criticism..
I can't respect Sean Hannity's mindless campaign to "out" Obama. But Sowell is clearly speaking with insight.

Unfortunately, as a black man with right leanings, I know (as I'm sure Sowell does), that a Jeremiah W has more influence among blacks than we care to admit. The majority of blacks may not think like JW, but we're terribly put off by him either.

As such, as a young man with negligible "street cred", Obama concluded that being friendly to black nationalist elements was a legit way to get that street-cred. Personally, I don't think he had to go that far, but I can understand why he may have felt that way.

The level of tolerance among blacks for people like Farrakhan or Jeremiah is perhaps the most troubling issue in all this. It's probably gonna take a few more generations to wash away all that resentment, whether we like it or not.

Please learn how to spell
When you post comments, please spell what you are trying to say correctly.
Otherwise you look ridiculous. I hope the errors are caused by coming home after work and having a beer, but it comes across as hayseeds having a ball.
Enough of my whining'
Excellent column, as usual, Dr. Sowell.
I fear for this country.
Are you sure that you don't want to run for office?
This Honky would vote for you in a New York Minute.

Jack
Obama,like the Wizard of Oz,has everyone flocking to him like lemmings following the Pied Piper.Such excitement!The Wizard can fulfill their every wish.All they have to do is believe in him.

He has kept up a charade for years.He sounds so powerful! The naive expect to get their every wish fulfilled. Everyone said he could and would do it. He is behind the curtain,waiting for his chance to show what he can do...OH,NO !!!HE IS EXPOSED !!SOMEONE HAS PULLED BACK THE CURTAIN !!!!


Phylo, you need to keep it down on this
topic. For you're giving it away, that you're really a closet conservative, making liberals look bad by writing all your previous liberal rant posts.

For this article by Sowell is so well written and on point, that only a fool would attempt degrading it. You risk totally marginalizing yourself, and not getting read at all in the future. Which would lessen your impact of satirizing the liberal idiots that we both agree, are so fun to write about.

Phylo, just lay off this topic. We don't want you to be a shooting star. But a bright sun.

Paul Greenberg
Paul Greenberg is an American gem. He's a wonderful writer and a fine decent human being. It may be just his innate good will toward his fellow Americans that he writes less than condemning language. It also is because he most likely believes that the truth will come out long before the election.

He's giving the man the benefit of the doubt.

He's doing that because he's a gentleman.

Obama is going nowhere. Like the saying goes, "Silence is deafening."

Obama is sinking himself with what he has not addressed for decades. He doesn't need Paul Greenberg to pull him down.

Obama is hoping that the American voter will not see what is before him, or, if seen, will deliberately censor his own common sense.

Clinton was elected TWICE. Obama thinks he can pull it off. We'll see in November.

If I misspelled anything, please excuse me. I've been ducking from sniper fire as I write this.

'Silver linings'
Below are two dictionary definitions of 'audacity.' Neither is one I'd choose as a trait essential for a president, preferring to leave such antics on comic-book pages:

1. Fearless daring; intrepidity.
2. Bold or insolent heedlessness of restraints, as of those imposed by prudence, propriety, or convention.

Too, I've often thought the Wright/Obama line about 'the audacity of hope' to be nothing but a rip-off of John Paul II's more-authentic examination of the same virtue, 'Crossing the Threshold of Hope,' which antedates Obama's echo by some ten years. But on consideration, I doubt either he or Wright would ever stoop to reading any religious figure outside the darkened confines of 'black liberation theology.'
The 'silver lining' in this election year may be that all the gullible middle-of-the-roaders on race-based questions such as 'freedom of association' may begin to see clearly how race-baiters have continually trumped American values with rhetoric, court action and riots, and we can, as a nation, begin to challenge & ignore their destructive demands.

LA and White Trash
LA, I used to live in Athens County, Ohio. In case you aren't familiar with the area, most of Ohio (outside of the 3 big cities) is quite staunchly Republican. The exception is southeast Ohio, and mostly Athens County, the home of Ohio University, AKA Berkely East. Athens County is typical Appalachia, with haves and have-nots. The haves live mostly in comfortable homes, nothing ostentatious. The have-nots live in trailers and tar-paper shacks, have cars on blocks in the lawn, and smoke and drink away most of their income. Guess where most of that income comes from? That's right -- the welfare rolls in Athens County are amongst the largest in the nation.

Note an article out recently that indicates that 10% of Ohioans are on food stamps. Who was quoted in that article? An official of Athens County. Who would know better?

Just to add to the discussion -- the people of whom I speak are mostly white, and they vote consistently Democrat.

Blackness is About White Guilt .
Blackness is About White Guilt .It is also about the more Liberal, Elite , spoiled with not ones own

earned Wealth the more they fells his or her Guilt ABOUT THAT .
Blacks not only have a friend in that they stay lazy and wallow in that .
Barrack our Media and his Minister well know that and see too that !
I am white and I don't buy into that since I have earned what I AM ABOUT !

Dr. Sowell's Insights (Incites)
Doctor, you couldn't be more right. But I'm not so sure about the "change" in Obama or any other Liberal/Progressive thinker. I don't believe he has "changed his tune." He's more like a 21st Century Bob Dylan with a hopeful social message but doesn't sing. His talents are in the speaking voice instead of the singing voice. He really believes what he says. He is not trying to deceive anyone just trying to rationally convince people that what he says and believes is the correct method to achieve peace and harmony in this chaotic society--national and global . . . and with that God-given talent he also possesses the "right" to be dead wrong whether he says it or not.

After the grim social experiments of the past century and their abject failure, it just goes to show that it's as difficult for him to brand his "[closet] racist" preacher/friend/mentor/campaign advisor as it is for him to admit that about 100 years of failed Liberal government "solutions" to social problems is not the solution. Reality bites but doesn't get votes.

Somehow, "sheep" and "lemmings" keeps popping up in my mind . . . kind of like when Republicans keep voting in those who think Liberal fantasies will appease, forgive or actually solve the problems . . .

Thanks!
To all of you (especially AZPhil) who tried to help set Left Angle right. I appreciate it, and we fought the good fight. You just can't talk sense into someone who starts out with a premise, and no matter what cannot change his mind even when proven wrong.

What it boils down to is the right wants people to get on the road to self-sufficiency, and some of those people will have to be nudged with great vigor. The left, on the other hand, wants to keep people poor and beholden to libs. Very sad!

Anyway, I have enjoyed keeping company with many of you! And AZPhil...those Spanish Catholics drink the largest percentage of wine in Spain!!! Scandalous!

About Left Angle

Slightly more intelligent than Roberto, slightly better spoken, but not one whit more intelligent.

Why are you all waisting every bodies time writing to this S.J. Let him talk to himself.

WAY Down South
Do whatever you can for any of these guys.
They can serve as a "Damage Control Team"

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/iraq_vets_for_congre ss.html

Lefty Racist
"""We accept poor whites...
because statistically speaking per capita they represent a minimum of the whites in the u.s., which is insignificant even though they are using billions of dollars to support them and they still dont match with blacks/hispanics per
capita an by percentage...plus they dont ask for "handouts and free stuff by per capita and percentage of the u.s. population.blah blah blah... ""


Lefty, I have read every comment on this thread, even your stupid blather. And I came to the conclusion that the only one in this thread who is making an issue of Race is YOU.

You just don't get it because your poor little pea-sized cranium is filled with democrat talking points.

We want to Dismantle the Welfare State. PEROID. Not just for blacks, or whites, or Martians. The whole damn welfare state is a mess and needs to be dismantled.
Now, I know in your twisted little brain, you're going to find some way of making that a racist statement, but that's Your problem, not ours.

Do you use a snorkle to get your head that far up your butt?

God Save My Country!

Let me get this straight.

I get to chose between Mullah Obama, the Wicked Witch of All Points of the Compass, or the Village Idiot.

God Save My Country!



Oboma : Truth , Honesty
Truth , Honesty ... and Oboma have the same convictions as does a Robber of his past misleads when I see my own cache in his hands. He's says not ,Knew not , knows not and stole now .
I knew better he was not honest nor would he steal the Truth or my Thoughts and Vote not .

catscratchfever
Your "alternate universe" comment made me think of some of my favorite quotes of Douglas Adams.

"Did you say the world is coming to an end? Shouldn't we all lie on the floor or put paper
bags over our heads?"

"Please relax," said the voice pleasantly, like a stewardess in an airliner with only one wing and two engines, one of which is on fire, "you are perfectly safe."
Liberal solutions sound much like the above.

"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair."
Cleaning up liberal solutions is like the above.




Obama
Douglas Adams in the "The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy"

"He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which."

Left Angle
In a presidential election, who would you vote for out of the following pairs?

Michael Steele vs. Ted Kennedy
Condoleezza Rice vs. Nancy Pelosi
JC Watts vs. John Edwards

Oops! It's dinner time.
I'm out.

Mrs. Paddy
Your songs are great. I love the Good Die Young. You ought see if you can get those recorded and sell them to talk radio shows.

MyOpine
I agree that greed is the overwhelming problem in the housing problems. I couldn't believe it but yesterday McCain actually gave a pretty good speech on it. I still wonder about Soros in other aspects. However, the price of oil has gotten ridiculous. It is the liberal/socialist/ marxist and their enviromental terrorist who have us in this energy pickle now IMO. They oppose nuclear energy, they oppose clean burning coal plants, they oppose drilling in ANWR or just about anywhere else in America, they oppose wind farms in their backyards (ie Kennedys), they support ethanol (heavily subsidized) which actually is now proving to be a reason food prices worldwide are increasing and not as good as they claim, they passed a law supposedly for the enviroment mandating mercury (a flippin NEURO-TOXIN) in lightbulbs... They keep us dependent on the evil overlords of OPEC. Yet all these "bent" fools keep electing them. Are we in an alternate universe?

Gotta go---

Richard
Join the club. I invite you to visit my blog. I pick on Obama pretty heavily, especially lately. You might enjoy some of my parodies. Definitely not PC, but fun.

Mrs. Paddy
Oh yes. Franklin was one of the worst. I guess citing him makes me a racist too.

catscratchfever
Thanks for your nice comment!

Pat said it perfectly
70% illegitimacy
period
end of story.
yes, the fifties were better for us..
yes, better!
Drinking at a black-only water fountain with your mom AND dad present is the better scenario!
Remove the signs(which happened) is best---
No dad around, no good scenario -in any decade!
Go ahead baracko...gloss over that while attempting to have a "discussion on race!

Left Angle
You are making no sense. Almost everyone here has said that they don't approve of government handouts for anyone no matter the race and I agree with them too. So why are you beating this dead horse? We all know that you are trying to call a a bunch of racists for opposing welfare and for opposing anything leftwing for that matter. You are an unthinking crank. You can't even see when you have lost an argument.

Angle
Can you read?

This was my reply to you earlier:

Left Angle: I'm just curious to know why it DOESNT bother you and your brethren that so many poor whites are using entitlement programs?

AZPhil: It does. I think if people can work, they should."

Which somehow went through your racial filter and came out like this:

"We accept poor whites...because statistically speaking per capita they represent a minimum of the whites in the u.s., which is insignificant even though they are using billions of dollars to support them and they still dont match with blacks/hispanics per capita an by percentage...plus they dont ask for "handouts and free stuff by per capita and percentage of the u.s. population.blah blah blah...

Seriously, there's no logical step from my statement to yours...

Richard
Ben Franklin. Wasn't he a charter member of the vast right wing conspiracy?

catscratchfever
I have seen enough evidence to believe greed is the reason we face an economic crisis.
Greed of lenders wanting to finance homes for people who they knew could not sustain the payments.

Greed of buyers who expected home values to keep rising so they could refinance based on the new values.

Many banks are real estate poor and in financial trouble.
Few new home starts mean less demand for everything that goes into a home, from nails to wall paper to toilet paper.

Less money moving in our economy means a slower economy.
There have been housing slumps in the past.
We survived them and we will survive this one too.

I worry more about the extortion we pay for gas.
That can cause a widespread inflation!

We need to ration gas and not give ration books to anyone who has contributed money to any "Greenie" organization that helped to prevent drilling and refining in America.

Richard
Yes and something else that continually just doesn't ring true about Obama, Hillary's, Soros, et al's rhetoric. Most of these people are "kabillionaires," yet none seem to want to give ALL their money and possessions for the poor or downtrodden. As if throwing hard working middle-American taxpayers money is really, really going to fix anything either. Ultimately personal choices and behaviors determine the outcome of almost every individuals life and existence. These people only want more money and more power and could careless. They ALL benefit incredibly off the "free-market" system. Yet they ALL supposedly condemn it. Liberal marxist are hypocrites of the worst kind. They are all pretty sickening in my opinion.

Race- a red herring
The speech got everyone discussing race. I'm sure that would be the preferred issue for Mr. Obama's capaign. They surely do not want it to be about patriotism.

"We accept poor whites...
because statistically speaking per capita they represent a minimum of the whites in the u.s., which is insignificant even though they are using billions of dollars to support them and they still dont match with blacks/hispanics per
capita an by percentage...plus they dont ask for "handouts and free stuff by per capita and percentage of the u.s. population.blah blah blah...

AZPhil
I think that's true in Poland too. How scandalous!

Mrs. Paddy
If you like bawdy humor just read Benjamin Franklin.

Dottie
I've heard that Catholics drink more wine than any other religious denomination in Italy. Can you believe that?

CCF
I occasionally wonder that myself. He is very powerful financial force. Of course guys like LA would say it's the Masons and the Knights of Columbus.

Richard
Well, he'd probably laugh....He gave me my favorite description of the current state of our litigious society (I hope you aren't a lawyer)....
Mental Masturbation.

Again....I apologize. Please forgive my lapse in good taste.

MyOpine---
Thanks for the link!!! I firmly believe Soros is evil incorporated. I must admit, I have fallen into a little conspiracy thinking myself recently...in that I have thought that possibly Soros, et al may have something to do with all this financial instability...

Mrs. Paddy!!
What would Mr. Paddy say?

LA
is a master 'Baiter'....sorry....couldn't resist.

LA
You're a chicken lib racebaiter.

CatScratchFever
Obama has done much already to set back racial progress.
Is conquest the purpose of dividing America?

Do you ever wonder if these Liberals know how George Soros purchased them just like a herd of sheep?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={8 9BC7BB2-298F-4B8D-99DF-A9EA273A0559}

Soros has many herds of sheep, see?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/orgsfundeddirec tly%20.html

Excuse me, LA
You do not know what you are talking about. The poor whites around here vote for Dems--if they bother to vote at all.

just bent---
You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the derrierre. Most conservatives don't continually bring up race, that's what you bent marxist people do. Label, divide by race, gender, ethnicity, culture...identity politics is ALL you do. blah, blah, blah blah...how like a broken record you are.

Is someone projecting
The only person who seems to equate welfare with a race is Left Angle. He seems to think that we think like him apparently which is not the truth. He refused to give us a source (typical of libs) for his drivel, and then when something was reported back, he used further obfuscation to weasel out of the fact that he was trying to turn this into a racist thing.

AZPhil--I have heard tell that Antarctic Penguins are the largest group of government program users in Antarctica--and they are black AND white....wow!

Left Angle
"they dont even think in terms of poor whites on these topics...probably beause you repubs/cons KNOW that this is your bread and butter in the midwest and the south as far as electing repub prez and congressmen.. do they get "handouts and free stuff"? lmao "

This is simply ridiculous. Re-read my answer above. I think the southerners who vote Republican, by and large, run the gamut from lower class to upper class...in other words, all employed, but some make $25K/year and some make 10x that.

The class you're describing (the moonshiners), probably don't vote at all because they are either too lazy, or illiterate, or both. So to call them anyone's "bread and butter" is absurd.

AZphil
No, I'm not Ted, but love his music.

Left
I wasn't laughing. You asked me two questions, and I answered both. Now you are saying this:

"but when you get in a conversation with white republican conservatives on welfare/entitlement programs, They absolutely NEVER
talk about poor whites, it's always blacks/hispanics. why is that?"

Well, most of my conversations take place with white conservatives (even when I am talking to myself), and my experience is the opposite. In fact, just yesterday I was talking to a conservative white guy from Wyoming (no, not Cheney) and all he talked about was what lazy white trash his inlaws (from Oklahoma) were.

LA
Come right out an say it. I gave you the oppurtunity left angle. Your trying to just insinuate. I want to see you come right out an say it.

catchscrath: its the truth...
and you know it...when you talk to a repub/con on welfare/poverty entitlement programs the first thing that comes out of their mouths is some bs like:

"blacks/hispanics vote in mass for democrats because the promise them "hand outs and free stuff"

they dont even think in terms of poor whites on these topics...probably beause you repubs/cons KNOW that this is your bread and butter in the midwest and the south as far as electing repub prez and congressmen.. do they get "handouts and free stuff"? lmao

retired geek
That's one reason to support an organization formed by Star Parker. It's called CURE. One of the telling statistics she refers to is, that of the 45,000 "black" churches in America only 4500 could be considered "conservative." If that is the case you could estimate how many might possibly teach the hatefilled BLT that is destroying large segments of the black community. The numbers are staggering, just as the genocide of young black men by other young black men is a terrible bloody outcome of preaching hatred from the pulpit.

Cat Scratch Fever
You're Ted Nugent, aren't you?

But your point is well-taken. I actually didn't bring up, nor see, any comments about welfare until, well, you know...

azphil: laugh all you want..
but when you get in a conversation with white republican conservatives on welfare/entitlement programs, They absolutely NEVER
talk about poor whites, it's always blacks/hispanics. why is that?

bent from every angle
Actually, the only person that is going on and on about race and welfare is you. When you're questions are answered, you then throw out some mind-numbed robotic demmie talking point. You can not seem to fathom, understand, or reason your way out of a box. You are a classic representatative of what the social/marxist system leads to in diminishing individual's capacity to reason. Some also call it a mental disorder.

Good Black Churches
I was a member of a large black church in the NE.

The pastor preached inclusivenes and personal redemption. I never felt more at home even though I am Scotish.

The church actually had "graduation parties" when a member left the government rolls - delivered from bondage and free.

Several thousand self reliant citizens who were color blind but didn't ask for assistance for their "handicap".

Left Angle
Your question: I'm just curious to know why it DOESNT bother you and your brethren that so many poor whites are using entitlement programs?

My answer: It does. I think if people can work, they should.

I'm also curious as to when the term "welfare recipient" is spoken to you how do you picture that person in your mind?

My answer: I picture a white guy in either the Appalachians or near the Mississippi Valley, lolling in a lawn chair next to a trailer, in his unmowed yard, wearing a wife-beater, and with at least 4 cars up oin blocks surrounding him. And when he's not making moonshine, he's probably getting it on with his daughters.

Dottie
I don't even remember welfare coming up. You are right - I'm kind of offended that anyone is receiving it.

Have you heard the rumor that Peruvians are, by far, the biggest users of government programs in Peru? LA, is that true?

az phil: let me ask you
i know what the terms mean for sure.

I'm just curious to know why it DOESNT bother you and your brethren that so many poor whites are using entitlement programs?

I'm also curious as to when the term "welfare recipient" is spoken to you how do you picture that person in your mind?

Uh, we do complain, LA
I have never once heard anyone say that only blacks or Hispanics should be cut off of welfare. Everyone I know who complains about welfare are totally color-blind about it. We think it is wrong for every able-bodied American, no matter the race or ethnicity.

Where are you getting your information anyway? The Dem party is the party of paternalistic handouts. The Repubs have let us down on give-aways, and they are paying for it within the party.

You have entered your own little world on this one.

LA
See above comments for clarification, and also look up the terms "per capita" and "ratio".

Side note: LOL and LMAO stopped being original -or funny - around the time dial-up modems went away. Seriously, you're wearing a Members Only jacket right now, aren't you?

Ok LA I'll take the bait
I think I know what you trying to get someone to say so I will. Most whites on welfare don't stay on it all their lives.

thevegasstyleguy
And THAT is why you will continue to wallow in self-pity and victimhood for the rest of your days.

Do I understand what you're saying? Unless Tiger Woods, Lewis Hamilton, Colin Powell Condi Rice, Shelby Steel, Bill Cosby, Walter Williams, The great Dr. Thomas Sowell (a hero of mine for many many years), and hundreds of thousands of blacks who're working hard and bettering their lives don't toe the neoliberal, statist, socialist line, that they're cowtowing to "the man" for a few coins thrown into the dust? (Thank you mazza?)

Have you any idea how obscenely racist that is? You can't conceive of all these accomplished men and women arriving at their station in life, believing in what they believe out of their own effortm study and intelligence, but instead are "poverty pimps?

Jesus, that's unbelievable.

You are welcome, AZPhil
I hope we made it simple enough for Left Angle to understand. Gee wiz, facts can be such stubborn things!

By the way, I have it on good authority that Swedish people are, by far, the biggest users of government programs in Sweden.

not only that...
you keep dismmising that whites occupy more of the welfare/entitlement rolls. do you dismiss they are using up more of the MONEY and yet you dont complain?

tell we why ....
I dont hear people such as yourselves ranking on poor whites who are by far the users of government entitlements programs..

why dont I hear you saying that "poor whites vote republican because "they are dependent on
"hand outs and free stuff"...?

why is that lmao

Dottie
"Switching their allegience suddenly made them quite undesirable to the Democrats."

Plus, it was a self-inflicted wound on the part of the dems. After Vietnam, the democrats wanted to include the dope-smoking gay atheist crowd, and grab all the guns. That alienated the white Southern democrats, who as Reagan would say, didn't leave the party - the party left them.

Dottie
Thanks for reiterating my point to LA.

By the way, did you know Japanese people are - by far - the biggest users of government programs in Japan?

Also
Next time someone accuses me of being racist because I want to end welfare, I will just spout out Left Angle's stats and see how far that gets me.

Left Angle, why do you think it is considered racist to want to end welfare? Is that just one of those liberal knee jerk answers that really don't mean anything? Man, this is so liberating!

bent from any angle--
Statement of fact "white people" still are the larges percentage of the population in America, however rapidly changing. Therefore, they should account for the largest percentage for almost every program there is. can't do your figuring out for you...look it up.

Parody to Obama
From the song Call me Irresponsible

Say I have audacity - say it’s perspicacity
Throw out it’s mendacity too!
Do my foolish alibis bore you?
Well I’m just a sophomore Senator, dude!

Say I am articulate - Black folks I’ll emancipate
Rainbow Coalition pursue
Tell me it’s implausible, That Wright wasn’t audible
But it’s undeniably true - I’ve got audacity to fool you.

Left Angle
Do you even have a nodding acquaintanceship with math? The whites in America have a MUCH larger population than blacks or Hispanics (that is why those groups are referred to as minorities). Yes, in head counts, whites are the group with the largest number, but in percentages, they are much LESS likely to receive aid. Look up the per capita expense yourself if you do not believe me.

I hear what you are saying AZPhil! Switching their allegience suddenly made them quite undesirable to the Democrats.

LA
"white people are by far the users of u.s government entitlement programs."

That's probably true, but also meaningless. White people make up what, 75-80% of the population? So you could say "white people are by far the biggest users of toilet paper", or "white people are by far the biggest users of gasoline", or "white people are by far the biggest users of milk", and it would mean nothing.

Sowell superb, as usual
As his column suggests, it is impressionable young black people who are most injured by the bitter, resentful approach of a leader like Jeremiah Wright.

One of the saddest things about this whole episode is how it has showcased a pastor like Wright, and left an erroneous impression that he is "the" typical African-American Christian teacher.

Just off the top of my head, I think of the following Christian teachers whose message is simply that of the gospel, who are successful, well-known, and telegenic: T.D. Jakes, Myles Munroe, Creflo Dollar, Frederick Price. There are many more. One of the most spiritually mature Christian leaders I ever knew was an African-American Air Force chaplain from the Churches of God in Christ (COGIC), who led a workplace Bible study -- and he would condemn the practice of anyone wasting God's time with His people by riding political hobby-horses from the pulpit.

There is a lot more grace, good sense, and optimism in the African-American Christian community than Obama's apologists in the media and politics can know. It is painful to see them lumped in with political hobbyists like Wright. But of course, they'll come about. Their light can't be hidden under a bushel basket.

dottie/icedog: a statement of fact
"white people are by far the users of u.s government entitlement programs."

that is a undisputed fact and i challenge you to prove it to be wrong.

and yes look it up for yourself. I'm not going to do your work for you.

Dottie
You know what's the funniest thing of all? For about 100 years after the Civil War, southern whites almost always voted for democrats, who referred to them as "working-class heroes", or "hardworking blue-collar Americans" or "the salt of the earth". Now they call the exact same lower-middle class Southern whites "Redneck Republicans". It cracks me up.

Left Angle
It took a few hours, but we finally got the standard Left Angle response I knew was coming...."Look it up yourself".

Sadly, you probably view this as an actual response.

Well, Left Angle
I have googled, and a couple of thoughts come to mind....one is 63.8% of statistics are made up on the spot. The second is that you are so full of "it" that you probably need to wipe your ears.

I did find that app. 15% of people in rural areas are poor as opposed to app. 12% in urban areas. I found that blacks are 3 times more likely to be on welfare than whites, and Hispanics are twice as likely to be on welfare as whites. I did not find political affiliation--yet, and I have doubts that I will.

I really would not care if 100% of welfare recipients were white Republicans, I would still say they needed to be cut off! Welfare is a soul sucker!

Richard
I wanted to delete the "omm" and the "is", but TH finds that objectionable for some reason...though not if Jane Fonda says it on live TV.

CW ---
Good post!!! So true, so true. The mayor of Detroit just did the same thing. 2 weeks ago he came out giving a defiant speech to those wanting him to step down. He raged on about being called the notorious "n" word for about the first time in his life which in of itself shows how much white america has changed in 50 years.) Yet, funny thing is the people who brought this case against him are all Americans of African descent. He fired these black officers for letting the cat out of the bag on his affair with his assistance. That's against the Federal sexual harrasment laws. It isn't even the evil whitey that had anything to do with his entire fiasco. You are correct. I now see that is the line Wright is now trying to use. The big O is currently hiding out in the Carribean. I guess all of us white devils chased him there as well...

AZPhil
I'm surprised you did not come in on this one sooner. I like that "Her Royal Communist".

Motive
Cops look for a motive when a crime has been committed. When I ask myself "Who has the most to gain by smearing Obama?", the answer is NOT McCain or any Republican; it is Her Royal Communist, aka HRC.

Wright schmite
Wright is canceling out at the behest of the Obama campaign. They fear that more vidoe footage of him ranting against America and Whitey will turn up on YouTube.

Left Angle, please calm yourself
You are getting very worked up, and I fear for your heart. I have never had any respect for Obama because of his seeming inability to take a strong stand. He seems to like to vote present an awful lot. He was simply the beneficiary of a scandal on the Republican side when he won his US Senate seat. He has never shown himself to be extraordinary in any way.

You seem to have borrowed a page out of Obama's book--use obfuscation and indignation. You came up with a shady statistic, and many of us asked you to cite your source. Is it possible that this is truly the source of your bluster?

It Get’s Worse
Now we have the disgusting spectacle of the good Rev. Wright pretending to be afraid of vengeful white folks, so he’s canceling public appearances. It reminds me of Hillary blaming Bill’s Monica episode on a “vast, right-wing conspiracy,” when she knew all along the story was true. And it’s a brilliant strategy, I have to admit. In the eyes of the ignorant public it turns Wright from a nasty, hate-spewing, nutcase into a victim, once again, of white bullies. Touché, Rev. Wright.

But I’m not fooled. I know that since Wright’s been exposed what he’s really afraid of is facing an audience where not everyone is shrieking their agreement, and where there might now be some who stand up in defense of their country and fellow citizens. This might be embarrassing. It might damage his ego. So if he has to fuel the fires of the very racism he decries in order to change the subject, so be it. This is the way of the Left.

Wrong
It's not paranoid or rediculous to predict the outcome of socialized medicine, opening the borders, degenerating our culture in favor of some vague concept called multiculturism, raising taxes, increasing regulation, and further expanding the groups rights over individual rights. We have history on our side. We can look to our history and the history of other nations to show that the crap just does not work and leads to a slow demise of the society.

Your guys are going around bragging up European and Canandian healthcare while the poor Europeans and Canadians are trying figure out how to pay for the systems they have. The only thing that has allowed the Canadian system to survive is that Canadians with the money to do so come here to get the medical they would have to wait for months to get.

Socialism, Communism, Fabianism, Nazism, Liberalism, and Progressivism are all miserable failures and to persist in supporting them is stupidity.

richard: evdenly you dont read
some of the more assinine comments about what repubs/cons are predicting if either becomes prez of the u.s. I am not making any of this stuff up I printed above and those are just the milder versions.

if you truly wan to see a stupid blind idiot being led to the polls,
LOOK IN THE MIRROR..LOL

Left Nut
I have never seen anyone espousing any conspiracy theories here. The only conspiracy theories I have ever seen on Town Hall come from leftist nuts like you.

We are only pointing out that both Clinton and Obama believe in and espouse fervantly stupid leftwing ideas. They completely ignore the lessons of the last century and persist in believing that all we have to do is spend more, tax more, regulate more, legislate more, supervise more and we will achieve Utopia.

I don't think there is any conspriacy on the part either of them. To say they are planning anything so elaborate would be to accuse them of being intelligent. Something I am not about to do. They are just stupid blind idiots leading stupid blind idiots to the polls.

Retired Geek: says it all
I never said I know what is in Obama's mind...
YOU REPUBS/CONS are the ones saying it and I find your conclusions hillarious..read my post above on you repub/con conspiracey theories..
I didnt make those up, they were taken from statements I've read in TH by your right wing brethren...

retarded development?

when it comes to Obama/Hillary you guys are demented, paranoid, and delusional to say the least.

No Left Angle your the crock of BS
You can't back up anything you say. What I say is evident in his words, on the rare occasions when he actually says anything of substance, and on his program.

What is his stand on black racism? he excuses it. Well anyone can make excuses for white racists, the Democratic Party maintained its control of the South for a hundred years making excuses for white racism. Now they just turn it around in the interest of continuing to keep blacks on their plantation.

What is his program for change? Nothing new, just more government. He's a marxist Dukakis with a slightly darker complexion.

Take a look at his past. Who has he associated with? Communists and all sorts of other radicals. He was mentored in his youth by some Communist and then when he decided to become a black politician he put himself under the tutelage of racist hatemongering preacher.

To teach my kids about relationships I put one spot free apple into a paper bag with two bruised and battered apples and left them there. What do you think the result was? The same thing that happens with people allow them selves to packed in with garbage; the good apple turned rotten.

You can try to say that Jesus consorted with the tax collectors, prostitues and other sinners but it is different. Jesus said to them, "Repent, and go sin no more." Obama just said, "hey, don't worry brother, I feel your pain." Then promptly drove his camaign bus over his dead grandmother and Geraldine Ferraro.

Left Angle and mind reading
I am trying to understand your "dyslexic logic".

You know what is in Obamas mind but no one else can determine his intentions by analyzing who he prefers as mentors or by his actions that speak louder than words?

Liberals are trapped in limbo, neither children nor adults. Inane comments and name calling are typical of the immature mind. Your arrested development is more obvious than your declarations.

Perhaps you can read my mind and what I think of you!

New Repub/Con Conspiracy Theories
lets get this straight for once and for all.
according to repub/con sources...

Sen. Barack Obama (D) is secretly aligned with Al Qaeda, radical muslim groups, american black supremist, anti-american hate groups who secretly plan on taking over the U.S. government should he be elected prezident.

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D) is aligned with Socialist/Communits groups who will convert the U.S. government from a democracy to a socialist/communist one party system,in which she and her husband bill clinton will be Co-dictators and the republican party and its leaders will be banished and/or killed, should she be elected president of the U.S.

either way if either of them are elected, it's the "END OF THE U.S. "AS WE KNOW IT"

VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!
Sen. Hill

richard: you a full of bs
and starting to stink...what you are actually doing is throwing YOUR interpretation on what YOU THINK OBAMA thinks and just like practically everything repubs/cons think on issues of race, you dont know what the heck youre talking about.

yeah right, Obama will make the "terrorist" tapdance because he will go "easy on em" should he be elected potus..

and hillary will turn the U.S. government into a communist/socialist state of affairs...

rotflmoa, where do you guys get this bs...?

Left Angle
He won't "turn the country over"to them,but where will his allegience lie? That is what I am afraid of.These are people who may have a place in an Obama administration,as advisors or partners.Not in the open,but there,anyway.

I do believe he has been groomed for greatness by his backers.We need to know who his backers are and what they expect from him if he becomes the leader of the free world.That is only being prudent.

catscratch/left angle
First off, GREAT POST catscratch fever! The MSM does address the "genocide", however, they address it under the heading of "gun violence". Sadly, it's only when a minority is murdered by someone other than their own race does the who's who become a story and a statistic. Like liberal thought, it's all a matter of what issue is politically convenient to the story rather than the reality of the story.

Left Angle, you're hilarious... "the bottomline motive for repubs/cons is to destroy obama's thus far highly successful campaign for dem prez candidate, by any means neccessary and shows a aharpening of knives by tipping their hand at one of the prime strategiew they will use against him should he win the dem nomination: 'character assasination'

nothing new here, its typical of the rnc 'slime/dirty tricks machine' for whom a win is a win is win."

Congratulations... you just described what the Clinton campaign has been doing since the MSM love fest moved into Barack's corner! It wasn't the RNC that brought up race. It wasn't the RNC that said, "So what? Jesse Jackson won South Carolina, too." It wasn't the RNC who distributed a pic of Obama in "Arab garb" in the hopes of creating an Islamophobia falsehood. It wasn't the RNC who ridiculously accused Obama of plagiarism and it isn't the RNC who's been "sharpening knives". Nope, we Repubs have been too busy picking on our OWN candidate - something libs are not familiar with(going after their own). We'll gladly attack Obama on his pathetic, welfare-state issues. But it's the Clinton campaign who trashes Obama on everything BUT the issues. The best they do is split hairs over who's healthcare program is more beneficial. The Clinton campaign CAN'T take on Obama on the issues because their issues are so disgustingly similar that one might say they're - to paraphrase - "issues you can Xerox".

Left Angle
Sorry, paradigm means world view. Did not mean to act superiour by using a big word you may not understand.

Rowly: so why is he running for prez?
to turn the country over to Farrakan, Wright, Marzook and Al Qaeda?

is that it?

Left Angle
Yes it is legitimate to bring up this man's Pastor. He said in his own words that the pastor has had the most profound affect on who he is. And it does not surprise me. Obama may well believe he doesn't agree, but as I already said earlier, he may as well because Wrights paranoid view of the world is not much different from the Obama paradigm. He believes just as much as Wright that anything bad that befalls a black person is the result of racism and has nothing to do with that individuals personal choices. He also believes every group and person in America are not responsible for themselves as well as blacks. If he had his way we would all have some person with a PHD following us around to make all our choices and wipe our butts for us.

Obama may not come right out and and say GD America, but he sits in the pew and cheers it on and then carries it into his politics under the guise of "fairness and compassion for the little people".

ScottK
I don't disagree with that.

My thought was that Obama or Hillary will be replacing existing liberal members that may want to retire so the SCOTUS balance remains unchanged. No Coservative will retire the SCOTUS with Hillary or Obama at helm. Again we are still dealing with "What ifs". An untimely death for a conservative judge with Hillary or Obama at the helm would not be good. At any rate, the whole thing is a gamble, but a bet worth taking as alternatives are worse.

Also, POTUS does appoint other judges besides the supremes. Bush has several in limbo mode right now as the Democrats are refusing up or down votes in hopes of stalling past the elections in hopes of a Hillary or Obama win.

Left Angle
If anyone has assasinated Obama's character,it is Obama.Not sure what his character was to begin with.It sure is not what mine is.Try as you may,you cannot justify his hanging with anti-American people.Forget race...Anti-American!

Can you justify Louis Farrakhan?Mousa Abu Marzook? Jeremiah Wright? Don't know who Mazook is?Then you really don't know Obama,do you?You just think you do.

I do not apologize for my fear of him.He is bad news for patriotic Americans.He does not want what is best for our country.His campaign has been successful so far because he is unknown.The news media is falling down on their job.They are ready for a left-wing leader.The rest of us are not.

ngreg the california..
dude, I'm quite sure you understood what I'm saying otherwise you wouldnt be responding to it.

this mock "outrage' by repubs/cons in pure bs
and has nothing to do with race.

youre desperation is showing and your overreation to rev wright shows it.

heck if i had a bad repub incumbent prez..a bad war in iraq and a bad economy, Id' jump on any shred of bs like the wright "controversy" to destroy the dems too, trouble is it aint gonna work except for people like you who wasnt going to vote for him in the first place..lmao

Left Angle
Did you not read my post? I'm still waiting for you to cite your source.

Complete Sentences, Please!
Left Angel Deary, put down the text message mentality and walk away slowly. This game is played using complete sentences to express rational thought. I wouldn’t want you to hurt yourself.

More truth from Dr. Sowell
America needs a discussion of race, but it is black America that isn't ready for that discussion. I work with black folks and live in an integrated neighborhood in surburbia, not the inner city.

We speak openly with each other, and we are just as concerned about life as anyone else. We care about the education our kids are getting, about the high taxes we pay, about the do-nothing politicians and their constant lies.

Yet, when it comes to race, even the most open minded of my black friends and neighbors still have this attitude of resentment. Despite all that we have done as a nation to change the things that were wrong, it is stll the fault of white people that blacks have problems.

Unless and until that attitude changes, we will not be able to have that discussion. Sadly, Barack Obama is not living up to the promise he holds out. Those who want to follow his call to change will be severely disappointed if he is elected. It will be more of the same old elite politics, Democrat version, and will do nothing to heal the divisions.

We can only imagine what the result will be if he loses either the nomination or the election. Will blacks think it was simply a hard fought election or will they assign racism as the cause of Senator Obama's loss? I guess we will see.

Amygirl
And let's not forget the seniors who've been forced to pay into the Social Security and Medicare scam all of their adult lives and, like corporations who dissolve the pensions of their workers, will most likely find themselves without the benefits that they were promised and which they paid for.

If Social Security wasn't so eager to fork over bennies to drunks, drug addicts, fatties and anyone with a backache, maybe, just maybe, the system might have had time to fulfill its promises.

In any case, those who're so friggin' eager to have Hillarycare or Obamacare, ought to stop and look at the incredible incompetence with which the present federal health and welfare systems are run.

Even though I already have my own private health insurance through Blue Cross, the feds are forcing me to pay $1200 a year for Medicare. I don't want it and can't use it, but my wishes don't count.

Stick your socialized medicine up where the sun don't shine.

bogus repub/con "outrage"
over comments of rev wright on race, while trying to morph sen obama into him by guilt by association, having his inflatory rhetoric come out of obmas' mouth is pure bs and has absolutely nothing to do with race at all.

the bottomline motive for repubs/cons is to destroy obama's thus far highly successful campaign for dem prez candidate, by any means neccessary and shows a aharpening of knives by tipping their hand at one of the prime strategiew they will use against him should he win the dem nomination: "character assasination"

nothing new here, its typical of the rnc "slime/dirty tricks machine" for whom a win is a win is win.

Obama fork tongue
As usual a very insightful article. It is inconceivable that a person could sit and listen for 20 years Sunday after Sunday the bile that Rev.Wright was preaching and not have it influence his thinking. Obama admitted the Rev. was a strong influence in his life (who is he kidding)

Obama on Crime
Obama mentioned crime in his 46 page "Obama Blue Print for Change".

Obamas' War on Crime:
Obama will strengthen federal hate crimes legislation and reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice’s Criminal Section.

Obama Solutions For Combating Recidivism:
Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Support

Obama's war on drugs:
Obama will give first-time, non-violent offenders a chance to serve their sentence, where appropriate, in the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad
behavior.

Obama experience on combating crime:
Obama set out to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued by crime and high unemployment.

If anyone else can find additional crime fighting solutions by Obama - inform us.

Obama doesn't know about the 14,000 plus murders last year.

Obama doesn't know about gang violence that plagues our cities.

Obama didn't know about racism and hate speech in his own church.

"Obama doesn't know" should be the rallying cry instead of "Change we can believe in"

God bless you Dr. Sowell!!
No truer words have ever been said when you wrote: "While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for decades to come.

Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have."

And as they say the proof is in the pudding... A horrific and tragic consequence of this preaching of hate is seen daily all across America. It is the genocide occuring in the black community. Over 30,000 that's THIRTY THOUSAND+ young black men have been slaughtered by other black men in the last 5 years. Yet barely a word is heard. Not one protest sign, no blood thrown on catholic parishoners in protest, no million man march against it, no daily body count on the MSM news, no 30,000 crosses displayed in parks across America...the silence is deafening and no less deadly.

Retired Geek
Could you image running a business this way..."You employees who do what you were hired to do get a special bonus! However, those of you who continue to do nothing, you will only get your regular paycheck." Where do we sign up?

And let's not forget
the seniors. We need to tax, tax, tax for SS and Medicare and Medicaid, even though it probably will not be there for most of the people who are taxpayers right now.

Dr. Sowell keep shining your Light
Obama on Education
“I don’t want to send another generation of American children to failing
schools. I don’t want that future for my daughters. I don’t want that
future for your sons. I do not want that future for America.”
- Barack Obama
Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, Des Moines, Iowa
November 10, 2007
-------------------------------------------------

Obama Solution: Determine those teachers that ARE doing their job and pay them more because they are doing what they were hired to do.

Obama doesn't tell us whether preferences, quotas or affirmative action will be used to determine those teachers who are doing their job.

Teachers who are causing the "failing schools" will continue to teach at their current salary - according to the Obama plan.

It is estimated that 3.2 million teachers will teach the 49.6 million students in 2007-2008.

Logically one could conclude that a significant nimber of teachers are contributing to the "failing schools" syndrome. Assume 10%, that means 320,000 teachers are teaching 4,960,000 students - that leaves each state (on average) with 100,000 students with a failed education.

Obama states that this is change we can believe in.




And let's not forget
the seniors. We need to tax, tax, tax for SS and Medicare and Medicaid, even though it probably will not be there for most of the people who are taxpayers right now.

Sounds like
Skywalker81 - The picture you paint sounds like the entire Democrat Party. If they don't convince at least a good number of people, black, white or purple, that they are victims, they have no chance of keeping up that tax and spend ripoff they've been running since the days of LBJ.

Great Article, Mr. Sowell
He hits the nail on the head again. Obama's attempt at masking twenty years of his own actions is nothing but damage control.

The rhetoric of Reverand Wright goes to the very heart of what is wrong with modern race relations. There will be no understanding between the races as long as it is acceptable for one particular race to openly hate another. Wright's comments do no service to his constituents; in fact, the words actually harm them in many ways. If Obama is so intelligent, he should understand how much damage people like Wright impart on others, and Obama should have immediately distanced himself from it.

Post Racial Segregationists
I want to once again add my endorsement of Dr. Sowell, his way of thinking and his eloquent written word. I’ve been waiting for him to further elaborate on the subject of Obama Phenomenon, particularly as it relates to being black in America.

Dr. Sowell’s post here only another opinion framing an assertion regarding alignment of oneself with demagogues, anarchists and fools. Many more above subsequently pointed that Obama has received support from several personalities and politicians that reflect his Marxist proclivities. That makes me queasier.

The unique part of the above article is it was organized by an intellectual mind and expressed by a black man who quoted from another intellectual black man’s book in making his argument. Fortunately, there are real post racial segregationists in this country,

The thought that the Democrat Party has once again anxiously embraced socialist candidates for President as a means for making life “fair” is the epitome of stupid, as defined by doing the same thing over and over again (Mondale, Carter, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry) and expecting a different result each time.

refatsew
Please explain to us what "strong character means"?

western bondbeam 11:16 AM post.
Western writes, "Icedog, SCOTUS appointments are always questionable and are a gamble no matter who is president."

Not quite.

If either the Obama or Queen Hillary is POTUS, their 2 or 3 leftist pics are a pure slam dunk. Only if McCain sits in the Oval Office, could it be a gamble. But I'll take that bet.

Icedog is spot on. SCOTUS is one of the main reasons why neither one of those two socialists should ever be allowed inside the People's House.

Left Angle
Left Angle claims: "The primary beneficiaires of handouts of entitlement programs are poor rural white people that vote republican. guess they would rather sit on their arses and collect "handouts and free stuff" from the federal government because they dont want to "work hard" to improve their lot in life. that is also why they vote in mass for republicans."

Can you cite your source for that claim?

I've not looked it up recently, but last time I saw the statistics, the majority went to poor whites, hispanics and blacks in urban areas in places like New York, Los Angeles, Detroit, New Orleans, etc. And while you're correct in stating that more whites collect bennies, entitlements and welfare than blacks, as a percestage of the population, blacks are on the dole at a far greater rate than whitey. That's not to be construed as an excuse for whitey. Far from it. A white bum is no better than a black or Hispanic bum.

And the poor in urban areas vote Democrat in far greater numbers than vote Republican, not that it makes any difference. A Republican bum is no better than a Democrat bum.

Left Angle
You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

Liberals know the 'truth' because the delusions of their mind become facts.

Take a "big boy pill" and grow up.


refatsew
Obama may not support or believe in the virulent racism that his pastor espouses but he may as well. As a Leftist he relies on the same mentality and sentiment to support his political program: more government, more socialism, more more handouts etc... He is still steeped in the same fallacious ideology that all the problems still exist because the government has not: spent enough, legislated enough, regulated enough, and so forth and so on.

He is part of the same perpetual grievance machine that created Jackson, Sharpton, Conyers, Rangel and Wright. As long as they reign supreme there will never be the allowance that naything has change or that anything at all has ever been done. It does not get them votes or money to say that "whitey has tried or is trying". There will never be enough for Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, Rockefeller, Jackson, Sharpton, etc...

Black and White
I wonder if B.O. and Pastor Wright hate because they are half white or half black?

Obama is a con man
He has talked about NOTHING the whole time he has been running for president. He is like a pied piper. He talks and talks, and says nothing.

He finally says something, and it is contempt for white people He tries to cover it, but he does hold whites in contempt, and if you would just stop, and listen, you would hear it. If you would look at his actions, you would see it.

He has played the political system from the get go, just like any other sleezy politician. Those of you who keep slobbering after this guy are doing so to your own distruction.

Icedog
Phylo thinks he's the brightest bulb on the tree, yet seems to me to be one of the most naive and ill-informed people to post on TH. (For one thing, Phylo does not believe in an (objective) reality.)

As far as Phylo's love affair with Obama, he is enthralled with BHO's sugary rhetoric - all sweetness and no substance.

"The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force." (Adolf Hitler)

Of course, Phylo imagines himself a person apart from the plebian masses, but in fact he is a member in very good standing. Can you say lemming, boys and girls?



Left Angle
Please cite a source as I am having a hard time with your story. I am all for cutting all able-bodied people off the dole...white or black. Nobody is entitled to money that is not earned.

Left Angle
Can you prove that. I have known the variety of people you allude to and they vote Democrat, if they bother to vote at all.

the primary beneficiaires of handouts
of entitlement programs are poor rural white people that vote republican. guess they would rather sit on their arses and collect "handouts and free stuff" from the federal government because they dont want to "work hard" to improve their lot in life. that is also why they vote in mass for republicans.

Barack Obama
In 1983 Barack Obama graduated from Columbia University and while still in his mid twenties began working as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago. Having grown up without a father and in a non religious environment, it was then that he began attending Trinity United Church of Christ and met the pastor of the church, Rev. Wright, a black man 20 years his senior, who became influential in his life and became part of his family, his “adopted uncle”, and who helped Barack Obama become a Christian believer.
Barack Obama has vigorously denounced Wright's hyperbolic, 1960s style radical rhetoric that Wright used in his sermons of 2001 and that is based on Wright's extreme anger and bitterness which Obama understands but doesn't share. But Barack Obama has refused to disown his "adopted uncle" simply for political expediency.
Disagree with his liberalism if you want, but Barack Obama is a man of superior intelligence and strong character.

Richard
I'm afraid you're right, McCain would never take advice from Dr Sowell and what a shame for the future of our great country!

Icedog
SCOTUS apptments are always questionable and are a gamble no matter who is president.

One thing with McCain Presidency is the remaining liberal SCOTUS will hang on until they DIE before letting a possible conservative take their spot. With OBAMAHILLARY- The liberals that want to retire can do so without upsetting the balance as more liberals will simply replace them. If a conservative SCOTUS dies with a OBAMAHILLARY White House, then that could lead to trouble.

Clearly though the SCOTUS situation has a lot of "ifs" surrounding it.


Their base
Thomas Sowell was spot on when he said, "Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them?"

There's a couple of reasons why the "caused by whites" excuse runs rampant. For one, without that such "preachers" and "activists" like Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc. would all be out of jobs. The other reason is because without these excuses, there's no one else to blame but themselves and a core liberal philosophy is to never accept blame or responsibility for anything; it's everyone else's fault therefore it's everyone else's job as well as the government's to fix the consequences of their own personal choices. So without blaming everyone else and without excuses of "the man" holding everyone down, liberal Democrats would lose their base. What they essentially do is nothing more than recycle votes. How else can one explain why the left makes promise after promise only to stab their supporters in the back and then.... they blame "the right" when the poor is still poor because it's always convenient and all they know is to point fingers rather than look in mirrors.

This is NOT to say that racism doesn't exist at all and that it's ALL excuses, but racism is in no way shape or form at the level that it once was nor is it at the level that these "activists" want us to believe. If it were, neither Obama or any other minority would be in some of the positions they are in nor would they have been able to accomplish what they have. And what they've accomplished they've EARNED through HARD WORK and not through government hand-outs, set-asides and quotas. And they certainly didn't do it by sitting around and blaming everyone else. They usually wait until their in power to do that in order to keep their base.

Victims
Senator Obama turned a Rev. Wright sermon on blame white America into an eloquent speech on racism. Same words with a different twist. The blame white America game is over.

Blacks are victims because of their own black leaders and professional, political parasites who keep them on the dole and in poverty where neighborhoods are turned into ghettos and criminal gangs thrive 24/7.

Crime is rampant in black neighborhoods when the neighbors allow it to begin and grow into killings, robberies and drug dealers who are destroying each other and then blame everybody else except their neighbors for their misery.

Lumberjack
I agree with you as well and your point is taken.

Anymore, fat fingered bureaucrats stand on both sides of the fence. Somebody needs to teach them how to use a pair of sissors and start cutting some of the red tape out of the system.

Of course they will just tell us we need another bureaucrat to do the cutting.

Dr.S.
In the true Democrat tradition; if "o" really was for the working class black or white he would secure the borders. This would keep working Americans in a job and crush McNasty and Juan Hernandez scamnesty plans. But after seeing his tax returns I now realize that like so much of the Democratic leadership he has no concept of working America.

Gideon
One major problem with your srategy...the two, or possibly three extremely leftist SCOTUS judges Obama would appoint would be wrecking our country and causing havoc for 20 years or more.

The SCOTUS surpassed the executive branch in its ability to shape our country about 36 years ago.

western bondbeam writes:
Lumberjack
"BTW, Phylo, name me one government entitlement program that has not been initially underfunded, then given massive increases in funding, been efficiently run, is not overrrun with bureaucrats, and actually accomplishes what it is supposed to do"
--------------

This describes ALL government programs, not just the entitlement programs. Technology can help with efficiency if not for bureaucrats.

I agree, but my point was that Braindead, and the Witch are proposing massive new entitlement programs, which will be exactly like my description of all the currently existing programs.

Jim, sorry, there is no influencing
McCain. He is Bob Dole's mini me. He thinks he already knows everything he needs to know and there is no more room for information in his little brain for "useless" right wing opinions. Ted Kennedy already filled it up.

The Great Divider.

Kudos Dr. Sowell for your continued insights into what we are all facing as a country.

Thankfully, more and more people are coming to their senses as we are (painfully) finding out who this Obama character really is. The upcoming Pennsylvania primary should be most telling.

I also wonder, "Can the rest of us have some of what Phylo's been smoking?"

On second thought, maybe not.

Lumberjack
"BTW, Phylo, name me one government entitlement program that has not been initially underfunded, then given massive increases in funding, been efficiently run, is not overrrun with bureaucrats, and actually accomplishes what it is supposed to do"
--------------

This describes ALL government programs, not just the entitlement programs. Technology can help with efficiency if not for bureaucrats.

Phylo
Really? Obama "is going to pay for it"?

Thank God, I thought he was just going to tax us to death....I guess the salary for "neighborhood organizer" in Chicago is friggin' unreal!

Excellent, Excellent
Thomas Sowell for president!

Is there anyway of making this happen?

If not how about Repub VP candidate and make sure McCain gets Thomas' full input on any decision!

Phylo is a dim bulb
The Producer-Consumer conflict is inherent in the human individual. Every last one of us — (maybe Phylo and his sophist socialist ilk will lie about this) — wants to get paid as much as possible for his time, labor and produce, while simultaneously wanting to pay as little as possible for the "other guy's" time, labor and produce.
Nothing good can come of trying to institutionalize this inherent human conflict. The coercion-based powers of enforcement-by-terror "government" (actually just a stupid human pecking order struggle) cannot solve the problem. It can only be dealt with logically by a free marketplace comprised of willing sellers and willing buyers in an atmosphere 100% devoid of "government" coercion.
If left free to choose and be accountable and responsible for his own life choices, the human individual will naturally channel his labor into what he feels will benefit (pay) him most.
Sophist control-freak losers like Phylo cannot wrap their brains around such simple and self-evident facts of Nature. That's why it is an utter waste of time to try to have a meaningful and intellectually honest discussion of ideas with them.
Coulter's logic is impeccable. America's choice is between 1) left-moving McCain presidency = disaster followed by a generation of socialist rule, vs 2) DEM presidency = disaster with GOP legislators fighting ferociously in fierce opposition for four years followed by libertarian landslide and renewal of "small govt" GOP.
For me, it's a no-brainer: Billary is a power-hungry, personality-disordered cancer on the American body politic. So — Obama 2008!

Phylo Out of His Mind Writes:
Icedog
I believe he has also said how he would pay for all of that.

Also, his health care plan will save the average family $2500 a year on their premiums. And he wants tax relief for people making under a hundred grand.

There's no question Obama is more liberal than righties on some issues, particularly health care. But don't let these right wing gasbags convince you that he's a Marxist. He says over and over again that he is a capitalist and a huge supporter of entrepreneurism.

Even if all of the Bush Tax Cuts at all levels were repealed, it would still take an additional $150 billion dollars annually to pay for either Braindead's or the Wicked Witch of Chappaqua's new entitlements.

BTW, Phylo, name me one government entitlement program that has not been initially underfunded, then given massive increases in funding, been efficiently run, is not overrrun with bureaucrats, and actually accomplishes what it is supposed to do.

OBAMA'S SPLIT PERSONALITY

.....Dr, Sowell ...Brilliant!

.....What I find interesting is that when Obama sought "racial identity" he rejected his white half ...this sounds like a man with a problem to me ...

.....To reject half of what you are means suppression of self and inner conflict ...I think Mr. Obama would benefit from several sessions on a psychiatrist's couch .....COLOSSUS

Phylo
Yes he said he would pay for by taxing "the rich" the people who already pay something like 70% of all imcome taxes collected. That well is dry.

That family that makes less than 100,000 will then get smacked with a big tax hike after the Bush tax cuts expire. They will also end up with Canada style crappy health care for all the money that he will screw out of them.

I made about 75,000 this year and my income tax bill was about 300.00. Later this spring I will be getting 2400.00 hand out. Does that make sense. The people who made more money and actually had to pay income tax will get nothing or next to nothing on their "tax rebate".

Obama did not teach Constitutional Law, he taught how liberals get around and pervert the constitution.

Icedog
I believe he has also said how he would pay for all of that.

Also, his health care plan will save the average family $2500 a year on their premiums. And he wants tax relief for people making under a hundred grand.

There's no question Obama is more liberal than righties on some issues, particularly health care. But don't let these right wing gasbags convince you that he's a Marxist. He says over and over again that he is a capitalist and a huge supporter of entrepreneurism.

Read his books if you want to know the man, and how he would govern. I promise, you will be impressed. Particularly check out his critique of the concept of a "strict constructionist". He taught Constitutional law at the University of Chicago, you know.

Phylo out.

Phylo
You are the sophist. You can't get away with just saying it's just three sound bites. It is the content of those soundbites. It exposes the very soul of that man. He is a hatemonger who spreads his ill thinking where ever he goes. There are a myriad of white people whose careers and been ended or severey alter because of one statement: Don Imus, Trent Lott, Geraldine Ferroro, Mel Gibson etc... Why are they harassed and harangued for one statement and we are supposed to exuse three from this man?

Wasn't the argument against Lott and Imus that the one little statement revealed their true hearts and thus they are discredited and should just go away somewhere to die?

Rich D
Huh?

Are you trying to be funny or something?

Conservatives and humor? Not so much.

A simple question
Dear Barack,

If you could not change the heart of Reverend Wright in 20 years, how do you expect to unite the country ?

Sincerely,

Tibby

Phylo
Again, you're strong on rhetoric and opinion, but paper-thin on facts or evidence.

My favorite line:

"Read Obama's books and you'll see that his thinking is very much influenced by the best aspect of conservatism; self-reliance, fiscal responsibility, a humble foreign policy, transparency in government. He's probably more like Reagan than Bush is."

Here, I'll help you out....here's the bill to fund just 111 of Obama's 188 spending proposals:

- $1.4 trillion over 5 years

-- This new spending, if enacted, would represent an almost 10% increase over our FY 2009 budget.

-- This $300 billion spending proposal would cost more than 42 states’ budgets combined

-- More than the United States spent last year on imported oil ($294 billion net).

-- More than 60% larger than any one-year federal spending increase, ever.


...and this only to fund 59% of his current "promises"..."fiscal responsibility" indeed!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25496


Sorry, Phylo
Phylo Se Fiser writes: Wednesday, March, 26, 2008 9:16 AM

"He's trying to point out that both black people and white people are misunderstanding each other."

Sorry that you were mugged and relieved of your dough, Phylo, as you left the ATM. It was all a misunderstanding.

Perspicacious as usual
Dr. Sowell, you've nailed it again. Obama is a Marxist, he is slick, mouthing empty shells that somehow echo the dreams of a large naive portion of our citizenry, and he is dissembling, doing his darnedest to deflect questions about his record and saying just about anything in the process, no matter how contradictory.

His repeated votes against the born alive infants protection act and denials about his votes and statements are a glaring testimony to his lack of integrity and credulity. His promises to spend a billion dollars on government programs reveal more of his disdain for the Constitution and self-government.

I agree with others here who have said the fawning media have had a large part to play (and to blame) in the meteoric rise of a well polished snake oil salesman. Wake up, people!

For the Foundation (1 Cor. 3:11) of the Founders ><>

Sowell's sophistry
Sowell is also playing on the fact that too many of you are basing your unyielding opinions about Dr, Wright based an way too little information.

Here's a quote from a man who knows Dr. Wright much better than you folks.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a critical time in America's history as we seek to repent of our racism. No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again to one another and not to distort one another's truth," - Dean J. Snyder, Foundry United Methodist Church, March 19, 2008. Snyder is Hillary Clinton's pastor.

Dare to think for yourselves folks. People like Thomas Sowell are urinating on your heads and telling you it's raining.

Sowell's sophistry
Sowell wrote: "One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment by his grandmother -- "a typical white person," he says -- with an organized campaign of public vilification of America in general and white America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright.

Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look similar verbally, however different they are in the real world."



The right wing gas bags have been hung up on this issue of Obama's supposed "moral equivalency". They want you to believe that Obama doesn't understand that public comments by his pastor would be more morally troublesome than private comments uttered by his grandma.

First of all, Obama wasn't addressing the morality of public comments versus private comments. He was pointing out that two people he loves very much, both say racially stupid things. He's trying to point out that both black people and white people are misunderstanding each other.

So it is Sowell who is trying to use his verbal virtuosity to try and fool you into believing that Obama's speech was somehow deceptive. Isn't that a neat trick ladies and gentleman?

What a lying sack of garbage!

Wake up call, Obama is a Democrat
Has it ever occured to anyone Obama is a Democrat. Of course Obama reached out to liberals when he went to college. Thats what politically minded people do. They reach out to those who share the same political views. What news about that. If we going to continue to think of Obama in Conservative terms instead of liberal terms, then those who criticize Obama for thinking and acting like a liberal are singing to the wrong choir. Obama is a liberal. Why should Conservatives continue to demand that Obama act like a Conservative. Why should Obama live up to Conservative standards if Obama is a liberal. This is the mistake Conservatives have constantly been making concerning Obama. To the liberals with the exceptions, Obama is a normal liberal. To the Conservatives, he's a racist, anti American, Manchurian candidate, and Marxist. Which Conservatives haven't called Democrats that, in just the way Democrats think and feel about blaming this country for all the wrongs of the world. The Conservatives have been singing to the wrong choir concerning Reverend Wright and his tapes, and the influence Reverend Wright had on Obama. If those who attack Obama wants their labels to stick, go on Moveon.org and plead your cases. Try MSNBC or CNN. Your audience is Conservatives, Republicans, Christian Right, with a few Democrats thrown in. Get it?

Phylo
Excuses, excuses. Need some more koolaid?

Shame on you Mr. Sowell!
This is pure sophistry.

First Sowell quotes Obama as saying that he chose his friends carefully. Then he selects a few categories of people that will naturally alarm righties, suggesting that these are the ONLY kinds of people he chose as friends. Barack has many friends on the right side of the spectrum, particularly from his days as a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

Sowell thinks your too stupid to realize that he's playing games with your mind.

Then he suggests that Obama has only recently tried to transcend race and end division. If you read his books, you'll see that he has always been trying to do this. He tries to help blacks realize that not every problem they face is due to white racism, and he tries to help whites understand why some blacks feel some anger and resentment over past racism. He has been consistent on this since he was a very young man. there is nothing chameleon like about this at all.

And the fact is Obama has many friends and admirers on the right. He was just endorsed yesterday By the well known conservative professor Kriel at Pepperdine University. Read Obama's books and you'll see that his thinking is very much influenced by the best aspect of conservatism; self-reliance, fiscal responsibility, a humble foreign policy, transparency in government. He's probably more like Reagan than Bush is.

I'll continue with my critique in the next post.



Associations
You are known by the company you keep. You pick your friends.

With Obama and the far left, the connection is obvious.

When you lie down with dogs, expect fleas when you get up.

These associations with radicals and racists should stick like glue to his campaign.

What I Like about Dr. Sowell,
he writes without the bitterness and vitriol so many of the columnist on this sight communicate.

Excellent article. With Dr. Sowell it is about 'character' his and those he writes about which is always the hard road.

Re Obama:
Who is this guy and where did he come from?

Are we seeing another Jimmy Carter in the making?

Where do they attend services now?
So much for his being the 'Post-Racial Uniter' he would have us believe he is.
Worse still, he admits it was "bred into" him while at the same time he is responsible for exposing his two young children to the bigoted, racist and hateful rhetoric that made him "cringe" as a child.

Week after week Barak & Michelle Obama force their kids to absorb the racist rantings of their(?) "mentor and spiritual advisor" Rev Wright!
Does anyone really think O'Blame-Ya's kids think of Jeremiah as being "the crazy uncle" or is it more likely they think the Reverend's words & behavior are normal?
And one can only wonder - Will his children ever be able to let it "go away"?

Can anyone tell me... If Senator O'Blame-Ya'll can't even do the right thing by his own chldren why I should allow him to make any decisions for mine.

W/O=

Mr. Sowell
Your column today is right on target and I wish it could be published in every newspaper and discussed in every TV news program.

Thank you.

The bible of Black Theology
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

"The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . ."

"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

"What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

--------------- Jim Cone --------------
--- Union Theological Seminary, New York ---

Rev. Wright credits Prof. Jim Cone with systematizing the principles of "Black Values System", the theology being used by Rev. Wright in the Trinity United Church of Christ, the church the O'Blame-Ya's attend with their two children every Sunday!

Obama's reliability?



Obama reminds me of the typical risk manager.

I can't remember one exactly, and I've dealt with many in my life, they all blend into one.

Obama like those risk managers would, I believe, if a fire broke out in the building they were in, would not put out the fire, relinquish power to people that could (fireman), they would hold a meeting on risk management.

And when that rhetorical well ran dry on that subject, he would switch and talk about various drawbacks and gains associated with fire prevention.

Granted, the whole building would burn, lives destroyed, before he was finished talking, but his real goal--him being at the podium and in charge--would still be achieved.

And a little later I'm sure he would look around at all the ashes and declare: now we can make all new polices!

With Obama and Hillary...
running for the prez under the Democrat banner the die is cast for the Democrat party. They have finally become the Socialist Democrat party. No further discussion of this needs to be made. We just need to advertise this truth for them.

AND...
is it true that media cannot say his middle name - Hussein - anymore?

EMPTY SUITS
the idiocy of masochistic white liberals has no limits.
Show me one solid indicator from the past of B.H. Obama's political life of the future rightful leading of US....you can't.

A Tribute To All That Is Bad!
“The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's talent.”

I very much like your article, but I disagree with this statement.

It is a tribute to how successful the public school systems and universities, mainstream media, and the entertainment industry, have been successful at pushing America to the left.

It is a tribute to how naive and ignorant many otherwise good Americans are that they have become useful idiots for the left.

It is a tribute to how too many Americans do not use their heads. They operate almost entirely on emotions.

It is a tribute to the human capacity to “willing suspend disbelief.”

It is a tribute to how shamelessly the left will lie and shill to get their candidate elected.

It was a deplorable speech which showed exactly where Obama is coming from. Obama stands for change, this is true, but it isn’t the type of change the country needs.

Obama is a false prophet with far too many acolytes!


a brilliant disguise
Most citizens in this country are still unaware that Obama is a man motivated by a toxic combination of Anti-American political socialism and Afrocentric pagan spirituality. They don't see that his smooth and congenial demeanor masks a philosophy of radical socialist change that has created death, destruction, genocide, and a complete breakdown of social order wherever it has taken root; whether in Africa, Europe or South America.

Read Obama's supporters at MoveOn.org and Daily Kos---you will see that Jeremiah Wright is only the tip of the iceberg. ms

PAUL GREENBERG
READ THIS ARTICLE!

Outstanding, well-articulated commentary. Is it really on the same offering page as that of Paul Greenberg?

Obama painted a bunch of roses on Greenberg's sunglasses so he couldn't see Wright anymore. All Greenberg could see were the flowers of racial unity.

I sometimes like to visit the far left websites, certainly in this case, to get their slant on Rev. Wright. Naturally, they agree with everything the man said! They actually believe Rev. Wright spoke truthfully!

So does Obama, do not be decieved!

It's painful to watch
the country descend to the point where the best the opposition to this guy's message and spirit can come up with is a McCain.

Jones
You ask if Obama was surprised that his wife wasn't proud of this country until now.

I answer: Yes, Most definitely he's surprised that his wife is now proud of America.

A truly great article
Unfortunately, I read Kathleen Parkers article first.
It's amazing how the black man gets it, but the white women doesn't.
It may be more a gender thing.
Of course, I'm kidding.
But, it is interesting why we want to look at the result and try to remedy from that point rather than the cause.

Truthful...that was a great insight to this article.

Marxist
bHussein Obama is nothing more than a Marxist. If he gets into office he will be a half black tin horn dictator just as Jorge Bush has been a white tin horn dictator. A presidential candidate who says he will not wear a US flag pin, and does not put his hand over his heart when the pledge to allegiance is said is telling you and everyone one else including the despicable left wing propaganda machine aka mainstream media that he will not uphold the US Constitution anymore than the tin horn dictator Jorge Bush has done. Jorge Bush has use his war as an excuse to trash the US Constitution. bHussein Obama will just ignore the US Constitution. Why shoudn't he? His American idol followers will care less, until it's to late.

Barrack and Black Jesus
Having been born and raised Muslum Barrack has commited the crime of Apostosy by converting to the Christian beliefs of "Black Jesus".
Is it possible that the principals of Mohammad and Black Jesus are the same religion? It would explain why Muslums endorse Barrack and why Anthony Rezko had $3.5 Million dollars in Lebonnese money for Illinois Democrats.
John Columbus Ga.

Another great column Dr. Sowell but I
will disagree on one point and point out another myth on another point.

First is the statement "The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's talent and a warning about his reliability. "

The ease with which he has done trhis is because of a liberal press who put in out front to begin with as an "articulate black" and who have covered up for him all along the way. The press has made him what he is.

The other point is the South and the KKK myth (which is another product of the liberal media). Following the end of reconstruction and the disbanding of the original KKK the KKK has never been a large active organization in the South. Sure, there have been a few of them scattered around just like any other hate group but the key here is "a few". The "reinvented" KKK that came along after the civil war was large and more active in the North and the Mid-West than it was in the South.

A failure to communicate
The nexus of his remarks was an additional call for black unity behind his candidacy. And of course for those who still have feelings of guilt because their efforts have yielded results.

Never mind that it was the policies of the Democrat party under LBJ that kept the blacks on the plantation of public housing, that passed welfare laws that kept them a welfare class beholden to urban politicians, that not only did not win the war on poverty but made the bottom decile less mobile than those above it.

Worse, these policies contributed to the break up of the extremely strong black families who made the trek from the south and became workers in northern industries, savers and purchasers of housing,

The War on Poverty enoouraged black men to leave support of their children to the government and single mothers.

These same policies under the aegis of strong teacher unions and with the acquiescence of local and state governments destroyed the formerly strong public school systems, warehoused the students until they escaped by leaving or graduating and in the long run created the belief that education is neither an economic or a social good. The current generation finds itself lacking the capability to pre-educate them in the home and assist them with their homework.

Blacks watched strong Asian families with two working parents and a belief in education as a way to achieve a step up from the lower classes -- who spoke no English to start with -- exceed and excel.

The same Democrat urban leaders are creating a new illegal alien class taking the entry level jobs which are necessary to start the path upwards. Our deserving citizens are being held back.

The Obama speech only wanted change without reform, change to come from more of the same, not change at all.




In their own words
Some politicians have a common problem. They are so full of themselves and they feel their lives are filled with such valuable insight that they write books about themselves. This creates a problem comes because people actually attempt to verify what is written. The Clintons are two such people and Hillary has come under scrutiny for what she has related. Obama, also, is facing some of the same problems.

According to an article in the Chicago Tribune from about a year ago, he exaggerated childhood experiences from his "Dreams" book. A boyhood chum called "Ray" was supposed to dwell or rant about race issues but, when interviewed for the article, said this was untrue. "Ray's" version is backed up by another friend. Barak also mentioned a story, complete with pictures, in "Life" magazine where a black man had applied chemica