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Tuesday, March 25, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bipartisan Primary Blues
by Thomas Sowell
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Leaders of the Democratic Party and much of the media are wringing their hands over what to do about Democratic voters in Florida and Michigan, in order not to leave them out of the process of picking a nominee, and perhaps alienating them as for as the general election in November is concerned.

Like so many things that politicians do that end up in a tangled mess, the current rules and practices may have been things that "seemed like a good idea at the time."

There might be a lesson there about not getting carried away with rhetoric, and about the need to stop and think through the consequences before the consequences overwhelm you.

Do we want the magic words of "universal health care" to end up in a similar tangled mess -- as it has already in some other countries -- while we end up saying, "it seemed like a good idea at the time"?

The idea behind letting "the people" decide whom the Democratic Party should nominate for President of the United States was that such things should not be decided behind closed doors by party bigwigs in the proverbial smoke-filled room.

But, in this context and in many others, the question must be asked: Who are "the people"?

We are not talking about the American people as a whole or even a majority of the members of a given party. We are talking about those who happen to show up on primary election day or at the caucuses, including in some states people who are registered members of the opposition party.

Not only in primary elections, but in other local elections -- and especially in off-year local elections -- vested interests such as the teachers' union can get a big turnout that can give a disproportionate weight to people who are nowhere near a majority but who can win big time with one-fourth or less of the electorate.

Is that the voice of "the people"?

As far as party primaries are concerned, both Republican and Democratic Party primaries are dominated by the most zealous voters, whose views may not reflect the views of most members of their own respective parties, much less the views of those who are going to vote in the November general election.

In recent times, each election year has seen each party's nominee selected -- or at least subject to veto -- by its most extreme wing and then forced to try to move back to the center before the general election.

This can only undermine the public's confidence in the integrity of the candidates of both parties.

Back in the bad old days of the smoke-filled rooms, people with a long-term stake in their party had to take into account what the American public at large wanted, because that would determine who would actually get elected to the White House and the Congress, who in turn would then decide who would be put on the federal courts across the land, including the Supreme Court.

It is by no means clear that "the people" voting in primaries have made better choices than those made in the smoke-filled rooms. More important, those who regard the present system as sacrosanct don't even want to make such a comparison.

It is questionable whether any of the three candidates still viable in the Republican or Democratic Parties would have been chosen by either party if those with a long-run stake in the future of those parties had made the decision.

All three candidates have a lot of baggage.

Nevertheless, no one dares change the rules in the middle of the game. The big question, however, is whether either party's leaders will have the courage to change the rules after this fall's election.

Back in 1944, the Democratic Party's leaders, knowing that President Franklin D. Roosevelt was in such frail health that he was not likely to live out his next term, decided that the choice of vice presidential nominee was too important to let go by default to the current vice president, Henry Wallace.

They proposed that little-known Senator Harry Truman be put on the ticket instead, and FDR went along with it. You would have to know what a dingbat Henry Wallace was to realize how the smoke-filled room saved this nation from disaster.

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Good Article
I wrote about this as the economics of voting information. The oligopoly of the major political parties is what stops people from voting on what they approve of.....too bad.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article3209.html

The Economics of Voting Information
http://www.nolanchart.com/article3209.html

I think this just about sums it up!

Let's stay focused
he Good column by Sowell, but forgets to mention the larger point he usually emphasisizes that the central problem is that government is too powerful and needs to be strictly limited.

An overly powerful government is still evil, regardless of whether it is run by mob-rule or a clique of insiders.

Good one Dr. Sowell
You would have to know that Wallace was actually an agent for the Soviet government. The FDR administration was riddled with commie spies.

In additon, you are absolutely right. The smoke filled rooms produced candidate better than what we got this time. This is the worst selection of candidates that I have ever seen in my lifetime.

Despair
The choices for President this time around leave me with a great despair for the future of the country. If these are the people Americans want to lead them, then there are too few real Americans left. I can only pray that America will wake up to the dangers these fascists and socialists pose to a free nation.

Different parties - different problems
The Republican party had a problem with candidates. The ones that campaigned the hardest were not the ones I would like to elect. The ones that held off campaigning were the ones I wanted to hear from. I suppose suppose their lack of action spoke volumes to me. The process, however, was fairly uncomplicated and worked well.

The Democratic party is another matter. The candidates themselves were just what liberals would want. All of them promising more GIVErnment. But the party is just like the candidates. They believe everything is in need of fixing. "If it ain't broke, fix it till it is." So they end up with states that don't count, popular vote, caucuses, superdelegates. It's like a stew with so many ingredients that you don't know what to call it anymore except a mess.

This Process
Has for decades produced people unequal to the tasks. That Reagan rose to office is a miracle. Bush has appalled me with his lack of leadership on domestic issues. It is obvious he has no understanding of economics and no ability to articulate a policy to guide us away from the series of train wrecks that await.

The parties 'seem' to be unhappy with the candidates their process brings forth but fear a process that will produce leaders capable of real accomplishments. Could it be they really want what they are getting?

As a Republican...
...I can only hope the sitting of the delegations from Florida and Michigan takes place in prime time and the bitter arguments are aired on National TV,as it was in the old days.When an elite group like the Democratic National Committee can write off the state partys' like that,they are telling them that their opinions are not worth a bucket of warm spit.

The state partys' will simply tell them that if you don't want us in August,we do not want you in Novenber.

Why am I smiling? :-)


The other element in this...
...is that their is a danger,at this time,that they may be rejecting a black man in favor of a white woman for the nomination.The DNC is walking on eggshells as it is,trying not to appear "racist" to the black community,their biggest,and most loyal, bloc of votes nationwide.

Tell me again why I am smiling.

Whos fault is it
The good Doctor makes a valid point when he notes that it is the Zealots of each party who decides the nominee, but whose fault is that? It is our fault, If you are registered to vote, you should participate in the primary elections. Primaries and have unusually low turnout in my state anywhere from 20-25% of registered voters, I suspect it is like that all over this land. The blame for this should be placed were it belongs on the voters. Also note that in my state unaffiliated voters are allowed to vote in either primary, which in my opinion is a bad idea a primary is about a parties voters deciding who their nominees will be and if you are unaffiliated you should not have a say in that.

Its more than bent
The problems with the current system are endless. The reason for it is NOT the voters, it is the people who set up the rules who do not want a lot of interference with their mechanizations. The politicians are the ones who make the rules and they make them top guarantee incumbency.

All of the myriads of campaign finance laws are designed with that in mind. The primary rules are designed to allow the individual State party big wigs to determine the outcome. One poster though that the Republican primary came out OK. LOL, the Republican primary was much worse than the Dem outcome. The winner was a liberal who actually got less than 30% of the Republican vote in the primaries. That means when it comes to actual election time he will probably have the support of less than 10% of the people who actually vote Republican.

As for allowing voting by independents, that is NOT a bad thing in of itself. The problem is when you allow independents to vote in BOTH primaries or when one party “fixes” the election in the State such that the votes for their candidates become worthless.

I say paraphrasing an old song, the process is not only badly bent, but is broken. The entire process and all of the arcane campaign finance rules need to be eliminated and replaced with a series of runoff elections. The campaign finance rules should be complete and rapid disclosure along with a prohibition on out of State money for in-State elections.

Sadly, as long as we allow the politicians to set the rules we will never get real rules.

modern fix
The sure way to triple the number of voters would be to vote by computer.
I do my taxes electronically, I do my banking electronically and it's fool proof.
The few people that have no computer can go to the nearest library or city hall.
Plus once registered and having a legitimate password you would be able to vote from another state if you were traveling.
It would be way more efficient and save millions of expenses.

Vic
I apologize that my post was not clear. When I indicated that the Republican primary worked well I did not mean we got a representative we wanted. I just meant that the system itself was less complicated and, therefore, more efficient. I did not want to get into the ancillary aspects of the entire process. Bottom line is the more simple the process the better it works.

Sad reality
No matter who wins the presidential election in November, we American citizens, lose.

Toon
I thought you were clear. Yes, the Republican process is simple. In most States it was winner take all. That is not a bad thing when only two people are running, as in the general election. However, when half a dozen or more candidates are running winner take all assures that someone with minimal support gets all the delegates.

In addition, having Iowa and New Hampshire set the tone for the primaries is ludicrous. These two States are just about as unrepresentative of the nation as they can be. They are also overwhelmingly liberal. That may be fine for the Dems but it is not good for the Republicans.

And finally, if we really wanted simple then all we would have to do is allow the Party chairman to choose the candidate. No, I don’t think that “simple” is necessarily “best”.

VIC2
"This is the worst selection of candidates that I have ever seen in my lifetime."

Aint it the truth! And this at what is probably the most crucial time that America has ever faced. We are besieged from enemies within and without. God help us!

What I'd like to know...
How can any thinking American vote for Democrats to run Congress, the White House, the State Legislatures and Executive Mansions when they can't even run their own Party!?! After all, only a complete idiot wouldn't anticipate that disenfranchising two entire States from their Primary Election was an incredibly stupid idea! Maybe it's time to send the Dems packing - perhaps they could go back to their careers, after all, aren't Bill and Hillary Clinton, Barack and Michelle Obama, and John and Elizabeth Edwards all trial lawyers? Wait, aren't Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid lawyers, too?

tony54 writes: "The sure way to triple

the number of voters would be to vote by computer."

Unfortunately, that's one of those things that "seemed like a good idea at the time."

So far, those computers have proven to be unreliable, and they're easy to "hack" into, and there is no way to recount or audit.


Dr. Sowell has opened up a can of worms.

Which is probably a good thing...

But, it works both ways. Had the American people known about JFK's real physical condition, and the meds he was on, he never would have been nominated nor elected...


Anne
I am not sure what your point here is. Dr. Sowell made no mention of JFK and what if we had known about his negatives? I personally didn't think he was that good of a president.

From what evidence shows concerning Chicago and Texas, he really didn't win anyway. Evidence suggests that the election was stolen by the mob in Chicago and LBJ in Texas.

modern fix
Anne writes:
So far, those computers have proven to be unreliable, and they're easy to "hack" into, and there is no way to recount or audit.

All banking transactions are done by computer.
The stock exchange runs totally on computers.
The IRS, FBI, Social Security Administration,
the Dfense Department, the DOJ, all city Police and Fire departments, and on and on.
Computerized voting would most likely be 99% effective.
How's that compare to the "Florida hanging chads"? Or how's that compare to the thousands of dead paople voting across the country? And people who vote at two states on the same day?

Just another example
of liberal incompetence. The Dems have the fecal touch, everything they touch turns into something besides gold. In this venture, as with all leftist ventures, they ignore the fact that the law of unintended consequences is just as strict as the law of gravity, and has just as much effect on our lives. They never stop to assess the results of their various remedies for this or that, but plunge headlong into the darkness, sure that their good intentions will result in utopia. Fix it? We designed it, therefore it doesn't need fixing!

Democratic mess
Interesting how the Democratic Party's chickens have come home to roost.

By trying to be all things to all people they are in danger of rendering themselves insignificant to anyone. Rather than simply resolving this mess in Mich and Fla by reducing the number of delegates needed to win, they box themselves into a quandry that has no solution.

Couldn't happen to a better bunch of liberal fools!

Vic2, M Sederoff
Agreed. Our country's identity has been hidden beneath a patchwork of special interest groups, our identity has been blurred by an education system taken over by people who have no appreciation of reality or history, it has been weakened by afffluence which supports wishful thinking. and attacked by illegal aliens. Pearl Harbor united the country because Hitler was kicking the doggie doo out of our friends in Europe, he was Japan's ally, and Americans were aware of what happened when you lost a war. Recent events have conspired to hide reaiity. Korea and Viet Nam have convinced a lot of people that losing a war doesn't really matter, and that the blood and horror are useless. They see no danger from a shadowy crew of rag heds, so 9/11 actually divided the country into those who see danger and those who don't. The dismal fiscal performance of a GOP congress and the uninspired preformance of the Bushes has shattered the Reagan coalition, with McCain finishing the job of shattering the right wing. And now the left wing fascinatin with identity politics and PC lotus-eating has managed to fracture the left. The very fact that we are besieged by enemies within and without may be our salvation. Capable candidates driven by patriotism to assume a stinking job, as G Washington was, could arise, buoyed by a population who finally wakes up to the fact that a culture, a way of life and a nation are threat4ned. Maybe i should have used Cinncinnatus as an example, rather than Washington. After all, George was one of those dead white Europeans who so clearly effed us all.

And by the way, great job
once again Dr. Sowell. I hope you read some of these comments so you can have the fun of knowing how much so many folks appreciate your near-unique ability to state penetrating insights with clarity.

Savage99
Yes, our salvation will be O'Vomit winning. In the first two years the Dems will create massive havoc and the sheepple will wake up and turn them out again.

Vic/Vic2

Vic: JFK was nominated behind closed

doors... and my point is that it works both ways... JFK was just an example...



democrats
Democrats are like horses with blinders, the see or hear nothing that
goes against their party that most grew up with.
You can talk till your blue in the face, but get nowhere with them.
I live just east of Cleveland, they keep re-electing Kucunich.
Six terms he was re-elected.
He didn't become a fool last year, he's been a far left loon his whole life.
He was Cleveland mayor in the eighties,
he was a far left loon then, he ruined the city,
yet the Democrats rewarded him with a cushy congressman job for 12 years.
He has some good opposition this time; you would think he'd get the boot,
but I doubt it.
I think the Democrat useful idiot voters will re-elect him.

The Democratic Mess
The posters here are right that the rules set up by the DNC have led to unintended consequences. Still, when Florida and Michigan set up early primaries in an effort to be first, the State party leaders were aware of the rules and the consequences of that action.

Now we have the fun part. Does the DNC follow the rules they set up and ignore the votes of the two states or do they set aside the rules and show that political expedience is more important than rules [which the State leaders are counting on]. It certainly shows that the Democrats only abide by the rules when they want to.

The other part of that is that Senator Clinton ignored the agreement by the candidates not to campaign in these two states, if ever so subtly. Senator Obama followed those rules and even had his name removed from the Michigan ballot. If the DNC now seats the State delegation as it is, it shows the willingness not only to ignore the rules they set up and also to disadvantage a Black Male in favor of a White Female with a sense of entitlement. Sooner or later this will come to the attention of the Black community.

tony
Although it will probably come to pass (that people can vote from their desktop or cell phone), I don't see how that will "fix" the problem. Making it easier might guarantee that more people vote, but I'm not sure that would be any panacea. I guess it would save rounding up all those folks off the street and paying them with cigarettes to cast a vote they don't have any idea about and care even less. Easier doesn't necessarily mean better.

sawdust
The "fecal touch"! Now that's funny, I don't care who ya are.

The dems are oblivious to the law of unintended consequences, thus indeed the party of "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
I think we should let some of their good ideas play out awhile (like see what happens to social security and medicare after the boomers are done with it) before we adopt any more good ideas (like universal health care).

Vic & Savage99: You may have a point..

"... O'Vomit winning. In the first two years the Dems will create massive havoc and the sheepple will wake up and turn them out again."

No doubt there will be massice havoc in two years, and heaven knows what havoc and damage they'll "accomplish" in four years.

BHO will have us out of the ME in no time flat, leaving us, I fear, very vulnerable to the radical Islamics.

He'll raise taxes which will crash our economy.

And, we could be neck deep in SOCIALIZED health care.

Not to mention, BHO thinks WE should be saving the WORLD....


I could be absolutely WRONG! And I hope I am!

But two years is time enough for BHO and the libs to do a great deal of damage, and I wonder if and how we'd recover.




Tony54
Anne is right on this questin and here is why. Your examples are of systems which must work, or the users get punished. Consequently, these systems spend billions to prevent unauthorized use or abuse, anti-hack efforts are ongoing and as up-to-date as money can buy. Nevertheless, abuses do occur, although they are not trumpeted about, due to the obvious lack of confidence to customers. But a computerized voting system would have no such accuracy motive. Quite the contrary. The software for voting machines would be in the hands of people who might well WANT a, shall we say, desired outcome? Rather than a hacker having to break in to a locked system, who can doubt some folks might hand him the key. And no Paper trail? C'mon Tony.

Selecting Candidates
I have no problem with the parties selecting the candidates - as long as the last line offered voters is "None of the Above". Then if we get some stinkers, like now, we can vote against all of them and require the parties to come up with someone who we do want instead. I know of too many past elections where "None of the Above" would have won easily.

Voting by computer
The problem isn't too few people voting. It is too many people voting.

We need to go back to the old days when you had to own property to vote or some other qualification that required you to have a stake in the system and not just a nose in the trough.

Anne
Did you say may be right? MAY be right????? Once it looked like i was wrong, but it turned out later i had been right all along.


:-D

45caliber
Your suggestion is one i have often suppported, with the addition that when NOTA wins, all the candidates are disqualified and new primaries and election takes place ASAP.

My .45's are a Star compact ( no better small .45 has yet appeared, IMHO) and a Colt 80's Gold Cup.

Incumbents
The incumbents are the real problem in D.C. The American taxpayers are entangled with entitlements caused by the incumbents who do not give a rat's @$$ about anyone except themselves and their position of power.

I know none of them will vote themselves out of power. Just once I would enjoy seeing everyone, Democrats, Republicans and Independents all pack their bags and go home to never return.

Then The Americans could rewrite the systems of governance in their communities to elect their people to go to D.C. on a one year contract. If they do what the communities wanted they get another contract for a year et cetara.

Aside
How nice to have a troll-free thread. In general, they don't f**k with Sowell. Another reason to ignore them when they do appear, they feed on replies, the more abusive the better, since abuse confirms their belief that all conservatives are mean-spirited racist homophobic privileged rich white fascists.

To repeat Vic
This needs to be repeated:

The problem isn't too few people voting. It is too many people voting.

We need to go back to the old days when you had to own property to vote or some other qualification that required you to have a stake in the system and not just a nose in the trough.

Fromthe top1
Right on. A major reason i won't vote for McCain is the incumbent protection result of McCain?Feingold. McCain can not look good about this. He either knew what he was doing, which makes him an arrogant elitist narcissist, or he didn't which makes him a stupid jerk. Either of these should be sufficient to disqualify him from being POTUS.

The Primaries are Broken
Mr. Sowell's article is the best single piece I have read on the broken system of Primaries and Caucuses which give the voters the choices for President every four years.

I think most people would agree that of the candidates originally running in the two parties this year, John Edwards was hands down the best candidate the Democratic Party had to offer, and Mitt Romney was the best Republican. But John Edwards, in Elizabeth's words, "isn't black and he's not a woman". And Mitt Romney is neither a veteran nor an inside the beltway politician. John McCain got the nomination because he is a veteran, and the consrvative wing of the Republican Party split in the primaries between Thompson, Huckabee, and Romney.

It has been said that this was the moment for Barack Obama. I agree. If he's not elected this year, the paint will peel off his carefully manufactured image, and he will never be elected.

It can also be said with at least plausibility that Lenin and his 121 henchmen could only have taken over Russia at the particular moment they made their move--when Russia was in an unpopular war, society was falling apart, and no one had faith in the government. It is almost a certainty that Adolph Hitler and his monstrous agenda had Germany not been in the economic, psychological, and political state of demoralization which a bad economy and revulsion over WWI had sadddled German society with.

By the way, neither Lenin nor Hitler were "experienced in Government". But both could make good speeches. Pied pipers tend to lead to disasters.

Okay Savage99: :-)
I'll believe you THIS TIME!

But time will tell.......

Sad, wobbie seems to insist on posting

about columns that are FAR ABOVE his intellect...

Clearly we have the Robert who is OFF HIS MEDS.

Where is the Robert who seems to be ON HIS MEDS now and then.....






"Group Victim Syndrome"
The Democratic Party has, for so long, identified groups who are "victims" because they are members of "oppressed groups"...now the party's two major "victim groups" - women and African-Americans - are competing for "most victimized" and most in need of the White House as compensation for neglicenses in the past. How fitting that the party that fomented "group think" and "group vicimization" is being hanged by the group rope.

Dr. Sowell Keep shining your light
Computer voting is fraught with danger. I worked in computer forensics specializing in fraud detection. One of the largest companies in the world (in their field) spent millions to protect their site. I was hired by them to test the new security - 26 hours later I entered the site undetected. I would not reveal the technique but the danger lies internally. Someone or a group of technicians or even worse managers, have access to the site for maintenance etc. This group does not have millions to protect their computers.

Zombie armies of computers (botnets) are used for spam and other nefarious activity - the computer owners are unwitting accomplices. Literally millions of computers have been "drafted" as a bot (technical robot).

Internal security also assumes that those who control and operate the site can be trusted and not be bought, blackmailed or are not ideologues.

Remember if a human can design and control something another human can reverse engineer it and control it.

Savage99
Re: 09:41 post

See what happens when you speak a thought out loud?

Democrats know best
I find it fascinating that the people of Florida and Michigan are being told by the Democrat party what they can do. This is perfectly consistent with the underlying premise of the modern Democrat party. That is their belief that a central authority knows better than the people of your particular state. After all, aren't the Democrats forcing on the states the very same "one size fits all" rules that they wish for health care and other issues.

We know what is best and don't trust you to make the right decisions. Look up the 10th and 17th amendments and try to understand why those amendments are there. The states have powers that have been usurped by the Federal Government. The states have no representation in our national congress the 17th amendment saw to that.

Now the states of Florida and Michigan have no voice in the nomination of their Democrat party's nominee. Did they know "the rules" ahead of time. Yes, they did. By the power of the central authority trumps the power of the people of those states. This is a good metaphor for what the Democrat party stands for, a central controlling authority. I guess that is why conservatives are called fascists ??? Huh ???


Tibby

Sowell Not Totally Correct
The GOP has its share of conservative "zealots", but the real power of the GOP lies within the offices of the DC based RNC. Since Reagen left office, the RNC made sure only "moderate" and liberal Republicans were backed on national tickets. Gingrich's 1994 insurgency caught everyone by surprise, not the least the RNC. The RNC always viewed 1981-1989 as a disaster. Men like Bush41, Howard Baker, Brent Scowcroft, and Richard Darman looked upon Reagan and his "misfits" of neo-cons, libartarins, supply-siders, Federalists, and religious conservatives with disdain.

While the Democrats race to the Far Left, the RNC jogs behind them to fill the Left-Center void. In case anyone hasn't noticed, since 1989 the GOP has lunged Left and on the national level wishes to continue its Big Goverment, Statist lurch. Anyone who looked at the 2008 presidential candidates the GOP featured could see this.

Tibby
The constitution is silent concerning political parties, as it should be. If the Dems want to game the rules of thier own party, let them do it.

The Dems in 1982 wished to change their proportional primary ruls in order to forestall another insurgent candidate like Jimmy Carter or McGovern. In both cases (1972 and 1976), relatively unknown candidates swept aside the anointed one. Thus, the Super-Delegate was born.

However, since 1976 the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries were skewing the races to a point that an unknown candidate could still force out the more "electable ones (Think of Howard Dean). Both parties attempted to game the system again by allowing some states to host primaries at very early dates. Michigan and Florida rebelled and scheduled thier even earlier.

Democrats
Democrats have created a real conundrum for themselves with Florida and Michigan. For years they have claimed to be the champion of voters rights. For years the have screamed about disenfranchisement.

Now they are the one's doing the disenfranchising.

Government of the People?
Well this election tops them all! We have three bad candidates. Hillary is up to more lies (Bosnia & Ireland) - for the "smartest woman in the world she stupidly says anything thinking that the ignorant will vote (and they have) Obama's actual feeling toward America as a democracy is questionable at best. McCain's voting record as a Senator on closed borders and amnesty is disgraceful (same as Clinton & Obama)-and has admitted he knows little about economic's but is probably the lesser of three evils. At least he does not appear to be an out and out socialist/marxist as Hillary or Obama.

Something has happened to the America I knew as a child. No more patriotistm. It's divisive - anti-Americanism in schools and our governemnt, which has in large been created by our corrupt politicians with personal agendas other than the welfare of its citizens. Why do we have politicians who vote to give people who entered our country illegally social welfare that citizens who have worked all their lives must pay for? We need to vote them all out of office - Republicans and Democrats and put the non-lawyer, man on the street with honest convictions in office. Right now we have the corrupt of the corrupt.

Retired Geek writes: "Computer voting

is fraught with danger."

How right you are, and I can't believe that people don't understand that.

I am also in the IT QA field... and I won't buy anything over the internet.




It's not just the primaries,
the entire system is out of control, out of the control of the true owners of this great country, "we the people". Both parties have conspired to assure themselves continued power by rigging the entire election process, and we have fallen for the scam.

It is not true that only "they" have the necessary wisdom, knowledge, and experience to govern. That phony argument is designed only to keep us voting the lesser of two evils. It is promoted by the DEM/GOP/MSM propaganda machines and we should reject it. The current talk coming from the media and the candidates about who is more experienced is simply more of this propaganda.

There are things happening however that can give us hope. First, I would urge all to check out my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG, and find out about the other choices available, not only my candidacy. There is a link on the site to an independent's debate in April at the University of Cincinnati campus.

Secondly, if you are tired of talking and want to actually do something, visit the Firesociety.com website. This grassroots organization is similar to TownHall except that folks there are the ones doing the writing, not elite Republican hacks. Check out an interesting article by "Arrowhead", who is starting a group to begin the actual reclaiming of our inheritance from the bottom up.

The time for action is now, or as RR said, the time for choosing. We can sit at our computers and argue back and forth, or we can begin to take action. Why leave the action to moveon.org? It is time we stepped up to the plate. See you at Firesociety.com Thanks, Joe

Hello JPK
You are correct and I agree. The Constitution does not address political parties. That is good. Political parties come and go. The Democrats can make their own party rules.

I just find the mindset interesting.

Tibby

Lolo1 writes: "For years the have

screamed about disenfranchisement."

And for years I've been saying that the only way someone is disenfranchised is if they don't get off their butts and do whatever they have to do in order to vote!

But, I now stand corrected. The dems actually have disenfranchised their own...

"Now they are the one's doing the disenfranchising."

Whodda thought???

Of course, I can hardly wait to hear what Sheil Jackson-Lee has to say about this! :-)



Who are "the people"?
Dr. Sowell not only asks the right questions, he answers them with clarity and wisdom. I pray he lives a long healthy life.

The people are represented by "transformers" who take the will of the people and transform that will into ideologic, liberal solutions.

There is little if any difference between Obama and Hillary, except the obvious and John is skipping along holding hands with Russ and Ted oblivious to reality.

Liberal solutions beg the question, does America want to die a painful death or die with some dignity?

God deliver America from liberal and humanistic solutions.

i agree with anne
you can't trust computer voting, expecially those who do not print a paper reciept.

there was some guy hired by the local newspaper who hacked into the computers used in california in under 30 seconds.

those debold computers were than de-certified by the secretary of the state.



now for something completely different.

i am coming to the conclusion i almost wnat mccain to win so he will have to deal with the bush recession and the surging violence in iraq.

Could it be
that when a SCOTUS judge "discovered" a wall of separation between government and religion in 1947; when a Senator and future Veep/President
pushed an amendment on a bill without any hearings depriving 501 3c organizations their
centuries old right to speak out against the
electeds and their policies (especially churches,
at least SOME churches); leading to another SCOTUS to remove God from the public square and the fact the 1954 law intimidated the Church from
disenting be the cause? Because once God has been removed from the public square, beginning in the schools we had a different society in the making. No longer were school children taught about the Biblical roots of our form of government,or prayers and scripture allowed there or elsewhere; giving us at least two generations of dumbed down students. The first
generation went on to teach the following so that
each succeeding generation knew/knows less than the preceding one. Whereas the rallying cry of the Revolution was "No King but Jesus", its come down to "No God, No Jesus." The church is as much as fault as the perpetrators because it cowered under it's pews and has become the servant of two masters by ceding it's power to inform/preach/teach in the context of the Gospel
the American public it's rights and duties under
it's God given Constitution to the government via
the IRS. The best thing for the Church in this country would be for it to lose this exemption,
which would free it to be what its called to be.
If not, then it will soon be dictated to by the government regarding it's preaching about sin
such as happened in Canada and Scandinavia and probably Britain by now.

Liberal Collectivism
The liberal "dyslexic logic" has transformed the individual into a collection of victims.

Liberal education solution:
Determine those teachers that ARE doing their job and pay them more.

Liberals won't tell us whether preferences, quotas or affirmative action will be used to determine those teachers who are doing their job.

Teachers who are causing the "failing schools" will continue to teach - according to the Liberal plan.

It is estimated that 3.2 million teachers will teach the 49.6 million students in 2007-2008.

Logically one could conclude that a significant nimber of teachers are contributing to the "failing schools" syndrome. Assume 10%, that means 320,000 teachers are teaching 4,960,000 students - that leaves each state (on average) with 100,000 students with a failed education.

Liberals won't inform us to why those "failure contributors" shouldn't be doing something else or why their pay shouldn't be reduced and used for a bonus to those who are doing their job.



Democrats and Elections
Have the Democrats ever held and honest election? I mean,really. I cannot recall one when dead folks were not allowed to vote, along with their dogs,cats,etc.Some of the dead voted more than once,too.

If they are not winning fairly,there's always a back-up system.Keep the polls open later,is a big one.Close the polls early if that will help lower the other sides vote total.

When all the votes are counted and they are losing...oh my,those dastardly voting machines malfunctioned.They are made by some crooked people who favor Republicans,you know ,so they can't be trusted.


Anne and Lolo1
Actually, even had the Democrats not explicitly disenfranchised Florida and Michigan, their whole superdelegate scheme is remarkably elitist for a party posing as the populist party.

Odd how the party "of the common man" hands over so much power to insiders.

Then agai
To follow up on my earlier post, I suppose the superdelegates are needed.

Think about it:

The Dems moved to proportional representation, rather than winner takes all primaries in most states. That almost guarantees no candidate will get enough delegates, unless someone is very clearly in the lead.

So, rather than have a nasty brokered convention, the Dems created the superdelegates.

Still, the result is that, no matter how the superdelegates decide, a remarkable number of democrats will feel their votes were invalidated by the superdelegates.

savage99

i do not believe this:

all conservatives are mean-spirited racist homophobic privileged rich white fascists.

in fact one of the reasons i enjoy townhall is that my own ideas are challenged by articulate and intelligent conservatives.

Actually, I find this election amusing
First of all, on super Tuesday the dems split and where possible vote for McCain to insure Hillary had who was supposed to be the easiest candidate to run against. The problem is that so many Hillary supports jumped the reservation and voted in the Republican primaries and caucuses that now the choice of candidate for the Democratic party is in the hands of Republicans. I believe that is called being hoist by their own petards. I find that absolutely hilarious. We have a talk show host here in Oregon who is trying to get Republicans and Independents to re-register as Democrats on April 1 and vote for which ever Democratic candidate is behind in the delegate count. A fair number are doing just that since the Republicans already have their nominee. Why not make your vote count for your party by forcing the Dems to run their primary all the way to Puerto Rico and maybe all the way to Denver. It does nothing but suck money from the democratic senate and house races to feed the presidential primary process. And every dollar spent on the democratic primary is one that injures the eventual nominee and helps the Republican nominee.

I sometimes wonder if a "step back"

might not be a good thing...

How about we have paper ballots that must be marked with grease pencils, and once you've voted you must stick your finger into some blue (or choose a color) ink that will last a few days.


Now, as soon as we can get the problem of proving one's eligibility to vote, we'd be in pretty good shape.







Voters
We're in the mess that we are in today because of us.

For the most part, we, as a people, are incompetent as voters. We vote for the person we "like" or the person we think will do the best job without having any reasonable evidence on which to base our thoughts for making this decision.

The fact is that we vote incompetent people into office and then insist on ignoring the fact that we elected a fool. These "less than adequate people" stay in office for great lengths of time, and then they demand that we support them and their families forever.

The only answer is term limits. We, as Americans, should only be forced to live with our mistakes for a short period of time. Congressmen should serve for the same six-year term served by senators. When the six years have passed, we're rid of them permanently, and they can go out into the business world that they helped shape and get a job...or not. Their lifetime welfare should be not our problem as it is now.

Hey, even Senator Kennedy should be able to stammer through that often heard question - "Can I supersize that for you, sir?".

The 2 Party System is Just Fine
What upsets most conservatives here is how the RNC remains so much more liberal than the party membership at large. The RNC was responsible for pushing Bish43 on us, as he was really the only one who had a choice of besting Gore in 2000. Yet, most people forget how desperate the GOP was to rebound after the miserable 1998 mid-terms. Already, insiders were seeing the rot form inside the GOP congressional salons and back offices. Winning the presidency would give the GOP new life, new blood and new leadership. The RNC picked Bush43 and he won.

The only problem was that Bush wasn't a conservative in the same way Reagan was, or for that matter Bob Dole was. If anything, Bush43 resembles Nixon in his foreign policy, domestic policies, and economic policies. There are now a lot of Bush43s inside the RNC, our think tanks, and universities. Many of them are Democrats.

As the Democrats went farther Left, the GOP followed in its wake. The GOP of today resembles in many ways the Democrats of 1964-1968 -before the student revolt. If conservatives are unhappy they can either (a)Leave, but by warned to what happens to 3rd Parties or (b)reform the GOP from the bottom up or inside out. Reagan did it, but his reforms were very shallow. The RNC bided its time, and returned in force in 1989. A future GOP reform would have to be much deeper, and more radical. Good Luck.

Voter Apathy
Another great column by Dr. Sowell 5 stars*. I would like to follow up on a point made by chains. All citizens of this Nation should be registered to vote & should contribute to the selection process. The fact they do not is a disgrace, voter apathy is the path to socialist dictators.

Sowell touches tip of iceberg
Sowell gives too much credit to "the people" doing the deciding in the party primaries.

"The People" doing the deciding about the nation's choices on the general election ballot is a lot less inclusive than Sowell's party zealots across the nation. In fact, it is the party zealots from Iowa and New Hampshire who are deciding which candidates the rest of the nation has to select from.

Under the current staggered primary dates, the numerically insignificant voters of New Hampshire will have already driven half the candidates from the race before the citizens of California, Texas, Ohio, and Georgia even have a chance to go to the polls.

Personally, I would rather take my chances with the smoked-filled room political bosses than to have my choices limited only to those who pass the muster of Hawkeye and Granite State party activists. No offense, but if one or two states are going to do the picking for everyone else, then either let it be my state, or find a new process.

Did you ever wonder?
There is a reason why the mascot for the democratic pary is a "JACKASS." If you ever wondered why - all you have to do is look at the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Frank, Waxman, Leahy, Shumer, Clinton and a host of others - and now you have the answer to question!!!

It would appear that the Democrats need the miracle of "Balaam's Jackass" to provide them with the necessary leadership to run the country.

The Tail Wags the Dog
By the time I went to the primary poll in my state, of the 6 names listed on the ballot, only 2 were still in the race. Neither of my original top 2 choices were among them. What is so special about the citizens of Iowa or New Hampshire that we, as a nation, are willing to cede to them so much political power that they are able to effectively decide for the rest of us who are choices will be? This must change.

SandMan
writes, "What is so special about the citizens of Iowa or New Hampshire that we, as a nation, are willing to cede to them so much political power that they are able to effectively decide for the rest of us who are choices will be? This must change."

I agree. Perhaps a national primary system? All states vote on the same day just like the general election with runoff elections to decide between the top two vote getters when no one gets a majority. The current system is a sham and is used by the party insiders to work the voters rather than the other way around. The same way they choose their own voters in gerrymandered congressional districts, another practice not conducive to public accountability.

The democratic party has made this an art form by gerrymandering the nation into victim groups. The public does not seem inclined to stop the shenanigans. They quite often reward them. The liberals embrace of diversity can be explained by their desire to divide and conquer. The sheep go along because they are told respecting diversity is noble and wise while expecting assimilation is small minded and bigoted. We now get to enjoy the results of one victim group being slighted for another. The enjoyment is bittersweet while the republican party is suffering from communist takeover from within in an attempt to buy votes the way the dems always have.

Instant Runoff
SandMan notes the power of a few voters in Iowa, NH etc. to drive candidates from the race before California, Texas et al. have a chance to vote on them.

Bart reminds that "voter apathy is the path to socialist dictators."

In systems where there are two elections and the second is a run-off between the top two, the second (run-off) election is usually poorly attended. Frequent elections wear out voter patience. Look at Germany in 1932-33.

In our system, with the primaries hogged by a Party duopoly and a mess of partial and complete restrictions on primary voting, the primary election is the seat of most voter apathy.

I didn't have time to see all the comments and find out whether anyone discussed Instant Run-off, but it has my vote (1, 2 and 3). Computers tabulate the #1 votes, then drop off the bottom candidate and reassign his/her #2 votes, etc. until there is one victorious candidate in one election.

As for the "Electoral College" in my opinion that is just as un-American as slavery and hot-burning-overdose nicotine cigarets. Something that existed for centuries cannot dictate what we living today consider America.

The problem is that no one knows how to turn this battleship around in 7 months-- will the computer geeks save us?

VIC2 of 10:30
Just got back, and i see what you mean. What one fears often appears.

religiouslib
Aha!! Now you are getting close to why this conservative will NOT vote for McCain. Conservatism is staggering from the effects of Bush and a sell-out congress. Given the uninvolvement and simplistic conclusions of Suzy average voter, i want a Dem in there when 60 years of bad government hit the fan.

Savage99: ??? Did I miss that?
.

religiouslib of 11:50
And a polite tip o' the hat to you, too. How appropo i posted my comment on your McCain comment before i saw your disclaimer. Actually, i don't lump people either. Its hard enough for me to try to deal with them one at a time.

Anne
This morning i noted that it wqas so nice to read serious opinion on a troll-less thread. Wobbie promptly showed up, and VIC2 said something, and so forth. I didn't know you ere in IT. Me too, before i retired. No doubt i'm now as obsolete as a cavalry saddle.

Savage99
He showed up for a couple of posts and when he was ignored he left. LOL, that's what needs to happen most often.

Primary changes
What I have been saying for a long time now is that we should elliminate the primaries all together. Start the election with everyone who is going to run and then hold at least 3 or 4 runoff elections. Elliminate the bottom canidates at each runnoff until the last two are left, then hold the general election.

Of course that would elliminate the parties so it will never happen.

Vic & Savage99.....

"He showed up for a couple of posts and when he was ignored he left."

BINGO!



MM
Actually individual States would no longer metter at all unless you used an electrial college type vote on the initial runoffs.

Anne
Yes, isn't it strange. If you ignore the trolls they will leave.

Vic: :-)
.

Democrats and Elections
If Democrats cannot run an election,how can they run a country?

Election day should be on a Saturday.All elementary and high school students ,should learn civics and American History.Learn the Constitution,Federalist Papers,etc.We all need to know how the process works.More people would respect the voting process,if that was done.

No congressman should have longer term limits than the president.If rules are broken,the culprit should be suspended and lose his seniority,or resign.

Mainstream media should not have pre-election debates.If there are any unbiased intities,they should do the debates.All candidates should have the same amount of time and questions in debates.If it takes three hours,so be it.This election should be the last one time the mainstream media picks the nominees.

.


Congressional Lottery
I would trust a national lottery to determine the 435 members of the House better than the present system. If we paid them $1,000,000 a year and limited them to one term - it would be a bargain.

SOWELL
SOWELL is right on. Our electorate is largely unqualified to pick a Commander in Chief. It would be much smarter to let the politicos who have a vested interest in the ksurvival of their party pick the candidate at the convention like they used to. If the common man wants representation then you create a party convention ala Ross Perot.

SOWELL
SOWELL is right on. Our electorate is largely unqualified to pick a Commander in Chief. It would be much smarter to let the politicos who have a vested interest in the ksurvival of their party pick the candidate at the convention like they used to. If the common man wants representation then you create a party convention ala Ross Perot.

Bryan
Carlsbad, Ca

Dr. Sowell
This is more a general comment than a response to this particular column.

DR. SOWELL, YOU ARE THE GREATEST LIVING AMERICAN SAGE!!!

God bless you, and may you live long and continue to enlighten and entertain us.

Retired Geek
The congressional lottery idea is almost crazy enough to work. :o)

I've always had a wild idea for picking the next president that may actually be better.

You put all the names of people most qualified for the job into a supercomputer, and let the computer decide who is most qualified.

That person has 4 years to do the best job they can. If they do a bad job the 1st 4 years, they haveto stay 4 more years to fix it, before they're allowed to go back to their life. :o)

Heck, it can't be worse than what we have now. :o)

Primary System gone awry
FOR Democrats, think they have a choice????NOT! Most of the Democratic party is voting on feminism or race and the rest unaware of the true Socialistic agenda masked in Liberalism with its entitlement handout’s, bigger government, strangling taxes, global warming myths and LOVE NOT WAR mentality.
AS FOR "Republican voters, by avoiding “the will” to do anything is as nonsensical as saying "I want a bath, but I don't want to get wet." thanks Mr. Watts, for these quotes.
The excuse du jour –“What can I do?”, "I had a scheduling conflict", “I am sooo busy”, I have other very important things I have to do!” -- is the equivalent of "my dog ate my homework." All of us, in life, make time for things that are important to us. It's a matter of priorities.
One can only conclude that changing the base of our party isn't a priority to most of the GOP voters. Not only that, but when politicians make decisions affecting our freedoms we should be on the defensive and not sitting back with our typical APATHY as usual.
The bottom line is, you can spin it, but you can't defend it.
DO YOU THINK YOUR VOTE HAS REALLY MATTERED?

Do you, (voting)Citizen R or D, think you really have a choice of who gets into office, or who gets to run?

Did the people of Venezuela have real Democracy when they voted for Chavez or the Cubans that voted for Castro when they cast their ballot and most recently Iran? Nicaragua and many other countries are also a perfect example of how Democracy can be exploited when it’s people become complacent, apathetic, uninformed and subjected to propaganda.


Primary System gone awry
The inequity of our very flawed system??? who actually runs for president. The remaining states go to the polls with very little choice left; the early-voting primary states have already determined who remains by the careful orchestration of the party leaders having manipulated the order and dates of each state. Voters who sent in early ballots find their candidates no longer in the race. ALL STATE PRIMARIES SHOULD BE ON THE SAME DAY! This is the biggest manipulation of our vote to date. Ask the Party leaders? I see this as unequal, inequitable, undemocratic, unfair, discriminatory, and to me illegal and most certainly not A FREE CHOICE for all the people? Do we the people really have a say??? our votes are meaningless!

Grandma
The mainstream news media have more sway in who is elected than any party.They pick the one they want and give them a sounding board,while shutting the undesirables out.The debates proved that.They need to get out of the debate business.

They decided Obama and Hillary would be the front-runners in the Democratic Party and McCain and Huckabee would be the favorites in the Republican Party.

Independents,liberals(including newspeople)and yes,Democrats voted for McCain to give him the win.Now they are swooning over Obama,whitewashing(oh,did I say that?)his sins and pointing out Hillary's.She is dead meat to the newsmedia.

Folks,it is time for you to get wise about the left-wing news media.We have been had!!

Media
Your part right the media has a lot to do with it but they are all in bed together to promote the socialistic agenda so yes they all work together to take away any real choic we may have had and lets face it most polititians are in it for their own agrandizement, power and where else can they be collect their salary the rest of their life so the perks are pretty good. I am sick of always voting the lesser of the evils but this time there is no lesser the three slugging it our all stink, McLame is to me the Manchurian Candidate, get my drift TWG (Typical White Grandma) the other two are pure EVIL

Sowell is brilliant but wrong this time
> I assume that the backroom guys who saved us from Henry Wallace were also the same power brokers who gave us FDR and the New Deal. <

I agree.

Also, one has to remember that many facts were hidden from the people during that time. For example, FDR's physical problems were never mentioned by the press or the wheelchair, for example, shown in photographs. Because the "better people" of the press couldn't trust the "little people" with that info.

If Wallace had been exposed to the public for the idiot he was, he would likely not have been elected either. Hmm, then again, Gore still got selected, so I guess anything is possible.

Lack of choice
Great article Sir. If only we can have Teddy for president, Reagan for vice-president, and Patton as Secretary Of Defense while McArthur Chief Of Staff. What a great line up. I agree that is is the worse line up of candidate for the highest office in the world. If only we, the people, can push the federal government off of our backs.
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