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Tuesday, January 22, 2008
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dangerous Demagoguery
by Thomas Sowell
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Most people have too much of a sense of decency and too much common sense to have gone along with those horrors unless someone found a way to turn off their thinking and turn on their emotions.

That is how Jim Jones led hundreds of people to their deaths at Jonestown. On a much larger scale, that is how Lenin created a regime of mass murder in Russia, how Hitler did the same thing in Germany and Mao in China.

Yet we seem to be no more aware of a need to be on guard against demagoguery today, in the 21st century, than those people who looked up with open-mouthed adulation at Adolf Hitler in the 1930s and at numerous other demagogues, large and small, around the world throughout the turbulent 20th century.

Many people find it thrilling that the mantra of "change" is ringing out across the land during this election year. But let's do what the politicians hope that we will never do -- stop and think.

It is doubtful whether there is a single human being in this entire country who is 100 percent satisfied with everything that is going on. In other words, everybody is for change.

The real difference between liberals and conservatives is in which specific things they want to change, and in what way.

Milton Friedman was the leading conservative thinker of his time but he wanted to radically change the Federal Reserve, the school system, and the tax system, among other things.

Everybody is for change. They differ on the specifics. Uniting people behind the thoughtless mantra of "change" means asking for a blank check in exchange for rhetoric. That deal has been made many times in many places -- and millions of people have lived to regret it.

It is not too much to ask politicians to talk specifics, instead of trying to sweep us along, turning off our minds and turning on our emotions, with soaring rhetoric.

Optimists might even hope for some logical consistency and hard facts.

Barack Obama says that he wants to "heal America and repair the world." One wonders what he will do for an encore and whether he will rest on the seventh day.

That we have so many people who are ready to be swept along by such rhetoric is a huge danger, for it means that the fate of this great nation is at risk from any skilled demagogue who comes along.

Barack Obama says that he wants to "heal" the country while at the same time promoting the idea that all sorts of people are victims for whom he will fight.

Being divisive while proclaiming unity is something you can do only in the world of rhetoric.

Senator Obama has no monopoly on demagoguery, however. Former Senator John Edwards has been playing this game longer, even if not as effectively in the political arena.

John Edwards built his own fortune in the courtroom, depicting babies with birth defects as victims of the doctors who delivered them. The cost of such demagoguery has gone far beyond the tens of millions of dollars that Edwards pocketed for himself from gullible juries.

Such lawsuits based on junk science have driven up the cost of medical care, not only directly but even more so indirectly, by leading to an increase in Caesarean births and other costly "defensive medicine" to protect doctors rather than patients.

The world of John Edwards, like the world of Barack Obama, is a world of victims, whose savior he claims to be.

What is scary is how little interest the public and the media have in the actual track record of political saviors and the cry of generic "change."

America is not czarist Russia or Iran under the shah, so that people might think that any change was bound to be for the better. Yet even in those despotic countries the changes -- to communism and to the ayatollahs -- made them far worse.

The time is long overdue for voters to demand specifics instead of rhetoric that turns their emotions on and their minds off.

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2008 Ticket
Let's draft a Sowell for President! Especially if all the better the republicans can do is mccain.

Change & a Bridge to 21st Century
Fortunately we elected a Democrat in 1996.
It's hard to imagine what would have happened to us if Bill Clinton had not been allowed to build us that Bridge To The 21st Century? . . . The end of time, I suppose.

Excellent article as usual Dr Sowell
The democrats are calling for change, but no one has bother to ask what they want to change to.

Change for change's sake is not a good thing. It's like when the wife asks me what i want to eat and I say "Surprise me", sometimes the answer is "Surprise, you don't eat!".

Are we telling our candidates the same thing?

Do we really want to see Hillrack Clintward's Surprise?


chuck -- on Presidential Draft
"Let's draft a Sowell for President!"

Well, Ron Paul is already running. He has at least as much chance that Dr. Sowell has.

Politicians and Change - - -
It suddenly occurs to me --

Remember the old joke? "How can you tell when a politician is lying? His lips are moving."

Well then -- if all the politicians are promising "change", and they're lying, then what we'll really get is more of the same old same old.

Which might be a good thing, if the same old is no worse than before!

Change the World....
Who can ever forget that callow stripling Obama, fresh from an --ONE--Unexpected victory in Iowa, exhorting his monkey-howling supporters before NHampshire...with these words...

"Now let's go out and change the world!".

That was when I knew that I would be voting for the other guy....


First paragraph missing
Unless my browser is not displaying the page properly, the first paragraph of this essay is missing.

It should start:

"Most of the horrors of the 20th century — of which there were many — would not have been possible without demagoguery or misleading propaganda."

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell012208.php3

''It is not too much to ask...''
--
"...politicians to talk specifics," says Dr. Sowell.

Oh? And yet the single one among all the presidential candidates - Republican or Democrat - who *DOES* (and who speaks on the basis of the impeccably sound economic principles of the Austrian School, and voices many of the arguments repeatedly taken up by the late Milton Friedman) is dismissed as a "kook" by the MSM and the Townhall "Rockefeller Republicans" alike.

Dr. Sowell, I'm afraid that the majority of your readers in this little Internet Amen Corner - even those who consider themselves "conservatives" - just bloody well don't get it.

And couldn't perceive the point if you were to paint it on a tenpenny nail and hammer it through their skulls.

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onthow
Thanks. I thought something was amiss - as if we were starting in the middle of something. I know that Dr. Sowell writes better that that!

Dr. Sowell
constantly shows new facets. And now a bent for gentle sarcasm. "One wonders what he will do for an encore, and whether he will rest on the seventh day". Talking with a liberal friend, she remarked "My worst fear is a Obama/Huckabee contest". I agreed, because they are both pie in the sky demagogues who can not posssibly deliver on what they say. More frightening is the number of people who are enthusiastically following these pied pipers.

onthow
Good catch. That makes a world of difference.

My take on the Lamocrat race is that they are all far left Communists. One does not have to wonder what they wish to change. They will be the typical socialist/communist agent supporting high taxes, social spending for the lazy, loss of liberty for all, and surrender to foreign agression.

In short, anyone who supports them is crazy.

I've wanted to ask
Obama for a long time. "Change what? Socks? Underwear? What?

When Democrats talk about change, it is inevitably change toward more Socialism. They are short on specifics because they don't want to tip their hand.






To SJ Doc
I'm guessing you refer to Ron Paul. He may be sound economically, but he does sound a little off when he blames us for the 9/11 attacks.

Running for Class President
Obama is running for class president. His rhetoric is eerily similar to the pablum spouted by high school valedictorians and Popular Kids who have no experience of life and think everyone should be guaranteed to start where their parents ended up after 30 years of hard work.

The rest of them will say anything to get elected.

What a surprise.

We Don’t Expect Him To Win

Edwards Aides: We Don’t Expect Him To Win A Single Primary

Is this the Rudy strategy you win by loosing?

NYT- It looked like sweet relief for John Edwards that more than 1,700 miles separated him from the Nevada caucuses on Saturday.

He had left Las Vegas the day before, bouncing from Oklahoma to Missouri to Georgia, when he was hit with the news of his dismal third-place showing, in which he captured only 4 percent of the vote.

A smile set grimly on his face, Mr. Edwards climbed back on his plane headed to South Carolina, walked to the back and whirled around.

“What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas,” he declared, then burst into laughter.

But even with Nevada behind him, Mr. Edwards, a former senator from North Carolina, is facing the South Carolina primary on Saturday, where he is trailing far behind in the polls. Even his closest advisers are acknowledging that he no longer expects to come in higher than third place, in the state where he was born and where his campaign had anticipated a strong showing.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/edwards-aides-we-d on%e2%80%99t-expect-him-to-win-a-single-primary

Jimmy Carter
Remember him? "Vote for me, I have a plan."

He never said what his plan was. The MSM did not press for it. Remember the '70s?

Agree, but it won't happen!
"Barack Obama says that he wants to "heal America and repair the world." One wonders what he will do for an encore and whether he will rest on the seventh day."

LMAO

"The time is long overdue for voters to demand specifics instead of rhetoric that turns their emotions on and their minds off."

The time is long overdue, like nearly a century and a half. Won't happen though. Far too many people meander through life specifically without thinking or questioning their existence against the backdrop of the world we live in.

Those that assume that the masses want only "bread and circus" assume correctly. People only get "unrestful" when that finally isn't provided for one reason or another.

I leave the enthusiasms of elections...
...to the young.I am more cynical because I have seen too many of them.I am,at the same time,less fearful,because I have seen too many of them.I know that four years from now there will be another presidential election,and the "view with alarm",and "point with pride" will start all over again.Somehow America manages to muddle through and life goes on for us common folk.

Wake me on November 9 and let me know how everything turned out.

Meanwhile,we have the Super Bowl to look forward to.First things first."God's in his heaven,all's right with the world".

Excellent article!
We may be a little slow on the uptake, but when we do get it we, the American people, sometimes manage to set things right.

Though the process is not always pretty, get the specifics out to us and we'll set things right.

Troubling
The troubling part of this century is, we know. We know Socialism fails in its intent and its economics. We know the Clintons are scum and they have brought discredit on our institutions. We know our culture is slipping through our hands. We know our immigration policy is wrong and out of control. We know our children are not being educated properly and we suspect they are being filled with Socialist propaganda in the school house. We know our Constitution is being totally ignored and even being amended by the Judicial Branch of our government. We know we need to change our direction and have some measure of sanity and order returned to our government. We are in "quicksand" reaching for something to grab on to but none of the "grab ons" (candidates) look like they will help. Nevertheless, we have to grab on to something and pray we survive until reason is finally restored.

It may not be all roses and sunshine
The media talks about the Republican disarray in the primaries. I think the Lames are in a bigger disarray. Personally, I don’t think any of the three Dem candidates could beat a decent Republican candidate. With that thought I find it interesting that in Mark Steyn’s last column he states the following with regard to the Lamocrats and the 08 election:

“Suppose it's another 50/50 election with a narrow GOP victory dependent on the electoral college votes of one closely divided state. It's not hard to foresee those stickered Dems concluding that the system has now been entirely delegitimized.”

While the last election wasn’t a 50/50 election in the vote, it did come down to one last State and the Electoral College. And like 2000, the Lames screamed foul, voting irregularities, cheating, etc. That has become the norm now for portions of the Lamocrat Party when they do not win, even when in a primary with no Republicans in the race, the losers cry foul and “voting irregularities”.

This does not bode well for the 08 election or for the U.S.; particularly if the Republicans manage to filter out the RINOs and run a real conservative that beats the leading Lamocrat. The Dems will once again scream “election fraud” except that this time it is likely that a lot of the Kos type more radicals will take to the streets.

The Super Bowl????
Let me know how that works out for you when we are further down the road to socialism with more entrenched and impossible to irradicate programs (like UHC) instituted by our polititians that have a history of screwing things up, won't you?

Once Upon a Time, Beirut was the "Paris of the middle east".....

Just because the US is a bigger country, it doesn't mean that those little chips away from our foundations will never add up to the collapse of the house.

Anyone who doesn't think this is a vitally important election year is asleep...WAKE UP ALREADY!

Mr. Sowell
I'm glad to see you addressing this issue, but sad that it is necessary.

The first time I heard some young person say he was voting for Obama because he wanted change, I almost could not believe my ears. That promise is one that politicians have been making almost since the beginning of politics itself. I can't think of a more worn out, empty cliché. The fact that people still fall for it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

All these people clamoring for change may end up getting just that. They may throw away the greatest government system humanity has had the privilege of living under, and in the end looking back with longing on the good old days before everything "changed."

Nam65-66
It is this attitude of complacency that has gotten our country into this mess.

You would never hear a democrat talk like you are talking. They understand what is at stake.

I guess you don't care what kind of country you live in just so you have television.

Thomas, Thomas, Thomas LMAO
"The time is long overdue for voters to demand specifics instead of rhetoric that turns their emotions on and their minds off."

After the pure unadulterated demagoguery of "god", they are going to take Christ away, "guns", they are coming to take our guns away, "gays", they will turn our children GAY, all lies, all emotion and all nonsense but it worked for almost six years. Sorry, Americans have awakened and your fundamentalist conservatism goes in the trash with fascism and communism where it belongs.

Thanks for the laugh though LMAO

For all my Ron Paul
supporting friends, cohorts, and (possibly) family members, listen up. With the glaring exception of his foreign policy ideas, and his blame the US first for the world wide terror that's occurring, Ron Paul's insistence on following the constitution's tenets is admirable and easily supportable.

What you are having difficulty understanding is that the lack of support for Paul has mainly to do with the man himself. Like it or not, he's just not impressive as an individual. Wait, wait, don't go getting nuts on me. I didn't say he wasn't a good guy. Hell, Richard Simmons seems to be a good guy, but I wouldn't vote for him for president. Seem shallow to you? Maybe, but for all his pecadillos, GWB comes across as manmountain dean compared to Paul on the right, and Carter on the left. One of the human beings I dislike the most in the world is easily more presidential than Paul could ever be, and that's WJC (God help us).

I don't mean to sound like I speak for every non-supporting conservative. Just wanted to explain why RP is not really all that from my perspective.

Donahue,
your idiocy grows by leaps and bounds, you poor, retired AF officer. By the way, read the book yet? Let's see, how does it go? Oh yeah, LMAO. God, that's clever. I don't see why others don't use it.

Chopper John
Far more people drown in shallow water than in deep water.

I am not voting for a personality. I don't need a leader. I am voting for a Chief Executive, an administrator. Charisma is irrelevant to thinking people. I am voting for a constitutional republic. No one but Ron Paul offers that option.

Mr. Sowell, you mised the big one!
When Thomas Sowell speaks, conservatives listen. But you missed the big fish(es) in this column. You said, "That we have so many people who are ready to be swept along by such rhetoric is a huge danger, for it means that the fate of this great nation is at risk from any skilled demogogue who comes along." True. Very true. But why speak of the soaring, but empty, rhetoric of Barack Obama and the increasingly marginalized John Edwards while giving HildeBill, the true maestros of the politics of personal destruction, a free pass?

Obama, in a radio station interview gives a very honest and reasonable assessment of the Republican party over the past 15 years and refers to them as the party of ideas, while praising Reagan and passing over Bill Clinton as being tools of change. Clinton quickly demagogues this factual characterization and twists it to say that Obama said the republicans had "better ideas" than the democrats did. Thus, he throws some red meat to a base that wanted to impeach Nixon, hated Reagan, accused Bush-41 of benign neglect for an economy in retreat, and would have hung his son, Bush-43, had they caught him walking alone down 42nd Street. It makes no difference whether or not what the ex-Prez said was true. It does, however, make Obama look like the 5-year old who wanted to be President rather than an honest candidate who sees things as they are and says so. The Clintons will lay in the weeds and twist everything he says until Obama beomes, as Howard Cosell would've said, "a shadow of his former self." The Clintons are the true demagogues.

Take the plank out of your own eye
Sowell: "Barack Obama says that he wants to "heal" the country while at the same time promoting the idea that all sorts of people are victims for whom he will fight.
Being divisive while proclaiming unity is something you can do only in the world of rhetoric."

Thanks for showing us his divisiveness.
Claiming that people are victims is not divisive at
least not in any palpable way.
When Obama's vague you can check the issues part of
his website.
I encourage Mr. Sowell to do so to check the
"actual track record of political saviors . . .
cry[ing] "change."

At this point in history there is no reason to
have this column on "track records" and "plans
for change" when anyone with a little know how
can find the candidates websites and see what
their biography is and what they have done.

This would be a good article in 1992 when you
had to count on the press to relay the plans of
candidates or you had to ask the candidate to
mail you their plan, but this column is useless
and NOT TRUE.

You might not like their records or plans or want
it in more detail but to say "no track record" is
to show you don't know how to google. Not
acceptable for a columnist today. 1 check.

Well, this IS the problem ...
Elections reward candidates who can offer the soaring substanceless rhetoric of "change." Politicians give the voters what they want to hear and are smart enough to know that what they want to hear is "fluff."

It's all in the voice inflection and creating scapegoats, or as Sowell labels them, victims.

It is a George Orwell world. Candidates for "change" are of course actually for the status quo, which is a more active state and larger government "cures."

All we can do is hope a few audience members (or maybe, by some miracle, the press) challenge candidates to be more specific and explain why they are attacking or making scapegoats out of the "haves" and X, Y, Z industries.

Edwards is doing in politics what he did as a plaintiff's lawwyer - exploiting the gullibility and ignorance and victim cult of many voters (like he used to do with juries).

Democracy is not perfect. Today, you get elected and keep power by pandering to the masses, who are not overly enlightened. Tell the people what they want to hear. Tell them they are not to blame for their lot in life. Tell them you are from the govermment and you are here to help set them free!

The only presidential candidate I know of who does not play this game and never has - who actually talks about ideas and personal responsibility and consequences for personal actions - can only get 5 to 14 percent of the vote and is pretty much ignored by the MSM and most columnists and pundits.

Americans love their Nanny State and Obama, Clinton, Edwards, McCain, Romney and Huckabee know that. They will make Nanny bigger and better, just like the candidates will four years from now. We'll want more of the same then ... meaning "change" of course.






Dr.Sowell
I thought you were an Economist.I am eager to hear your take on our present economy.Have you retired?Or are you afraid to venture an opinion?Come on and show ME what you GOT!I DARE YOU...

I don't know...
I think I'll just wait for winter solstice 2012.

Insighting Truth,
you don't need a leader? Without one, you'll certainly not get a constitutional republic. An administrator? Holy cow, you do know what commander-in-chief implies do you not?

Your shallow water implication may be cute, but no more pertinent than rose colored glasses.

The change most of us want
whether democrat or republican is change coming from statesmen, statesmen who have an ideolology to guide them but also are realistss and know change is incremental, not a single event.

For the past almost eight years of President Bush's tnure, no move, no decision or appointment has been accepted by the other side. None!Not only that, with the help of the MSM not a day goes by without criticism and name calling.

Should democrats win the election and be in charge, I hope republicans will not retailiate in kind and will try to set an example and try to compromise and work out the best deals possible. Then, they would be statesmen not politicians. The first step to making this happen would be to get rid of Charles Schumer, the most partisan politician ever.

Mick7
You got Obama right.
Maybe he should be called the "straight talk
express"

He goes in front of the teachers union meeting and
talks of merit pay.
The black organization (sorry forget which) and
emphasizes responsibility
Wall Street and talks about corporate responsibility.

Not sure this will get him many votes with these
people, but at least he doesn't sugar coat for the
selected audience / special interest group.

Thank you....
...Dr. Sowell, so such an insightful column. Sometimes I feel as if I'm watching the Mt. Sinai scene in "The Ten Commandments", where Ed. G. Robinson seduces the Hebrews into following a false idol, made at the hands of Moses' brother, Aaron. Yes, one person can be smart and question the siren's song, but put people together with a glib-tongued devil and they are like cattle.

RP
Ron Paul on domestic policy: A+++++

Ron Paul on foreign policy: F--------------

I can't vote for a guy who's a blame-America-firster.

Vic, I wish you were correct, but
as Dr. Sowell put it "That we have so many people who are ready to be swept along by such rhetoric is a huge danger, for it means that the fate of this great nation is at risk from any skilled demogogue who comes along.", unfortunately, the majority of our sheeple are simply dumb enough to swallow the rhetoric hook line and sinker and are truely as stupid as Clinton thought they are. That is why politicians lie so much, the sheeple never make them pay for their lies.

Considering that the only candidate that has provided specifics on many issues is Fred Thompson, and it looks like Fred is going nowhere, it is obvious that the voters don't want specifics as long as the platatudes sound nice. You can go back to the last candidate that spoke the ugly truth, Barry Goldwater, for another perfect example of how shallow most voters are.

It does not look good for our country at this point.

my own take on it
Sure, I’ve always understood that “Change” and “Bringing people together” spoken by a corrupt leftist collectivist actually translates to “Change to accept my orders and give up property through force or manipulation”.
The US is split into two philosophic camps with one rightly thinking in terms of individual freedom, property ownership and a reversal from this bloated Frankenstein monster of a Federal government that is incrementally enslaving the populace and the other falsely believing in its own freedom or happy giving up more to lazy and ignorantly suckle on the entitlement tit, becoming slaves to the nanny state.

The two cannot coexist. The American producers cannot support anymore moochers and the robbers need to be ejected from the parties. America must back away from the rampaging nanny state or a hellish civil war will be inevitable.

Yes we need to come together only we must do so far away from the perilous, destructive realm of collective and move closer to the traditions of our founder’s enlightened individualism.

A big concern is
....that mesmerizing speaking voice that Obama has. His words are empty, but they sound so good that far too many people seem hypnotized by it.

Sowell is a bias fraud p1
Once again Sowell has engaged in a partisan attack on the Democratic candidates by unfairly declaring the democratic candidates "demagogues" while ignoring the rhetoric and ambiguity of the Republican candidates and our current president.

Sowell states " The time is long overdue for voters to demand specifics instead of rhetoric that turns their emotions on and their minds off". Well president Bush has engaged in this sort of “demagoguery” with his “axis of evil" speeches along with his ambiguous rhetoric of "winning the war on terrorism”, while constantly changing what that has actually meant over the past 4 years. The war has gone from getting WMD’s from Saddam, to securing Bagdad, to holding elections, to now supporting a surge that will allow political reconciliations. What will be next? Why hasn’t Sowell asked, or written about how destructive economically this process has been for our country?

Sowell is a bias fraud p2
Sowell states that “The time is long overdue for voters to demand specifics instead of rhetoric that turns their emotions on and their minds off.” Yet Sowell never ask or writes anything about how the Republican candidates plan to pay for the war that most of them want to continue in Iraq. We have one of the largest budget deficits in our countries history, yet the republican candidates want to continue a war that is bankrupting our country, and disrupting our economy. As an accomplished economist, one would think Sowell would ask some tough questions about that, instead of demonizing the Democrats, who actually want to stop the financial and human bleeding. Mccain says “the surge is working”. Working towards what? Romney talks of “change”, without giving “specifics”. Where is his condemnation by Sowell? Sowell is nothing but a bias, partisan political fraud. It is people like him who are destroying this country.

Blame America First?
Our monetary system forces us into a position of Middle East schizophrenia. Saudi Arabia is arguably the largest state sponsor of terrorism; yet we laud it as a trusted ally. The reason: we rely on the Royal Family to use its influence within OPEC to prop up the Federal Reserve Note (U.S. "dollar" - dollar of interest-bearing, monopolized, limitless, fiat debt, repaid by you and me) as the international medium of exchange. It allows us to live beyond our means--for a season--and for politicians to deliver on unsustainable promises--for a season.

15 August 1971 . . .

America's overreaching involvement in the Muslim world is implicit in this arrangement. Many Muslims find this not to their liking. Blowback is inevitable.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong or self-loathing or duplicitious about confessing and seeking to remediate self-destructive faults. The Bible records King David as, among other things, a fornicator and murderer because King David was, among other things, a fornicator and murderer. And even the great Caesar had to pay his army.

Ron Paul loves his country enough to reconcile feel-good jingoistic bluster with inexorable mathematical realities. He wants to keep us solvent; he wants to keep us sovereign, self-sustaining, respectable and responsible. But he does not tickle our ears' itch for all-is-well prattle. For this the Rockefeller wing seeks to suppress him.

Perhaps a den of thieves and pleasure addicts such as we've become does not merit a citizen-statesman of Dr. Paul's caliber. Perhaps his 30 years of consistent conservatism that extols individual rights over group claims is too much for us to swallow whole.

Hey, AT,
besides all that, he's an Uncle Tom, too, right?

Let me see if I have this correct. Sowell, a conservative, is a bias(ed) political fraud, and, well, you're not. Would that be accurate?

Change, or, wanna buy a bridge?
Mr. Sowell is accurate when saying "Most of the horrors of the 20th century — of which there were many — would not have been possible without demagoguery or misleading propaganda."
Too many in America do not bother to check out the history of those running for public office. Too many depend on what their neighbor or a friend tells them. Too many want all to be right with the world, so they blindly accept.
It may not happen in my time. I fast approach the twilight of life. But, the day will come when those who desire freedom will have to fight in the streets for those freedoms, right here in America.
Personally, I wish it would happen tomorrow so I could participate & drive the anti-Americans out!

UNITY IS WHAT WE NEED?
Can't we all agree that the pharmaceutical, insurance, banking and oil companies are nothing but greedy, money grubbing sob's who should be nationalized immediately! I'm pretty sure this is the Dems and McCain's platform. Oh wait this seems to be what I read from Mr Chavez in Venezuela and we know his biggest hero is Castro. Don't we all want to live in a nice socialist heaven like Cuba?

Chopper John:
No, I do not need a leader, thank you. I am an adult. I think for myself. I provide for myself. I take full responsibility for my own actions.

The Framers were skeptical of "leaders" they divided that role among three competing groups of administrators in order to forestall the propensity of the immature and foolish to blindly follow charismatic demagogues. They also created the electoral college as an additional defence. Not to mention the adoption of the jury system, and the rule of law.

The proper place for would-be leaders of men is in the military where leadership is a valuable asset. The title Commander-in-Chief is a reminder to the generals and admirals that the people are in charge. The C-in-C dose not have the authority to declare war, only the people through their representatives can do that.

If you want a leader, join the Boy Scouts. I want a functionary that will obey the law, mind the limited business of government, and otherwise leave me alone to live my life as I see fit.

Sowell shows why GOP is fractured
and the Dems are not. Read this article carefully, Sowell, as usual, write at length about what he is against, but what is he for?

Where is the excitement on the GOP side? Around which candidate is the GOP coalescing? Which untapped voters is the GOP garnering?

Many here refer ad infinatum to Reagan. Well, two of the things that propelled the Reagan candidacy was the vague yet compelling 'Shining City on the Hill', and his ability to connect with voters on a visceral and emotional level.

Personally I haven't caught the Obama bug yet, but I'll tell you, when I saw people break down in tears of joy at his NH win, it became clear to me that he's got something going that transcends policy and substance.

YLG
"YO" Miss Scarlett!! How are you today? Feeling better I hope. I think I finally may be turning the corner on this cold! And I think that I have the demo-whackos to thank for it. When the Hildabeast accussed Obambi about campaign monies coming from a crook, I hacked out all the stuff in my chest. Thanks Hildabeast, not only for the hack, but for the laugh I got also.

Republicans are worse
Remember when Reagan quoted Paine who said, "We have it in our power to begin the world over again"? For Republicans the victims are white males, taxpayers, gun owners, conservative Christians, soldiers, fetuses, and so on. No Democrat pushes the salvation angle more than Republicans. Republicans claim to be the party of Jesus Christ, for crying out loud. Sowell's essay is ridiculous.

Rich L
Note that I qualified my statement with if the Republicans nominate a "decent" candidate. If they nominate a RINO like Rudy or McShame the Lames will win and therrefore they will not b*tch about election fraud.

Anthony Thomas
" We have one of the largest budget deficits in our countries history, yet the republican candidates want to continue a war that is bankrupting our country, and disrupting our economy

Hello MCFLY Anyone Home???? (Knocking on AT head)

I'm not going to go into any specifics becuasce I don't have time but it's obvious to me that you really don't have a clue. I will say that Dr. Sowell only proves that liberals think more on emotion than the value of any intellect.

Nuff said

SSGT
That was probably the best line, EVER, BAR NONE!!

I'm pretty over it, too, but keep sneezing all over the place every morning. I hope you had a great weekend, btw. Hubby was on call, so I was stuck at home, with only the kids and TH for company.

If I never hear the "Spongebob" jingle it will be too soon...

Did anyone watch?
Did anyone watch the Dem debate last night? I did--the first time ever--nearly gave myself a heart attack. What struck me was that, as Sowell points out, they want change--except that all the change is purely Marx in it's style. I counted 3 solid quotes from the communist manifesto! Are the American people this tupid to sit a listen to direct quoting from Marx and still clap when the point is finished?

I do have to dissagree with Sowell on one thing though. The Dems had plenty of specifics--they are going to specifically take away my choice to have or not have health care and replace it with manditory universal care. They are going to take force drug companies to negotiate drug prices. They are going to take away bigger and bigger chunks of my paycheck to ensure that ALL people have equal housing. They are promising that the color of skin will be the only thing that will get you into college, get a mortgage, and a job. They are promising that if you can't support yourself they will do it. They are promising a "great collective" where all services are free to all, and that money will be shared equally. They want to give amnesty, they want to give tax refunds to people who don't even pay taxes in order to stimulate the economy. They are promising lots of specifics--all of which undermine the republic and the very fiber of what it means to be American.

sheepdog
"I'm not going to go into any specifics becuasce I don't have time but it's obvious to me that you really don't have a clue. I will say that Dr. Sowell only proves that liberals think more on emotion than the value of any intellect."

What don’t I have a clue about??? What have I said that's false, misleading or not true??? What have I said that requires you to insult me in that childish manor without giving any specific reason why??? You don’t have time give specifics, but you have time to give insults for no reason. Does our country not have trade and budget deficits??? I really don't get your silly little post.

beyond the pale
Seeing as most schools only teach who Karl Marx was, and NOT what he said, I'm not surprised.

YLG
Awe, common. That sounds like some good child bonding to me! At least you had a choice not to watch the kids debate on CNN. That was like watching three crumb crunchers cyring over spilt milk. haha
CHANGE!!!
CHANGE!!!
CHANGE!!!

Vic, which decent candidate is left?
Hunter is out, Thompson is probably out, that leaves McShame, the bald Hillary, Mitt and the Huckster. The only one I can possibly vote for is Mitt and I don't like his stances on many issues.

beyond the pale, I tried to watch one of the Dems "debates" and I almost broke my TV. I definately scared the heck out of the cat with my yelling at it. Only lasted about 5-6 minutes, it scares me to no end that one of them is likely to be President. The sheeple are truely dense and it was proved long ago that Americans are no different than the Germans in their capacity to follow orders to commit heinous acts on fellow citizens as long as the person in authority took responsibility. We do not have enough sheepdogs to keep the wolves at bay.

SSGT
I remember the main word in 2000 was "gravitas". Then in 2004 it was "red meat" (two words, but same difference). Now, the word is "change". I wonder what the 2012 word will be...."Lightbulb"? "Compost"? "Tableleg"??

I think it should be "Antidisestablishmentarianism", or "Compost", whichever fits best.

Change
I have a new campaign slogan for some democrat:

Obama will give you change, I will give you folding money!

Honestly, I am so sick of the word "change" I can't look at a Coinstar machine. If there is one thing that would make me vote for a candidate right now it would be one who promised "more of the same". I don't like our current situation, but I am just that sick of the promises of "change".

Guys, face it, we can't re-elect George Bush, and 2000, as well as 2004, are gone and won't come back, so change is inevitable. We know we are getting change, so shut up about it already. Why not give us a few specifics?




rob
"Bush is over. Sowell is talking about the future and we all better pay attention to it. You can bring in Republicans, that's fine, but let's give the Bush bashing a rest, especially since it has little to do with what Sowell's main point is."

If you read Sowell’s last column, he spent 1/3 of it bashing Bill Clinton, even though the column was about the primary elections. Also, this column was about so called “Dangerous Demagoguery”, so I think it is very much relevant to talk about the sitting president who has engaged in this sort of activity with past comments, and more recent ones like making references to WW3 to defend his foreign policy. Also Bush is not “over”, he’s still in office, still making decisions, and still screwing this country up. Finally, I brought up Bush and the republican candidates to show how overwhelmingly bias and intellectually fraudulent Sowell is for not critiquing “Dangerous Demagoguery” from a comprehensive perspective. If he were to do this, he would include Bush and republicans in his critique. And yes this sort of partisanship is destroying our country.

Yes, we need change,
and the change we need is to not elect another elite from either party. The two major parties have been manipulating the entire process, witness the stripping of delegates from the states that changed their primary dates. Once again, the people were denied their rights.

We should institute real change by denying the elites the presidency in 2008. It is the only way we can begin a restoration of the constitutional principles upon which this great country was founded and excelled. If we fall for the false propaganda promoted by the DEM/GOP/MSM machines that only the elites have the necessary wisdom, knowledge, and experience to govern, we will only get more of the same old same old. As Einstein said, doing the same thing and expecting different results is insane.

If you want to see a change to common sense solutions and approaches to the challenges facing our nation, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG. It is the one place to see how the elites have rigged the system, squandered our resources, weakened our military, and mortgaged the future for our kids.

Check it out, why not? The elites have robbed us of our inheritance! Isn't it time we rejected their lies and reclaimed what is rightfully ours? If not now, when will it be that time. Thanks, Joe

Change
Rubicon, you've got it right, and like you, I want them to take to the streets now while I can participate. It's a helluva note when a German/Irish/Catholic/Marine of 65 years wants to take to the streets against the liberal, socialist, communist's of the Democrat Party, but it's necessary because of 75 years of the Democrat Nanny state. The WWII generation was not the "greatest" generation. It was the worst generation because they forgot what they had fought for, and elected L/S/C Democrats. The greatest generation was the raggity troops of George Washington who gave us this freedom that the Dem's want to destroy.

Keep your powder dry!

Semper Fi,

WMR

rob
"Why do so many of you want to point fingers at either the Democrats or Republicans? "

Why don't you offer that same critique of Sowell????

andrews
Just an aside to let you know how much I enjoyed and appreciated your take on roberto's sign-off. I saw it at GunnyG's blog, and had to refill my cup of coffee, I was laughing that hard!

AT no clue
"What don’t I have a clue about??? What have I said that's false, misleading or not true???"


Here's one perfect example of your very own words:

"We have one of the largest budget deficits in our countries history"

This statement is blatantly false. As a percentage of GDP, the government deficit is WELL BELOW the average for the past 40 years. Anyone with a grounding in economics knows this.


Here's another one:

" the republican candidates want to continue a war that is bankrupting our country, and disrupting our economy."

Yet the past 6 years have seen one of the greatest periods of economic growth in the nation's history with most economic indicators (unemployment, interest rates, inflation, stock prices, etc) at far better levels than during the "go go" years of your hero Clinton's administration. Even including the costs of the Iraq War (and not even mentioning the HUGE benefit to the world of Saddam Hussein with his neck in a noose), the defense budget as a percentage of GDP is also well below historical norms.

This is precisely the type of false demagoguery aimed at an ignorant populace that Sowell decries.

AT
By the way, Saddam's Iraq and present Islamic Iran and Stalinist North Korea ARE evil regimes and threats to the civilized world. Why do you think that those of us who have a rational sense of right and wrong (as opposed to the SUPERIOR world view of your ilk) are demagogues as a result?

Does not the omnipresent,
Liberty-devouring fear of "Islamofascists" constitute demagoguery? I mean, fair's fair.

And did anybody catch Obama's Michigan victory speech? Just who does he think he is to promise $20 billion of taxpayer money to the auto industry?

YLG
I normally wouldn't bother, but he is getting ever more incoherent. He started off as a blowhard, but at least one you could understand. Now, I swear he sounds drunk when he posts. It doesn't even make sense any more.

Well, off to chow!

Latttter!

Some blather, some bleat, long live the Rob-public!


emotional conservatives
first the idea that democrats are emotional and conservatives are rational is simply dogmatic myth pushed by the biased conservative media.

lets see, what is it conservatives care about?

abortion--- the argumnent is that it is murder.
now of course that is not an emotional response right?


gays-- how will they ruin hetereosexual marriage?

conservatives have no rational answer they just "feel" it will.

immigration--no rational person believes we can logistically or morally deport 12 million people but conservatives "feel" that is the answer.

national security---living in fear on a daily basis because of some stone age clerics is not rational.

finally, we need a leader with dreams and a vision.
i watch romney with his giant "to do list" white board and i laugh.

i have been in a 100 meetings like that, and most of them accomplishing little.

all the great leaders could inspire, that is more important than any one policy or issue.;







Buzzkat
I know what you mean about the economy. I noticed that unemployment "soared to 5%" under Bush, yet under Clinton it "fell to an unprecedented 5%".

When 1 million jobs are created during the Bush administration it isn't enough to keep up with population growth, but under Clinton it was a sign of a thriving economy.

I used to have a list of such pairs of statements, but it got boring after a while. basically anything Bush did was horrible and the exact same event under Clinton was wonderful.

If Clinton had been president during Kartrina I don't doubt it would have been sold as a bold move at urban renewal in New Orleans.

Religious lib
Actually, the idea that abortion is murder is not emotional.

The question is a logical one. It is simply a dispute over when a fetus becomes an individual.

If a fetus can survive outside the womb at, say 22 weeks, then why is it not a legal individual?

How is that emotional?

Secondly, I think those "stone age clerics" managed to destroy a few thousand of our citizens, despite your propaganda view of them. Nor would it stop them from detonating a bomb or releasing biological agents if they can buy them.

To worry that someone who attacked us once may do so again, especially when they say they intend to do so, is not emotional, but a reasonable assumption.

Try again.

Rich L.
Fred has officially dropped out yet but after him I guess there is Romney. With him you can only hope that the rhetoric is true and not just another empty campaign promise. After Romney we would be stuck between even more liberal RINOs and a crack pot. In that case we will be having a Democrat president.

Wording
Not sure why I used "individual" instead of "person: which would have been a much better word.

Also, I did leave out a second question, still not emotional:

If an entity will become a legal person, then can it be destroyed before reaching the status of person without it being murder? That is not an emotional query either.

I just don't get how you consider all of the questions surrounding abortion as being "emotional". Most are quite sensible questions one needs to answer before deciding the legal permissibility of abortion. To decide such things in either direction is hardly an emotional matter.

And, yes, if you decide them in one direction, abortion is murder. So that is not an emotional argument, simply a concise summary of one position.



buzzkat
Anthony said:

We have one of the largest budget deficits in our countries history"

Buzzkat said:

“This statement is blatantly false. As a percentage of GDP, the government deficit is WELL BELOW the average for the past 40 years. Anyone with a grounding in economics knows this”

The statement is not false, we have a huge budget deficit. The money in our economy and the government’s money are two separate things. The economy obviously still has money, but our government is broke. Why do you think our government has been borrowing money from countries like China to finance our foreign policy???

Anthony said:
the republican candidates want to continue a war that is bankrupting our country, and disrupting our economy."

Buzzkat said:
“Yet the past 6 years have seen one of the greatest periods of economic growth in the nation's history with most economic indicators (unemployment, interest rates, inflation, stock prices, etc) at far better levels than during the "go go”….”


Anthony says:
What!!! I think you should read a newspaper because our economy isn’t doing that well right now. Inflation and interest rates are rising and the housing market is collapsing. Home foreclosures are also at a record high. Also, none of what you say takes away the fact that our government is going broke. Despite what the economy is doing, our government has to borrow and print money to sustain itself, and our currency is being destroyed. (The UK and Canadian dollar are worth more than ours now) These things have happened as a result of Bush tax cuts and his over spending, primarily on our foreign policy.

bryce
"Personally I haven't caught the Obama bug yet, but I'll tell you, when I saw people break down in tears of joy at his NH win, it became clear to me that he's got something going that transcends policy and substance."

I don't know in which parallel universe you exist, Bryce, but here on planet earth, Hillary Clinton won the NH primary.

YLG-Ssgt-Chopper John-The Usual Suspects
Obama’s call for change evokes imagery to Pie-in-The-Sky, Non-Critical, Thinkers. It is NEBULOUS enough to SOUND GOOD, but IT MEANS NOTHING!

As evidence, I offer the following statement. I made 2 VERY IMPORTANT changes in my like this morning.

Socks and Underwear :).

And Yes
I am aware that my second question also calls into question the acceptability of contraception as well.

I did not say that I agree with the most extreme positions, I simply state that these are the questions one needs to answer, and that answering them, or asking them, is not emotional, but simply the necessary precursor to deciding whether abortion should be legal or not.

andrews/buzzkat
If you don't stop throwing all these tidy little facts out there, your gonna make some of the little libsquirts start running to their mummies crying foul, foul. Mummy, they are not playing fair. They keep using facts to back up their stories. Tell them to stop.

religiouslib: Your right, of course. Abortion is not murder! So, now tell us. What does that exactly mean that it is.

Georgetwin
HAHAHAHA!!!

I, too, made change, for my kid's lunch money.

andrews
i am pro-life myself but for something to be labeled murder, it must be so under the criminal code or it is simply empty emotional rhetoric.

as far as stone age clerics, yes they hit us once and want to again,

but we lived for 50 years with nuclear missles aimed at every major city and never gave into the irrational fear that permeates some conservatives now.

look it is simple, they cannot destroy us.


they can hurt us but we need to send the message that if they do that we will destroy mecca and most of the mid-east.

finally, all one has to do is peruse this website on a daily basis to see the emotional level of most conservatives.


Georgetwin/YLG
Me too! My change included, not kicking the mutt when I left the house this morning and not tossing that cat in the toilet. I think I'm on the road to recovery! I like CHANGE!

Religiouslib
Actually, most of the emotional screeching comes form the left. There are a few on the right (mostly Pauliacs), but they tend to be eschewed by the mainstream on this site.

I just don't see the emotional "but we do it because it feels right" arguments on the right I see on the left.


SSGT, Georgetwin
I changed my diet from late night ice cream binging, to late night chocolate binging.

Does that count?

Antidisestablishmentarianism in 2012!!

Religiouslib
And you are creating a strawman.

When someone says "abortion is murder", what they mean is "abortion should be considered murder". To argue that it is emotional because they say it in a shorter form is silly.

YLG-Ssgt
Stop over to my blog & check out my new posting!

YLG
Hey, GF. You can combine the two with Weight Watchers Fudge Bars. I can't believe they have so few calories! My husband keep raiding my stash, though.

Lynn
Hmmmm....looks like I can DOUBLE my intake....

Sounds like a plan!!

;-)

More
Good article. The 1930s rhetoric is starting. The very 'solutions' that were tried then that led us down the road of depressions within a depression (higher taxes on the job providers, govts taking a more active role in commerce, more govt programs, demanding high wages)..all preventing real job providers from hiring people who needed jobs the most.

I feel sorry for democrats who believe govt action is necessary to recover the economy. The first rule Congress should do: 1) Do no harm.

Ah, YLG/Lynn. What's a good diet
without that once a day bar of Cadbury's Caramello milk chocolate? Now come on. We're talking yummie here. Er...good morning.

Georgetwin, YLG, SSGT,
and all the rest of you crazies, good morning.

I've changed something also. I've changed my mind about trying to speak rationally, as an adult, to the Paulettes. Can't be done.

Ah, YLG, that wonderful 28 letter word. I grew up practicing the spelling of antidisestablishmentarianism to the point where I could spell it faster than anybody in the whole wide world. Wanta hear me? Wanta hear me again?

YLG
to be honest with you, I like compost better! Its easier to pronounce. Edy's Three in One Chocolate ice cream with Nestles Chocolate syrup is the bomb!

Good morning, Motley
Glad you could join us. I think I scared Bryce away with my 11:57 post. Maybe he won't come back. Bets?

religious lib
Uhhhh- they "hit us once"? Are you serious? 9/11 was their biggest attack on US soil but not the first time they hit us. There have also been many plots foiled, many likely never detailed to the public for security reasons. I do want to ask you this- when does life begin? What is that magic spark, that defining moment, that instant flash when "life" begins? Can't pick one? I can-it is the moment of conception. An electrical event happens that prevents any further sperm from penetrating the ovum. Then the two cells combine to form a new organism with a DNA distinctly different from either parents'. The issue with marriage is a simple one, really. Marriage is defined by the union of a man and a woman. If you start changing the definition of words to fit whatever you think that they should mean, words then lose any meaning whatsoever. The issue is not rights or tax breaks-the GLBT lobby wants us to all feel compelled to believe, and profess that belief, that their way of life is normal, even to be encouraged.

YLG
If you or anyone else spells "that word" one more time, I swear I will bail out of here.

Religiouslib
One more thought.

You do need to distinguish between someone showing emotion when arguing and someone basing their argument entirely on emotion.

Many on TH may be quite enthusiastic in debating, and may show quite a bit of emotion. But as far as basing arguments entirely upon "I feel this is right". I still think the left has a near monopoly on that.

True, some on the right may base their arguments on things others consider invalid. (Such as "scripture says this is wrong"), but that does not make it an emotional argument.

I see very few on the right making the emotion based arguments I see on the left.

And your examples don't really show that sort of emotion based argument either. They are positions you don't agree with, but that does not make them emotional arguments.




Some changes I'd like to make.
Let's change the abortion laws and get rid of the "late term" horror, which makes me physically ill whenever it's brought to my attention. Let's confine abortion to cases of rape and endangerment of the mother, and only then after a second opinion.

Let's change the sentencing laws so that the molesters and killers of children meet a slow and extremely painful death.

I can think of others, but those will do for a start.


Its all their fault
Hillary, Barack, or John: its all their fault. It doesn't matter what "it" is, its all their fault.

Let me remind you: this country is where it is because of 6 years of unopposed republican rule. Republican Senate, House, Presidency, and Court. Whatever you wanted, you got.

Barack Obama says that he wants to "heal America and repair the world." Obviously, there is nothing wrong with the country or the world. The republicans have been in charge.

John Edwards is responsible for "costly "defensive medicine" to protect doctors rather than patients." Darn those dems. Forcing Doctors to do a thorough and competent job, giving the US the best health care in the world. Health care would be better under Republican control.

Chopper John, CVN65
Hey, at least I didn't pick "Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcano-
coniosis", did I?

motley Crue
That is something I never understood.

If you are pro-life, how can you exclude rape and incest?

If someone is born from rape or incest you can't murder them with impunity. So if abortion is murder, how can you justify murdering someone just because they were conceived through rape or incest?

andrews Hows this for cons emotion?
Ann Romney and Jeri Thompson are HOT! :)

Karl Marx is our friend
A man before his time. Mr Marx wrote at length about the serious inequities that occur when people are left to their own devices. How can it be fair to someone sitting at home watching tv to live on poverty wages paid by our government when others go out and earn millions. Mr. Marx has been called a racist but, he understood that one race would always seek to deprive another of equal distribution of the wealth. To all according to their need, from all according to their ability. You can't get any more noble than that. People unwilling to work still need plasma tv's in order to watch their leader's speeches about how bad they have it and how that is going to change when we elect our new communist party leader who is going to take from those evil persons who have too much and give to you who have so little.

The fact that countries that have tried Marx's system have failed is simply because of timing. For this program to work, it cannot be started when there is nothing to share. It can succeed in this country because we have so much. It is simple to take money from those who have too much and give it to the more deserving (members of the communist party). It is far more difficult to take it from those who have nothing which is the reason it failed in those other countries. The time is now. We can make it work with the right leadership and the right resources.

I miss loyal democrat.

MotleyCrue, Lynn, SSGT
My vice once a month is a Godiva raspberry-filled bar.

Otherwise, I'll eat lugnuts if they are covered in chocolate...

Religious lib
"they can hurt us but we need to send the message that if they do that we will destroy mecca and most of the mid-east."

How and by whom would this be accomplished
after you've neutered Bush for all these years?

YLG
Just what IS IN YOUR CHOCOLATE?

Motley Crue
Endangerment to the mother generally means nothing and everything. During my anesthesia rotation, many abortions were performed for "the health of the mother"; many of these young women were perfectly healthy. When I asked why it was being done for their health I was told that their "mental health" was at risk. That is what happens. What mother would not risk her life for her child, even unborn? During my ER rotation, I never heard a pregnant accident victim refer to herself. If she could utter two words it was ALWAYS "my baby". If she could speak freely she would implore us to save her baby and worry about her later. I never saw it otherwise, not even close. It was these experiences plus the way I have seen entire communities rally around a preemie clinging to life by the barest of threads that changed my mind on abortion. My point is that abortion is mostly done for convenience and there are very few that need to be done to save the life of the mother. Most moms would risk all to bring that tiny life into this world.

Chopper/Motley
good day to ya's!

Quote of the day

"Electile Dysfunction:
the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year."

Ron
More lust than emotion, but not a bad try.

First conservatives are "heartless" and "unfeeling". Now we are "emotional" and "driven by fear".

No matter what we do, we are just wrong.

Of course, I gave up on appeasing libs a long time ago. Wish our current president had learned that lesson a few years ago, but he seems set on trying to make the MSM and the libs in congress love him.

Something of a fool's errand.

Ron
More lust than emotion, but not a bad try.

First conservatives are "heartless" and "unfeeling". Now we are "emotional" and "driven by fear".

No matter what we do, we are just wrong.

Of course, I gave up on appeasing libs a long time ago. Wish our current president had learned that lesson a few years ago, but he seems set on trying to make the MSM and the libs in congress love him.

Something of a fool's errand.

Dual post
Sorry for the multiple posts. I got sent to the "cannot be found" page. When I reloaded, it posted the same data several times. Guess that was when it got duplicated.

Usually try to avoid repeating myself that much.

YLG
Stop it- that's not a real word, anyway.

SSGT
"Electile Dysfunction: What Bill Clinton gets it Shrillary ELECTS to sleep with him."

the change that is truly needed
in the final analysis it is the congress that needs changing. There are far too many entranced on capitol hill who long ago stop representing their constituents and have become operatives for various special interest groups around the country. Perhaps term limits would allow periodic changes to root out the various crooks but it is long past time when the voters take charge of elections and vote out various frauds. But as long as these entrenched politicians remain in power nothing will change to benefit america. Until we can keep politicians from continued access to the treasury and funneling funds to supporters nothing will change. Only the voters can force the changes. Congress by itself will never fix what's broken. Despite their promises to end congressional corruption it only got worse under pelosi and reid and these two need to be targeted for their total incompetance in the next election cycle.

Motley
I like this game. How about the guy driving the RV who thought he could get out of the driver's seat and make himself a cup of coffee, shocked when the thing crashed! There should be some kind of law that doesn't award bucketloads of cash to complete idiots. The fact that it even went to court boggles my mind.

CVN
Oh, but it is a real word. A lung disease, no less.

Debating Change
I don't watch the Demo debates because I could care less who they nominate; their candidate will a socialist. But do the moderators ask the Dem candidates what they mean by "change"?

When they say change, I interpret it as higher taxes, socialized health care and business practices, redistribution of wealth (even tho I don't have wealth). And, of course, when they say a new direction (change) in Iraq, they mean cut, run and surrender. No wonder they keep the definition as vague as possible.

Granted, the Repub candidates also speak of "change", but not the change the socialists are talking of.

Change
Well, first off it seems that Obama has earned a
reputation for working on both sides of the aisle
from his days in IL and currently in the US Senate.
(Not sure how much emphasis we should put on this
because GB II had a similar reputation when he was
governor of TX). If he continued this as Pres.
he would be a uniter and not a divider.

Second, he would have a foreign policy more in the
style of GB I which would heal some wounds that
GB II has opened with foreign countries.

So, it is maybe more an issue of style over
substance but don't doubt that style is
important. So what gets done might not change
but how it gets done would and that as anyone
knows makes a difference.


Georgetwin
If you must know, my secret ingredient is cardamon. Really. I'm not joking.

Try melting some milk choc chips with a little butter, and add cardamon. FABULOUS!!

YLG
Lugnuts? Ouch!

Grief as a response to the Economy
Demagoguery is the villain - and today the door is open - Our country is in a state of grief as people watch their life savings slip away with a failing economy. The demagogues will see this opportunity and take advantage of it.
Ohg
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/01/22/grief-an-emotional-re sponse-to-the-economy/

Lynn
Nope, CVN65 is correct: this word was made up, and is considered one of the greatest hoaxes in medicine.

CVN65, SSGT: FINE!! "Compost"it is!!

Fits better, anyway....

Change
Well, first off it seems that Obama has earned a
reputation for working on both sides of the aisle
from his days in IL and currently in the US Senate.
(Not sure how much emphasis we should put on this
because GB II had a similar reputation when he was
governor of TX). If he continued this as Pres.
he would be a uniter and not a divider.

Second, he would have a foreign policy more in the
style of GB I which would heal some wounds that
GB II has opened with foreign countries.

So, it is maybe more an issue of style over
substance but don't doubt that style is
important. So what gets done might not change
but how it gets done would and that as anyone
knows makes a difference.


YLG/Georgetwin
"Otherwise, I'll eat lugnuts if they are covered in chocolate..."

Now thats funny!
Did I fail to mention that every once in a while I will throw in some archway Double Fudge Cre'me cookies in the mix. I'm glad that I am slender.

Lynn
I was just diagnosed with renal supercalifragalisticexpialadocious! Do you know a good kidney specialist? ;)

YLG
Great minds, etc. I put cardamom in my chocolate chip cookied. Yum.

Lynn/YLG/Andrews
Correcting bryce3's lack of knowledge may work, but I don't hold out much hope. Like a bad penny, he'll just return basing his remarks on some other false premise. Too bad really, because he seemed fairly mild considering the virulence of some on the left.

BTW. Give Anne your email to send to me. I already have Anne's and YLG's in my little black book.

YLG. Lady Godiva raspberry is a mere snack. Ha! I eat them by the handful.

Andrews. I despise abortion in all its forms. However, to be practical, there will always be those who claim one reason or another in its favor. Those are the only two I can understand as exceptions.

Sorry for the delay in replying. I was relegated to "cannot find the page you requested" for quite a while.

Lynn
Regarding the SUV driver, he could have been up for the Darwin Awards. Too bad...

The chocolate covering the lugnuts would have to have cardamon in it. Otherwise, I wouldn't touch it!