Townhall.com, Where Your Opinion Counts
Talk Radio:   Bill Bennett   Mike Gallagher   Dennis Prager   Michael Medved   Hugh Hewitt   
BREAKING NEWS  LeftArrow - Townhall.com : Conservative, Political, Republican   RightArrow - Townhall.com : Conservative, Political, Republican  
Columns, funnies & more in your inbox!
  • Check the boxes and send us your email address to receveive your free newsletter
  • Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
  • Townhall.com’s weekly inside scoop on what’s happening behind the scenes in the world of politics. When news breaks, we report.
  • Signup to receive the latest daily Townhall cartoons
Tuesday, November 20, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Income Confusion: Part II
by Thomas Sowell
Vote on It:
Average Vote:
[+] Text [-]
 
Poll
Do you feel the leaked information from a global warming alarmist organization is meaningful?



When most of us look at income statistics, we are not just being numbers junkies. We want to find out something about actual flesh-and-blood human beings -- specifically what their standard of living is like.

But you cannot always just take statistics at face value -- or, worse yet, with the spin that politicians and the media put on them.

Income, for example, is not the same as earnings, and neither is the same as the economic resources on which people's standard of living is based.

Since most of us get our income by earning it, it might seem that any difference between income and earnings would just be some technicality that only economists or accountants would bother with.

In reality, the difference can be huge, depending on the income bracket and the age of the individual.

Most of the income received by people 65 years old and up is not counted statistically as earnings. Only 24 percent of their incomes are earnings. Most of their incomes are from pensions or other sources known as "unearned income," such as returns on investments.

It should hardly be surprising that people who have been around a long time would have accumulated more money in the bank and maybe have a little nest egg in a mutual fund, each of which provides a stream of income during their retirement years, even if that income does not get counted as earnings.

Despite a drumbeat of political rhetoric depicting the elderly as being in dire economic conditions, the actual incomes of the elderly are more than four times what their earnings statistics might suggest -- or what politicians can claim, citing those statistics.

When it comes to wealth, the average net worth of people 65 years old and up is several times that of people under the age of 45. The highest average net worth in any age bracket belongs to households headed by people aged 70 to 74.

Although income is often confused with wealth, as when people currently in high income brackets are referred to as "rich," the elderly average lower income than middle-aged people, but more wealth.

Since 80 percent of the people who are 65 and up are either homeowners or home buyers, their housing costs tend to be lower. Among those 80 percent, their median monthly housing costs in 2001 averaged just $339 a month.

That includes property taxes, utilities, maintenance costs, condominium and association costs for people with such living arrangements, and mortgage payments for those who do not own their homes outright.

There are of course some elderly people who are poor, just as there are some poor people in every age bracket. But statistics cited by politicians, journalists and others who inflate the number of the poor need both scrutiny and skepticism.

The elderly are not the only people whose standard of living is grossly understated by those who cite statistics on earnings or income.

Those statistics do not include income received by low-income people as transfer payments from the government, such as welfare checks, much less various in-kind transfers, such as subsidized housing and subsidized medical care.

As of 2001, about 78 percent of the economic resources used by people in the bottom 20 percent of income recipients were in the form of either cash transfers or in-kind transfers.

To judge the standard of living of low-income people by income statistics is to leave out more than three-quarters of the economic resources used by them.

It is understandable that those who have either a political or an ideological vested interest in exaggerating the numbers of "the poor" would use statistics that greatly understate the standard of living of low-income people, as well as that of the elderly.

But that is all the more reason for the rest of us to be aware of what statistics do and do not mean -- and beware of those who want us to believe the worst, whether for their own political advantage or because that fits their ideological vision.

Share:
Vote on It:
Average Vote:
 
About The Author
Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of The Housing Boom and Bust.
 
TOWNHALL DAILY: Sign up today and receive Thomas Sowell and Townhall.com's daily lineup delivered each morning to your inbox.
 
©Creators Syndicate
Dr. Sowell
Please accept my continuing thanks for your educational and pertinent information.

So, are you saying most of those
elderly who just received that lucrative entitlement of prescription meds DOESN'T REALLY NEED IT?

Thanks
It is amazing how clearly you explain economic issues and facts to us "economic flatlanders." And not an ounce of politics. Yet, if all folks would read your writings, everyone would be politically conservative.

Jobs next
Could you please do a column next, sir, in which you explain for the Proletariat that *service sector jobs* are not burger flipping and hotel housekeeping or janitorial work? As our economy moves from manufacturing to service industry work (that is, work that we do with our brains and not our brawn), the people whose vested interest is in the old time union employees who work with their muscles insist loudly howling that the country is being destroyed as more people leave that sector and enter the service sector.

IT is a service sector job, and of course those musclebound jocks who used to beat up the *Nerds* who do that work still think of IT guys as geeks, weirdos, eggheads and failures although they depend for a large part of their lives on the work of these guys. And as the intellectual work is frequently done very well by women, these same Jocks cry that the country is being FEMINIZED because, of course, anything Girls can do is not really WORK ...

Could you please explain the Service Sector in words of one syllable so the Jocks can understand of what it really consists -- and why the GDP continues to go up as the muscle work diminishes?

Lying with statistics
I only wish that "How to Lie With Statistics" were required reading in every school.

Good one
There is an old adage out there that says "Figures won't lie but liars will figure”. This is why I never believe ANY numbers promulgated by any group, including out own government. They all have an axe to grind and will shade their numbers to fit. Other infamous "numbers".

1. 500,000 kidnapped children - LOL, long ago when this number was being bandied about one of my old bosses mentioned it at lunch. I asked him how many people did he know personally that had been killed in Vietnam. He said a couple, which probably about average. I then asked him how many "kidnapped" children did he know personally. He knew none. This is a good way to flesh out misleading statistics. The numbers were about the same but using this thumb rule it showed that something wasn't right.

2. 50% of all auto accidents are alcohol related. LOL, this is one that MADD promulgates widely. Did you know that if you have one drink and are catching a cab home and it is rear-ended at a stop sign by an 80 year old man with senile dementia that that accident will be classified as "alcohol related"?

3. Our own government says 45 million are without health insurance. LOL, that number included 14 million illegal aliens, about 75% of which are Mexicans. That makes the number false because Mexico has socialized health care. They have medical insurance, they just have to go home to use it.

There are many more examples that I will not repeat. This just shows that any time you see some number posted first look at who is quoting the number then figure out how they arrived at the number. If they will not provide a source the automatically do not truest it. If it has a source, then check it.

More Americans can’t afford food

“The economy is going great. Free trade and unlimited immigration are good for America.” Keep repeating that as you ride the bus to the food bank.

Associated Press: Operators of free food banks say they are seeing more working people needing assistance. The increased demand is outstripping supplies and forcing many pantries and food banks to cut portions.

Demand is being driven up by rising costs of food, housing, utilities, health care and gasoline, while food manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers are finding they have less surplus food to donate and government help has decreased…”I’ve been doing this for 20 years, and I can’t believe how much worse it gets month after month,” she said.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/americans-hungry-f or-higher-wages


just no thought
As much as I hate feeding the trolls (especially before heading to work, meaning that I can't reply in case it's not a troll but someone looking for a discussion), the 6:27 posting is hilarious. Talk about reaching to find something bad to talk about!

Do try to stay on topic, which is the difference between income and wealth. Although the name isn't mentioned, Warren Buffet was the perfect example of this (high wealth, low taxable income) when he said he didn't think he was paying enough because his secretary paid more income tax than him. Should YOU pay for Warren's drugs because he earns so little (forgetting what he already owns, looking only at what he earns)?

konop = nonsense
shut up already

Dr. Sowell
I am collecting a library of your books and will have my kids use them as supplemental text books in high school. Thank you for your wisdom - nobody explains things more clearly!

vic
To expand on your point #3 -

Included in the bogus "45,000,000 without health insurance" figure are people who have been without health insurance for only part of the year, due to circumstances such as changing jobs. Also, a significant portion of the 45,000,000 are without health insurance BY CHOICE, such as young people just entering the workforce.

"Universal" health insurance is the next scam foisted by politicians on uneducated and greedy voters, soon to rival history's largest ever Ponzi scheme, Social Security.

AudiR10-Jobs
Where to begin ? Your characterizing of Manufacturing Jobs as being mindless is so shallow, I doubt I have words simple enough to explain your error.

Manufacturing involves planning and execution. The cost to make a bad "widget" (which is unsaleable) is exactly the same as that to make a good one. The economics of the process are paramount. Making a bad item needs to be a rare event. That requires intellectual effort on the part of every person involved in the manufacturing process.

You are grossly uninformed on this subject.


buzzkat
Granted

statistics
I believe it was Mark Twain that said there were three kinds of lies: "lies, damned lies, and statistics". Thank you Dr. Sowell.

VIC - 7:02 am - Socialized Medicine

Mexico does not have socialized medicine, not in the way you would imagine at least.

What they do have are three(3) basic programs that cover a large segment of the population.

1. IMSS, which is a social security/medical for employees whose bosses have enrolled them and make the payments monthly.

2. ISSSTE, which is for all government employees, whether federal, state or local.

3. Seguro Popular, which is a new program to try and cover the 50% that have been uninsured. It permits the individual, for a small monthly fee, to register and have basic coverages.

4. Of course the military has it's own program which covers a miniscule portion of the population.

So, about 65% of Mexicans are insured in some fashion by the government. Less than 5% have private medical insurance.

Socialized medicine, not really, and most poor are not covered by any of the above. How many poor are there by Mexican standards, lower than our standards by far, about 50% and 22% are extremely poor, less than $2.00 dollars per day possibly supplemented by planting small patches of corn or beans.

None of the above is an argument for their being in our country without permission; it is instead a correction of your blanket statement that Mexicans have socialized medicine.


Dr. Sowell, another great one!
Please write an article on the fallacy of John Maynard Keynes economic theories vs the theories of Adam Smith. I believe from your writings that you are in agreement with Adam Smith much more than Keynes. I just got your book "Applied Economics" and am debating some Keynesian followers on another web site and would appreciate more ammunition. Your writing is clear and consise and reminds me of Isaac Asimov as to his ability to explain science clearly as well.

Is it just me?
But where the heck is "Income Confusion part I?"

onceamarine
I was only repeating stuff like the below site which compare their system to Canada's. Perhaps it is not really socialized Medicine, but Canada's system is one we call socialized.

http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/dthealth.html

workin4wages
I wondered also:

http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell112007.php3

Vic wrote:

"any time you see some number posted first look at who is quoting the number then figure out how they arrived at the number. If they will not provide a source the automatically do not truest it. If it has a source, then check it."

ALWAYS check. I can't tell you the number of times I've checked stats bandied about here and found them to be completely inaccurate.

That said, do not be so quick to discount statistics based on the source. You might just find that the person with whom you generally disagree ideologically has a good point.

.

Konop
Your statistics do not reconcile with the obesity epidemic liberals claim plagues the poor the most.

Perhaps these food banks are being scammed by people who are choosing to eat more food that is nutritionally necessary or to simply take advantage of the food bank to preserve cash for other expenses. Most of the students I have taught who are on Federal free/reduced lunch programs have multiple console systems in their homes, iPods, and televisions that would put mine to shame......

Truth in Reporting

"Associated Press: Operators of free food banks say they are seeing more working people needing assistance. The increased demand is outstripping supplies and forcing many pantries and food banks to cut portions. "

The truth is more like this: "Operators of free food banks say they are seeing more working people WHO HAVE DISCOVERED THIS SOURCE OF FREE FOOD AND ARE TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF IT." When I did charity work in Atlanta it was well known that a lot of people who showed up for free meals were not in fact poor or homeless; they were opportunists.

P.S. to Scattershot: so if I am misinformed about "Service Sector Jobs" being work that we do with our brains and not burger flipping and hotel chambermaid work as the unions claim, which is what I said and NOT, you will notice, the straw man statement you attributed to me that muscle work is not work, by the way (read it again and see), please inform me.

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics
You have to love Mark Twains insights don't you?

One of the lies these statistics tell is using income to define wealth. Wealth is defined by assets. Where you see these lies most frequently is in poverty statistics.

Poverty for political purposes is defined by income. Yet based on numbers from the Government (admitably government statistics are questionable), a large majority of people under the poverty level own their home, and oun a car. Somewhere over 50% own 2 cars. The average person living in poverty in the US is more like to have air conditioning, a dishwasher,a color TV, and eat read meat once a week then average Western European.

How many American do you know with big incomes and leased cars, and no savings? Consuming a big income is certainly possible in our culture.

Inflation is another statistical lie
The inflation rate is another lie. An individuals inflation rate is dependant on where they spend the most money. I for example have 3 kids in college. That is where the bulk of my income goes, so my inlation rate is well over 7%. The same would be true for someone spending most of their money on healthcare. I know I don't spend based on a weighted basket of comodities.

Vic, I know you were repeating.....

....my post was not so much for you as to simply explain a reality to anyone interested.

Mexico doesn't have the money to simply socialize medicine. Do we.??. Yes, but their are too many needs to attend to them all.

Mexico needs good government which it didn't have for many decades, it is better now, but old habits are hard to break. Look at our dumbnuts congress.

Mexico needs every possible betterment you can imagine and have wasted all these precious decades playing fiddle dee dee sticks. Now we are starting down that same ridiculous road. Spending money on things it shouldn't be spent on and allowing our congress people to be bought out by the highest bidder.

They need new roads; we need to repair our infrastructure. What's the difference. None.


The flip side
... of consuming a big income is getting along on a small one.

Sowell's point is well made. I recall two years ago hearing a popular news item about how more people had fallen below the poverty level than before. This item was spun as evidence that Bush lied, people died, etc.

Yet I knew five people who had, because of life transitions (some voluntary, one not), "lost" substantial income over the period in question -- and in no case did this mean we were out on the street starving, and in need of political advocacy.

My mother retired from teaching, and Dad died, and her income was cut quite dramatically. But she owns the home and a late-model car outright, and has an invested trust to draw from.

My cousin was divorced by her husband, and has to support herself and her two young boys on her teacher's salary. But with the divorce settlement she was able to buy a home -- small but adequate, and an investment rather than a mere monthly expense. Her 12-year-old car keeps running, and although she works additional jobs, they are in the field that gives her joy: music.

My sister and brother-in-law gave up their regular-paying American jobs to go to rural India and live on a pittance as teachers in a Christian school.

And I retired from the Navy, and now work from home and get by as a homeowner, in southern California, on a retirement check. Doesn't qualify as the poverty level, but it does mean, with a California-size mortgage payment, that I can't afford a/c in the summer, thoughtless use of water or gas, a new TV, or even grocery shopping where it's quiet and convenient, instead of at WalMart. It's worth it to have this time and opportunity to build a new and different way of living. But my income went way, way down.

There's an anecdote, a personal situation, for every income out there. "Income" isn't a one-size-fits-all measurement. It's good to have Sowell remind us of that.

So true, so true!
Just a few months ago someone trying to convince me that wolves were great for our ranching state posted an article claiming that over 39,000 folks in the state of Wyoming work in the tourist industry. I wrote to teh organization posting that and remeinded that 39,000 people is almost 10% of the total population of the state of Wyoming. The number dropped to 29,000, and then included every employee in every service station, restaurant, motel, and undetermined other businesses in the state. The hours were not counted.
Another stat person claimed that wolves brought 45 million in income to the state of Montana per year despite the fact that only two communities are actually close enough to the Lamar in Yellowstone to be relatively likely to see wolves. Neither of those towns has added motels or restaurants. Both are a long way from anywhere else.

income != wealth
it is a common misconception that is spread throughout the media.

income DOES NOT equal wealth.

if Bill Gates did not receive another penny for the rest of his life, an income of 0, would you regard him as poor?

he has billions of dollars at his disposal!

you want to soak the rich, then do so. any moneis greater than ,say 10 million dollars, is taxed annually at a 75% tax rate.

let's see if that gets through congress!

dyerje

Great post. A very honest approach to an age old problem as well as an old age problem..

By the way, there are a number of `places where you can stretch your dollars if you wish. I am part of a growing number of Americans who live overseas, some because they have plenty of money, but most because they have limited income.

According to ImmigrationUSA, believe that's the name, I'm a member, 200,00 citizens leave the country permanently every year. Permanently doesn't mean never returning; just not living back home with the costs involved.

Why would someone do that.

Your standard of living is automatically raised considerably.

Cheers and keep up the good writing.


Whjat if the Liberals Read Sowell?
Now I am really scared! If Hillary and the other liberal elites read Sowell and realize the meaning of wealth, can taxation of our personal Net Worth be far behind. Can't you just see a yearly Personal Net Worth Tax (just like state personal property taxes; tax on your 401(k), your mutual funds and stock holdings, real estate equity, savings accounts, annuities and future pension income flows. Just think what they could bring in with a "small" 5% yearly tax on all of us. This would certainly generate significant revenue from the growing baby boomer retirees. This type of income redistribution scheme is just the ticket for a committed socialist like Hillary. Short of everybody simply sending her their entire paycheck and allowing her to distribute the proceeds as she sees fit (as the smartest woman in the world), with even a little returned to you, a Net Worth Tax is a great idea. Don't laugh, it can happen!

Whjat if the Liberals Read Sowell?
Why do you think liberals reading Sowell would make any difference? Hell, liberals live in San Francisco and still think handouts are a great idea.

onceamarine
Thanks, shipmate, and back at you. I deduce you live in Mexico. Baja? The expats I know generally choose it, or less frequently, Yucatan.

I don't plan on trying to live solely on the Navy retirement check forever -- working instead on a home business, and doing research for a book.

But looking down the road to when Social Security goes belly up, it has occurred to me that people who've provided for their own retirement had better move their assets, and their butts, out of the country at some point.

SS will go bankrupt when I'm a spring chicken of 82. The retirement investments of the provident will be the obvious treasury to raid on behalf of others. So it's not like I'm not thinking about that retiring overseas thing.

Two points.
1. I am a senior,and I pay for my drugs.2. There is no such a thing as free food banks,somebody had to pay for it.One other note.I am amazed that in the 1990'sthere were no poor people,but now there are 35 million of them.Amazing just effing amazing.

union dude

Do you suppose those who count noses are including illegals.??. That accounts for most of the 35 million.

Good for you and for doing your own. So do I. The only thing the government has ever done for me was a paltry salary when I did my enlistment, and now the S.S. that I definitely earned at the highest rate of deductions they had a few years back.



dyerje

Nope, but good guessing. Actually the largest American expat community in the world is outside Guadalajara in the state of Jalisco, Lake Chapala usually, and these are not long hairs nor poor people. I don't share that local for myself. I actually prefer to be much further south, and Baja is to close to California.

Since I know all of Latin America since many decades ago, I can take my pick. Reading, writing and speaking extremely fluent Spanish doesn't make it any harder.

Good luck to you. Sounds like you have a good game plan. Stay flexible.


AudiR10 except
Many of those service jobs are going off shore for cheaper labor. Many lower to middle income jobs in manufacturing are long gone. What is the long term effect on balance of trade especially with China? I also would like to see Dr Sowell address these factors. Oh and I hope I am wrong.

old progrmr you scared me
Dont be giving the extortionists any more idea's. On second thought I am sure they already have thought about it.

Many of you are meanies.

You cheer when you get a lower interest rate on your loans, but never care that you have lowered my income.

I don’t pay interest, I collect interest.

Rich L
"I just got your book "Applied Economics" and am debating some Keynesian followers on another web site and would appreciate more ammunition."


Check out Fletch's blog for some terrific writing on economics. Fletch has been one of the premier posters here, but unfortunately has been laid up for a while.


http://fletchforfreedom.townhall.com/

dyerje

Nope, but good guessing. Actually the largest American expat community in the world is outside Guadalajara in the state of Jalisco, Lake Chapala usually, and these are not long hairs nor poor people. I don't share that local for myself. I actually prefer to be much further south, and Baja is to close to California.

Since I know all of Latin America since many decades ago, I can take my pick. Reading, writing and speaking extremely fluent Spanish doesn't make it any harder.

Good luck to you. Sounds like you have a good game plan. Stay flexible.


buzzkat, thanks!
I'll bookmark it for later perusing.

To all good intelligent posters here. Ignore Phylo, Lilly, MLD, Taft etal. But do read Loyal Democrat, he has them pegged but good!

think Google is screwing around.....
Where did that last post come from. I did it at 2:17 pm and it shows up again at 5:18 pm.

Great gad flies. Holy smokes.

Tonto in heap big trouble. But Lone Ranger save his butt. Hi yo Silver, Away............

And the hoofs of the mighty horse of steel go thundering across the plain.

Green Hornet, did you have something to do with this.??. No, but it sure wasn't Straight Arrow.

Well. it must have been Hop-a-Long Cassidy. There that's it. It WAS Hoppy, I think, I guess.

Who knows what evils lurk in the heart of a Computer, a Google PC.


onceamarine old joke
Just for fun here's an oldie! Tonto and the lone ranger are surrounded by a vicious tribe of indians. Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says well we've been through a lot together old buddy. Looks like we've had it this time. Tonto looks at the Lone Ranger and says What do you mean we paleface! Yeah its corny :-)

Oh, well. we gotta get......

.......Thomas Sowell's number up.

Everyone has spent their day eating Apple Pie until they're all sick of it.

Although I understand that Thomas is one of those rare birds who prefers quality over quantity, and substance over folderol.

Who cares, TH just adds up the total hits and spreads it out in monthly averages.

Yea, but Thomas cares. That man is a man's man, and he cares plenty. Well, what if we promise to do better next time. Would that count with Thomas.??.

Promises, promises.


Thanks Hagar

I was getting tired of playing Roberto, I mean Roberta, I mean, what the heck do I mean. Guess I shouldn't take naps.

Yea, corny, like the kind people used to tell.

statistics
87.23% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Who's poor?
Excellent point on government statistics on income of the poor, Dr. Sowell. I read (Possibly in one of your columns!) that in-depth studies of the economics of the poor find that they consistently spend much more than their incomes. That seems impossible, unless one recognizes your point that the incomes of the poor are understated.

A long time ago...
I concluded that the best tax would be a tax on net worth, but then how would the government go about fixing what assets would be included and proving one's net worth from year to year?

Taxes on Net Worth... P1
...would be a disaster because anyone with any net worth and any sense would leave the country as quickly as they could. I know I would.

Besides, the capital gains tax IS a tax on net worth. The dims are already talking about increasing the tax rate dramatically on that, which will cut the amount of revenue gained from it just as dramatically.

I like the idea of one of the earlier posters that we insist that everyone who wants to vote or run for public office prove they understand the principles of economics. Making them read one or more of Dr. Sowell's books on economics would be a good start.

Of course, you'd also have to screen candidates and voters for their degree of non-normie-ism (see http://www.non-normie.com) and forbid anyone with a score higher than 30% from voting or running for office, or being hired for any job without proof of ongoing attendance at either an AA group or an Al-Anon or Ala-Teen group. Maybe then we could stem the rising tide of destruction wrought by folks who never learned how to process grief and got stuck on anger (and therefore on stupid).


Taxes on Net Worth P2
As for AudiR10's comments about the service sector, I'm with her on that, because that's what I do for a living. I provide phone tech support for cable internet and digital phone. If you think that doesn't take brains and a lot of soft skills to defuse the often very upset or angry Angelinos we serve, think again.

That's not to disparage the manufacturing sector, though. The problem with manufacturing anything in this country really is the horrendous maze of regulations, to say nothing of the minimum-wage laws and the union bosses who are clueless when it comes to economics.

Which brings us back to the point of the article and this thread--that we need to make economics a required subject from kindergarten on up.

While we're at it, we should also find a way to help kids learn how to process grief properly and not get stuck on anger, no matter how disfunctional their families are.

Oh well, I can always dream on...
Sign Up to Post Your CommentsSign Up to Post Your Comments
If you are already registered, click here to login. Otherwise, please take a few seconds to register with Townhall.com. Once you sign up, you’ll be able to post your comments immediately, use the action center, get podcasts, and more!
Note: Fields marked with a red asterisk (*) are required.
Salutation:
First Name:
*
Last Name:
*
Email:
*
Nickname:
*
Note: Nick name will be shown when you post comments.
Address 1:
*
Address 2:
City:
*
State:
*
Zip:
*
Phone:
      
Your daily must-read of conservative columns, cartoons and news. Coulter, Sowell, Krauthammer and more.
(Bi-Weekly) We highlight the best opportunities from our partners for surveys, action items and more.