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Tuesday, September 25, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Law Versus Mob Rule
by Thomas Sowell
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It is painful -- and dangerous -- how little we learn from history, even when it is recent history.

Just a year ago, "rape" charges spread lynch-mob hysteria on the campus of Duke University and in much of the liberal media, while professional race hustlers descended on the town of Durham, North Carolina, and mindless tribalism was stirred up by extremists in the local black community.

This year, we have all learned what a total fraud that case was, from beginning to end. Yet now we see a similar outburst of mindless tribalism and another attempt at mob rule, promoted by such veterans of last year's hysteria as Jesse Jackson.

This time the scene is in Jena, Louisiana. The issue is the prosecution of a black high school student accused of stomping on an unconscious white student -- and the lack of criminal prosecution of white students who hung a noose on a tree, who were disciplined by the school.

Liberals' skills at moral equivalence have been so finely honed during the long years of the Cold War that they have turned this into a case of "unequal treatment," based on race -- as if putting a noose on a tree is equivalent to stomping somebody who is unconscious.

The black student was found guilty but the verdict was overturned on appeal -- not on grounds that he was not guilty, but on grounds that the appellate court did not think he should have been tried as an adult.

The usual legal procedure would be to try the student again, but this time not as an adult. However, the usual legal procedures are not good enough for those who have once again seized the opportunity to hype race -- and to hell with questions of guilt or innocence or legal procedures.

The immediate demand of the mobs that have been mobilized around the country to descend on the small town of Jena is that the young man found guilty of a serious crime of violence should be free on bail pending a second trial.

The legal question is whether letting someone accused of such a crime go free on bail is likely to mean that he will not be around long enough for a second trial. But no one is seriously debating that.

Racial hype has replaced all rational discussion. Moreover, the Jena episode has shown that two can play the racial hype game. Neo-Nazis have published the names and home addresses of all the young blacks involved in the school incident.

The slogan "No justice, no peace" has been used to justify settling legal issues in the streets, instead of in courts of law.

Neo-Nazis have now helped demonstrate what a dangerous slogan that is, since different people have opposite ideas of what "justice" is in a given situation.

Long after the imported demonstrators have left, and the national media have lost interest, the families of the black youngsters involved in the school altercation will have to live with the knowledge that their privacy and security have both been lost in a racially polarized community, with vengeful elements.

The last thing the South needs is a return to lynch-mob justice, whatever the color of whoever is promoting it.

Back in the 1950s, when the federal courts began striking down the Jim Crow laws in the South, one of the rising demands across the country was that the discriminators and segregationists obey "the law of the land."

But, somewhere along the way, the idea also arose and spread that not everybody was supposed to obey "the law of the land."

Violations of law by people with approved victim status like minorities, or self-righteous crusaders like environmentalists, were to be met with minimal resistance -- if any resistance at all -- and any punishment of them beyond a wrist-slap was "over-reacting."

College campuses became bastions of the new and sanctified mob rule, provided that the mobs are from the list of groups approved as politically correct. Otherwise, even an injudicious remark could bring swift and certain punishment under "speech codes."

The politics of condoned law-breaking is part of the moral dry rot of our times. So is settling issues in the streets on the basis of race, instead of in courts on the basis of law.

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Si se puede (yes we can)
Illegal aliens (I can still use the correct term without imprisonment, right?) chant the phrase, Si se puede (Yes We Can) at their rallies.

Yes we can:
Ignore your laws.
Enter your country any time we feel like it.
Collect benefits to which we are not entitled.
Tell you what your immigration policies should be.
File thousands of lawsuits to prevent you from enforcing your laws.
Vote in your elections fradulently.
Take your country.

First the article: I just pray
the people of Jena (all of them) can get thru this ordeal and hold themselves to the truth (whatever that turns out to be.) Good Luck, Jena

Second: VP you are absolutely right. And the longer we delay sending them back, the worse it will be for everyone.

As someone says almost once a day on these boards

WHERE IS THE PAID FOR FENCE???!!!

Another oxymoron: Homeland Security!

Sowell is crazy...
Racism is as rampant now as it was in the days of the slave holding south. There have been no improvements whatsoever, and fortunately we have men like Jackson who are willing to come forward and remind blacks how much they are hated because of their race. Blacks ned to be reminded that their every failure in life is solely due to their skin color, and things such as personal choices and character have no impact on what happens to us as individuals.

It is heart rendering to view the MySpace photo images of the accused as they roll in stacks of $100 bills, shoving handfuls in their mouths, trying in some way to overcome the pain of the offense they endured. It is of little solace to know that the assailants have to now seek consolation in the meager $400,000 in cash that has been forwarded to them by sympathetic Americans. The boy they beat up should be compelled to donate his college fund to his assailants as a way of making amends for his transgression against them - being white.

Hopefully white America will soon realize that it is wrong to punish blacks for any crime they commit. After all, all blacks have endured slavery, and all whites have owned slaves.

Leftists are insane
This country is under threat like never before (see the quotes below) and Leftists are totally oblivious about it. They are so busy with their selfish politics and damaging all defense of our nation and culture.


http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/iran.html


THREATS OF IRAN:

Commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, said on state television. “God willing, the 21st century will see the defeat of the U.S. and the Zionists, and the victory of freedom-seeking nations of the world. The final goal of the [1979] revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdi”.

The [Iranians] President’s chief strategist, Hassan Abbassi, has come up with a war plan based on the premise that “Britain is the mother of all evils” – the evils being America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the Gulf states and even Canada, all of whom are the malign progeny of the British Empire. “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization,” says Mr Abbassi. “There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them… Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover.”

The IRGC chief warned that Iran was seeing through “critical days” and “fate-determining years”. He described the purpose of Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution as the “Salvation of Muslims” from the hands of the “oppressive U.S. and Israel”.

I did not grow up in the South
so it is a little hard for me to relate to the rage I see in Southern Blacks over a bunch of kids fooling around with hangman's knots.

I relate nooses to things that fascinate boys, like skulls, flames, and spaceships.

So, though my first impulse is to say; "why don't you guys just get over it?!"

Then, my second impulse is to be understanding of their upset over the history of slavery followed by Jim Crow.

But I can't help but thinking: "What if a black kid grew up having never heard of slavery and Jim Crow? Would he then have nothing to resent?"

It seems to me that the black kids that grew up around white kids, fit into society and succeed in life. These are the black people I know, the ones who talk and dress like everyone else and don't act like they hate me.

but the black kids who are "stuck" in the ghetto, and keep listening to the same old hate-filled rhetoric about how "whitey" is out to get them. These are the black people who are still marching for equality.

But I can't help but think: "Equality is there for you... right there within your grasp, and all you have to do is take it and it is yours."

The first casulaty pt 1
Dr. Sowell I gave you the coveted 5 star vote on this one.

It takes a really brave man who is in the public eye to come out with a column that doesn’t jump on the bandwagon for support of the "Jenna 6" who have been singled out as "heroes defending against the evil South".

pt 2
In a previous comment on this subject I said that the first casualty in any event of this nature is the truth. There has been so much hyperbole and printing of outright lies on this subject it is pitiful. As more and more comes out on this story we learn a few things that are hard truths. So what do know as absolute truth now?

1. The nooses appeared in the tree on September 1st.
2. The lunchroom brawl occurred on Dec 4, 2006, a full 3 months after the "tree incident". Formal investigation determined that the two events were not connected at all.
3. The defendant who has been portrayed by the media and the Jessies as a sports hero and an innocent victim of racial animus has a rap sheet full of previous violent attacks. This will have been his 5th conviction. (Note that the appeals court has NOT ruled on his innocence, only that he could not be charged as an adult for the charges he was convicted of.)

pt 3
There are a few other things that thinking people should consider.

This things supposedly started with a black kid asking if he could sit under the "white tree". This implies that there was some kind of sanctioned discrimination and that the school response was a wink and a nod.

What I have seen in modern times is that the races will invariably separate and "hang out" with people of like race, no matter what the outside stimulus is. That is given a group of black people and a group of white people, if you place them all in a community area they will congregate among their own race and within those congregations, they will also subdivide into like socioeconomic status groups. This is human nature.

pt 4

The next thing to think about is the "nooses" and the so-called lack of punishment for them. First, when the a noose become an object of racial animas? The race baiters scream that it is a symbol of lynching. I have heard a lot of things lately but that is a new one for the race baiters. I though that the current "hateful object" dejure was the Confederate Battle flag. Indeed, my State is still under an ongoing boycott from the NAACP because that flag is still flown on statehouse grounds. If a noose is a symbol of lynching, then certainly a tree is also a symbol of lynching and it will become a hate crime to plant a tree. Sorry AGW people, but you are all guilty of hate crimes. I guess Placerville, CA (Hangtown) will have to get rid of the hanging dummy on mainstreet or be forever known as racial bigots.

And finally the last thing to think about is this. Is there possibly another reason why these people were charged with 2nd degree attempted murder besides racial animas? If Louisiana is like most States if a minor is charged with any crime short of murder they will get off lightly and their record will be expunged when they reach 21. Could it be that prosecutors overreached in an effort to get a meaningful sentence for a repeat offender?

If these hooligans had been in South Carolina they would have been charged with 2nd degree lynching and tried as adults for that. They could have been sentenced to faily long sentences.

Mountain Rose...
...They equate equality with equality of outcome,not equality of opportunity.The leftists seized on the civil rights movement many years ago and made it thiers.That's when they lost me as a supporter.

Justice
Thank you Dr. Sowell. Your logic and sense of justice are inspiring.

In the events that you reference and in the hostile comments posted there is displayed a typical liberal tool of shifting responsibility. They attempt to make goups that they dislike responsible for the actions of others; while groups of which they approve are absolved of any responsibility for the consequences of their own action.

Accountability and then justice!!!

Forgive Warren Small
He believes what he says.

Pray for him.

'Approved' victims Acts
It is difficult to determine how many times our politicians have stepped up to the plate (trough?) to add 'protected' status to various groups with total disregard to the fact that all laws are SUPPOSED to provide EQUAL protection to ALL citizens.

Some have even allowed or condoned the protection of illegal aliens at the expense of their CONSTITUTIONAL duty, both expressed and implied, to protect the citizens from invaders. The Bush Administration has redefined 'invasion' and 'invaders' to EXCLUDE illegal border-crossers, although a trespassing citizen can still face citizen's arrest, prosecution and in some instances, bodily harm if 'Castle Law' (the presumption that a trespasser INTENDS to do bodily harm) has been enacted.

'Lynch mobs' are NOT spontaneous uprisings but are carefully orchestrated (incited) by a handful of opportunists who use the Bill of Rights provision of 'freedom of speech' to do the inciting. Often, such people import their own people to give the impression of a 'local' uprising.

Far too often politicians, Judges, Justices and private citizens – ignore the intent of the Constitution – to protect the law-abiding citizens of the United States, not only from invaders but government and ANYONE who would abuse or misconstrue the powers permitted under the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Of course, when this Nation was founded, duels were legal and lawyers and politicians were few.

Thomas
You never suprise me. At least you are consistent with your insane opinions.

Coultergeist, try Janet Reno
She was raiding and killing innocent Americans when the, admittedly incompetent, Gonzales was still in Texas. Nice try to spin though!

Dr. Sowell, another well written, well thought out, courageous article. I would love to see a bebate between you and either Jesse or Al, or even both at once. You would demonstrate intelligence and reason while they would demonstrate emotion and ignorance.

Remember this old grade school demo?
Do you remember the old grade school demonstration where a statement is made and given to the first student in the classroom and were told to pass the statement along to the lst student. The last student said the statement they heard and the teacher told the class the "real" statement. And how we all laughed at how it changed! But did we learn the lesson of listening? I doubt many today understand this lesson.

So why do I post this? It is an attempt to illustrate what Sowell is saying! IMHO! Do you get it?

Ellison: another brilliant analysis
As usual Ellison rebutted every point sowell made; ellison is genius; in one sentence he explained why if black it is okay to have a rap sheet and kick someone unconsciouis and sowell is just blind and does not have black tinted glasses. With guys like Ellison it is no wonder the guy in Jena has a rap sheet; he is a hero to ellison and the rest of victims.

len
Read more. Post less.

W. Small
Wow, blacks are criminals because it's in their blood?! Does your hero Ron Paul support that theory as well?

Your attempt to criticize Dr. Sowell by mischaracterizing his book was pathetic at best. You forgot one major and key piece of his well-argued theory….how do you explain the overwhelming success of northern blacks (even exceeded the white majority in many areas) before the mass migration of southern blacks??


ellison: the rap artist
I was not too impressed with your attempt at being a rapper: Read more. Post less.

You do rap music a dishoner by praising reading. You might have won a award with something this:

Hey Hoe! Talk less; screw more.

I am only mimicking the genre of what motivated the guys to kick a helpless guy, Right out of the mainstream culture you apologize for,

Gabby
Your case of BDS appears to be fatal.

The rest of the story...
I see the usual pattern of race opportunists and other media types to grab a detail or two of a situation, bumper-sticker it for easy repetition/consumption, and then build a bigger problem from what ought to be a relatively simple matter of an unfortunately common crime.

This is why getting the whole story is so important in any situation before action or reaction is decided. This is especially true in racial matters, as we have an industry based on agrievement that looks for every opportunity to quickly sieze the moment for personal gain. The Sharptons and Jacksons of this industry don't want facts, they need hypebole to practice their trade.

Doctor Sowell has been a paragon of fact gathering before decision, so naturally he becomes a target of those who need heat rather than light in order to proceed with their agendas. Mr. Ellison's one sentence dismissal of Dr. Sowell's article is a perfect example the "heat vs. light" crowd's methodology.

I will take the time to gather more information about any situation before deciding what I think needs to be done, but in general will reject any recommendations from the victim industry, which is sad as there are actual injustices that need solutions and they could be a force for reasonable change insead of self-aggrandizing demagogery.

BTW, what other inanimate objects are going to be siezed upon as racist symbols?

"free Mumia"
.
"Google" the phrase "free Mumia" produces 239,000 hits.

Sowell is right.
Great article.

len
What are you talikng about? What does this have to do with rap?

You SHOULD read more and post less. You are very ignorant, especially when you tried to "school"
me about Frederick Douglass. That was the funniest thing.

And you claim to run a business and are a former principal.

Wow!!


History Lessons
"It is painful -- and dangerous -- how little we learn from history, even when it is recent history."

How do we learn from history when a bastardized version of it is taught in the schools these days?


Loyal Democrat
Re: Your post of 12:39AM...

I have read your posts now for some time on TH and have yet to see where you contribute anything to any discussion. Your every post is negative, complaining and for the most part incorrect - no matter the subject being discussed.

Today, however, you are spewing outright lies!

To state, or even suggest, that racism is as pervasive now as it "was in the days of the slave holding south" is an act of out-and-out deciete!

While our relationships here in the south still need improvement, any honest black person will readily tell you that racism is far more prevelent in the "liberal" north than anyplace in the south.

I do not see anyone...
...winning a debate with Jesse or Al. Their stock-in-trade is plausible deceit. Without real-time fact checkers as umpires, Jesse and/or Al cannot be defeated in the eyes of the uninformed, ill-informed, and intentional self-deceived.

walt
LD is a satirist...although I always find it amazing that even the most blatantly ignorant, bizarre and extreme liberal views he can manufacture are often confused as actual liberal thought....actually, it’s sort of frightening.


Liberals have destroyed our Courts
"With Liberty and Justice for all." When their is no justice - CHAOS will rule. I said it before and I will state it again. The Courts with their actions and inactions will bring about MOB RULE. When honest hardworking Americans realize that their is no true justice to protect their families and their children - WATCH OUT! The Courts and their Liberal Agenda will be their own undoing, cause when MOB RULES -They will be taken out and no habeus corpus either.

should have been...
..."intentionally".... Sorry.

Ralph
If you would like to criticize Dr. Sowell or his column, could you please point out the falsehoods the article, provide evidence of an illogical conclusion, etc. You often attempt to criticize Dr. Sowell’s articles, but you never say anything....rhetoric and accusations do not qualify as debate.

Ralph
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to which part of Dr. Sowell's analysis is the "insane" part.

ellison
Not only are u incapable of advancing an argument, but you are dull and boring. Douglass and me have something in common beyond you who only knows of pigments. You would have been there with Douglass's sons excoriating him for the worst of evils: marrying a white woman and calling him an oreo. You are so predictable proving the phrase: a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Dont post until you can tell me how to draw a tangent to a point on ellipse.

There is only one real answer
Personal responsibility for our actions. We don't see young folks taking responsibility for their actions because adult role models don't. Both Jessie and Al should step up and condemn this kind and his behavior. Both should get real jobs and see what it is like and set an example for young blacks. Instead they are all hot air and no substance.

Icedog
I agree. It's sort of like listening to the recent screeds from Bin Laden or Ahmadinejad--I'm left wondering which one of them will be the keynote speaker at the democrat national convention.

Sowell - Smart Man
Sowell is correct on all points. I'm sure he's seen a lot first hand over the years being a black man with regards to racial inequality. I love it when white liberals disagree with a black man over the status of "black America."

It's like, "What?! You need us!"

No they don't.

Great stuff.


Jackson and Sharpton
need to get new jobs if this country is to move on!! I heard Sharpton interviewed and he claimed his organization would come to the defense of a white person in the same situation if that person was getting "unequal " justice. The end result of his action in Gena is unequal justice. The result is that the hoodlum who kicked the white boy unconscious has not yet been charged with anything.

A step down in the level of debate
Sowell is kind of late to be commenting on this, so one would expect him to have the advantage of more information than many who jumped in too soon. Instead he seems to have paid very little attention to the case. He still seems to think that the nooses and the school beating compose the whole of the case for unequal treatment.

He skips the DA's stepping in after peaceful protest of the noose incident. He skips the beating of a black boy at a party (an incident which appears to be the actual triggering of the beating at the school). He skips the charging of black boy with theft for taking a gun that a white boy pulled on them. He skips the trumped up attempted murder charges that nobody seems to think was warrented, but were effective in getting the case into the adult courts and keeping one of the accused in jail for 9 months prior to the beginning of his actual trial.

Is a DA filing attempted murder charges that he knows to be nonsense really a detail to be left out of the case?

About never forgetting injustice
This morning I was listening to a Holocaust survivor being interviewed on the Laura Ingraham show. She was talking about her last visit to Poland where her mother died in an infamous concentration camp.

The cab driver told her that he wished people would "just get over it," the same thing that I feel as an American toward blacks: "you have freedom and opportunity. Just get over it and move on."

The difference is that the Jews, as a people, have moved on, and are just asking us to remember so that it will never happen again.

The black activists are doing something quite different. They are wallowing in it, not moving on, living as if they still were wearing shackles that they must break free of.

"Look down," I think to myself. "There are no shackles there! We fought a war that killed 600,000 Americans so that you could be free! Please don't waste it."

I promise to never forget the injustice of slavery and Jim Crow, if you all promise in return to get on with your lives, to stay in school, to make successes of yourselves and not waste the opportunity that was purchased with so much American blood.

LOYAL DEMOCRAT

.....I saw this in the letters to the editor ...are you the author? ...

.....The three white racists who hung nooses from that tree should be strung up in the town square naked and horse whipped until blood drips off their toes ...then they should be ordered to kiss the feet of all the black residents so that they can experience what our poor ancestors had to endure as slaves ...

.....In the place of the felled tree a statue of Martin Luther King should be erected and all whites should be required to remove their hats and shoes when passing by ...

.....the six brothers who beat that white racist unconsious and then stomped him into the ground should have all charges dropped immediately ...they were only doing what come naturally to young black boys ...it is a part of their culture ...that's why whitey is trying to supress Rap music because they are trying to keep blacks down .....COLOSSUS

More thoughts on never forgetting
The Holocaust survivor I mentioned spoke of her last trip to Poland, when she left the concentration camp she was visiting, the place where her mother died. She returned to the nearby town, and all over the place there was a symbol that disturbed her.

It was a drawing of a hangman's noose with a Star of David hanging there.

This is the same symbol so disturbing to black people in the South these days.

Here in California, where I have lived my life, a hangman's noose is just something that little boys play around with. We haven't the history of it being used for anyone but cattle rustlers and claim jumpers in the early days.

So when I see a black kids so upset at white kids were playing with nooses that the beat up one of them up and stomped on his head, I feel astonished.

I think the context is important, and explains all the upset, but nevertheless, we all need to stop behaving like barbarians.

Southern whites, teach your white children to stop taunting black kids with nooses, and souther blacks, teach your children a better way to deal with their anger.

And everyone remember: Success is the best revenge.

Snopes.com has a good timeline
of events in Jena, and one without the racial moaning going on in far too much of the commentary.

There are clearly events on both sides worthy of scorn, but no matter how offended one is about a noose being hung in a tree, it does not rise to the level of hitting a young man so hard he drops unconscious on the first blow, and the perpetrators' continuing to beat him after he is already down and out.

The first is obnoxious, and the second is a crime. Period, and it should be treated as a crime.

As to the gun wielding in the parking lot, unrelated witnesses to the event back up the white man's story - that he was being robbed by the black "youth" he pulled the gun on. The fact that they then took his gun, and beat him to the point of needing to be hospitalized, suggests he was not the attacker.

As to the beating of a black teen, at some party, I do not know the details of that, but as far as I can tell, the kid struck down in school was not involved in that incident.

Additionally, I find it curious that no photos of these poor black "Children" are being shown around on the news. I suspect they are in fact grown men physically, and menacing ones, at that. Most 16-17 year old high school students are physically mature, and given that the one already convicted is working on his 5th violent crime, I think it's high time he was treated as an adult, and faced the Adult jail time that he deserves.

Just when do you finally get to face the music outside of the children's court system? After you graduate to murder?

Sad
But before the full story came out I was up for punishing the kids who made the noose for the tree, now it turns out that happen three or so months before the beating. And we find out the noose was meant for a rival football team. Thanks once again mainstream media for getting the whole story before you start comparing the march to civil rights marches, NOT! It is my fault for not getting the whole story before passing judgment on the kids who wanted to hang their rivals from another school. You have my apology, and like I said it is my fault, because I always say, news outlets, you can fill volumes with what you do not see or hear. And I knew that. Temporary slip, it wont happen again.

EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW?

.....I'll believe it when the first black is charged with a hate crime ...

.....is it possible that no blacks have committed hate crimes since this ridiculous law was passed? .....COLOSSUS

On target article
Five stars for this one Dr. Sowell. You have brought out the usual socialist mob to attempt to discredit your words with insinuation, ridicule, and out right liberal lies. You also raise the question of will Jenna as a community survive after the media frenzy is over? I certainly hope so however; it will be a different community from this point on.

Great article
Also, as I understand it, this young man that was beaten up, had nothing to do with the nooses. It was a totally different matter. But it was played up as being a part of the nooses hanging in the tree.

But the camera, and media whores, Charpton, and Jackson, had to keep everything fired up. And I'm afraid it will get worse.

Hmmm
I'm going back and forth on this one. It looks as if there's been a lot of racial disharmony over a period of time in a single area. Teenagers being teenagers aren't that concerned with being politically correct or sensitive to the feelings of others. There are people who would say these attitudes originate in upbringing and by extension point to a systematic disenfrachisement of certain segments of the population. I don't think that's true. People minimize their own power when they give themselves over to such notions. While the noose can easily be construed as a symbol of lynching an opportunity existed to treat such a display with intelligence and compassion. An education may have been required. Instead, violence was chosen. How much longer is violence, apart from self defense, going to be considered okay in such instances? When will people stop condoning the actions of people like this? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton should be ashamed of themselves.

LoyalDemocrat: Get into the year 2007
The KKK has collapsed. The Neo-Nazis are a big joke. If a White guy gets accused of raping a black woman, a huge circus is made. There are anti-discrimination laws on the books. If a White guy preaches racism on TV, he becomes a pariah. There are more interracial marriages going on today than ever before and Black women are turning to White men galore.

That's the year 2007, not 1967.

And if a Black person or anyone else doesn't study for a test and then fails it is that person's fault. Racism's role has largely collapsed in America and I'm sick of people like you placing the race card galore.

Enough is enough. Are you now going to complain about stupid TV shows and the Oscar awards or maybe a cute dog on Taco Bell ads?

Take your endless, obnoxious, arrogant, bigoted, mean-spirited, vicious, nasty quest for things to complain about and shove it in the trash. People like you are the real bigots and not most people.

Doc
If I live in a small southern town where black students are socialized not to sit under a certain tree because it's reserved for whites (thus there is a history of tolerance for racial exclusion in this hypothetical town) and I, a white man, burn a cross your lawn, you being black, how about if I say "that cross-burning was not a racial incident---it is part of a footbal pep rally because our opposing team is from LaCROSSe, Wisconsin"?

1) The tree was already known as a place of racial separation.

2) Hanging nooses from that tree would carry a message, whatever the intention of the noose-hangers. Our high school students may not know much American history, but chances are they know what a lynching was (is).



Take a deep breath
Everybody needs to take a deep breath.

This situation falls into three sections as I see it.

Has anybody figured out who put the nooses in the tree? Was any law broken when whoever did it, did it? If there was and if the perps can be discovered they should face sanctions at least at the school level if not at the state.

Similarly, there needs to be an inquiry as to how the subsequent on-campus violence was handled by the school administration. Were the perps identified and sanctions applied.

Finally, in the last incident where serious assault took place. That strikes me as a matter for the local prosecutor (who I assume is elected) and the courts.

I think that the question can reasonably be asked as to whether the black students presently in jail are being Nifonged. If they are, it would seem to me that the state Bar Association should do an inquiry just as happened in North Carolina. Similarly, the state Attorney General's office should take a hard look at what is happening to make sure that the local DA hasn't run amok on them.

I used to live in Louisiana and their legal system is derived from the Napoleonic Code rather than English common law as is the norm in the rest of the US. In some cases the differences with which crimes and other matters are handled can be quite significant. This may be one of them.




Dr. Thomas' article
Is there any sane person who would equate hanging a few noose from a tree to being beaten half to death by six thugs?

Appearently there are many such.

Those who learned the nursery rhyme about sticks and stones (and have not forgotten it) know that only an idiot would say that they are in any way comparable.

I don't know about you, but as far as I am concerned, you can hate me all you like. I am man enough to cope with it. It would not hurt me in the slightest. I would bee mature enough to considrer the source.

But if you and five of your fellow thugs embushed, attacked and beaten me senseless, yes, that would hurt.

So, come to your senses about equating the two. This invitation to common sense goes out especially to the professional poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, but in their case, I am afraid, it is too late.


AEGIUS

.....Your perception is exceeded only by your ignorance .....COLOSSUS

Loyal Democrat
Loyal Democrat, you and I are priceless commodities in this, sadly, political correct world: we have a sense of humor.

I just wish I could express myself as eloquently as you!

Alas, I am just a LEGAL immigrant (50 years) who no speek no good inglishh.

Racist Neo Commies...
...behave just like ol' time KKK, redneck good-ol' boys. The Neo Racists are basically saying, "let the good ol' negro boys off. It's not their fault the white folk provoked 'em into their violent rage. 'sides, it's not agin the law for people of color to beat up on whites anyway."

Thanks Neo Commies for showing us your colors.

Right and wrong
Vince P writes: Tuesday, September, 25, 2007 12:55 AM
Leftists are insane
This country is under threat like never before (see the quotes below) and Leftists are totally oblivious about it. They are so busy with their selfish politics and damaging all defense of our nation and culture.


Vince P,
You are right about the threat but you are wrong about the looney left being oblivious about it.

They know exactly what they are doing and will continue to do it because it is in their game plan and the tactics come straight from the planning rooms of the communist internationale from many years ago. It worked to bring us to the point we are today, and it will continue to work until good people wake up to the fact that we must fight them using their own tactics.

lilly
Did you miss my point? It was not a part of the problem; it was done 3 or so months BEFORE the fight. It was done in SCHOOL SPRIT! Therefore that part was left out BY the mainstream media, meaning they got it WRONG as usual! Or could it be it was worth more air time if they made it racial?

dr sowell and the libs
other than attacking the messenger the libs can never refute sowell's arguments. Sowell argues for a color blind society where persons are judged on their abilities. Obviously those invested in the victimization culture only want the staus quo to continiue. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the sharpton's, the jackson's and the rest of their ilk with the platform they command courtesy of the msm could send messages similar to those coming from the likes of michael steel, thomas sowell, walter williams and others. Perhaps real progress might occur and the jena's might be seen as childish pranks rather than another indictment against hwites by the race hustler's. Exactly who thinks that teens act responsibly, that is until a jena comes up and suddenly this sad incident is used to promote universal racism. How typically sad of libs and blacks to continue to hold this view

plaasjaapie: the legality of nooses
Is making a noose and hanging it on a tree to taunt a black kid the same as flipping off the daughter of a rape victim?

Would she be vindicated for running the flipper over with her car?

In Los Angeles, people get shot on the freeway for flipping someone off.

Folks, it is wrong to taunt someone with a symbol of lynching, and it is wrong to taunt someone with the symbol that represents the words, "F### You."

But these are not offenses worthy of capital punishment. If someone taunts you, and it p1$$e$ you off, get over it!

LMAO
I knew somebody would waste no time calling Dr. Sowell "Uncle Tom". Somehow I knew it would be Warren the communist propagandist. It's always Warren, and where is Ayana to join the chorus?


Good column Dr. Sowell...5 stars.

Also lilly
Please do not use the ni fong case for a point. He tried to play the race card for the votewhore he was, and guess what, they did not commit the crime or the racial comments they were convicted of before they even had a trial. If I were black, I would have wanted his cajones in a sack, just to show I was on the side of law and order! Funny all I remember happing was he lost his right to practice Law, thank God for small favors, and was not charged with violating the suspects civil rights to due process!

about time
It is truly about time that our own Booker T. Washington weighed in on this story. From Sowell’s perspective (and he is, if nothing else consistent in his views) this article offers a very plausible analysis of events at Jena. The key is that he offers opinion so there is nothing wrong to what he has written. Instead, I suggest that he is actually kidding himself in some respects through his devotion to The Great Accommodator. While Sowell maintains an intellectual memory of the past, he seems to ignore the viseral. And that, I contend runs deep in this matter. For insite, MountainRose expresses it beautifully. Between the lines of her comment we can see someone innocently not grasping depth of the situation represented in the noose. It is too easy to say “That's the year 2007, not 1967”; but too many of us older folks are still alive and we have spread the hard feeling down to the younger folks. Now I will never deny that we are worlds away from where we were, but there remains in some places and some hearts all the old hate and fear.



lon
read before you post. The guy had a rap sheet of 5 prior crimes. Beating someone when unconscious is attempted murder of at least could be conceived as such. The guy was less than 18 and to make sure he would stay behind bars he was charged as adult with the serious crime. Standard procedure.
OF course, if you think it is a good idea for such guys walking around with a criminal record and no mercy on an unconscious person, import to where you live. IF you are lucky, maybe he will only steal your mother's soc check and not beat her.

Endless Shell Game
I'm tired of leaders of so-called "victim" groups changing the topic of conversation:
never mind these six thugs jumping ONE person...instead, look over here at this noose incident that happened last year and which none of these current people had any hand in. And we, apparently the glazed-eye masses, fall for it every time.

Following this strategy, it is impossible to see how anyone will ever again be convicted of a crime: because some injustice somewhere can be argued to have occurred which justifies acquital this time. Why can't someone murder or steal from a black family because Reginald Denny was savaged? One has nothing to do with the others, you cevil rights idiots. Your hatred for true justice is astounding.

Lolo1
LMAO
good call!

train of forward progressive change
I read Loyal Democrat's early morning screed and felt oppressed and humiliated. The premise is that blackness is something and that whiteness is something and the distinctions must be acknowledged and faulted for a sense of hostile without end reality. This is a sad epitaph that denies change and growth. Recently I was a guest at a very exclusive club in NYC. The top floor dining room designed by the architect Sanford White is one of the most elegant places anywhere. A person must be professionally successful to be a member and invite guests to this private club. As Ernie Banks is quoted saying while walking on LaSalle Street being reported on by a "cub reporter" from the Chicago Sun Times "Look at that handsome young man wearing the blue suit!" The table next to our group had three "handsome young men in professional suits". Granted ten fifteen twenty years ago this image would not have happened. Thomas Sowell is a man long aboard and riding the train of forward progressive change and if Loyal Democrat has missed the train and lost his/her seat it is not my fault.

More about racial whining
Ken Burnes' latest series about WWII is being aired this week: good timing since the worst living Holocaust denier just spoke at Columbia University.

So I was surprised to hear that there was a protest agains the Burnes film series.

Of course, it was a group of Mexicans, once again whining that they were not included in the series.

I have to say that I am sick and tired of turning on the TV to see yet another special program on Hispanics in California. I used to like the Spanish and Mexican enfluences in California, but they have whined so much they are over exposed and we are fed up with their complaining.

I felt like telling them if they want a documentry about them fighting in the war, make one themselves, but I realized that if I saw one more special on Hispanics, I will throw up.

Already every TV station is falling all over themselves to hire Mexicans as news anchors, and some of them feel obliged to say every single Spanish word with a Mexican accent. Very annoying.

These aggitators are so irritating, the illegal aliens have abandoned them.

Most illegals still have common sense, and see how the Lefties' activities are making them persona non grata in Los Angeles.

But this does not deter the activist, who seem to have never ending funds with which to annoy us.

Loyal Democrat
Your comment "Racism is as rampant now as it was in the days of the slave holding south." has to be one of the most ridiculous and ignorant statements I have heard in quite a while.


Warren
Are you serious, northern blacks were smart and successful because they had a few drops of white blood?!? Is Thomas Sowell a mulatto as well?

Can you please stop posting on this article. The regulars here all know you are a hardcore communist, but the Kos and Huffington libs frequently scan this site for “evidence” of conservative hatred, and your ignorant comments will just provide them fodder.

mob rule
You are so right Dr. Sowell. Situational defiance of institutional authority doesn't simply cause moral rot in the way we conventionally think of morality. It is deeper and more insidious, because it undermines all authority - even the authority of those who call for the defiance of traditional authority. City councils that superciliously defy marriage laws and declare their borders to be "sanctuary cities" are sowing the seeds for their own demise as surely as Jacobinists in revolutionary France laid the groundwork for the chaos that swallowed them. Mohandis Ghandi and Martin Luther King were so very wise to understand the sacrifices of civil disobedience as vital to maintaining civil authority and effecting responsible change.

They all look alke
One time at a company where I worked there were several black employees.

One day there was a discussion about an article in the newspaper where someone, when asked to identify a defendant in a crime case, said, "They all look alike to me."

A couple of our black employees laughed at that old worthless comment.

I then said, "Sue, you are a beautiful lady, and Joe, you are a nice looking man, and I have never been confused, and failed to identify which of you, were who."

Dr. Sowell is Right.
Doc,
Re your 11:28 posting. There have been many misleading stories about this incident and as usual the drive by media got it wrong. Check out http://www.kansascity.com and serach for Jason Whitlock's article titled Lessons from Jena, LA.

It is sad indeed that we never learn from history. It seems The Duke Lacrosse case taught us nothing. I carry the following quote from Booker T. Washington with me all the time. It serves to make me think before following the race baiting crowd.

"There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the horribles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the negro race before the public. Having learned that they can make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising the wrongs partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs".

Warren Small-minded
"If they were still in Africa, their penchant for extended-family structures without formal marriage, polyphiloprogenitiveness, murderousness and failure to take elementary care of their bodies would be normative. It's how hunter-gatherers with attenuated horizons and low IQs behave to this day-- as we see all over the decolonized Dark Continent."

This explains your communist/socialist/demoncrap leanings.

“They can’t help it, it’s in their blood!”

Ellison, do you have no response to this???? This is typical thinking of many of the liberal white supporter, by the way.
I’m offended for you and Dr. Sowell!

I’d flag him, but I want others to see what he has to say, and realize he’s on the left side of the aisle. He also supports affirmative action, welfare, and unions.

Redhead
Ellison will not respond because so long as Warren supports AA and welfare it matters not what he actually thinks of blacks. He is not an evil republican so its okay. The DNC in all it's glory.

Let's get real
Hanging nooses from a tree is nothing more than a stupid, insipid teenage prank. It may be ugly, intolerant and offensive but so is some free speech and if burning the Americna flag has been deemed by the SC of the US to be "symbolic free speech" then the nooses fall into the same category.

However, beating someone up is a felony. Some have said that the victim of the beating was well enough to attend a school function later that evening after receiving treatment at a local ER so he really wasn't injured that badly. This is an idiotic argument. If somone fires a gun at another person and happens to miss, do we then deem that no serious crime has been committed?

This is another example of the racial hucksters, Jackson and Sharpton et al, interfering in a local matter and with the assistance of the mainstream media turning it into fiasco that deserves neither the attention or the "outrage" it is receiving.

len
What exactly is it that I am supposed to read. I suppose I could read the person familiar with the case who thinks that the charge of attempted murder was a serious one, but there does not seem to be such a person. To use a phony charge to ramp up the seriousness of the actual charges is not applied the law, it is abusing the law. The courts finally threw out the conviction on that rather obvious ground. But DA's are nost supposed to use trumped up charges to keep people in jail prior to their real trial.

But your admonition that I read before posting would require that there be some relevant material that I am supposed to read. I read Sowell's account, but it was notable only for what it left out. I certainly read nothing new there. Does Sowell not know that one of the Jena 6 was beeaten up at a party attended by the victim 2 days earlier and that nothing serious was done in that case?

There is an imbalance between being beaten up and hanging nooses. There is less of an imbalance between a white guy getting beaten up and ab lack guy getting beaten up.

To leave out all of the events between the hanging fo he nooses and the attack in the school is either a sign of ignorance or dishonesty. My guess in this case is that from Sowell it is ignorance. He is one of these theorists who reaches his conclusion on a priori grounds, as his Jacksonand Sharpton support it so the reasoning must be wrong argument above suggests.

But I could be wrong, it could be dishonesty.

One more time folks
When the white kids responded to minority encroachment of traditionally white space by hanging nooses they were not engaged in a prank, or behavior that was simply reprehensible, they were engaging in ethnic intimidation.

Additionally, Sowell's thesis is fundamentally flawed because he skips over the months of racially charged violence in the interim. In each case, the white students were given light punishment, if at all, while the sanctions against the blacks were in the extreme.

That is the crux of the Jena Six situation. The law to which Sowell appeals has been applied unequally and along racial lines.

A couple of things.
Of course the noose is a symbol of lynching. It couldn't be anything else to black people, considering the role it played in the demise of so many of us. Historically, the noose was certainly not just an example of proficiency in tying knots. Not today either.

Those idiot white kids should never have been permitted to hang out under that tree. (No pun intended) In fact, once it had taken on the symbolic role it apparently has, it should have been cut down.


As for the idiot who said that racial relations in America are no better than they ever were, he is nuttier than a fruitcake. Not to mention being a d*^#n'd liar. I am seventy-two years old, and black. I know that things are better racially in America. It takes a white, liberal, anti-American moron to claim that things haven't changed.


There will always be racists in America. The same can be said for any other country. Racists are miserable, hateful people. They are inadequate in their own minds, and it infuriates them. It makes their miserable lives easier if they can try to view themselves as better than some other people. They are scum.


The tragedy is that some blacks fall into that catagory. I just saw a bunch of little black hoodlums assaulting a thirteen year old white boy in Norfolk, VA. The same thing happened in Jena. The sixteen year old thug who was charged as an adult had a fairly impressive rap sheet. He most definitely belongs in jail.

Cont.

Lon
It is you who is being dishonest. The case was overturned because the appellate court did not think the defendant should have been tried as an adult.....not because of "phony charges" and "abuse of the law".

The victim beat up one of the Jena 6 members two days before his attack? ....please provide link or source.

....and you do need to follow len's advice. You can start here...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/columnists/jason_whitlock/story/284511.html

A couple of things-Cont.


Perhaps the prosecutor went too far in charging this little bum. Perhaps the prosecutor is a white racist. Perhaps every white person in Jena is a white racist. How many of them can there be? What percentage of the population of this country do you think that they represent, even if they are racists?


The nation has changed for the better since the struggle for civil rights. It doesn't matter what idiots say about it. Black racists present a threat to America. Those little black punks in fact can be viewed as embryonic lynch mobs. The problem is that all of those people who descended on Jena to protest legitimized their behavior. We are all going to pay a price for that.

Redhead/Virgina Con
Warren Small is a Republican. He suppots Ron Paul. He is not liberal. He may be "white". Enjoy him on your side guys.

Flag him. I did.

Also, do all conservatives hate "white liberals"?

Why the mistrust? Do they intimidate you? Are they traitors?


cultural differences
Why is it almost impossible for anyone to admit racist problems are what they are, cultural differences.

How many of the people on this site now, want to live as the blacks live in the so called bad part of the city. First of all, its the bad part of the city because the people who live there take no care of it.

And how many of the blacks now in the bad part of the city would like to move to a good part of the city.

Now all that's left is to decide how to let that second idea happen.

It certainly won't happen with the boys with pants below the crack, and the girls pregnant. The horrible sewer sounds of the garbage generation sure doesn't help, but white millionaires encourage them to make those kinds of noises, with those kinds of words.

It's the culture, and if those who would like to move to another culture won't try to improve their way of life, or even let others help them, then they get what they deserve.

I don't believe any school teaches blacks not to learn because that makes them look white. But come to think of it, while they don't want to be white, they want to live white.

VA Conservative Thank you
short trip to the article-
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=11BCFAAAB382EF78&p_docnum=8

pretty much says it all.
Thank you, Mr Whitlock

And
Thank you,
Mr.Thomas Sowell

jim pt. 2
Are you Bill O'Reilly????

You two would make a wonderful pair!!!

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007?f=h_latest

VA Conservative
“so long as Warren supports AA and welfare it matters not what he actually thinks of blacks. He is not an evil republican so its okay. The DNC in all it's glory.”

I said at the time that all Michael Richard or Don Imus should have done is show their DNC voter registration cards, and they would have been off the hook.

Ellison
“Warren Small is a Republican. He suppots Ron Paul. He is not liberal. He may be "white". Enjoy him on your side guys.”

Supporting Ron Paul does not make him a Republican, or even a conservative, in my book. I’ve got another name for most Ron Paul supporters, and it rhymes with cut nase. If Warren Small is a supporter that’s all the more reason to avoid him. He’s definitely not on my side.

“Also, do all conservatives hate "white liberals"?”

When it comes to liberals, I’m just as equal opportunity. I hate them all!
(that's a joke for those with extra-thin skin...)

Icedog
You seem to have missed some facts about the case. Bell was originally charged with attempted murder. This was a ludicrous charge, but it had the feature that the charge bumped the case from juvenile court to adult court. Battery charges would have left the case in juvenile court.

Before the trial started, the ludicrous attempted murder charge was dropped, but the DA argued the case should stay in adult court anyway, and a judge bizarrely agreed. The appeals judge saw how ridiculous that was and threw the verdict out and now the case is heading for juvenile court where it belonged the whole time.

If you want to get a sense of how ludicrous the attempted murder charge was, look at the article you linked to. The author of that article considers that charge to be so clearly unjustified that he uses it as the standard for arguing that releasing the Jena 6 would be unjustified.

So go back. Read that article. This time understand what it has to say about the attempted murder charge. And then say whether you really think it is not a big deal that a DA would file ludicrous criminal charges as a way to get around what the law calls for. (I know DAs routinely file harsh criminal charges with the intention of bargaining them down. But this is only legal if they believe the defendant is guilty of the harsh charges. It is never acceptable for a DA to file charges he knowns are nor defensible to get to the charges he wants.)

Black culture
Ralph Ellison writes: Tuesday, September, 25, 2007 3:29 PM
jim
You are indeed stupid and racist. Lord, I love TH.
=====

Now I know it is most likely above you belt size, I mean your IQ, but would you please try and explain your comment. How or what did I say that is racist?

Do you not know how so many in the bad part of a city lives, or don't you want to know.

Why don't you move there and see what happens.

Years ago I suggested to a Police Chief of a major city, that the city should buy run down homes in the bad part of town, then give them to a policeman for free, if he would fix it up and live there. And make sure everyone in the neighborhood knows he a policeman.

He said, we have discussed that, but no one would dare live there in a uniform.

But I bet Ralph Ellison would love to live there and be an example of how to improve/change the culture.

Redhead
Yes Warren Small is a Republican. You must be so proud.


Ellison
I should amend the above post.

"He’s definitely not on my side."
I should add, neither is Bill O'Reilly. I've never trusted that guy from the first time I heard him on the radio. I do think he is borderline racist. I will agree with you on that one. The only person he's looking out for is himself.

fighting...
When I was a young guy me and my pals spent a lot of time thinking about fighting, practicing fighting and cruising around at night through the drive-ins looking for a fight. We'd pass other cruisers and hope for an insult so we could pop out of the car and punch somebody. It was a lot of fun and I don't regret it at all. Even though I was occasionally the punch-e! Fist fighting builds character. BUT, we didn't shoot, stab, or bludgeon one another. We didn't look for a racial type or a class type to beat on. We were equal opportunity scrappers. One other important thing; we didn't gang up on anybody. It was almost always one on one. When somebody did break that rule we looked for them and showed them the error of their ways. That usually ended the practice.
What I see now in the news is that often a big bunch of guys will beat on a lone guy or two. What happened to pride in one's fighting ability? What glory is there in taking five of my buds and beating up some poor schmuck? And then kicking him when he's down? Like in Jena.
When I see that some schools forbid rough sports or even touching on the playground I shudder. Some of the best friends I'll ever have are guys that I've gotten bloody with.
This you can believe or not. Most kids who do the martial sports, Golden Gloves, Karate etc. or just like to fight and fight fairly grow up to be well adjusted adults. They don't need to belong to a gang to feel safe. They have confidence in themselves.
To me it looks like we're heading towards a nation of young men who've never thrown a punch; or taken one. No wonder the punks gang up. They are afraid to fight one on one. They might get hurt!
Boys need to roughhouse to become men. Men need to scrap to remain men; but please, no weapons and one on one. Afterwards we can have a beer and eat some pizza -if we got any teeth left.

jim
"How or what did I say that is racist?"

Everything was. If you can't see it, then something is wrong with you.

Are you Bill?

lon
What was thrown was that he was charged as an adult and apparantly kicking someone who is unconscious which in many cases leads to brain damage and vegetable status is not serious if under age. That was all that was thrown out; his age business

I dont all the facts about allowing white guy off, but from what I read it seems all those events were minor. This was a major one where he may have been one two more blows from death or brain damage. If you cant see the difference, then what can I say.

What do you suggest, the next white guy should be let off after slashing his wife and her friend because OJ was let off. That is the level of your thining.
In additoin, I heard the fed prosecutor, black being interviewed; and if there was some systematic racial discriminaton it is federal matter and he would be prosecuting it. So far, as he stated he has seen nothing to justifiy that. There may be but it has nothing to do the case. I guess if the white guy were a homosexual, then you would all up in arms. Another close mathew shepard case; but just an oridinary white kid so what is the big deal that he almost died or had severe brain damage. All you liberals lost nights of sleep over Rodney king, driving 100mph, endangering lives of all races, high on cocaine, and incorriglbe leading to beatings. That really got to you. But he was the right color and the heck with his driving 100 mph endanger everyone in his way.
When color comes, liberals lose their ability to think.

len
What was thrown out was his conviction for aggrevated battery because it was incorrectly filed in adult court when by law it should have been filed in juvenile court. The way that it got into adult court was that the DA taked on a ludicrous charge of attempted murder which automatically moved the case into adult court. Once there, the attempted murder charge was removed.

I suggest that the DAs apply the law. It would be nice if they applied it equally as well. What is it you are suggesting? Is it really ok for DAs to get around the law by filing ludicrous charges and then removing them when the ludicrous charges have served their purpose?

Have you yet found someone familiar with the case willing to defend the attempted murder charges on the merits?

Little Ralphy might be a Screwball
From Mike Gallaher's earlier article on Jena:

Ralph posted the following comments on separate occasions to those he disagreed with:

"You also are someone with a racist view on life. I pray for you."

"Your post is insulting and ignorant. Enough said."

"The ignorance displayed on TH by some posters is sad."

What is truly stunning is that people continue to post with him. He's a child that cannot engage in debate. He's a parody. He's a joke. He's ridiculous.

Let me end with another quote of his:


"And we are not stopping until the 6 boys are acquitted."

Amazing. Next thing you know he'll be chanting "By Any Means Necessary!" The sad thing is this - I almost wish they would be acquitted so little Ralphy would shut the f-up already.


Ralph Ellison
In your post to jim..."If you can't see it.."


If you can't explain it then something is wrong with you as well. If you have a teaching moment or aren't afraid of debate then I suggest you jump on it.

Jim..
It was racist of you to insinuate that blacks cannot get ahead because of their culture. The root of the problem is that whites reject black culture out of intolerance, hence they deprive blacks of the advancements and opportunities merely because blacks express cultural differences.

For example, is it fair that a white employer deny a black guy the oppotunity to get a job as a junior executive merely because the black candidate did poorly in school, swears constantly, wears his pants down around his knees, and has a felony record chock full of violent offenses? A racist would say yes, but the more enlightened simply agree that such attributes are part of the black culture, and therefore these differences should be admired, encouraged, and accepted.

Uncle Tom sellouts that deny their culture manage to get ahead in a white world. They study in school, eschew crime, and dress in white attire because that is the only way they can get a decent job. And that is indeed indicative of racism.

To all of you libtards who
are repeating the lies that have been spread by the likes of Al, Jessie, and the lamestream media, didn't you learn your lesson from the Durham case?

Doesn't it seem odd to you that even after the appeals court said the 1st defendent could not be tried as an adult under the charge that the judge still will not give bail? Do you think that he is just being a racist pig when the ENTIRE nation and every liberal news organization in the country is looking?

And no WARREN SMALL is not a conservative. Since I don't wish to be banned I will not describe what group of people I would place him in.

Loyal Democrat
ROFLMAO!!! I do wish you would post more!!! I love your satire.

Vic
Ditto that post buddy. Every time on the left someone screws up they want to automatically assume he is on the right. Same thing is happening on Limbaugh's thread as well. People on the left are saying Bollinger is a tool of the right, caved in to the right, or is right wing. In other words it's all the right's fault. Gives new meaning to not accepting responsibility and the fact that maybe, just maybe everyone on the left is also not perfect.

P.S. I personally have met Bollinger, as he is from the town in which I live and I used to work with a lot of his family members. He is very liberal. However, not as far left as some of the posters here. I noticed his hair is turning white faster than Bush's and he is getting fat.

LD
Boy, you're trying to set a record for friendly fire today, aren't you?

Brilliant satire, as usual.

Econ/Lolo
You know Econ, you took my quotes out of context. I responded in that to the following posters: Warren Small and kfaideed. Are these not racists? Why not post their wonderful opinions??? How can you debate those who view themselves as already superior based on their skin color???

Amazing you go after me, but not those who spew racist nonsense. Interesting. As for the Jena 6, I’m not gonna shut up. I wonder if you cringe the same when the Duke Case is ALWAYS brought up.

Nice job.

Lolo,

I wish not to “debate” with someone who thinks all African Americans live in a bad part of town which is caused by a degenerate/inferior culture, stereotypes all African American males with sagging pants, stereotypes all African American women as pregnant, and calls young adults a “garbage generation”.

Come on Lolo. You’ve got to be kidding me. How can you not see something wrong with this? Just like Econ, you attack me and not the racist jim. Maybe you agree with him. Maybe you see me the same way as jim and other posters do. How nice.

PS: I haven’t got the book. No local library has it.

lon
So the da made an error in trying to get this guy because of past record; not quite the error as in the duke rape case; that is the adolescent is guilty of something serious and a record; justice worked and he was overturned. What is the big deal. Compare to scooter libby who was basically charged with a political crime and was to serve 3 years. Who is more dangerous or harmful to the country and its citizens.

My only point is that this has become an issue because race is like brittany spears walking around without underwear; it grabs everybody and Wow!
Look! The appeals court overthrew the DA charge without all the noise.

IT is odd that jackson, sharpton and the black commuity care so much that they wont even raise bail for him. Why is that? It seems to me they want to bang USA over the head than any concern for the boy.

Talk about a couple of racists
Loyal Democrat writes: Tuesday, September, 25, 2007 4:23 PM
Jim..
It was racist of you to insinuate that blacks cannot get ahead because of their culture.
==============
Ralph Ellison writes: Tuesday, September, 25, 2007 3:47 PM
jim
"How or what did I say that is racist?"
Everything was. If you can't see it, then something is wrong with you.
=======

Talk about a couple of idiots. Tell me, how important is culture to you? And speaking of black culture is, to quote Loyal, “…… did poorly in school, swears constantly, wears his pants down around his knees, and has a felony record chock full of violent offenses.”

How many jobs have people like that created?

If you are part of the culture who creates jobs, and makes the world a better place to live, that is wonderful, you are part of the solution.

If you are a part of the culture who “…… did poorly in school, swears constantly, wears his pants down around his knees, and has a felony record chock full of violent offenses.” you are not wonderful, you are part of the problem.

All a country has is its border and its culture. If you violate either, out you should go.

A culture is, “The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.” And no way are you going to convince me that is not important.

You two and you friends are the most racists, the most disgusting of all. You tell the world that blacks can “…… did poorly in school, swears constantly, wears his pants down around his knees, and has a felony record chock full of violent offenses.” and that is fine with you. Would you let your children act like that? If one of your children gave that as his resume, would you say? “It’s because of your culture, please continue.”

Why, Dr. Sowell...
...I'm surprised at you! Haven't you heard?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" - George Orwell

jim
Loyal Democrat is a poorly done satire. He used to be the lead writer for "The 1/2 Hour News Hour" on Fox News before it got canceled.

Back to you, your fallacy is that you have blended racism and stereotypes to make a distorted view of a culture that supposedly represents all African Americans.

You are wrong. Plain and simple.

all this and all that
Ralph Ellison writes: Tuesday, September, 25, 2007 4:53 PM
Econ/Lolo
-----
Lolo,

I wish not to “debate” with someone who thinks all African Americans live — — all African American males — — all African American women as pregnant, and calls young adults a “garbage generation”.
----------
You are even more of an idiot than I thought. Will you point out to me anywhere that I used the word “all?” You used the word all several times, I didn’t. Therefore you are calling all black this and all black that, not me.

I didn't use the word “all” when I talked of you, so are you accusing me of calling al white people idiots, or only people like you and your friends.

And by the way, you should not travel under false pretenses, are you an European American, An Asian American, or as expected, from outer space.

Your complaint about the garbage generation. Some years ago, a young idiot, was that you, said, “While you were growing up, you didn’t have color TV, computers, and a bunch of other stuff, so what did you do?” I said, “My generation created, developed, and produced all those things. what has your generation done of any value?”

And if you don’t think that noise your hear blasting from a car is not the sewer sounds of the garbage generation, you are really an idiot. But then, not every current young person is a member of the garbage generation, but too many are, just like you. You don’t have to be young to be part of that generation.

Why, Dr. Sowell...
...I'm surprised at you! Haven't you heard?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - George Orwell

Mr. Orwell succinctly predicted the inevitable demise of genuine attainable equality, absent a sufficiently respected and/or adequately crafted constitution. Precisely where we are headed. The new boss is the same as the old boss. It makes no difference who gets to decide whose racism will be revered. Racism persists regardless of which flavor. As Justice Roberts opined: "The way to stop discrimination, is to stop discriminating." Duh! Our populace, in abject ignorance regarding our history and founding documents (see Suzanne Fields column, "Not Much Ado About History") is inclined to resort to tribalism and mob rule.

Sincerely, Dr. Sowell's observations are, once again, spot on!

Lolo
Yes, that is true most of the time. However, we have a few people who will blame the left when someone on the right posts nutty stuff also. Some of the Paulettes have posted some fairly stupid stuff and some of us have assumed they were leftist because of the stupidity of the post. I am not sure what category Warren Small is in beside racist. I have seen him post leftist drivel, I have seen him post "truther" drivel, and I have seen him post racist drivel reminiscent of the neo-nazis. The only place you can reliably put him is "troll" as all of his comments are designed to aggravate people and not debate.

And Ellison, that is why you don’t see people responding to his obvious cr*p. When you respond to a troll you only reward them. When he posts his racist stuff flag it as offense and sooner or later a monitor will pull him and all his posts. That hasn’t stopped his kind in the past though. They just come back under a different name.

Loyal Democrat
"Hopefully white America will soon realize that it is wrong to punish blacks for any crime they commit. After all, all blacks have endured slavery, and all whites have owned slaves."

Up until that statement, I thought that you were just another crazy liberal. Now I know that your just here to stir s_ _ t for your personal entertainment since even crazy liberals aren't that crazy.

You remind me of the kids that post on the sports websites. Why not go there and get your jollies from the other kids. Some of us here are trying to be serious and debate real issues.

ralph
a small suggestion. You might gain more from your arguments if you didn't resort to calling persons you disagree with as racist. Jesse has overused that term to the point it is no more than a hollow charge. if you hear an argument you disagree with disassemble the argument or offer ideas where you see flaws.

Jim: why should there be cultural diffs?
Cultural differences, as the Lefties say, are just "social constructs." In the 1950s, the black and white cultures were a lot more similar than they are now.

Then the Marxists convinced them not only to rise up against injustice (which was the right thing) to also abandon American culture.

Many Blacks ignored them, and raised their kids to be successful overcomers, to prove that blacks are capable of everything whites are. They produced offspring like Condie Rice and Colon Powell. But others were convince them that anger and bitterness, rebellion and resentment were the way to power. All they did was to "cut off their noses to spite their faces."

There are no one masters or a slaves still alive. The Jim Crow laws are gone. No one is standing in the way, and if they try, just go around them and keep on the path to success.

White Hate
This was really about: "White hate crime" that certainly is not confined to Jena.

Warren
My goodness, the bigot in you is just oozing from every pore!

paul
make your argument rather than just tossing out an unwarranted charge you fail to back up with proof. Show your proof this is ongoing rather than an isolated event

wildwest
I did. And jim is still a racist.

And who cares what Jesse says. He has nothing to do with this.

Are you going to get the books bro?

VIC

.....Ellison makes a few valid points but he sees everything through "race colored" glasses so everything he sees is in that spectrum .....COLOSSUS

WILDWEST

.....Ditto in my post to Vic regarding Ellison.....COLOSSUS

Ralph Ellison
I didn't acknowledge Warren because the man is so far gone what would be the point? Why lend his racist rants any credibility? I posted to you because you made a charge and a summation but refused to debate it or back it up. Quite frankly while I see where jim is going, no I don't totally agree with him. However he did not use the word 'all'...you did. You made an assumption that was not yours to make. I do disagree with him in a certain aspect. I have seen Blacks discriminated against simply by the color of their skin, just as I have been discriminated against by blacks for the color of my skin. I think what jim is trying to say is when we divide by culture and not respect inherit differences in background racism arises. I agree with that.

BTW I would never equate you with Warren. You are much much smarter despite the fact we disagree sometimes.

Vic
In regards to your second post to me...ON THE MONEY!!!!

Lolo
Yes, I have no problem responding to Lilly and Ellison. They are wrong 95% of the time and refuse to admit it and they seldom offer any real evidence for their opinions, but they are polite.

Lolo1
I don't think jim was trying to go where you think he was.

He said "Blacks", not "some" or "a small percentage". I assumed that he meant all African Americans, inclusing myself. That is not cool.

Plus, his descriptions of people and places directly correlating with the color of their skin is ridiculous. He really made no sense.

I appreciat the smart comment. We disagree alot because we see the world differently. Just as simple as that.

All I ask is for respect. I am a liberal on a conservative site. I'm almost to the point of leaving. Daily Kos is calling me back.


lolo 1
You are easily seduced. you say you say to ellison that you would not equate withdsmall as a compliment to Ellison. You are wrong, small is like the old maid aunt who you keep locked in the attic because of her embarrassing language; ellison is snake in the grass who is very seductive like his use of the term "bro" all put on ghetto lingo which he gotten away with in intimidating those who suffer from white guilt and my guess other blacks who think out of box; he is superficially clever, but no depth. He is one of those self-anointed who speak for anoints himself to represent "authentic" blackness for whatever that means. You would never know from sowell's writing that he is black; it is irrelevant, but not for Ellison. That is why he is a bore.

Everyone
"ellison is snake in the grass who is very seductive like his use of the term "bro" all put on ghetto lingo which he gotten away with in intimidating those who suffer from white guilt and my guess other blacks who think out of box; he is superficially clever, but no depth. He is one of those self-anointed who speak for anoints himself to represent "authentic" blackness for whatever that means. You would never know from sowell's writing that he is black; it is irrelevant, but not for Ellison. That is why he is a bore."

Wow. Ghetto lingo? Snake in the grass? A bore?

Someone really HATES me.LMAO!!!

ralph
as it seems I am one of those you address as bro let me state that I viewed as a friendly comment. There is not doubt we are at different ends of the spectrum, yet I am not troubled by your arguments. I don't agree with your points but that is what our country is all about. We are big enough to have differing points of view. Neither is right nor wrong just different.

Attacked by blacks..
I, a 50+ yr. old man, was attacked by 9-10 black teens late one night while trying to make a medical delivery to a nursing home. I was called every racial ephithet in the book. They didn't get to me before I made it to the car, but they kicked my car causing a huge dent. My problem was I let my guard down and assumed no threat from these kids. I was one who had forgot racism. No more. This wasn't the first attack. There is a violent hatred among a segment of black teens for whites. There is definitely racism. Experiencing this all the time, I have no sympathy for the tired race-mongering going on in Jena. Until blacks look inward and fix or at least condemn the black youth that are carrying on like animals, they will never gain respect of society.

Local black talk radio defends every black action. They think O.J. was set-up and still don't understand why people don't "leave him alone" over this "murder" thing, stating he was found innocent, but will not apply this logic to the Duke case. They think the "white boys" are guilty because "rape is hard to prove."

When any group or person makes race the center of their being they are destined to fail eventually, especially if you try and justify every failure by blaming racism. The NAACP is collasping just like the KKK.

Sowell Suffers from Asperger's Disorder!
Growing up, he was often mistreated and probably abused for being "different". Even as victims of white racism, Blacks themselves aren't overly tolerant of people different, and treated like a pariah.

What he does NOT tell in his many (unsuccessful, by US standards) books about his life is that he spent MUCH time in facilities for the mentally ill (at that time, not much was known about Aperger's and Autism, and many of the features would seem to correspond to types of schizophrenia)even though he probably didn't belong in them per se. He was very intelligent in terms of rote fact and logical reasoning.

You guys may cheer him as a hero, of sorts, or your own faithful, loyal "tom" (excuse the pun), but what you are really doing is encouraging someone very sick indeed.

While, we're on the web here, read up more on the sunject of Apserger's Diorder and Autism.

Black or White
it is not about skin color in the south. I know. I grew up there and did not move away until I was 33. What divides the races is culture, and what is considered acceptable behavior.

I have read most of Dr. Sowell's writings, and his book Black Rednecks and White Liberals is spot-on. I encourage all to read that book. He makes the point that if blacks are biologically dumb (low IQ) then why do blacks from other countries perform so well on college entrance exams, military proficiency exams, and others?

It is the chip-on-the-shoulder attitude that is to blame. There is a similar sub-culture among anglo-saxons in the UK. Same low test scores.

I have traveled the world several times in my career, and met and worked with people in nearly two dozen countries. Guess what? In each country, some people are smart, some are average, and some are not so bright. Some obey the laws, and some just cant stop getting thrown in jail. How does race account for that?

My friends and I disliked blacks intensely while growing up, and avoided them as much as possible. But not because they were black. It was entirely because of their obnoxious, bullying, threatening behavior, and openly taunting whites now that the Civil Rights Act allowed them to do so with impunity. more...


even Dully klutz doesn’t want you
Ralph Ellison writes: Tuesday, September, 25, 2007 6:45 PM
Lolo1
I'm almost to the point of leaving. Daily Kos is calling me back.
=====

Since even Dully Klutz doesn’t want you, sending you COD wouldn’t work, but I’ll pay the postage.

=======

I know you can’t understand this, but for six decades, F W and his group, spread their smooth sound through-out the world. He sold millions of records.

One day I met his son at a restaurant. I said, “Since there is such a dearth of beautiful music these days, why don't you put together a Glee Club and orchestra like your dad used to have, and give us some music to enjoy?”

He said, “I would love to, but I have absolutely no musical talent!” I replied, “That's no excuse, lack of talent certainly hasn't stopped anyone else!”

More Black or White
and whites in the south see this every day. Affirmative action in hiring and promotion, racial preferences in college admissions, special treatment based on race in college grades (cant flunk the black students who dont try, dont attend class, and disrupt classes with outrageous non-sequiturs with impunity).

Then white couples see their sons and daughters denied money for college but black children get tons of money.

I moved to California and raised my sons in a much more tolerant and respectful place, at least where we live. I still avoid certain areas where gangs are known to be, though. Not because the gang members are black (or brown or any other color). The behavior is what I avoid - being shot at, assaulted, or otherwise threatened.

I wish we all could just get along. I now have many friends who happen to have ancestors from Africa. They are wonderful, caring, interesting people and none of them act in any way as if they have a chip on their shoulder.

Loyal Democrat,
collect your Towhall posts and put all of them in book.

I guarantee, it would be a runaway best-seller among those of us who are not cursed with chronic lack of sense of humor.

Cut me in for ten percent of the proceeds for the idea.




Texn Engneer, Magic Johnson
Texn Engneer writes: Tuesday, September, 25, 2007 8:06 PM
More Black or White
and whites in the south see this every day. Affirmative action in hiring and promotion, racial preferences
=======
Does that happen in companies owned and operated by black people? You say, there’s hardly any/many companies owned by black people. Well, that’s something to work on with the many black millionaires.

Ten or fifteen years ago I had a letter to the editor, about Magic Johnson, published in the Los Angeles Times Magazine

“Isn't it just possible that south-central Los Angeles might need something other than movie theaters that will show Hollywood-produced gang training films? What a waste of money. Think of all the useful things (child-care centers, medical centers, grocery stores, home repair) that could have been created with all that money.

Is Magic a hero? Not in my book.
---------------

Then a couple of weeks after the article that I responded to was printed, and in the exact same paper this letter appeared, there was a story that Magic donated several million dollars to a church. What timing!

======

But the funny thing is, I also mentioned that most likely Magic had passed his AIDs to others, and maybe had a child here and there, after all his sexual adventures.

An editor of the LA Time’s called and said he wanted to print the whole letter, but the lawyers would not let him.

Sowell's Asperger's Disorder Continued
While this man has seeming book smarts, he lacks common sense, an ability to "read between the lines", appropriate reactions and understanding of normal human behavior.

He has no real friends, and most around him probably feels sorry for him.

me
why not run your bona fides by the rest of us to show you are as impressive as dr sowell. Also clue the rest of us how you know about his personal life. L:istening to dr sowell is a real treat. Perhaps you should listen to one of his lectures

len
I am not duped by anyone. Ellison while misguided is at least civil.

jim
That music story was hilarious!!!!

wildwest
Why in the heck are you wasting your time and breath with those ridiculous posts of Me?

Quit acknowledging these idiots.

lolo
humoring idiots is a distraction. My wife is working late getting her budget in order before leaving town. but on the bright side I get the jag for six days

Forgive them
Outstanding, well-reasoned article by Mr. Sowell. So nice to hear sanity instead of racial hype. Forgive Warren Squall and CoulterHeist, they believe what they say.

warren small
and which IQ are you referring to? Science, math, reading and writing comprehension? (aka SAT, ACT)? Or an IQ test that measures mechanical ability? How about athleticism, or hand-eye coordination? Does it measure leadership, negotiating, oratory, and rehtorical abilities? How about artistic, musical, creative arts abilities? (I am not sure about spelling for rehtorical, but dont have a spell-checker right now).

If you are thinking about the book the Bell Curve, those IQ tests are viciously skewed by one's environment. The classic example is inner city kids seldom understand the word regatta, but only because it never comes up in their environment, not because they are dumb!

And as to your statistics, I'll go with Dr. Sowell's statistics in his book. At least I know they are carefully researched with sources documented.

Reply to Gofer
Gofer,

I was the proverbial liberal who was mugged and became a conservative (or, in my case a libertarian).

I share your experience of being assaulted by groups of Americans of African descent in the different black or mixed race neighborhoods where I have lived. In addition to the routine nasty remarks, I was hit by ice balls in Northwest Philadelphia. I had bottles thrown at me as I rode a bicycle to school in North Philadelphia. I had rocks thrown at me while riding a bicycle from work in Beaumont, Texas. Do you think that the sight of a bicycle was too provocative Ralph?

I had a few more near altercations, but you get the theme, right? One white guy, gang of black youths, yada, yada, yada. No man bites dog story there. And since I wasn't killed, unfortunately I can't supply Ralph Ellison with links about the stories as he always seems to demand.

Of course, if I had fallen victim to the groups of teens that attacked me, I'm sure that it would have been characterized as economic crime or been rationalized as black rage. I'll bet that Ralph Ellison even believes that we deserve to be assaulted in the present as retribution for past injustice. Those kids must make him so proud.

In spite all of my bad experiences, I still try to give everyone an even shot at earning either my respect or my disdain, regardless of their skin pigment. I even respect Ralph, despite the fact that I disagree with his politics much of the time.

Me writes

First of all, I do not forgive the term "tom".
You state that his books are unsuccessful by
"us" standards. Does this mean your standards?

Last I looked his books have been hiighly successful.Perhaps you have been spending a lot of time reading up on various mental disorders in order to assign them to anyone you do not like or agree with.

Anyone who has has the privilege to know Dr. Sowell will know that you are an idiot.

a must read
The follwoing sums up the problem of a good part of black america well. The sad thing after you finish reading is to ask how has this come about. And people like Ellison is educated are responsible in part by not supplying the leadership; instead of parroting phrases and voting the for policies that are responsible for this.


http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-09-24hm.html

Reply to Katy
I'm with you. I don't understand "Me" or his attack on the author. I know that Dr. Sowell's son is a late talker and perhaps he did overcome some early mental issues, but his writings have always seem lucid and well researched, unlike some leftist rants that I have read.

I purchased one of Dr. Sowell's books, "The Vision of the Annointed." Oddly enough, I found it in the "Black Interest" section at Barnes and Noble. That may explain some his sales problems in the USA, if what "Me" states is valid. He certainly won't sell books to his "fans" like Ralph Ellison (LOL) if his books are normally placed in that section of the stores.

Thanks alopekos teumesios
A late talker is not necessarily a sign of any disorder. I have a brother who was one. He is a respected attorney with his own large law firm.
His reason was that he had three older sisters, couldn't get a word in, and there really wasn't anything to complain about.
The large publishing houses are not about to sign conservative authors, nor are bookstores encouraged to promote them.Don't even bother. Amazon.com can usually get you what you want.

I'm not sure if I qualify, but...
Katy,

I didn't speak until well after the age of two. I was the first born child. My Mom took me to the doctor who wisely said that I would start talking when I had something to say. I'm now a research scientist at a Fortune 100 company, so I guess that it didn't have any negative impact on my life either.

alopekos teumesios
Of couse you qualify! I'm sure that you have no problem expressing yourself in your field or in your personal life. Perhaps you just do it with fewer words. If so, that is a good thing. Way too much yacking,too little doing in these days.

another a must read
This and prior link put the phoniness of the jena protest in a bigger context


http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-07-19hm.html

Raplh Ellison,
The "Half Hour News Hour" may have been cancelled, but it NEVER did go bankrupt, like Air America, which, in spite of the millions splurged by that disgrace to Hungary, (my old country) the treasoneous George Soros, DID.

Yukon Jack
"The "Half Hour News Hour" may have been cancelled, but it NEVER did go bankrupt, like Air America, which, in spite of the millions splurged by that disgrace to Hungary, (my old country) the treasoneous George Soros, DID"

Air America is still on the air. "The Half Hour News Hour" is not.

Conservatives don't do funny.

ralph
please advise where one might find the three or four stations still carrying air america. I had listened to it in both chicago and detroit while there on business. It was easy to see why it failed. Addressing issues is what drives conserv talk radio. Air america was a continual whinig and pity party, against the never ending why I hate bush backdrop. Issues can be sustained and discussed. Anger and moaning about a myriad of govt conspiracies lost it's meager audience and more importantly all it's sponsors. But if sugar daddy soros was serious about that format he has billiuons to keep it going. obviously he also knew air america was a failure

1/2 hour news hour
has not been canceled. Ralph why in the heck do you keep purporting this lie.

len
Interesting point about the bail, and I have been puzzled about that as well. I saw one account say that bail had been revoked, although that did not seem to make a lot of sense. Basically I think $90,000 would buy hm out of jail, and $900,000 would borrow him out if jail assuming he would not skip.

I am a bit puzzled as to why you think that perjury and obstruction of justice are not real crimes. The charges against Libby were supported by a jury despite the fact that the jury expresssed its sympathy for him, they could not get around the fact that there was overwhelming evidence that he had lied in situations in which that is a crime.

The DA in the case has an op-ed in today's NYTimes. I thought I might finally see someone try to defend the charge of attempted murder, since if anyone supposedly thinks it was justified it should be the man who brought it. And in a promising note he started by objecting to someone saying that if he could turn a school beating into attempted murder he should have been able to turn the nooses into a hate crime charge.

One would naturally expect this to be followed by him showing why the latter could not be done, but the former could. And he does explain why the nooses were not a hate crime. But there is not a hint of an explanation as to why he was justified in the the attempted murder charge. Instead he simply notes that that isn't the charge anymore. (And he leaves out the fact that there were consequences to the charges having been filed the way they were).

So yes I am bothered when a DA files charges which he can't defend when given a public forum to defend them. This is reprehensible when it is Nifong or when it is this guy in Jena. It is about as different as can be from Fitzgerald who had no difficulty explaining why he brought the charges he did.

Ralph Ellison wrote...
"The Invisible Man" a penetrating look into the lives of Blacks in the early 20th century. To truly begin to understand much of what is happening today it helps to read history and try to understand what happened in the far and near yesterday, and how it lead into the here and now.
We all 'talk the talk,' I wonder how good we would've been at 'walking the walk' as descendants of slaves during the 'Black dark ages in America?'

Lolo1

wildwest
Just for you. And conservaitve radio is much better????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Air_America_Radio_affiliates

Jena 6
For a fact based report in depth go to

sovereignjim.squarestance.com



Black Knight
Maybe it is time you pulled yourself from the 1950's and actually opened your eyes to reality. You say nothing has changed. How many colleges are blacks barred from attending just because of their skin color? What types of jobs are blacks prevented from getting just because of their skin color? I see lots of prosperous blacks today. They either got a college education (with assistance from the government) and/or worked hard and became a self-made man. One thing did change from the 1950's though. Black families stuck together and black men had a greater sense of responsibility for the children they cause to be brought into the world.

Ignorance is bliss
Loyal Dem you show your ignorance with the statement "Racism is as rampant now as it was in the days of the slave holding south." What a load of horse manure! If you are so beholding to that state of mind there isn't any way to even reason with you. How many men of color ran for President when slavery was legal? There are two in the race now. Your statement is as stupid as racism it's self.

SD Marine
Loyal Democrat is our resident satirist. It's all tongue in cheek. He gets everyone the first time around because he's so spot on. I registered to comment just to respond to him. Now I just get a laugh at how good he is.

Jena 6
If a group of 6 white kids stomped an unconscious white kid would they be charged? Yes.

If a group of 6 black kids stomped an unconscious black kid would they be charged? Yes.

If a group of 6 white kids stomped an unconscious black kid would they be charged? Absolutely. They might also face a civil rights charge and soon they might be charged with a hate crime.

Why is it okay for 6 black kids to stomp an unconscious white kid?

Jena 6
I really don't know why I am writing this post. You have all made up your minds.

If you think hanging a noose from a tree is an innocent joke you are wrong.

If it was a joke, it was not funny. It amazes me how as Americans the part of our history that is unpleasant is brushed under the rug. In America Black men were lynched and no one did anything about it.

Should the young men be punished yes as juveniles.


TN Democrat
The students who put the nooses on the tree in September 2006, violated no statute. In the name of free speech, Americans are asked to endure flag burning, malicious personal verbal attacks and offensive "art" such as crosses in urine. The boys were suspended from school and as a stupid jesture, the tree was cut down.

Regarding the beating in December 2006, in the 40 depositions collected by the police, none mentioned the tree or the nooses. Neither he nooses nor the tree were a factor in the assault until the race pimps arrived on scene and put together their "story."

You cannot justify this savagery nor can you equate a stupid prank with an act of severe physical violence.
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