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Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Random Thoughts
by Thomas Sowell
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Random thoughts on the passing scene:

A sense of logic underlies a sense of humor. The same professor who wrote the first treatise on symbolic logic also wrote "Alice in Wonderland."

"A good catchword can obscure analysis for fifty years," said Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. If so, then we may be hearing about "diversity," "social justice" and "a living wage" for many years to come.

Bill Clinton's attack on President Bush's commuting of Scooter Libby's prison sentence qualifies Clinton for the Guinness Book of World Records in chutzpa.

Whenever I hear terrorists referred to in the media as "militants," it is a painful reminder that we have degenerated to the point where we no longer even have the courage to talk straight.

Does anybody seriously believe that "hate speech" prohibitions will be applied to Muslims demonizing Jews, to blacks demonizing whites, or to women demonizing men?

Before we panic about "global warming," we should take a look at six-day weather forecasts and see how much they change during those six days -- quite aside from how much they differ from what the weather actually turns out to be.

If Lou Gehrig were not so well known for his consecutive games played and the disease that cut short his life, more people might remember him as one of the greatest hitters of all time. His lifetime batting average and lifetime slugging average are both higher than those of anyone who has played since 1960.

Few things are more scary than the number of people who rely on talking points, instead of weighing serious issues in a serious way.

Wisdom and cleverness are very different things. My nominations for the three wisest presidents would be Washington, Lincoln, and Reagan. For the three cleverest -- FDR, Nixon and Clinton.

Has anyone actually seen Rachael Ray measure out the ingredients she puts into her cooking, instead of using a pinch of this and a handful of that?

The same people who think it was wonderful that the Warren Court forbad government to assign children to schools on the basis of race think it is terrible that the current Supreme Court has recently stopped local governments from assigning children to schools on the basis of race.

In politics, there are few skills more richly rewarded than the ability to misstate issues in a way that will sound plausible and attractive.

Most of the time, I don't feel any different from the way I felt when I was 50 years younger. But that doesn't mean that I can actually do whatever I did when I was 50 years younger.

"Nations are like men in that they prefer a fuss made in their behalf to real services rendered." Although de Tocqueville said this back in the 19th century, it may help explain why the black vote today is so overwhelmingly for the Democrats, when Democrats have done so little good for blacks and so much harm.

In contrast with today's senators who try to get every Supreme Court nominee to pledge allegiance to Roe v. Wade, when Abraham Lincoln was considering nominees to that court, he said, "we cannot ask a man what he will do, and if we should, and he should answer us, we should despise him for it."

If the Democrats' presidential and vice-presidential candidates next year are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, most of the mainstream media will just gush at the image and the rhetoric of a woman and a minority -- and specific issues and track records will fade into the background.

A month doesn't go by without several offers to lend me money arriving in the mail. Where were these people when I was broke?

Many people who have never held a firearm in their hands are nevertheless convinced that the police fired too many shots in a confrontation with a criminal.

Many people who have never run one business for one day are nevertheless confident that they know corporate CEOs are not worth as much as they are paid.

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Here's a catchword:
"psychoterrorapist"

Credit Pasadena Phil.


Excellent once again, Dr. Sowell.

Dr. Sowell
Always look forward to your random thoughts! Of the list I think my favorite is...

"Few things are more scary than the number of people who rely on talking points, instead of weighing serious issues in a serious way."

What is more scary, some of these same people make laws to govern the rest of us.

Dr. Sowell
Very entertaining,I especially like

"Nations are like men in that they prefer a fuss made in their behalf to real services rendered." Although de Tocqueville said this back in the 19th century, it may help explain why the black vote today is so overwhelmingly for the Democrats, when Democrats have done so little good for blacks and so much harm."

This is exactly why the donkeys and rinos backed the recently failed immigration bill.It's all about the vote not real services rendered as you pointed out.


booboolane
Mr. Sowell did not talk about global warming, he
merely stated, 'we should not panic'
You are one of the type of people he was talking
about.
On global warming: there is no way to measure the
temperature of the earth.
It is warmer & and has been getting warmer for
millions of years.
There was 300ft of ice in death valley millions
of years ago. It didn't melt in the last 50yrs.
People need to use what ever common sense god has
given them,--sadly many hear something & take it
as a fact with learning by them selves..

random thoughts
Hey YouRepugsMakeMeLaugh : Keep coming back. You're in the right place. I daresay that if you read Dr. Sowell's columns for a solid year, something magical will happen: Your brain will begin working at a high level. You will develop critical thinking abilities you never thought you'd possess.

Most people get it sooner, but I'm prescribing one year because you seem like your gray cells are a little moldy. Enjoy the ride.

Laugher
I agree it is strange to find opinions so blatantly written in an opinion piece. Shocking how he would dare do that when he is being paid to share his opinion.

If you would like to see Dr. Sowell discuss facts, I recommend you read Basic Economics.

De-randomization
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On the matter of "talking points," bear in mind that the average voter - who is best defined as a person smart enough to fumble his way to a polling place but stupid enough to believe that voting for either a DemaGOP or a Republicrat is going to make any real difference - cannot retain anything more complex or meaningful than a thoroughly dumbed-down "talking point."

As for wisdom in the White House, scratch Lincoln ("The American Lenin" - see http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo124.html among many, many, other sources that raise the gorge and elevate the blood pressure of writhing Republicrats) and substitute Cleveland, especially in his second administration, during which he rescued the nation from the consequences of rampant Republicrat debauchment of the currency.

Jeez, you wouldn't think that an *economist* would've missed that one, wouldja?
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Such ignorance deserves our pity
YouRepugsMakeMeLaugh writes: Tuesday, July, 10, 2007 5:59 AM
Should be "rambling thoughts"
Just the same fact-less "opinion" ramblings, playing for your ever diminishing crowd.

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I will pray for you my son!


Short Attention Span Theatre
"Few things are more scary than the number of people who rely on talking points, instead of weighing serious issues in a serious way. "

This is what the old Saturday Night Live called Short Attention Span Theatre -- the inability of people (or unwillingness in some cases) to focus on anything for more than sixteen seconds at a time. Personally I think we have completely lost the ability to "be still and know." Two examples leap to mind -- poor little Paris Hilton, deprived of all her electronic binkies and her audience, told to sit on her bed, fold her hands and be quiet, erupted into convulsive hysteria...and the 18 year old Royal Marine who bawled at the loss of his electronic binkie much more loudly than he did at the fact that he was captured by people who routinely behead people -- because now he would have to be alone with his own thoughts. In both cases these children (mentally if no other way) were terrified of being left alone to be still and know, because they had never learned to live without the sustained roar of input from constantly changing voices.

People who have hundreds of incoming channels of chatter, huffing and grunting, racket and distraction never learn how to bear inward or simply "wait upon the Lord". And if the guy on the next bar stool can't get through to you with his query as to your Sign, how can you expect that God will get through to you with that still small voice of compassion, guidance and support?

People have developed short attention spans and bumper sticker/talking points minds because of the sheer overpowering input from all their electronic binkies. Call it a defence mechanism if you like; but notice how this inability to function without the electronic binkie is now being called "ADD" and treated as a disease.

Of course, it suits the purposes of those who are In Charge, to have the masses so overwhelmed by incoming noise that they are unable to take any time to sit quietly and think about what their Masters are doing.


YRMML
You are right about the ever-diminishing crowd. People who critically think and understand the seriousness of relinquishing US/western sovereignty are breeding less for fear of bringing children into this world. That's why I had one child and provide foster care instead of having more.

Sorry about your less than satisfactory relationship with your father (probably both parents). At least they have financial means they are willing to share with you. It leaves you wide open to be easily lead by words and abstract concepts that make you feel good. That's what counts- feeling good and superior, not the well being of the planet or anyone else, those are just convenient weapons to fortify self-righteousness.

Sowell hits the point...
...yet again.

"Bill Clinton's attack on President Bush's commuting of Scooter Libby's prison sentence qualifies Clinton for the Guinness Book of World Records in chutzpa."

Reply: Absolutely. At least President Bush did it in office and where he put himself front and center to face the criticism that inevitably followed. Billy did it as he was closing the door behind it and slipping off to Harlem and his greatest admirers.

If it weren't for the Lewinsky fiasco, one would wonder if Clinton had any testosterone in the tank at all. And, now, he and Jimmy Carter criticize for a living.

Nice work, if you can get people to pay you for it! And ex-Presidents obviously can.

Cheers,

Ron Albright

http://www.ronalbright.com

Random Thoughts
Well done,some nice points. Bill D.

a treasure
I've been reading Dr. Sowell's books and columns for quite some time and they just keep getting better. Today's installment shows us yet again that it is possible to get older & wiser without sinking into crochetyness ("Things were so much better in the old days.") INTO WHICH CATEGORY TOO MANY BLOGGERS DO NOT FALL.

AudiR10, you provide a happy exception to the high general level of invective and awfulizing on the blogosphere. Please keep up, like Dr. Sowell, your incisive observations leavened by dry wit, without careening off into tantrums or sanctimony.

regular posters
there seems to be a small minority of posters who never seem to agree with anything the authors of commentary carried on TownHall have relate. is there really a legitimate reason for these souls to continuously torture themselves by hanging around this website?
professionally paid internet monitor sperhaps?
anyway, I have but one slight disagreement with the author; I would never include Lincoln on the lists of "greatest Presidents". I shall always find it inexcusable that Lincoln thrust this nation into a civil war which costs so much in lives and devastation of our own, and in so doing, set about the rise of a dangerously strong and elevated central government, the very thing the Founding Fathers feared so much.

Facts and History
You will quickly notice all those leftist that question Dr Sowell's thoughts , never deal with his "facts"found in all his books and his paid for thoughts .Yet those same leftist don't look at the famed NY Times as the paid for arm or tool of the left ?
Theirs is a world of theory , relativism , welfare works when it doesn't , socialism all rapped in honor our enemy and the truth is matter less or past histories are no more than lies on Bush (The Clinton and Liberal library of lies ."Spin "Dr's like on Global warming and trust the enemy which is insane ...again where is the reality to all that junk ?
Yet those same leftist never "deal' or mention truth or that reality ..or God fore--bid "results"and what will be the outcome of changing America to be like a crumbling Europe where Socialism is the none working model .
Silly me ! Yeah Right !

WE THINK ALIKE
DR. SOWELL AS USUAL YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WHY HAVE WE AS BLACKS FAILED TO SEE THAT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY HAS LIED AND BAMBOOZLED BLACKS AND YET THEIR VOTE IS OVERWHELMINGLY FOR THEM. IS IT THAT WE HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THEY DO US A FAVOR WHEN THEY KEEP WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS COMING? DO WE BELIEVE THAT THEIR TOKEN BLACKS IN THE ADMINISTRATION, ie. RON BROWN, SHOW THEY BELIEVE IN DIVERSITY? IF A MAN BREAKS INTO OUR HOME WE WILL SHOOT TO PROTECT OURSELVES, BUT WHEN OUR FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT (BILLARY) VOTES TO TAX SSI WE LAUD HIM AS THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. I JUST WISH FOR ONCE PEOPLE WOULD REALLY CONSIDER WHAT IF ANYTHING EXCEPT PUSH HELPLESSNESS AND GOVERNMENT DEPENDENCY THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE FOR BLACKS.
DR. SOWELL KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.

Regarding past presidents......
it is difficult to decide which of the two worst ones, ie. Clinton or Carter, was indeed the "winner" of the title!
It has to be "slick Willy". He did the most damage to the country by desencitizing many to true morality. He was, most probably, the most amoral to immoral character to ever occupy the White House.
Shame, shame and shame on Americans who put him there twice!!!!

Another good one
Few things are more scary than the number of people who rely on talking points, instead of weighing serious issues in a serious way.

I am waiting for HalD to show up, Dr. Sowell had to write that just for him.

charlie - wrong on Lincoln
The Civil War was hardly one of choice, as far as Lincoln was concerned. The secession made war inevitable. Had the states retained their seats in Congress rather than stomping out in protest, they could have blocked any attempt at ending slavery legislatively almost indefinitely. Lincoln campainged on keeping slavery out of the territories, not on emancipation. The South still had enough congressional seats to stymie legislation. By walking out they created a crisis Lincoln could not ignore. He may have been able to negotiate a return until they fired on Fort Sumter.

Booboolane
He was doing ok until he got to global warming! tell me these people arent a cult.

Reply to Charlie who said:
"I have but one slight disagreement with the author; I would never include Lincoln on the lists of "greatest Presidents". I shall always find it inexcusable that Lincoln thrust this nation into a civil war which costs so much in lives and devastation of our own..."

Charlie, I don't believe it was entirely Lincoln's failures that thrust us into the war. It was one of those cosmic alignments of events - the death of the three great senators (Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, and John Calhoun) who had - though constantly at odds - kept the country from flying apart much earlier. They all died within 2 years of each other 1850-1852. Then Zachery Taylor who, as President, asserted (and more importantly, was believed in the South) he would personally lead an Army against the successionists and, with the threat, kept them at bay until he, too, died in office in 1852. We had, tragically enough, what lay at the cause of so many violent eruptions in American history: a vacuum of leadership. And, into this vacuum, Lincoln was thrust.

Diplomacy COULD have averted the disaster had the right men been available. But they weren't. And, so it was. Lincoln was not a bad President; he was a President in bad times.

Cheers,

Ron Albright

http://www.ronalbright.com

Where to begin
Great "Random Thoughts" Mr. Sowell.

Among the best was your thought regarding talking points. No one answers questions anymore in the political arena. These people could be asked about their favorite color, and still they go right into the talking points like they never heard the question. It drives me nuts on Fox News and CNN when their Dem and Repub strategists are actually supposed to debate an issue. Among the guiltiest is that Jane Fleming that shows up on FOX every now and again. Never answers a question without filibustering on the Dem talking points! There are Repubs that are just as bad.

Mr. Sowell's wisest commentary? Lou Gehrig. Definitely Gehrig. Ruth would probably have never hit the HR's he did without Gehrig behind him. He was an excellent athlete all around. His Slugging Avg. was ridiculous!

Dr. Sowell vs. Julian Bond
In a recent post, Julian Bond was noted as saying;"Katrina, like lynching, not only destroyed the work of generations in a single day, but is resulting in a DELIBERATE effort to dispossess black landholders." AND this about the recent SC decision; "The Bush Court removed black children from the law's protection."

This type of rhetoric has gained great traction in academic circles [reminds me of the madrassah system in the Middle East] and so, Dr. Sowell's perspective on life and race relations is more than refreshing...it is courageous.

Need a book, Audi R10
Dr. Sowell,

Please publish a book that is a compendium of your random thoughts over the years. I enjoy all of your columns and especially look forward to them when I see the Random Thoughts heading.

Audi R10 - very incisive comments about the electronic binkies. When I spend an evening now with my best friend, he checks his cell phone and Blackberry every 15 minutes or so. If I get up from the table he's text messaging when I return. I may have to say something, but it almost seems to be the norm now. Your comments turned on a little light bulb.

Dr. S said;
"Does anybody seriously believe that "hate speech" prohibitions will be applied to Muslims demonizing Jews, to blacks demonizing whites, or to women demonizing men?"

Or to athiests demonizing Christians? Or to homosexuals demonizing Christians? Or to stupid liberals for demonizing everyone they disagree with?

Lincoln
I fault Lincoln because he was in the position to have averted war wihtin our nation. you can talk about the previous compromises that had prevented war earlier in our history, and I assert that opportunity of compromise yet existed. The north was not united upon a course of war with their felow citizens of the southern states. The south did not rally to "the cause", defense, until the north attacked the territory of a southern state. Lincoln brought on the Ft Summter tragedy by sending it reinforcements which forced South Carolina's hand. No, Lincon was not a President who was the victim of bad circumstances, nor did he lack the power to avert warfare, rather he conspired to force the issue. Based upon legal Constitutional standing of that time, the several states in the union had the rights they ended up fighting for. Slavery would have died a much more peaceful death within two decades, perhaps one.
The 14th amendment, illegally enshrined into our Constitution, made the mess of a national government we are saddled with today and the numerous missteps it has made along its path to dominance and power. Lincoln is responsible for this; with his "reign" ended what had been the United STATES of America from our founding to that time.

jimbo
Good additions to Dr. Sowell's hate speech thought. The double standards across the spectrum are astounding anymore. The whole hate speech thing applies to Dr. Sowell's other thought about talking points! It's just another tactic designed to stifle debate on ONE SIDE of a given issue.

booboowriter, laughingstock, & lostguy
I am always amused how frightened you leftie moonbats are of the great thinkers of our age, such as Doctor Sowell.

Another gem, Dr. Sowell
AudiR10, very good incite into the continuation of the proliference of noise and the resulting ADD/ADHD (which while previlent, is way over diagnosed IMHO). I think that it may be a government plot to medicate everyone on their "approved" drugs while still vilifying marijuana with the same bogus "facts" used in "Reefer Madness".

AudiR10
I just love the term "electronic binkie." How true!

audiR
Wonderful post! As usual, your insights, and the way you write them, are priceless. The nail head has been hit!

Dr Sowell
A column chock full of golden nuggets.
5 checks!

Another great column
Full of gems, but this one made me smile
"Most of the time, I don't feel any different from the way I felt when I was 50 years younger. But that doesn't mean that I can actually do whatever I did when I was 50 years younger."
Being approximately the sme age as the good doc, he is right, I don't really feel different inside, but oh those joints with their aches and pains!


good news: labor bill went down
Hopefully something that all righteous people can agree upon.

I found out not from TH who has been mysteriously quiet about this,


But using yahoo I found out taht REPUBLICANS in the sentate BLOCKED the labor bill.

IF TH were a serious news source, they would proclaim this as a victory loudly and mabe even repeatedly,

but apparently they are more intersted in other bills. The differential in the interest is roughly 1000-1. TH is going to have to do a better job of ofcussing on MANY bills, not just ones that are divisive, and can cast certain people in bad light, or so they think

anyway here is the story from YAHOO of all places

It was a clsoe vote 51-48,

ALl of the republicans that came through here, I hope will gain some respect, THey certainly have in my eyes

good job guys.

and good job on Fred THompson and Mitch MCconnel calling attention to it in TH.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070626/ap_on_go_co/senate_unions_22

Lincoln
Charlie the first seven states seceded between the election and Lincoln's innauguration. How was he supposed to constitutionally compromise with that? Lincoln purposely sent supplies rather than troops to Fort Sumter to avoid provoking the South. The rest of the Federal property in the secessionist states had already been illegally siezed. Let's not forget who shot at who first.


A note
You get more offers from people to loan you money when you are broke. I would think as an economist Sowell would understand that. But I suppose that requires wondering about how the economy affects the poor.

example of a sincere compliment
Good job, Sowell, I like the column a lot.

I aprticualrly like your selection of the top 3 wisest presidents, I pretty much agree with that.

But I would George W Bush very close to that elite group , very close,

He has faced a media unlike that of the other 3.

What he has faced has been unprecedented, and I think that should factor into an evaluation.


reply to Bob...re: Books
Bob, Dr. Sowell has two compendia of his random thoughts (and essays) from the 1990s. They are:

1. Barbarians INSIDE the Gates (1998)

2. Controversial Essays (2002)

Both are available from the Hoover Institute or Amazon.

Good luck and happy reading!

Ron Albright

http://www.ronalbright.com

ramdom pablum
More of the same pablum from Sowell. He ignores the equally inane catch phrases from the right that are as meaningless as the ones he mentions for the left.

"Comprehensive immigration reform" - make it un-passable so big business can continue to benefit from the lack of law enforcement.

"no child left behind" - excuse for taking away local control and funding big business to waste our money on ineffective education programs.

"your with us or your against us" - unless your China (our communist, Iran investing banking partner who manufactures everything anyone wants these days), Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.

war on terror - a politically correct police action that is not working in Iraq while the enemy attacks our allies worldwide.

and my favorite "government of the rule of law" - has become a cover for the reality that we have become a "government of the rule of men" This is evidenced by pardons by this last bunch of presidents, open borders, selective immigration enforcement, corporate welfare, etc.

Sowell fiddles while Washington burns.


wow, some posts are critical....
of one American voicing his opinion/views! And from the looks of those criticizing Dr. Sowell, I'd say they are the typical lefty lunatics that more often vote for traiterous dems and who hate when someone with a modecum of intelligence actually enjoys his Constitutionally guaranteed freedom to make his views known. Such people, and I'll name at least one on this forum-booboobrainless, are so unpatriotic and anti-American that they are dividing this country for personal glory. They are the enemy within. But, of course, that's JUST my OPINION! And, frankly, I don't give a rat's you-know-what who likes that and who doesn't.

Btw, Dr. Sowell, I don't measure out much when I cook either, except when I am baking. Ya gotta measure out stuff for baking but cooking-nah! :P Other than that, GREAT article, Dr. Sowell. Kudos to you for having the courage to speak up!

moder
"
"your with us or your against us""

You might want to take back your dismisall of this one as a caatch phrase

Jesus Christ said that

"he who is not with me is against me" (Luke 23:11).


lori
I criticize Sowell like constantly, and I voted for George W Bush twice, and I have never voted for a democrat ever, not once/

Who can ....
not appreciate the wisdom of Dr. Sowell? Oh yes. The wiser ones.

modernone
I guess you would prefer that our schools continued with "social promotions" and graduate children who can't even read.

...and you would prefer an immigration bill that doesn't include border enforcement.

...when the Chinese start blowing up our buildings and airplanes we will add them to the "terrorist list".

Answer one question for me...as a liberal, if you don't believe the "rule of law" is derived from "men" are you saying you believe they are derived from God?

The economy?
C'mon Lon. Chastising one of the greatest living economists because he doesn't understand how the economy affects the poor? This is just a nonsensical non sequitur.

Sowell knows full well that once someone starts buying things like cars and houses, credit card companies start sending the junk mail. It's a rhetorical turn of phrase for Pete's sake!

My daughter rarely got a single piece of CC solicitation until she bought her first house. Even now the credit lines on those cards are under $1000. Why? BECAUSE SHE IS POOR! My wife and I, being in our 50s and having bought 6 houses so far, get credit card solicitations every day with guaranteed credit lines of up to $50K. Why? BECAUSE WE ARE NOT POOR!

If you think that the poor get more credit card solicitations than the well off, you are in serious need of economic edumikation my friend.

mind?, er, none and Blandy
Seems we have a couple more laughably threatened by deep, real thinking.

Random Thoughts for The Pentagon
Honorable Robert Gates Date: 10 July 2007
Secretary of Defense
A RANDOM PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE QUESTION
Since psychological-warfare was first used it has become an important factor for achieving victory. It is also the most economical way to wage war. Waging War and being victorious is The US Department of Defense’s only job. The ‘War-on-Terror’ that we have titled is not psychological. The enemy has correctly named it for us. They have named it “Holy-War’. The name has both focus and psychological passion to enlist low-cost recruits and global funding. I will state unequivocally it proves unending funding, thus insuring unending war. The United States is weakened with giving the enemy that weapon of advantage...unless.
We must use the enemy’s weapon of Psychological-Warfare. To do it we must understand it. Let us understand that no-matter the tribal secular Arab/Persian fractions, the central adhesive element is allegiance to Allah as taught by the new edict of Islamic World Destiny.
Muslims are trapped by contradictions of humanitarian and despicable acts in Wahabbi Koranic interpretation. Since there is no pure Islamic state, the whole world must be Dar ul-Kufr (The Land of Unbelief). Since Islam must declare war on unbelief, they have declared war upon the whole world. No peace-loving Muslim is allowed to decide. It hasn’t solved the centuries-old madness afflicting Arab-Persian tribal illiteracy of reason. The most revered Muslim scholars living today can not undo the contradictions; they are cherry-picked and tutored with exclusive reference. It is beyond their power. The power is entrenched in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia whose two cities of Medina and Mecca order a penalty to all found there that are not Muslim. The penalty is...death. All Muslims living worldwide are required to pray toward Mecca. Or...be condemned by Koranic demands and blackmailed into silent submission through Fatwa fear. Suicide becomes proof of ones allegiance. No Muslim in Iraq can deny it. They are indelibly psychologically bound.
One sentence spoken at any tribal meeting with military coalition forces in Afghanistan or Iraq, indeed in any Islamic forum in which we debate, must begin our Psychological-warfare counterattack. Listen carefully.
In every meeting with local tribal leaders (not to include Imams) the spiritual-sanctuary sought by Muslims is required to be paramount. Allah is repeated with reverence and tribal leaders pray for our understanding of Mohammad as the Prophet. The US Military are ordered not to address religious debate due to our subliminal dilemma regarding ‘Separation of Church and State”. We are therefore and forever unarmed in the Holy-War.
Solution: Use their weapon. When an opening occurs in the dialog where a Muslim leader references Allah, and they surely will, the military spokesman will simply say “Allah is our God as well”. Then wait...wait.
This is the pregnant moment of truth and incidentally the Beginning of psychological counterattack. Two things will happen. The alarm will ring in the mind as “blasphemy” accompanied with angry shouts, and or with incredulous curiosity; hearing this outrageous claim from an American Caucasian or Officer of Color. Saying nothing will invoke demands of explanation. They have some knowledge of Abrahamic commonality with Jews, Christians then Muslims, however are silenced by habit and fear over many years of exclusivity demanded by their clerics. Wait...wait.
With no outward emotion other than a blasé statement of fact, simply acknowledge that Allah is the One God of Abraham. And as such is the ‘Same God of Christians and Jews’. These words have never been allowed by the US military in their presence, for fear of provoking mayhem and back sliding within the Arab Street. Wait...wait. They will become excitedly confused, speaking over each other, and without the Imam to take over, try to explain why the Prophet said it differently. Wait...wait.
Make no continuance of speaking in debate or body-language other than your calm acceptance of the words you spoke. Any neighborhood subject will not be seriously broached since the egg has been laid.
Again...make no effort to enter or continue an argument or debate.
The arguments and debates will be among the Arab/Persian tribal elders and leaders of all ages long after the meeting. You can be sure Imams and Mullahs will try to assuage the Muslim mind back to the disciplines enshrined, however we have begun the long and patient road to sanity in an insane world. From that moment on that village or neighborhood will never be the same. The debate will provoke more argument. And when that happens, truth will slip through. It will eventually touch the candidate for suicide, once the cat is out of the bag.
No military Commander or any rank in the Coalition force will be without this One God of Abraham comment, calmly stated with the eyes of reason looking upon the liberated. Indeed no service person of any rank should be without this weapon stated, then simply walk away to allow the incubation to proceed.
Holy-War... we can use it or lose it.
Jordan Alexander Orosz, The Old Sailor, San Diego Ca

My how things have changed
I was particularly impressed by the quote
"when Abraham Lincoln was considering nominees to that court, he said, "we cannot ask a man what he will do, and if we should, and he should answer us, we should despise him for it.""
Point being if a judge takes a position on anything but a specific case they are not worthy of the position! Right on!

Debt and lending
Lenders do not discriminate

They extend GREATER lines of credit to the wealthy, and often at lower interst rates. and smaller lines of credit to the poor, often at higher interste rates,

but they like getting all types people indebted to them,

mabe in Sowell's time lenders laid off the poor, but not today.

I have heard stories in Sowell's time of loansharks, and shilox, and off the books lending, which still exist today, and they dont discriminate between rich and poor.

It appears Sowell wisely avoided them


Five checks as usual Dr. Sowell
What a pleasant, entertaining, and enlightening way to begin my day.

Thank you, sir.

zeb hardy
One catchword has been effective, though mis-applied: 'Hispanic' does not apply to Mestizoic persons.

booboolane?... boobooLANE?...BOOBOOLANE!
It is ridiculous for one who calls themselves "booboolane" to disparage the brilliance of one called Dr. Sowell.

Huh???
WTF are "Mestizoic" persons???

To Bruzazki
Your knowledge of the causes of the civil war is decidedly lacking. Slavery, although probably the leading cause, is not the ONLY cause of the war. And it wasn't the fact that they could have used the numbers that they had to stymie legislation that was the issue. The leading Southerners knew that. Let's look at the major issues.

First, the elephant in the living room, slavery: The Southern economy in 1861 was almost totally dependent on slavery. Not largely, not significantly, but totally. The big plantations basically were the economy. They were mostly self-sufficient in making their own goods and initially were growing their own food (until the advent of king cotton). The imported directly from overseas or the North manufactured goods that were needed. There was very little in the way of local commerce and middle class. What there was was tied into the large plantation (or small farms) in servicing the agricultural economy that used slaves. Furthermore, at this period of time in history scientific farming was in it's infant stages. There was no Coker Pedigreed Seed company nor a large petroleum based fertilizer industry. After a number of years of growing crops like cotton, which was the chief cash crop, the soil would become depleted. So the common habit at the time was to move to different fields and allow the deplete fields to lie fallow for a few years. When you could no longer do on your farm, you either abandoned farming and took up other methods of earning money on your plantation, or you sold the farm and moved West to new territory. Until the ruling in the Dread Scott case States below 36º 30' were allowed to be slave holding. Once Texas was reached the only thing further West was largely desert and not suitable for large scale farming at this latitude. The "other" method of earning money on a plantation other than farming a cash crop like cotton was the odious practice of breeding and selling the slaves themselves. Also, with the continued expansion of non-slaveholding States, the South was rapidly losing any influence in Congress. The South could see that handwriting on the wall that with an every expanding North and a frozen South they would eventually loose anyway.

In the years leading up to 1861 the abolitionists had become more and more vocal. Some had even took up arms in insurrection and attempted to take federal arms to arm the slaves with (John Brown). The South did not see the Northern States making much of an effort to curtail the activities of the abolitionists. One other major sticking points was the "underground railroad" in which Northern abolitionists would assist runaway slaves in moving North. The Northern States were obligated by the Constitution and current law to return the slaves. Most didn't.

The second major issue was the difference in economies between the North and South. The North had become largely a manufacturing economy while the South was almost totally agricultural. The North had a higher voting population and were able to get confisticatory tariffs on manufactured good passed. Even before the issue of slavery became pressing this almost resulted in cessation. South Carolina dubbed these the “tariffs of abomination” and declared that the States had the right to determine whether or not a law was unconstitutional. This had been done before in Kentucky, Virginia, and New England and was labeled “nullification”. Under the theory of nullification a State could render a Federal law “null and void” by declaring it unconstitutional. Recall that the constitution itself is silent on this subject. The Supreme Court’s assumption of this power was solely based on the opinion of John Marshall. South Carolina declared the tariff null and void and refused to collect it. (At the time South Carolina was the richest State in the union and paid 3/4 of the federal taxes.) Of course to Andrew Jackson this could not stand, especially since it was his own Vice president who was the author of the Nullification Theory. He threatened military action against SC. None of the other States came to the defense of SC, so they backed down. Jackson and the congress reduced the tariffs and SC stopped nullification. War was averted for the time being.

Following the election of Abraham Lincoln on an anti-slavery platform the South saw little hope for remaining in the union. They were losing influence in congress. The North was not adhering to the contract of the Constitution and the abolitionists were attempting to arm the slaves. The South could see the complete collapse of it’s economy within a few decades. This would have been the same thing economically as the South telling the North in the 1950s that it had to shutdown all of the auto factories, steel mills, and coal mines because pollution was bad for the country.

The Peace Conference of 1861 was the last chance to avert secession and war. When the South could not get assurances what they needed (the outcome was defeated in the Senate and was never presented to the House) war was inevitable.

And finally, you make a lot out of the South firing on Fort Sumter. This fort was located in SC. If any of our politicians ever got up the nerve to get out of the UN and we left and told them to get out of the country and they refused. What do you think we would do if they didn’t leave and an outside country attempted to bring them arms and supplies?

doyle
assuming you are for real, whcih is far from a safe assumption on TH

its a divisive term, used to create division within hispanic/latin communisites.

Beware of thsoe that use it, usually their intention is to stir up discord.


OF course discord is not ALWAYS a bad thing, but much of the time it is.

Bruzazki - - - - 8:10 AM



Serious historians know that the secession was not over slavery. It was over a 47% import-export tax imposed on them by Washington.

The south lived or died on export and also had a heavy import. The industrialized north wanted them to sell and buy from/to the north. That was economically disadvantageous to the southern agricultural states.

That my friend is the truth and not what your teachers taught you. Slavery would have ended within 30 to 40 years in any case. Machinery just arriving on the scene, industrialization, would soon doom slavery, just as it did in Brazil and other countries.

The war was never over slavery, but Lincoln made that an issue when he smelled victory.



onceamarine
Your post at 1157 was exactly right. I'm reading "On War and Leadership" and many Southern leaders, including Stonewall Jackson outright state in letters that it was not about slavery, that it was about economics. Indeed, they were predicting that the South was going to get away from slavery anyway as you stated.

laughs at gunnyg and oncea
one of many the BS entourages patrolling th

the economics of slavery
is one of the things it was about.

Everything relates directly and indirectly to slavery,

Bruzazki - - - - 8:10 AM


Lincoln needed a good if not a moral excuse for the war he had waged against the southern states. While it is true that the north reacted to the shelling of Fort Sumter, Lincoln could have taken different action. Imagine that some of our weak kneed todays demo politicians had been in the White House. Or simply he had been more of a pacifist or political person. He could have taken different actions.

As it was, the war was very unpopular in the north. It caused the death and crippling and destruction of far too much of the country. The Confederate States of America was devastated. The north used a slash and burn policy and this continued even after the war ended. The cost in human lives of both the dead and the maimed was enormous. The economic loses were staggering. It took close to 100 years for the south to recover which was a loss to the north as well.


You can blame the south if you wish. That is the way the winner north has played it. But don't be so sure it was the south that was at fault. And keep slavery to one side. It was not the cause and would have simply slipped off into history if not for Washington's decision to fight.



to all of booboo's good friends
Panic is exactly what we are doing and it will cause all kinds of mistakes. We need to take a reasoned scientific approach after all cyclic warming and cooling has been going on for millions of years. Three questions: Is additional C02 a cause or an effect? What is a normal c02 level in the atmosphere? What percentage is generated artificially?

you know
I’m one of the people who regularly criticize Sowell. This is a great venue for testing the strength of my opinions. Also, my comments provide a good opportunity for readers to consider in specific terms why they agree with Sowell. As for this particular column, disagreeable as I am, I still chuckled at some of the musings.

Good posts about the war. You can find the thin edge of the wedge just after the constitution was adopted. The south had no choice but to secede or become some type of vassal states. In some ways, it is a testament to Lincoln that he succeeded in defeating the Confederacy. The South had little chance of winning a prolonged war, but as we see in today’s conflict, there’s more than just combat involved in waging war.

to onceamarine
My understanding of history is that Slavery was ONE of the main problems discussed since before the constitution.
We would never have had a United States at all had they argued about it then. Secession was the MAIN reason for the war but why did the south declare a confederacy? Certainly slavery was an issue!

Great point about Lou Gehrig
I can only add to it, that if Gehrig had played in Philadelphia, no one would have known who he was at all, regardless of disease or stats.

We Phillies fans get no break. I loved hearing Red Sox and Cubs fans whine about how they haven't been in the World Series for years. Try being a fan of the losingest sports franchise in any of the major sports. That's right--not just baseball, but compare with clubs of comparable age in football, basketball or hockey. The Phillies have been part of the National League since its founding, and they are approaching the 10,000 loss mark.

So remember Lou, for his prowess as a player, and as a real gentleman, and be glad he wasn't a Phil. Heck, they'd have traded him.

Hillary delenda est.

Comparison
Thomas Sowell’s Disjointed Rambling is STILL far more lucid than all The Liberal Poachers COMBINED!

booboolane
You very funny. Conservatives as a group are skeptical of the wild claims of the global warmists. We need more evidence. Evidence is virtually impossible to get on this scale. You blindly follow the ramblings of a wannabe king and accuse us of not thinking for ourselves? Hilarious. I guess your definition of thinking for yourself is different than mine. Mine involves using my brain and not someone elses.

A good catchword

to describe Bill Clinton's attack on President Bush's commuting Scooter Libby's prison sentence is Chutzpocrisy

Forrest
Thanks, I think, somewhat??? I am for real and do admit I have no clue as to the meaning of the phrase "Mestizoic person." I am reasonable well read, checked dictionaries, and Googled the term and did not really find anything explaining what the phrase means. OK ... it's something derogatory, I guess, but what does it mean, why is it derogatory, and to whom does it refer?

T. Sowell's Random Thoughts
While I find most of Mr. Sowell's observations "spot on" I'm wondering if the entire list isn't just that-a list of "talking points"?
Nobody's perfect!

AudiR10, 6:57 AM, a request
Wrote: "Of course, it suits the purposes of those who are In Charge, to have the masses so overwhelmed by incoming noise that they are unable to take any time to sit quietly and think about what their Masters are doing."

Granted that this is one effect of our culture's collective Short Attention Span...

Do you genuinely believe that some human person or persons actually sat down and thought out the way to achieve SAS in the masses, with an eye toward producing compliant followers? If so, who, and why do you think so?

I do think it's deliberate, but not from any human agent.

Hagar


Read my 11:57 Am post first then the one from 12:19 AM. If you still do not understand what I am saying then you need to change authors that you are reading.

Like most things, the illusion written by the winners trumps reality. Most authors of the twentieth century and before have little historical perspective and even less inclination to tell the great truths. People say, who cares, it's over. History repeats itself regularly. Only the package changes, the guts are the same, for man is not a changing character. His instincts are always the same.



In The future - Maybe.??.



Imagine that we are finally led into a new regime of "nations united". Is it hard to suppose that after a few decades of a less than satisfactory experience with neighbors who think differently than we in the "old U.S.A." that we might wish to reverse course and recover our independence of borders and actions, regain our sovereignty.??.

Can you imagine in the above scenario if the "old U.S.A." lost the bid for separation that the larger "nations united" would ever write the truth about what we attempted to do, our reasons for separation.

This is what happened to the southern states.






onceamarine
Well I suppose if we started the revolution over a 3% tea tax a 47% export tax could cause a civil war. Wonder what it will take to overthrow the extortionists currently in power?

Liberal Thought in a Nutshell
will (a soi-disant gay atheist liberal regular on TH) wrote (in reply to another column), "Maybe she'll [Laura Ingraham] get hit in a terrorist attack. Or raped. And I never wish anyone ill-will."

Thanks "will." I will make sure this is posted on every column response here today.

Separation - the Dirty word - Secession


The state of Texas entered the union with a slightly different contract than other states. The document states that Texas can subdivide itself in up to five states if IT ever wants to. Would be very difficult for Texans to agree on where the lines should be, but the document is legal. Texas would have 10 senators where now there are 2. Also has the advantage of being different people with different ideas.

What diversity.??. Yea, sounds like what the liberals are calling for.

The state of Yucatan in Mexico, once much larger than now, also had a different document than the other states in Mexico. Their document states that if the central government is ever to overly centralize, they can with draw from the union.

They came close once and created a new flag which is still bandied around. The state legislature called for secession and ran up the new flag. They took it down the next morning upon reconsideration. Later in time, the federal government divided the state into three and made it less prone to think about secession.

Do I believe in the right of secession.??. You are damm correct, sir.



WOW, I didn't mean to get caught in the
middle of the Civil War!


Have you noticed that the very same people who complain of the way a policeman acts to protect you, and to protect his own life, are never in line to enlist as a Gentle policeman.

Have you ever noticed that the very same people who want the borders to be open, are the people who won’t let a developer build houses for people to live.

The people who complain when a landlord evicts a dirty, non-paying tenant, won’t buy an apartment building and rent to all the dirty non-paying tenants.

Have you ever noticed that the very same people who burn a huge amount of electricity each month, ask you to ride a bicycle.

Have you noticed that the same people who don’t want any electrical windmills near their home, want you to have one in your back yard.

Diversity is meant to be among countries, not within a country. A country consists of a border and a culture, violate either and out you should go.

True story: A lady came to an apartment owners meeting 30 or 40 years ago. She got up and complained about owners who expected the building to be kept neat and clean, and owners who expected the rent to be paid on time. I suggested that if she could find a million people who agreed with her, they should each send her $10, so she could then buy a building and manage it anyway she wished. She responded, “I don’t know anything about running an apartment building.” Even the group of people who came with her, had to laugh.

Great Quotes - - Amen


Manna-Feast - - - bravo
Found under Phylis Schlafly this morning..

"The pen is mightier than the sword, but the keyboard is akin to a nuclear weapon."

Hey that phrase belongs in Thomas Sowells column this morning. Great Line...........





jim..
Have you ever noticed that those that scream the loudest for tolerance are the ones creating zero tolerance zones?

Jim

Hey, Great story and examples of peoples stupidity.

Sorry about the civil war.....................

Which southerners called the war of southern independence, or alternatively, the war of northern aggression...

boob inane
"Thanxx for all the good cheer; now with a population approaching 8,000,000,000..."

You might wish to wait for it to hit 7 billion (between about 2012 and 2013) before worrying about 8 billion. You were aware, of course, that the trend is slowing and population is expected to peak in the 11 - 12 billion range because it isn't birth rates driving the increase, but better care that is preventing children from dropping like flies, were you not?

"...we should never panic about the destruction of of our home, the Earth."

Certainly no more than we should panic over the dementors flying a death star out of Mordor to prevent the people of Narnia from joining the United Federation of Planets and getting jump gate technology. The correlation between the embrace of capitalism and free markets and environmental improvement is HUGE (which is why eastern Europe has only recently emerged from a layer of soot) and such hare-rained schemes as Kyoto simply never work (because they can't).

"Would any of you TH people treat your own property the way we do The Big House; not hardly!"

Hmmm? You mean deal with real problems rather than imaginary (or overblown) ones? Actually, yes we do.

"Instead of accepting every word from every conserve as a priori fact, why not think for yourselves for a change?"

The psychiatric term for this is "projection".

Have a nice day.

F1etch
Now I’m actually laughing. It’s making me incapable of writing something controversial.

Humour
"A sense of logic underlies a sense of humor. The same professor who wrote the first treatise on symbolic logic also wrote "Alice in Wonderland." "

Setting aside shock and slapstick, humour involves pointing out the broken logic in the thinking of one's target (including the humourist) or the audience. People who don't get the joke either don't see the logical manipulation, or else that is all they see.

I recall reading a story about the Queen reading "Alice in Wonderland" and enjoying it so much that she personally requested a copy of his next book. Of course, she was rather shocked to find that it was a treatise on symbolic logic.


Bob Doyle - Mestizo: noun...

a person of mixed racial ancestry (especially mixed European and Native American ancestry) WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.

Good Point
Larry writes
T. Sowell's Random Thoughts
While I find most of Mr. Sowell's observations "spot on" I'm wondering if the entire list isn't just that-a list of "talking points"?


It seems a little incongruous to deride "talking points" on a list that is the written equivalent of sound bites.

good job cutter bench
way to care about the needs of your fellow man,

someone wanted a defintion and you were there to provide it, nice work

Affirmative Action
I don't understand the likes of Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell. Can Mr. Sowell kindly explain why it was alright for Justice Thomas to use a set-aside to get into Yale but its not alright for a Black person today? Moreover, why is Thomas afraid to discuss it? He will not and most people have concluded its due to his hypocritical stance on the subject.

While I'm at it, where were conservative voices when Jim Crow laws forced Black kids into inferior, segregated schools? It seems conservative voices are only heard when white people are impacted.

Many Black conservatives like Dr. Sowell are guilty of revisionist history. If the likes of Thurgood Marshall hadn't been around in 1954, Sowell and Thomas would not be where they are today, I don't care how self-reliant they consider themselves to be. I'd much rather read what John Hope Franklin has to say on the subject of affirmative action than spinmeisters like Sowell. Its perfectly fine to be Black and have conservative values but in the process please do revise history in the process.

Charlie on Lincoln
More revisionist history once again. "Charlie" claims slavery would have ended peacefully in 2 more decades. Really? Lets look a little deeper Charlie.

President Lincoln was willing to let slavery exist where it was already established. What he was not willing to do was to allow it to expand into the western territories as many southerners had planned. Lincoln drew the line here and Southern fire-eaters like Calhoun crossed it.

You really should check your history before making wild-eyed statements that just happen to fit your conservative point of view. I'd like to know what Dr. Sowell thinks about such commentary. I get a kick out of Black conservatives like Sowell who prefer to forget the battles fought by liberals on their behalf, the same liberals he can't stop criticizing today. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

I know Black conservatives that have nothing but the utmost respect for liberals, while disagreeing with them on most economic matters. That is perfectly fine. What is not fine is reinventing history to suit your philosophy.

johnboy
would you mind defining "conservative"?

funny observation
when you start talking about how AWESOME Lincoln was, people come flocking out of the woodwork to falsely and incorectly portray him has not the anti-slavery HERO that he is.

Its very strange

people coming in the name of left right center,

out of the woodwork to diminish the name of Lincoln

its extraordinary


define conservative
A conservative is one who believes in limited government, one who puts the responsibility for prosperity on the individual, not the government. A conservative fully embraces the notion of self-reliance. A conservative also believes a primary role of government is to ensure a strong military defense.

BTW - I happen to fit that definition. But notice my definition does not allow for revising history when it does not fit a conservative philosophy. That is where I part ways with the likes of so many so-called conservatives.

evaluating validity of Jim correlations
like the meeting that Reagan had with Bishop Tutu,

I find your correlations to be so-so, not great, not terrible, but so-so,


thanks johnboy
I appreciate you taking the time to define that for me.

johnboy
I noticed that your definition of conservative does not include "pro-life"

Was that an oversight on your part, or do you belive being pro-life is not something that falls under the definition of "consrevative"

His last point
I'm as conservative as they come on the majority of issues - but I have to disagree with Dr. Sowell on his last point about corporate CEO pay.

I'm sorry, but I cannot comprehend ANYONE, doing ANYTHING, that is intrinsicly WORTH multi-millions of dollars per year. Not Hollywood stars, not sports players, not CEOs. There should be a MAXIMUM wage, as far as I'm concerned. You reach a certain point, and beyong that, it's pure greed.

Ewww - typo
I didn't think that looked right when I typed it -

intrinsicALLy

My bad...

The Civil War
got its roots started in about 1853, and had,at
that point, nothing to do with slavery.
The slavery issue was added as another talking
point.....or fighting point.

conservatives pro-life?
Forrest:

I intentionally left out attributes of what is known as a social conservative. This is a relatively new type of conservative and in many ways in direct opposition to the classic definition of conservative.

For instance, the social conservative has no problem with government intruding into the private lives of its citizens, especially when matters of sex or religion are involved. A true conservative would never do such a thing.

As for the protection of human life under the Constitution it is perfectly consistent for a classic (economic) conservative to be pro-life. Moreover, conservatives, despite pro-business, are also pragmatically pro-environment. But social conservatives would prefer to hound some of its citizens rather than pursue environmental issues. Here, names like James Dobson come to mind.

CEO pay
If the markets were 100% free, then it would not be bothersome when a CEO makes whatever the market dicates.

But when some companies get tax breaks preferentail treatment,and competition from other companies is stifled in various ways,

then it is bothersome.

johnboy
thanks for breaking down your concept of tradional conservaivsm and new conservatism.


So according to you, new conservatism, is more pro-life oreinted?

would that be fair to say?

ceo pay
Not to sound rude (what a great way to start off) but if you think a companys ceo is paid too much don't buy their product - simple as that.

Gushing over a Female & a Minority
I didn't hear any gushing over Condi - and she was a package deal!

I'm pleased, once again, with your work, Dr. Sowell!

ceo pay
"But when some companies get tax breaks preferentail treatment,and competition from other companies is stifled in various ways,

then it is bothersome."

I think you would have to look at each company, industry, and ceo and analyze from this data. If the companys are working within IRS & other legal and ethical guidelines they're just playing by the rules. I would argue this is something that should be taken to shareholders or directors of corporations not putting caps on wages as persnickety suggested. I got pissed at Exxon for the compensation package they paid their ceo 1 or 2 years ago and now I shop elsewhere.

To johnboy
Before you accuse people of revising history you first need to learn some. First go back and read my 11:44 AM post to Bruzazki and then come back and read the rest of this post.

You said both Sowell and Thomas got where they were at today via "affirmative action". There may be some truth to that with regard to Thomas in getting into Yale, but it is doubtless that he would have gotten into some law school because he is smart and talented. Would he have still made the Supreme Court, who knows, but it is possible. That is one of the curses of affirmative action and other set-aside programs. As for Sowell, nothing he has accomplished is the result of affirmative action. Almost all of his accomplishments came before all of that got into high gear. As for set-asides and affirmative action itself. it was never meant to be nothing more than a temporary feature to help offset prior discrimination. The Constitution says that the Government will not discriminate on the basis of race. The civil rights act of 1964 says that we will not place children in schools on the basis of race. The latest Supreme Court ruling has just reiterated that. Sandra Day O'Conner said it best in one of the previous rulings that had allowed some race based acceptance. She said that this can not go on forever. Well here it is 40 years after official segregation was ended. I would suppose that in school systems of today it would be hard to find a system that was suffering from prior segregation. I would suppose that most people would have graduated in 40 years.

Now for the issue of the civil war and slavery. What the earlier poster had stated was that slavery would have ended due to the onset of the industrial revolution. Harvesters and combines would have rendered slavery obsolete. That is true, the use of slaves for field hands would have died out, but there are still many things on a farm that require human labor so I am not sure that the industrial revolution alone would have caused it to die. I do believe that it would have died out without the war, but it would have taken longer. What would have happened is exactly what the South was afraid of. They would have been confined to a small area of the country and eventually the rest of the country would have reached the 3/4 majority needed to amend the Constitution for elimination of the practice. This would have been done without the war and it's resulting acrimonious feelings on all sides.

Ultimately what was needed on both sides prior to 1861 was someone to rein in the hotheads on both sides. No one in the North seemed interested in reining in the abolitionists and John C. Calhoun who had been a moderating influence in the South had died. When the Peace Conference of 1861 failed it was only a matter of time.

Dr. Sowell
Best column of the day!

uh oh
booboo bought into the hysterical lie of global warming now we're in trouble NOT!

Americans support the Iraq war
Across the board in the media, right left center whatever meaingless term you want to use.

the media LIES when they say the American people are against the war.


The American people SUPPORT the war in Iraq.


let me say that again

The Maerican people suport the war in Iraq.


Fox Townhall, MSNBC CNN they all lie when they say the American people are against the war in Iraq.

that is false.

take your own polls.

lori
its getting hotter,

thats clear.

Like PAt RObertson says, this is not neceasrily be because of SUVs and CO2 emmisions etc, but its certainly getting hotter.

possibly a cycle of the sun

maybe it will get cooler though

Alice
It is my under standing that Queen Victoria asked the author of "Alice" for a copy of his book thinking he would send her "Alice." He considered his book on symbolic logic to be "his book."

To Forrest
Currently it is very debatable as to whether we are still warming. The hard evidence is that the temperatures have stabilized and there is a growing body of evidence that the temperatures have peaked and are now going down.

If you elliminate the change in fudge factors used in the calculations for temperature we would be decreasing.

vic we left off
on some other thread,

with you berating me and calling me stupid and a bunch of other insults.

now you just adress as as if everything is completely cool?

maybe you dont remember

I'll try to just suck it up and adress you as if there were no strong words.

Vic
"Currently it is very debatable as to whether we are still warming. "

maybe, I havent studied.

but it just seems like every year its just getting hotter and hotter to me.


To Forrest
You're right I don't remember calling you stupid and a bunch of other insults. TH frowns on that and it usually results in banning. Which thread was it and I'll refresh my memory.

vic
nevermind its not important,

name-calling is gonna happen, it shouldnt be banned by th in my opinion.

sometimes its called for, most of the time I have found it isnt though

different types of "conservative"
acc to johnboy


new (possibly implies pro-life)
classic
social
economic


what a touhg word to get a handle on

Affirmative Action is Discrimination
Vic:

My son went to Dartmouth in the 1980s. They were still resentful about the decision to go coed, referring to female students as "tuna" (subject to quotas).

Dr Sowell made his way well before affirmative action programs were inacted. He makes a point the he knows he made it on his own and not because he was part of a quota.

Good for him.


Spelling
Forrest

please run a spell-checker.

Clinton and Obama
If we should, by some unfortunate chance, be gifted with the ticket of The Commie and the Kid, we will have plenty of opportunity to critique her internalization of Marxist dogma, and his lack of "gravitas"...don't you think?

John Boy.......

.......Like a lot of people remember just the parts of history that suit him/them. I may not be a great historian, and I may remember those things I hold most important, but so does John Boy.

John, don't be so sure of yourself. Pride cometh before a fall.

And thank you VIC for coming to the attention of this entire affair.

Hotter and Hottter
Not like Paris H, but more directly the globe; Is has been getting cooler overall since 1998. Check the records. Yes there are HOT Days, but it is Snowing in Beunos Aries. FIRST TIME SINCE 1800s. Hmm.. Global cooling?

Why has it been cooling? Well the SUN has been getting less irradiant since its 1998 peak. In fact the Solar activity has increased over the past 30 years more than any other time in recorded history. Now it is turning back to inactivity. Lets just say this: I believe Al Gore's Message in 5 years will be "Stop the Global Cooling" you you nut cases who don't look at facts will believe that you are the cause.

I say Stop the CO2! Every Liberal Democrat and RINO should do their part. Hold your breath for 30 consecutuve minutes every day!

To Arco
I agree wholeheartedly and the Supreme Court also said that. It's just that for a while they were saying it was acceptable to offset previous dicrimination.

I take it that those days are now over and I'm glad. I don't think there will ever be true reconcilation between the races until we quit treating the races different.

Now that the schools have been told "no more offsets" I wonder how long it will be before big buisiness gets the message and curtails the endless supply of diversity programs.

At any rate, I have to go for tonight will post again tomorrow.

johnboy
1. When will we know when affirmative action is not needed? You libs seem never to know when you're work is done and you're no longer needed. How about if we just have Julian Bond, Al Sharpton, Tavis Smiley, and Jesse Jackson SHOW and TELL black folks how THEY did it? Wouldn't that be more effective? Apparently, you and lots of other libs just refuse to learn from Justice Thomas and Dr. Sowell.

2. If Affirmative Action is so good and right, try going up to the next accomplished black person you see and telling them how glad you are that they took advantage of AA.


to be fair
there's a lot of AA going on for rich white folks, and now, rich black folks. Kennedys, Bushes, and Jacksons. It is not right in these cases either.

ScarletPimpernel
"If Affirmative Action is so good and right, try going up to the next accomplished black person you see and telling them how glad you are that they took advantage of AA."

THAT needed a spew alert!

Jesse and Al, racial warlords using "shake em down" techniques to enrich themselves.

Jesse IS pretty funny though, like when he was Bubba's spiritual advisor when the news broke of HIS love child!

Ingraham on OReilly
I didnt follow her criticizms of Bush

I agreed with her supports of Bush

as for her criticizms, I found them silly and misguided, a tragedy of hanging around too many dishonest people

For the record Bush wants a fence built.

Of course he understands the importance of national security.

And everything the U.S. military is doing in Iraq from taking out the bad guys, to rebuilding the infrasctructure is noble and the American poeple are hehind it all. all of it



shes hanging around with too many idiots

Lincoln on Slavery
While a draft of the Emancipation Proclamation sat on Lincoln's desk, he says, "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that...I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free. "

more Lincoln on slavery



letter 8/24/1855

http://www.nps.gov/archive/liho/slavery/al03.htm


You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it. So far there is no cause of difference. But you say that sooner than yield your legal right to the slave -- especially at the bidding of those who are not themselves interested, you would see the Union dissolved. I am not aware that any one is bidding you to yield that right; very certainly I am not. I leave that matter entirely to yourself. I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair to you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the constitution and the Union.

I do oppose the extension of slavery, because my judgment and feelings so prompt me; and I am under no obligation to the contrary.


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more Lincoln on slavery
Speech at Chicago, Illinois
July 10, 1858

I have always hated slavery, I think as much as any Abolitionist. I have been an Old Line Whig. I have always hated it, but I have always been quiet about it until this new era of the introduction of the Nebraska Bill began. I always believed that everybody was against it, and that it was in course of ultimate extinction.

I have said a hundred times, and I have now no inclination to take it back, that I believe there is no right, and ought to be no inclination in the people of the free States to enter into the slave States, and interfere with the question of slavery at all.

more Lincoln on slavery
July 1, 1854
Fragment on Slavery

If A. can prove, however conclusively, that he may, of right, enslave B. -- why may not B. snatch the same argument, and prove equally, that he may enslave A?--

You say A. is white, and B. is black. It is color, then; the lighter, having the right to enslave the darker? Take care. By this rule, you are to be slave to the first man you meet, with a fairer skin than your own.

You do not mean color exactly?--You mean the whites are intellectually the superiors of the blacks, and, therefore have the right to enslave them? Take care again. By this rule, you are to be slave to the first man you meet, with an intellect superior to your own.

But, say you, it is a question of interest; and, if you can make it your interest, you have the right to enslave another. Very well. And if he can make it his interest, he has the right to enslave you.

my favorite word of Lincoln on slavery
Seventh and Last Debate with Stephen A. Douglas
Alton, Illinois
October 15, 1858

That is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles -- right and wrong -- throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time; and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, "You work and toil and earn bread, and I'll eat it." No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle.

more Lincoln on slavery
To Henry L. Pierce
April 6, 1859

This is a world of compensations; and he who would be no slave, must consent to have no slave. Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.

more
Speech at Cincinnati, Ohio
September 17, 1859

I think Slavery is wrong, morally, and politically. I desire that it should be no further spread in these United States, and I should not object if it should gradually terminate in the whole Union.

last one, Lincoln on slavery

To James N. Brown
October 18, 1858

I do not perceive how I can express myself, more plainly, than I have done in the foregoing extracts. In four of them I have expressly disclaimed all intention to bring about social and political equality between the white and black races, and, in all the rest, I have done the same thing by clear implication.

I have made it equally plain that I think the negro is included in the word "men" used in the Declaration of Independence.

I believe the declara[tion] that "all men are created equal" is the great fundamental principle upon which our free institutions rest; that negro slavery is violative of that principle; but that, by our frame of government, that principle has not been made one of legal obligation; that by our frame of government, the States which have slavery are to retain it, or surrender it at their own pleasure; and that all others -- individuals, free-states and national government -- are constitutionally bound to leave them alone about it.

I believe our government was thus framed because of the necessity springing from the actual presence of slavery, when it was framed.

That such necessity does not exist in the teritories[sic], where slavery is not present.

...It does not follow that social and political equality between whites and blacks, must be incorporated, because slavery must not.

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all from website
http://www.nps.gov/archive/liho/slavery/al01.htm

Thanks, Dr. Sowell
for hitting soooo many pressure points in one fell swoop!

My favorite was re: "hate speech" - if ever there was a misnomer, this one takes the cake. It's "hate speech" only if it applies to what the liberals think it should. Forget it if a woman denigrates a man (i.e., Katie C's recent interview)- that's okay????

Civil War Deniers
Several here try to blame the Union for secession. Vic mentions the limits of the Southern economy that he seems to say forced the secessionists to leave the Union. The economy of the South was only restricted by those Southerners with power. Slavery is not free labor anymore than printing Confederate dollars was free money. Slavery depressed the wages of all Southerners except the planter aristocracy. Granted the tariffs enacted by Congress were bad policy, but SC had ignored them before. There are ways around tariffs besides leaving the Union. Had the Southern states put the matter to a vote, the secession may not have happened, but the planters were as happy to speak for the poor whites as they were for their slaves. The South had ample opportunity to avoid war, (first by avoiding the economic effects of their own flawed system) but chose to continue their aristocratic traditions.
OnceaMarine mentions the high coast of the war in the end, but it is hardly reasonable to assume that was intended by either side. Both thought (as many do whenever the US goes of to war) that it would be short, glorious and a fine spectator event. In the end, the Union devastated the secessionist states. The Reconstruction (revenge) Congresses kept the South from recovering as punishment, and when reconstruction ended, the old Southern guard kept it from recovering out of spite.
The flaws in Southern political thought were partially responsible for the Confederacy's demise. The states were just as intractable and uncooperative when out of the Union as in. The weakness of the Confedeacy politically is a good example of what the United States could have become had the central government remained weak. As much as we may disagree with one another and a central authority, we are better off together.

Diet Doc
If you're still around, thanks for the heads-up. Will check out your site, it looks interesting.

Thanks again.

Diet Doc
If you're still around, thanks for the heads up. I will take a look at your site, it looks interesting.

Thanks again.

cape
"liberal" and "conservative" are just as much of a misnomer as "hate speech"

but you know this, stop the game

Bruzaki
"slavery is not free labor"

certainly you owuld say it is cheap labor, or labor at below market wage.

correct?


forrest
You need to get over your issue with the labels "conservative" and "liberal". They are valid labels to describe political leanings. You're trying to muddy the waters and appear reasonable but you're accomplishing the exact opposite. It's reeks of more PC'ness.

Affirmative Action, (in college admissio
Given the enthusiasms with which college administrators support and implement Affirmative Action in college admissions, it is difficult to accept the notion that without such a policy these same administrators would, then, deny admission to applicants primarily because they were black. Racism in college admissions is not the problem. The problem is that too many blacks, as well as members of other groups for that matter, come to the college admissions process unable to gain admission on the merits of their previous education.

If those who so adamantly support Affirmative Action were also working to correct this root cause I would be much more accepting of the sincerity of their intentions. That would certainly not be easy and, indeed, racism in lower education may play a part although I don’t see that as endemic to the system as a whole. Home schooling and school vouchers are at least intended to address the real problem. Once accomplished the entire justification for Affirmative Action would disappear in twelve years. That is less time than we have been spinning our wheels trying to compensate for the problem after the fact with Affirmative Actions 'fight discrimination with more discrimination' approach. The latter has no end game and actually denies the value of primary education.


onewise
"Conservative" and "liberal" are terrible useless deceptive terms, and the less they are used the better.

I will continue to make it a high priority to point out how absurd those terms are, depsite your criticizm.


I find it troubling that you dont see the folly of those terms

inconsistency of insults
Voltaire with the new angle,





Must be...
...the summer doldrums; huh Doc?

Random Thoughts
I think I enjoy Sowell's "Random Thoughts" columns more than any of his other columns - which I enjoy immensely. I think it was MarK Twain who said, "There is nothing quite so uncommon as common sense." Thomas Sowell's columns are all excellent examples of common sense applied to current events.

CEO Compensation
" The playing field is not level" There are 34,000 lobbyists in D.C.! How many of these lobbyists are for the shareholders who pay the outrageous compenstation?

forrest
...and I find it troubling that you do not see the folly of your reasoning.

Humorous, but true
Great work Dr. Sowell.
I enjoy your books and articles.

Just a Random Thought
Lets say you are driving and come upon a work area marked by fluorescent Orange flexi-barrels, orange cones, orange-yellow flasher lights, and orange signs urging reduced speed and watchful caution. Isn't it counter-productive for the road crew to be dressed in ORANGE colored vest and hard hats? Isn't that a lot like wearing camouflage? And if you are moving and a crewman is moving might your perception be distorted and you may believe that crewman is an inanimate object, I.E. a caution cone,barrel,etc. Aren't the crew in more danger wearing the same color as the caution alert barrier equipage than say wearing florescent lime green?

Another Random Thought
Strobe lights have been around since the 1960's, I remember they were big novelties in dance clubs, where as you watched other dancers they appeared to be momentarily frozen in time, which brings me to--->Lets say you're driving at night and come upon a routine police traffic stop, and the police cruiser(s) are/is equipped with enough strobe lights to tour with ELP, or the Rolling Stones, or some other band of legendary musical and live concert stature. Yellow, white, and blue lights are flashing and thus urging you to proceed with reduced speed and watchful caution. However, the strobes are mesmerizing in their visual effect and shroud the scene in mystery disguising any movement by any police officer who may have be outside their cruiser. Aren't (& I've counted as many as 32 pairs of different timed strobes on a police cruiser) these lights a bit like camouflage at night? and counter-productive of officer and traffic violator safety when stopped?

John Boy & Affirmative Action
johnboy writes: Tuesday, July, 10, 2007 3:15 PM
Affirmative Action
You Said, "While I'm at it, where were conservative voices when Jim Crow laws forced Black kids into inferior, segregated schools? It seems conservative voices are only heard when white people are impacted."
Those particular conservative voices and also any persons responsible for inferior segregated schools are NOW either RETIRED or DECEASED. By inference you accuse present day conservatives of Jim Crow laws, inferior, and segregated schools and you use THE DREADED RACE CARD. LOL@U.

Random thoughts
Thomas,

You are something special!

You da Man
Thomas Sowell is a interesting, insightful southern gentleman.

I like him.

onewiseguy
Forrest is just up to entertaining himself again, it's part of his rehabiltation program.

He's contributed so much in his life time that it started getting to him, and he was told that it might help if he tried to contribute nothing for a change.

Coulter's column: use of word "liberal"
I think she may have set a record for most times using the word "liberal" in an article ever.

Its a shame cuz shed be a terrific writer if not for that stupid meaninless, intelligence insutling word.

Im starting to wonder exactly what her deal is.

foxfire, I have no idea who you are, stop talking about me as if you know me.


to the insincere flatterers


Stop insulting Sowell's intelligence

Random Thoughts
Re: Global Warming (GW). Google the term "Malenkovitch Cycles" for a short wiki item on how the earth's orbit varies and how this affects the insolation received from the sun. Look at the earth's temperature cycles over the past several million years and note that it goes from hot to ice age and back to hot repeatedly in that time. And even the real scientists who adhere to anthropogenic GW admit that the cycles repeat and their charts show that the earth will be getting warmer over the next epoch, followed by renewed glacialization. Then note that the greenhouse gas contributing 83% to the effect is moisture vapor; CO2 comes in at about 3%. Then note that in earlier warm periods, the CO2 levels increased well AFTER the rise in temperature. Finally, consider the "simplifications" and assumptions that are used in ANY climate model; if you have ever written a scientific computer model (I have), you know how much the rounding off of numbers and the ignoring of effects can affect the validity of the results. Bottom line: it may get warmer or it may get colder and MAN will not affect it either way. Better we should devote our energies on how to survive in inevitable changes.

Secondly, go back through history and you find that war is the normal state of mankind and that peace is a temporary abberation. Homo Sapiens has an instinct to destroy or dominate other members of our race and that instinct will not be denied. And that instinct is present and observable in everyone, both conservative, liberal, Democrat, Republican, and Libertarian. The essence of both government and religion is domination by a class or group of people. The only variation is the terms of domination and the way the group of clerics or "public servants" achieve power.

Is this forrests personal space?
I find the following interesting...
"Stop insulting Sowell's intelligence"

Perhaps you would then use the proper honoraria of "Doctor Sowell", or even "Mr. Sowell" when referencing the esteemed gentleman - rather than your constant use of "Sowell". Your usage connotes a demeaning inference.

enemaofthestatusquo
writes:
"Another Random Thought
Strobe lights have been around since the 1960's, I remember they were big novelties in dance clubs, where as you watched other dancers they appeared to be momentarily frozen in time, which brings me to--->Lets say you're driving at night and come upon a routine police traffic stop, and the police cruiser(s) are/is equipped with enough strobe lights to tour with ELP, or the Rolling Stones, or some other band of legendary musical and live concert stature. Yellow, white, and blue lights are flashing and thus urging you to proceed with reduced speed and watchful caution. However, the strobes are mesmerizing in their visual effect and shroud the scene in mystery disguising any movement by any police officer who may have be outside their cruiser. Aren't (& I've counted as many as 32 pairs of different timed strobes on a police cruiser) these lights a bit like camouflage at night? and counter-productive of officer and traffic violator safety when stopped?"

That is precisely why most agencies have gone to the use of LED lighting rather than strobes, and also why street-wise cops (of which I was one) turn off all the circus lighting and switch on the alternating or hazard flashers when making a car stop. It HAS been demonstrated that people tend to focus on flashing lights and indeed tend to steer toward a police vehicle rather than avoid it.

Sauras
Glad to know I'm not being delusional in my opinion of excessive Police cruiser lighting.
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