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Tuesday, June 26, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Cultural Heritages
by Thomas Sowell
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Among the interesting people encountered by my wife and me, during some recent vacation travel, were a small group of adolescent boys from a Navajo reservation. They were being led on a bicycle tour by a couple of white men, one of whom was apparently their teacher on the reservation.

The Navajo youngsters were bright and cheerful lads, so I was surprised when someone asked them in what state Pittsburgh was located and none of them knew. Then they were offered a clue that it was in the same state as Philadelphia but they didn't know where Philadelphia was either.

These Navajo boys seemed too bright not to have learned such things if they had been taught the basics. They also seemed too positive to be the kinds of kids who refused to learn.

The most likely explanation was that they were being taught other things, things considered "relevant" to their life and culture on the reservation.

These youngsters are not just members of the tribe on the reservation. They are also citizens of the United States of America, and have a right to be anywhere in this country, from Florida to Alaska.

Whether they want to stay on the reservation when they are grown or to take advantage of the many opportunities in the wider world beyond the reservation is a decision that should be theirs to make when they reach adulthood.

But those opportunities will be gone, for all practical purposes, if their education does not equip them with the knowledge that is needed to bring their natural abilities to the point where they are capable of doing all sorts of things in all sorts of places.

One of the men who was with these boys expressed great respect for the Navajo culture and there is no reason to doubt that he has good reasons for that conclusion.

But any culture -- whether in or out of the mainstream -- is not just a badge of identity or a museum piece to be admired by others.

A culture is a tool for serving the many practical purposes of life, from making a living to curing diseases. As a tool, it has to change with the ever changing tasks that confront every culture as time goes on.

Although we speak English today, we would have a hard time trying to understand things written in Old English from centuries ago. Languages, like every other aspect of culture, change over time.

Wind-driven sailing ships were a great advance over ships propelled by oars but the sailing ships were in turn superseded by steamships and today we have diesel-powered ships.

No culture can stand still.

Among the Navajo heroes of World War II were men who served in American armed forces in the Pacific and broadcast secret military messages in the Navajo language, which the Japanese were unable to translate.

This required the Navajo code-talkers to come up with new words for things like battleships and airplanes, which had never been part of traditional Navajo culture.

Some of these men were too old to be in the military, or too young, but they volunteered to serve anyway. This was an era when people from every background considered themselves Americans and wanted to help defend this country.

We can only hope that there are many more such people now, ready to serve both their country and their people, and that they will see to it that those promising young Navajo boys end up knowing all they need to know in order to be all that they can be.

Unfortunately, in this age of "multiculturalism," there are too many outsiders who want all sorts of cultures to be frozen where they are, preserved like museum exhibits.

Worse yet, too many multiculturalists want many groups to cling to their historic grievances, if not be defined by them.

But among the many ways that various groups around the world have advanced from poverty to prosperity, nursing historic grievances does not have a promising track record -- except for those who make a career out of keeping grievances alive.

The youngsters we saw deserve better than that.

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Wow
Sowell, you are very brave to come out and say this. I'm impressed.

And it takes a lot
for you to impress me, Dr. Sowell, as I expect so much out of your columns.

This one is right on key, as the cultural grief machine is alive, well, and profitable.

I've been around many Navajo folks on my trips to Flagstaff, and many that I ran into had some serious chips on their shoulders. It was a stark contrast to some of the three Navajo guys I served with in the Marines.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

No culture can stand still,
but those muslims sure are trying...

Cultural Heritages
The Navajo have been stuck on the reservation for many decades. They have had substandard medical care and education. There religion also precludes gambling.

Its sad that that after there importan service ain WW II they were considered expendable,instead of getting the finanicial backing need to educate themselves. It would have been a fitting reward for there service.

Be judgemental .. be very judgemental
Why do multiculturists deprive youngsters of education in the name of 'heritage'?
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Multiculturists are empty-headed frauds with a perverse, self-hating streak.

Observe that the multiculturists often feign a look of absorbed interest in some random (usually medieval) and anachronistic concept. Having accepted the idea of suspended judgement (read: intelligence) they have no ability to carry out a real study of the facts.

All that they need is to say, with a fake look of benevolent attention "Oh my goodness, that is so interesting, Ngumpo-mumpo! Tell me more about the ancient tribal rain-invoking chants of the Mau-mau. Gosh, you natives are so much closer to Mother Nature than us greedy Americans. I can certainly understand why you hate us so."

How do we counter this nonsense?

Be judgemental - be very judgemental! If you suspend your judgement, you have effectively suspended your power of thought. Asking a human being to suspend his judgement is like insisting that a cheetah should suspend its ability to run fast. Without judgement, humans would starve to death. Even cavemen used their judgement to decide (based on experience) which berries tasted good, and which ones caused a tummyache!

A person who begins his argument with "let's not be judgemental" is a con-man, who is usually asking you to suspend your judgement, so that he can set you up for the con.
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Imagine
what would have happened to this counrty if all the different ethnicities that imigratted here had not tried to blend in and instead held on to their respective cultures. Those cultures included styles of dress, music, language, food and values.

Granted, it would be very colorful walking down a sidewalk in any area and seeing the variety of native dress. But what would have happened to those eventual cross ethnic marriages. Does an Irish peasant mix with German lederhosen? Or a Mexican sombrero with native Greek dress? Which of the parties would have given up their ethnic culture and adopted the other's?

Dr. Sowell is correct in saying that some multiculturists want to keep the various cultures from changing but that creates, among other things, a country devided by it's language. It also creates classes of people who do not assimilate and are trapped into certain socio-economic levels. We will have a constant source of yard men, 7-11 cashiers, house keeppers, dishwashers, fast food service people and lawn mowers. But then maybe that's part of their multiculturalist agenda.

I like several foods from different cultures as well as some of the music but I don't want a steady diet of either. Nor do I want any of these groups pushing the style of government they left to come here.

I received a poor grade in a college english class because the professor was a multiculturist and in a final essay I stated that the different cultures should celebrate, not live, their cultures. Everybody is Irish on St. Pats day and after enough beer everybody tries to dance a German polka during Octoberfest or goes to a local Mexican celebration on Cinco de Mayo. This is called celebrating a culture and the enjoyment is shared by people of differing heritages.

The sharing of a cultural celebration draws people together. Living your culture sets you apart from society as a whole.

America was never a melting pot. In a melting pot you can't tell one ingrediant from another. America was a rich stew where every ingrediant kept some of it's own unique flavor while being part of the overall flavor.

Again: Sowell Scrapes Bottom of Barrel
On what evidence does Sowell base his guess that the Navajo boys had not been taught material "outside their culture"? I am reminded of a student I taught thirty years ago in a suburb of Washington DC. He would have been sixteen years old when he revealed in a classroom discussion that he did not know that the state of Florida is a part of the United States; he thought it was a foreign country.

Now, Sowell, this boy was black. By your logic, he didn't know about Florida because he'd been taught only material relevant to black culture. In fact, a high probability exists that at some point in this kid's eleven years in a Maryland public school system the fact had been mentioned that Florida is a state (check: auditory learner.) Also, probably at some point he had been shown a map of the United States (check: visual learner) and, what do you know, there would have been Florida stuck right onto the rest of the land mass we call the United States.

The forces that led my student to have tuned out that basic bit of general knowledge should concern both you and me, but let's not take refuge in the ridiculous. (BTW, the opposite---ignoring the child's own world---becomes equally ridiculous; I once heard a Jamaican educator say that he had been made to memorize all of the rivers of England while no Jamaican river was ever mentioned at his school.)

To Kraut
You seem to assume that your teacher gave you a poor grade because he or she disagreed with what you said about multiculturalism. Consider that your grade may have had another basis. Just now I went over your post in a hurried way and jotted down what I found: two errors in capitalization, five errors in spelling, seven errors in punctuation, and numerous errors in the way the English language is supposed to be put together.

Do you understand what I mean by "parallel construction"? Several times you have lined up elements that are supposed to be the same kinds of things, but they aren't. For example, "Does an Irish peasant mix with German lederhosen?" doesn't work because peasants are people and lederhosen are garments.

Beyond that, your post is confusing about whether you're saying (or not) that immigrants have tried to assimilate. You begin by saying "imagine what would have happened if people had not tried to blend in" meaning that they have to blend in---and since you start off with this, your reader assumes that will be your main idea. But then in your third paragraph you talk about immigrants NOT having blended in. You need one consistent focus, and everything else you say in your essay should support that.

Kraut, consider the possibility that your teacher graded you down not because he or she disagreed with you but because you were not writing acceptably at the level expected in a college English assignment. It's a cop-out to say, "the teacher doesn't like me" or "the teacher is a liberal" or "the teacher is prejudiced against my race or ethnic group". Learning begins when we are able to focus on what the poor grade is really about.

lilly- what's your point?
Maybe you missed the point of this article, but it is about these boys NOT being taught some basics in school. Why you choose to attack the messenger instead of recognize the obvious is pretty sad. Are you so blinded by your liberal ideology that you can't grasp that? Are we better off allowing these boys to grow up so poorly educated that they can't even identify American cities? They should know at least something about Philadelphia, since it does play prominently in our history. Sowell didn't scrap the bottom, he pointed out the inadequacy of their education.

To Lilly
Please, you give all former teachers a bad name when you carp about grammar and spelling! And when you accuse Dr.Sowell of "scraping the bottom of the barrel - it is time for you to return to the Left and read a few REAL scrapings.

The most dangerous people:
"...outsiders who want all sorts of cultures to be frozen where they are, preserved like museum exhibits."

Many horrendous examples of which are found on African continent.*

"Do not use natural resources - save the planet."

"Are they not quaint living in their huts?"

"You have all this, what more could you possibly WANT?"

"This new, improved agreement says you may hunt ONE lion to achieve 'manhood' but may NEVER, EVER hunt any others. Not even maneaters, unless authorized by OUR council."

*some license taken, but not much.

US Public Education
The public school system in this country is doing a poor job of preparing students for life. Yes, there are advanced placement courses and programs for the gifted and talented. Special education programs are there to support the challenged, but what about the children in the middle of the bell curve?

If a student is considered average, his public school education is dismal. Few high school graduates know much American history. Almost none could explain the rights protected under the First Amendment. Many cannot spell or construct a sentence. Average math skills are awful. Dr. Sowell's little geography quiz should surprise no one. A government monopoly produces mediocrity.

The problems are (1) that school systems are more interested in indoctrination than education and (2) that parents let them get away with it. Ask a grade school student about global warming and you will hear about polar bears and coastal flooding. Ask who fought in the War of 1812 and you will get a blank stare. Why? Schools have become parental entitlements to a 12 year long child care service where educators are free to teach what they want.

If anyone thinks it cannot get any worse, look at what is going on in Los Angeles. There is a latino charter school called "Academia Semillas del Pueblo" where all things western are rejected. Test scores at this segregated school are well below minimum and dropping. How well will these graduates be prepared to enter the job market?

Kraut
What would you have in America if all the different cultures had refused to assimilate?

You'd have Canada.

My sister spent six months with me up here and she said Canada is not a country; it is a balkanized group of refugee camps where people spend their lives with people like themselves, hating the same people their grandparents hated and crying that they were oppressed.

There are times when these ethnic conclaves are great fun -- World Cup Soccer season is a wonderful experience when your city is a collection of ethninc groups and if you support the Azzurri you can go to the Italian community and gather with the Italians and support your team just exactly the way your compadres are in the Old Country. (If you live in the Italian enclave and you support Team Portugual, you have to sneak out the back door and put on your sweater and unfurl your flag when you get to Little Portugual). We also have great festivals here and at every religious season we have great ethnic celebrations.

Nevertheless, we have large numbers of people here who say without understanding that they are speaking treason, that should Canada go to war against their home country, they would go home to fight for Her.

That is what you would have if the multicultures of America had not assimilated.

mutliculturalism
when a country maintains tribal identity it can never become a nation. America became great because of the melting pot mentality. Unfortunately libs with their idiocy of multi-culturalism is seeking to actively destroy that thinking. The greatest enemy to assimilation of those from other nations to becoming americans our current education system which champions multi=culturalism

The left and Munchhausen Syndrome
Common to social interventionists is a felt need to "make a difference" and promote "social justice". Equiped with romantic views of every other culture save western culture (the very reason they can open their otherwise unemployable pie holes), off they go remind various groups of "who they really are" before western "oppression". I know this- I shamefully did this very thing for a decade. It is intoxicating to feel like such a purveyor of justice and acceptance- meanwhile the cost is lateralled off to those encouraged to stay stuck and the taxpayers who support the ever-expanding fallout.

I have come to liken liberalism as a type of Munchhausen Syndrome- the pathological need to be the heroic center of attention while creating the very sickness to be attended to. It is alive and well on the reservation!

For Just a Thought Here
My daughter 15 year old daughter has young teacher who travels extensively and loves Africa. This very nice young man (I really do like him) was positively glowing as he gushed about the "simplicity" of African life, and mentioned a woman "dressed in incredibly vibrant colors" who was "carrying all she owned on her head". O what we in the hustle-bustle west could learn from those wise and easy to please people!
My daughter asked him if it had occurred to him that she may not have been able to safely put her things down. Her next question was did he go back to the hotel, or did he follow her to see where she was sleeping that night? The point is, its easy to romanticize about other cultures when supported and protected by a more comfortable and prosperous one. This is utterly lost on the left.

It's not only the Navajos
This imposed ignorance of basic facts is not just limited to students from ethnic minorities or who have a "grievance". Nor to those, who like those Navajo kids, are treated by many whites as mascots.

Students in my area grow up within 20 to 40 minutes' drive of Windsor, Ontario. Many of them have been there, but if you ask them what Canadian province is across the border, about half of them don't know. If you reveal that it's Ontario, many of them have never heard of the place, and others think Ontario is a city in Quebec. Some have the name on the tip of their tongue, but all they can come up with is Oreo.

I'm not talking here about kids from disadvantaged schools, but even kids who go to "award-winning" school districts that people pull up stakes and move to get their kids into. Some of them even go to the University of Michigan.

folks
Before we castigate liberals and multi-culturalists for empty headed fraud, reconsider this glaring paragraph from the article.

“The most likely explanation was that they were being taught other things, things considered "relevant" to their life and culture on the reservation.”

This is nothing but supposition. It is a guess based on ideological prejudice. Sowell doesn’t know the reason nor does he have any evidence to formulate his hypothesis. In your zeal to degrade liberalism you have swallowed the lowest form of pandering as absolute fact. There are many likely explanations and several are much more likely than the one offered here.


oldsocialworker
Your point is well made and similar questions should be put to Sowell.

oldsocialworker
Thank you for your remarks. You have much in common with another person on this particular thread who is a former socialist who saw the light. That person is none other than Doctor Thomas Sowell himself.

Maybe Sowell could use pictures....
Lilly and MikeR again demonstrate that libs can read an article and completely miss the message.

Can you both of you answer a simple question for me? Which of these statements do you MOST agree with...
A. Multiculturalism and diversity are greatly beneficial to our country.
B. We should celebrate our cultures, but strive to become a melting pot of non-hyphenated Americans.

By the way, if I were you, I would stay away from trying to rip Sowell’s column...you are intellectual guppies in his ocean of insight and wisdom.


Right on Target Once Again
Dor. Sowell hit the nail smack on the head. To carry the point others have made here - I just viewed a 2005 documentary video made by Disney titled "Sacred Planet" narrated in part by Robert Redford. This video is nothing more than a promotion of this multi-cultural pap so popular today. Its also narrated by selected tribesman from remote tribes around the world. Its message? These tribal people still living in there privative ways, hunting with spears and bow and arrow, living in mud huts are archetypal of how all of us should live! They are closer to nature and therefor understand the need to respect and care for the "Sacred Planet" earth - we modern city dwelling industrialists not only are destroying ourselves but also the earth. That somehow these people being more primitive than we are are better equipped for life and to care for the earth. Of course if this were really true then the cave man being more primitive than these tribesman are even better equipped for life and to care for the earth.

Lesson? We nasty evil advanced civilizations are a menace to the world. We not only are destroying the planet we are are also destroying the only cultures that can save the planet. We all need to give up our cars, heat and air-conditioning, advanced medical care, better health, efficient farming and ranching and put on our loin clothes and hunt with spears -- but share what we killed with everyone and never kill more than can be eaten. And so become these idyllic people who are forever happy with their existence and so enjoy every moment of eking out a hard but totally fulfilling life in Utopia!

Ya gotta love it!

Pittsburgh and Philadelphia
Neither one will go to the Super Bowl this year.

$$$$
You're right, except the "primitive way of life" doesn't apply to rich libs and Hollywood types.

I remember Babs telling us we should hang our clothes to dry and ride a bike, meanwhile she lives in a 12 bathroom mansion with 4,000 sq ft air-conditioned barn...or Kerry’s wife bragging about personally belittling strangers who drive SUVs, in between her personal coast-to-coast jet flights.


Icedog
How singular yet not unexpected that you should make such statements since you’ve just demonstrated that very fact. The single and entire message of the article is that multi-culturalism is a detriment, in this case to education in particular. While the point may have some merit, the claim made here is completely unsubstantiated. It was made in the same manner the global warming proponents use. This seems to have escaped you just as the message of my comment has. As for your question, my answer is B. We should celebrate our cultures, but strive to become a melting pot of non-hyphenated Americans. I have never said anything to the contrary. This too has escaped your grasp. In this you are using the lowest form of debate as you grab at any straw in an attempt to counter my argument. I thank you for the advice but am no where near presumptuous enough to offer the same to you no matter how sorely you need it.


End Game
Has anyone addressed where all this multiculturalism will end up?

A simple look at history of the world would show that when people find others of their same beliefs and living standards they stick together. And eventually, when they don't blend, with the culture next to them they form a country. Soon they form the idea that their country/culture/class structure is better than the rest. And sooner or later they are willing to fight wars to preserve their identity from being overrun by their neighbors.

The United States is unique in that it has --in the past-- held so many cultures together in peace, bound not by societal commonality but by a equalizing system of government meant to be (of course it is not perfect) blind to class and above petty cultural debates.

But if we continue to hold the idea that any one culture is better and more inportant than the Unitied States as a whole and that culture must be an intrigral part of political debate than the great American peace will be at an end.

MikeR
Why do you strongly criticize every TH columnist and all aspects of conservative ideology and then become so defensive when you are accused of being a liberal?

Are you confused? Are you trying to impress someone by attempting to appear to be an “independent thinker”...even to the point of absurdity?

Icedog
Actually, I criticize very few columnists at TH. Usually respond only outrageous hypocrisy and blatant manipulation of facts. The only ideology I oppose is the attempt by some to ram their religion down my throat or establish a de facto national religion. There are 3 columnists in particular writing draws most of my comments. Sowell is one of them. As to individual bloggers, I do admit to teasing the most contemptible ones. I will never accept insults and name calling as appropriate behavior. As for that, I am not defensive. I simply will not sit idly by when I am countered with insults, misinformation or unrelated nonsense. I am moderate by nature and a centrist politically. I believe in a conservative government but I find the conservative movement to be infested with radicals who for all intents and purposes are identical to their liberal counterparts. That is anathematic to conservatism. Here’s an absurd idea for you. Why don’t you try to counter one of my arguments with an actual argument of your own instead of just addressing my character? In this case, try and write why you think Sowell is right and/or why my point was wrong.

Kahn
Wrote

"Its sad that that after there importan service ain WW II they were considered expendable,instead of getting the finanicial backing need to educate themselves. It would have been a fitting reward for there service."

Didn't you ever hear of the G.I. Bill?

Balkanization epitomized.....
...by Dr. Sowell!!!!!
This is one of the most important, profound columns written by Dr. Sowell, a writer of important, profound columns!

All, please read this column AND understand what you have read.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
TBC :>)

MikeR
Sowell's point is that multiculturalism is harmful to our country and may be even more harmful to those who have it thrust upon them. Sure, Sowell could have used more examples, but he probably didn’t feel it was needed on this issue. I’m not sure where you live, but take a drive to a Hispanic or Muslim neighborhood and you can see exactly what he is talking about….or do some in-depth reading on the causes leading up to France’s Muslim riots.

Your culture should be a part of you...not everything that defines you.

Just curious, who are all the columnists and conservative “radicals” pushing for a “de facto national religion”?

Pardon me KHAN


Dislecs UNTIE!

FreeOpter
You sound like a fellow member of the DNA (National Dislexics Association).

Rob
Yes I often find it disturbing that she teaches school. She is a nit wit of the highest caliber. And we wonder why people are so dumb and brainwashed?

MikeR
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Please explain which TH columnists are advocating for state religion. I have read many that advocate for religion but not of any one religion in particular. Maybe I missed it. When the left continually tries to pound religion out of society with a no holds barred mentality and seep society in moral relativism what do expect? An equal and opposite reaction. I as a Christian and conservative would never advocate one religion. I also do not know of anyone who would. However, I also do know people who would advocate no religion which is just as bad. There are many ways to trample people's rights.

Lilly and MikeR...
Lilly: “On what evidence does Sowell base his guess that the Navajo boys had not been taught material "outside their culture"?”

Presumably on the evidence that none of the boys as opposed to only one of them, as in your example, knew what state Pittsburg and Philadelphia were in.

MikeR: “This is nothing but supposition. It is a guess based on ideological prejudice. Sowell doesn’t know the reason nor does he have any evidence to formulate his hypothesis”.

It is, indeed, supposition but it is based on other than ideological prejudice. It is based on evidence such as the avowed belief from the Left that we need to accommodate the language of others rather than they learn English and the Lefts supposition that any opposition to that notion is motivated by misplaced nationalism rather than the very practical understanding that learning the local language is fundamental to successful participation in the new culture from which they seek to benefit. (Would you rather our Ambassadors to other countries learn the local language or not?)

It is based on the Lefts avowed belief that not only are all cultures equally acceptable but that they can be transplanted unaltered to other circumstances and remain viable as though the success of cultures are not influenced by the circumstances under which they reside.

It has always seemed to me that cultures evolve, much like species evolve, based on what works the best toward the cultures benefit and survival. (I speak here of micro-evolution with which the Right has no objection and not macro-evolution). True, there is no hardwired mechanism such as DNA to drive cultural evolution but the fact remains that while cultures survive they are, de facto, successful and those that fail do so when the circumstances under which they succeeded have changed. I expect human intelligence plays a role. People tend not to engage in practices from which they fail to receive satisfaction.

I don’t mean to imply that it is necessarily the cultures ‘fault’ but it can be. Think Easter Island. Neither do I believe that all cultural aspects are matters of survival but they too can be. The point is that successful cultures succeed under extant circumstances and will continue to do so while that culture and those circumstances remain as they are. Since circumstances are subject to change beyond that cultures control, the culture itself must remain open to changes that accommodate those changing circumstances.

Much of our current culture has been influenced by changing circumstances, not least of which are the demographic changes from immigration. The foods we eat, the words we employ, the music we listen to , the observances we practice all have changed by absorbing those from immigrant cultures, but we have not changed to accommodate all aspects of those cultures. Mostly those cultures changed to accommodate ours because ours is the one that has succeeded here in our circumstances.

We can not expect nor should we seek to accommodate other cultures in there entirety, just those aspects that maintain or advance our own success and well being as well as theirs now that they are here and within the constraints of all of our changing circumstances. Nor can we pick and choose which cultural aspects to assimilate ahead of time. It, like evolution, is a process of natural selection

Rob
It's a waste of time responding to Lilly. Either she's absent, or if she's present, she's too obtuse to get the point anyway.

And Super Bowl 42 will be played in Arizona.

Ray
Nice post

Rob
Super Bowl 42 will be in Arizona. It promises to be a short trip for Donovan McNabb from his off-season home to the game. Which he will win. This is the year, Dukester. E-A-G-L-E-S! Say it with me! We're gonna sweep the NFC East and send the Cowgirls packing again! After the Phillies win the World Series this year, that will be the icing on the cake! Wahoooo

Sorry
Got a little carried away with the remark about the Phillies and now reality is setting back in. See ya in Arizona!

Icedog...
Thanks for the kind and encouraging words. I try to make my points respectfully and avoid name-calling but, (so therefore?), I do not get often get responses.

Unmeltable Ethnics
As Michael Novak so brilliantly described in one of his books, there are some aspects of ethnic heritage that are not subjected to the "melting pot" of America. These are what he called "unmeltable ethnics" and, as Dr. Sowell so deftly explains, they are worth preserving. While some prevailing ethnicity claims - the "cradle of man," "the legacy of __________" (fill in the blanks as you choose), et cetera - are best checked at the door, others deserve to live on. Those aspects of any culture that are worth remembering - dignity, honor, loyalty and the like - should be cherished "as long as the grass grows and the wind blows."

As only a rare few are able, Dr. Sowell has turned a (well-deserved) vacation into something meaningful and worth savoring...and a wonderful lesson for us all.

Cheers,

Ron Albright

http://www.ronalbright.com

Sowell making complex points
... again. Seems to be a little too much for some readers.

It's easily possible to make the simpler point that children aren't taught political geography in America's schools any more, without adding that this may be an attempt to coddle them in their "birth" cultures.

That master of satire, lilly, refers superficially to individual learning styles as a possible explanation for why the Navajo boys Dr. Sowell met couldn't locate Pittsburgh. Possibly they had been exposed to Pittsburgh in passing, at some point in their school careers, but because they don't pick up on things through the method by which Pittsburgh was presented, it didn't stick.

At one time we had a remedy for that, however, and the vast majority of students were well served by it. Here's how it worked: by the time I was in fourth grade, I was expected to be able to take a blank map of the United States -- with state boundaries, major rivers, and mountain ranges depicted on it -- and label the following, from memory:

1. The name of every state, spelled correctly.

2. The capital city and the largest city (or other major city if the first two were the same) of each state.

3. The names of the six largest rivers, annotating the river depicted on the map.

4. The names of the four major mountain ranges, annotating each range depicted on the map.

5. The names of the oceans and countries bordering the United States.

I know I had to do this in fourth grade because I still have a test from fourth grade, with Mrs. Anderson, that took exactly this form. (My mother kept it in a box in the garage for years, because, well, she's my mother.)

In fifth and sixth grade, I had to learn and demonstrate knowledge of similar information about the other continents. Asia was a lot easier then, when there was still a Soviet Union.

I was in these grades in 1968-71 -- not 1890. Yes, remembering which one was Vermont and which New Hampshire was a pain. But I did it -- and so did dozens of other children who were in the same schools I attended (three different ones in those three years, in Oklahoma, Virginia, and Texas; Dad was in the Navy). I was hardly a prodigy. EVERYONE was able to master these facts and "regurgitate" them in the manner described.

I suspect solicitude for Navajo culture is only RELATED to the real, primary reason why the boys Sowell met had never been expected to learn where Pittsburgh is. It's not because knowledge of Pittsburgh might be a pollution of a native culture, but because deliberately cultivated knowledge of ANYTHING objective and irreducible, like the location of a major American city, is considered an oppressive goal for children today.

Somehow, I bet those Navajo boys can declaim like nobody's business on the subjective topics of self-esteem, racial discrimination, and the harm (the white) man does to the environment. What difference does it make where Pittsburgh is?

CVN65
I usually agree with you...but the Eagles? Come on...I thought you were going to say it would be a short trip from the field to injury rehab for Donovan "Glass Jaw" McNabb.

When the Eagles can match the Cowboy's FIVE SB trophies come on back :)

dyerje
Thank you for your post...I'm about 9-10 years younger than you, but I remember the same test.

In comparison, this year in school, my 10th grade son spent 4 weeks studying "American Imperialism" in his US History class, but his class has never heard of Thomas Paine or Patrick Henry.

Our generation should feel like the son who is given a highly successful business by our father and within 2-3 years it is bankrupt.



Ray
Fair enough, you make a good point that is reasonable and sound. In this case however, we don’t even approach the level of reasoning you’ve proscribed. For example, how old are the boys? That fact alone makes a great deal of difference. Just how “bright” were they? There teacher was there giving the tour. What was his character like? It’s very likely that he is an avowed conservative and fan of Sowell. After all, he was giving him a personal tour. Were the boys kidding around or were they shy? Possibly they were a ‘rough-and-tumble’ pair that hated school and wanted nothing more than to be out door. In light of this cascade of questions it should be obvious what a giant hole there is in Sowell’s premise. That is the reason I made my initial comment.

Icedog and Rob: Yes, let us say that you are right about Sowell’s point. Why then would he use an incident that is quite possibly not an example of the threat of multi-culturalism? It could be that age has robbed him of his faculties, that he is a lazy or inept writher or that he wants to advance his ideology and the truth is inconsequential in that matter. In short, if your concern is the geographic illiteracy of the two boys, you have no good reason to assume it has anything to do with multi-culturalism.

Lolo and Icedog: This is not really the forum to discuss off topic issues. I assure you that the topic will soon arise somewhere and I will discuss it freely. I will say that Doug Giles is an example. Also Lolo, you are right about a reaction against the secularists. All I can say is that no atheist has ever knocked on my door to preach or complained about my shrine to Mary in my yard. I have lost count of the number of Christians who have.

Lillly Lilly Lilly Leggs
Please keep up with your silly rantings.

Icedog
You would be the age of my younger sisters, then, who also had to pass this kind of test.

I knew you were "good troop" from previous commentary, but now I see you're a fellow Cowboys fan. Good job! Pickings have been slim lately for us LIFELONG Cowboys fans... but the coaster's gonna roll again.

Jimmy Carter
Dont forget the Amish too...

and the..
...aborigines.

MikeR:
Okay, I appreciate you acknowledging my point. But I believe you are stretching a bit:

“For example, how old are the boys? That fact alone makes a great deal of difference.”

The boys were adolescents.

“Just how “bright” were they?”

Bright enough to be described by Dr. Sowell as bright. How bright do they have to be to retain such knowledge.

“There teacher was there giving the tour. What was his character like? It’s very likely that he is an avowed conservative and fan of Sowell. After all, he was giving him a personal tour.”

As I read the column, the teacher had the boys out on a bicycle tour and had no prior association with Dr. Sowell.

“Were the boys kidding around or were they shy? Possibly they were a ‘rough-and-tumble’ pair that hated school and wanted nothing more than to be out door.”

The boys are described as “positive” and they were a “group” not a “pair”.

None of which proves they were never taught in which state Pittsburg and Philadelphia reside as Dr. Sowell believes is most likely but neither does it constitute a giant hole in that premise.

Hasty Generalization.

I am a bit torn. In the simplest sense, I find it is true that most young people do not have a good grasp of any of the social sciences, especially geography. So I do find it sad that these young men couldn't place Philadelphia or Pittsburgh in a state. I also find it sad that many students from the best schools are little better prepared in terms of geography. This failure has NOTHING to do with multiculturalism

On the other hand, for Sowell to take this simplest of issues and generalize about their entire educational experience is ludicrous. So I am sad as well that people seem to think what Sowell wrote was somehow insightful or wise when it was in fact a hasty generalization with little merit.

On the third hand, Sowell is probably using this little interchange as a way to open up a discussion of multi-culturalism in general. If that's the case, then he really should provide something beyond a gross generalization based on an unsupported supposition.

Sowell has no way of knowing whether any particular fact was or wasn't taught. He only knows that a certain person didn't know the answer to a question. In a very similar way, Icedog writes that Patrick Henry or Thomas Paine were never mentioned in his American History class.

Icedog really doesn't know this. He knows only that his son (who might have a particular interest in agreeing with Dad) says Tom Paine was not mentioned. I would not be at all surprised to find that they were. What book was used? Can icedog be sure the teacher never mentioned these two?

It's a legitimate question. I know for a fact that students, even very bright college students, can be told X over and over again, but will later complain they didn't know anything about X.







Mike R: Questions:
You stated:
"The only ideology I oppose is the attempt by some to ram their religion down my throat or establish a de facto national religion."

So you are open to any other ideology? Like radical interpretations of the Muslim religion who vow to convert by the sword all infidels (of which I understand, put atheists at the top of the list above Jews and Christians)?

How about the ideology of NAMBLA, or of Communist China, or the KKK? Oh, BTW, the only reason atheists have not knocked on your door about your shrine to the virgin Mary is that it's in your back yard, not your front yard.

I'm reminded
of my first grade class-all black.
Ms Huang ( we thought she was black also, until I looked at the picture some 10 years later)greeted us one morning on St.Patrick's day with the statement, "...did we all remember to wear something green today"?
Next moment...confusion!
Looking around the class, wondering if there was something we had or had not done, is a moment that I will never forget-In fact I'll have to read this column again; I was that distracted.
I wonder to this day if Ms Huang gave up-especially when her attempted explanation of St. Paddy's day was met with a certain..."WHAT are you talking about..."!
Cultural Heritage...Indeed!

Ray
Ok, you’re right. I was loose with the details, but you summed it up in your last paragraph. There is no strong proof. You provided a good line of reasoning on your initial post but I have no reason to believe that any of that occurred to Sowell. He is blithely discounting the truth in favor of the message. This is a technique favored by demagogues such as Al Sharpton or hucksters like Michael Moore. I’ll grant that the event happened just as described, but it doesn’t prove the thesis at all.

The flash: You misunderstood. icedog had questioned why I oppose all conservative ideology. I answered that don’t except for theocratic ones. All the ideologies you listed are not conservative and therefore not considered as part of the question and answer.

I was surprised . . . .
. . . my daughter was married to a Navajo gentleman and lived on the rez for a while. I visited there often, and was surprised when I spoke to her husband's sister one day. She was a college educated person and had no idea what "gerrymandering" meant. I had asked if the voting districts on the rez were "gerrymandered" so that the Navajo population could never negt a majority. Instead of realizing what I had sais, she went into a diatribe of how Navajos "are the first Americans" and have the right to vote, etc., etc., completely missing my point.

However, I don't think such a lack of education is reserved to any one ethnic group. When I was discussing WWII and the nazis at work one day with average middle-class people, I was shocked to have a younger person ask who the nazis were. She was in her 20's and had never heard of them.

I think our4 educational system is found wanting----and badly at that. And all this teaching of multiculturalism and sex education and global warming is NOT helping children get the general education that they need. It's a sad state of affairs.

As usual though, Dr. Sowell has much insight, and if his column produced this debate, then it seems to be it's a good thing.

Jack
Although I do agree with you that it would take more elaboration for Sowell to make a more solid case here, and those who don't start out agreeing with his basic premise can point to a want of facts -- I also have to observe again that merely showing that something was mentioned to students is not conclusive evidence that it was "taught."

Many things are mentioned to all of us that we don't remember. However, the premise of teaching, per se, is that things will be more than mentioned to us. That, in fact, we will be required to prove at some point that we remember them, and know why we do so.

Interpreting Icedog's complaint as literally asserting that Thomas Paine was never mentioned has the appearance of deliberately focusing on semantics to imply that his argument is weak. I'd bet that Paine is indeed "mentioned" in most, if not all, of the American history textbooks in use today. The question, though, is what teachers prioritize, emphasize and require students to remember -- in a word, what they TEACH, as opposed to what students may be merely exposed to over the course of a K-12 education.

Without it being prioritized and emphasized in my grade-school education, I would not have gained mastery of the idea of a map, where the states lie in relation to each other, which states the major cities are in, where rivers and lakes are, and so forth. Merely mentioning the concepts or names of such things to me would have done nothing at all to embed them in my memory. I had to spend time manipulating the ideas in my own mind, which included what is now denigrated as "rote" memorization.

It is impossible to intuit, deduce, or creatively arrive at your own solution to the question of where Pittsburgh is. You just have to KNOW. Students do not end up KNOWING such things if memorizing and demonstrating mastery of them, in the context of an abstract vehicle like a map, is not emphasized in their instruction. But when such emphasis occurs, the great majority of students DO end up knowing such things, in a manner they can communicate to others.

"Multiculturalism," per se, is probably not the culprit here. Rather, I believe it is the animus against memorization and practical mastery that has characterized the education community for several decades. That animus has sprung from the same basic idea that multiculturalism did, however; the two can be related.

Crack an anti-memorization educator and you'll find a seabag of ideas that, for example, it is oppressive to original thought for children to have to memorize things; and that it is oppressive to anyone to have to memorize them in the systematic and categorical fashion favored by Europeans (e.g., locating Pittsburgh on a "map," rather than simply happening upon the name "Pittsburgh" and having a vague notion that it is a city, which probably looks sort of like your "city").

Sowell hasn't made his best case here, but he is right in implying that American education is not doing what we should expect of it when it doesn't require adolescents to know, for sure, where Pittsburgh is. If students had been taught where Pittsburgh is, they would know. Students know and remember all kinds of things -- IF they've been TAUGHT them, and not just been passively present when facts and names flashed by them. The choice of what to make students learn DOES define a culture; and there's no question that students learn what's emphasized to them.

Students
Mayhaps the lads were absent from school the day that the subject was taught

Triggering a thought...
I quote: 'except for those who make a career out of keeping grievances alive'.

Now why do the names Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson spring to mind?

Another bulls-eye for Dr. Sowell
Dr. Sowell has scored another bulls-eye, noting that the multiculturalists treat other cultures like "museum exhibits."

How true. Multiculturalism reduces human beings to mere curios, and makes a joke of the ideal that we should maximize our human potential. Multiculturalism -- which is an idiotic celebration of "diversity" for all the wrong reasons -- tries to impose cultural stagnation on its subjects, and leaves them at a disadvantage in the modern world.

Isn't it ironic that those pushing this regressive hoax call themselves "progressives"?


Dyerje: Yes and No
I agree that Sowell is using the circumstance (which may or may not have really happened) to make a point. But I think he made quite an ill considered choice for his entry point into the discussion. There is no lack of anecdotal evidence that the problem extends far beyond the Navajo community. Poor little res boys, ill served by their hippie type teachers.

As far as Ice Dog goes, I do not disagree with you. But if you are correct, then I have an even bigger problem. Too much of what passes for discussion is merely a case of battling perceptions. If he meant that Tom Paine was simply not emphasized enough, then say that! Don't waste energy creating a faulty impression which some other person will then repeat, and the tale will grow in the telling.

Too many people have developed their positions without reference to facts or evidence of any sort or worse, with reference to completely false information. In another thread, a co-discussor claimed that 90% of all college economists are avowed socialists. It's absurd, but he believed it because it fit his perceptions.

I think the difference between educational philosophies is worth discussing. I went to Catholic schools, and there was no shortage of memorization, believe me. In fact, classroom punishments were meted out in the form of having to write the times tables over and over again. 15 sets of the times tables up to the 12's changes your entire mental structure. And it was a great help in life.

My kids, however, went to a very progressive catholic school until 8th grade and never learned to compute. They had a bizarre math program even I couldn't understand, and I am pretty math literate. I never trusted it. Then, in 9th grade, one kid started doing calculus all by himself. A son who hated Math throughout high school and never did advanced courses decided he needed calculus in his senior year in college and waltzed through it. Another signed up for a Physics course as a Freshman in College and aced it, without any of the standard prep. The math program was incredibly effective at teaching them how higher level math worked, but they still can't multiply 8X6.

We can have plenty of debate about methods and strategies. But it should be based on data and evidence. Claims which have no merit should be rejected by everyone. People have claimed students are studying global warming too much. There's no evidence of that. People claim they are wasting time in sex education. There is no evidence of that. People claim it's the fault of multi-culturalism. There is no evidence of that. Or the gay agenda. No evidence. Or whatever makes the right wing froth at the mouth.

The deeper problem is that these talking points obscure any real discussion about what is or isn't happening in education.



Multiculturalism=Balkanization
Multiculturalism holds that all cultural expressions are equally worthy of respect.

This is blatant nonsense, believable only if one has first been hoodwinked by the successful obfuscation of the difference between respect for the right to an opinion and respect for the opinion itself. By this reasoning, it can be extrapolated that if using the public streets as toilet facilities is part of one’s culture, then this should be “respected”.

The process of assimilation encouraged retention of the positive aspects of a particular culture, while discarding the negative. The continued incorporation of these positive aspects into the general society gave it the open, dynamic quality that has always been one of our chief assets.

Enter the multiculturalists. In encouraging the various ethnic groups to retain their "authenticity", what they're actually doing is encouraging these groups to retain the dirty bath water along with the baby. Furthermore, they’re trying to convince all concerned that the historical grievances that contaminate this bath water are to be nurtured instead of consigned to the sewer where they belong.

Where would we be today if the early waves of immigrants—many from European countries that had fought one another for centuries--had been similarly encouraged?

Students are not studying anything too
much. I have taught at college, high school, and middle school levels. At the middle school and high school level it’s very difficult to teach anything because the teacher spends so much time trying to get the disruptive students to sit down and shut up. At one school, I was not even allowed to say, “sit down and shut up.” At the college level, the challenge is to get the students to show up and/or wake up.

Afsarge
My point (or the one I think you are referring to since I have several posts to this thread) is that the fourth paragraph of Sowell's article suggests that the Navajo kids' education emphasized to Navajo-related material to the detriment of more general knowledge. But Sowell doesn't tell us his evidence for this, does he? He just hints at "the most likely explanation [for not knowing about Philadelphia]". Did he survey the entire curriculum? He doesn't tell us. Is he qualified to judge what percent of that curriculum should be US geography, what percent should be arithmetic, and what percent should be Navajo culture? He doesn't tell us.

Instead, he does what conservative writers on townhall do a whole lot, and that is drop vague hints and innuendoes that will fan the flames of conservative outrage. I gather that this is the purpose of townhall---to keep the Republican base p***** off so they will keep emailing Congressmen and boycotting liberal businesses and all that other good stuff they do. So in that sense, Sowell is doing the job he's paid to do. But he hasn't really given us enough of a fair explanation of what goes on in a Navajo school for us to KNOW, repeat K-N-O-W, about that subject. All he has done is jump to a conclusion and drop a hint, and his readers (as usual) have grabbed the ball and are running with it.

To dyerje
Thirty years ago when I was teaching in a public high school in Maryland, one day a social studies teacher came into the faculty room and collapsed in an attitude of frustration and discouragement. Here is what had happened: as she was saying (to her class) the phrase "There has never been a European war in which..." when she realized she was seeing blank faces. It occurred to her that the kids didn't know what she meant by "a European war". So she had each of the thirty kids come up to her desk and locate for her, on a globe, Europe. Only eight students were able to show her where Europe was. And she said she thought they didn't really understand WHAT Europe was.

This wasn't Special Ed or an alternative program or something like that---it was an average class, senior high school, suburb of Washington DC, mid-1970's. The students were predominantly upper middle-class white, about 5% black, a few incoming immigrants---mostly Middle Eastern, Vietnamese, and Korean at that time. In other words, this wasn't a disadvantaged neighborhood---nice homes were the rule, most families were fairly intact, many kids were church-involved, and these kids had had many advantages.

Had anyone ever taught them where Europe was? I think it's likely. Were the teachers competent? That's likely too---I know that nobody got hired in that system without a Master's and everybody I knew for the ten years I worked there was highly motivated to convey information---we weren't a real touchy-feely school. And most of the teachers I worked with were very hard workers.

So: the Navajo kids couldn't do Philadelphia, and my friends' students couldn't do Europe, and plenty of kids in our US schools are out to lunch about almost everything they are learning---or aren't learning. It's tempting to look for an easy explanation. "Too much focus on ethnicity" is one such. "Liberal teachers" and "no school prayer" are a couple more. In fact, the subject is complicated.

MikeR
If it is off topic then why did you post it? You opened the door and I stuck my foot in it. Please cut and paste where Doug Giles has ever advocated state religion, also provide links and docs. As to the Christians showing up at your door....BALONEY!!!!!

Lilly
The point of this article is showing another of the problems with our education system. This is no secret, whether we focus on these boys cirriculum or not. The glaring fact is our system is failing our children and doing them a disservice. When they consistently lag behind other countries in the basics, there is a problem. And while our system is in a stranglehold by the teacher unions, nothing ever changes. The answer of "more money" doesn't fix the problem. I can keep putting new paint jobs on my car but until I fix the engine, it still won't run properly. The point here is that while the school is making sure they are getting their dose of multiculturism, they are lacking in things like geography. If Johnny can't read,write or add, all the multiculturism in the world won't help him get a job. That is the problem.

afsarge
I again implore you not to engage the mentally challenged. These libs post mearly to irritate and not to engage in discussion. Their parallel universe is not based in real;ity

Lolo
I did not open the door, I was responding to direct question about my character. Some people here attack the character of a dissenter instead of confronting the issue. Now instead of archiving Doug Giles, how about if I cut and past my comment instead?

“establish a de facto national religion”

That means, using a religious precept as rationale for passing law or engaging in an attempt to legislate morality.

Perhaps it’s different where you live, but I live in an urban neighborhood. On a regular basis, about 3 times a month, someone comes on my porch to proffer their religion. The Mormons are nice boys and they never get pushy, but the Jehovahs do. They always take time to point out my idol worship. The neighborhood also has several evangelical churches that we call “store front” churches. These folks often say they just want to chat or let you know of some event. Some offer 5 minute bible lessons or ask a question like “If you were to die today, do you know where you would end up?”

Here’s an interesting thought: you accuse me of fabricating what is actually a common story yet you accept the vagaries of Sowell as gospel. They say people believe what they want to believe, but I always thought there was more to character than that.

Too lazy to check
From Sowell's article:

"The most likely explanation was that they were being taught other things, things considered 'relevant' to their life and culture on the reservation."

Why didn't Sowell find out what was being taught to the Navajo kids before writing his article? (I think I know: Sowell was "on vacation", so why bother).

It's time to retire, Thomas. You basically have retired, at this point you are just collecting paychecks.


Jack: Yes and No
I agree, the difference in educational philosophies is well worth discussing. I would only make a couple of observations here:

1. Your examples of arithmetic computations versus calculus and physics imply that knowing the multiplication tables is a building block for understanding the concepts of calculus and physics. I would argue, however, that this is not the case. I could have done as well in calculus and physics without having memorized the multiplication tables in grade school as I did WITH that background. Learning the multiplication tables served the purposes of enabling me to perform basic arithmetic functions I continue to use daily, and of being a good mental exercise. I didn't find knowing 9x7 to be a specific prerequisite for working effectively with, say, the expression -9.8 kg/sec/sec.

2. The ability to memorize and perform, however, is applicable to many areas of life. lilly writes about high schoolers from 30 years ago who couldn't find Europe on a map, and suggests that they had assuredly been taught where Europe was. Probably so, in some sense; but had they been required by their fifth-grade teachers to fill in a blank map of Europe with the names of countries, as I was by Mrs. Burgess? Did their sixth-grade teachers have "globe drill" for each student in turn, as Mr. Dovalina did? He would set his classroom globe spinning, and each student was required to stop it and find a country named at random within 20 seconds -- then 15 -- then (for the high-fliers) five.

As you say, we are not all talking about the same thing when we throw terms and expressions around, and quite a number of flare-ups might be averted if we'd at least define our terms up front. When lilly and I say someone was "taught" to locate things on maps, it seems likely we are referring to different levels of effort and outcome. No one, not even the most recalcitrant boy, came out of Mr. Dovalina's class not knowing where Europe was. But I can understand how that might happen if students aren't required to demonstrate an understanding of and participatory proficiency at generic map-reading, and a basic knowledge of where the continents fall on earth.

(I should note that the sailors who entered the Navy in the last ten years of my 20-year career -- I retired three years ago -- had clearly never been required to spend time and mental effort on relating to the earth through maps, whether geophysical or political. My senior enlisted personnel had to give them remedial training in elementary map-reading, and things like the names and locations of foreign countries, as well as in grammar, punctuation, spelling, and organized writing.)

A final point is that, to mirror an excellent discussion going on over at Walter Williams' column today, you are treating normative assertions as positive ones in your penultimate paragraph, in which you say:

"Claims which have no merit should be rejected by everyone. People have claimed students are studying global warming too much. There's no evidence of that. People claim they are wasting time in sex education. There is no evidence of that. People claim it's the fault of multi-culturalism. There is no evidence of that. Or the gay agenda. No evidence. Or whatever makes the right wing froth at the mouth."

With regard to people claiming students are studying global warming too much, it is impossible to present "evidence" of that in the sense you mean. Saying something is being studied "too much" is a normative assertion that expresses an OPINION, just as saying that that same thing is NOT being studied "too much" is an OPINION.

My brother and sister-in-law would say Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth has been shown an inappropriate number of times (twice in a month) by an inappropriate person (the music teacher) to their two grade-school children. Are they "wrong" about this, or "right"? What is your "evidence" for either assertion? If I added that the music teacher required students to draw polar bears stranded on icebergs, and write about their feelings at being cut off from larger ice formations, would that constitute additional "evidence"? If so, for what?

I haven't found either the right or the left to be consistently clearheaded and specific in these matters. I recall reading the work of a right-wing writer who proposed to "debunk" the "myth" that Iraq is another Vietnam, and thinking, Oh, great, another writer calling a difference of analytical opinion a case of "myth" vs. "fact."

But it's hardly only the right that engages in this sloppy labeling. To say that there's "no evidence" that schools are wasting time on sex education curricula is merely to express the OPINION that, given your unspoken premises and criteria, it doesn't look that way to you. There is no single, objective standard for what constitutes wasting time. You must assume opinion as objective fact before even applying the concept of "evidence" to a normative assertion, like when there's too much -- or not too much -- of something.

lilly

U sud hav ben my eglish taecher.

Verifying Sowell's assertion
I live in Alaska, where none of our Natives live on reservations. We missed the reservation train and that's a good thing. However, many Alaskan Natives live in villages for at least part of their lives. The schools are supported by the State of Alaska. Teachers are incredibly well-paid (that's the only way most "white" people will agree to go live in a village). I'll use Bethel as an example. It's a fishing community with a fairly nice standard of living for a Native village. It has a "large" school district comparatively speaking. It actually produces some of its own teachers. So, a decade ago or so the school district came up with this "marvelous" idea -- let's teach all the elementary students in Yupik (the local Native language). They don't teach English at all in grades K-6. In junior high/high school students are re-immersed in English, but not forced to speak it in school. What is the outcome? Well, there's been a significant drop in the number of students able to successfully transition to University of Alaska and about 30 percent of seniors can't pass the graduating qualifying exam. Bethel has asked (and been turned down at last report) to have the test administered in Yupik. Yeah, English wouldn't happen to be a useful language to know when trying to get a job somewhere in the United States.

Friends who have worked out in the villages tell tales of being told to teach math and science based upon things like wood cutting and caribou hunting. These are worthy things, but the problem is that the students never seem to be able to translate those skills to more real-life examples, like how to pay their rent on an apartment in Fairbanks when they move here to get a job.

What they're doing is creating a generation of young Natives who will be unable -- not just unwilling, but unable -- to leave the village. The "white" (by this I mean all non-Natives) people of Alaska already pay a lot of money toward supporting villages that are unable to support themselves. Every year we hear increased whining about how they need help paying their fuel bills, food bills, etc., etc. We pay all of their education costs. Villages do not collect property taxes. The feds pay their health care costs. Natives get large dividends from their Native Corporations which have been given oil and gas leases and lots of government money to invest. Yet, they don't, as a rule, pay into the system that supports them. But this generation of village Natives coming up won't be able to work in the high-tech fields of oil and gas -- not many manuals for oil rigs written in Yupik or Enupiat. The "grand notions" of today are breeding de facto reservations for tomorrow and their very own people are doing it to them.

I think that's very sad! We missed the reservation error by luck, and now the Natives themselves are enslaving their own people with grand, but ultimately unworkable ideas to "save" their culture.

I spent a number of years
Working on the Navajo Nation as a Nurse-Midwife, and may have even delivered one or more of those kids. My first question would be why anyone asked them where Pittsburg is, what did they have to do with anything? They should have asked where Kaibeto, Chilchinbeto, or Lukachukai is.
There could be many reasons for their failure to answer correctly, including pulling someone's leg. Or shyness might have kept them from a correct answer.
All of that being said, education is in big trouble in this country. this headline is cut and pasted from Dr. Ralph Maughan's site, http://www.forwolves.org, please note he is a college professor at Idaho State University.
http://wolves.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/rocky-barker-says-salmon-have-swimmed-back-into-the-consciousness-of-idahoans/

"Salmon have swimmed"?????

natives
i am a 34 y old native american, hs graduate, trade school educated and i am now an union electrician. fully assimilated. i grew up in minneapolis and am a product of public school systems. i would just like to say that for three years 4 thru 6th grades our family moved to my fathers reservation in nothern mn. it was the greatest times of my life. fishing, wandering the woods, canoeing, biking, whatever is was there was fun 2 b had every season. school was a blur i remeber tapping my feet looking outside anticipating release. native children have a sense of identity and unusual amounts of freedom and responibilty. i find it amusing sowell put together a profile of sorts from a 60 sec. encounter. let them be kids, dont pop quiz em in the hot sun and expect them 2 care about anything but next adventure. also very few indians actually recieve casino profits we work like everyone else theres always a post about how were rich indians, nothing could b farther from truth. i wonder how many of these philosphers on indian life have actually met a native american. wacthin dances with wolves or an adam beach movie does not count.
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