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Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
A War of Words
by Thomas Sowell
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It has long been recognized that those on the political left are more articulate than their opponents. The words they choose for the things they are for or against make it easy to decide whether to be for or against those things.

Are you for or against "social justice"? A no-brainer. Who is going to be for injustice?

What about "a living wage"? Who wants people not to have enough money to live on?

Then there is "affordable housing" and "affordable health care." Who would want people to be unable to afford to put a roof over their heads or unable to go to a doctor when they are sick?

In real life, the devil is in the details. But the whole point of political rhetoric is to make it unnecessary for you to have to go into the specifics before taking sides.

You don't need to know any economics to be in favor of "a living wage" or "affordable housing." In fact, the less economics you know, the more you can believe in such things.

Conservatives, on the other hand, have a gift for phrasing things in terms that are unlikely to arouse most people's interest, much less their support.

Do words like "property rights," "the market" or "judicial restraint" make your emotions surge and your heart beat faster?

There are serious reasons to be greatly concerned about all these things. But you have to have a lot more facts and more understanding of history, economics, and law before you see why.

An issue can be enormously important and well within most people's understanding. Yet the way words are used can determine whether people are aroused or bored.

One of those issues is what legal scholars call "takings." There is a masterful book with that title by Professor Richard Epstein of the University of Chicago Law School.

But if you are in a bookstore and see a book with the title "Takings" on its cover, are you more likely to stop in your tracks and eagerly snatch it off the shelf or to yawn and keep walking?

Takings are not a complex idea. But it needs explaining.

Let's suppose you live in a $400,000 house.

If, on a Wednesday afternoon, the government announces that it is planning to "redevelop" the area where your home is located -- that is, demolish the area so that something else can be built there -- by Thursday morning, your $400,000 house could become a $200,000 house.

The market reacts very quickly in anticipation of future events.

Several years later, when the government actually gets around to demolishing the area, they may offer you $200,000 for your property -- or perhaps $150,000, if they use an appraiser who knows that he is more likely to get more business from the government if his estimates are on the low side rather than the high side.

In either case, you are out at least a couple of hundred grand. Has the government "taken" that much from you, without paying you the full compensation for your property, as required by the Constitution of the United States?

Such theoretical questions were made vividly real, and people were vividly outraged, when the Supreme Court in 2005 declared that governments at all levels had the power to seize private property, not only for such government activities as building reservoirs or highways, but also for turning the property over to private developers to build shopping malls, casinos, or whatever.

The Constitution says that government can take private property for "public use" if it compensates the owner. The Supreme Court changed that to mean that the government could take private property just to turn over to others, so long as they called it a "public purpose" like "redevelopment."

Politicians are experts at rhetoric, especially if that is all that is needed to justify seizing your home and turning it over to someone else who will build something that pays more taxes.

All hell broke out, once people now understood that the issue called "takings" was about politicians being able to seize their property, virtually at will, for someone else's benefit. But it was a liberal court decision, not the words of conservatives, which created that understanding.

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Liberals have REDEFINED so many words
I say we 'tell it like it is.'
Choice is really abortion.

But then, so have some RINOs:
Amnesty is 'path to citizenship.'

The list (and thoughts of it) are making me ill.

the poor and ignorant...


The left needs the poor and ignorant in order to stay in power.

I am convinced that is why the left needs to import the poor masses from Mexico.

It may also explain why they refuse to accept the changes that are needed to improve our public school systems.

They are easily swayed by such rhetoric. It sounds seductive...vote for me and I will take from the devilish rich to help you...and the poor buy into it wholeheartedly.

So which party really wants to help the poor??? The Democrats HAVE to have the poor in order to survive. Thus, they don't benefit from the poor escaping poverty.

The problem for Republicans, however, is to open the eyes of the impoverished.

Euphemisms work ..
.. when our society has given up on the need for moral consistency.

Most conservatives think that it is ONLY the leftists who have given up on moral consistency. While that may be true, we conservatives should be introspective enough to check our own premises.

My contention is that it is the link between religion-inspired sentiments and politics that sets us up for failure in the consistency department.

Examples:

* Conservatives believe in charity - but believe that welfare is anathema

Is it any wonder that we conservatives cannot mount a moral defense against a politician (of either stripe) who extols the virtues of Universal Health Care? I mean, it has such a noble and charitable sound!

Apply the same yardstick to platitudes such as "No Child Left Behind". Doesn't it just sound noble? You have to be really, really heartless to oppose such a well-intentioned measure ..

And, don't get me started on a "living wage" which is such a virtuous way of declaring their intentions of raising the minimum wage without basing it on productivity.

So, we shouldn't blame the Leftists - they are merely taking linguistic advantage of our moral inconsistency.

It is time that we returned to "The United States of .. Consistency". When we do, words will regain their meaning, and euphemisms will be discarded as cheap shots.

http://voice.townhall.com

Excellent article Dr. Sowell.
And hopefully it will open the eyes of many reading your column. No matter what party.

Idea
Let's start teaching economics in school again-- that may lead to rational discussion about living wages, affordable housing, etc.

Social Studies seemed to be a waste of time and I honestly don't remember much of what we discussd in class. High Schools even require several art/PE and other classes that serve little purpose. If they would even offer economics as an elective social studies credit it would be a huge step forward.


Taking
The constitution does not say that property can be taken for public purposes. It assumes it. It says that if property is taken there must be compensation.

In support of objective meaning
Brilliant article by Tom Sowell ... again, but he overlooked one observation:

"affordable housing", "living wage", "social justice", "fair XX (my favorite)" are all words and phrases that have no objective meaning. I've given seminars on this subject. For starters, challenge anyone who uses the word "fair" in a debate to use "mutually acceptable" instead. The word "fair" is used to disarm an opponent through manipulation by guilt (unknowing people will shy away from being considered unfair). I did this to a Michigan legislator some years ago and stopped him dead in his tracks! The meanings of the example words that Tom talked about all depend upon who is ascribing the meanings ... that's subjective meaning.

Kaitlyn
The constitution says that property shall not be taken except for public use and when taken shall be justly compensated. Kelo changed that to say that taking property to increase the tax base is acceptable.

Race to the Bottom
Men in their 30s lag behind fathers in pay
Our trade and immigration policy is selling out future generations in America. Do you think Americans are waking up to this race to the bottom economic policy that is driven by cheap wages that help Multi-national Corporation at the expense of the middle class?

By The Wall Street Journal

American men in their 30s today are worse off than their fathers’ generation, a reversal from just a decade ago, when sons generally were better off than their fathers, a new study says.

The study, the first in a series on economic mobility undertaken by several prominent think tanks, also says the typical American family’s income has lagged far behind productivity growth since 2000, a departure from most of the post-World War II period.

The findings suggest “the up escalator that has historically ensured that each generation would do better than the last may not be working very well,” says the study, which is scheduled for release today.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/men-in-their-30s-lag-behind-fathers-in-pay

my 2 cents...
People are very ignorant about basic economics.

A good book I found is called "What Ever Happened to Penny Candy?" by Richard Maybury and Jane Williams.

It's a great book for anyone (young and old) who wants to learn about the origins of money, inflation, etc. - a general primer about how money works.

It is part of the Sonlight homeschool curriculum.

Redevelopment authorities have
been using what Dr Sowell describes for years. They announce grandiose plans for a particular area[ usually one they have let slide for years], the owners get stuck because no-one will buy except developers and prices decline.

A lot of that happened in the 70's in Norfolk where I lived, the dem city council through their development arm wiped out whole neighborhoods in the black community. All the little mom and pop stores went away and most folks wound up in the projects... But they still vote for the dems.Why????????When republicans get THAT figured out maybe they will win.

religious right
I think most US citizens now know that was flat wrong and that they were neither. Enought said there on who uses words? Both sides do

Pointguard missed something
in that poor masses have to be imported because the US system produces so much wealth that their complaints about how bad it is in the US sounds hollow. Why? Well, obesity is more likely a sign of living at the poverty line than of affluence. "The Poor" are likely to own more than 1 colour TV, an air conditioner, a refridgerator, indoor plumbing , electricity available 24/7 and a host of other things that only 100 years ago would have marked the extremely wealthy. Over 200 years ago, not even kings lived that well.

So when the "rabble" becomes too rich, import poorer rabble.

Fair?
The next time someone tries the "fairness arguement" , ask he, she-it, "Fair to whom? I bust my butt 40-48 hrs per week and can barely afford the shack I live in mostly because the state confiscates 35% of what I earn to support slackers who are too lazy to do it for themselves to a better standard of living than I can afford with what I have left. How is that fair to me?"

The Left's corollary to euphemism is
deconstruction, by which I mean that whenever the Left encounters any stirringly effective word or phrase used by its opponent opponents, they immediately re-interpret it as something sinister, that is, as racist, homophibic, or whatever "-ist" will get conservatives to cower back into their corners. I don't know how the Left got into the position of being able to re-define their own, and their opponents', words at will, but they have. If conservatives could somehow deconstruct deconstruction, then the political playing-field just might even out.

-Trentamj

Kaitlin1 - King 0
Kaitlin is correct and the King is wrong. How appropriate in a discussion about eminent domain. The Constitution (Fifth Amendment), regarding such takings, says only “…nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. The sovereign’s right to take private property is a feature of English Common Law, which was adopted by the United States as the foundation of its system of laws. Perhaps just as interesting is the fact that the Constitution uses only the term “public use”, not the term “public purpose”. So Kaitlin may be correct, but the King still gets to take the property!

Sarkozy Speak
The newly elected President of France seems to have gotten it right as gangs of teenage muslim thugs rampaged through the Paris suburbs burning cars.

The media and his opponent referred to them as "groups of youths". Sarko called them "scum".

Hal D., if you think that it is even
and both sides do the same to the same extent, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap! Are there demogogs on the right, certainly, but it is the prime strategy for the left to obsfucate and twist the meaning of words to avoid facing facts. Depends on the meaning of "is" was not uttered by a right-wing fanatic!

Some advice for Mr. Sowell
Your arguments would hold much more sway, Mr. Sowell, if you could refrain from these kinds of sophomoric attacks on liberals. I think that even most Republicans are aware of the fact that the right plays games with words every bit as much, if not more so, than the left.

One example ought to be enough to make my point:

Instead of attacking those who oppose the war in Iraq as not supporting the policy, you folks on the right attack them for being opposed to the troops. And, after all, who could be against those brave young men and women "fighting for our freedoms"?

Please Mr. Sowell, stop with the childish rhetoric and make your argument on it's own merits. I think you'll find that you're far more persuasive. Believe it or not, a lot of liberals hate the idea of the government taking their property too.

Phylo out.


Words
With respect to the comment, "Conservatives believe in charity - but believe that welfare is anathema," this is the correct approach. "Charity" and "welfare" are completely different. Charity is personal, private and voluntary; welfare is coerced by government at some level, in fact, at too many levels. That is the essential difference, which, if people were more "financially literate," they would understand.
I must include a "plug" for Doctor Sowell's excellent book, "Basic Economics," which should be taught to 6th graders. It is comprehensive, yet easy to understand.
As alleged by the person who posted the statement I quoted, I believe in, and practice charity, in more than one way. And, yes, I am resentful of the money that is confiscated from me by government and paid out as "welfare." It is simply a form of re-distribution of my wealth, by government bureaucrats who in no way earned that wealth, to buy votes to keep themselves in office. Redistribution of wealth was greatly favoured by a chap named Karl Marx as I recall.
I can recall a time when "being on the dole" was generally regarded as being in disgrace. I canb also recall the inception of the idea that welfare is a "right." Translation, "some people, who do not earn their own keep, have the right to be supported by people who do." That concept is, in my estimation, beneath contempt.

Leftist stupidity
Sure, leftists have some good phrases, but they also have some dumb ones. How about "no blood for oil?" If it was "no blood for pearl necklaces," I'd agree since they are a luxury. But oil isn't.

Another was calling Bush a bully for invading Iraq while saying nothing about Saddam's invasions of Iran and Kuwait.

Orwell predicted it
The rhetoric of the Left, and maybe of politicians in general, has the elements of Newspeak. Check the appendix in the back of 1984 if you have the stomach for it.

The purpose of Newspeak is to dumb language down in a manner that made unsocialistic thought unacceptable, and to twist the truth to fit the purposes of Ingsoc (English Socialism).

We aren't quite there yet, but the MSM is working on it.

Example: Bush's "eighteen words". The fact is that what he said about Iraq and yellowcake was true. British intelligence insists on it to this day. But who listens?

Everybody on the Left knows that "Bush lied, people died". Nothing else resonates. The statements of Democrat politicians, inconveniently made in the leadup to the Iraq war, have been shoved down the "memory hole". And the twenty-odd justifications for that war, listed in the authorizing resolution, are gone down the hole too.

Here's some Newspeak for you:
Bush lied, people died.
No blood for oil
Iraq unbellyfeel
Bush ungood
Rove doubleplusungood
Bush unperson

For other examples of Newspeak, check your daily newspaper.

Rich
It sounds like you wouldn't be able to even find that bridge to sell me LMAO

LIBERALS' IQ.
Most liberals are educated beyond their intelligence - thus in a conversation, suddenly, an argument from Mars arrives.
THEY SURPRISE EVEN THEIR ILK:
If we have a porous border WITH MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS/TERRORISTS GOING THROUGH, their solution is - eliminate the border!
When prisons are too crowded - let the scum out!
Police found a dead body in one's trunk? - they had no right to look there....
AND THE NONSENSE CONTINUES...........

troglodyte
Thank you for displaying your ignorance so prominently.

Troglodyte: "Example: Bush's "eighteen words". The fact is that what he said about Iraq and yellowcake was true. British intelligence insists on it to this day. But who listens?"

If you knew anything about the "sixteen words" (not eighteen), you would know that they are, in and of themselves, proof that Bush lied. You see, the reason Bush said "British Intelligence" is because the CIA was telling him that the intelligence was no good. In other words, he used the Brits as a scapegoat for saying what he wanted to say, rather than telling the American people the whole truth.

I'm sure you can find a better example of gratuitous liberal spin.

Phylo out.


Hard to beat a bumper sticker
The liberal stance is articulated in sound bites and bumper stickers. It's pretty ingenious actually--easy sell, judging by the fact that they catch on and become mantras and truths.
But MITCHELL is so right to point out that they are always subjective terms.
Just try asking a liberal sometime to actually go beyond the slogan to explain what it means in concrete terms. They can never answer questions like "how would that work..." or "how would you operationalize that..."
I have a dear friend, highly intelligent but stuck in that kind of thinking. Still chanting some of the 60's mantras... she recently opined that if mothers refused to send their sons to war, there would be peace. I aksed her how she'd go about convincing al-Qaeda moms to do that. Needless to say, the conversation (that part of it) was over and a small huff ensued.
I think the liberal way appeals to people who want everything to be simple...don't bother with the details.

re: John Konop
Regarding the "study" alleging that men in their 30s today are not as successful as their fathers, one needs to keep in mind that any such study is meaningless unless it also takes into consideration education levels, numbers of hours worked, fringe benefits, overall tax burden, and many other factors.

No wait, it is much easier to just blame everything on the immigrants and on lower taxes (tariffs). Nevermind.

The REAL bone-breakers!
AH HA! So it's NOT sticks and stones that break bones!

"TAKINGS" WAS A NEW WORD FOR ME

The first time I ever saw the word "takings" was either when reading parts of the United States Supreme Court's decision in the Kelo case, or when reading news reports re same. Now, anytime that word crops up, it is a reminder of that travesty.

It is a complete mystery that there are those who did not become incensed over that decision.

The first hope I had after that decision was that the homes of five "honorable" judges of the U.S. Supreme Court would be just the place for new Wal-Marts. I told my U.S. lawmakers about that hope, and about the fact that in my opinion the majority had something else besides brains inside their skulls (or words to that effect).

The next time the government wants to come along and take your house -- for whatever amount is considered reasonable -- so that some business enterprise can replace it, you will indeed know what the word "takings" means.

It was a new one on me, but no more.

Charity vs. Welfare
Apart from the philosophical differences, the practical effects are crucial.

Accountability - beyond the accountability of government agencies, there is (or should be) a felt accountability on the part of the beneficiary.

While the vast majority of folks know they should pay back the benefits of charity - if and when they can, how many will ever feel the same responsibility for gob'mint welfare.

Many liberal sacraments, such as welfare (gob'mint charity) seem like "great ideas" at a superficial level. Dig deeper and you find, all to often, that the "great ideas" perversly accomplish the exact opposite of the intended result.

All too often welfare fails to assist folks out of a temporary slump. Instead, it traps them in a vicious cycle that saps their God-given initiative, and creates an ever-increasing sense of entitlement.

Maybe we should have an exit strategy regarding our decades-long "War on Poverty."

Eminent Domain has had some setbacks
In the Cincinnati area, the people's rights have been upheld.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=newseminent

As long as you don't lay down, it's not over.

A war of semantics
If you control the language, you can control the argument. Redefine words, and you have the ability to set the rules for any debate.

What does a word like 'tolerance' mean now? It's no longer agreeing to disagree on something. It's no longer gritting one's teeth but still accepting something that one doesn't like. Now, it means 'acceptance.'

It's no wonder that the poster boy for left wing intellectual life is Noam Chomsky, who made his name as a linguist.

Linguistic Trickery

....."He who controls the language ...controls the populace" ...

.....Now excuse me as I go back to my job as an "Optical Enhancement Engineer" (Window Washer) .....COLOSSUS

The left needs
certain words like "investment" and "affordable housing" to cover up the fact that so much of what they stand for is government and redistribution of wealth.

Biggest laugh of the day
so far. 'Phylo' giving the Brilliant Dr. Sowell advice!

Don't stop there....
Is the politically correct dictionary bearing the fruit of a deception designed to coerce the unsuspecting because many are lazy or too busy to deal with these assaults? Yet the consequence of redefining words like discrimination, tolerance, diversity, bigotry, fear, values, and hate are successfully being used to unjustly coddle a few while discriminating against the silent majority.

More at "The Politically Correct Dictionary:
http://www.earstohear.net/Op-Eds/20070405.html

Phylo
You're jumping to a lot of conclusions. That Bush used British intelligence rather than the CIA means that Bush lied? Maybe it means that the report from British intelligence was more impressive than the one from the CIA. Maybe Israeli intelligence backed the Brits rather than the CIA. Maybe, when asked tough questions, the Brits came through the grilling better than the Americans.

The reason I say all this is because I spent a fair amount of time looking at the intelligence about Pearl Harbor. It's easy in hindsight to say that things should have been obvious, but if you put yourself in their place, things are a lot murkier.

So give Bush the benefit of the doubt, ok? If a leftist screwed up with intelligence, would you rush to say that he or she had lied? Treat Bush THE SAME WAY you would treat a leftist who got things wrong.

One way to create fair wages
is to limit illegal immigration. If you reduce the pool of unskilled labor, the demand for the labor that is here legally will create a real boost in incomes.

The hypocrisy from both left (more immigrants = more potential votes) and right (kowtowing to business interests to keep labor costs low) is sickening

Random thought
Why are there so many pushing "pre-school" as a step towards better performance when a child starts "real" school. What the heck is "Kindergarten (a German expression meaning Garden for children)" if not a "pre-school". After all, the following year is called the "1st grade".

I would say lets just start the children in school earlier, except that would just give the liberals more time with our children for their indoctrinations.

Nah! Bad idea.

Phylo
It's such a shame you weren't there to tell Bush which of the CIA's "intelligence" was absolutely false, very questionable, somewhat questionable, or exactly correct (that would be the yellowcake info, apparently the only thing the CIA got "right"). Then you could have told him which military advisers had the absolutely correct way to "win" the war in Iraq, so that he wouldn't have listened to the wrong ones.

Where were you, oh Infallible One? Because you KNEW it all and therefore YOU let the country down.

The subject is power,
so what would you expect from the elites? They will always use words that allow them to avoid being held responsible. Since the MSM enjoys access to power, they perpetuate the myths that the politicians invent.

The biggest myth sold to us is that we have no choice in our voting preferences, nowhere else to go other than the Democrats or Republicans.

As a candidate for President, I represent a direct challenge to that assumption. I have openly stated on my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG, as one of the main points of my Campaign Platform, to regularly communicate to the American people exactly what their government is doing and intends to do. It is time for a totally open approach to how we decide on public policy, but you will never get that from the elites of both parties.

Obfuscation and complexity are what guides their thoughts, and if using code words helps keep the people, who are the rightful owners of this nation, in the dark, the better for them. The two parties are so vested in acquiring and keeping power as to no longer be effective managers of the nation. They willfully ignore the Constitution, rule of law, and what we want to pursue their political agenda. They are incapable of changing and they give us entitlements and pork barrel spending, then tell us to go home and leave the rest to them.

If we elect another Democrat OR Republican in the '08 Presidential election, we will guarantee the future of the country and the inheritance we pass along to our children to be one of more big government and less personal freedom.

I urge you to visit my website and see how we can effect a change in the direction of this nation, how we can reclaim our birthright, and restore the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people as the principles by which we govern ourselves as a free people. Check it out, you won't be disappointed. Thanks, Joe

RE: boobooloo
You must be an ignorant liberal if thats how you interpreted Mr. Sowells words.

His reference to racial marriages was an indication of how far we have come from the bigotries of the pre-60s where such marriages were dispised.("Guess Who's Coming to Dinner").

And as far as the "Coup" comment, I'm sure most of us have voiced similar opinions when we view a current political environment that has become a battleground between two parties trying to maintain power for their own benefit rather than for the benefit of our nation.

Not all "military coups" are violent, bloody events. Some have aloud for normalization of the country while the political environment is changed. Especially those nations with strong constitutions. Our current 2 party system is broke, and needs repair. Money has bought too much power for a few, while the many are suffering.

I am a staunch conservative who feels neither party is currently serving the United States best interests!

"Correction"
My ignorance led to a misuse of the word aloud. Although it seems appropriate in this context, it should have been "allowed".

Thank you!

What is a lie?
It seems this point that Bush lied keeps popping up.

Lying (false statement) is a false (untrue) statement which when made at the time was known by the speaker to be untrue. Bush comment was that British Intel told us that..... That is what Brit Intel said. Accurate or not it is not a lie.

How did the lib know it was a lie? A fellow lib went to Niger and came back and reported that no one tried to get the yellow cake. This liberal, Joe Wilson, did not write a report. Did not identify who he talked to or what type of source he had. It was substantiated that he provided inaccurate testimony and his points were debunked.

This country is involved in fighting terrorism. Word games can be destructive and can seriously damage this country.


tin-foil hat wearers unite!

Someone on Townhall recently asked why articles that bear no (seeming) relation to Ron Paul frequently result in mention of his name during the discussion. The answer is that so many of our problems today can be eliminated if there were more politicians like Ron Paul. For example, if Dr. Paul were elected president you can rest assured knowing he would appoint only strict constitutionalist judges, not conservative or liberal, to the Supreme Court. That is the kind of leadership our country needs to survive and is why so many Ron Paul supporters mention his name any chance they get.

Liberty is fast becoming a naughty word in the two major political camps. Don't let them turn liberty into the L-word, support Ron Paul.

Pointguard 12:55 AM post.

My respect, my friend.

Your gift of discernment is quite amazing. But when you get THAT close to the truth, one of two things will happen. They will totally ignore you and your post, or they will come at you with all of their venom and hatred. I have noticed both here at T.H. Quite telling.

The GOP has both created and endured way too many problems lately, the lack of clear common-sense communication being one of the most glaring and painfully obvious disasters.

Ohh... to have a President Thomas Sowell.

Even if only for one term.




Voice_of_reason writes:29, 2007 12:56 AM

Euphemisms work ..
.. when our society has given up on the need for moral consistency.

My contention is that it is the link between religion-inspired sentiments and politics that sets us up for failure in the consistency department.

Examples:

• Conservatives believe in charity - but believe that welfare is anathema

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

Your obsession with Christians is blinding your objectivity. The comparison has bad facts and erroneous assumptions. For something to be moral one must abide by a code outside of ones own predilections. Christians abide by a code found in the Bible.

Is there a welfare code in the Bible? Obviously it is not found there and in fact is the antithesis of the code on charity, the reasons for charity and in fact welfare creates a false God or idol that violates the purpose of charity.

Yet contrary to the Bible, merely from ignorance not moral hypocrisy, most Christians support welfare. The largest sect is Catholic and they alone have voted 65% Democrat although they are dropping back from the high. Forget their activism in the US for welfare, just go to S.A. were all those new Hispanic Christians come from and that church is rabid about welfare and entitlements. Almost every major Protestant sect has multiple organizations pleading for unlimited welfare programs. The Black Christians vote some 92% for welfare. Hispanic and other minority Christians vote for welfare. Welfare isn’t a religion issue with Christians, they being unaware of God's commands, it is an entitlement form of giver-ment issue. Even though it violates the Bible, I don’t find them immoral for supporting welfare, because ignorance is not immoral.

Granted a few Christians are able to make the distinction between the definition of charity and welfare.

Welfare is a state entitlement program targeted to all kinds of groups including the rich (senior drugs for example) when not means tested, the poor, the old and young to buy votes and it is only a tool of giver-ment.

Clearly if the folks receiving entitlements could not vote, the giver-ment would not provide them these bribes and would shift those funds to some other vote buying program, maybe with labor unions or corporation subsidies. Politicians know exactly how many votes each dollar spent will buy.

Welfare is a political tool and something is demanded in return.

Charity is an individual tool and nothing is demanded in return. The Bible has a moral code of charity not so much to do good but to show who God is, when he is working within man. There is not bribe or quid pro quo. The recipient doesn't get angry and march with posters on your church demanding they aren't getting enough. To the contrary they understand it is unnatural to voluntarily take your hard earned labor and give freely to another. To understand what would possess a man to do such, they inquire about the motivation.

Welfare and charity are totally different words, with different dynamics and clearly any person, be they atheist, Christian, conservative, liberal, murderer, mother, etc. may or may not understand the difference and support one and not the other, both or none.

So, how about trying a more honest dialectic.

Christians and Conservatives believe in charity –but a minority of Christians and most conservatives hate entitlement bribes and vote buying programs.

Using this method you remove your underlying disdain for those hypocritical, immoral, irrational Bible thumpers that so aggitate you.

re: The King
The King wrote:

"The constitution says that property shall not be taken except for public use and when taken shall be justly compensated. Kelo changed that to say that taking property to increase the tax base is acceptable..."

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Please read the Bill of Rights again your majesty.

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html


Amendment V:
"... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."


Kaitlyn is correct. The Bill of Rights ASSUMES "Eminent Domain" based upon Common Law of England.

Amendment V does NOT say that private property shall NOT be taken EXCEPT fo public use as you assert. Rather, it says that private property shall NOT be taken FOR public use WITHOUT just compensation.


And you are wrong on Kelo. The decision in Kelo redefined "public use" to mean ANYTHING that MIGHT BENEFIT the "public". Increasing the tax base is just ONE possible "public use" under the Kelo definition. Under an Al Gore scenario, reducing a city's "carbon footprint" could ALSO be a "public use" since, *obviously*, reducing the city's carbon footprint would help stave of global warming which benefits EVERYONE (right?).

Eminent Domain
Mr.MacDonald owned a home in Long Branch,NJ for over 20 years. At the behest of real estate developers whose names are available with a little research, he was forcibly evicted by the Long Branch P.D. The sole purpose of the developers was to build million dollar condos with an ocean view.The corruption pervading this country is shared by democrats and republicans alike. Long Branch is a republican area of NJ. This corruption is so widespread that no one can rest easy and "be secure in his property". I am beginning to think that this "debate" is moving past words as a method of action. Below is a letter to a local newspaper expressing my views on the subject."Machiavelli" was the code word employed by McGreevy & his pals to pull off this "legal" theft.





----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Redner
To: eletters@starledger.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: Puppetry


What an incredibly sad tale is the saga of Mr.MacDonald, formerly of Cooper Ave. in Long Branch. On the bright side though, it does answer the question why police in New Jersey are paid at the exorbitant levels that they are despite little more than a high school diploma or college courses in ridiculous fields of study attended only by police officers or police wannabes. With nary a thought to the trashing of the US Constitution or a twinge of conscience, a man was evicted from his own house because some sleazebag politicians acting at the behest of their developer puppetmasters gave the order to do so. So much for "A man's home is his castle.". And just as the defense at Nuremberg said,"We were just following orders", our local heroes must have thought the same thing as they sat down to dinner that night." Machiavelli", indeed! Marx said "Capital" has no country". My version of that would be that corruption has no political party, especially in New Jersey.

No blood for Diamond
We need to stop exchanging blood for diamonds.

We must have a world-wide boycott of diamonds until all the workers are paid a "living" wage, have "affordable" housing, "fair" health care, "teaching" schools and "responsible" management that listens to the workers and the top manager is paid no more than twenty times the pay of the lowest worker. Along with the "right" to practice sodomy anywhere, while non-sodomy is restricted to mutually acceptable areas. Where inter-generational (pedophilia) is allowed and encouraged. Where evil Tobacco is banned, but Cannabis is subsidized.

And since no one needs a diamond, this would be painless to all, except the Liberal women when they find out that they won't be getting any more diamonds!

Highjacking words.
Another word that was highjacked is "gay", meaning happy and bright. Not bright like intelligent, but light up a room, bright. I read an article about atheist wanting to use "bright" as a word to describe themselves. They would do this to differentiate themselves from Christians. The fact that atheist would refer to themselves as bright is ridiculous. Jesus said, that those who did not believe in Him were living in darkness.

Kelo
The Court reached the correct result in Kelo, but for the wrong reasons.

The 5th Amendment applies to the US governments & not the states. I realize that courts have said that the 14th Amendment makes the Bill of Rights apply to the states through the Doctrine of Incorporation. Yet the Doctrine of Incorporation is nothing more than "substative due process" going under an alias.

Substantive due process has been used by the courts to impose their will on the nation since the time of Dred Scott. No matter what name it goes under, it is an illegitimate exercise in raw judical power & the halmark of an activist court.

Those who value the Constitution must insist on the court's following constitutional principles even when this leads to a distasteful result.


Anyone Check the News
Did anyone see what Cindy Sheehan had to say about Leftist Hypocrisy:

"I was the darling of the so-called left as long as I limited my protests to George Bush and the Republican Party. Of course, I was slandered and libeled by the right as a 'tool' of the Democratic Party." Sheehan wrote. "However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the 'left' started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used."

THE LIBERALS ARE EXPOSED BY ONE OF THEIR OWN! LOL!


Let's give it up!
For that all-time classic!

"Gun safety", not "gun control"!

Ooh-rah!

BTW, blog essay
"The Era of Constitutional Erosion", just click my name.

Very on-topic to this column.

Corbett, you're wrong on Kelo
because the SCOTUS finding depended on redefining the phrase "public use" in the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment to include increased tax revenues, as opposed to the traditional and Originalist meaning of public infrastructure such as roads, bridges, and schools.

Under your (and SCOTUS's) interpretation, nobody's home is safe, no matter where it's located.


I go into this in detail in my essay at the blog.

Georgetwin
Actually, the fact that she called them out on their hypocrisy, makes her NOT one of "theirs".

More should do the same in the Republican party, because God knows we have enough hypocrites in our own party.

language games
The irony here is that folks here including Sowell still view reality in terms of the words "right" and "left" "liberal" and "conservative" which are the most misleading words in the history of language.


Now that your all finally focusing on language, go the distance, lets get this bogus right/left liberal/conservative framework behind us, and start having real discussions.

BrianR
Yup, Brian and it's the 1st plank of the Communist Manifesto.

"1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes."

My, we should all be so proud of ourselves for allowing this BS to go on unchecked.

And folks, if you think this is the ONLY plank we have achieved, you need to google "Communist Manifesto", because we have just about achieved them ALL.

Christian welfare
fwiw:

Acts 4:32-37

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/acts/acts4.htm

32
[footnote] 6 [- see below] The community of believers was of one heart and mind, and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they had everything in common.
33
With great power the apostles bore witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great favor was accorded them all.
34
There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale,
35
and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need.
36
Thus Joseph, also named by the apostles Barnabas (which is translated "son of encouragement"), a Levite, a Cypriot by birth,
37
sold a piece of property that he owned, then brought the money and put it at the feet of the apostles.

[footnote] 6 [32-37] This is the second summary characterizing the Jerusalem community (see the note on Acts 2:42-47). It emphasizes the system of the distribution of goods and introduces Barnabas, who appears later in Acts as the friend and companion of Paul, and who, as noted here (Acts 4:37), endeared himself to the community by a donation of money through the sale of property. This sharing of material possessions continues a practice that Luke describes during the historical ministry of Jesus (Luke 8:3) and is in accord with the sayings of Jesus in Luke's gospel (Luke 12:33; 16:9, 11, 13).

Dr. Sowell
While I understand the economics you described in this article, you overlooked one important detail. On June 26, 2006, President Bush Executive Ordered this:

Executive Order: Protecting the Property Rights of the American People



White House News



By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to strengthen the rights of the American people against the taking of their private property, it is hereby ordered as follows:

"Section 1. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to protect the rights of Americans to their private property, including by limiting the taking of private property by the Federal Government to situations in which the taking is for public use, with just compensation, and for the purpose of benefiting the general public and not merely for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/
2006/06/20060623-10.html

He essentially gave back our rights protecting us from commercial profitability in the private sector, qualifying a taking only for public use.

If this has been changed or rescinded, I have not heard of such an occurrence.

my footnote
This is Christian welfare among common believers
and not state welfare.

living wage
Living wage: Just increase it to $1000.00 per hour. We will all be rich. But if somebody thinks it will be a problem. ask why. Then they will have to explain what perhaps they have previously overlooked. Simple economics.

Sieze the high ground
As usual, Doctor, an insightful commentary on another of the issues in the eternal struggle.

Conservatives, generally, seem prone to assume that intelligent people can figure it out for themselves, if a few clues are revealed. And they DO stand by while liberals grab all the best terms, don't they? ("Campaign Finance Reform", anyone?)

Conservatives expect that those who vote are, like themselves, able to consider the issues and arrive at a rational conclusion, yet these expectations are so often unmet. As for those who cannot - or will not - do their own thinking, it is easier for them to be captured by a carefully chosen appelations which entirely head off their thouoght-processes and aim to reduce their actions to merely an emotional (gut-level) resonse.

Liberals are honing this capture process daily, and conservatives are not responding agressively, so the high ground is thus siezed.


Oh Please
Conservatives are every bit as guilty at abusing language.

Conservatives just like a different tact. They co-opt words. Two words I just pointed out in a different op-ed that conservatives have co-opted are "liberal" and "feminist".

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Like the word "feminist", conservatives have worked really hard at making the word "liberal" into a dirty word.

Liberals have bemoaned the fact that in their view they allowed conservatives to hijack the work "liberal" and make it into a pejorative.

The question is this. Is the word "feminist" worth giving up for the sole purpose of making it into a pejorative like "liberal"?

My own opinion is that elevating the words "liberal" and "feminist" to bigotry status is not a valued goal. The objective of Conservatives is to elevate "Liberal" and "Feminist" to "N" word status. They want extreme, prejudice negative judgments made, not on reason, but simply a broad-brush sterotype when someone is labeled "liberal" or a "feminist". Bigotry. In other words, all one needs to know about someone is to know they are a "liberal" or "feminist" in order to make the most extreme negative judgment
against them. "
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When conservatives want nothing more than how language is used to influence judgment they make existing words into code words for evil. The don't make up new words.

Below are just five examples.

1. liberal
2. feminist
3. gay
4. atheist
5. communist
6. affirmative action
7. welfare
8. social security

When liberals come up with a word like, affirmative action, to prejudice people simply based on the language, conservatives turn right around and work to *dismiss* the entire word as evil on no other grounds than the word exists. Conservatives want people to think "Nazi" when the hear "Liberal" or "Feminist". It is no surprise that feminists are called "feminazis" It's about bigotry.

When an American Soldier dies, I for one want Social Security to pay survivor benefits to the dead soldiers kids until the kids finish high school.

Yet we can't have conversations about the good-and-bad within programs like social security because the conservative language tactic is to co-opt words and turn them into pejoratives with extreme prejudice, i.e. bigotry.

I agree with drivebyposting
This is about the third article in 2 weeks
reporting or complaining about how Democrats
are using words. We all use them and many
on both sides use words for affect and in
the most subjective way possible. This is
newsworthy or noteworthy?!?

See Frank Luntz's _Words that Work
Geoffrey Nunberg's _Talking Right_

George Lakoff's _Don't Think of an Elephant_
Ann Coulter's _How to Talk to A Liberal_

and other works by these same authors.
Search them on Amazon and you'll have a
whole page of similar items from both sides
of the aisle.

As for speech codes
Liberals always have it easier because they have all their moral relativist pipeline of hypocrisies in line, memorized, and have a much easier time labeling us because it is convenient to label and dismiss us as stereotyped, belonging to some right wing group, and too complicated to understand.

You can see examples of this on The Glenn Beck Show in his attempts at discrediting liberals. While indirect memorized insults/ideologies from liberals are hurled at Glenn, he retorts back with a softball. We conservatives must have time to rebut using the moral road we all know and love. However, liberals see this as boring rhetoric for kindergarteners and paranoids that never challenge a thought. There are a few conservatives in public view that can tear libs apart. Dr. Sowell is one, Newt Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved (although he is lockstep apologist for GWB administration), Tammy Bruce, Mark Levin, Barry Farber, Michael Savage (when he's serious) and a few others.

One can see how easy it is for the libs by the use of relativism that is steeped in nihilism to attack conservatives. Its as though we are speaking two different languages, and we are.

The liberal language shows its immaturity in critical thinking on every level of speech/issue. It can be parsed to illogical parameters only known by psychologists who in the old days would only be able to call it deviant behavior. Today, anything goes, and psychologists accept too many deviant behaviors as normal. It's a little stretch to apply such a deviance to the rest of Congress, but when you have the elect voting to approve extra rights to gays, and other fringe groups of various colors and gender, we find the illogical becomes logical by law.

So, let's call a spade a spade (as Glenn likes to use), that activist judges and our liberal elect are deviants in disguise, promoting immorality at every level of our society, complete with the ultimate deviance of the Communist Manifesto at its heart.

re: Corbett
Corbett wrote:

"The Court reached the correct result in Kelo, but for the wrong reasons.

"The 5th Amendment applies to the US governments & not the states."

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Even barring the (debateable) "Incorporation Clause" of the 14th Amendment, I would direct you to the Constitution...

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html

First, Article VI, the second clause:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Let's clarify it a little, shall we: "This Constitution ... shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."


In other words, when adjudicating cases, Judges are bound to by the Constitution of the United States in precedence OVER their OWN State's Constitution or Laws.


Now, Article V:
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

Let's excerpt the most meaningful part to this discussion: "Amendments ... shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof".


In other words, once properly ratified, amendments are, for all intents and purposes, part of the constitution. Pursuant to Article VI, then, properly ratified amendments become part of the Supreme Law of the Land to which the Judges of every State are bound.



Since the 5th Amendment was properly ratified pursuant to Article V it IS, therefore, part of the Supreme Law of the Land, pursuant to Article VI, and, THUS, binding upon the "Judges of in every State"



Judicial misapplication notwithstanding, the language is absolutely clear.


Yeah, Lib, what a dumb interpretation
by Corbett: the amendments don't apply to the states.

Really?

So the state can do away with Freedom of the Press, Religion, etc? (1st Amendment)

The state can say they won't bother with search warrants anymore? (5th Amendment)

The stat can say they're going to ignore Miranda from this point forward? (6th Amendment)

The state can force you to provide housing for National Guardsmen? (3rd Amendment)

The state can say you're not entitled to a jury trial, and deny any bail? (7th and 8th Amendment)

Corbett, what state do you live in? I want to make sure I never move there.

Sons are worse off than their fathers?
Hmm, maybe. It depends on your definition of worse off, I guess.

When my brother and I were a kid, our Depression-era parents kept a decent roof over our heads, but we didn't have all the bells and whistles their grandchildren assume are their right. We had a black-and-white TV. Our parents owned one car and it wasn't new. We had seven sets of clothes, two sets of shoes, undergarmets and outerwear. My brother bought his own car with money he earned from a job in high school. We didn't share bedrooms because we were a boy and a girl 14 years apart in age, but we were unusual. Our friends all shared bedrooms with siblings. We had one bathroom and the kids bathed at night so the parents could have it in the morning. We didn't eat out much and nobody delivered food to our house. Our vacations were usually spent working on the yard, but sometimes we'd drive to a nearby lake and camp for a week. Twice in my growing up years we flew out of state to visit family. I think they came up twice as well. Our kitchen gadgets were a toaster and an electric mixer. We had few toys, many books, and our imaginations.

Today, every family I know has one bedroom for each child (and that includes some really large families). Many have one bath for every family member and one for guests, plus a powder room for day visitors. These families have kitchens stuffed with microwaves, pasta makers, stand mixers, bread makers, etc., etc. Mom and Dad each have one car, usually leased so they can get a new one every three years, and often a car for each of the licensed drivers in the family. There's a TV in every room of the house and computers in most. Mom often has shoes numbering in the 100s and a wardrobe to match. Dad is only slightly behind and that's just because he doesn't like to shop. The parents drive the kids everywhere they go and they do go a lot. The average family flies at least twice a year and takes road trips in excess of 100 miles at least four times a year. They eat out. They get food delivered. They have WII and Game Boys and iPods and ....

I think you get the picture I'm drawing. All of this excess (and my parents, were they still living, would call it greedy excess) is paid for by credit.

Thus, when people try to point out that my generation (or really, my 60-year-old brother's children's generation) is not doing as well as their fathers' generation, I think -- ah, but maybe it's because they want so much and want it now rather than waiting and saving like our fathers did. My parents always had money in the bank. They weren't wealthy, but they saved and they didn't buy when they couldn't afford.

I don't think that there's a decrease in earning potential. I think there's a decrease in common sense and willingness to wait. Do we really need five TVs? A bathroom for each person in the family plus visitors who may or may not drop by? A new car every three years? Original art on our walls? An outfit for everyday of the year?

I think if we stopped using credit and scaled back our wants to move manageable size, we would find out that we're doing as well as our fathers, maybe better. We just need to learn to prioritize and define what "better" means.

takings
driveby, you miss the point entirely; the original meaning of 'liberal', (much closer to conservative) was coopted by the socialists and turned on its head, as is their mo with everything. Yours is more typical of the brainless liberal equivocation that passes for decisiveness to the uninitiated. Put downs are a cheap way to look smart, but it's a thin veil.

Anyone familiar with The Master and Marguerita, by Bulgakov?

omega
Bravissimo. Liberals rhetoric is hypocrisy of the first order. They have an "easier time labeling us because it is convenient to label and dismiss us as stereotyped, belonging to some right wing group, and too complicated to understand."

Spot-on again. Is this not their motto turned credo? The libs philosophical bedrock is a simple Mobius strip of illogic. An old and clearly effective tactical ploy in the larger strategy to keep the masses dazed and confused.
Regards.

SSGRET: LOL
I live in Leftifornia, the home of the Ninth Circus.

Tell me about it!

Phylo...
...can count. At least to sixteen.
Good for Phylo.

Sigh! auorawatcher,
you make me too homesick..............
Life, according to progressives, is supposed to be getting better, yet I have such a longing for simplistic, normal, good old days..
My kids are astonished that my 6 siblings,plus myself, two parents, and a live-in Grandma all shared ONE TV-
And we were considered upper middle class!

BrianR and SSGRET
Lived in Crazyfornia for 22 years in the heydays, it was a great place to live...San Diego County. Its beginning to look a lot like LA now, packed up and moved to more conservative AZ...don't miss SD, CAL at all, those folks are nuts.

Too bad I didn't move far enough away to avoid the 9th who screws AZ too. Last election, the 9th tried to block Prop 200 even though we were three weeks from voting and many absentee ballots were already in the mail. I emailed the WH regarding the people's right to vote, and that we were prepared, a few days later the SCOTUS reversed the 9th and we were able to proceed.

The 9th judges should be investigated for corruption, and removed...how that is going to happen, I do not know. We need judicial branch reform with term limits.

response to minowe
Minowe: "It's such a shame you weren't there to tell Bush which of the CIA's "intelligence" was absolutely false, very questionable, somewhat questionable, or exactly correct (that would be the yellowcake info, apparently the only thing the CIA got "right").


Phylo: The CIA told Bush that the British intel was flawed for several very good reasons 1) the reporting was weak 2) The security of Niger's yellowcake would have made it almost impossible and 3) Saddam already had 550 tons of the stuff––potentially enough to make 50 nuclear bombs.

And no one yet seems to be able to give any reasons for believing the Brit's side of the story. In fact, as far as I can tell, their evidence is entirely based on what were clearly forged documents.

And please explain why Bush didn't mention in his speech that the CIA had serious doubts about the British intel. Leaving that part of the story out is a lie. He was intentionally giving us a distorted view of the situation.

Ask yourself, if you were president would you only mention the Brit's side of the story? Or would you also mention the fact that the CIA has serious doubts about the intel?

Your answer will speak volumes about your integrity, and it might even help you to understand that, yes, Bush lied.

Phylo out.

liberal definition
from dictionary.com



lib·er·al Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun 14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.


stop using this stupid word.
This word sucks.
IT doesnt meet the needs of 2007 discourse.
15 different definitions and thats just the adjective. Talk about a fluid term

HIGH DEFINITION provides clarity.

A Word is a Word
Thomas Sowell is correct in asserting that the Liberals are good at words which sound good but don't carry much substance with them. The Liberals are good at labels. Everything has to have a label, for better or worse: racist; warmonger; feminist; hate speech [anything not Liberal]; abortion rights; right to privacy; gay rights; the list goes on.

Each term or phrase sounds good to the ear, and it has a certain, identifying ring to it---no substantive base, of course, but it sounds good. There is no right to privacy in the Constitution; there is no right in the Constitution to kill unborn children; there are no extra rights for perverted people; honest or moral conflict is hardly warmongering; racist has lost most meaning because it's practiced regularly by the left, but anything the right does is always seems labeled as racist; etc.

Some of you are concerned that the Conservative writers and comment posters are always blaming the Liberals or Democrats for the woes of the Country. Well, if the shoe fits.... When we criticize the Liberal mind and action, we use logic, morality, and the written law; when the Liberals criticize the Conservatives or Republicans, they use uncompromising rant, baseless conclusions, carefully manufactured [but erroneous] labels, and lies. Sorry guys, if the kitchen's too hot, go back to the Daily Kos or Huffington Post. I'm sure you'll find friends out there in that vast wasteland.

everyonesfacts: the word is 'effect' and not 'affect.' There's a big difference between them. What's with the panic about articles on Liberal words? In journalism, there are always competing articles and essays on the same or similar topic. It just depends on what's happening in the journalistic universe.

Also, Ann Coulter's last few weekly articles consider: immigration and slavery; Jerry Falwell; the French elections; and the Democrat debates. Where is this article you say was written in the past 2 weeks? Her next one isn't due until tomorrow.

Well, I guess some of everyone has the facts wrong on occasion.

as a general rule for the 21st century
If a word has more then say 5 defintions and a speaker or writer doesnt go WAY out of his or her way to qualify it, and explain in what sense they are using it, the person is probably trying to deceive you, or they are just too stupid to pay attention to.

everyonesfacts writes: May, 29, 2007 1:1

Christian welfare
fwiw:

Acts 4:32-37

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

My friend, this is neither charity nor welfare in context of today.

This book starts the beginning of the Christian church and the Apostles now go out to see if they can actually do it. They heal a man and it spreads through town and all come to inquire.

Act 4:1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,

The temple leaders have to stop this as it threatens their monopoly. But the people begin to glorify God for this miracle healing and the temple leaders dare not go against so many people.


Act 4:21 So when they had further threatened them, they let them go, finding nothing how they might punish them, because of the people: for all men glorified God for that which was done.

So the Apostles and the brand new believers go off by themselves.

Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

And what happens is that the church now begins and these folks are it. These believers give all to this new church that they will share in common for the work of God. These are the first preachers and missionaries who our now “filled with the Holy Ghost”. This has been a practice for 2,000 years as many churches will take in workers who give all they have before joining. The Catholic Church took in huge fortunes under this principle. But this is not for charity of the public in general or some entitlement or welfare. Call up the Vatican and ask for welfare and see how far you get. Remember, it is being given by the “the multitude of them that believed” for the work of Christ as needed by each in that endeavor.

To be perfectly clear what was going on the Bible gets very specific

Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

So the detailed specific example is Apostle Barnabas who gives much wealth to this new church and then hits the road as a worker for Christ and given only what funds he needs to do the work and other preachers and workers sharing in those funds.

Rather than call this charity or welfare I think it would be better called the initial stock offering of one of the greatest, longest living corporations of all time. That wealth was distributed among the church members as needed so ministers could feed their family or a new believer could be fed while growing in the faith for service themselves or by family member in the future or just to keep members whole even if they just usher at the door or witness in the street.

Having the specific example of Barnabas and no specific example of welfare and pagan charity, I think we must be limited by the facts and not our wild imaginations to confirm our radical private agendas of borderless nations.

Omega days: Heh heh heh
I'm not sure the Ninth Circus is corrupt; that implies a modicum of intelligence. They're the single most-overturned court in the nation.

I think they're insane. Too much Chromium-6 in their water or something. Call out Erin Brockovitch!


How do you ....
Teach economics to a nation where 70% of them don't even know who Dick Cheney is; can't find the US on a world map; don't know who their Senator or Representative is? But that is what the Senator and Representative wants: a dumbed-down electorate who vote for "No Child Left Behind" politicians.

Forrest 1:02pm
Dead ON..

Probably we are not going to get any changes in the use of these words; not any time soon. But this is something I have brought up on many occasions in my life time, mostly to little avail. At any rate I tried to teach my two older boys about the liberal versus conservative words using a variety of examples that they might realize that a persom can be different things; conservative on some liberal on others.

Further more, that the "true liberal", not what we call liberal, is rather a forward looking, practical person who is independent of what others call: Liberal or Conservative.

I'm not going to try and match wits with anyone at this point, but your point was well taken and well written.
--"and let's get all this right-left dribble behind us and have some real discussions".

Problem is, it isn't going to happen. Labels are too convenient, and keep people in one camp or the other where they typically, not always, are tied to just one hanging post or the other.
Thanks anyway. keep at it.

Ambiclorox: I disagree
This is exactly the issue I address in my essay "The Era of Constitutional Erosion" on my blog. We've reached a point where the Constitution is being turned on its head simply by assigning new definitions to words or phrases within it.

In this case the phrase "public use" in the Takings Clause of the 5th Amendment being redefined as an increase in property taxes instead of its proper usage as meaning
public infrastructure" such as roads, bridges or schools.

In no way can this be considered judicial restraint; in fact, it's wholly the opposite.

With that rationale, a person's property can be confiscated for any reason any jurisdiction wants, because simply by making the claim a government jurisdiction can make the ipso facto case that it is BY DEFINITION a "public use" because the government represents the public.

This is Alice in Wonderland stuff. Words have meanings, and what they did was change the rules in the middle of the game. You can't do that in the NFL, and you can't rightfully do it just because you're a pseudo-intellectual elite pasha in a black robe, either.





BTW, it wasn't New Canaan
It was New London.

All blather
so far. Dr. Sowell indirectly invited us to come up with solutions to the semantical blackhole of liberals vis a vis conservatives and libertarians.

No one has come up with alternative words to describe liberal ideas that will resonate and stick in the minds of people.

I admit, it's difficult, I've wracked my brain, and only come up with Honest Wage for Living Wage. It's an oldie but a goodie yet, and reflects the honest trade of the value of your labor for a given amount of money. And it leaves out the parasitical cry - "You have to GIVE me enough money to live on!"

If you're labor is only worth 2 dollars an hour, then that is social justice.

Redefining Covert
Well, here's a word that Conservatives have savaged, covert.

My guess is that conservatives are going to deny that they twisted the word to mean something
different.

I'm sure everyone here will stand by their definition that Plame was not covert.

People who scream about prosecuting the NYT for leaking secrets are all to ready to re-define "secret" when revealing the "secret" works in their favor.

I don't expect I'll see any conservative condemning Bob Novak for revealing secrets.

Why? Because Conservatives conveniently redefined covert to mean something else in Valerie Plame's case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/

Plame was ‘covert’ agent at time of name leak
Newly released unclassified document details CIA employment


NBC News
Updated: 2 hours, 53 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

The Republican War-Cry
"It has long been recognized that those on the political left are more articulate than their opponents."

Obviously. But the Republicans have some chestnuts of their own, like "FAAAAAAAAAGS!"

DeskJockey, sorry if my 'obsession' ..
.. with moral consistency comes through in my writing!

My 'problem' is not with Christians -- it is in the fact that our political & social vocabulary has been led astray by our religious vernacular. And, that is why I weighed in on Dr. Sowell's article titled "A War of Words".

Even if you put politics aside, and stick to the realm of the 'social', can you explain why Bill Gates is reviled for his wealth but praised for his philanthropy?

If I were 'raising money' for victims of Hurricane Katrina, I would be lauded for contributing to this 'worthy' cause -- even if I used my position as an employer to unfairly pressure my employees into donating their money to supplement my philanthropy. With the exception of the implied threat of incarceration, the Govt acts in pretty much the same way with respect to taxes!

Welfare is nothing more than organized charity on a large scale. It plays into the same false value that one must 'do good' while sacrificing oneself. The differences between personal, voluntary charity (which is extolled by our religious scripture) and collectivized, coerced charity (of which ol' Karl speaks so highly) are just a matter of scale - not of substance.

To assert otherwise is to 'dance on the head of a pin' while trying to semantically force ones religious beliefs into a twisted argument against welfare.

Before we take a political stand against welfare, we must revise our moral code. Otherwise, with the religious half of our brain tied behind our backs, we will fall prey to the verbal opportunism of the Leftists. In fact, their rhetoric will seem more consistent than ours[shudder].

It is also why they get to define what is 'politically correct', bringing us back to the wise words of Dr. Sowell.

http://voice.townhall.com

OMEGA DAYS
Regarding your posting on President Bush's Executive Order, thanks for posting it since I was unaware of it (as I am sure many others here). However, as opposed to what you may have implied, this executive order is only good for federal cases of takings. This would have had no bearing on the New London case or the case in NJ that another poster mentioned. But it is a good start!

re: drivebyposting
drivebyposting wrote:

"... I'm sure everyone here will stand by their definition that Plame was not covert..."

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Yep. Valerie Plame was SO covert that even her NEIGHBORS knew she was CIA.

Fear of the stupid
That is why we are not a "democarzy".

"We The People" should be afraid that our elected representitives truly believe "we" are as stupid as we would have to be to fall for sewage that flows from their mouths.

"Evil does not come in thru the mouth, but out from the mouth". (Author unknown to most)


Median income dropping
Median income dropping for men, slowing for households

The trade and immigration policy supported by the elites of both parties are destroying working class people. This is why lawmakers will take it on the chin in 08 and beyond the more voters figure out they are being sold out by politicians who are bought off by Multi-national Corporation seeking cheap labor!

MSNBC-The American dream has always held that each generation will enjoy a higher standard of living than the previous one, and that is still true, as measured by household income.

But the generational gains are slowing, and the increased participation of women in the work force is the only thing keeping the dream alive, according to an analysis of Census data released Friday.

A generation ago, American men in their thirties had median annual incomes of about $40,000 compared with men of the same age who now make about $35,000 a year, adjusted for inflation. That’s a 12.5 percent drop between 1974 and 2004, according to the report from the Pew Charitable Trusts’ Economic Mobility Project.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/median-income-dropping-for-men-slowing-for-households

Liberty First Unpatriotic!


You are the first one to question American who dare challenges President Bush’s failed Iraq policy as not supporting the troops.

Yet when wounded soldiers come back and are treated like dogs at Walter Reed you say nothing!

Yet when campaign donors and former employers of Bush and Cheney profit off the death of our brave young men and woman you say nothing!

Yet when the CIA points out Lawmakers and the President lied about faulty intelligence and blamed brave CIA agents for their own failure you say nothing!

And now you LIE and slander a brave covert agent!

May God help you the light!

READ MORE

http://www.controlcongress.com

re: Robert
Robert wrote:

"... Yep. Valerie Plame was SO covert that even her NEIGHBORS knew she was CIA.

...

"If you had read the transcript of field agents who did neighborhood interviews, the transcript of their testimony before the grand jury, you wold find your statement is in error."

>>>>>

Doh! Right you are, sir.

Mea culpa. I retract my statement.

It's amazing what a simple Google search can reveal. I should have performed one before offering a drivebyresponse to drivebyposting.

re: Robert
Robert wrote:

"BrianR do you really believe that the right of privacy is not in The Constitution?

"Have you read the amendments?"

>>>>>

In all fairness, the Right to Privacy is NOT expressly enumerated in any of the Amendments. Privacy does APPEAR to be implicitly respected, at least to a degree, if NOT protected, by the Fourth Amendment, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches..."


On the other hand, the Ninth Amendment CLEARLY acknowledges the existence of Rights NOT enumerated, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

A large number of NO-Right-to-Privacy pundits argue that the Right to Privacy does not appear in the Constitution, THEREFORE it does NOT exist (or it's existence was "made up" by activist judges). The clearly language of the Ninth Amendment sheds glaring light upon that lie.

Now, I have not read BrianR's reasoning so I will not attempt to answer his assertions or to even debate the existence of Privacy Rights. However, if it can be determined that a Right to Privacy DOES exist, then it IS, indeed, protected by the Constitution pursuant to the Ninth Amendment.

re: John Konop
John Konop wrote:

Wow! What ARE you smoking!?

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"You are the first one to question American who dare challenges President Bush’s failed Iraq policy as not supporting the troops..."

>>>>>

Huh? First, that's just completely unintelligible.

If I understand that mangled sentence correctly, you're asserting that I have, somehow, challenged Bush's Iraq policy as NOT supporting the troops. If that IS the case, you're hallucinating!

( 1 ) I have NEVER suggested that Bush's Iraq policy is failed; and
( 2 ) I have NEVER accused Bush of NOT supporting the troops.

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"... Yet when wounded soldiers come back and are treated like dogs at Walter Reed you say nothing!..."

>>>>>

Again, you're hallucinating! AND making allegations that you have absolutely NO substantiation of.

=====================

"... Yet when campaign donors and former employers of Bush and Cheney profit off the death of our brave young men and woman you say nothing!..."

Again, hallucination AND unfounded allegation.

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"... Yet when the CIA points out Lawmakers and the President lied about faulty intelligence and blamed brave CIA agents for their own failure you say nothing!..."

>>>>>

Again, hallucination AND unfounded allegation.

=====================

"... And now you LIE and slander a brave covert agent!..."

>>>>>

Do you understand the difference between a LIE and a MISTAKE? I admit -- see my first response to Robert (two posts back) -- that I erred. Do you have ANY evidence that I KNOWINGLY uttered a falsehood?

No!? I didn't think so. You're hallucinating and making false allegations again. (Talk about slander!!)


Do you even KNOW what slander is? Expressing a mistaken impression about something is NOT slander.

=====================

"... May God help you the light!"

>>>>>

May chemistry help you get your hallucinations under control!

re: Robert
"I agree that..."

>>>>>

Hear! Hear! To all.

ThighMaster
I agree with what you are saying. It is so easy to propose conspiracies by the government that they are doing such-and-such with no proof. And that is enough to discredit the government.

In particular, when you start looking at the liberals (not saying at all that Robert is) you get them telling us how the gov't is strangling their free speech without demonstrating at all that they have been tossed into a gulag or had their livelyhood taken away! They apparently missed that lesson in their education about the USSR or Cuba (or now Venezuala) how dissidents are treated!

re: ThighMaster wrote:.
ThighMaster wrote:

"... I doubt the founding fathers had to deal with terrorists flying planes into buildings. I doubt the FF could have envisioned an enemy so determind to wipe our way of life from existence..."

>>>>>

So we should just ignore constitutional restrictions on the power of government?

=====================================

"... I'm all for keeping the gov't out of my business, but all this fussing over phone records and credit card transactions, what has been the impact? Have there been false arrests? Are there people being wrongfully persecuted? If you can provide real evidence of gov't misconduct using this information I'm on your side."

>>>>>

That sounds an awful lot like the old and tired, "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about", defense FOR government fishing expeditions.

It does NOT matter whether or not there have been any wrongful persecutions. What MATTERS is whether or not the government is exercising extra-constitutional authority and power.

Please, by all means, show me in the Constitution... here, I even have links (to the Constitution and the Amendments) ...

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html

... that grants the government the power to mine data records -- to monitor the people -- for TRENDS OF SUSPICIOUS activity. C'mon. Which Article, Section, and Clause or Ammendment grants that power? I don't need a quote. A simple cite will do. I can look it up myself.


Meh. Let's just look at the Fourth Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."


Hmmm... "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects..." That includes records.

And... "... shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause..." And where are the warrants for the phone records and credit card transactions? On what probable cause are they requested? [HINT: Suspicion does NOT probable cause make.]

And... "... and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." And, exactly, how does a request (demand) for those records particularly describe the PLACE to be searched and the persons or things to be seized??




Turning a blind eye to the government exercising extra-constitutional authority simply because no one has been wrongfully prosecuted or only the "bad guys" have to worry merely enables continued government abuse and usurpation of power. You enable the further erosion of our Freedom and Liberty. You aid and abet those who would destroy this republic from the inside.

Thought: eloquence is a mental illness
It's true. Hear me out:

I had one of those rough, crash-landing childhoods. By the time I was a teen, my head was all kinds of messed up, depressed, dysfunctional, angry...all that. Well, a little while back, I found some papers I had written back then. What struck me was how ridiculously well written they were. The stuff was funny, well-reasoned, persuasive, poignant...just really kinda brilliant. I was encouraged to be an author, wrote books, got a perfect Verbal on my SAT.

Again, I was out of my mind, but my use of language was borderline genius. (No, not anymore. I've since lost my spidey-powers; keep reading).

I think there's a correlation. When you're nuts, wrong-living, and rudderless, the thoughts spin around your head at the speed of light. It's a constant loop of thought. You spend your life organizing the needless silliness running around your head, and, because it's needed to justify your own limping existence, you become an expert at rationalizing and critiquing. You become better and better, more skilled at finding the right words, the right phrases...you find the loopholes in the language, and find ways to manipulate words.

This would be only a personal example if I hadn't noticed so many other people skilled at language who seem to be nuts too. Think about it: authors, musicians, comedians, newspaper-writers, intellectuals, philosophers, poets...more often than not, they're unstable, drug addicted, depressed, bad livin' Liberals.

When I grew out of all that stuff, the thoughts stopped spinning around my head. I stopped caring so much about words. Listen to Chinamen or African make those weird sounds and realize how silly it all is. An orange would still be an "orange" even if you didn't call it an orange. Something is because you know it is and it just is; no need to waste too many words explaining why it is.

Final thought: I'm suspicious that evil lurks in language. If you're not speaking to the truth under the words, and under the tapestry of words that we call "culture", you're doing the Devil's work, I think.





re: Post-It
Post-It wrote:

"... An orange would still be an 'orange' even if you didn't call it an orange. Something is because you know it is and it just is; no need to waste too many words explaining why it is..."

>>>>>

Great observation (in general), but, I must insist, semantics matter, mate. They are not merely exercises of mental m@sturbation nor trivial points for nitpicking. Change the context just slightly, replace a word with a more vague synonym, use "and" instead of "or", and you can completely change the entire connotation of something.

Words can just as easily obfuscate as illustrate. YOU may know that something IS, and WHAT it is, but if you do not adequately describe it, you will never convince your audience.

Very often... especially amongst the nuts that seem to have hallucinatory reading disorder (HRD) - reading something ENTIRELY different from what the author wrote... brevity without enough words -- without enough qualifiers, adjectives, adverbs, caveats, and micromanaging the details -- lends itself, far too easily, to misunderstanding, misconstruction, and misrepresentation (See also, HRD).

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PS. I love the handle, btw. It is both apt and evocative. I can just SEE all the little yellow papers stuck on your screen =)

Property rights
I am a victim. In New Mexico a land owner can only sell a piece of his land every five years. Obviously a special interest law to benefit developers just as the e
minent domain laws.
escbc

re: esbc
escbc wrote:

"...In New Mexico a land owner can only sell a piece of his land every five years. Obviously a special interest law to benefit developers..."

>>>>>

Or to protect the real estate agencies from competition by independents buying properties and "flipping" them for a profit...


Regardless, it certainly violates individuals' Property Rights to (peaceably) dispose of their (e.g.: sell) property as they see fit.

takings
Thomas, Have loved you for years - - but.

I acquired property rights from property owners in Colordo Springs, Colorado for 22 years. Some of your observations about the process are completely wrong. The use of eminent domain suffers enough just by saying the two words without adding fuel to the fire. MOST taking entities do not purposely look for a "cooperative" appraiser. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO OFFER LESS THAN THE FAIR MARKET VALUE TO A PROPERTY OWNER WHEN USING EMINENT DOMAIN. Also, one of the disclaimers required in the appraisal itself is "I undrstand that I will be prepared to defend my analysis of the property in a court of law". "I also have no interest in the subject property now or in the future and my analysis is not dependent on this contract to appraise nor any future contracts from this entity". Obviously appraisers would not take the chance of losing their certification/s just to make the taking entity "happy". Read it again and know that this is true. It cannot be done because it is against the law. Therefore your statement that entities look for the appraiser that will provide a "low" FMV is completely false. You DO NOT know the appraisal process. It is long. I will not bore you with it here. I am only writing so you can correct what you implied in your "taking" article to lessen the innaccurate information to the public. The public already hates most taking entities enough. Also, according to you, the mere mention that a project might take place will "sanitize" the property/s. According to your theory, taking entities would never be able to mention upcoming projects because it would sanitize the property/s. When, according to you, could it be mentioned? Never if you are right. I only want you to correct this misinformation. It is damaging to our profession.

There are many "taking" entities: Coal companies; mining companies; railroads; cable companies of all kinds, i.e., tv, phone, etc. They too are governed by the prevailing law in their respective communities.

Yes, there probably unethical politicians doing unethical things in regard to eminent domain, just as in other areas of their jurisdictions. The eminent domain profession, however, is, in my opinion, the only one governed by law lessening the chance of wrongdoing. I am not so sure of their other practices.


takings
Thomas, Forgot to mention: Your model of the $400,000. home is unrealistic for this discussion. It implies the government is coming so lock your doors. Usually when an entity takes a property for "re-development" it is because the "grandfathered" use is now not compatible with current usages and/or a blighted or rundown property and the owners have failed to improve it to current accepted zoning codes or standards - not your $400,000. home. It is usually used in redevelopment to get rid of slums.

Bob Eckert

Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad
Read "Animal Farm."

What you want to do is make sure your chant has either four beats or seven to it; those are the ones you can get the Herd to chant most easily. Count them next time you hear them. All chants are one or the other.

"Whaddawewant? Your wallet! Wendawewannit? NOWWWWW!" seven beats.

"Bush lied! Kids died!" Four beats.

"Hey hey LBJ HOWMENNYKIDSDIDYAKILLTDAY?" seven beats.

"Peace now! Peace now!" four beats.

What you want is something the Herd can march to that will have a solid beat so it knows which foot it should be moving next.

Of course if the Herd is standing still it can chant to three beats. Virtually every command you give your kids is couched in three one-syllable words: Put That Down. Pick That Up. Stop That Noise. Go To Bed. Eat Your Meat. Cut That Out.

Herd people respond well to commands couched in three-word phrases.

If you catch one of them and ask him to explain what the meaning of his chant is, he can't do it. He doesn't even know what he's chanting.

Four legs good -- two legs bad. That's what you want.

voice_of_reason writes: 29, 2007 8:30 PM
My 'problem' is not with Christians -- it is in the fact that our political & social vocabulary has been led astray by our religious vernacular.

...can you explain why Bill Gates is reviled for his wealth but praised for his philanthropy?

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

It is not the vernacular, it is the misapplication by those for private agenda. Because the Marxist had been sent to the US to subvert our culture we have had many decades in TV, print and radio demonizing capitalism and anything associated with it and setting up false constructs of charity etc. Bill Gates is reviled because he stole from the pie of others, ie capitalism is evil. When he gives his stolen fruits back to the helpless victims he robbed, he is praised for recognizing his crime and making restitution. It is really a simple dialectic.

voice_of_reason writes:

Welfare is nothing more than organized charity on a large scale. It plays into the same false value that one must 'do good' while sacrificing oneself. The differences between personal, voluntary charity (which is extolled by our religious scripture) and collectivized, coerced charity (of which ol' Karl speaks so highly) are just a matter of scale - not of substance.

To assert otherwise is to 'dance on the head of a pin' while trying to semantically force ones religious beliefs into a twisted argument against welfare.

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

Actually it is not scale but a matter of substance, no different then a few men shooting their way into a bank in NYC is not the substance of a large group of men shooting their way into a bank in Baghdad. Welfare is completely different substance than charity. Charity is exclusively a voluntary activity and an individual activity. Charity is Biblical and is done under the authority of God exclusively to bring recognition of God to the recipient. Nothing is expected in return.

On the other hand welfare is a political operation under authority of the state in contradiction to God's authority. where a vote is purchase with another victim’s money, obtained at gun point, used to buy the vote. Take the quid quo pro of the transaction out of the equation and the non-voter wouldn’t be able to extract a penny out of his politician such penny to be more wisely used on a potential voter. God does not endorse welfare because it takes his resources and brings Glory to the state god, instead of the real God.

voice_of_reason writes:

Before we take a political stand against welfare, we must revise our moral code. Otherwise, with the religious half of our brain tied behind our backs, we will fall prey to the verbal opportunism of the Leftists. In fact, their rhetoric will seem more consistent than ours[shudder].

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

We don’t need to revise our moral code, we merely need to learn it and understand it so that we can merely explain the difference and why the two different words are used for the two different activities. I have provided that teaching in our other threads with the verses and explanations. God has absolutely no support for welfare and it can’t be found in the Bible. The reason is that it uses his follower's resources to create a false state God.

We've Left the Store Unattended
I read something the other day that I struck me as profound. They said, "Imagine buying a store, filling it up with goods, hiring some people to run it and then taking an extended vacation. How long do you think your store is gonna last with you not around to look after it?"

That's basically what America has done. We've given too much power to those we thought we could trust to govern us and the store is almost empty.

Eligible voters who stay at home on election day are still on vacation.

Now we have only two management styles to choose from and neither of those are working anymore.

Those we grew dependent upon for keeping us in food, nice cars and homes have gone behind our backs with our managers and are stealing our store blind with their new rules for our store.

Our bibles are gone from the shelves because both managers were fighting so much over them, someone called the law. The law decided that no bibles would remain on the shelves at all. That's the fair way to do things. It didn't matter that those bibles were one of our stores best sellers, nor did it matter how much good came from them. Fair is fair.

The flags are gone from the shelves now too. The managers got into a big fight one day over how useful they really were. They got so loud again the law stepped in. The law said it was only a piece of cloth that no one cared about anymore anyway, so if you decide to burn them go right ahead.

More and more of the things we put in our store are disappearing. So much of it is gone now that the law stepped in again. They said that since there's not alot left in the store, we're gonna tear down your store and build a bigger and better one.

Your two managers finally agreed on something. They decided it's gonna be owned by those folks you depend on for food, your car and your house.
And since it is so big, they're gonna need cheap labor to run it. And there's a whole bunch of folks south of the border who are willing to do just that!

Are you back from vacation yet?







replies to Robert and Liberty First
A strict or originalist (i.e., conservative) reading of the Constitution should not find any privacy rights. Privacy rights were invented by liberal Justices and legal theorists, and conservatives should resist the expansion of privacy rights. Once conservatives understand that there is no valid constitutionally protected right of privacy, their constitutionalism will be more faithful to the original.

Now what about that pesky Ninth Amendment? The reading that conservatives love to mock, from Griswold v. Conn., later employed in Roe v. Wade, written by Justice William O. Douglas, contains the infamous language about "penumbras" from other amendments implying privacy rights. While Douglas wrote the majority opinion, he did not in fact make a Ninth Amendment argument. Justice Arthur Goldberg did make one; Justices John Marshall Harlan II and Byron White used the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. Dissenter Hugo Black took the originalist position, arguing that the Constitution does not contain any privacy rights, while Justice Potter Stewart upheld the constitutionality of the Connecticut law that prohibited the sale and use of contraceptives.

For the complete text of the case see FindLaw

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=381&invol=479


Here's the Ninth Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people "

The big questions are (1) what are these rights? (2) how do we know what they are? (3) how is "the people" to be understood? I'll just mention a couple of issues here.

Re: question (1): Might these unnamed rights include "privacy?" We won't know unless we can answer question (2), and the Constitution is silent about any way to do that. Some people, usually historians or political scientists, think that "the people" should mean the populations of the states, so that the unnamed "rights" would be any rights defined under state constituions that might not appear in the Bill of Rights. but once again, we have no basis in the Constitution itself to make this determination. If the rights retained by "the people" are understood to be common law rights, once again, the Constitution has no mechanism to identify them specifically.

So the simplest way to handle all this is to take Hugo Black's position and say that the Constitution does not contain privacy rights.

As a liberal, not a conservative, my own view is this: If the Constitution does not protect a right to privacy, so much the worse for the Constitution.

Gestell writes: June, 05, 2007 11:46 AM
.....So the simplest way to handle all this is to take Hugo Black's position and say that the Constitution does not contain privacy rights.

As a liberal, not a conservative, my own view is this: If the Constitution does not protect a right to privacy, so much the worse for the Constitution.

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

Gestell, thank you for your objective input. I just have some musings that may be of interest and I admit I’m a penumbra mocker and novice.

My mocking is based on my view that post Lincoln we have merely used the Constitution as a toy to entertain the masses and like the penumbras, our masters can find anything or have it mean anything they well please. They now travel to France to find out what it means. But going back to the original intent, the Constitution granted nothing, let alone privacy. The people granted some of their rights via the Constitution they being the grantor and giver-ment the grantee. The grantee can’t grant, therefore finding rights the grantee grants the grantor is problematic for me.

Now post civil war we had Lincoln’s chief justice Salmon P. Chase interpretation that all states rights were surrendered at Appomattox as he proudly claimed. Ergo penumbras among many other new revelations and the continual evolution leading to the incorporation interpretation and therefore views like Griswold. In my opinion Griswold, Kelo and Terri Schiavo are not a SC jurisdiction if looking at founder’s intent.

My simple view is that the Constitution has been granted no rights over behavior, including sex. And as you say the SC has taken an incorporation view via the wildly expanded view of the 14th to allow them to basically nullify states rights.

Because the South lost the war, states rights were lost and I can easily make the argument that the giver-ment and the courts can say or do anything they please as the spoils go to the victor. But clearly that was not intent. I would like you to look at Reynolds V US to see how careful the court was when stepping into a behavior issue. If Utah was not a territory, but rather a state, Judge Waite would not have ventured therein. Today we have Lawrence v TX and the court just jumps right in. I like Scalia's admission a year ago on the marijuana case where he said he rendered his opinion subject to his view that he had not right because it is noth a SC jurisdiction but he is acknowledging the courts precedent of over reaching jurisdiction. My uncle got him that job by the way.

Voice of Reason writes:
"Conservatives believe in charity - but believe that welfare is anathema."

CORRECT! Do not confuse charity with welfare.

Charity is a personal choice to donate any amount of your choice to the cause of your choice, and the giver generally receives a tax deduction for the donation. Not so with welfare.

Welfare is just another government-mandated taking over which the individual has no control whatsoever. Tantamount to theft, welfare is a socialist euphemism for the redistribution of wealth; from each according to his ability to each according to his need!

Today's liberals who like to refer to themselves as "progressives" are anything but -- they are socialists and worse. Compare the liberal agenda to the communist party agenda; they are in lockstep.


"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents..."
—James Madison

"Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
—James Madison

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare but only those specifically enumerated. ... A wise and frugal government shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."
—Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
—Thomas Jefferson

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