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Wednesday, May 16, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Presumptions Of The Left
by Thomas Sowell
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Radically different conclusions about a whole range of issues have been common for centuries. Many have tried to explain these differences by differences in conflicting economic interests. Others, like John Maynard Keynes, have argued that ideas -- even intellectually discredited ideas that political leaders still believe in -- trump economic interests.

My own view is that differences in bedrock assumptions underlying ideas play a major role in determining how people differ in what policies, principles or ideologies they favor.

If you start from a belief that the most knowledgeable person on earth does not have even one percent of the total knowledge on earth, that shoots down social engineering, economic central planning, judicial activism and innumerable other ambitious notions favored by the political left.

If no one has even one percent of the knowledge currently available, not counting the vast amounts of knowledge yet to be discovered, the imposition from the top of the notions favored by elites convinced of their own superior knowledge and virtue is a formula for disaster.

Sometimes it is economic disaster, which central planning turned out to be in so many countries around the world that even most governments run by socialists and communists began freeing up their markets by the end of the 20th century.

That is when the economies of China and India, for example, began having rapidly increasing growth rates.

But economic disasters, important as they are, have not been the worst consequences of people with less than one percent of the world's knowledge superimposing the ideas prevailing in elite circles on those subject to their power -- that is, on the people who together have the other 99 percent of knowledge.

Millions of human beings died of starvation, and of diseases related to severe malnutrition, when the economic ideas of Stalin in the Soviet Union and Mao in China were inflicted on the population living -- and dying -- under their iron rule.

In both cases, the deaths exceeded the deaths caused by Hitler's genocide, which was also a consequence of ignorant presumptions by those with totalitarian power.

Many on the left may protest that they do not believe in the ideas or the political systems that prevailed under Hitler, Stalin or Mao. No doubt that is true.

Yet what the political left, even in democratic countries, share is the notion that knowledgeable and virtuous people like themselves have both a right and a duty to use the power of government to impose their superior knowledge and virtue on others.

They may not impose their presumptions wholesale, like the totalitarians, but retail in innumerable restrictions, ranging from economic and nanny state regulations to "hate speech" laws.

If no one has even one percent of all the knowledge in a society, then it is crucial that the other 99 percent of knowledge -- scattered in tiny and individually unimpressive amounts among the population at large -- be allowed the freedom to be used in working out mutual accommodations among the people themselves.

These innumerable mutual interactions are what bring the other 99 percent of knowledge into play -- and generate new knowledge.

That is why free markets, judicial restraint, and reliance on decisions and traditions growing out of the experiences of the many -- rather than the groupthink of the elite few -- are so important.

Elites are all too prone to over-estimate the importance of the fact that they average more knowledge per person than the rest of the population -- and under-estimate the fact that their total knowledge is so much less than that of the rest of the population.

They over-estimate what can be known in advance in elite circles and under-estimate what is discovered in the process of mutual accommodations among millions of ordinary people.

Central planning, judicial activism, and the nanny state all presume vastly more knowledge than any elite have ever possessed.

The ignorance of people with Ph.D.s is still ignorance, the prejudices of educated elites are still prejudices, and for those with one percent of a society's knowledge to be dictating to those with the other 99 percent is still an absurdity.

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Another brilliant column...
...by my hero Dr. Sowell. Now if only we mere peasants can vote the superior elites out of office in 2008...

LucyGoosey
"Another brilliant column..."

Which means the left will be out in force, crying about shattered delusions and making stuff up to compensate. :D

Dr. Sowell writes what
I wrote yesterday on his column: " The ignorance of people with Ph.D.s is still ignorance,..."

in a little different terms but basically what I said. Now, I expect poster "lemonade" to attack me again. I'm waiting for the fun when the moonbats arrive to inflict their vitriol because once again someone challenges them on having all the answers that they inflict on the rest of us. Too funny.

Good advice
Now, why don't you apply your advice to yourself.

Specifically, if you had done this starting in Jan 2007, about 30 - 50% of your TownHall materials would not have been published.

In response to ItTakesAHead
"The ignorance of people with Ph.D.s is still ignorance, the prejudices of educated elites are still prejudices, and for those with one percent of a society's knowledge to be dictating to those with the other 99 percent is still an absurdity."

Mr. Sowell IS taking his advice, silly. He isn't trying to *dictate* to the other 99 percent.
Weren't you reading carefully?

Intelligent PhD's is an oxymoron
During the course of my business life I have had to deal with PhD's a great deal over the last 25 years. I have come to the inescapable conclusion that PhD's aren't the brightest pebbles in the brook. Why? I believe that these people are good at being taught what to think, not good how to think. The system only rewards those who know how to go along to get along. Those who think differently than their professors will be punished. That leaves those who are really good at boot polishing. This created an elite club of self-perpetuating “head nodders living in a echo chamber of self congratulations”. The vast majority of whom are clueless. They have never had to meet a payroll or worry about the next quarterly payment. The bulk of them have never started a business and those who have started companies had an extraordinary rate of failure. They have never had the courage to be the rock in the current. They have been the current. Why would we expect these “experts” to have any answers worth listening to?

Bravo, Dr. Sowell!
Intelligence is not information is not expertise is not wisdom. Nor are any of these things (possibly excepting intelligence) other than topical and contextual. This ought to be obvious -- but the Keynesian conception of a society ordered by a "wise minority" holds sway with many even so. All one can infer is that the conceit is immensely attractive to persons who would never admit that what they want is for the rest of us to be controlled -- and preferably, with themselves as the controllers.

We need a modern Socrates to remind us of how little we really know.

None
What you say is all too true. It applies most strongly in academia, down through business majors, becoming somewhat diluted as you get to mathematics and physics PhD's and least of all to engineers. Engineers are expected to build something that works, so are occasionally returned to reality. Full disclosure. I am a retired engineer. My career was rarely furthered when i found myself being the rock in the current.

Ideas have power
ItTakesAHeadToGetAhead demonstrates yet again that some just see what they want to see to make a point.
He was so anxious to refute Dr. Sowell, he never bothered to THINK.

The reason academics are so conceited is they never have to live with the consequences of their ideas.



Piled high and Deep
Isn't that what it stands for? I believe alot of those PhD's are perpetual students...which makes many dumber than dumb, as they live in a world of sheltered reality. Go figure.
Another winner...
Hey Pepp,maybe Kimberly made up a new personna,aka Lemonhead.
They come, they spew then drop the guano.

One of my favorite...
...philosophers was Eric Hoffer,who had little or no formal education.He used to say that we should honor our intellectuals but we should never,ever,give them what they desire most:Political power.These are the one's who turn into the Hitlers,Stalins,Maos,and Pol Pots.I think Dr Sowell would agree.

Right on!
I love Dr. Sowell also. Great man. Courageous. Everything set forth here is correct, though I would suggest that perhaps he is a bit too kind to the average Ph.D. (though there are some worthy individuals in the harder sciences and economics). Most social science and other liberal arts Ph.D.'s are simply stark, raving mad. Pathetic, pathetic individuals. And the American public props them up in 60K a year jobs in public universities (more in private schools) and borrows their future away in the form of student loans to attend these places.

No, no -- teach you kids to read, think for themselves, and most importantly to have character.

Sowell is Excellent
In my own columns, I keep suggesting that the way to defeat liberalism at the ballot box is NOT to shout our slogans as they shout theirs. Instead, there has to be a rational, fact-based exchange of views insofar as it possible. Bumper-sticker politics leads us nowhere. Thomas Sowell writes compelling columns -- and others on TH could learn from him -- because he grounds himself in reality. He has a good sense of the "limits of the possible." In large part, I try to base my own columns on his example. He's a good man.

steve maloney

p.s. If you want to read my column on last nite's debate, click on my name above.

Peppermint
wrote that, "I [Peppermint] expect poster "lemonade" to attack me again."


True. It's all they know. There's no rational argument from the left, only personal attacks. The reason is that they have no solutions.

Well said Dr. Sowell.
As an Electronic Engineer/Contractor. I've been hired many times to come into a company to solve a problem the company Engineers were struggling with. And what I found almost every time was lack of common sense. The problems arose from 'in-house' competition. Where the individual Engineers were busy trying to out-do one another in order to look good in the eyes of their superiors.

The result was always an over complicated solution to a simple problem. When going into a company like this. I was usually met with a bit of arrogance from the company Engineers. They would manage to slip into the conversations their personal qualifications such as the various degrees they held. As they told me about the problems with a project. I didn't make many friends there, because I would listen politely to what they had to say. Then proceed to tear out all they had done and did it right. And believe me, I'm not patting myself on the back. It's just facts.

Without going into detail I'll use this one story as an example. First, I specialized in Automation and Robotics. A company called me in to look at a problem that their people had been working on for 7 weeks but could not get the machine working. I came in one evening, worked through the night and by the following morning the machine was working.

This is just to point out what Dr. Sowell was eluding to. People with PH.D's and big egos are not necessarily brilliant. Except in their own view of themselves.





Best examples
of what Sowell is writing about are the current crop of Socialist-Democrats in the US Congress:
Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Schumer, Obama, Clinton . . . etc.

They have deemed themselves to be the elite intellectuals who have the wisdom to decide how we (the proletariat) will live our lives.

The problem is that so many Americans believe them.

Sowellian thought
I'm surprised to note that Dr. Sowell's common-sense driven ideology hasn't been recognized by having his name attached to it. I think I'll use "Sowellian" as a response when folks ask what my views are. From the sounds of things, I'm not alone in this.

I will disagree slightly on the use of a PhD. A PhD means that the individual bearing it has reached a high degree of study inside a very narrow range of a narrow field. It means that they are experts within that narrow range. Where these doctors fail is when they imply that being a localized expert also means that they are a general expert (Dr. Suzuki is an excellent example of this, a Zoologist who now thinks he's a climate change scientist). Those who recognize their own limits and stay within their fields shouldn't be tarred with the same brush.

Plato and Lord Acton
The "elites as enlightened rulers" theme starts with Plato. If only human nature didn't interfere..

Lord Acton had it right (to paraphrase): There is no such thing as a ruling class, no class is fit to rule.

Agreed
Mr. Sowell--good article and a great jumping off point for conservative thoughts.
DavidMac writes about the congress, and he is correct--but my favorites are the actors who want to tell me how to live. I love it when professional liars--aka actors--think they know how to raise my child, practice my religion etc.etc.
And to ittakesahead--the last time I checked Mr. Sowell was not on a public service announcement extolling to virtues of the conservative. He writes for TH and you had to come and find his article in order to be exposed to it.
How silly of you to come looking for him. You could have gone through your whole life and never have known who he is.
Conservatives, on the other hand, cannot even live our lives without being preached at by the Liberal machines, movies, TV Comercials, newspapers, colleges, high schools elementary schools, all out to promote the ideas of a few elite who think they are smarter and better than the rest of us.

Great article, Dr. Sowell!
None and impact have it exactly correct in a consise manner.

Goshawk, I am with you, while not an electronic engineer, my brother (with only a GED) is and I am a system engineer. I have been the rock in the stream so many times, that I had to go get my masters so that I could get more interviews after having been canned for standing up for what is right instead of going along with the "overly intelligent" loonies running the show. I think that I will take a gubmint job, and live like a slug for the rest of my career as I am tired of having to look for a new job every time a project goes wacky and I speak up.

Rocks in streams
There is an art to placing oneself in the correct position so as to alter the current. Simply being a rock in the stream will result in your getting beat down. Place yourself appropriately at the correct point of the stream and you will see change.

C_Miner
"Sowellian" ideology. I like it! And will use the term myself when the occasion arises! Thanks for coining the word!

Another shot to the 10 ring
Bullseye, Doc. C_Miner, Heinlien summed it up best when he said something like expertise in one field is not transferrable to all others in inverse proportion to the narrowness of that field.

As always ..
just the God's honest truth elequently but simply written. Same as Dr Williams.

Why so much hate?
The Political Right is not immune from central planning, judicial activism, and the nanny state, but Sowell singles out the "left" for his bigoted hate. Thomas Sowell is a lazy fascist. Missile Defense, or "Star Wars," is an example of central planning by conservatives like Reagan that has absorbed billions of tax-payer dollars, with little to nothing to show for it. The Iraq war is another example, planned exclusively by neoconservatives within the Bush administration. The right is not immune to the criticisms that Sowell is impugning the left for. If he were intellectually honest he would have entitled this article, The Presumptions of Elites.

Instead, the article reads like an incoherent diatribe. One moment he is criticizing the left. Next, he is talking about elites. Then, he returns to summarize his initial point. Are elites and leftists the same? Can elites be members of the right?

Is Sowell championing direct democracy when he argues that the entire population has more knowledge than a group of elites? I think he is arguing for corporatism or government and corporate collusion, i.e., fascism. A world where human beings are reduced to consumers, only to have monetary control over their environment, if they have the money to influence the corporations that are owned by the same elites Sowell derides.

Goshawk
My ex husband did the same work you did and it was the same exact problem. I was just so taken with what you wrote having matched his experiences. He always had to fix up up what they had f...d up. The same problem, egos getting in the way and each one of the engineers, whether it was the HVAC or the electrical or structural were never willing to give into one another that something had to be changed to make it work.

To Rich
I understand completely how you feel. In the past, before I retired, I had thought of becoming "gubmint" myself. I mean, the other side of the fence looked so inviting. Just think, I could have had a highly paid gov. position, avoid all responsibility and could not be fired! Alas, what it takes to do that was not in my character.

I like the fact...
that Sowell points out that there are no "elites" on the right, you know the right is just a bunch of lunch bucket joes that have a greater sense of common sense than anyone else. Tell that to the "elites" that frequent FOX news shows such as Coulter, Hannity, Reagan ect. This guy is too much.

I worked on an academic
campus for several years as one of their IT persons. It was truly an eye opener into their world. Each academic knows their own subject well, but when it came to other subjects they were basically lost.

The biggest problem with the academics is that once they have those initials behind their names they somehow believe they know everything else too. It was always a hoot to have them stand behind me telling me how to do my job as I tried to fix their systems which they had screwed up by trying to download things they were prohibited from doing in the first place.

Also, they have no sense of time. There are no deadlines for them, so the world just revolves around each of them, unlike corporate America where you have to get things done on schedules.

Also, in academia one never has to worry about being fired. I was told this over and over. Once you were there, no one ever left and no one was fired for any reason whatsoever.


Very interesting
It's interesting and a paradox that the bedrock assumptions attributed here to the left are very elitist, yet many on the left would shudder at the thought of being an elitist...they are the champions of the little guy. What they don't see is that the programs they come up with keep the little guy forever little.
I think Dr. Sowell's analysis is very astute: the starting assumption is the thing. If you start with the assumption that the few know it all, you get social programs for "the rest". If you start from the assumption that the natural laws of the free market (in a society where all are equally free to participate) will operate to everyone's benefit, then you get a whole different scenario. Liberals want to give the man a fish, conservatives want him to learn to fish.

Peppermint
Your ex having done the same work, I'm sure you experienced the many frustrations he felt when he came home. Dealing with these bureaucracies is far more trying than the project itself.

I can appreciate your work as an IT. And as a computer programmer who went through Microsoft's IT training I know exactly what your talking about.

Goshawk
I like the way you put it in your 7:32 posting. I wish Sowell had summed up his argument the way you did, but he didn’t. I don’t think it’s prudent for someone to make such blanket statements about a group in which they are a member. It makes me think he speaking about himself.

None: Sowell is a PhD. Do you realize what you are saying with your broad generalizations?

Nee: Likewise, apply it to Sowell and then I’ll take you seriously.

Nam 65-66: Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had little if any secondary or post secondary education and all made statements against the intelligentsia.

Ph.D., J.D.: I’d like to agree with you, but in doing so I might inadvertently be agreeing with someone who was simply a stark, raving mad, pathetic, pathetic individual; and I can’t take that risk.

C_Miner and Moonbat Exterminator (sounds like a great job but it must be one heck of a commute): do you mean like when an economist starts writing social and political commentary and goes so far as to ponder whether a military coup might be the only cure for our nation’s problems?

Peppermint: Maybe Goshawk is your ex-husband.

Otherwise, good morning folks. This should be a great thread. Yesterday’s Sowell generated well over 400 posts.

Goshawk
OMG, frustration? Yeah, that was the hazard of the job he did. Good grief, he would come home so upset sometimes. What really bothered him was all the time spent with these guys arguing among themselves as to who was right and and who was wrong. A real nightmare. But, as he always said, they longer they argue and take a contrary stand, I'm getting paid. Sometimes he took that attitude and that helped eased the frustration.

MikeR
Ha! Ha! "maybe Goshawk is my ex husband". LOL

I can assure you that if Goshawk had been my husband he would not be an ex. There is no finer gentleman than Goshawk. And, a woman would never want to let go of him.

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the Neo-con know it alls, the elite of the
right, are just as bad.

And so are the American people for supporting
the politicians that have done bad things in
our country on both sides.

Let's all kill ourselves. Who's first?

Here's how long this article should have been:

"[F]ree markets, judicial restraint, and reliance on decisions and traditions growing out of the experiences of the many -- rather than the groupthink of the elite few -- [are good policy].

Central planning, judicial activism, and the nanny state [are bad policy]."

None, gently99 are correct
What none and gently99 have written is true. More than one PhD candidate has stepped away from completing the PhD because the chair of their doctoral committee wouldn't support the candidate's chosen research topic.

speaking of elites
Jerry Falwell just passed away. It seems he spent his life lecturing Americans about immorality. Wasn't Falwell an elite? What about James Dobson or Pat Robertson? Aren't they elites? Elite evangelical leaders recently met at the White House with George W. Bush, another elite, who graduated from elite institutions: Yale and Harvard. Dick Cheney, an elite corporate executive turned vice president. Halliburton, an elite corporation so elite it gets no-bid government contracts. Remember, the elite Cheney was CEO of that elite company. What Richard Perle, William Kristol, David Frum? Aren't they elites? Don't they work to influence government policy, especially in regards to the Middle East? Is it possible for right-wingers to be elites? Is it possible for right-wing elites to dictate their knowledge and inflict suffering and death on other? Like, say Mussolini or Pinochet. Is it possible that the Bush administration used "group-think" to decide to illegally invade a country that had not attacked the U.S.? Is it possible that this act of aggression against a nation that was not a threat to the U.S. has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and counting? If you are not willing to apply the morality to yourself that you apply to others, then your morality is fatally flawed.

It don't mean nothin
I don't know what passes for scholarship anymore. I haven't been back to academia since I finished graduate school. Went into publishing where a Ph.D. don't mean nothin. I don't use it for anything. I use my ability for research to help people discover their lost history. There are unpublished manuscripts at home and an unfinished novel. I already knew how to work and get it done; that was from the farm/ranch, and not from the Ph.D. But I wouldn't trade the experience and the opportunity to study in Germany. And I'm not interested in telling people how to live their lives. I don't read academic history anymore. They were called MONOGRAPHS. Holy Smoke. Say it again: M-O-N-O-G-R-A-P-H. Boring. So I read what interests me and not academic journals and their boring articles. I should have discovered fiction writing a long time ago and forgot history. Better late than never to find your voice. And it is much more interesting and entertaining to tell a story than it is to tell someone else how to they should live.
Dr. K

wushih, or whatever
Missile Defense has nothing to show for it?

I know it was 18 summers ago, but it feels like yesterday to me. I was in Bern at the time, and I hopped a train to Berlin to see and feel what it was like to see communism crumble in the face of Reagan's relentless economic onslaught.

Missile defense put Gorby against the wall. His economy was already wrecked by virtue of its communist structure. Reagan saw this clearly, you cannot. Reagan chose missile defense precisely because it was a highly technical, very expensive project with prospects of bearing fruit only at some distant future date and only with massive resources devoted to its development.

The only other requirement for the project was that it be a defense project that would, at fruition, render the bulk of Soviet hardware obsolete. The Russians were spending almost a third of their GDP on their military. This is unsustainable over the long term, even for an authoritarian regime.

America stands up and says, we're going to embark on a hugely expensive RESEARCH PROGRAM, not even deployable this century, whose goal is to lessen or eliminate the Soviet missile threat. When we produce a workable system we'll deploy it in defense of all our allies. Our missiles, however, will all still hit their targets.

The implicit state of affairs here is, "you have occupied DOZENS of SOVEREIGN NATIONS without their permission, and told the world to go screw itself when we protest that you have no right to roll your tanks into Budapest, Prague, Vilnius, Belgrade, Warsaw, Riga, Bucharest, Krakow, Berlin...and impose yourselves upon them. Some of these places actually tried to eject you, and you killed the folks who tried. Well, all that is about to come to an end."

Gorby read the writing on the wall and said, "no mas." You cannot imagine the electric joy in the air of Berlin as hundreds of thousands rushed the wall and began to tear it down, unless you were there. I don't speak a word of German, but there was enough English on hand to describe to me what was being said by everyone.

The most moving thing for me about the whole week was what happened when folks learned I was an American. Germans are a bit less physically intimate than Americans (and we are known to like our "personal space"). But for that week, German after German allowed me to share their joy in the reunification of their country with prolonged, firm handshakes and smiles, and not a few tears.

This outcome is a direct result of the policy for which missile defense was the avatar. Reagan knew Star Wars was really about what was going on down here. Four times his speechwriters removed "tear down this wall" from his speech. Five times he put it in.

He was audacious, this Reagan.

It was the audacity or Reagan to not fear the left but to challenge them on the basic immorality of their position that won the day. But it could not have won without the sheer, breathtaking expense of Star Wars to cause Gorby to throw in his hand.

Whatever protection the fruts of the missile defense research program affords us, the main benefit--what we have to "show" for all that expenditure--is the kicking in of the Soviet house of cards.

You leftists and your co-religionists in the media engaged in a decades-long campaign to prop that bunch up. Reagan came in and, with truth and dollars, kicked in the whole facade to expose the rotting dump within.

You'll never forgive him for it, nor us for supporting him. Thank God for missile defense and for the freedom it ushered in for hundreds of millions of Eastern Europeans.

You may think this is "nothing." I assure you you are mistaken.

It all becomes clear...
...if you use the Nolan chart instead of the usual left/right continuum of political classification. Representatives of the far left and the far right are both correctly identified as belonging in the "authoritarian" quadrant. Both are dangerous to the concept of individual freedom.

wushih
Oh, Jerry Falwell an elite? I thought you libs always considered him a red neck hick who didn't know his azz from a hole in the ground. Now, he's suddenly an elite?

To Ron
Please show me in Dr.Sowell's column where he "points out that there are no "elites" on the right." First of all, Dr. Sowell himself is one of the most highly intelligent of the elite! And he's damn sure not a Liberal!

This word "Elite" is so miss-used by the Liberals and the MSM it's pathetic! If a person is "truly intelligent" as Dr. Sowell is. They have no need to prove anything! When Dr. Sowell refers to the elite left he is referring to those Liberals, especially in academia, that think of themselves as elite. And whatever they say, in their own mind, is right and all consuming. End of discussion! There words are the ultimate answer!

The over blown egos of these so-called elite Liberals is beyond stupidity. It boarders on insanity! Mureen Dowd comes to mind as she bathes herself in Liberal slime and thinks that her every word is good for the world!

That sort of thinking is what Dr. Sowell is referring to.

wushih
Regarding your first post, why the need to resort to name calling?? I will never understand the left. Why does it seem that you/they must interject names instead of just putting forth your argument? Read the posts here, the vast majority just post thoughts and ideas. Very few resort to name calling.
You might find a better audience for your arguments if you just presented them in a civil manner. Wasn't civility going to be restored now that the left is in power??

Rob
Please don't insult me. I read the article. If Sowell is arguing that government should regulate corporations, while arguing that government elites are problems, then he is contradicting himself.

You cannot make a one-to-one correlation of cause and effect with regard to Missile Defense and the fall of the Soviet Union. It's overly simplistic and illogical. Furthermore, it's right-wing propaganda promoted by think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and shills like Sean Hannity.

Yes, we should abandon all government welfare doled to corporations, especially military contractors like Halliburton and Lockhead.

Yes, I should get out more, especially considering I'm responding to someone who fails to understand the irony of reading Sowell.

Mongo
only pawn in game of life. Mongo also have Ph.D. - Post Hole Digger - just like Dr. Sowell. But Mongo still just pawn in game of life like all the other Post Hole Diggers.

If these elite Ph.D.s and others would acknowledge that they are also just pawns in game of life, the world would be a much better place. Great column once again, Dr. Sowell.

I was hoping that LD would chime in on this one.

Wushih - or whatever
Jerry Falwell an elite? You commies always said that he was just some ignorant redneck hick who was even dumber than Mongo in Blazing Saddles. And now you're calling him at elite? Gimme a break dude!!

Such anger, such passion
Wushih, such anger, such passion that holds to the illegal war. I have wondered how it was.
1. Gulf War 1991 resulted in a cease fire the conditions of which could be enforced with military force.
2. No fly zones were created and patrolled by NATO aircraft and shot at regularly by Iraqi AAA.
3. Numerous United Nation sanctions and declarations against Iraq proceeded throughout the 1990s, with some ineffectual retaliation.
4. There being no peace treaty with Iraq there was only a cease fire, which means that military operations could be undertaken without any prior approval by United Nations or Congress, approval had already been given by the United Nations and the United States congress in 1991 for measures to evict Iraqi forces from Kuwait and monitor their activities.
The invasion of Iraq was no different than the occupation of the Rhineland by the French to enforce reparations payment from the Germans after World War I.

Ah, but such anger, such passion in Wushih.
Dr. K.

Peppermint
Re: your response to MikeR @ 9:41AM

Wow! I don't really know how to respond. I'll just say.. that is the highest compliment I have ever received from a woman! I will cherish it always and remember it as a badge of Honor! Thank you Pep!

blustrmom
Sorry I called Sowell lazy. He is a fascist, though, isn't he? He believes in government and corporate collusion, right? I'm surprised at how sensitive you are. You are at townhall.com. Come on. This site, along with Sowell's entire article is insulting to anyone who disagrees with the right-wing agenda. Furthermore, several posts on this site insult people, especially "the left."

I called Sowell lazy because I think he is a right-wing propagandist who is making easy money off blindly loyal and naive people by making obvious and bigoted arguments. Look at his last two articles on townhall. The Anger of the Left and Presumptions of the Left. As if there isn't enough anger and presumptuousness to go around. Replace left with African-American, and maybe you can understand.

Goshawk
You deserve it. You know what a gentleman you are.
You've made me laugh many a day with your little Ha Ha's you send me.

Dr. K.
Why do you assume I'm angry? I am not the one obsessed with "the left" like Thomas Sowell is or others on this site. Furthermore, this invasion of Iraq was not sanctioned by the UN. Secondly, the Nuremberg trial of Nazi War Criminals set the precedent that war is only justified as an act of self-defense against an imminent threat. This war failed to meet that standard. Therefore, it is an act of aggression against a nation that had not attacked us.

If you are worried about violations of UN declarations perhaps you should argue that we should invade Israel, which has violated considerably more declarations than Iraq under Hussein.


Q.E.D.
wushih

Oh, my. I never stated I was worried about United Nations Declarations. I was just stating facts. And a cease fire is not a peace treaty. It is a halt to military operations; in essence a technical state of war still exists between the combatants. There is no need of United Nations approval to re-engage the Iraqis when a technical state of war already existed.
And as to the Anger of the Left and its Presumptions, and what Dr. Sowell has written,
Q.E.D.
Dr. K

Peppermint
What you described in your 9:14 post is something I think a lot of us see.

I saw enough of it to create a name for it, I call it "Channel Intellect". Degreed people can be extremely bright, imaginative, innovative, and creative in their channel but as you said are observed to be virtual idiots when they are forced out of it.

If you observe people you will also identify two other types of "intellect".

There is the "Tape-recorder Intellect" of most of the left, such as Kim, your Lemonhead, and other obvious left-wing dolts. This is the type of "intelligence" that records what they are told by their communist professors, they then go out into life and any discussion with them consists of them hitting play, rewind, play, rewind, play, rewind, and you never get them off the recorded message by countering with common sense, objective observation, or experience.

The last is the "Pond-Scum Intellect", this is the person that always knows a little about everything but nothing in depth. His intellect just floats on the surface like pond scum. But because he has some thin layer of knowledge he substitutes throwing irrelvant things at you instead of actually thinking deep about anything.

Gud Day

Thomas Sowell exposes the libtards again
'wushih" whines: "The Political Right is not immune from central planning, judicial activism, and the nanny state, but Sowell singles out the "left" for his bigoted hate. blay - blah -blah and more blah"...

Thanks for making Dr. Sowell's point... Nothing like a live example of rancid, libtard stupidity to make the point...LOL!

Get a live wushih...

Goshawk, you're right, Ron is
just another liberal trying to toss labels out in order to shut down the exchange of ideas.

I do think, however, that this statement by Dr. Sowell, "That is why free markets, judicial restraint, and reliance on DECISIONS and TRADITIONS growing out of the EXPERIENCES of the MANY (emphasis mine) - rather than the groupthink of the elite few - are so important", leaves a dangerous opening for people like Ron to exploit.

With all due respect to Dr. Sowell, as I am a HUGE fan (I have been long wishing he would run for president), his statement in itself betrays a groupthink premise. America was founded on the idea that men's minds must be free from the compulsion of the state.

Yet the concept of "tradition" is constantly evoked by the Right as a reason for violating the sanctity of the individual and using public money to promote religion in the publicly-funded square. "Public money" is merely money which has been taken by force from the American citizens who spend their own time and energy working for it. To use such seized money to promote religious ideas a person is fundamentally opposed to, is compulsion of men's minds by an ideological "elite" of people claiming to represent the 99% majority.

The idea of toppling the non-intellectual elite would wield far greater influence if conservatives did not give themselves such wiggle room.

DavidMac's comment, "They have deemed themselves to be the elite intellectuals who have the wisdom to decide how we (the proletariat) will live our lives." shows how easily such ideas can be misinterpreted and the misinterpretations promulgated. This anti-"elite" mindset can take hold to the point where ideas don't matter, only liberation from the "bourgeois elite". Then anyone is free to determine who is "bourgeois" and gear up for the attack.

The smallest minority is the individual. Either we are dedicated to the protection of the individual's rights even when it is inconvenient for the rest, or that 99% becomes the new dictatorship.

wussie wushih
It's obvious you have no idea what an elite is. It's also obvious you have no idea what history is either. Your another one that everything that comes out of your mouth is stupid.

Libs and education
Libsd claim to be the greatest supporters of education, yet what have they accomplished. Faculties are rife with shallow headed thinkers emphasising emotion over content. They have created a myriad of Studies departments which teach victimhood rather than content. The libs hail academic credentials when it helps their arguments but disparage them when the fallacies of the thinkers they employ are exposed as frauds. Colleges have become a self-fullfilling fraud in many instances. Advanced degrees are requisite for advancement and tenure but practical experience is discounted as counter productive to intellerctual pursuit. The ivory tower of education has been surplanted by mobs of phony intellectuals attending endless cocktail parties, telling each other they admire the "scholarship" that is going on while hatring any who advance a new simplistic theory before they do. The public education system has not been sending these frauds much material to work with so this perpetual cycle of self whorshop continues unabated. The total fraud of tenure only guarantees medicrity but then many in the universities are un-employable anywhere but in a university setting. But like all libs, they tell themselves they care and that is more important than teaching content.But perhaps that isn't all bad, it does keep an unproductive element out of the way of those who do produce and contribute to the well being of society

Dr. Sowell
Great article. I am glad to see you didn't lose your common sense when you received your diploma. don't ever forget where you came from because that experience is priceless.

wildwest
Yep the most uneducated not only claim to be for education but claim to be educated. Let me see...An Advanced English teacher that was teaching we were allied with the Germans during WWI, college history book that claimed we didn't discover Africa until the 1880's, history teacher teaching all republicans are racist, blah, blah, blah. I could write a dissertation twenty pages long about how the liberals are so for education and being educated. So far I have had three teachers removed and I am working on my fourth.

A promise
I promise never to question the actions, motives, thoughts, or words of the left, or the ideas behind them for I know that they are smarter than me and the rest of the unwashed masses. I now know that they get justifiably angry when I stray from their plantation. I vow not to think any politically incorrect thoughts about personal liberty and responsibility. I defer any and all thoughts to my liberal betters.
I promise to believe that all the evils in the world, including war,famine, drought, pestilence, racism, global warming, crime, poverty, the displacement of industrial workers, the destruction of the environment and the exploitation of children are caused by dead white males and that only today's liberal has the education, the emotional stability and intellectual capacity to save the world.

wushih - fall of USSR
you seemed very knowledgeable about the missile defense system not leading to the fall of the USSR?

can you explain why it fell?

thanks

dollface
stand your ground. The lemmings that follow algore will find a new fad next week. This perpetual search for a "cause" leaves them little time for serious thought. I however find it fascinating that those old broads like to write stop war in the nude. is truly creative but horrible to see but then again libs have to work with the material on hand

dollface
You know, many of Sowell’s fans have made a similar pledge to him. And if you go to Ann Coulter’s site, you will find a link where you can e-sign a similar pledge to her and receive a free photo. I know that our current president would like to be able to receive such a pledge but that’s probably because he has a PhD from an Ivy League school and was a member of so many elite organizations.

The mind of the left is in neutral.
Coasting along on a flat path, with no corners, no obstructions. There are not any hills to climb, or any down hill grades.The mindset of the left is driven by a human passion every person in the world has. A human passion to provide for self, while subject to compassion. Those passions were realized, and directed, by our founding fathers as they established this Republic.(of course thats "founding brothers" and "democracy" for neutral left readers) The people were given the responsibility to direct their passion to drive this country forward. We cannot go forward in neutral with the government driving the people. The only passions, who's needs are met, are those driving.

lolo
Not only did Doctor Sowell not lose common sense when he received his degree, he actually gained it later. He was a committed socialist when he graduated and later disabused himself of his leftist delusions and became the capitalist that he is.

And he is a CAPITALIST, wussie, not a fascist. He does not believe in government collusion with business. He would like to see government out of business. And government collusion with business isn't fascism, anyway. Fascism is strict government control of what is ostensibly private business, which is a step toward outright socialism or communism. It is also the currently preferred model of the American left and the dhimmi-cRAT party, and, it appears, of you.

MikeR
the president has an MBA from Yale. Elitists libs such as yourself again show why you can't b e trusted to write except with crayons

Halliburton
In their anger at the right they always bring up Halliburton.The reason Halliburton gets contracts from the govt.is because of their expertise in the fields of what the govt. needs. There are very few companies in the world capable of doing those jobs.Many other countries hire them for the same reason.

wildwest
Sorry, I meant to say his masters’ degree. Otherwise, I have it on the highest authority that I’m not a liberal. Liberalism has been thoroughly defined here at TH and I do not fit the criteria. For example, Dr. Adams claims that liberals have no sense of humor and can’t recognize satire. Gee, you’re not a liberal are you? Otherwise, I am a bit if an elitist. I’ve always felt myself superior to people who call names and cast out insults as a response.

vidyos
That was a good explanation of the academics to a tee.

With the libs that get on here I no longer argue with them for the most part. It's futile. I've learned that it's a waste of breath. Now, I just usually laugh and make a joke about whatever they say and consider their criticisms of anything I post as being given a medal or gold star for having irritated them so much.

Mike R
If I misread your statement i offer apologies. My weakness however is I can't resist taunting when I think i am engaging libs

Elites & Power
We need to get the blinders off, stop listening to the Dem/GOP propaganda machines, and wake up!BOTH PARTIES ARE OUT FOR POWER, and in this endless quest, they have put out the myth that only they can govern and WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. It is time to stop believing this lie. We can reclaim our inheritance, which we sold for entitlements and pork barrel spending. As the true owners of this great nation, we the people can exercise the authority we have to govern ourselves as a free people if we have the faith and the guts to do so.
If instead, we do the same thing over and over, and expect a different result, we are going to be severely disappointed! Electing another Democrat OR Republican will only result in more big government and less personal freedom. That is an ironclad guarantee and we need to face the truth! Now is the time and this is the election to break the cycle of partisan elite power and restore the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people to their rightful status as the way in which we govern ourselves.
As a candidate for President in 2008, I urge you to check out my website where you will find the only candidate not beholden to any party, any political machine, any corporate sponsor, any corrupt lobbyist. If this isn't the time to break this power hold, when is it going to be the time, exactly when do you think you will get another chance to stop the politicians??
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We can salvage a great future for OUR COUNTRY and our children if we look past old loyalties to a new direction. Think about it, think about it very hard. Opportunities need to be grasped when they appear, and this is that time!! Thanks, Joe

IX-XI
Wow! Great recounting of that moment in history! Definetly worthy of a copy and paste. Thanks.

moses
Of course wushih can't explain why the USSR disintegrated. He thinks the Nuremberg trials "set the precedent that war is only justified as an act of self-defense against an imminent threat." Centuries of European statesmen and philosophers would be astounded to learn that this "precedent" (misnomer in several respects) was not set until after WWII.

A suggestion for wushih: look up a couple of words in the dictionary, "disagree" and "insult." You'll find they don't mean the same thing.

You do sound like someone who is either in college or recently has been. It takes intensive indoctrination by left-wing academia to know with such absolute certainty so many things that aren't so.

wushih
"He is a fascist, though, isn't he? He believes in government and corporate collusion, right?"

I'm fairly certain the answer to that is NO. Do you know what a fascist is?

If you really do then please post your evidence that Sowell qualifies.

liberal elite vs conservative elite
Conservative elites use their right to free speech to express their ideals. Liberal elites use political or positional power to impose their ideals.

For those of you trying to make the case that Sowell or other conservatives are just as bad as liberal elites, please make an honest comparison of the laws and gov't impositions advocated by the two groups.

Oxymoronic PHDs
Years ago someone told me that the key difference between a BS/BA and a PhD is that the BS knows nothing about everything and the PhD knows everything about nothing.

Gently99 wrote about how "in touch" w/ reality the various PHD disciplines are. It boils down to this: we can define truth as corresponding to reality. Those dicsipline that have the most contact with reality are most likely to understand what works and what doesn't. The liberal arts seem to view reality, and therefore truth as a meaningless construct. This is most likely because they are insulated from the results of their decisions.

Okay, fine...
Please be fair and honest. I have offered my opinion and, while I have disagreeable, and called Sowell a lazy fascist, I haven't otherwise called anyone else any names. People are becoming very personal with me, calling me angry or writing my screen name as wussie. Some are writing in a very belittling and condescending way. I apologize if I have. I have been trying to address the one-sidedness of Sowell's argument. Unfortunately, others who have responded to me have proceeded to attack rather than confront the issues I brought up.

There does not seem to be room on this site for disagreement. Many of the responses boarder on out right hero worship of Sowell. If Ronald Reagan is evoked, it is through the rhetoric of virtual deification. For attempting to point out that someone like Reagan can be just as guilty of centralized planning as anyone on the left gets me called stupid or labeled a liberal.

I am interested in getting beyond the reductive binaries of the left against the right arguments. The left represents everything that is wrong with the world, while the right is everything good, which is the sense I get from reading articles like this one by Sowell and its comments. This simply does not leave much room for discussion or disagreement.

I recognize I took the wrong approach in being argumentative and combative, but nonetheless, I don't think there is room for me to stick around. I guess I should just take the advice of one commentator and get out more.

wushih
"Please be fair and honest. I have offered my opinion and, while I have disagreeable, and called Sowell a lazy fascist, I haven't otherwise called anyone else any names."

I'm being fair and honest when I say you're a worthless hypocrite, among other things.

Ignorance
Dr. Sowell began writing about ignorance a couple of months ago. He wrote about a pencil and how no one ith world has all the knowledge neseccary to make something as simple as a pencil. That idea made me realize that we are all ignorant of certain things, and we can choose what things to remain ignorant of. I.E. I don't need to know how to make a pencil, or do brain surgery because there are trustworthy people out there with specialized knowledge that I can turn as the need arises.

The scary thing to me are people who don't recognize those things they are ignorant of. The more highly educated a person is the more lickly they are to succomb to this. Ask any investment advisor which occupational group make the worst investors. They will overwelming tell you Physicians. I guess because they know alot about one thing they think they know all there is to know about the financial markets. This inability to examine our own ignorance can find up being pretty expensive.

I recently taught an Advance Placement Econ class at my son's high school. I used Dr. Sowell example of th epencil to point out to them that they can choose what to be knowledgeable about, and what things to remain ignorant of. I was encouraging them to continue to study economics because it impacts so much of their future, and to not be knowledgeable makes you prey to demagogues.

I heard a quote recently from a teahcer friend of mine. He was applying it to his high school students but I thing it applies to all of us. He said, "they have the comfort of an opinion without the discomfort of facts".

wushih
I have actually engaged in quite a few substantive arguments in the short time I've been corresponding at Townhall. There's a lot of playground nyaah-nyaah-ism here, but some thoughtful posters as well.

You say, "I am interested in getting beyond the reductive binaries of the left against the right arguments."

That's good, but as you acknowledge yourself, calling Thomas Sowell a lazy fascist isn't the way to promote that outcome.

Sowell himself makes an excellent start in getting beyond reductive binaries by proposing that one of the origins of common assumptions on the left is the idea that any one person, or small group of persons, can literally know enough to order and direct the actions of millions of others. This is an opening gambit in a discussion, versus a silly shouting match, if you care to make it one.

Your version of addressing that argument was to launch into a list of what you consider bigoted right-wing elitists. That's not making an argument, it's just venting.

I'm not going to make your arguments for you. But will observe one last time that calling people lazy, fascist, bigoted, naive, incoherent, and so forth, right out of the starting gate, tends to stifle intelligent debate and get people's hackles up. If you think it's condescending to tell you that, I recommend not doing it in the first place.

academia
I will try to spell better on this post.

I recently read an article about the Dean of Admissions at MIT. She said in this article that she did not realize how screwed up the admission process was until her own daughter went through it. We have raised a generation of kids that are competitive as hell to get into the so-called "best" schools, but they can't think. According to this article MIT routinely turns down kids that never received a grade lower then a A, and have perfect SAT scores. So what do they base admission on if it is that competitive. The Dean said they are finding at MIT that their students are great at test taking a regurgitating information, but they can not take that knowledge and transform it into anything useful. In other words they are unable to think creatively, or outside the box. They have been trained only to absorb and give back information.

It makes you wonder who the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs will be.

C
Nice try in mixing apples and oranges. In no way will I EVER try to be nice or a gentleman to a bottom feeding traitorous Liberal!

dyerje
With all due respect, your example falls right into the left/right binary: "Sowell himself makes an excellent start in getting beyond reductive binaries by proposing that one of the origins of common assumptions on the left is the idea that any one person, or small group of persons, can literally know enough to order and direct the actions of millions of others. This is an opening gambit in a discussion, versus a silly shouting match, if you care to make it one." Still, Sowell is only castigating the left for something that occurs across the broad spectrum of humanity.

Furthermore, Sowell never addresses the power/knowledge dynamic. He assumes that knowledge equals power, but he does not acknowledge that power creates knowledge. Again, he only refers to the political left using its power to force knowledge upon others. There is no mention of the ways both the political right and left use power/knowledge to dominate others. Instead, he makes a leap that free markets are the way to go, when this could easily be argued to be another example of elites dictating to others how they should live.

What if you work at Wal-Mart and want to join a union with your other workers. Would that be an acceptable tradition "growing out of the experiences of the many," Sowell's phrase, or would it be a violation of free market ideology? What does the "free market" mean? Does it mean that corporations like Monsanto have the right to own seeds that have grown out of the agricultural traditions of many difficult cultures? The elites at Monsanto want to own and dictate to farmers in the U.S. and in other countries what they can grow.

The problem is clearly larger than the "left." It is clearly larger than government elites. A major problem that Sowell cannot address is neoliberalism, which is euphemistically called the free-market. It is a system where economic and political elites collude mostly to exploit "developing" nations. This is a place to start, not castigating some abstract group like the "left," if any such thing exists.



Tallil2long
Responding to your comments which I repeat below:

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Mr. Sowell IS taking his advice, silly. He isn't trying to *dictate* to the other 99 percent.
Weren't you reading carefully?
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I don't disagree with you regarding Sowell's present column. (It's a pretty good editorial on the value of intellectual humility.)

However, in other columns Sowell frequently violates his own advice, e.g.

[a] "Priceless Politics" columns 02/2007: Here is a classic example of a "PhD economist" telling the rest of us how the economy should be managed. His views are nicely presented, but they are subject to major disagreement even among the most respected academics.

[b] "Global Hot Air" columns 02/2007: In these columns, at times he is presenting his own theories re climate change. Here he is a PhD pontificating outside his own area of expertise.

[c] (many other examples)

I simply wish that Sowell would stick to what he really knows and lowers his intensity. Socrates would be a good exemplar.

wushih
How about you tell us the facts you "know" about missile defense. Frankly, it is obvious from your ignorant comments that you know nothing about it, but are only making snide comments about missile defense from your smell hole.

Plumbers, Housewives, Working Ph.D.'s

Only in America.

A plumber enters a voting booth and votes the way his heart and head tell him.

The housewife does the same thing.

The working Ph.D. does the same thing.

Sort of like juries, one can suppose. It's usual they all vote for the best. Not always, of course. But in this manner all are assured equal footing.

Let's keep it that way.

wushih
Let me start by recommending a book of Sowell's, Knowledge and Decisions, published in 1980. Sowell's investigation of knowledge and decisionmaking has been anything but shallow, as reading this book will reveal.

I'm not clear on your point about knowledge and power, but the formulation of Sowell's critique as referring "to the political left using its power to force knowledge upon others" is inaccurate. It's not "knowledge" he suggests they are forcing on others, but either constraint (requiring someone TO do something) or restraint (requiring someone NOT TO do something), using the force of the state.

To have much of a discussion here we'd need to define several terms, including political right and left, power, knowledge, and dominating others. Going back to some of your earlier comments, for example, if you consider someone like Jerry Falwell to be on the right, how would you demonstrate that he used either knowledge or power, or a knowledge/power dynamic, to dominate -- for instance -- you?

I'm not sure I follow the use of the Wal-Mart and unions example as it relates to tradition, in the sense invoked by Sowell in this column. Sowell has opinions on the political status of labor unions, and on their economic advisability, as he also has broad knowledge of the impact of guilds and unions -- somewhat different animals, but with many of the same consequences -- going back throughout history.

He would not see unionization at Wal-Mart as an issue in which tradition was being either rejected or appealed to. He would be more likely to regard marriage, and father/mother child-rearing, along with the family functioning as society's main economic unit, as elements of "tradition" that provide ready and time-tested solutions and boundaries for healthy societies.

As for the "easy argument" that free markets are an example of elites telling others how to live, Sowell's counterargument is neither shallow nor thoughtless. He points out that in a free market, even "elites," however you may be defining them, are subject to supply and demand.

He would say, for example, that all else aside, there is one reason, and ONLY one ultimate reason, why 87 octane gas is $3.41 a gallon at the Circle K down the street from me: because consumers here will PAY $3.41 a gallon, and sellers will supply it at that price. No elites have the power to force us to buy gas at $3.41 a gallon. Nor do elites have the power to force anyone to voluntarily supply Californians in east Hemet with gas at less than $3.41 a gallon.

That's the kind of argument Sowell, and other free market economists, would make. Knowledge, in this context, is the knowledge each individual participant in the free market mechanism has about elements like his own priorities (e.g., for the consumer) and the cost of bringing gas to market, including the opportunity cost of whatever else the vendor or manufacturer could do with his money instead. That's the kind of knowledge Sowell is talking about.

When you look at the rhetoric of many politicians and pundits -- mostly left, but some on the right as well -- it's clear that they think they know better than consumers, vendors, or manufacturers "how much gas": how much gas we should want, how much gas should cost, how much gas should mean to people's lives. Sowell's point is that, in fact, those opinions aren't, and can't be, based on knowledge broad and deep enough to merit the next step of using the state to force others to conform with them.

wushi(?)
"He assumes that knowledge equals power, but he does not acknowledge that power creates knowledge."

Explain.

Wushih
In general, the difference between left wing elites in America and right wing elites is that leftists believe that gov't force is a legitimate way to advance their ideals. Conservatives/libertarians otoh believe that the only legitimate way to advance ideals is by individual consent.

Ex: I hate smoking. A liberal hates smoking. My solution: solicit restaurants I frequent to keep smoke from me or ban smoking within their store. Liberal solution: Use gov't force to facilitate a ban of smoking in all restaurants.

We agree on the ideal- not having to eat in a smoke filled room... but I will NEVER accept their means as legitimate under our Constitution and tradition of rights and liberty.

I am...
speaking in general terms. There are some people who call themselves "conservative" who are statists like the left. They agree with the left about the means but differ on the objectives. James Dobson often falls into this category IMO. In spite of liberal hatred of him, Jerry Falwell seldom fell into this category.

Liberals in America are statists by definition. Conservatives by definition aren't but some statists get labeled that way because we agree on the type of society we'd like to see.

wushih
I'm not sensitive at all. I repeat, why resort to name calling at all. The names you called the author are your opinion of him, nothing more. One other thing, the term "facists" seems to be thrown around by the left A LOT.
In reading other responses to your posts you seem to have gotten a bit more civil. Queen nance would be very proud of you.
As for the author making money from his writting, that is a brilliant observation my friend. Considering that is what the man does.
Calling conservatives that appreciate his writtings "naive" is being very opinionated to say the least. And just what type of writtings do you follow??? Snippets from rosie o'donnell? Sorry, couldn't resist, my bad.
As for calling the left angry, duh, aren't you?
Of course those that lean to the left follow left wing authors and I daresay it is the same for the right. Guess that's why we still (for the time being) have a two party system.

Gabby
"It is YOUR party that is destroying America."

Says YOUR party. Ridiculous.

Gabby

Perhaps you should define 'destroying'. I have a feeling you are back on the neo-Jacobin thing.

Care to clarify?

Gabby
do you understand socialism? That is advocated by the left. When both clintons make comments that the state is moree important than the individual they are similar to commies. Individual iniative made thios a great country. Stealing the wealth through taxes is counterr=productive to a vibrant economy. Please provide examples of how the right is destoying this country so I will see if I have erred in my thinking

Gabby
Allow me to join the others, define "destroying".
Please, enlighten us.

Why?
Why do we even call Democrats democrats anymore? They are at the very least socialists if not communist.

Shrinque
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you have no reading comprehension what so ever. Your post to me is in the top ten of stupid. Don't ever accuse me of being a dhimmiecrat or fascist idiot. I was born a conservative and shall die a conservative. As to his theories about business colluding with government I am well versed in them since I hold a degree in marketing and economics. How about you nitwit? P.S. He's right. They do it through a back door called lobbying. And yes, lobbying is a business with a payroll before you assume something else stupid.

Dr Sowell
Walter Williams was subbing for Rush one day and interviewed Dr Sowell. The pleasure of listening to these two intellects was a very great experience. Dr. Williams was in awe of Dr Sowell. That these two have found a home amongst conservs must really upset those both running and residing on the dims victim plantation

Nothing is more Elite than Capitalism
Talk about central planning. Let's look at just how elite the capitalist system is.

1.) Stock Exchanges
2.) The Fed
3.) Corporate Boards
4.) C.E.O.s

I laugh when I hear about CEO's talking about why they use off-shore resources. The claim that they, and only they, know the true answer and that all arguments against offshoring are wrong. They rely completely on their elite status to justify their positions. The CEO elites know better than all the working stiffs that taking all the jobs off-shore will somehow make life better for the stiff who just loss his job. The CEO represents possibly 1 person in 300,000 with companies like IBM. Walmart, 1 million.

Nothing is more "elitist" than capitalism. The few and the powerful make decisions that impact billions of people.

The chairman of The Fed just has to word something wrong and BAM the entire system can be damaged.

So what we have here is an elitist shoot out.

The Liberals are claiming Sowell's elitest argument with respect to the good ole boy network of Republican Capitalism and Sowell is claiming elitest liberal socialism/communism.

This argument is as old as Atlas Shrugged. This argument is nothing more than the classic argument that's been going on for generations between capitalism and socialism/communism. In fact, the rise of communism and socialism is historically directly attributed to the tyranny of elitest, financial tyranny.

Sowell adds exactly nothing to the debate and you all think he's smart.




drivebyposting
give a thumbnail of your qualifications. Dr Sowell has a proven track record and a body of work to back up his thinking. Can you say the same?

Tyranny Education
Well, if you really want to read something actually worth reading about tyranny, I'd suggest the Federalist Papers.

Our system of government is nothing if not a bulwark against a constant onslaught of tyrannical forces that get played out every generation.

The Bill of Rights expresses that the most distinct faction, the indvidual, has rights can be equal to collective desires of even the largest of groups. Everyone knows that O.J. Simpson did it, but all Americans appreciate a system that preserves individual rights in the face of group tyranny by mob rule or majority oppression.

Just as kind of a refresher course of what the founders believed.

1.) You can't build Utopia. A country is always under pressure from various factions wanting to enact oppression and tyranny. Thus Jefferson's famous quote about being ever vigilant.

2.) Direct Democracy is a form of tyranny where the majority will always vote against the minority. Representative government allows for votes of conscience.

3.) The best way to mitigate the potential disaster of a faction gaining tyrannical control of the government is to not eliminate them but rather to foster competition. Thus you have the first amendment preserving the freedom of speech and religion. You also get the second amendment and get to own a gun. So, to answer Sowell's essay, the best way to regulate free markets is to let free market systems compete with socialist and communist systems.

4.) Short terms. The length of six years for a Senator was hotly contested among the states when the Constitution was being approved. Long terms were seen as a way for the wealthy to buy themselves seats of power and rule indefinitely. At the time of the Constitution, representatives in the various state governments had to be reelected *every* year.

In short, the Founding Fathers were infinitely wiser than Sowell because they understood that tyranny can come from many and all corners. Therefore, the answer to a corrupt lobbyist is not to ban all lobbyist, but rather to insure that all lobbyist have a competitive chance and to have legislation for the grossest of offences.

Sowell takes just one particular faction and singles them out for their potential for tyranny when in fact every faction will reach for it if given half a chance. Which is foolhardy.

As John Adams deftly pointed out, The Government will corrupt the Church long before the Church will make the Government more moral.

Sowell is a small minded individual who thinks in very small pockets. If you really want to talk about public policy you need to be a John Adams, James Madison or some other visionary who understands that the generalities of human nature.


re: wildwest writes:
Well, Sowell's thesis has been hashed to death ad nausem in academic circles.

If you want to read a counter conservative view supporting elitism, I'd suggest reading Atlas Shrugged or anything by Ayn Rand.

Back in the 1930's and 1940's it was the communist going after the capitilist for their elitism. Ayn Rand defended capitalist elitism such that she is a paragon among many conservatives.

The elitist argument has been used to bash conservatives and liberals alike for well over 200 years.

My point is if you are going to talk politics you ought to at least familiarize yourself with at least the historical basics. Sowell treats elitism as if he just thought of it when in fact the elite arguments are so old and thrashed to death that it would be very difficult to say anything original about it.


drive by posting
actually it would be better for the left to read rand. She celebrates the achievement of the individual a concept that some on the left want to forget . Both clintons have stated that the state is more important than the individual. John Galt would feel betrayed

re: wildwest writes:
You'll get no argument from me. Ayn Rand should be on the required reading list of any University. In fact, I attended a U.C. and it was on the reading list.

If you want to boil down the Protestant vs. Catholic fight it boils down to the Protestants rejecting the elitism of the Pope and the Clergy. Martin Luther nailed the errors of the elitist thinking to their door. Protestants believe everyone has the ability, individual ability, to make their own best path to salvation by a direct conversation with God.

Sowell's arguments could be easily used to argue the Catholic church as being a completely flawed system.

Of course, I'm biased because I'm a Methodist.


He's right
How presumptuous of the nanny state to tell homosexuals they shouldn't be able to marry. Once you acknowledge that you don't have 1% of the knowledge in the world it just becomes presumptuous to tell other people they should have the kinds of marraiges that others think are moral.

drivebyposting
"In fact, the rise of communism and socialism is historically directly attributed to the tyranny of elitest, financial tyranny."

Please clarify what you actually believe. In one breath you are bashing capitalism and in the next you are holding up its primary advocate as required reading material.

If you are trying to advocate for "knowing the enemy", I think you may have erred, and thanks very much. Fifty years after the publication of "Atlas Shrugged", it remains the second most influencial book of all time, next to the Bible.

Hey Wussie Wushih
Did you get your feelings hurt?

re: Julz
What I believe?

What history teaches is that every faction that has had any success requires elitism. Elitism is a part of our nature. Leaders and leadership are the iron in the hemoglobin that carries the oxygen of group behavior.

This country was founded by the brightest and the best leaders. Who can hold a candle to George aWashington these days? Thomas Jefferson?

Here is a maxim that you can take to the bank.

Unbridled capitalism destroys the middle class because the elite rig the system in their favor.

In fact, when left unattended capitalism eventually evolves to a state where 5% of the people hold 95% of the wealth.

Every Capitalist in America should be concerned about the shrinking middle class in this country.

For the last 15 years or so the government has tracked what percentage of total wealth in America the top 20% of the wealthiest Americans hold. That percentage number has gone up alarmingly in the last six years.

Sean Hannity is fond of quoting the tax cut numbers. Hannity likes to point out that even after Bush's tax cuts that the top 1% of this country are still paying historically the highest percentages ever of the total American taxes.

What Sean fails to recognize is that the implication of this is that redistribution of wealth from the middle-to-upper class in this country is happening so fast that the Federal Government can't cut taxes deep enough on the rich such that their overall percentage of the total American taxes paid goes down for them. The middle class is paying less in taxes because they are making less real money.

When the middle class collapses you end up like Mexico which is a case where 95% of the wealth is owned by 5%. They have Democracy. They have capitalism. They cannot create a middle class and they have been trying for over a century. As their neighbor we have no power to help them do so.

I believe the middle class is the goose the lays the golden egg and that capitalism is always working to kill the goose. I want the strongest middle class possible. Most importantly, the elite in the capitalist system get greedy and rig the system in their favor.

Every country that has a strong middle class today also has a strong socialist/communist component in its politics.

Sweden is a country of eight million. Colombia is a country of thirty million. Sweden has brought us Nokia, Errikson, Ikea, and Volvo. Colombia has only ever brought us coffee.

Sweden with its paltry 8 million population has a strong middle class, strong capitalist companies and one of the most socialist of socialist systems and one of the highest standards of living in the world.

Britain, France, Germany, Japan and the U.S. all have strong socialist elements in their politics.

Socialism and communism are the check on the greed of capitalism.

Capitalism can be shown to be very poor at self-regulation. Not just because of elitism, but also because of greed.

What I find to be absolutely hysterical is how Universal Healthcare being touted by Democrats gets labeled as "socialism" by the right wing in this country. Ahh, no. In socialism or communism like China, the STATE OWNS THE COMPANY AND EMPLOYS THE PEOPLE. The state *owns* the property and the companies. The U.S. version of universal health care will not put all doctors on the government payroll and neither will it make all hospitals U.S. government property. That would be socialism or communism.

No, universal healthcare simply means the private health care companies will get paid insurance premiums by the government instead of the employer. Private insurance companies that provide health care insurance will now have to compete with the government much like private schools compete with public schools.

Medicare and Medical are the same thing. The are *insurance* programs. They do not represent government take over of private businesses.

Most conservatives have no clue what socialism and communism really are. Saying Universal Health care insurance is socialism is like saying the government creating and regulating the freeway system is socialism. It's not. The government's role in providing for and maintaining the freeway system is to facilitate a better environment for Capitalism.

Universal health care is really just a conversation about how the capitalist system cannot regulate itself in the health care industry. It has gotten too greedy. The government is going to step in to prevent a health care, financial melt down.

Every country that is 1st world has both capitalism and socialism components. Every one.

The right view point, in my humble opinion, is not to work towards eliminating the socialist components but rather to better understand the checks and balances between socialism and capitalism. With this understanding conservatives can be better armed to argue against the most disastrous elements of socialism and communism. Today, conservatives treat all elements as equally bad, much to their loss.

Capitalism has no check on the greed of the elites and the average man knows this. History has proven elite greed destroys the middle class and that when a tipping point is reached like in Mexico where the elite own too much of the wealth there is no way to go back. The Humpty Dumpty middle class cannot be put back together again.

Conservatives today who try and build government models without socialist politics are guilty of not understanding how free markets have never existed in such a country and worked. Sowell's essay was a waste of time. The right direction is to start thinking about the proper role government programs play in checking runaway capitalist markets like the health care system.

If that liberal proper role is out of sync then the conservatives will have strong powerful arguments to rectify the situation with the public at large.

By labeling all social programs, especially widely popular programs like Social Security, as complete failures conservatives lose political respect, political capital and become impotent.







PhDs
I love this saying, and have seen it demonstrated perfectly:
"A PhD is someone who knows more and more about less and less until finally he or she knows everything about nothing."
This was told to me by a PhD several decades ago.

Dear Rob
Oversimplification and logic are not mutually exclusive. If you don't think much of the intelligence of Dr. Sowell, why do you waste your time reading his columns? Your refutations of his ideas are interesting because they reflect the usual liberal argumentative techniques. Bare assertions, Red herrings, ad hominem attacks, and faulty inductions come so thick and fast that one needs a gill net to catch them all.

I'd love to listen to you debate Dr. Sowell, a man for whose intellect you have so little respect. For you, it would be a chastening experience.

drivebyposting, I thought as much
"Unbridled capitalism destroys the middle class because the elite rig the system in their favor." Take that to the bank, huh?

When was "Unbridled capitalism" ever tried? What we have always had is an interventionalist mixed economy. Socialism-slash-communism (your "check on greed") is merely the seizure of the goods someone else has produced. See where that got the USSR. Even China and France have had to back off.

Are you claiming that education has benefited from "competition"? That would be laughable if it weren't so awful. Private schools don't "compete" against the government. The government takes our money to teach our kids (for "free") in public schools, and when that doesn't happen, we have to come up with our own EXTRA money to pay for private schools. Government does not compete - it siezes. It is highway robbery.

And you want the same government to be providing healthcare??? Universal healthcare only guarantees that the people providing the services will not be able to sustain their practices because of low-balling by the tax-fat government. It WILL be the end of the American health care system as we know it, and we, unlike the Canadians, will have no reasonable border to cross to get what we need when we need it.

The bottom line
"Yet what the political left, ..., share is the notion that knowledgeable and virtuous people like themselves have both a right and a duty to use the power of government to impose their superior knowledge and virtue on others."

That is the essential core of the leftist liberal. And most often, they don't even apply their own notions to themselves - charity, the environment - it's only to make themselves feel virtuous, as opposed to actually doing the right thing.

Not content to concentrate on improving themselves, they must actively destroy everyone else. For our own good.

driveby is confusing two seperate issues
"Unbridled capitalism" is liberty.
"Rigging the system" is political.

The basis for the statment:"Unbridled capitalism destroys the middle class because the elite rig the system in their favor." is therefore flawed.

"Profit or Greed?"
It is no large matter
to see through the veil,
the immoral motives
of those whose who avail,
to judge for themselves
our interest and need.

Through every concoction
they hope to succeed,
to blot out from reason
"Profit or Greed?"

PROFIT = economic gain from what you own, produce or control (capital) by free exchange. This is the prime directive of capitalism and the nature of a (true) market economy.

GREED = economic gain from what others own, produce or control by coercion. This is the prime directive of socialism and the nature of a (false) political economy.

G8R HED
"PROFIT = economic gain from what you own, produce or control (capital) by free exchange. This is the prime directive of capitalism and the nature of a (true) market economy.

GREED = economic gain from what others own, produce or control by coercion. This is the prime directive of socialism and the nature of a (false) political economy. "

Indeed, socialism is slavery.


...and the fallacy of the statement
"Unbridled capitalism destroys the middle class because the elite rig the system in their favor."
is that it equates capitalism with the power to influence government. That is not the fault of capitalism, it is the fault of the governmental system that permits intervention.
Only socialist policies permit the intervention of government into business and property. The socialist policies, therefore, not capitalism, are to blame.

driveby

>>>
In fact, when left unattended capitalism eventually evolves to a state where 5% of the people hold 95% of the wealth.
>>>

Of course, drivebyposting, you have some sort of documentaion to support your claim? I mean those statistics are absolutely proven, right?

The first thing that comes to my mind is Medieval England. The King owned all the land and the peasants paid for everything. That sort of matches your description of evolved capitalism doesn't it where the king owned 95% and the people owned 5%? Was that capitalism?

To the best of my knowledge, the socialistic party seems to want that kind of society. (They would naturally be the king and I would be the peasant)

But honestly, drivebyposting, capitalism as you described it is really a perversion of the real capitalism isn't it?

You said:
>>>
I want the strongest middle class possible.
>>>

I absolutely agree with you.

But the question is how did we get a strong middle class in the first place? A person would get an idea how to earn money. He went into business for himself. If his idea was bought by other people he prospered. If his idea was a stinker he went bust.

Believe or not Paul tells us in the Bible that he worked and supported himself and those who labored with him. He did not accept any help from the people around him. He made and sold tents. This is a lesson in capitalism.

What is your solution? Should we increase taxes and become like the peasants under the King of England or should we reduce taxes so that all can earn a living making 'tents'?

I prefer resorting to the concept of property rights. My property is mine and your property is yours. You can't take my property and I can't take yours. Now that matches the concept of capitalism.

Forget about the obscenely rich. Their property is theirs not yours.

drivebyposting

>>>
Every country that is 1st world has both capitalism and socialism components. Every one.
>>>

The founders of this country were capitalists. There as not a communist in the bunch. And still they forged a country that had as a foundation a belief in God and a faith in the individual to achieve his dream. According to own Declaration of Indepenence we have a right to pursue happiness.

Every country that has a majority (at least of those in power) belief in communism also has the most oppressed citizens. Look at Russia, China, Cambodia, Vietnam. Look at the South American Communists. Look at Cuba.

If Communism is allowed to prosper here in the US we can only expect the same fate. Why do you doubt your own eyes? Why do you reject the testimonies of the victims that have lived through the nightmare?

You are either one of the big men seeking power over us hiding in disguise or you have been brainwashed to do their bidding.

The only other possibility is that your posting is satire.

drivebyposting

>>>
When the middle class collapses you end up like Mexico which is a case where 95% of the wealth is owned by 5%. They have Democracy. They have capitalism. They cannot create a middle class and they have been trying for over a century. As their neighbor we have no power to help them do so.
>>>

Why is our middle class failing? Are the laws stacked against anyone achieving wealth? Is that the fault of Capitalism or is that fault of polititians? Greed is a fault of people not an economic system. And you find greedy people in every system.

drivebyposting
Someone probably already pointed this out, but Mexico most certainly is not a capitalist nation. Mexico is avowedly socialist. The state owns the major industries (including the oil industry), and almost no one can own property, in the sense an American owns it, individually. The robust, widespread real property ownership that underlies small business entrepreneurship -- the job- and value-creating engines of the American economy -- doesn't exist in Mexico.

"Socialist paternalism" is a good characterization of Mexico's economic organization. The phenomenon of 5% of people -- an "elite" -- controlling MORE than 95% of the official economy is typical of socialist economies, not capitalism.

Don't Forget "Democracy", Too
Dr. Sowell:
"knowledgeable and virtuous people like themselves have both a right and a duty to use the power of government to impose their superior knowledge and virtue on others."

Isn't this the manifesto of the Project For A New American Century? Isn't this why we're in Iraq??

Flaming Liberal Multiculturalist
"Isn't this why we're in Iraq??"

No.

Flaming Liberal Multiculturalist
Your undies are showing. How very clever of you to tear Dr. Sowell's words very neatly out of their context:

"Many on the left may protest that they do not believe in the ideas or the political systems that prevailed under Hitler, Stalin or Mao. No doubt that is true.

Yet what the political LEFT, even in democratic countries, SHARE is the NOTION that knowledgeable and virtuous people like themselves have both a right and a duty to use the power of government to impose their superior knowledge and virtue on others.

They may not impose their presumptions wholesale, like the totalitarians, but retail in innumerable restrictions, ranging from economic and nanny state regulations to "hate speech" laws."

You can't make a point without pickpocketing the words of someone smarter than you, can you?


We are in Iraq
Because the Islamists are looking to create a Muslim world under Sharia law. It is their stated goal. America is spearheading the effort to stop that. Would you rather we just let 'em have it?

Julz
"Would you rather we just let 'em have it?"

Yes, that's why they side with the enemy, because the enemy wants what President Bush doesn't.

Current case in point
I think the current immigration bill worming it's way through Congress helps to make Dr. Sowell's point. The vast majority of the American people are staunchly against it. Yet the politicians in Washington are supporting this thing with enthusiasum, and it doesn't seem to matter on which side of the aisle their on. It seems to me that our political elite have turned a deaf ear to the rest of us.

brickman
"The vast majority of the American people are staunchly against it. Yet the politicians in Washington are supporting this thing with enthusiasum, and it doesn't seem to matter on which side of the aisle their on. It seems to me that our political elite have turned a deaf ear to the rest of us."

They claim to have a poll saying that most Americans want amnesty and crap. I don't buy it, I think they're just twisting poll stats.

Another presumption of the left...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4068.html

"Murtha accused of rules violation

Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) threatened to deny any further spending projects to a Republican who challenged him over an earmark last week, the GOP is charging — a potential violation of House rules that could cause a spike in partisan tensions.

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who questioned money that Murtha inserted into an intelligence bill last week, turned the tables Thursday night by saying he would call for Murtha to be reprimanded for violating House rules.

Rogers plans to insert a transcript of their exchange in the Congressional Record to document the potential violation. His resolution will also require a House vote to reprimand Murtha for his comments, according to a draft received by The Politico. Rogers is expected to file it on Monday.

It does not call for an investigation by the Ethics Committee.

'The way I do it'

According to the draft resolution, Murtha shouted at and chastised Rogers on the House floor Thursday for offering a motion last week to challenge $23 million Murtha requested in an intelligence bill.

Murtha had requested the money to prevent the administration from shuttering the National Drug Intelligence Center in Johnstown, Pa., which is part of Murtha’s district.

“I hope you don’t have any earmarks in the defense appropriations bills because they are gone, and you will not get any earmarks now and forever,” Murtha told Rogers, according to the draft transcript given to The Politico.

“This is not the way we do things here — and is that supposed to make me afraid of you?” Rogers replied.

“That’s the way I do it,” Murtha said."


Pretty presumptuous, don't you think?

Alas!
Steve writes:

In my own columns, I keep suggesting that the way to defeat liberalism at the ballot box is NOT to shout our slogans as they shout theirs. Instead, there has to be a rational, fact-based exchange of views insofar as it possible.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch06.html
"The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision.
The whole art consists in doing this so skillfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself, since its function, like the poster, consists in attracting the attention of the crowd, and not in educating those who are already educated or who are striving after education and knowledge, its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect."

Heed the words of one of the greatest spellbinders and tyrants in history. On this subject, he know of what he spoke. And believe me, so do the "liberals"/"progressives". They may not know in whose footsteps they follow, but they do know the effectiveness of the tactics.

Define your terms
Voltaire is credited with first saying, "Define your terms if you want to argue with me."
"Religion" simply means "world view", which, in turn, means "how you think the universe around us in fact actually functions." "Religion", as a word, as a unit of measurement of human ideas, is therefore self-evidently useless for anything but political manipulation. Logic reveals the "separation of church and state" as merely a manipulative "separation of world views." To what purpose? To steal the labor of the ignorant uninformed by deception, of course.
So, since it appears to me that Nature itself IS inherently a free market because the individual possesses an inherently free will, to which being governed by the will of others is anathema, I would love to see some kind of specific definition of the similarly useless and manipulative word, "capitalism."
It seems quite obvious that money-monopoly "capitalism" and money-monopoly "socialism/communism" are the same thing. The elite don't care whether the "left" borrows money for social programs or whether the "right" borrows money for hi-tech weaponry. The elite only care that they control the money supply and collect the "interest" on public and private debt.
Since the root of "capitalism" seems to mean "head," I guess "capitalism" might be defined as an economic system where money controls everything.
I would love to see the self-perceived-as-brilliant drivebyposting come up with a logical and useably specific definition of the word "capitalism." Then everybody in the string might be able to figure out what they're agreeing or disagreeing about.
Personally, I have no problem at all with Dr. Sowell once again bashing the "elite." I do have a problem with drivebyposting not adequately defining his terms, especially the useless and politically manipulative word "capitalism."
In my opinion any person who wants to use coercion or deception (which is a form of coercion) to try to run the life or steal the labor of another person deserves to be defended against (aka "bashed"). I think that's what the likes of Jesus, Tolkien and Rand (among countless others) were trying to teach us. That individuals of apparently lesser accomplishment than Sowell accuse him of petty intellectual inconsistencies doesn't concern me in the least or detract one whit from my enjoyment of his column. It's fun to bash morons. Even Limbaugh is good at it. So who in his right mind can fault Sowell for that?
If by "capitalism," drivebyposting means "voluntary exchanges of produced goods and services in a free marketplace unregulated except for prohibition against fraud," then his grossly nebulous statement, "Unbridled capitalism destroys the middle class because the elite rig the system in their favor," requires further clarification, beginning with the words "unbridled" and "capitalism." He has apparently covertly comingled the natural laws of economics (whatever you tax you get less of, whatever you subsidize you get more of) with the inherently evil and inevitably corrupting coercion of One-Ring political power. It is important not to engage in that kind of confusion if your object is to explain what you thing you know to other minds.

Phd's
If you think the article was about slamming phd's, you missed the point.
I'll be none of those slamming phd's have a phd.
(No, I don't either)


Name Calling
I get a kick out of Leftists when they start
throwing the "Fascist" word at the Right.
Fascism,Communism and Socialism are all
different degrees of Left Wing Politics.
One tactic put forward by Karl Marx was this:
CALL YOUR ENEMY WHAT YOU ARE...LOUDLY
Think about it.

Whoa!
Whoa! Whoa!

Sowell, a clear mind in a sea of darkness.

Morals
K writes:

"While Mr.Sowell and others complain about the intellectual dis-honesty of the left, he seems to forget that the religious-right in this country are the one who are imposing morality on the rest of us."

So you would rather live in a world without any morals?


"While claiming to be the beacons of morality in their personal lives people like Ted Haggard and their ilk seem to indulge in "immoral activities". The amount of hatred from people like Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Jerry Faldwell will self-sustain itself even after their death."

Like the left is so much better with the likes of Sandy "hide the evidence" Berger or Robert KKK Byrd, or Bill " bomb the aspirin factory to get peoples mind off the bj I got in the oval office" Clinton. Sorry but I'd take the morals of the Bush administration over the Clinton administration anyday and twice on Sundays



Re: Presumptions Of The Left
Hello, I was amazed at your comments in your recent article;

"In both cases, the deaths exceeded the deaths caused by Hitler's genocide, which was also a consequence of ignorant presumptions by those with totalitarian power.

Many on the left may protest that they do not believe in the ideas or the political systems that prevailed under Hitler, Stalin or Mao. No doubt that is true.

Yet what the political left, even in democratic countries, share is the notion that knowledgeable and virtuous people like themselves have both a right and a duty to use the power of government to impose their superior knowledge and virtue on others."


I wonder why you never mention the Republican and/or Concervative agenda of taking over the Middle East with thier idea of freedom and democracy.

It seems to me, America has been trying to push thier right-wing agenda, to all corners of the world.

Thank your for the chance to let me express myself.

Corey Mondello
Boston, Massachusetts
http://www.CoreyMondello.com



sounds like a lot of sour grapes . . .
Having a PhD in chemistry, I'd say that you all complain a lot considering how much you enjoy the science and technology benefits that PhDs have developed.

Who are developing all of the cutting-edge pharmaceutical drugs that you would like to make available only to the rich? PhDs

Who develops the military weapons technology that keeps the Republican party's war going in Iraq? PhDs

Who will be needed to expand oil production -- while you cheer as we pay $10 per gallon -- so we don't have to suffer with nasty renewable sources of energy? PhDs

Who does the religious right turn to to try and legitimize "intelligent design"? A PhD! (any willing one will do!)

I'm sorry some of you didn't have the mental ability or discipline to acquire a higher academic degree. Like the rest of you, we PhDs are just trying to do our jobs, support our families, and try to live meaningful lives. Personalities and work ethics vary among us just like they do among you.

Re Peppermint: By the way, no IT person has ever been able to meet MY deadlines when it comes to fixing any of my office or lab computer/network problems.

What an epiphany
I consider myself educated but not so smart that I cannot learn something from even the most inocuous sources. Geez, this one hit me right between the eyes.

I have wondered why the left didn't get it and now I understand that they think that we don't get it. It's like the joke that while watching a parade, one mother observed: "Oh look, junior's the only one in step".

Dr. Sowell is simply recapitulating...
...a key failing of socialism (if not *THE* single and most completely invalidating aspect of socialism and all other forms of central economic and social planning), which was characterized long ago by Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises as "the knowledge problem."

Von Mises first articulated the great and disastrously inescapable flaw at the root of socialism - indeed, all "top-down" *dirigisme* in political economics - in his seminal 1920 paper, "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth."

Succinctly put, he observed that pricing systems in socialist economies were necessarily deficient because if government owned the means of production, then *no* true prices could be obtained for capital goods. In a socialist system (whether "mixed" or complete), transactions in capital goods are nothing more than internal transfers. Such goods are not what economists characterize as "objects of exchange" (unlike final or consumer goods).

In countries afflicted by socialism, capital goods are *unpriced*, meaning that the information - the KNOWLEDGE - necessary to allocate these goods to best effect is lacking. Under such a screwed-up system, where political pull always trumps real need (and need is what creates demand in a "supply-and-demand" free marketplace), there is simply no hope for any sort of efficiency.

Productivity is doomed, enterprise is impossible, bureaucrats bloat like dead cattle in the sun (immobile and stinking), and you get continually worsening poverty, degradation, and what P.J. O'Rourke so eloquently characterized as "Commie concrete."
--

Very good
article Dr Sowell. Why don't you and Walter E. Williams run for Pres/V-Pres? You would have my votes for sure.
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