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Friday, February 23, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Priceless Politics: Part III
by Thomas Sowell
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Senator Barack Obama recently said, "let's allow our unions and their organizers to lift up this country's middle class again."

Ironically, he said it at a time when Detroit automakers have been laying off unionized workers by the tens of thousands, while Toyota has been hiring tens of thousands of non-union American automobile workers.

Labor unions, like the government, can change prices -- in this case, the price of labor -- but without changing the underlying reality that prices convey.

Neither unions nor minimum wage laws change the productivity of workers. All they can do is forbid the employer from paying less than what the government or the unions want the employer to pay.

When that is more than the labor in question produces, some workers who are perfectly capable become "unemployable" only because of wages set above the level of their productivity.

In the short run -- which is what matters to politicians and to union leaders, who both get elected in the short run -- workers who are already on the payroll may get a windfall gain before the market adjusts.

But, sooner or later, the chickens come home to roost. They have been coming home to roost big time in the automobile industry, where hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost over the years.

It is not that people don't want automobiles. Toyota is selling plenty of cars made in its American factories with non-union labor.

Some claim that it is automation, rather than union wages and benefits, that is responsible for declining employment among the Detroit auto workers.

But why are automobile companies buying expensive automated machinery, except that labor has been made expensive enough to make that their next best option?

Senator Obama is being hailed as the newest and freshest face on the American political scene. But he is advocating some of the oldest fallacies, just as if it was the 1960s again, or as if he has learned nothing and forgotten nothing since then.

He thinks higher teacher pay is the answer to the abysmal failures of our education system, which is already far more expensive than the education provided in countries whose students have for decades consistently outperformed ours on international tests.

Senator Obama is for making college "affordable," as if he has never considered that government subsidies push up tuition, just as government subsidies push up agricultural prices, the price of medical care and other prices.

He is also for "alternative fuels," without the slightest thought about the prices of those fuels or the implications of those prices. All this is the old liberal agenda from years past, old wine in new bottles, a new face with old ideas that have been tried and failed repeatedly over the past generation.

Senator Obama is not unique among politicians who want to control prices, as if that is controlling the underlying reality behind the prices.

There is much current political interest in so-called "predatory lending" -- the charging of high interest rates for loans to poor people or to people with low credit ratings.

Nothing will be easier politically than passing laws to limit interest rates or make it harder for lenders to recover their money -- and nothing will cause credit to dry up faster to low-income people, forcing some of them to have to turn to illegal loan sharks, who have their own methods of collecting.

The underlying reality that politicians do not want to face is that here, too, prices convey a reality that is not subject to political control. That reality is that it is far riskier to lend to some people than to others.

That is why the price of a loan -- the interest rate -- is far higher to some people than to others. Far from making extra profits on riskier loans, many lenders have lost millions of dollars on such loans and some have gone bankrupt.

But politics is not about facts. It is about what politicians can get people to believe.

This is part three of a three part series. To read "Priceless Politics" click here, for "Priceless Politics: Part II" click here.

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Obama
Of course Senator Obama will be allowed to get away with this. The MSM is in his pocket, he can do no wrong in their opinion. Joe Sixpack will never hear a disparaging remark on ABC, NBC or SeeBS.

Unions impose unseen costs
Union wage scales are not realy an issue in the Auto industry. Most of the non union transplants pay at or near union rates for assembly plants. The real issue is the hidden costs imposed by unions. In the auto industry union rules impose huge unseen costs that the transplants don't have to deal with. Managers in a union plant lose a great deal of there ability to manage the business. they lose control of who and when someone gets fired. They can't control how long someone stays in a certain job to reduce training costs. They can't control who works overtime. The list is almost endless.

Facts and faith
"But politics is not about facts. It is about what politicians can get people to believe."

That means the best strategy is to teach the facts. If it is done enough, people won't believe mistruths. Keep the facts coming Dr. Sowell!

Oh, please.
Everybody knows that it is greed that sets prices. If government would assume its proper role and make everything more affordable, then everybody could have more of everything that they want. Just about everybody would like to own a nice plasma TV, but the greedy manufacturers insist on gouging customers. Now, if the government would step in and limit the price on those TV's to say, $100, then just about everybody could have one. Especially if the government would step in and subsidize the people that didn't have the $100 to pay.

Prices just keep poor people from having the same things as rich people, and government is supposed to eliminate such inequities. The poor need government to level the playing field against the rich just for this very reason. Rich people have no moral right to hog all of the plasma TV's, yet that is what allowing high prices does. An economic structure that only allows the successful to have nice things is an unfair system indeed.

So don't listen to Thomas Sowell. Instead, listen to the politicians that promise to provide expensive items to poor people at bargain prices. There is no reason that every citizen cannot have a $100 plasma TV, and any good politician will agree.

re: Loyal Democrat
I'm baffled by Loyal Democrat's ignorance of economic issues, especially in light of the fact that s/he is reading Thomas Sowell articles. Go study history and/or look at a communist government that controls prices of all goods/services right down to plasma TVs. How many $100 plasma TVs will you see on the shelves of a store in a communist country? My guess is none since the government is still trying to figure out why it can't seem to feed its people. Prices are not the enemy - they simply allow a value to be set on scarce resources with alternative uses. Price controls always cause shortages or surpluses in the long run because of their effect on incentives.

re: Kroeger
Kroeger, I believe Loyal Democrat is joking...

Loyal Democrat
I'm with simple Bob. Loyal Democrat has got to be joking... Please tell me s/he is joking..

newcomers
LD is typically a brilliant satirist, drawing attention to the illogical logic of the left wing -- this is unfortunately not one if his (or her?) better pieces since it is so patently unbelievable. But I'm still a fan and I'll still keep reading. But when you read something LD writes that makes you say "how could anyone really think that?" know two things: 1) it's a joke, and 2) 10 or 20 million liberals actually do think it.

Kroeger and other newbies
We are not supposed to tell. You are going to feel better if you figure it out yourself.
Go back and read LD very carefully and you find out that it truly can't be a lib. He is too consistent in his arguments. He has no ad hominem and gratuitous insults. He makes a perfect point -- this is the way the lib arguments ultimately take us and they can't deny it. They don't even want to deny it fully because they have to go down the logical path to it's end and they must avoid that like the plague. The rule of the lib is to never follow thru with complete logic to the end. This is a cardinal rule with them. Instead switch topics and divert to another topic and then come back to this topic later and repeat your last irrationality. They avoid LD like the plague because they can't argue.
Look at this:
"Prices just keep poor people from having the same things as rich people, and government is supposed to eliminate such inequities. "
Don't they say that every day in some form. But then LD says what they don't dare say:
"Rich people have no moral right to hog all of the plasma TV's, yet that is what allowing high prices does."
They don't want to admit that this is where the logic leads.
Beautiful, no?
I just wish I had 10% of LD's talent.
Now try not to tell the next newbies the next time you see LD post. They will figure it out.

I was the worst I've seen
I followed LD for days entering blogs about how stupid he was. It took me days to figure it out because no one told me.

BIGbelly
Was about to type a comment when I read your post. And you've said almost exactly what I was going to say. Unions have long ago outlived there usefulness. Now they are just a method to make union heads rich and serve as a political tool. Reminds me a lot of how the Liberals work. Take the employee's dues and use it, without their permission, to back politicians the worker doesn't want.

But once your a member it's like socialism, the leaders control the masses.

The cover is blown??
Loyal Democrat speaks with wit and satire?

I don't think so.

He/she speaks the truth and every liberal knows it. It is only you selfish money hungry industrialists who walk on the backs of the middle class and who want to deny a living wage to the working class.

Socialism is the only legitimate political system which can return fairness and equality to our society, economy and culture.

Of course we will have to all like living in the same housing block and eating the same gruel.

Yeah, I'm for that! I always wanted to grow up and support a wife I never met and a few kids who don't even know my name, and are waiting to car-jack me. But I'm doing my part!!

Fresh face
"Senator Obama is being hailed as the newest and freshest face on the American political scene."

I think the MSM is referring to a black Democratic presidential candidate who has the same liberal ideas but not the baggage of being a blatant race hustler, to use Prof. Sowell's term. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Carol Moseley Braun all had long, well-documented histories of egregious race hustling, so no one ever considered them to be serious candidates.

You know the Democrats are thanking God (oops! I mean, Fate) that Condi Rice isn't running.

sinequanon
Insightful post. I suspect that Prof. Sowell used wages here more as a simplification of "total compensation." If he said that, he'd have to explain it, and he does have space limits to consider. I would also argue that non-union shops must compete with union shops for the highest quality labor, so inflated union wages do not necessarily reflect true market values just because they are "at or near" non-union wages.

Other major unseen costs from unions are exorbitant pensions and health insurance plans. If I'm not mistaken, Prof. Sowell has written columns on these topics as well.

Took me a minute to realize that LD...
was all satire.

Now that I know, he/she cracks me up to no end. I need to collect LD's "back issues" for my personal entertainment.

LD, whoever you are, please become a writer for Fox News' so-called "answers" to Comedy Central's Colbert Report and Jon Stewart. Those guys need HELP.

Fox is adding much fuel to the stereotype that conservatives can't be funny or creative. But you, LD, could fix that.

Re: Liberal Democrat
He/She/it?.. Is either a fine satirist or the most *honest Liberal* to post on Townhall.

Hyundai
Montgomery Alabama has a huge Hyundai complex that is not only attracting all the qualified or qualifyable help in a state where unemployment has been typically quite high. It's also attracting floods of Katrina Refugees who are getting good jobs and settling down and not going home to their dysfunctional lifestyle. And how do they do it?

Standards.

You cannot even get your baby finger inside the Hyundai Empire if you don't pass the background and the drug test. Once you pass that and their other tests, you are sent for intensive training not only in the job which you will execute, but in the culture of the company and what behaviour you are expected to exhibit there. If you pass that training phase, then you are set to work.

Not only is this empire flourishing, but also it is influencing the aspiring generation who want these good jobs and who know that there's not a hope of their getting in the door if they use drugs or commit crimes...or if they can't read, write, speak or count.

And why can Hyundai do this? They're Not Union.

Remember when John F. Kennedy quoted "A rising tide lifts all the boats"? Hyundai's rising tide is not only lifting the economic boats, but the social and moral boats, in their inflexible decision to hold to Standards. And it works.

Perhaps if Obama would stop doing his OJ "I'm white, I'm white, I'm whiter than white" act and go to the Black community and trumpet the Hyundai standards to those who believe the ticket to happiness lies in bouncing a basketball and whose Mommy sends them out to extract revenge with a gun, he'd be able to do a lot more good than he is by simply spouting the platitudes of the Sixties.

What are the chances?

Nil.

The Unions have lost membership because
of their crooked ways. Now they are trying to get the Dems to push through laws that allow them to set up shop without a secret vote. If that doesn't work they will go to the courts.

I agree
with audir10 except for the drug clause. It is of no business to any employer what an employee does in his own home on his own time. As long as that employee gets up and goes to work every morning and doen his job satisfactorily. I lost a whole profession over a contested drug accusation, even though my performance at work was excellent. That whole thing is scary.

That's where experience comes in
The hallmark of inexperience is to tout things that sound wonderful...it takes experience to know what the down-sides and unintended consequences of policies are.
Obama has a lot of growing to do, and alot of mistakes to make. That's ok--I just don't want him to be making them as commander in chief.
I'm not sure what to say about those who actually HAVE the experience, but spout the same inanities ...???

Global Warmth
Drug use is illegal. Why would Hyundai want to hire someone with a casual attitude toward the law? Not to mention the fact that the kind of machinery you use in assembling automobiles and their components requires an alert mind and quick reflexes.

Someone with a habit of coking up and breaking the law has already proved he (or she) is not serious about embracing my corporate culture.

The End.

P.S. I know of two racing drivers who derailed promising careers and were forced out of the championships they had won -- at enormous cost to themselves and their families -- because they put smoking pot above their futures. Since examples were made of both of them and everyone knows who they are, we haven't had that problem again. Makes you want to go hmmmmm, eh?

Global Warmth
Drug use is illegal. Why would Hyundai want to hire someone with a casual attitude toward the law? Not to mention the fact that the kind of machinery you use in assembling automobiles and their components requires an alert mind and quick reflexes.

Someone with a habit of coking up and breaking the law has already proved he (or she) is not serious about embracing my corporate culture, even before he gets his arm taken off by a piece of heavy machinery he wasn't quite sure he saw.

The End.

P.S. I know of two racing drivers who derailed promising careers and were forced out of the championships they had won -- at enormous cost to themselves and their families -- because they put smoking pot above their futures. Since examples were made of both of them and everyone knows who they are, we haven't had that problem again. Makes you want to go hmmmmm, eh?

Union Mindsets
The mind set in big business that made unions neccessary in the first place now exists in the union leadership, so what is needed now is ironically a union to protect the workers from their union.

Unions? Crooked?
Unions are not crooked. Just ask their past president, Jimmy Hoffa.

Does anybody ever
wonder why Thomas Sowell is never courted by the MSM? Does Jack Nicholson, in A few Good Men, bellowing "You can't handle the truth" ring a bell? The last time I saw Sowell on TV was his one and only appearance on The Phil Donohue show circa 1970, when he left Donohue in wide eyed disbelief at the quaint idea that here was a black man who thought for himself while eschewing the conventinal wisdom of the black intelligentsia "we are victims" mindset.

Sowell has not wavered in his philosophical views on economics or government in the past 30 years. Since his columns and books exhude common sense and intelligence, one would think that in a world where wisdom appears to be a rapidly dimishing finite resourc, the law of supply and demand should catapult him to rock star status. Yet he ramains a relative unknown to the general public.

To Mick7
You must have missed the one hour special that Fox News did with Dr. Sowell and Fred Barnes interviewing him. It was a great show.

Unions destroy jobs
Any research will show that over the last 50 years unions destroyed more jobs than they created. It is funny how so many people from up North move South for jobs, and find that they can buy 5 times the home they used to have because we don't have union labor for every phase of construction.
I believe any group of adults can meet with an employer and request opportunites to increase their wages and benefits by working as a team to increase the profit in the company. I also believe that if you believe in the company you work for then you should become a stock holder, not just a stake-holder.
I have a friend that works at Walmart and has aquired over $250,000 in stock and owns a beautiful home she pays for on her $30,000 a yr. salary. Not bad for a high school drop out with little or no previous work-skills. Walmart trained her and helped her build her own wealth.

Unions have made themselves obsolete
Back in the days of child labor and bait and switch hiring and Tom Joad, unions might have been a great thing. But they are now a victim of their own success. Once a person earns a competitive wage (a real number in the marketplace, as opposed to a 'living wage', which is entirely subjective) all the union can do is hinder productivity and threaten jobs by demanding more money and benefits regardless of worker output or company profitability. Unions are now at the point where they have institutionalized non-productivity and rewarded incompetence. Why should Joe bust a hump to earn his 26 dollars an hour when Bill gets the same amount for doing half the work? And why should Bill worry about not producing when he knows he'd practically have to try to assassinate the Pope to get fired, and even then the union would demand rehab?

We all have horror stories about people we know who were told by their superiors on union jobs that "this is all you do in a day, and no more. We need this job to last." I've been told that myself. And we've all seen the union projects that took twice as long to complete than their open shop counterparts.
I don't begrudge anyone a decent wage. I just don't think wages should be based on the desire to have them and the threat to stop work if they aren't provided, absent any economic realitieas.

The Threat is Bigger Than You Think
Unions own the dems (read Linda Chavez's book). They don't "influence" the dems...they actually totally own them.

Obama, Pelosi, and Schillary are only doing what their masters tell them to do. The puppets are currently attempting to push through the incredibly titled, “Employee Free Choice” Act. This act would override prior legislation and do away with private voting for employees. Employees would have to vote 'for' or 'against' unionization publicly instead of privately - which means the union “bosses” (see organized crime, Jimmy Hoffa, etc.) can help “motivate” those who don’t feel unions are necessary. This used to happen in the past, and it’s the reason Congress outlawed the practice.

The unions almost completely fund the dems elections, but union membership is almost dead. The criminals and the dems see their free cash quickly drying up. According to Newsmax, some political observers estimate that if this legislation becomes law it will guarantee a continued Dem majority for 50+ years (and a socialist America).

Be afraid.

Unions destroyed the Big Three
And now Obama wants the Unions to doom America, perhaps? Just what did he learn during his upbringing in the Islamic countries?

The job of unions
is NOT to make their workers more productive. The job of any union is to drive up the pay of their members while driving down the amount of work their members must do. In a union-utopian world, union members will receive an infinite pay for doing no work at all.

Of course, that is what the STATED purpose of a union is.

The reality is completey different today.

Unions' one and only job,a s stated by the law, is to provide a forum for collective bargaining. Unfortunately, practically no union in the nation is involved at all in any collective bargaining. A study of union tax records (which, as unions, are a matter of public record) showed that less than 5% of the union dues collected went to pay for collective bargaining related activities. In fact, fewer than 50% of all unions spent any money at all, and those that did never spent more than 15% of the dues collected.

So where did all the union money go? Why, it went to pay for the lavish lifestyle of the union bosses and to fund Democratic political campaigns.

The Democrats are, and have been for decades, in bed with the mob-run unions because the unions are such a mammoth money machine.

Unreal
Just in case you don't believe the democrat/socialist party is run by the unions/mob, check out these mind-blowing figures. (where are regular moonbats today?)


Union Political Contributions in 2000 Elections (Sep. 5, 2002)

Labor unions made up 11 of the top 20 political action committee contributors to federal candidates in the 2000 election. Here's their rank, how much they gave and whom they supported:

3. International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers: $2.64 million; 96 percent Democrats, 3 percent GOP, 1 percent other

4. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees: $2.59 million; 95 percent Democrats; 5 percent GOP

5. Teamsters: $2.56 million; 93 percent Democrats, 7 percent GOP

7. Laborers: $2.24 million; 91 percent Democrats, 9 percent GOP

8. International Association of Machinists: $2.19 million; 99 percent Democrats, 1 percent GOP

9. United Auto Workers: $2.15 million; 99 percent Democrats, 1 percent GOP

12. Service Employees International Union: $1.86 million; 90 percent Democrats, 10 percent GOP

13. Carpenters Union: $1.85 million; 85 percent Democrats, 15 percent GOP

16. United Food and Commercial Workers: $1.74 million; 97 percent Democrats, 2 percent GOP, 1 percent other

17. National Education Association: $1.72 million; 95 percent Democrats, 5 percent GOP

20. American Federation of Teachers: $1.6 million; 98 percent Democrats, 2 percent GOP



Hidden costs of unions
A couple of years ago I did some engineering contract work for a unionized company which overhauled military aircraft. Often I would need a part to measure, examine, etc. Even though the part was usually in the hangar less than 100 feet from my desk, I couldn't go and get it and bring it back to my desk. I was required to contact the parts department which would dispatch a parts runner to retrieve the part. I would often have to wait hours for a part I could have retrieved in a couple of minutes. This,of course, cut into my productivity and required the company to employ more union employees than it really needed. Had I gone to get the part myself, the union would have filed a grievance requiring arbitration, inflicting even more cost on the company. Incidentally, we could not move furniture or computer equipment from one office to the other. If a piece of furniture was moved across the threshold of a door it had to be done by union workers hired for that purpose. It came as no real surprise when this company lost its contract due to cost overruns and gross schedule slippage. More than a few union jobs disappeared with the contracts. It kinda makes you wonder just who the unions were serving.

suomi
"Unions destroyed the Big Three... And now Obama wants the Unions to doom America, perhaps?"

Obama couldn't care less what the Unions do to America, except perhaps insofar as they create economic ruin that the "compassionate" Left can promise to fix and clean up.

What Obama cares about is being the first - second, if you count Bubba - black president. That's ALL HE CARES ABOUT.

Hidden costs of unions
One of the great hidden costs of unions is bad "products" they produce. I speak of the teachers union and the poorly educated children they produce. These children that come out of our government run/ union controlled school system can't read, can't write and can't do simple math. The teachers union has a strangle hold on on the future of our country.

The unions did one thing right...
...in 1998 they stormed the US Senate and read the riot act to the Dem Senators about the Kyoto treaty that Gore was negotiating at the time in Japan.The unions told the Dems that this treaty would destroy blue collar workers(almost all unionized)jobs.They also reminded the Dems that the unions give vast quantities of money to their friends at election time in addition to providing an army of workers.The Dem Senators got the picture and the Senate voted 95-0 of those present and voting urging Gore not to sign the Treaty document.When have you ever heard of the Senate agreeing 100% on anything?

Gore did it anyway.But when he got home,Clinton just took it and put it in a drawer and never bothered to send it to the Senate for approval.So in America,Kyoto was dead,and I say good riddance.

Nam65-66
Oh it's not good riddance yet. They have squeeled so much about Bush and GW they have to do something now. There are 3 bills in congress for this cr*p now. I have looked at all of them.

LD has a point
Loyal Democrat actually has a point – up to a point. Greed is simply another word for self-interest, and self-interest does in fact set prices. So what? If I am selling plasma television sets, I will charge as much as I can get people to pay. It doesn’t matter if it costs me $5 or $500, I will try to charge $5,000 if I can. Unfortunately for my yacht (nonexistent) and my (nonexistent) Caribbean island home, I cannot get very many people to pay me $5,000 for a plasma TV that they can purchase from Best Buy for $999.

At the end of the day, my greed runs into the customer’s greed: they want to pay as little as possible so they can keep their money to buy THEIR yacht and THEIR Caribbean island home – or whatever else they want. The price is the highest amount of money that their greed permits them to be willing to sacrifice in order to have a plasma TV when that amount exactly matches the lowest amount of money that my greed allows me to be willing to accept in exchange for my plasma TV.

Greed really does set prices, and no knowledgeable economist would dispute that. Where the contention comes into play is the value judgment: when it is stated in terms of individual self-interest, greed is a good thing. It is a sad day when millions of ignorant misguided people believe that self-interest is wrong. The next thing you know, those same people will be telling us that it is wrong to protect ourselves or something…

"Greed is good".
.

Nearly 24 Hours ...
... of comments on Dr. Sowell's excellent column and not one flicker of dispute from the luny left -- not counting Loyal Democrat's satire, of course. High praise, indeed.

To Global Warmth
Regarding drug use: You said..."It is of no business to any employer what an employee does in his own home on his own time."... I'm sure we all agree with that. But how a person takes care of their health (mentally and physically) can and does affect their job performance. And that becomes the employers business.

You also mention that your performance at work was excellent (in your mind?) yet you say "you lost a whole profession over a drug accusation." My question is.. How is it that the situation came to the employers attention? And was evidently enough to let you go.

Non-Union Union-type jobs
It was funny reading "you do this amount of work and no more", as I worked for years at a government contract job, and that was the message from my bosses. The contracting firm was paid by the man-hour, so their primary concern was that we were in our seats at the keyboard 8 hours a day. It didn't matter what we did, just that we were there.

Every project I had would have been a one or two week project at any private firm, yet the government had put 6 or 8 month deadlines on them. And my firm was determined to make sure they lasted every minute of that deadline.

Not sure why I am posting this here, except that it had remarkably union feel to the whole thing. And my memory of that job comes to mind anytime someone suggests the government "fix" a problem. I have to laugh at the suggestion that the government can do anything better than individuals could do it themselves.

Must Reading
Sowell proves once again why he is the greatest columnist on TownHall or probably anywhere. A true conservative that says it better, more understandbly, and more illustratively than anyone else. How a paid chameleon sleazeball like Dick Morris can share the same forum with Sowell is beyond my comprehension.

RE Loyal Democrat
Hey, it's a so-called "free" country, and LD, an allegedly brilliant satirist (read that "deceptive")or not, can say whatever he or she pleases. Thankfully, it is not up to me to decide. If there is a weakness to LD's strategy and tactics, it is that so much time and energy are wasted by newbies until some long-timer points out LD's SOP. One down side is that LD is "inside" humor, and, as such, can be misleading to any reader who is looking to be educated by Dr. Williams. Another down side is that LD's confusing posts can function to defuse the polarization that needs to occur in the culture war (between thesis and antithesis) before synthesis can be achieved. Another downside (upside for elitists) is that it always feels good to think you're smart enough to "get" LD's inside humor, while all the newbie folks who don't immediately get the "joke" have a lower marble count than you do. An up side is that LD's posts can stimulate newbies to participate in the discussion, which sometimes leads to interesting ideas, rhetoric or responses from other posters.
As a person who has zero humor when it comes to One-Ring socialism, I don't appreciate the fact there are millions of Americans who are actually as ignorant as LD pretends to be. Question is, is the satire (aka deception) educational and a wise use of time, or is it a misleading waste of time. Jesus was brilliant. Shakespeare was brilliant. JRR Tolkien was brilliant. I don't think "brilliant" is quite the accurate word for LD. For me the culture war between individual freedom and socialism is too serious for unlabled humor. But, then, that's just stodgy old me.
As a practical matter, however, I do suspect a serious intellectual approach like Dr. Williams' results in more used-to-be-lib converts than LD's unlabeled-as-humor approach. Whether or not LD fills some kind of intellectual niche in the free marketplace of ideas is for others to decide. As for me, I merely give his posts a yawning "Whatever!" and wish him all the best. Now that, thanks to Uncle Alby, I am onto LD, I simply skip his posts so I have more time to read the rest. I have read enough of LD's posts to believe he cannot possibly be that seriously stupid. No one can.
It might be a kindness to newbies for some one to post a product warning following every one of LD's posts: "Newbies, be advised that LD is clever humor posing as stupidity. Don't waste your time taking, or responding to, him seriously."

Other Union Problems
I worked for a company that employs union and non-union employees. A few years back, contract negotiations were stalled for months (with at least one strike as I recall). A main point of contention was that the union did not want its members to have ANY premiums or co-pays for health insurance. No sense of personal responsibility, health care was supposed to be "free" to union members. At the expense of other payers into the system, of course. That's the liberal way.

Loved LD's post.

Today's Unions?
Workers tell the Union what to demand of the Employer.
Agents are elected by popularity and are often too stupid to explain simple facts to the members.
For the Company that provides their livelyhood to survive it must justify it's existence to the Shareholders. If you want more money, find a way for the Company to earn more money then ask for a piece of it. It is that simple.

Where money causes most entities to grow stronger, it weakens Unions.
When the ILWU was the strongest Union in the World it did not own anything or have any money in the U.S.
Dues were paid to an offshore bank that sent checks to pay wages and bills.
Sue that Union? LOL! They had over $10 million in judgments against them and no one ever collected a cent.

Today's Unions own BIG bank accounts, huge buildings in prime locations, big private jets and if an Employer mentions "sue" to an Agent something bad smelling will trickle down his leg.
All they can do for the members is collect dues.

Prices
Price for any given product has only one relation to cost: price > cost. If it is the other way around, you're out of business.

price and value are not always equal.

When price > value, blame the unions.

Given that Japanese car companies have factories in this country, the problem is with the product and not the labor. Even with the additional 1500 dollars a union made car costs, the products are not equal and value goes to the Japanese.

When unions are fully gone from the big three, their cars will still cost more than Japanese equivalents. Who will the big three blame then? Why, the American consumer for being unpatriotic.

Unions
Back in the 1970's, my wife and I were part time college students. She also had a job working as a meat wrapper. The meat cutters union went on strike and my wife and I went to our first union meeting in Long Beach Calif, They told us all about the reasons we were on strike etc. And then he said something I'll never forget. "If any of you ever cross the picket line and become a "scab" worker we will have you killed"!!!! Some of the meat workers were going to lose their homes! but if they tried to get a job at another market they would be killed.----It was then that I began changing to a conservative. Liberalism was not such a good political idealogy.

Able Goodman
You referred to Dr. Williams a few times, but Dr. Sowell wrote this piece, not Williams. Be careful, or people are going to get the impression that all black economists look alike to you.

LD
I picked up on LD's spoof within 2 sentances. The key to detecting a liberal is in the number and type of logical non sequiturs encountered per column inch.

Obama Insanity

.....the only thing unions will lead workers to is the unemployment line as their jobs go to non-union shops or overseas...if Obama doesn't know this then he is a fool ...more likely he is a Socialist .....COLOSSUS

oh for union sake
you are looking at this all wrong!

what about the workers? what about their futures? there is a lot of unskilled people coming out of our high schools and colleges.

what do you expect them to do?

stay home? they need jobs and good jobs too. they need the living wage to keep them off the streets and off of drugs.
if it weren't for the unions, what would the teachers be paid? almost nothing!
merit pay and results based incentives are unfair. thos that were born with all of the advantages get to reap all of the rewards.
greed, greed, greed is what it is. the haves want to keep ALL of the money and refuse to share it with the rest of society.

if you want to be charitable and moral, be pro union. come on people, give unions a chance.

BEWARE OF THE UNION BUG
IN DAYS OF OLD WHEN THE MEAN OL' CAPITALIST RULED WITH AN IRON HAND, THE UNION DID HAVE A PLACE AND IT DID MAKE IT'S MARK. UNFORTUNATELY THE MARK BECAME OBSCURE, MARXISM AND ORGANIZED CRIME WAS USED IN THUGGERY (STILL IS) TO BELAY THE OPPOSITION WITHIN OR WITHOUT, MEMBERS WHO OBJECTED TO THE RULES OR METHODS OF UNION ENFORCEMENT OR COLLECTION WERE SUBJECTED TO EXTRAORDINARY DISCIPLINE, BLACKMAIL, EXTORTION, VANDALISM, ECT.

I HAVE BELONGED TO THREE UNIONS AND AT LEAST SIX ASSOCIATIONS, UNIONS HATE ASSOCIATIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE OPENLY AND WITHOUT INTIMIDATION. I HAVE BEEN ON JOBS AND HAD THE UNION COME ALONG AND ATTEMPT TO SHUT DOWN THE WORK AND AT TIMES THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL. I HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT BY ASSOCIATION AND PICKED UP BY THE UNION FOR A NOMINAL MEMBERSHIP FEE AND I HAVE BEEN BLACKMAILED, THREATENED AND BLANTANTLY LIED TO BY UNIONS FOR SPEAKING OUT AND LOOKING TO IMPROVE A BAD SITUATION.

STATE AND FED LAWS HAVE DONE A LOT TO WEAKEN THE BULLY UNIONS BUT IN RETURN THE UNIONS HAVE TAKEN OVER STATE AND FED EMPLOYEE MEMBERSHIP, FOR A GOODLY FEE OF COURSE. SO NOW WE HAVE THE LARGEST CONCENTRATIONS OF UNIONIZED EMPLOYEES STICKING IT TO THE NON UNION BY DOMINATING THE GOVERNMENT. THIS IS WERE MINORITY RIGHTS BECOME A BIT TESTY, THE UNION IS A MINORITY BUT THEY WIELD A HEAVY HAND IN GREASING THE PALMS OF ELECTEES AND APPOINTEES OR JUST FLAT PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON THEM TO KEEP THE UNION IN A POWERFUL POSITION.

THIS PROVES THAT SOCIALIST NEVER STOP TRYING NO MATTER THE ETHIC OR THE MEAN.

What a genius
Thomas Sowell is a great teacher. He makes complex problems easy to understand. We need more like him. It's too bad we aren't teaching this in our schools.
Publius

sir moses
...read the article again, slowly!!!!
In it, are the answers to your questions...
Only then will you "part the sea"!

sinequanon
Good point.
If there is a consistency to their logic it can't really be a liberal.
It has to skip around alot and change subjects.

Reply To Dr. Sowell

Rush Limbaugh often asks blacks who vote *90% loyalty to the Democratic Party every election, "what has it gotten you?"

No President

Only two Senators in the 130 years since the end of Reconstruction.

One governor at present.

Rush's laser-like question hits us right between the eyes. BINGO!!!!

Fair enough.
***

So I return the question.

Since Dr. Sowell is a universally recognized expert in economics and politics, why doesn't the conservative movement convince him to run for President.

I know he's not interested, but that's no excuse.

Eisenhower felt the same way, but when the big boys get in those smoky rooms, start chomping on those Cuban cigars blowing smoke, saying "The country needs you Doc; you are the only one who can do this, and by the way here's $80 million to run, $25 million new home, payment of all your bills, and full-ride education stipends for your children or grand-children, most reluctant candidates won't say no.
***

So get busy conservatives and convince Dr. Sowell to run.

I'll even volunteer to write his speech surrounding the following economic topics:

US Coinage
Credit Scores
Check Cashing
Down payments on homes
College Athletes

"Ladies and gentleman,

Thank you for coming to my announcement address, here on the balcony above the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, where the last 15 minutes of trading has been suspended for this historic event.

It has been reported that there are 17,001 people here on the Floor and standing outside listening and looking on the Jumbotron, so we already beat Obama's 17,000 people Chicago address.

Also want to thank the media, NYT, LAT, Des Moines Register, St. Louis Post Dispatch, San Francisco Chronicle, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, C-SPAN, the bloggersphere, with a world wide audience estimated at one billion. We even beat the Superbowl numbers.

I will be the first President in the history of the United states to put a black person on US Coins or Bills.

As you know I do not believe in affirmative action for black people, but I do believe in rural admits for mostly white people, as a way to get underrepresented rural white people into the university system.

Blacks are underrepresented on US coinage, so on the theory of "underrepresentation" I will send a proposal to congress to have either, Martin King, Bessie Coleman, Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. or some other deserving black be put on our coinage or bills.

What about the "Presidents only rule."

Out the door. Gone. Bye-Bye. It's as simple as that.

You can't take away marbles from a whole people and then say only marble players can be on coins.

You can't put people in slavery, then black codes, then Jim Crow, then deny the right to vote, then suppress the black vote in every election, deny the Presidency by assassinating potential candidates either through violence as in the case of MLK, or through cheater politics, as in the case of Harold Ford and the RNC's Naked White Lady Tennessee Ad, and then claim only Presidents can be on coinage.

Plus Susan B. Anthony and Pocahontas have had their shot.

So a black person will be on a coin if I'm elected to the White House.
***

Credit Scores will be eliminated for 10 years.

Studies have shown that blacks of the same socio-economic status as whites are discriminated against with regards to loans.

Why should experion, transunion, and equifax have such a strangle-hold on our lives, from cradle to grave, people we've never met, no one knows who they are, have unlimited control, and who are above the law.

No one else in our country has that kind of power, not the president, the congress or the supreme court.

No one in a democracy should have that kind of power.

That's why I'm going to make them get real jobs; just like the rest of us.

[The audience goes wild.]

How long have they had to be fair to blacks, 50 years, 100 years, 200 years, since their inception, whenever that was?

They've had their chance, now me and congress will straighten them out.

I'm tired of these organizations discriminating and then hollering about "no government correction, we can do it on our own," when government steps in to level the playing field.

Give me a flying break!!!

If you can do it on your own, then why do you continue to discriminate?

So that the banks do not get hurt by this, we'll take the average of their losses from loans over the last 10 years, and give them 10% above to cover potential losses.

We don't want to hurt the banks, we just want to get rid of all the hangers-ons who have grown up around the financial industry, over the years.

If we can gladly give $500 billion to the rat-hole that is Iraq, we can fund the banks and the people with this.

After 10 years, we'll give the credit score keepers another chance for 5 years.

If they continue to discriminate after that, we'll ask congress to eliminate them permanently.

I know this is strong medicine, but we are determined to wipe out discriminatory loans, where possible.
***

Close the 60% interest ghetto check cashing places, period.

Arrest the loan sharks.

For those who say that 60% interest loans are better for the ghetto, than no loans at all, I say mandate that congress, the supreme court, the president, university professors and columnist get 60% loans, until ghetto loans are equalized with the general market.

Let the check cashiers and loan sharks go out and get real jobs, just like the rest of us.

[People in Peoria Illinois and Arizona are dancing in the streets.]
***

Presently, some cities offer zero percent loans up to $50,000 for first time homebuyers, for down payments on homes.

As long as the homebuyer stays in home for 30 years, the loan does not have to be paid back.

Sounds good but this is a ponzi scheme, bait and switch, which helps other financial interest, not the homeowner, and makes no economic sense.

In today’s mobile society, how many people have been in the same house for 30 years?

People move around, go where the jobs are. Suppose your job moves overseas, or your good neighborhood changes to a drug infested one, are you supposed to stay there at the risk of your and your children's lives?

So if you sell the home,(if you can sell it, who is going to buy into a drug infested neighborhood?), you won't be able to make a profit.

While middle and upper classes can buy and sell homes like crazy, taking advantage of market forces, the 30 years deal condemns poor people to a life of ghetto misery.

So, we'll make it interest free grant after 5 years.

This means that if you sell the home before the 5 years, you'll have to pay back the 50,000 loan plus interest.

That's only fair.

However, after the 5 years, it becomes a grant.

That way poor people can participate in the market just like everyone else.

Again, we spent $500 billion to bail out the savings and loans industry, so now we are going to do something that makes economic sense for the people.
***

In my adminitration, student athletes will get paid.

Universties make hundreds of millions every year off of footbal and other sports, yet football players and other athletes don't get paid.

Nick Saba a loser at the NFL's Miami just got a $32 million college coaching job at Alabama, yet Alabama and other's schools football players get zilch, zero, nothing.

So we are going to pay athletes.

The payment would be in this order:

Medical and housing assistants for the athletes's grand parents.

Job and education assistance for athlete's sisters and brothers

Education assistance for the athlete's own children.

Job and housing assistance for the athlete's parents.

That way the athlete isn't directly benefitted, but assistance is still provided.
***

Stop the presses!!!

Unheard of!!!!

November 2008:

Dr. Sowell has just been elected President of the United States with an unprecedented 80& of the polular votes, 97% of the black votes, 92% of the electoral vote.

And even Black Knight who once vowed that he would vote conservative only when the Pacific Ocean dried up, voted for Dr. Sowell.

There has been a sea change in America.

And then I woke up.
***




*=Charlie Crist got about 20% of the black vote. Conservatives better study that to see how he did it.





Black Knight
Why does race even have to be a part of the speech? Why not just let Thomas Sowell's great ideas rule the day? Anyone can say they are going to put an African American on a coin, in fact Booker T Washington and George W Carver have already been on coins. When you talk about credit ratings and loan rates you are expousing principles that are the opposite of Mr Sowell's. He is for less government interference, not more. Finally, I think taking a stand on the payment of NCAA athletes is hardly a national issue worth discussing in a Presidential election. I do however like your idea of Mr Sowell running for President, just not on your platform.
Publius

Reply to Publius
Publius writes: Saturday, February, 24, 2007 5:18 PM
Black Knight
Why does race even have to be a part of the speech? Why not just let Thomas Sowell's great ideas rule the day? Anyone can say they are going to put an African American on a coin, in fact Booker T Washington and George W Carver have already been on coins. When you talk about credit ratings and loan rates you are expousing principles that are the opposite of Mr Sowell's. He is for less government interference, not more. Finally, I think taking a stand on the payment of NCAA athletes is hardly a national issue worth discussing in a Presidential election. I do however like your idea of Mr Sowell running for President, just not on your platform, Publius(P)."
***



Ok, Pubilus, you have ten 12oz glasses lined up in a straight line. Nine have orange Kool-aid in them and one has grape Kool-aid in it.

How do you tell someone to make one efficient move, and one move only, and remove only the grape one from the line up, without mentioning the grape one?

I suppose you could say, "remove the one with a different color," or "remove the one that's different."

But in the former case you've still mentioned color, and in the last case, you've still "implied" color.
***

If you and your best buddy come to work everyday late, and he gets fired for being late and you don't, what does that tell you?

Right!!!

If you keep being late, you'll be next.

The message of the consequences of your tardiness has been communicated to you, without HR having to say a word to you.

Similarly race is all over the page, whether we mention it or not.

My point is, if you mention color, "you've mentioned color," or if you "leave color out," you've still mentioned color

Finally, don't blame the messenger, (me), for the message.

My old drill sergeant used to tell the malcontents, "I didn't give you an article-15, you did it to yourself, I just signed the papers."

I didn't make all of America's coins all-white, I just pointed it out to you.
***

What denomination of mass circulation coins or bills, of today, which can be used in everyday money transactions, nickels, dimes, quarters, silver dollars, dollar bills, $10s, $20s, $50s, $100s, $1000s, have Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver been on?

Already been on?

I want to see a black person on a general circulation coin or bill today, NOW!!! Give black kids a chance to see their heros too on a coin or bill.

Can you produce one?
***

I presented real problems of real people. Dr. Sowell can take them up or anyone else can, or no one.

Doesn't matter who, the problems are still there, even if everyone continues to pretend that they are not.

I'm for less government interference too, but not at the expense of poor black people who are getting their eyes gouged out by these high interest rates.

If you think that 60% interest rates are OK, then be my guest and go ahead and borrow at that rate.
***

Your opinon about the NCAA athletes is your opinion, and you are welcome too it.

I guess you also criticized President Bush for mentioning college and pro athletes in his State of the Union speech concerning steroids.
***

Well let's start the momentum to get Dr. Sowell to run.

Welcome aboard.

Finally, my agenda speaks to my interests. In America you are free to vote for whomever represents your interests.

So go ahead and make up your own agenda, the one that speaks to your interests.

Doesn't bother me at all.

Black Knight
Orange Kool Aid, Grape Kool Aid, which one quenches my thirst best is the one I am choosing, color be damned.

Your analogy could just have easily used size, shape, can or bottle, etc. I reject your premise that everything must be seen in terms of color and used performance as the metric instead. That was my original challenge to you and your platform for Thomas Sowell. I think MLK said the same thing in his "I have a dream" speech.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

I wholeheartedly agree.

Your drill Sgt was a smart man. BTW and GWC were on 50 cent pieces for a while. I'm all for an African American of note on a widely circulated bill.

No doubt about it we all have our opinions and we are all entitled to them. I wish I could convince you about the interest rates, but if Thomas Sowell can't then I suppose I can't either.

OK, let's get out our pens and start the write in candidate campaign.

Reply to Publius

"Black Knight
Orange Kool Aid, Grape Kool Aid, which one quenches my thirst best is the one I am choosing, color be damned.

Your analogy could just have easily used size, shape, can or bottle, etc. I reject your premise that everything must be seen in terms of color and used performance as the metric instead. That was my original challenge to you and your platform for Thomas Sowell. I think MLK said the same thing in his "I have a dream" speech.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

I wholeheartedly agree.

Your drill Sgt was a smart man. BTW and GWC were on 50 cent pieces for a while. I'm all for an African American of note on a widely circulated bill.

No doubt about it we all have our opinions and we are all entitled to them. I wish I could convince you about the interest rates, but if Thomas Sowell can't then I suppose I can't either.

OK, let's get out our pens and start the write in candidate campaign (P)."
***



Typical response from the right wing. They always devolve to their favorite rhetorical fallacy, "the straw man."

The point wasn't "what he chose to drink," but rather, no matter if one mentions race or not, it doesn't matter, "it has been mentioned."

He chose to ignore it, deny it, or not accept it; which is OK, but it doesn't change a thing.

But that's also typical of how they operate.
***

It's all a part of their historical game plan:

It wasn't about being anti-black George Wallace said, it was about States Rights; all the while DENYING, IGNORING, NOT ACCEPTING, the fact that the qualified black kids' individual rights to attend the University of Alabama trumped States Rights.

We've seen it all before.

Now the world can see it.
***

Yes, you agree that a black coin or bill should be minted ONLY AFTER FIRST TRYING TO LEAVE THE FALSE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, AND THAT A GENERAL CIRCULATION BLACK COIN HAD ALREADY BEEN MINTED.

Well a second or third tier Commemorative Coin of black leaders along with thousands of others may be satisfactory with you.

But that doesn't cut it with me!!!

A black person should be on a first tier general circulation coin or bill right now!!!

NOW!!!!
***

Dr. Sowell doesn't need me to write a platform for him. He is 100% capabale of writing one for himself.

The purpose of my agenda as written is as a shout out to any politician, Sowell, Obama, Clinton, Romney, McCain or whomever, to stop shucking and jiving the black community every four years; get down and start solving real problems of real people.

They can all dismiss everything I said, but it's not not going to solve the 60% interest rates in the ghetto.
***

Yes, and Martin Luther King also said this:

"In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check.

When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.

This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."(MLK).
***

World take note.

Note, conservatives always quote the "content of character" part of the speech, but never the "insufficient funds," part of it.
***

Sixty percent interest rates in the ghetto are satisfactory to you and Dr. Sowell, so go ahead and borrow at that rate; along with congress, the president, the supreme court, university professors, and columnist.
***

Starting out with two liens on your house, the 30-year down payment (NO)deal, plus the mortgage, is satisfactory with you, but it's not with me.

It is satisfactory with you that we can spend $500 billion dollars to bailout billionaires, the savings and loan industry, and $500 billion to fight in the rat hole Iraq, ($12 billion of which just walked, nobody knows where the heck it went), yet giving $50,000 grants for downpayments to house American citizens, is objectionable.

That is not satisfactory with me.

No poltician has to agree with me.

Nobody in America has to agree with me.

It doesn't change a thing.

I still say that IT IS UNSATISFACTORY!!!
***

I thought you believed in merit based performance.

It is satisfactory to you for loser Nick Saban to get $32 million to coach at the University of Alabama while his players toil for nothing.

At least get someone who was a winner in their last assignment for that kind of money.

Unpaid athletes is NOT satisfactory, period!!!
***




Heck, I don't have to pay it

If I were a politician I'd be for even higher wages all around. What the heck, I don't have to pay it, some other schmuck will have to pay it and by that time I'll have my golden parachute.

Heck I think I'll run for something, some "office" that is. I don't have to have a "cause" or a position (plaatform) on any thing in particular like abortion, gay rights, taxes or anything else, just some good one-liners. I can find those on the web I bet and with some good "writers" like John Edwards OOPS - well voters will see my pretty face and forget what I said about the Virgin Mary and the Holy Spirit - that was just them talking, not me.

Ed

unions
I have been in unions, I have crossed picket lines, and I have worked non union construction as well. I too believe that unions as such are outdated. The unions that I have been involved in are motivated more by pure survival instinct than by actually helping the worker in long term, much like a politician is.

Dr. Sowell is spot on in what he says and Black Knight's "dream" is very interesting, as are the very different and wide ranging issues he raises. I think it would be very interesting to have 2 black candidates, one from each party, so that the race thing would become a non issue, and it would take the "I just want to see a black President" thing out of it. People could then vote for ideas that were of concern to them, or made sense, instead of just voting the party line.

problem is not with unions
The problem is not with unions per se, but with a government that enacts laws that prevent employers from hiring and firing at will. (which they should be able to, given private property rights)

Seen apart from any government laws protecting their position, I don't see anything inherently uncapitalist about people forming a union to collectively bargain.

Good article except one point
Dr. Sowell's article was excellent, but I take exception to one point.

"There is much current political interest in so-called "predatory lending" -- the charging of high interest rates for loans to poor people or to people with low credit ratings.

Nothing will be easier politically than passing laws to limit interest rates or make it harder for lenders to recover their money -- and nothing will cause credit to dry up faster to low-income people, forcing some of them to have to turn to illegal loan sharks, who have their own methods of collecting."

I have seen both sides of the credit for poor people industry. As a pastor, who often helps to counsel people who have made bad financial choices, and as a collector for a credit card company that intentionally sold to the "subprime" market (those people with a bad credit rating.) I was a good collector, and the collector of the month plaque I got proved it. In saying that though I often got frustrated with morally grey and even specifically morally wrong things I was asked to do in trying to collect. And if what other collectors who had worked in at other companies said was true, then my company, Premier Bankcard, was actually one of the "more ethical companies."

Should people be responsible for their financial choices? Yes, but companies charging unbelievable interest, incredible fees, and selling to people least able to understand such things should also be held morally responsible for their behavior even if they are technically within the law.

If a woman dresses in skimpy clothes, goes to a college party, gets drunk, and then gets raped, whose fault is it. Obviously, she did some stupid things, but we still hold the rapist responsible for his behavior.

My point here is that companies who sell credit to poor people are not just making good financial decisions, they are often taking advantage of people who can least afford to pay. And it hurts everyone, because these people end up bankrupt, broke, and with broken families. Who ends up paying for their medical bills, childcare, fostercare, etc? Everyone else. Now are financial institutions whole to blame for all these social ills? No, but they are part of the problem.

If the laws were written to stop predatory lending, then less credit would flow to these poor people, and that would be a good thing!! Guess what, these people are not using their credit to buy homes and food, they are using it to buy cell phones and big screen TVs, and then they use food stamps and rent assistance to live.

If they did not have a TV to watch and a cell phone to talk on they might be more encouraged to get a job, and pay for their own stuff!

Unions not always needed.
I'm a Field Service Engineer for a DOW 30 automation company. I've visited a lot of factories.

Most of the time unions just aren't need in the US today.

I know two factories in the same industry less than a hundred miles apart the non-union one pays better and has better benefits. There's another union plant, same industry, in a nearby state that is shutting down. They can't get their workers to produce because the union protects them. That one is shutting down.


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Reply To Papalagnav
"papalagnav writes: Monday, February, 26, 2007 2:22 AM
unions
I have been in unions, I have crossed picket lines, and I have worked non union construction as well. I too believe that unions as such are outdated. The unions that I have been involved in are motivated more by pure survival instinct than by actually helping the worker in long term, much like a politician is.

Dr. Sowell is spot on in what he says and Black Knight's "dream" is very interesting, as are the very different and wide ranging issues he raises. I think it would be very interesting to have 2 black candidates, one from each party, so that the race thing would become a non issue, and it would take the "I just want to see a black President" thing out of it. People could then vote for ideas that were of concern to them, or made sense, instead of just voting the party line (P)."
***


Thank you.

You are 100% correct.


Reply to Movewater
"movwater writes: Tuesday, February, 27, 2007 10:59 AM
Re: Condoleezza Rice
"Charlie Crist got about 20% of the black vote. Conservatives better study that to see how he did it."

Actually it was about 18%, and it appears that this was because Crist held the same black voters as did Bush in 1998 (14%) but the black voter turn-out in 2006 was lower than 1998, giving Crist a higher presentage of total voting blacks (M)."
***



George Bush got 9% of the Black vote.
***

Eighteen percent is closer to 20% than it is to 14%.
***

Charlie Crist got about 20% of the black vote for the following reasons:

(1). Charlie Crist embraced Civil Rights while the National Republican Party went the other way, as they always do, and embraced the racist Naked Tennessee White Lady Ad to derail Harold Ford:

"As attorney general, Crist fought for authority to investigate civil rights cases. Last month, he closed the file on a 1951 case in which two black men were killed in a house bombing by Ku Klux Klan members".

(2). Jim Davis, Crist's Democratic opponent voted not to compensate two wrongly convicted black men in the 1990s; while Charlie Crist not only voted for the compensation, but was a co-sponser for the compensation.

(3). Post election, Crist has continued to reach out to blacks by not embracing the insulting "darkey" Way Down Upon The Suwannee River Florida song.

(4). So Charlie Crist has a long history of trying to be fair to blacks, something the National right wing conservative GOP does not do.
***

World, note how the poster didn't mention any of these facts.

That's precisley why the National GOP always gets it WRONG, and stays mired at 9%!!!





unions
unions are outdated dinosaurs that belong on the trash pile.most of them are money raisers for left wing political causes,all aunion is interested in is your dues thry dont really care about the workers

Reply to Black Knight
I am completely in agreement with you! It's amazing how racially insensitive other's comments are on here in trying to "help." I have no clue where AudiR10 was coming from saying Obama was claiming to be white or some garbage. Then conservatives wonder why african-americans don't listen to them. Democrats are doing nothing for african-americans, but at least they aren't completely ignoring them and arguing against some of the realities that they face as conservatives do!
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