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Tuesday, February 20, 2007
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Priceless Politics
by Thomas Sowell
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Among the many rationales used to defend the welfare state, the most powerful is that it is necessary, in order to take care of the poor and the downtrodden. But the amount of money required to bring every poor person in the country above the official poverty line is a fraction of what is spent by government on the welfare state.

Put bluntly, the poor are in effect being used as human shields in the political wars over government spending, which extends far beyond anyone who could even plausibly be called poor.

Politicians will spend money wherever that is likely to increase their chances of getting re-elected. Of all the things that governments spend money on, none is further removed from fighting poverty than municipal golf courses.

Are the taxpayers being asked to support municipal golf courses so that the poor and the downtrodden can play? Not bloody likely.

San Francisco has six municipal golf courses -- and they are losing money. Now there is all sorts of hand-wringing over what to do about it.

An economist might see this as a non-problem. If the golf courses are losing money, then get rid of them. Given San Francisco's sky high land prices, selling the land that the golf courses are on would bring in millions, if not billions, of dollars.

But such advice is why so few economists get elected to political office.

A politician has to be all things to all people -- a friend of the golfers, a protector of the workers who maintain the golf courses, and of course a believer in mother and apple pie.

Even the suggestion that the golf courses might be turned over to some private operator of golf courses has caused opposition. One golfer declared: "Privatization would raise greens fees. Nobody could afford it."

This is the kind of talk that has to be taken seriously by elected officials, even if an economist would dismiss it as sheer nonsense. Have you ever heard of any business raising its prices to the point where it no longer had any customers?

Obviously, what "Nobody could afford it" really means is that this particular golfer and others like him might not be willing to pay it. But that is the whole point of prices -- to determine where resources go when different people want to use the same resources for different purposes and have to bid against each other.

If you put San Francisco's golf courses on the open market, in a city with a serious housing shortage and sky high housing prices, chances are good that the land occupied by golf courses would quickly be bid away by those who would build some much-needed housing.

Of course, this would make the city's municipal golf course workers unhappy. And unhappy municipal workers can be a big problem for a politician, especially if these are union workers.

How have San Francisco's golf courses been kept going when they cost more to maintain than they are receiving in fees from the golfers who use them? Recent renovations alone cost more than $23 million.

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, "the city closed the gap with $16.6 million from state bond funds meant for recreation and park projects in underserved and economically disadvantaged areas." In other words, the poor have once again been used as human shields, this time to protect golfers.

The great allure of government programs in general for many people is that these programs allow decisions to be made without having to worry about the constraints of prices, which confront people at every turn in a free market.

They see prices as just obstacles or nuisances, instead of seeing them as messages conveying underlying realities that are there, whether or not prices are allowed to function. What prices are telling San Francisco is that municipal golf courses cost more than they are worth -- not in my opinion, but in the actions of people who are spending their own hard-earned money.

But what politician wants to hear that? Politics is priceless.

This is part one of a three part series. To read "Priceless Politics: Part II" click here, for "Priceless Politics: Part III" click here.

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To Mr. Sowell;
You are missing part of the argument as well, the politicians like to play golf.

Purpose of government
The purpose of government is to reduce the cost of life for liberals and, as Dr. Sowell noted, the poor are used as shields.

Golf courses, operas, ballet companies, hybrid autos, PV energy panels even college education all recieve huge amounts of government $ through direct grants and/or tax credits. But the cost of particpation is still too high for average americans.

Government of the Liberals, by the Liberals, for the Liberals. Conservatives just get to pay.

Free Market?
In San Francisco? Free Market? Not if the entitled municipal and union workers have anything to say about it.

Good column Thomas, but allow me to say that you will need more and better examples of this sort of thing if you wish to effect a change, either in the system or in the minds of many of your readers who believe in entitlement.

Huh?
Just a few things here, Thomas. Outside of municipal golf courses -- in any American city -- what other park service are citizens required to pay a fee to use?

Virtually none.

What other sport in America is virtually scandal free?

None.

In every city in America, where can a citizen always find peace?

The golf course.

However, the point of your article is that politicians are dirty rotten scoundrels. Nothing knew here.

But, if you're serious about selling off the golf courses, let's include selling off all municipal recreation sites: the swimming poools, baseball diamonds, basketball courts, soccer fields, picnic grounds, playgrounds, etc. Money can also be saved by getting rid of school gymnasiums, sports fields, stadiums, etc.

And if you can pull this off, I will be the first to bid on your city's Golden Gate Park. If the idea catches on, next I would like to make a bid on New York City's Central Park.

The golf courses of America are about the only places left where one can find citizens practicing good character. Thomas, you might investigate this phenomenon. Perhaps then you might be more willing to put up with any politcal skulduggery that will help keep them going.


To snotonmyscreen
Have you used any park services lately? Nearly everyone I have been to lately charges a fee.

So what?
If the fees charged at municipal golf courses are not adequate to keep the facilities open, then there is no merit to the argument "At least we're paying to use this".

If golf is so wonderful, there should be no shortage of customers lining up to play it, without involving my tax dollars.

To Mondamay
If tyhat is the case for "Golf Parks" then it should be the case for ALL parks.

not always, Mr. Sowell

Mr. Sowell should be very careful with the idea that maximum economic return should be the determining factor regarding land use. Or has everyone forgotten Kelo v. New London?

Taxes pay for things people won't
If you look at what is "subsidized" in the matter of recreation or entertainment, it is always something the marketplace has rejected. In Kanukistan there are huge grants given to "starving artists" who produce work that no one will buy at market prices, for only one example. I recall that during the huge ice storm in Montreal in 1998, the City sent troupes of mimes and jugglers trained at city expense, to cheer the people huddled in shelters because the city services had collapsed around them. These merry men and women were quickly removed when they became the focus of outrage by people who only wanted the city to get busy with those essential services needed to get them home.

Here in Toronto it was decreed that in order to be World Class we had to have an Opera Company. We have one, I think, but nobody I know goes to it and it's never advertised. Meanwhile our city streets are hip deep in trash and beggers. An opera house in a city that's teetering on the verge of collapse is lipstick on a pig. But these, one suspects, are the same people who live in homes they can't afford, drive a car beyond their abilities to handle, and vacation with people who look at them with Ernest Hemingway's famous put-down line, "Just because you are here with us does not mean you are one of us."

Get rid of everything that can't pay its way, and before you know it, taxes will go down.

To Vic
If you believe that politicians play golf on public courses, you really don't know anything about golf or politicians.

To walt
Oh I'm sure they play on public courses so that people can see them. They also play at places like Augusta National where people like me can't even get in to tend the grounds, much less play.

al, there is glaring flaw ...
in your illustration. Municipal golf course land is owned by the local government (or donated for use as is a municipal golf course here in Lexington,KY) and the land in in the Kelo case was privately owned. In the Kelo case, what was okayed amounted to a public taking for private use, rather than a public taking for a public use. HUGE difference.

Amazing...
Many of the responses to this commentary prove just how simple-minded many Americans have become. To compare selling public golf courses to Kelo is, well, mind-boggling.

Furthermore, to charge all tax-payers for the recreational pleasures of a few is simply egregious. Perhaps those of you who like to defend the idea of subsidies for golf courses and art museums, stadiums and other types of activity which should be soley private would love to pay for me and a few of my friends who think we should have a place to go and say, smoke and read books without pictures?

Get a grip...
The very idea that we need government and a bunch of bureau-rats operating parks, golf-courses and other non-essential services is a bunch of hokum.

Golf courses fight GW
Golf courses occupy many acres of land each, creating large green areas. All of that grass and trees absorb large amounts of evil greenhouse gasses and return pure oxygen to the atmosphere. Ozone Al should be the champion of golf courses.

Actually...
Trees and grass produce CO2 which is the dreaded, evil greenhouse gas.

Golf
Maybe a lot of these middle class golfers see these munis as an affordable way to play and actually see some benefit from their hard-earned tax dollars. Rich guys don't play there because the maintenance is not up to their expectations. Isn't it novel to see tax dollars "from the poor" benefit the white middle class for a change?
AudiR10-Amen to that. I live in a fairly affluent community and see a lot of yuppies driving 5 and 7 class BMWs. A lot have dinged-up fenders from accidents. They seem to think that they can, with no ability, drive a performance auto while applying makeup or chatting on the cell phone. They buy these cars as a status symbol; only later do they realize that they are not capable of properly handling them.

Isn't Golf a human right?
Like the human right to NOT be offended if you are mooslim? Like the human right NOT to be exposed to a Christian prayer? Like the human right to spread AIDS?

Parker writes
"Actually...
Trees and grass produce CO2 which is the dreaded, evil greenhouse gas."

Uh... Actually... plants CONSUME CO2 and "manufacture" oxygen.

Unless liberals have changed that science per "consensus" also.

Actually when liberals play golf
they demand pencils with erasers on the end instead of the little ones that most proshops give out.

But ...
I know of and have played four "munies" that are now making a very nice profit for their towns. In each case the solution was ... surprise, surprise ... to lease the property to a private company that was experienced in golf course management. The greens fees were increased, but clearly not enough to discourage use. In a couple of cases, the new proprieter upgraded the clubhouse facilities and they host many private functions, which brings in additional revenue. The courses have been greatly improved and are a pleasure to play - which had not generally been the previous condition. The employees are no longer municipal, but changed over to the new proprieters without any serious problems.

I suspect that the reason
these municipal courses are failing is the same reason that most municipal projects in big cities fail. They become a slush fund for ready cash, they are a "reward" system for "in-laws" and supporters, and the only real workers in the project are unionized high cost.

These projects have never intended to make money. I suspect that their fees are actually the same as most private courses or very close to it. Municipal courses in smaller towns usually succeed for the same reasons that the big cities fail, in opposite. They are run honestly, they use non-union labor, and nepotism is kept to a minimum.

Politicians
of all stripes and parties are beneath contempt! Beneath Lawyers! and seriously not worthy of respect. I think that is more the point of the article. Doing whatever to get re elected is not being a public servant. The great thing about it is the fact that it is absolutely futile to try and change politics...Hopeless! Both parties SUCK!

11h

Al
Dr. Sowell is not making that connection. He's pointing out how ridiculous it is for other people's tax dollars to be used for the benefit of a few golfers. Further,the frustration in S.F. is that despite the failure, they want to keep pouring more TAX dollars into it. Are you guys complaining about Dr. Sowell's lament libs or something? You must be to want me or any other tax payer to fund your golf game. What the heck is that about?

Great points
The same thing is happening with the new Recreation Tax, which includes NPs. The greens are screaming to the skies that they are going to have to pay too. It has always cost to get into NPs, but hikers can camp for free in backcountry sites, at least Yellowstone, while everyone else pays up to $25. per night. They used the forests for free, including hiking trails, and have worked to eliminate logging, grazing, and motorized traffic, as those things spoil their experience. They always insisted loggers and ranchers did not pay "enough", despite the fact they themselves paid nothing.
Now they have nearly eliminated logging and are cutting into grazing, guess what the NPS needs to get some of the income they have lost by eliminating paying customers. The greens have worked to eliminate families being able to drive to a picnic area or lake with their kids, and make everything roadless.
Now the enviros think the money should come from taxes for them to be able to use the forests for free.....by themselves.

What I would like to see is
for all municipalities, both big and small, to disincorporate. In other words, go out of business. Need law inforcement to keep your house safe, hire Brinks or some other private firm for protection. Need garbage colection, hire a private firm. Private firms are now doing everything the local governments are doing. People are paying for a non-performing government AND for a private firm to actually do the same thing. As soon as the voters who are paying for both wake up to the fact that they no longer "need" the government they will get rid of it.

IN MANY LARGE CITIES.......
New York, Chicago, Atlanta San Francisco,D.C. etc., where the real estate values are astronomical, there are crime and drug infested low income housing projects. Why not start by tearing down these cash leeches? I am sure high income condo's would not only bring in a lot more tax revenue but also stop the waste of money poored into these ratholes! Years ago, before the government (YOU and ME) got into the abortion business, before behavioral problems like drug addiction and alcoholism became "afflictions". Before medicare and medicaid cards were given to any low life who just says "I have a problem" these people were called BUMS!! Now as this country races to the doom of socialism, I say this must stop! I am sure given the choice of life or death, most people will choose to straighten up, get a job, get a life, and try to live the American dream. The socialist programs paid for by the government (YOU and ME) Whether it be San Francisco Golf Courses or Chicago's Projects MUST BE STOPPED!

Friends to all
If the politician has to be friends to everyone, arguing for privatization of the green is indeed bad for a political career.

Rather than address it as a "problem" needing a "bipartisan solution" to make "all parties happy," a politician could simply ask what business the government has running a golf course in the first place.

Is that in article 2 or amendment 2? I forget which...

Walt
"If you believe that politicians play golf on public courses, you really don't know anything about golf or politicians."

LMAO...definitely the line of the day.

AudiR10
posted (about Toronto), "our city streets are hip deep in trash and beggers."


Really? I've been to Toronto many, many times and it's cleaner than most cities in the states. I never noticed the "beggers" were a problem like in the states where every street corner has a "homeless" wino/druggy who's panhandling for my hard-earned quarters.

Maybe you're talking about Hamilton . . . or Montreal . . .

SanFran,Rich Liberal Kingdom
Through land use laws, property in SanFran became so expensive that most working class left decades ago. Even the destitute are taken across the Bay to Oakland or Berkley lest thier smells offend.

SanFran has evolved into some kind of fantasy world for the wealthy, genteel, metrosexuals, bisexual, and homosexuals. The city goverment is run as a private fiefdom by leftwing kommisars. Families with children are so few that public school expenditures are acutally quite low- you see, you need children to have schools.

Instead, SanFran is inhabitated by wealthy bankers, venture capitalists, trust fund babies, and day traders. By day, they accumulate wealth; by night they pretend they are some advant-garde proletariat ready to stick it to The Man. But, of course, they are The Man. You can have any fantasy if you have enough money.

THINK!!!
What Mr. Sowell means is that the last thing hungry, downtrotten, American poor people need
ARE golf courses.
Capisce?
Ponial?
Got that?
Zrozumiano?

STOLEN MONEY
Politicians "steal" our money through taxation, and define "needy" as anything to get them re-elected. We condone this by puting these "jerks" back in office over and over. Who are the REAL DUMMIES??

Golf Courses
The Constitution establishes providing for the general welfare as a basic role of government. It does not state that only those services that can be profitably provided can contribute to the general welfare.

Public Education has never turned a profit and consumes huge amounts of taxes. Harvard and Stanford have lush verdant campuses occupying valable real estate which could be sold commercially to increas the overall tax base while enjoying tax exemptions.





Comprimise, if you must
Sell off two of the courses to someone who will develop them. Raise fees for one, the old courses customers should provide enough business to make it profitable. Than take all the fine people of SF and dump them on the last course and tell them to use their trust fund money to build a nice 'green city'. Let all the poor, disadvantaged bums move into the fine existing housing stock. After all it's the compassionate thing to do.

Yuzzy ,how dare you ..
suggest that people be held accountable for their choices? Next thing you're going to tell me is that if woman has consentual sex and wants an abortion, she should have to pay for it herself. Sheesh. What's wrong with hard-hearted, mean-spirited, war-mongering, underware-too-tight, squeek-when-you-walk, conservative types? (please note: sarcasm intended)

To Cowboy Joe
The General Welfare promoted by the Constitition is ONLY those things the Feds specifically were allowed by the States. Golf course by city Government is not controlled by the Constitution.

Golf is a fait acompli
I used to live in California in a city that was near three golf courses, but not in that city. The city council wanted a golf course in the city so it hired a consultant to study the situation and write a report that told them what they wanted to hear: the city needed a golf course. The rationale went something like this: The local area, including other communities only a few miles away, had a population/golf-course ration of 1:120,000; a national golfers association recommends 1:100,000. VOILA ! We need another golf course!

It wasn't until after the fait acompli that it was revealed that three out of the five city council members owned property that bordered the proposed course. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

"One golfer declared: 'Privatization would raise greens fees. Nobody could afford it.'"

So? Why should the taxpayer support his hobby any more than anyone else's?

Response to Cowboyjoe
The Constitution establishes providing for the general welfare as a basic role of government. It does not state that only those services that can be profitably provided can contribute to the general welfare.


"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson, 1798
"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but
an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." - James Madison, 1792


What's wrong with liberals?
I thought that these people said they believed in a Democracy. It sounds like the people of SF have democratically decided that they don't like the courses enough to play them.

The people have already voted. If someone else thinks they can sell the land, and other people will buy it, let them.
Capitalism is democracy in action, but the liberals despise it.

Golf for the poor
I play (poorly) on a municiple golf course that is leased out to a private firm. There are two here and I believe both are turning a handsome profit for the city as well as the lessees. Both of the clubhouse grills are also leased out (to another group) and they turn a profit for all involved as well.

There are summer day-programs for inner-city kids that give them the chance to learn to play golf or tennis (one course has two courts) and keeps them off the streets, away from gangs, drugs, etc.
These programs alone would be worth the investment if any were being made by the city but they are run by (again) private concerns who donate their people, time & equipment for a good cause. I don't doubt they get a nice tax write-off but so what.

If all of this were costing scads of money I would say 'Now wait a doggone minute', but it is not and if any city is SPENDING $$ maybe they should rethink their approach.
Sure, the outright sale of the tracts of land would bring in mega-bux but really, is it always necessary to MAKE as much money as possible or is it OK to settle for NOT SPENDING any while providing something the average John & Jane Doe and their kids can enjoy without going broke?

Walt > the Mayor of Boston plays every Thursday on a muni close to his home. I also play at the same course... but thankfully I play there on Wednesdays & Fridays.

AudiR10 > the City sent troupes of mimes and jugglers...that is HI-larious but are you sure they weren't actually municiple workers? Mimes and jugglers!!! I'm still laughing! Thank You.

snot
“Outside of municipal golf courses -- in any American city -- what other park service are citizens required to pay a fee to use?”

The fees are usually paid by the sports clubs. The fields are often also maintained by the sports clubs. They do this through volunteers and by collecting fees from the players.

“What other sport in America is virtually scandal free?”

Synchronized swimming. Jump-roping. Trampoline-ing (sp ??) Yo-Yo-ing.

“In every city in America, where can a citizen always find peace?”

Usually his home, unless it is being taken to make room for a golf course of office building. Otherwise the courthouse. Haven’t you ever noticed the large numbers of people hanging out there?

“However, the point of your article is that politicians are dirty rotten scoundrels. Nothing knew here.”

Apparently nothing much known there, either. But this is nothing NEW.

“But, if you're serious about selling off the golf courses, let's include selling off all municipal recreation sites: the swimming poools, baseball diamonds, basketball courts, soccer fields, picnic grounds, playgrounds, etc. Money can also be saved by getting rid of school gymnasiums, sports fields, stadiums, etc.”

Here, here!

“The golf courses of America are about the only places left where one can find citizens practicing good character. Thomas, you might investigate this phenomenon. Perhaps then you might be more willing to put up with any politcal skulduggery that will help keep them going.”

Try walking across one in the middle of the day. Or playing football on one, citizen.
In the end, you are correct, though. Good character is, of course, worth any amount of political skullduggery.

Good day to you, sir.

Golf
Where I live there are five or six municipal courses and lots and lots of parks maintained by the city. The Parks Department is 80% funded by the profit from the golf courses. Prices have gone up, but there is certainly no shortage of golfers as is evidenced by trying to get a tee time at any of the muni's.

Maybe SF should simply do what most municipalities do, let a private concern run their golf courses and use the profits from those help defray the cost of city parks.

Politicians, are brilliant economist
Dr. Sowell simply and effectively articulates the issue. However he makes a false conclusion of politics being priceless. Certainly in the long run the parasite will kill the host, but in the near term it is not priceless and therefore I am actually going to defend the politicians. Politicians are extremely rational and clearly understand economics better than anybody.

Don’t have a heart attack, I’m merely a pragmatist of reality. A politician by nature is somewhat a sociopath that seeks power over others and financial gain. Harvard Professor Pitirim Sorokin, in a survey of rulers throughout history, “the rulers of the states are the most criminal group in a respective population.”

The politician has to steal money from one group and give it to another to buy the power and financial rewards he wants. He also understands that if he steals too much too quick, the host will die or move. So he has an economic restraint and a keen need to allocate resources as efficiently as possible. He therefore must look at all the wacko projects that come to him daily and balance out the cost, the number of votes, or financial rewards for the total greatest benefit to himself. Now understand this can make no sense to the average taxpayer because the tax slave merely sees a useless golf course competing with other private sector businesses and deems it crazy. But the taxpayer is working with about 1% of the information that goes into this decision.

In my city we build an arena, then a few years later rip it down to build another, we are building all kinds of art centers, new theaters having raised the ones we built not long ago that also lost money. We tore down a civic center that didn’t make money to build a new one that looses even more money. We built a trolley that is a total boondoggle.

But this actually is brilliant logic and is the best use of taxpayer money. Why, because the contractors and real estate attorneys give 40% of all the money raised in campaigns in my city. They decide what are the projects they want to do and the politicians have to weigh that against maybe hiring another prosecutor that gets him no votes, or fixing a road that gets few votes. Actually, your politician spends a lot of time and applies brilliant analysis of getting the most votes and personal wealth for the least taxpayer dollars possible.

Why doesn’t the tax slave get it? Well he thinks he is buying a product from givernment. He is not, he is buying a politician. As our famous local politician said one evening when confronted with the highest taxes in the Southeast and among the highest in the nation and all the wacko projects going on, “if you don’t like it move”. Now if that whining taxpayer could show the politician how he could make a few million quick and get elected to higher office by not stealing taxpayer money for boondoggles, the politician would have listened intently. But he already knew there was nothing in it for him, having processed this issue long ago.

Now folks may think that they will change the party they vote for to stop corruption. But the parties are identical so it only changes who the politician pays off with your money.

Fred Bastiat
Victims of Lawful Plunder
“ …..As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.

It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution -- some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.”

Muni golf courses and the poor
Number one; I don't play golf

Number two; I don't believe the poor have golf playing high on their agenda, and to use them as an excuse for funding municipal golf courses as well as many other public recreation and entertainment projects is ludicrous.

Number three; If a city is going to fund these projects, charging a modest fee is not wrong. It gives the message that this is not an entitlement. It may cover some percentage of the expense, but profit isn't the point of having these projects.

Number four; I believe that most recreation and entertainment projects should not be in the hands of government....especially as a direct governmental department. Maybe there is a middle ground of parsing out money to private groups who in turn have to be accountable for what and how they spend the funds---but then the taxpayer is having to pay for oversight.

SF Golf
In theory, Thomas is correct. Unfortunately, in this case, he is doesn't have all the facts. San Francisco has run it's six golf courses for years while turning a profit. But because golf is not quite a politically correct activity, maintaining those facilities was a low priority. For years, profits went to the general fund, and very little went to upkeep. After years of neglect, they reached a point where they no longer get the play they once did due to their sad state of disrepair. The city renovated one course, Harding Park, with the promise of hosting a professional tournament. Due to total mis management, both construction and finacing, the project ran far over budget. Because of this, San Francisco is the only city in the country to lose money hosting a PGA tournament. Simply put, the city doesn't have the expertise to run a golf facility. Now, everyone involved is playing the CYA game, and the losers are the muni golfers, the ones who for years supported the courses.
They can be run profitably. But because of San Francisco's red tape, bureaucracies and labor unions, the future for affordable municipal golf in the city by the bay looks bleak.
It's sad.

got it on the golf, thank you...
This is about the poor...
"Put bluntly, the poor are in effect being used as human shields in the political wars over government spending, which extends far beyond anyone who could even plausibly be called poor".

Spending, people...
I believe that
spending is the point.
Golf is merely one example-of many others.

Does it matter, in this discussion, that I play golf-for as cheap as possible?

Keep your golf bag or lack...
out of it!

AudiR10
AudiR10 writes: "Taxes pay for things people won't"

like the Denver Symphony.

Government and business
About 30 years ago while still a teen, my mother worked for the Los Angeles Unified School District. She received regular publications from them about all aspects of their operations. There were numerous properties that LAUSD owned where some schools had been closed. Discussions would ensue about what to do with those properties. I remember being shocked that there was consideration of taking some of the sites and having office complexes built and then leasing them. How could it be that a governmental agency could take my tax dollars to start a for profit business? Joe Blow land developer can't compete with that. Government operations would always have tax dollars to support them if, excuse me, WHEN they became mismanaged and lost money.

I still have a problem with Government, any government, taking my money through force of law, then trying take money from competing business'. You can try to couch it any way you want to, but that's what it boils down to and that's NOT governments function.

Another classic from AudiR10
"An opera house in a city that's teetering on the verge of collapse is lipstick on a pig."

Let's adopt the Venezuelan model ..
.. and have the Govt take over everything, including the private golf courses.

For an interesting article titled "Venezuela, your three minutes are up" follow this link:
http://www.theatlasphere.com/columns/070220-perren-venezuela.php

The above article also links to Corina's blog (written by a young Venezuelan college student who agonizes over her country's decent into the chaos of socialism).
http://antipatrioticvenezuelan.blogspot.com/
Note: her blog is not strong on English grammar, but most TH readers should be able to look past the fractured syntax and get the gist.

To voice of reason
That's exactly where we have been heading for the last 50 years.

to voice of reason & Vic
You nailed it. This is where we are headed. Do you think anyone besides us railing here against it will care? Apathy & ignorance, (of the masses) arrogance and power seeking (of the elite) are destroying us. I don't fiddle, but I do play keyboards.

GOVERNMENT GOLF
I read the United States Constitution a few years ago, and I don't recall any constitutional sanction to build golf courses.

I don't recall any constitutional sanction to fund the arts and humanities.

I don't recall any constitutional sanction for any of the "entitlements" that some Americans enjoy while the rest of us pay for it.

In the welfare state that Mr. Sowell writes so elequently about in this article, the government acts like Robin Hood, stealing (through taxation) from the "rich" and giving to the "poor". This is well documented.

The government golf courses are not about helping the poor, they are about buying votes. It's as simple as that.

There would be a lot less government and a lot less taxes if government stuck to what it was constitutionally mandated to do.

golf courses
it is amazing that politicians waste money on stupid things like golf, professional sports stadiums, opera and the symphony.

if these things are that good, then people who want them will pay the going rate. i went and saw Aerosmith for close to $100 and it was sold out. think that any of the politicians would cover some of the costs? of course not! it only covers dusty dead arts instead of the arts that people really want to see.

i just want these guys to plow the streets when it snows. of course you can't cover that when you are trying to hobnob with the sophisticated crowd.

source of the confusion
I think you miss that some people do not think that Golf courses should be available only to the wealthy. If one misses that point then the argument above makes sense.

Of course the argument above is rather disingenuous since government support for parks and recreation isn't usually classes as welfare. Sowell's lumping it in with welfare is meant to suggest that this is coming from money meant to feed the poor. But really he is just using the poor as a crutch as coincidentally he accuses his opponents.

If we're stupid enough to adopt ..
.. a Leftist model for something as important as public education why are we so surprised when 'they' take over our golf courses?

Click on http://voice.townhall.com to read an blogpost titled: "Johnny can't read .. it's time to think outside the box"

If we are stupid enough to even DEBATE the efficacy of Universal Health Care in the face of all evidence to the contrary .. can we be surprised when 'they' nationalize another major sector of our economy - e.g. banks, energy, airlines, the airwaves ..

Vic & LadyReb: I agree with y'all, it is alarming to watch our country slouch leftwards. What concerns me particularly is that Conservatives are no longer making a MORAL argument for Capitalism.

Except for the ugliness-factor and lack of TV-Q, Hugo Chavez could be the next Thug-in-Chief of the US. He certainly has the ideological credentials for the job! And, given what he has done to Venezuela, he had also demonstrated that he has the experience to lead us leftwards.

Or, we could elect AlGore - same difference!

2 literary points
1) Any body who hasn't read P.J. O'Rourke's "Parliament of Whores" should do so. But be warned- the last line is a slap upside the head.

2) "Taxes are NEVER levied for the benefit of the taxed" Robert A. Heinlein, 1907-1988

Brooklyn Dave
Of course you don't play golf down at Farrells most of the day - but I don't blame you I don't play gold either and you are on the money on all your points - even a dinky town like Killeen Texas has two golf courses and while the poor don't hit em a lot the middle class certainly do - keep in mind that Clinton gave the Presidio of San Francisco to the National Park Service the golf course that is up there is prime land - easily worth billions - yeah billions of bucks - go figure ??????

JP
Comments on SF pretty much on the money - folks that have been there awhile get by if they can afford the real estate taxes - up scale - but still a fun place - wish I could afford it - never thought about the kids - your right you don't see many or many schools

Golf courses are a specialty park
I have no problem with paying for the park down the street from my house with its little picnic pavillon and swing sets, although, in actuality, the softball field (with the associated user fees) that occupies the same block pays for all of the maintenance of the park. I have no problem with paying for the downtown central park along the river where we have community concerts in the summer and ice sculturers in the winter. User fees from the various street fairs conducted there help to defray maintenance costs, but primarily that pretty park comes out of my taxes and I don't mind that. It's for the common good of the community and I am community spirited. It's not like, living in Alaska, we aren't surrounded by woods, but it is nice to have in town locations where neighborhoods can congregate or the community as a whole can celebrate town events. Parks provide that venue and I, for one, am willing to pay for the service. Many of our neighborhood parks didn't belong to the borough (Alaskan version of a country that has recreational service mandate) for a long time and the neighborhoods themselves kept them clean and maintenanced, so obviously, we like our parks.

My problem comes with speciality parks like golf courses, tennis courts, dog parks, etc., that are available to only a certain segment of the population and that segment of the population is not willing to pay for its use. Why?

My town does not have a municipal golf course, but we do have three privately-owned public golf courses. I am told by those who care that these courses are reasonably priced and open to anyone who can pay. Maintenance is about right for the reasonable price. The one course that is right next to the river has better greens because the owner can just drop a pond pump over the bank to water his grass. He tried raising his green fees to reflect his higher quality, but his business dropped off.

My point is this -- these golf courses provide someone with a nice income and are open to any golfer willing to pay the fee, which is not unreasonable. Only a segment of the population plays golf (I'd just as soon watch the grass on the golf course grow as actually play golf), but golfers think all of us ought to pay for their hobby. That doesn't make sense. It's sort of like welfare for middle-class white-collar men. What's up with that? If you can afford a good set of golf clubs, you can afford free market golf fees. My town proves that.

Park and recreational lands
Several states and the Federal government have spent tens if not hundreds of billions buying land. The excuse for much of such buying was to preserve it for future generations as "wild lands". The only problem these land just don't sit there, they change, especially if open to any human activity, but often it will change because it is adjacent to human activity. Today, these lands lack the resources to be properly managed if managed at all. Some lands certainly have been so impacted by human activity that to restore them to some pre-human state cost far more than they would return in tax dollars if developed by commercial interest.

However, while I believe that true natural lands should be protected and preserved, I also believe that public lands should never be used for any activity that competes with similar activities best done by the private sector. That should not be the roll of government and certainly was never intended to be the roll of government by our forefathers.

Government does not and cannot work like a business primarily because it does not face real market pressures. When government programs fail, as these the San Francisco golf course are, they do not go out of business but require even more tax dollars. Wouldn't it be nice for anyone in private business facing the trials and tribulations of capitalism to just "make money" by assess all the people around a fee for services they do not desire.


common sense
Thomas' article is outstanding and his common sense is something that is lacking in our society today. Its just sad that more people want to comment Ann Coulter's irrelevant columns and not Thomas' thought-provoking, sincere columns. There are some details here that may be questionable- I dont know all of the facts either though- but I agree with this general thesis:

"Put bluntly, the poor are in effect being used as human shields in the political wars over government spending, which extends far beyond anyone who could even plausibly be called poor."

jimbo
"Uh... Actually... plants CONSUME CO2 and "manufacture" oxygen.

Unless liberals have changed that science per "consensus" also. "

You are half right; plants consume CO2 and give off (not manufacture) oxygen during the day but at night the process is reversed and plants consume oxygen and manufacture CO2.
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