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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
The worst worsens
by Thomas Sowell
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In his book "The Great Crash 1929," John Kenneth Galbraith said: "The worst continued to worsen." The same can be said of the Duke University "rape" case and District Attorney Michael Nifong.

After all this time, it finally came out in court last week that the DNA samples collected from the underwear and private parts of the alleged victim contained DNA from other men -- but none from the Duke lacrosse players who were accused of raping her.

The head of the DNA testing laboratory testified in court under oath that both he and Nifong knew this and kept it secret.

You think that is incredible? How about a statement made afterwards by District Attorney Nifong that he didn't say anything about this publicly because he was "trying to avoid dragging any names through the mud"?

He certainly did not avoid dragging the names of the Duke lacrosse players through the mud. He not only denounced them, they were paraded in handcuffs in front of the national media. Their pictures were on every television news program across the country.

If these young men get completely exonerated, this episode will still follow them the rest of their lives. Yet they have not been convicted of anything and have not even gone to trial -- which is scheduled for next spring, if it ever takes place.

Indeed, they have not even been interviewed by the police or by the District Attorney who issued denunciations of these white lacrosse players when he was running for office and making a play for the black vote.

Nor has the District Attorney interviewed the woman who claimed to have been raped. In a "he said, she said" situation, anyone interested in the credibility of the two sides would at least have tried to find out what specifically they claimed.

But that is only if you care about the truth, rather than the politics of the situation. Politically, the District Attorney had a black woman who claimed that white men had raped her. That's all he needed to get elected.

Nifong has shown from day one what he was interested in. Showing the "rape" victim only photographs of white Duke lacrosse players was a violation of the basic principles of a lineup.

People who are known to be innocent are included in lineups just to test the credibility of whoever is identifying those picked out as guilty.

If you pick out somebody who was known to be overseas at the time, there goes your credibility. But District Attorney Nifong was not about to risk having the accuser's credibility tested, and certainly not before his election.

All the evidence that has come out has pointed the other way. One of the alleged rapists has a paper trail that shows he wasn't even there when he was supposed to be raping the "exotic dancer."

A black cab driver says he was with him, going to a bank's ATM to get some money -- and bank records show him there at the time when he was supposed to be committing rape.

When confronted with the fact that DNA tests failed to show that any of the Duke lacrosse players' DNA was present on the "exotic dancer," Nifong said that they could have used condoms.

Every part of your body has DNA that is left wherever you have had bodily contact. When you shake someone's hand, you leave your DNA. Each Duke student would have to have had a giant condom covering his whole body to avoid leaving DNA on someone he raped.

Far more is involved in this case than the misdeeds of one District Attorney. There is a segment of the black community -- a small segment, we can hope -- that figures it is payback time for all the black men who have been railroaded to jail on trumped-up charges involving the rape of white women.

The local branch of the NAACP, an organization which fought against such injustices in times past, has thrown its weight behind those who are trying to railroad three white students, who were not even born when these other injustices occurred.

Winston Churchill once said, "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Nowhere is that more true than when dealing with the explosive mixture of race and politics.

Nifong deserves to be removed from office and disbarred. If he gets away with all this, it will be a blank check for every prosecutor in the country to abuse the powers of the office.

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Well said Dr. Sowell
From all I've read and seen on the news. Nifong just tried to use this case to get elected by pandering to the black vote. And don't forget how quick the Black Panthers showed up on the scene. He should be prosecuted as you say.

Bigbelly
Always enjoy your humor. This one is very funny!

Of course
it's payback. But that says nothing at all. All injustice is payback. First it was the racists, now its the panderers of racists. What's different? Well, now the victims have money. Um. They're white. Uh. I guess that's it. Oh, they're innocent.

Point is, there will always be slimy shoddy filthy greasy corrupt self-seeking politicians exploiting the system for their own ends. There will always be such scum. For a while. Until we remove them. If we do.

Problem is, letter-writing isn't enough. But are we the sort of people who protest in more forceful ways? Or is that only the province of the race-mongers and illegal-pimps and America-haters? So far, it has been. What will it take, finally, to turn the tide? You tell me -- cuz I don't know.


J
http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/

Prevent the cover up!
Apparently, all stops are being pulled to cover up the guilt of the lacrosse players. The delay by the prosecutor is evidence that he is holdng off on doing anything until a proper payoff can be arranged. He can slam every one of the accused in jail at a momnts notice, but hasn't done so out of a desire to sell justice in the black community to the highest bidder.

As for the DNA, I think the OJ acquittal proves just how flimsy DNA evidence is. Not that OJ was innocent, just that DNA evidence can be tampered with, especially if the tampering involves simply "not finding any" on the accused. I can "not find" a tail on my dog if I don't look.

The player at the ATM might be innocent of the actual rape, but he helped arrange the setting, so he is as guilty as the rest.

Rather than rely on a Perry Mason analysis of the "evidence", we should consider other aspects of the case. No woman would ever lie about a thing like rape, and to dispute this woman's claim sets up a scenario whereby other rape victims will hesitate to come forward. That alone is reason enough to take her accusation at face value. Also, the accused are from rich families, so it is certain that they have been guilty of numerous crimes for which the have managed to avoid prosecution for in the past. Thus, prosecuting them for a crime such as this will at least punish them for all the things they have done nad managed to get away with. Finally, if the accused are all let off on some micro-technicality, it should be remembered that the victim is poor, and surely the families of the accused can afford to pay her SOMETHING.

Loyal Democrat
You know, your comments in the past have been stupid, lame, funny, incompetent, aggravating. Mostly aggravating.

But this time you're just being sick.

Is it possible
for a Dhemocrat to be loyal?

J

Bigbelly
Your welcome! I'll be looking forward to your next parody!

I agree, this case should never make it to trial.

And a very Merry Christmas to you!

UncaAlby
Your so right about LD! Each of it's posts gets worse. I think this person is a complete psychopath!

What makes me
sickened is that every time a woman yells rape to gain monetarily or for vengeance, it hurts those women who have truly been victimized.

Nifong needs to be prosecuted for his wrong doings.

And, Big Belly, yes, you provide good humor again. I always get a chuckles from your posts.

To all, come visit my blog and share your Christmas memories.

Loyal Dhimmicrat
Were you born this friggin stupid or did it take a lot of work on your part?

In the words of my NY FBI buddy...what a mook.

Goshawk
I see you have learned well the lesson that true humor must contain some truth. Good post!

BIGbelly
Just read your post. Great laugh first thing in the AM. Thx.

I know...
Living in the "Triangle", I have seen firsthand what goes on. These three boys will be marked for life....so if payback's a Bitc*, then let Nifong fry. He is the one who needs to be ruined. Now this woman is 9 months pregnant and they are trying to say it is one of those "boys". If no DNA has been found,how in the world could it be them? Absurd! Not only that, it is clear that another person(accuser) has said poor me and the choices I've made, someone else should pay. It makes me sick to think that that A** LD is crying cover-up...Somebody give this man an overdose of valium so he will shut the F up!!

Loyal Democrat
Great parody! Very Subtle. Most of the folks here didn't get it.

Nifong

At best Nifong handled the case poorly, at worst he was dishonest.

If he is found to have hidden evidence of innocence and other such misdeeds, he has open the county and the state to libabilty for his actions. $$$$$

jimmydoaneshow
That's right; the rest of us are stupid.

You and LD are far too subtle for us to pick up on your humor.

Duh.

jimmydoaneshow
Jimmydoaneshow thinks the assinine comment by Loyal Democrat was parody--it didn't seem like parody to me. That kind of thought is typical of these brainwashed liberal loonies.

Parody?
Only loonies who think kerry is "nuanced" would describe that garbage as parody.
As far as "paying her something", I believe she was probably well paid by the 5 different guys whose DNA was found in her skivvies.

I hope this DA winds up in jail and some dude leaves a little DNA in his shorts, a bum like this deserves no better.


I just want to point out
that none of this would have happened had these boys been raised with better values.

Now days people think nothing of hiring strippers for bachelor parties and wedding showers, much less frat parties. The culture has become so corsened that no one thinks anything of paying someone to come into one's home to dance suggestively, take off their clothing and permit certain liberties with their person.

This may have gone on fifty years ago, but the boys would have been more aware of the character of "that kind of girl," and would have been less naive about what associating with such a girl might do to their reputations.

Scripture warns young men about women of low moral character. These young men were probably unaware of such warnings, and were probably very naive about what could happen to them.

While the unethical antics of the district attorney is very bad, equally disturbing is the trend toward normalization of skanky behavior among both men and women.

The lesson of this unfortunate circumstance is clear: keep away from unsavory people of low moral character- even if you are just participating in a lark.

Failing to do so leaves you vulnerable to all manner of trouble.

Rape Accusations
Rape accusations should only be believed by authorities if there is corroborating evidence.

There may be justice for Nifong yet!
It is being reported here in the Triad that the US Attorney for our area is looking into the handling of this case by Mike Nifong. The US attorney's office is looking into possible misconduct on the part of the DA's office and the possible violation of the civil rights of the accused, and the state bar is being asked to investigate Nifong for misconduct as well. Here are a couple of news acounts for your perusal:
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/517392.html and http://www.wintv.com/home/headlines/4895771.html

And note the irony here; it seems that in trying to railroad three white guys for raping an African-American woman, the state violated THE WHITE GUYS' civil rights! I am waiting with bated breath for Al $harpton and Je$$ie Jack$on to hold some protest marches for these guys. They are the guardians of civil rights, after all!

Mr. Nifong
"Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to get re-elected by any means necessary. As such, should you choose to vilify innocents, conceal evidence, and/or completely compromise the veracity and reputation of your office- as long as you win the election, who cares?

"Just don't get caught at it, is all.

"As always, should you be caught, everyone else will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

"Your career will self-destruct in five seconds.

"Nice try, Mikey........."

cheers

eon

District attorneys and innocence
This man Nifong is of a kind with Scott Harshbarger, the Massachusetts DA who put the Amirault family in jail and continues to keep at least one member of the family in jail, in spite of overwhelming evidence that none of them has ever done anything wrong.

I think that the section of our criminal code that deals with innocence, guilt and science needs to be overhauled. Too many times now, we have seen people who could have been on another continent still in jail when they have been exonerated beyond a shadow of a doubt, let along "reasonable doubt," simply because to have set them free would sully someone's reputation.

Barry

Condoms? What condoms?
If memory serves, the "victim" (I use quotes as I'm referring to the young female, not the lacrosse players and their team mates, the true victims) stated that her "attackers" didn't wear condoms.

I am reminded of "The Mouse that Roared."

Perhaps the only good thing that may come of all this is that in the future college athletes will find a more appropriate way to "celebrate." These guys weren't exactly sitting around drinking milk and reading the Bible in some sort of vacuum. Perhaps they thought it would be cool, not expecting to end up in the cooler.

On the other hand, this incident may have ended this "career" for strippers performing in such venues, at least in Durham.

But Difong's blatant abuse of our legal system trumps the bad judgement of college boys.

There's no telling how all this will play out, but my WAG is that it will involve a deal that will involve everything but justice, but in which everyone walks. No harm, no foul?

[On the news playing in the background: "Mike Difong says he isn't concerned." How touching.]

But what a great advertisement for Duke U: Come to Duke, the Party School. On the other hand, maybe parents will think twice before sending their kids there at such great expense. Perhaps they can write this off as a political donation for wayward DAs? (Oh, BTW: I don't intend DA to mean "District Attorney." Like a stripper, I'll leave a little to the imagination.)




Re: Mountain Rose
I understand where you're coming from about the boys and their actions, but I think you are making some unfair assumptions. It is not fair to assume that these young men were not raised by parents that taught them good values. Even children raised in the best of environments make mistakes in their lives, and when a child hits college age Mom aand Dad can't be there to force them to make good decisions. All Mom and Dad can do is hope that the children act in the way they were taught; if not then there is nothing the parents can do about it. All a parent can do i teach them when they are young, but when they grow up they WILL make their own decisions...good or bad.

Second, it seems that at least one of these young men had no association with the alleged victim. He has a paper trail that shows that he was elsewhere when the alleged attack took place. How does he deserve to be caught up i this mess when all the evidence points to hois not even being present during the alleged events?

I will not blame the young men at that party or tsk-tsk them for doing something that I, as an adult, wouldn't do. I remember when I was young, I did my share of dirt and I sometimes chose to hang out with some "unsavory" characters. That is all a part of being young...you make your mistakes, learn from them, and try not to repeat them in the future. You know, "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." 1 Corinthians 13:11, you know...these youngsters were still doing childish things!

And regardless of what they were doing, there is no justification for the DA using the power of the state to accuse, malign, and slander men that he knows are innocent of nothing more than having a party and hiring a stripper! It is not alright for him to make public statements that the accused are guilty, then to stage a "line up" just to get some lacrosse players accused, and to conspire with the DNA tester to withhold exculpatory evidence!

True, the players probably should not have hired a stripper and all that, but the guilty one here is Mike Nifong. No amount of moralizing about the activities of the players can condone what Nifong has willfully done to these young men, their families, the Durham community, and the rule of law!

Case closed.

Mountain Rose
Your words ring true. As that sage philospher Herman Munster once opined, "If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas".

Rosie
Beautiful post. I'm afraid the frat boys, having been one myself, were counting on the low moral character of the women they hired to work their party. The handling of the criminal case by the prosecutor is nothing less than shameful.At the very leadt the defendants' right to a speedy trial have been clearly violated. Nifong has shown himself to be a protogee of Ronnie Earle of Texas.

To all the LD detractors: when I read his posts the first few times I was as revulsed as any of you, but continued reading of his posts which make me think that the moonbat bible was written by a libertarian, I think he is either insane or a descendant of Jonathan Swift(not the guy the boat was named for).

Sack time. If anyone doesn't hear from me in the meantime MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Something wrong?
There was something wrong with this case from the very beginning. It took on a life of it's own, with Nifong as the creator.

A correction for Nee
She's not 9-months-pregnant, she's just given birth.

Mr. Nifong should be disbarred and jailed at once--and all cases he has pending dismissed!

For LD--have you ever heard of Kathleen Crowell Webb? That's in answer to your "...no woman would lie about such a thing as rape..."--Webb confessed to JUST SUCH PERJURY 20 YEARS AGO!

Travesty
Nifong should be disbarred for ruining these young men's lives by abusing his power for personal political gain and making a mockery of the justice system. Because of his gross mishandling of this case, if the North Carolina bar association fails to discipline Nifong, it will cast doubt on the veracity of, not only his future cases, but also the cases of the other DAs in his state. This guy is a combination of dangerous components: a sociopathic narcisist with power. Thanks Dr. Sowell for taking this moron to task.

This is Why
Here you go!......this is what I have been talking about. Townhall just did an article on the Death penalty and THIS is the reason the DP must be stopped and reviewed.

"The head of the DNA testing laboratory testified in court under oath that both he and Nifong knew this and kept it secret."

Nifong is not the only low-life DA out there.
All DP cases without DNA must be reviewed.

Nifong knew without DNA it would be easier to railroad these people.

There is another lesson here......
Nifong is proof that "color" is not important,
getting re-elected is.

The head of the DNA laboratory should also be jailed as well as the police involved.

Election
I did a search on Mike Nifong's name and pulled up his home page as DA. I was looking to see what political affiliation he had. Strangely enough it wasn't mentioned at all. But, I did find the fact that he was never elected to the position of DA, he was appointed by the govenor in 2005. Which makes me ask the question, are all DAs appointed by the govenor?

If they are appointed then obviously he wasn't pulling his BS to get "re-elected", his motive had to have been to set himself up for an election run in the future, if elections figure into the picture in any way.

It seems to me that Mike Nifong is the human equivilant of an egg-sucking chicken-killing dog, and the people of North Carolina should treat him like one. Country people will understand to what I refer.

elections - for vidyohs
Nifong may have been appointed, but he won the Democratic primary in May and the election in Nov.

http://www.newsobserver.com/630/story/435392.html

http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/elections/durham

It seemed like parody to me
I could not imagine anyone posting some of the comments LD made without that intension. And I have to hang out with people how casually say how Bush should be shot.

As for Nifong, I can only hope that criminal charges can be brought against him for Civil Rights violations and conspiracy. Simply disbarring him would not be enough. It is a same that the inevitable lawsuit will cost the People and not him.

loyal democrat...
...is being satirical. In fact, he's so effective at impersonating liberals that some of you think he is earnest when he is actually making fun of them.

Mike Nifong
Mr. Nifong is a danger to society and needs to be fired by Governor Easley (who appointed him).
If all the accusations are proven in court, he needs to go to jail.

Where did they GO!!
Living in Greenville NC I have been lucky enough to have a front row seat.

The race baiters are missing now, they were around at first, I wonder what happened?
Perfect example why Sharpton and Jackson can't be taken seriously about civil rights. They would never of cared about a woman's rape if the woman was white or the players were black. Heck, they wouldn't of cared if the men were black and the woman was white, they never have before anyway.

Lets face it, it should not matter what race anybody is when it comes to rape. If you rape someone because they are black or because you think they deserve it because of what they are wearing. IT IS JUST AS WRONG. No one should get a more lenient punishment because it cant be proven they are a racist.

Now she's joking
Someone yesterday suggested that Loyal Democrat is just pulling our collective legs. Now I'm beginning to say so when she/he/it posts stuff like "The player at the ATM might be innocent of the actual rape, but he helped arrange the setting, so he is as guilty as the rest." OR "No woman would lie about rape."
As a former prosecutor, I have this to say: Arranging for a stripper to appear at a party does not make one a co-conspirator to rape of said stripper unless the intent to rape her existed at the time the appearance was arranged AND the state can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. Secondly, women lie about rape all the time. Ask any divorce lawyer. Ask any social worker in welfare. Ask any police officer. That's one reason rape is so hard to prove. And if there's DNA present, that only proves sexual intercourse took place. It doesn't prove anything about the consent of the alleged victim. Many consensual encounters have been characterized as rape to help the alleged victim lie to a significant other.
I live in North Carolina and have been watching this case with horror. First mistake: the outgoing DA chose Nifong over the female prosecutor Ms. Black who helped him obtain a nationally publicized conviction in the Mike Peterson case. Second mistake, she barely lost the election because the black people in Durham wasted their votes on a black candidate who had NEVER practiced criminal law. Yeah, that's the kind of person you want running a DA's office. Think, people, think. Look beyond skin color. Why don't we all try judging people by their character and merit? What a concept.

DIRTY DA'S
Sadly Nifong is not the only dirty District attorney.
In Idaho every county has a district attorney and staff.
Some of the counties have pretty good DA and staff.
Unfortunately the county I live in the DA and his staff could compete with Nifong in dirty proceedings. The good lawyers who first hire on at the DA office quickly leave and go else where.
A number of the DA's staff are of such poor quality they can not get jobs in the private sector. The only way they can be lawyers is to work for the government.
They break the law just about as bad as the people they prosecute.
I wonder how many more Nifongs are out there?

jcthomasva
loyal democrat is being satirical. In fact, he's so effective at impersonating liberals that some of you think he is earnest when he is actually making fun of them.

I am new to this forum. He sounds just like any Democrat. To be a good parody he needs to be a little over the top at least. I know that is hard because they can be pretty ridiculous. LD sounds just like a normal Dem. not a good parody.

Kudo's...
...to Big Belly and Loyal Democrat!

My two favorite posters.

What about the girl?
It's all well and good to condemn that idiot DA Mike Nifong, but please, lets not forget little miss innocence, who started this whole mess, and her companion (who was all too willing to cash in on their story). These two "dancers" need to be in jail, not continue to be treated with kid gloves.

No one in the media hesitated to brand these (supposedly innocent until proven guilty) boys as Rapists - solely on the word of some "strippers" (Yeah, right, who are they kidding? They're Hookers!), but even after untold announcements as to the outright lies told by both these women, the media is still protecting the identity of this criminal.

It is my understanding that in most states being a hooker (and committing the acts that earn one that title) are crimes in and of themselves. Add to that lying to the police, making false accusations, and false reports to the police should all warrant a removal of the kid gloves by the media - at the very least, and in my opinion, she deserves to do the exact same amount of time these boys would have served, if convicted of the crimes she falsely accused them of committing.

This is not the foolish act of an innocent teenager. This is an adult hooker (5 different semen samples is highly unlikely to be from 5 different boyfriends on the same day - really, - she's a hooker!), who, for whatever reason, made a conscious decision to destroy these boys lives. She did not hesitate, and she deserves not one moment of sympathy, or compassion from any observer. She is a liar, and she deserves to get the same sentence as she was all too willing to impose on these boys.

Nifong deserves the same sentence as she does, or perhaps even more. He was there as the representative of the people, to uphold the law, and he consciously defied the law for personal gain. His crime was as bad as hers, but it was not her job to protect the people. It was his, and he deserves a punishment even worse than hers. Perhaps the sum of the time these boys would have served if convicted. 3 times the punishment, for three times the crime. Sounds right to me.

I'm Going To Wait

Until this whole sordid affair plays out.

At that time, I will bless you all with my brilliant commentary....

vote?
...and we wonder why voters are so apethetic...just open your eyes and look at what our "leaders" have become.

sickening
As a resident of the area, I can say that it's been frustrating watching this story subverted and misdirected as much as the OJ trial. This has been going for well over a year now. The credibility of the accuser isn't in the least bit surprising even though our media has certainly tried to redirect the trails away from her and on to the Duke Lacrosse players, well-to-do white boys who make a perfect sacrificial lamb to PC and race vendettas. Now that the evidence that has been sitting around as long as this case is out, where is the outrage in my community? Why isn't the NAACP in the least bit concerned that these Lacrosse players' civil rights have been grossly violated? What about their rights? What about Due Process? Why is Mike Nifong still in office and why has Durham been so ready to re-elect such a questionable and duplicitous person in the first place? Why isn't the attorney general ousting this creep?
And when will we oust our media? When we will hold them accountable? Aren't you sick of this?

Disbar the D.A.
That sorry excuse for a District Attorney in the Duke Lacross players should be disbarred immediately! His morals must drag the ground when he walks. He with held the evidence that would have freed those young men until it went to court. He pondered to the black voters, who obviously was supporting the young black girl that lied thru her teeth, so he could get re-elected. He should be disbarred! He of course is a democrat named Nifong. She of course is a Black female. Had she been White, she would have already been charged and put in jail for bringing false charges against young Black guys. (assuming the situation was reversed) According to what came out in court, she had engaged in some type of sex with several men, including anal, prior to her appearance at Duke that evening. However, no evidence was found of any of the Duke guys having had sex with her. If I recall, she accused all the White guys there that evening of raping her, but not the lone Black guy. Is she a Racists? Disbar the D.A. and bring charges against her!

Loyal Democrat
Loyal Democrat writes "that no woman would lie about rape." I guess those women who said Bill Clinton raped them were telling truth.

Wait for what?
Unless Nifong has some compelling evidence hidden away. If he did have such evidence he would be using it to get the Feds to back off.

Nifong set the trial date so far off because he was hoping to find some real evidence and he needed time. If that failed he hoped people would lose interest so he could just drop the charges quietly letting it go away. Those are not uncommon tactics of DAs. If it was not for the national coverage he would get away with his re-election ploy.

North Carolina here's your Opportunity
NC don't waste this opportunity to show the entire country what your made of. Let NC be the first to
demonstrate we will no longer tolerate this. You would be helping us all.

Demand that all involved be punished, and make sure it happens. Get Nifong out now. Don't let any of those involved off the hook.

You have been getting alot of bad press in your state....turn it around while you have the presses attention. Like I said you would be helping ALL of us.

Thank you in advance!

KM - could not agree more...
Thank you. Finally. Someone calling a trash collector a trash collector. These have been my protests in this case from the onset. This woman made a conscious choice to sleep with men for money, to take off her clothes for money, to dance for a lacrosse team party for money, and also to cry rape for money. Another question is: who is paying her?! Doesn't she have children, aside from the one presumably currently in utero?! THOSE are the REAL victims in this mess. Take those children away. Put this woman and her "friend" in jail. Disbar Nifong. And say prayers for the eventual recovery of these boys. I did hear, in passing, one of the boys on the team -not even one of the three maligned - applied for something, and once it was noted he was on "the" Duke Lacrosse team, he was denied. Cold. Harsh. Completely. Just for being associated with this debacle. How horrific...


LD parody?
I have not examined other LD comments to see if they are all parodies, but this one looks like it. The give away is the idea that if they are rich they are guilty of something so lock them up anyway. All of the other arguments might come from a real liberal Democrat (and I am sure that we could find such comments all over the internet), but even if they do hate rich people, this one is just too far out to be true. (Barely)

dollface -- that is a great observation and response to the idea that no woman would lie about getting raped.

Gunny G, et al
Come on guys! You have to have read enough LD posts to realize that it is all tongue in cheek. LD is no more a lib than Nam65-66 is! He gets it, too. I read these posts and laugh my a*s off. Reading how angry a lot of regulars get just makes me scratch my head!
Blue Bustard- did you get a chance to check out that Bruce Catton book I recommended? It is a very interesting read.
Overall, this case has been a travesty from the start; I believe the stripper went to that house with the idea to set up those boys and extort money from them.

When all is said and done,
Three things should occur:

1. Mike Nifong should be in prison.

2. The "victim" should be in prison.

3. The Duke lacrosse players should be awarded a $10 billion civil judgment against the State of North Carolina, the Raleigh-Durham metroplex, Duke University, the New Black Panther Party, Al "Race P1mp" Sharpton, Michael Nifong and the "victim", jointly and severally.

LD
Nice parody (although your tongue may be too deep in your cheeck for some of the less discerning readers)

David Mac...
Just curious... what is Duke University's culpability in this? I live far enough away that I may not be aware of what they may have done. I mean who cares about an ACC school. They can't even spell football. What the heck is LaX? ;)

If The Case Is Dismissed
Will Jesse Jackson take back the College Scholarship he awarded to the "victim"?

A Big Reason Folks Go To College
Is To Make More Money In Life

After the lawsuit against the DA's office these guys ought to be starting out life with a pretty nifty little nestegg.

Gunny G, et al
The give away is the idea that if they are rich they are guilty of something so lock them up anyway.

Sounds like a normal (common) liberal opinion.

Granted... I have not seen hardly any other posts from LD and maybe I have spent to much time in liberal blogs.

Loyal Democrat
If no woman would lie about rape, we should have another chat with Juanita Broaddrick regarding the actions of William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.

So, LD in the words of our former President, "You'd better put some ice on that."

Hamilcar Barca

Hey, "Rand"y
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the law require the police or prosecutor to turn over to the defense exculpatory evidence? And can't identifications be thrown out if the lineups were prejudicial?

I went to law school in the 1980s and haven't been any kind of lawyer for 12 years (never was a criminal attorney). So I'm a bit rusty here...

Duke
Unfortunately, it's media personalities, like yourself, who write whatever you want to write, regardless of facts . You also hound people to talk and then blame them for talking. No one, but those officially involved with this case, knows what's going on, but that doesn't matter to the press when they want a story or want to crucify or exonnerate certain people. Remember Richard Jewel, Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway and Tawana Brawley, to name a few?
The personal lives invaded, the lost and ignored evidence and the reputations and lives of people that become ruined don't mean a thing as long as you and yours get what you want.
So, before you criticize others, take a look in the mirror.
Sharon Dupree

CVN65
Then he should at least let the regulars in on the gag.

I should have seen it tho. NO ONE, not even a flaming lib like my brother-in-law, can be that stupid and still breath!

LD's parody
Not previously having had the pleasure of reading one of Loyal Dem's posts, I got a few sentences into this most recent one, found my stomach starting to turn over, and moved on. It was only after reading the comments about his post that I went back and read it carefully in its entirety.

It is wonderful. He starts with the same "vast right-wing conspiracy" statements that I have grown used to hearing from leftists, but goes from suggesting a cover-up in this case to talking about OJ to spinning a class-warfare tale that would have a limousine-liberal (or even a Lexus-liberal) squirming in his seat.

Pure genius. What disappoints me is the number of posters here who have, or should have, gone back and reread the thing and still don't get it.

FeedFwd
posted the question, " what is Duke University's culpability in this? "

Before any trial, Duke U. decided that the charges were valid and cancelled the lacrosse season. (Yeah, lacrosse is kinda esoteric)

Duke U. decided that the players were guilty AND imposed punishment prior to trial. Duke's actions, at a minimum, placed the defendants in a false light and defamed them. I find that's actionable and Duke U. needs to pay the fiddler for that premature polka.

Big Belly
Your posts are hilarious and right to the point. I really enjoy them.

LD: As far as "no woman would lie about a thing like rape". Yes, she would, and they do. As Big Belly pointed out - Tawanna Brawley. Look it up. And that is why Al Sharpton is not all over this case. He got so involved in the Brawley case, before learning the facts (and she finally confessed that she was lying), that it took him months to get the egg of his face. I stand to be corrected, but I think he got sued.

The reports on the pregnancy are conflicting, but the latest and more consistent ones are that the woman is due to give birth in February. I don't know for sure though.

Mike Nifong gave 70 interviews in the first week of the case. This sure sounds like someone serving himself, especially as he has NEVER interviewed the accuser.

eI hav heard some
blacks discussing this case. Basically, they believe that even if the Duke players are innocent, they deserve what has happened to them because they are just spoiled rich kids.

LD parody
Andy - I think most people don't get LD's satire because of what AreDNmYheaD pointed out - his posts usually don't sound "over the top" enough to set of the lib-alert in most peoples' minds. This defaults him into the the "Most Ridiculous Lib Post" category if nobody catches on. But, like you, after reading some of them, I also believe now that they are parody - and good ones they are!
Between LD and BigBelly, we all get plenty of laughs.

and PS...
Nifong should be disbarred....period...this is a total sham. I can't remember EVER seeing a case in the media where more evidence swung in the defense's favor.....AND YET it still continues....no justice at all.

Jack and Pepper
To JackH:

"Point is, there will always be slimy shoddy filthy greasy corrupt self-seeking politicians exploiting the system for their own ends."

How true. In Stark County, Ohio a prosecutor (or persecutor?) threatened to turn a fraudulent speeding ticket into a felony child endangering charge if the defendant dared to even think about a not guilty plea. Can anyone say "extortion?"

To Peppermint:

"sickened is that every time a woman yells rape to gain monetarily or for vengeance, it hurts those women who have truly been victimized."

How right you are and it is not limited to rape charges; "sexual harrassment" is another example. There are a lot of people -- both in and out of government -- who need to read, or re-read, the old fable about the shepherd boy who cried "Wolf!" one time too many, losing his credibility -- and the flock -- in one fell swoop.





LD? Parody? Shirley you jest.
And don't call me "Shirley".

I don't care if LD *is* a mere parody -- which I tend to doubt, if for no other reason than the consensus appears to be he "sounds too intelligent to be real" -- as if it's impossible for a well-educated person to be liberal. That concept in itself is ad homenim.

But parody or no parody -- *this* time, he's plain *sick*.

Loyal Democrat's
postings here have been far better than the one today. Some of the posts that LD has written are gut busters.

The Real Give Away
If LD were not parodying the stereotypical liberal position, LD would have replied to the many objections to that original post. A true liberal would, by now, be hysterically defending himself with non-stop name calling. Instead, LD is, I suspect, laughing at all of the folks who took that post seriously.

False Complaints
I find it curious when someone claims that a woman would not lie about being raped. It happens all the time. I worked as a detective and investigated a good number of false complaints. The motivations varied from a woman wanting attention to a woman wanting vengeance on a particular man. For a while we averated about 85% false complaints. Now I do criminal defense investigations in the private sector. I have found that many investigators and prosecutors fail to corroborate before they charge. I have also noted that in many cases when a false complaint is substantiated the compliantant is seldom charged with making a false report.

The prosecutor becomes the rapist
The accuser gave several bizarrely different versions of the "rape," including one version that had some twenty white men raping her in a half-hour time frame. It would be interesting to hear Nifong explain why he chose one particular version of gang-rape over another, when all the evidence revealed the accuser to be a high-octane fraud.

It appears Nifong's political career trumped truth or justice. He is a man who would knowingly destroy the lives of three innocent people for personal gain.

Reply To Dr. Sowells
The Duke players could solve this in 10 minutes!!!

All they have to do, all 40 of them, is come forward and say, "Nothing Happened," take a lie detector test, and be cross examined.

Jackson/Sharpton B.S. special
From the very getgo this whole lie about rape has been another example of the "Lets go get free money from them white mo-f--k rich boys" the Jessie Jackson syndrome. Pure and unadultrated B.S. Its ok to lie all you want if its a pro-liberal Femacrat approved lie.

Good work Thomas
Keep it up - please!

What are the real issues?
Had to reread L_Dem's piece. It is parody but almost too good. But few comments strike at the real issues.

First, we have a person of responsibility and authority who abuses what we the voters entrusted him with. That shows moral decay that is routed in a national problem; the lack of personal responsiblity. We need to fix it or we'll watch America fall into decay.

Second, we see a large portion of the voting public that continues to blindly support bad behavior from our leaders. That is the mind set that enables dictators. We either learn from history or we are doomed to repeat it.

I fear the worst for our nation as we begin to face increasing tests of "standing for what is responsible" when it is easier to just bury our heads in the sands of ignorance (we need to understand terrorists, blow in their ear and placate them) and worse - self interest (more health care, more gimme_mine, more, more).

Adroit, Astute, Amusing, Abstract, Acidu
lous..............and so much more.

LoyalDemocrat!!!!!!!

If academy awards were given out for excellence in sarcastic wit on these post. You sir, would be nominated in the first round.

Good show lad.

To: Loyal Democrat
Are you a straw-man?

Hey Black Knight:Why the 40 players?
Just put "the victim" and Nifong through your test, THAT would take LESS than 10 minutes!

Why test the 40 players?
Just put "the victim" and Nifong to the test! That would take LESS than 10 minutes!

Disbar Nifong?
Mike Nifong won't be disbarred until he is recalled by the people that elected him. Since many of them harbor resentment against Duke and its "privileged" students, thats not about to happen.

Reply To Yuzzy
"yuzzy writes: Thursday, December, 21, 2006 9:44 AM
Hey Black Knight:Why the 40 players?
Just put "the victim" and Nifong through your test, THAT would take LESS than 10 minutes!(Y)."
***




Yuzzy,

Everyone, Rush, Hannity, Sowells, Greta, etc, says that there is not a shred of evidence against the Players and they are innocent.

They are innocent until proven guilty, however there is one sure way to find out.

Just have each player, one by one, go on the Rush show, or any national show, and just say, "Nothing Happened."

They have the right to remain silent, but any innocent man should be happy to go anywhere anytime and say, "Nothing Happened, " if in fact nothing happened; wouldn't you agree?

Do you have any idea why they won't say "Nothing Happened?"

If not, I do.

The reason the Players won't say, "Nothing Happened," is because they know "Something Did Happen," and their "Nothing Happened," statements will be ripped to shreds upon cross examination.

All I'm saying is I'd be very careful before I'd fall hook line and sinker, be led down the primrose path, and jump on the bandwagon with the defense team.

Look behind the hype.


Black Knight
You have obviously never been involved in a high profile case before. My father is an attorney, so let me clue you in:

In a high-profile case, everybody involved is to keep their mouths shut until it all plays out. Why? Because until the criminal trial, and the following civil trials have all happened, an otherwise innocent person can inadvertently talk themselves into a lawsuit.

Let's say Joe Bloe, who was passed out on the second couch on the right goes on camera, saying "I know those guys and I trust them over some lying ho"--BAM! Defamation suit

Let's say the guy on the beer run on camera says, "What the frak kind of name is...." BAM! Contempt of court.

Anything said in public record is usable as "proof" that Duke University and the Lacrosse team are not cooperating and may be conspiring to hide evidence----even when they are not.

The media and defense attorneys cannot twist what isn't said.

Reply To Sekhmet
"Sekhmet writes: Saturday, December, 23, 2006 1:29 AM
Black Knight
You have obviously never been involved in a high profile case before. My father is an attorney, so let me clue you in:

In a high-profile case, everybody involved is to keep their mouths shut until it all plays out. Why? Because until the criminal trial, and the following civil trials have all happened, an otherwise innocent person can inadvertently talk themselves into a lawsuit.

Let's say Joe Bloe, who was passed out on the second couch on the right goes on camera, saying "I know those guys and I trust them over some lying ho"--BAM! Defamation suit

Let's say the guy on the beer run on camera says, "What the frak kind of name is...." BAM! Contempt of court.

Anything said in public record is usable as "proof" that Duke University and the Lacrosse team are not cooperating and may be conspiring to hide evidence----even when they are not.

The media and defense attorneys cannot twist what isn't said (S)."
***




That's where you are 100% wrong!!!

Everybody in this high profile case is not keeping their mouth shut.

The Defense Laywers are spilling their guts, twisting and spinning all over the screen!!!

If that's your example of cluing me, you can keep it. If you see me and the bear fighting, help the bear.

With regards to the Players, they don't have to make a long involved statement. All they have to say is two words:

NOTHING HAPPENED!!!


The worst
How about finding out how many District Attorneys ever have been impeached and how, Mr. Sowell?
Hazard

The worst
How about finding out how many District Attorneys ever have been impeached and how, Mr. Sowell?
Hazard

Black Knight
The defense attorneys are doing the speaking, which is as it should be. They aren't saying anything on which the "victim" can hang a law$uit. Joe Lacrosse-Player is not likely to avoid crossing that line with a camera in his face. Going on Oprah with your attorney by your side to keep you from saying anything stupidly tortious just makes you look even more guilty, so there's no point in that.

So, as long as the victims are white, prosecutatorial misconduct is just fine by you, eh?

Loyal Democrat
Like some others, at first i believed your opinions were unsupportable, but upon reflection, i realize each and every opinion you have expressed has been previously expressed by some other loyal democrat. You are unique only in your across the board support of the totality of extreme liberal positions. The left wing is lucky to have you, sir. I asssume you are a regular and generous contributor to the democratic party causes you espouse.

Reply To Sekhmet
Sekhmet writes: Saturday, December, 23, 2006 5:40 PM
"Black Knight
The defense attorneys are doing the speaking, which is as it should be. They aren't saying anything on which the "victim" can hang a law$uit. Joe Lacrosse-Player is not likely to avoid crossing that line with a camera in his face. Going on Oprah with your attorney by your side to keep you from saying anything stupidly tortious just makes you look even more guilty, so there's no point in that.

So, as long as the victims are white, prosecutatorial misconduct is just fine by you, eh (S)?"
***




No need to explain it to me. I've already said, if you see me and the bear fighting, help the bear.

You were the one who made this outrageously patently false statement:

"In a high-profile case, everybody involved is to keep their mouths shut until it all plays out(S)."

There is no way to clean up such egrgiously wrong statement!!!
***

With respect to the prosecutor, no misconduct is fine with me, including the double standards of those prosecutors who saw fit rightly to nail druggy Marion Barry, but then the others who failed to prosecute druggy Rush Limbaugh;

Or,the misconduct of prosecutors and judges who let rapist Debra Lafave walk, while ghetto kids cannot get the same deal;

And finally, the misconduct of prosecutors, judges and juries who let killers Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam walk for murdering little Emmit Till.

Yes, I'm against any kind of prosecutorial misconduct, and I don't care what color the victims are.

Black Knight
Smoking crack on camera is a different issue from getting addicted to medications that were originally legitimately prescribed---and the criminal justice system will treat these issues very differently.

Rush is no worse than any other surgery patient who gets addicted to painkillers who has the same resources. He just happens to be a prominent conservative talk show host, and not some anonymous trophy wife in Beverley Hills.When I have to have prescription painkillers, I try to wean myself as soon as I can, just to keep from sharing that fate.

As for folks keeping their mouths shut, the lawyers are *supposed* to do the talking. That's their job. You or I cannot possibly know every scrap and tittle of laws with regard to defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, or know enough about the way public opinion works to avoid getting ourselves in trouble when the camera is rolling.

Let's say your best friend is implicated in a high-profile case. The last thing you need to do is jump in front of a camera---and that is exactly what your friend's attorney will tell you. Journalists are interested in controversy, and are trained to seek it out. A mere statement of yours or your friend's innocence is boring. The interviewer would love to spice it up with cornering you into making some ambiguous statement. They don't care if it gets you sued, taints the jury pool, or what have you.


Again: They cannot twist what you do not say.

Reply To Sekhmet
Sekhmet writes: Sunday, December, 24, 2006 12:52 AM
Black Knight
Smoking crack on camera is a different issue from getting addicted to medications that were originally legitimately prescribed---and the criminal justice system will treat these issues very differently.

Rush is no worse than any other surgery patient who gets addicted to painkillers who has the same resources. He just happens to be a prominent conservative talk show host, and not some anonymous trophy wife in Beverley Hills.When I have to have prescription painkillers, I try to wean myself as soon as I can, just to keep from sharing that fate.

As for folks keeping their mouths shut, the lawyers are *supposed* to do the talking. That's their job. You or I cannot possibly know every scrap and tittle of laws with regard to defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, or know enough about the way public opinion works to avoid getting ourselves in trouble when the camera is rolling.

Let's say your best friend is implicated in a high-profile case. The last thing you need to do is jump in front of a camera---and that is exactly what your friend's attorney will tell you. Journalists are interested in controversy, and are trained to seek it out. A mere statement of yours or your friend's innocence is boring. The interviewer would love to spice it up with cornering you into making some ambiguous statement. They don't care if it gets you sued, taints the jury pool, or what have you.


Again: They cannot twist what you do not say.
***




Yeah, we know. Druggy Barry's cops' cameras were rolling perfectly, while druggy Limbaughs' cops' cameras were all of a sudden out of the clear blue sky, just so happen to not to be working the day Limbaugh was in the Denny's parking lot.

The regular camera wasn't working, nor was the back up, and the Best Buy was closed that day too.

Give my a flying break!!!!!!!!!

That's absolutely amazing how TV's "Cheater's," cameras can manage to easily catch people in the act, every single night, without fail, while the Limbaugh cops find having a working camera or a camera at all, is so extremely difficult as to be impossible.

This stuff is laughable!!!

You may find all the excuses in the world for Limbaugh, but the fact remains that Druggy Limbaugh walked while Barry was jailed.

Strange how that always works out that way. Jail time for blacks excuses for whites.

Strange how out all the corruption in the history of the Congress, ABSCAM, etc, Congressman Jefferson's office is the only one in the history of the Congress to be raided by the FBI.

Any excuse will do. We blacks know the score.

OxyContin contains oxycodone, a very strong narcotic similar to morphine. Blacks get locked up for possesion of Oxycontin while Limbaugh walks.

Rapist Debra Lavre walks, while ghetto youth similarly situated get 20 years to life.

Viscious killers Roy Bryant and J.W. Milam walked for murdering little Emmit Till, while black people similarly situated get the electric chair.

Your excuses get no quarter here!!!
***

For the third time:

You were the one who made this outrageously patently false statement:

"In a high-profile case, everybody involved is to keep their mouths shut until it all plays out(S)."
***

With repect to the law, you can only speak about what you don't know, and not what I know.
***

I repeat for the final time:

Any innocent man, without regard to lawyers, would be happy to say anytime anywhere:

NOTHING HAPPENED!!!

Removal and Disbarrment
'Nifong deserves to be removed from office and disbarred. If he gets away with all this, it will be a blank check for every prosecutor in the country to abuse the powers of the office.'

The constitutional and judicial procedural violations in this case have been outrageous. Kangaroo courts have been conducted with more integrity than this persecution.

Where is the media outrage and hysteria over the denial of rights and due process? Exactly - if this had been terrorists, Islamics or Blacks, you can bet they'd have been screeching up a storm.

It is essential that these out of control unethical liberal prosecutors be held accountable for their political manipulation of the judicial system if whatever integrity still remains to it is going to be maintained. There's been absolutely too many legal thefts and malicious prosecutions for one to not conclude that the real criminals aren't the ones wearing the robes and bearing the public titles.

With every one of these type of cases, confidence in the judiciary dissipates further, and justice turns to the streets for vindication.

THE WORST WORSENS/LOL DEMOCRAT
Thank you, Dr. Sowell, for another enlightening article. Yes, Nifong must be removed from office and disbarred to preserve a standard of justice in our nation.

As for the LD "Parody," I, too, found it a good read. LD's usage of grammar and punctuation is excellent. Employing a few intentionally misspelled words was a nice touch, as well. It leads me to believe that he might be a court reporter or an editor of some sort.

Anyway, it was a nice post.
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