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Tuesday, November 14, 2006
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
From champs to chumps
by Thomas Sowell
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In just two short years, Republicans have gone from being champs to being chumps. In 2004, the Republicans were voted control of all three branches of the federal government and most state governorships. Today, they are left wondering what hit them.

Now that Democrats are in control on Capitol Hill, President Bush has expressed hopes of getting a bipartisan immigration bill. The only bipartisan bill that can get past a Democratic Congress is an amnesty bill, which can be a down payment on another Republican defeat in 2008.

If the people in the White House do not understand how outraged their supporters were at this year's attempt to pass an amnesty bill for illegals -- virtually guaranteeing that even more millions will come -- then it is hard to know what message they got from the Republicans' recent debacle at the polls.

Immigration was not the only issue but it was part of the more general issue of betrayal, which includes the Republicans' runaway spending, among other things.

If the Republican leaders have learned nothing from their recent defeat, perhaps some Republican supporters will. Some of the most baffling e-mails received from conservative Republicans before the election were those which said that they were so disillusioned and/or disgusted with the Bush administration that they were going to vote for Democrats in order to send a message.

This is the kind of emotional self-indulgence common among liberals but apparently some conservatives have now also come to see elections as occasions to vent their feelings rather than to choose among existing options for the future of the country.

Sending a message may have its benefits but -- as with all benefits -- the question must be asked: "At what cost?"

On the left, it is considered OK to say things like "open space" or "alternative fuels" without any thought of the cost. What is new is finding the same spirit now flourishing among some conservatives as well.

As events unfold over time, perhaps those conservatives will reconsider whether it was worth it to "send a message" to President Bush at the cost of making Senator Pat Leahy chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Senator Leahy's control of that committee virtually guarantees that the only kind of federal judges who can get confirmed are the kind who are likely to spend decades on the bench creating new "rights" for criminals, illegal aliens, and terrorists.

Was that price even considered by conservatives who indulged their anger instead of weighing alternatives? It is easy to say "the parties are no different" or "things couldn't get any worse."

People have said that before -- and have been proved wrong before. Before the election of 1860, abolitionists said it would make no difference whether Lincoln or a Democrat was elected. But millions of people were freed because that prediction was wrong.

In Germany, the Weimar Republic was nobody's idea of an ideal government and, in the desperate days of the Great Depression, no doubt many German voters thought that nothing could be worse. But they discovered during the dozen years of Nazi rule just how much worse things could be.

Congressional Republicans don't have enough votes to stop any legislation or confirm any judges, especially since the Democrats stick together, unlike Republicans. Moreover, with a Republican President saying that he wants both a bipartisan immigration bill and a bipartisan minimum wage bill, there is not even a hope of a veto.

But the fact that you cannot stop something does not mean that you have to become an accomplice. There is no reason why a majority of Republican Senators should ever again vote to confirm another extreme activist judge like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Nor is there any reason why Congressional Republicans should again outrage their supporters by voting for another illegal immigration amnesty bill. Not unless they want to be chumps again in 2008.

Even aside from moral issues, betrayal has had a bad political track record under both the elder President Bush ("No new taxes") and the younger President Bush ("comprehensive immigration reform"). Congressional Republicans will have to face the voters again in 2008, even if President Bush does not.

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They got what they deserved.
Respectfully to all, the proposition of forming a new conservative seems quite enticing given the current state of the Republican Party. However, I perceive this last election as a step forward in regaining the GOP for Reagan conservatives.

I think we can all agree that President Bush and his ilk are far from conservative governors. Clearly, true conservatives have been ignored and taken for granted in the past few elections. we have rewarded these lukewarm Republicans by holding our nose and voting for them. However, after the Senate passed what they called "comprehensive immigration reform" and given the ramped up spending by so-called conservtaive leaders, we conservatives have finally decided that it is time for, forgive me, a good "housecleaning".

What difference does it make to have this Republican majority if they govern like liberal democrats? we conservatives are left with the choice between the "rock and a hard place" when we go to the polls. So, what is a good conservative to do? How do fix this?

A new party? Think Bull Moose - that's just not going to work. So, now what? Reform from within. Some say we need to throw them out in the primaries - well, if your choices are John McCain and John McCain II - then that's no choice. So now what?

Conservatives are left with no choice but to "cleanse" the party by implementing what some have called the "nuclear option". In short, conservatives have *tried* to tell the GOP - hey, if you don't give us good, solid, rock ribbed conservatives, then we are taking our ball and going home. We have no other choice because no one is representing us. And, when we stay home, Mr. President, YOU LOSE.

IF they understand us, then perhaps in '08 we can retake our party. However, given that the party has chosen to keep its leadership even after this monumental loss, I think there is still work to be done.

Your thoughts?

Piffle, Dr. Sowell
Dr. Sowell,

The question is not one about one election, it is about freedom for our children. Disheartened conservatives are saying they will not be taken for granted and their interests sold out to buy old people's votes, nor their culture watered down to buy hispanic votes.

Hopefully elitist republicans will get the message, and get back to the business of honoring FREEDOM. We do not need another anti-freedom party with the agenda of enriching their ownership class friends.

What Would Have Changed?
How does one indicate to Congress that they've strayed from the path desired by their constituency but to vote them from office? I agree the alternative is no better, and in many ways probably worse, but the Republican leaders had become corrupt arrogant and virtually out of touch with the communities they were sworn to represent.

I voted against my own Republican congressman. Yes, I sent a message, but there was little chance he wouldn't be re-elected. (He was). Since I was redistricted into his boundary, I have yet to see him either publicly or privately, unlike his predecessors. He has taken our community for granted and I would probably not recognize him if I passed him on the street, the first time that I can say that about my representative in the forty years I have been able to vote.

Both the Republicans and the Democrats will pull about 30% of the vote regardless of what they do. If the Democrats do not understand the anger over issues of immigration, spending and the stagnation in Iraq that resound with the remaining 40%, their reign may be short lived. They are not so firmly entrenched as were the Dems of old, and people sent them to Washington this time expecting change. Now they need to deliver. Remember, most Americans don't want an amnesty bill.

Goshawk
"The various Liberal groups will now do all they can, while they can, to change or pass Liberal leaning laws"

That can't happen without a liberal president.

Uhoh. We ARE in trouble, aren't we?

BonitaDave
"God only knows what idoicy they would have perpetrated in the next two years. Hopefully this will teach them a lesson."

Oh you need not worry about that at all. Nothing like the Republics now in Congress will ever see majority status again... until, of course, the cycle repeats itself in a couple decades.

GiveMeLiberty
The third world works great for the relatively wealthy class. Until the people remove them from power of course. Then their genitals get eaten before they die with their families in excruciating pain as their possessions are distributed to their murderers and squandered within a generation.

Kathy
"Throw The Baby Out, with the bath water"

If you're referring to President Bush, I agree. Getting rid of him could be the only good thing to come from a Democratic Congress. I don't think Cheney could ever do worse. Heck, he might even be persuaded to appoint Ann Coulter as the Vice President before resigning from office.

Correction
2014 is when we'll have a shot again. Maybe.

Sadly, there is a very good chance that we'll blowthat one too. Republicans will never learn that when they act like liberals they lose. This failure to comprehend history dooms them to repeat it.

Dr. Sowell, At What Cost Indeed?
We did ask what the costs would be. Apparently, not much. I thought it was too much and voted accordingly, but the only reason that Democratic control of Congress is a problem is because of...

BETRAYAL.

President Bush is a traitor to his base. If it were up to us, we would veto every budget until we got one we liked and refuse to nominate any judges other than strict constructionists. Let the next president pack the courts.

We would veto every immigration bill and we would guard the entire border. The president does not need anyone's permission to deploy his army within the United States to defend the border. They would have to defund the entire military to stop the president from doing that, and there is no way Americans would tolerate a Congress that did that. But "our" president is a traitor to his base and does not think like we do.

A country club republican, history proves, is the same as a liberal. Even on the beloved tax cuts, Bush is a traitor. Deficit spending in a tax cut environment is a lie, because it ensures future tax increases to pay the interest and does not roll back the growth of government.

Bush has an opportunity here to move the country seriously forward on a conservative domestic agenda. He can prevent all legislation from passing, he has full control of the military, and he need not permit any new judges, for two years. He could even automatically veto legislation approved by most democrats - effictively eliminating their majority entirely.

These things will not happen. The president sucks. Maybe in 2012, in President Clinton's six year itch, we'll have a real man to run for President. And maybe NASA will send a spaceship to the moon to bring back all the cheese up to feed the starving kids in Africa.

Too much credit to voters
The liberal press and too many other things to do. I believe we DO NOT have an informed citizenry. It is very popular to bash Bush and it's constant and unrelenting. Lots of negatives on republicans(deserved or not)+an uniformed citizenry on who Democrats really are=bad decisions at the polls.

So what?!
In two years, things will be worse no matter who won this mid-term. Now the Republicans will get back to where they ought to be (conservative) and will win big-time. I am disgusted by both parties right now and don't see a real difference.

Throw The Baby Out, with the bath water
I gave up on republicians because they have adopted the attitude, bathe the baby in filthy bath water, whereas the democrats through the baby out with it. A fine line seperates the two!!!

Quibbling Mike (R)
I hear mike is on his way. Last word??

The Joe Liberman Wild Card
I would not rule out all judicial appointments or the conservatives. Like Jim Jeffords (D-VT), Joe Liberman (Independent), has the option to change parties (become a Republican)and the majority party in the Senate at ANY TIME.

If the Republicans are smart, Joe will be on the ticket in 2008. Cut a deal and Patrick Leahy will be ex-chairman. I kind of think the Republicans are more comfortable following someone else and have apparently copped-out.


Partisanship blinds to brilliant
I am an admirer of Sowell, but sadly I must observe that he yet again demonstrates a blindness that afflicts the most intelligent among us. Prior to each election he makes the lesser of two evils pitch. Now post election he makes the lesser of two evils pitch. The problem with resorting to the lowest human denominator for an argument is that it also lacks logic and reason. And the couple examples he provides are just flat out not supportive.

He starts off with, the Repubs betrayal by trying to pass an amnesty bill should be no reason to throw the baby (Repubs) out with the bath water (treason by taking down borders for the ’10 SPP super hwy). Now the insanity of this argument is that the Feds have only one main duty, protect the borders, not senior drugs, not 15,000 earmarks vs 1,500 just a few years ago, not CAFTA, not SPP, etc.. When your givernment (sic) refuses to protect the borders all other issues become irrelevant. This shows that partisanship trumps his otherwise fine intellect.

His claim is that surrendering the country to South AmeriKan (sic) Marxist is no reason to reject the beloved GOP is that Leahy will nominate another Ginsburg, but not a Repub Souter. Note that the Repub majority SC that all voted to give us Roe v Wade and the Repub justices that gave us almost every other wacko SC decision. Of course they will not nominate an Alito or Roberts who never the less both promised to uphold Roe v Wade claiming the Constitution is second to the evolution of judicial activism by both claiming Stare Decisis as their proof and their promise to uphold the liberal agenda in courts based on such nonsense. And if this isn’t enough to get Constitutionalist up in arms, Bush wanted Ginsburg 2, a friend of the ACLU, funding source for Dems in TX on and on, Harriet Meirs to be SC justice.

His other bogus analogy is that if folks had listened to abolitionist that voting for Lincoln or Dems would make no difference, that the slaves would not have been freed. The structural error in this is that Lincoln was campaigning for his first election as president, folks having no clue who or what he might do. With Bush we had six years of proof of what he had done, and we couldn’t take another two years. Can you imagine the next appropriations bill with 30,000 ear marks instead of 15,000. Can you imagine Bush’s team continuing in Mexico to design the super hwy when his SPP treaty opens up the borders and the South AmeriKan Marxist get an 8 lane (or whatever design they finalize) hwy to flood our nation. And who knows if the legislature will stop it anyway. Simply said, there was no abolition group in ’99 telling us that if we vote for Bush, he will open up the borders and free the South AmeriKans, (although if anybody took the time like I did and read the TX paper archives, such was easily fathomable). But on Nov 7 ’06, we already knew he had been working day and night to free the South AmeriKans without the need of such group. Therefore this is the false comparison of apples and oranges and makes no sense at all.

Again, a mere look into our grand history proves several things. First is that Lincoln freed not one slave. This is available on the US givernment LOC website on Lincoln freeing the slaves. Lincoln was dead, before congress decided to even approach the topic. All Lincoln did was promise to free slaves during the war and only well below the Mason Dixon line, avoiding close states to the North so such freeing wouldn’t impact the North, so that they’d run interference with farming crops and in general the South war effort. Any Lincoln/slave/nobility is just bogus. If Lincoln had not started the war no slave would have been freed for another 25 years.

His next error was that the Germans voted Hitler into power. I don’t believe Hitler was in, but rather his opponent was voted in. Hitler then cut a deal for his party to unite with the winner to give him a ruling majority and soon thereafter rested away his power to take the title, all without a popular vote.

He then concludes by claiming that the Repubs should never be accomplices in voting for another Dem judge like Ginsburg. Hello my partisan friend, do you remember the facts about Ginsburg? Her campaign manager was Hatch, a Repub. He got the entire Senate to all vote for her excepting 3 Repubs the likes of body and spirit that don’t exist in DC any longer. It is this type of stuff that provides no reason to vote Dem or Repub. They stink equally to high heaven.

State of Affairs
Dear Diary
November 15, 2006

Just finished reading the Sowell piece for yesterday and the comments attached thereto. I am still unable to comprehend how so many intelligent people equate conservative to republican as if they were synonymous. John McCain is no conservative. I doubt he ever has been. Arnold Swartzenegger is as conservative as any of the other Kennedy clan. In California, it does not matter, you see.

Then there are the opiners who say that the ‘fat cats’ don’t get it or they didn’t listen. These people are professional politicians. They got it. They went home with a boat load of money and a pension. We got the shaft. These same hacks will be back re-born and revitalized. Promising anything to the masses while delivering to the big money. What are we to do about it? Don’t vote for them? OK, but in the meantime we are stuck with whatever crap they passed during their two, four or six year of 3.5 days work week.

The fact is people with money have more free speech than I do and I resent it. Thanks to McCain/Feingold, it is worse than ever. Just how equal do they really think we are? A guy with millions to spend on an election to an office that pays 1/10th of that and is limited in term, has way more free speech than I have.

Put that into the pot with millions of public educated voters who don’t even study civics, let alone the political system and millions more that have to be told which button to push, millions more ‘victims’, well I guess that’s everybody now, the thirty year old whom want to be on disability and see what we have going for us.

Large boomer population, that has been financing most of our growth for the last 15-20 yrs, retiring and drawing down their investments. A smaller GenX that will be expected to finance GenY in the same way. Problem is GenY is much larger than GenX. Where will the money come from?

We have a slowing economy. Due to free trade and open markets, we are impacted by what they do in China and Japan. Both of these economies are based on cheap money, deficit spending. Hell we are too. Our rates will rise while theirs may not. Trade deficit worsens. We lose more jobs. But I digress.

The simple truth is, being a fiscal conservative and a social liberal just will not work. Not as long as the till can be tapped to pay for everyone’s life style choice. I certainly believe you should be allowed to live and act in anyway you personally can afford. Otherwise, suck it up and get a job. If you cannot find anything else, move to hollywood and become an entertainer.

GOP coulda been a Contenda

.....but got corrupted by power and money...can they make a Rocky like comeback in '08?...

.....depends on who runs the RNC and the minority positions in the House and Senate...the President selects the head of the RNC so it looks like Mel Martinez is going to be a part of that (mexican vote?)...

.....conservatives better begin now to rebuild in '08...email your Representatives to vote for Pense and Shaddegg for minority leader and whip...

.....email your Senators to vote for McConnell and Lott for leader and whip...

.....support a strong conservative...one who strikes fear in the hearts of the Liberals and who can take the heat from the MSM...for President...

....if we can accomplish those things I think we might have a chance to make a comeback...Yo' Adrian.....COLOSSUS

jd
Love your comments.

Champs toChumps
Don't rightly know that we were champs, but we were in a position where we could have been. We were wrong on the issue of immigration, but for the House. We profoundly overspent, probably rivaling LBJ's Great Society. We certainly didn't take the moral high ground, drinking at Abramoff's trough and covering up the antics of the Congressman from Florida, among others. We lacked backbone when it came to articulating our position on issues and then standing on it. We really took it on the chin, and I must say deservedly so, but I did support my party's candidates in Ohio. If we do not take serious stock and make some significant changes, we'll be taking it on the chin in 08 also. Do not underestimate the political astuteness of Nancy Pelosi. They were quick to take advantage of our folly.
We will have some treacherous waters to navigate over the next few years, and selling out to the Democratic positions on the issues is not part of the answer. It is a real tragedy to lose able statesmen like Senator Santorum and Congressman J. D. Hayworth., among others. If we were going to bite the bullet this year, there are a few that it was not necessarily a bad thing that we are now without.
In any case, it is time for some soul searching, some value and positional choices, some articulation and some steadfast sticktuitiveness.
Are we capable? Indeed we are. Will we? A completely different Question.
We had better. The very future of this nation depemds upon it.

Profundity
I have often tried to explain to people, "your enemy can never betray you."

Your enemy can decieve you, mislead you, lie to you, but your enemy can NEVER betray you.

That leaves only firends and allies who can betray you. Because betrayal requires trust.

The Republicans betrayed those who supported them and sent them to congress. Yes, they deserved to lose. No we don't deserve the consequences.

Will they learn?

Not if they listen to the people who never supported them. (Spell that the mainstream media)

P.J. O'Rourke said it best, "America is a two party system, there is the Evil Party, and there is the Stupid Party."



WELCOME TO 3RD WORLD
You may not be want to live in the third world, but the third world wants to live by you!!

With open borders and a President who cunningly blocks any enforcement of Border Laws, the third world is bringing its "culture."

That is, illiteracy, crime, conflict, bribery, corruption.

"Immigrants" don't assimilate any more. They segregate.

Segregation is now called "multi-culturalism." Very hip with the academic crowd.

You all took for granted the achievement formerly known as "America." Enjoy the next few years. After that, third worldism takes over.

Face it. It's over. The fix is in.

What to do?
Learn how to bribe public officials and police. Just like in the third world.
Put iron bars over your home's windows, just like in the third world.

Thank you, stupid Republicans. Thank you, "compassionate" President. If only you had some compassion for Americans.

WELCOME TO THIRD WORLD SQUALOR - CHUMPS!!!!

HERE COMES HILLARYCARE
Buck and gadget282 have sounded the tocsins quite well.
Being one of those over 55, I am well aware of the Canadian system which figures you've had enuf time on this earth and if you crap out before your name comes to the top of the guvmint's list, so what.
Logically, the next step is euthanasia for those above an age the guvmint believes is proper.
Yessir, those oldsters are clogging up stuff. Heck, they remember when this country was great. Can't have that, you know. Gotta get rid of 'em.
At present my wife and I are patients of a personal care group; sometimes known as "Concierge Physicians."
The MDs have already pulled me through a crisis after one hospital screwed up and dang near killed me after I went in for minor surgery.
"Just any old Doctor" couldn't have done what those Concierge Physicians did since, simply, all doctors are now forced to pracitce "7-minute medicine" due to pressures forced upon them by the insurance companies and the government.
Our doctors have a LIMITED number of patients.
They make HOUSE CALLS.
They have no answering service. That function is served by THEIR PERSONAL CELL PHONES!
But with HILLARYCARE, all that will be ILLEGAL and we'll have to take our chances with a doctor who doesn't have the time to know his/her patients.
Enjoy it, people.
That facet of the Democrat plans is only the tip of the iceberg.
They have all kinds of good stuff cooked up for the sheeple of the USA.

I'll Take the Keystone Cops
Regarding Sowell's essay:

"Senator Leahy's control of that committee virtually guarantees that the only kind of federal judges who can get confirmed are the kind who are likely to spend decades on the bench creating new "rights" for criminals, illegal aliens, and terrorists."

Sowell forgot to mention that these judges are likely to protect abortion rights, decide in favor of right-to-die issues (remember Schiavo?), remove legal impediments to stem-cell research, deny attempts by school boards to include creationism and intelligent design theory in public school science classes, and reject prayer-in-school legislation. In other words, at least the liberal judges do not have a religious agenda and will not further degrade the separation of church and state.

"Congressional Republicans don't have enough votes to stop any legislation or confirm any judges, especially since the Democrats stick together, unlike Republicans."

There is a reason Republicans don't stick together; there is a split between Evangelicals conservatives who want to impose their morality on us by restricting freedom and expanding social programs (Medicare is one example), and more secular conservatives who want to reduce the size of our government. The Evangelicals out number the more secular conservatives.

"Moreover, with a Republican President saying that he wants both a bipartisan immigration bill and a bipartisan minimum wage bill, there is not even a hope of a veto."

Sowell made my point for me there--no hope for the Republican President to veto a minimum wage bill.

Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats respect life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness. So why vote for the Democrats? Because they do not stand against freedom on principle like the Republicans. We can all agree, I think, that it is a principled approach to life that guarantees success. I'd rather live in a society governed by the chaos of the Keystone Cops than one ruled by the designs and principles of inquisitors.


What was the alternative?
I suppose conservatives could have voted the Republicans back in and thereby demonstrated that spending like drunken sailors, imposing absurd and unwarranted searches of unlikely terrorist suspects at airports, and generally abandoning conservative principles are the path to re-election.

But what then? Republicans would have every incentive to drift even further to the left. As it happens, the message any Republican with an I.Q. above 70 got from this election is be conservative or you will be tossed out of office.



GunnyG
I remember something about Clinton restricting funding for the training of doctors specializing in Geriatric Medicine.

So our doctors don't speak English any more.

Or perhapps that was a plan to fix Social Security through attrition?

Off base, Mr. Sowell
The Republicans lost because they lost. Don't blame the debacle on disgruntled, disenfranchised conservatives like myself who did indeed for for the Democrats. I don't think there are gradations of treacherous behaviour.

Sometimes, the tree of liberty has to be refreshed with the blood of patriots and RINO's.

We need only fear...
***The house Republicans hung tough but now Democrats will give Bush his amnesty plan...that's the fear.

The fence was a Republican election year ploy for political gain..it was and is never going to be built. After the election the Republican congress and the White house would have cut a deal and Bush would have gotten his amnesty bill.Does it matter that now it will be the Deems who do it?

News story excerpt:
In Border Fence's Path, Congressional Roadblocks
By Spencer S. HsuWashington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 6, 2006; Page A01
No sooner did Congress authorize construction of a 700-mile fence on the U.S.-Mexico border last week than lawmakers rushed to approve separate legislation that ensures it will never be built, at least not as advertised, according to Republican lawmakers and immigration experts. shortly before recessing late Friday, the House and Senate gave the Bush administration leeway to distribute the money to a combination of projects -- not just the physical barrier along the southern border. The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and "tactical infrastructure" to support the Department of Homeland Security's preferred option of a "virtual fence." What's more, in a late-night concession to win over wavering Republicans, GOP congressional leaders pledged in writing that Native American tribes, members of Congress, governors and local leaders would get a say in "the exact placement" of any structure, and that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff would have the flexibility to use alternatives "when fencing is ineffective or impractical."
Read more here....http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501935.html?nav=hcmodule

***The Democrats will cut n run out of Iraq...that's the fear....Last may the congress with White house approval sent a group headed by Baker to Iraq...a look beneath the surface reveals the purpose was to find a way for the Bush White House to declare victory and cut'n'run..there will be a lot of spin talk to cover and deny, but cut'n'run was on congressional Republican minds...does it matter that now it will be the Dems joining in the effort?
Times Online October 17, 2006
US panel to propose Iraq policy U-turn
A high-level panel set up to advise the White House on Iraq is to propose radical changes to US policy including the large-scale withdrawal of US troops, it has been reported.
A high-level panel set up to advise the White House on Iraq is to propose radical changes to US policy including the large-scale withdrawal of US troops, it has been reported. The commission, which is headed by James Baker, the former Secretary of State under the first President Bush, will recommend two options which would effectively represent reversals of US policy. One of these, called "Redeploy and Contain", would see the phased withdrawal of US troops to bases outside Iraq where they could be deployed against terrorist organizations anywhere in the region.
Read More:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2407482,00.html
One poster on here said "if the conservatives don't get their act together by '08 the Republican party is gone"..or something close to that.
Actually I agree that the Republican party could be gone as a political force in '08, but it is THEY, the Republican party, that has to get their act together. If they do, the conservatives will once again support them...if they get it wrong, conservative support is doubtful. But, the onus belongs on the politico's, not the voters.
As to Iraq and the World War we are in fact in, we are in big trouble, and like in Nam, its not a trouble due to lack of force capabilities, but a lack of national character. In Nam we won the battles in the field, including the "TET" offensive...but we lost the war right here in the halls of academia and the halls of congress, gleefully presided over by the MSM. Has anyone read "how we won the war" by N.Viet Nam General Giap? So, we left Nam. Our leaving cost 2 million people their lives..but the war...the war stayed in Nam...it didn't follow us home. This one will. The same idiots that gave us defeat in Nam are on course to do it again...but the war is going to be fought whether we like it or not, whether the cowards of the country understand it or not...it is going to be fought. And we best figure out a way to win this thing..Maybe we should follow Lincoln's example when he had to deal with the copper heads.

Republican Abraham Lincoln was able to win the 1860 presidential election largely because the Democratic party had torn itself into several factions and could offer no united opposition. In the North the Democrats divided into two factions- the War Democrats and the Peace Democrats. Neither group agreed with the way the Republican administration conducted the war, but the War Democrats at least supported the fight for the Union.
The Peace Democrats were opposed to the war and would have accepted a negotiated peace resulting in an independent Confederacy. Most Peace Democrats were from the midwestern states of Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana, but political dissent was widespread throughout the North. Midwesterners had close economic and sentimental ties with the South, and many of them bitterly opposed the Union's war against what one of them called "the injured, incensed, downtrodden people of the South."

In 1861, Republicans started calling antiwar Democrats "copperheads", likening them to the poisonous snake. By 1863, the Peace Democrats had accepted the label, but for them the copper "head" was the likeness of Liberty on the copper penny, and they proudly wore pennies as badges.

The Copperheads mounted a forceful and sustained protest against the Lincoln administration's policies and conduct. The most popular of the Copperheads was Democratic Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham, who in 1862 introduced a bill in Congress to imprison the President. Instead, Vallandigham and a host of other Democrats, including judges, newspaper editors, politicians, and antiwar activists, were arrested and imprisoned without trial on the orders of Lincoln and Secretary of War Stanton, who had decided to take off their gloves in dealing with persons "guilty of any disloyal practice".

Fascinating Fact: At the 1864 Democratic convention, Vallandigham persuaded the party to adopt a platform that declared the war a failure and called for negotiations with the Confederacy. http://civilwar.bluegrass.net/HomeFront/copperheads.html

I agree but...
Yes- in the short run we would be better off with a Republican congress but look how far they have sunk since 1994-the year of the Contract for America. If we overlook how they have mocked us for the past few years, God only knows what idoicy they would have perpetrated in the next two years. Hopefully this will teach them a lesson.

On a more general note, I expect this poor behavior by the Democrats. They are our socialist party and believe in big, ever expanding government. This idiology is supposed to be poison to Conservatives. How the Republicans can have been so totally corrupted in a mere 12 years has blown me away. Our founding fathers were right to fear democracy.

On the Banks of the Rubicon

.....Dr. Sowell...

.....I believe that the Presidential election in 2008 is going to be a watershed moment in our history...

.....Conservatives feel betrayed by the Republican Party and are standing on the edge of a precipice looking down into the abyss...

.....it is crucial that conservatives get it together and rally behind a strong leader that can win the Presidency and at least retake control of the Senate in '08 or else I fear that we will begin a long irreversible slide to Socialism and maybe worse.....COLOSSUS

11H...
I think we agree. To run against an incumbent today requires great wealth or access to wealth and a willingness to grovel, pander and submit to endless investigations into ones personal history. It helps to be connected with the party and you can become a rising star at the state level. The deck is clearly stacked in favor of incumbents. States that tried to implement term limits were shot down by the courts. The congress has voted for "election reform" that only makes it harder to run against an incumbent. Districts have become so gerrymandered that in many there is no opposition party and so the incumbent can blow nearly his entire "warchest" in the primary. Still, term limits have their downside. Unfortunately, incumbents have the best apparatus for getting funding and as a side benefit of being in office they also usually have the most name recognition and access to free PR (e.g. being on the news and sending free "newsletters" back from Washington to their constituents. If you have an idea how to get those already in office to level the playing field, I'm sure we'd all like to know. The only way I can envision is a guerilla grass roots campaign starting with a credible alternative candidate willing to run against the incumbent in the primary. If it is going to happen in 2008, it really needs to get underway now.

As for a scorecard... that would certainly be a tactic I would expect an underdog to take. I think it is possible to get information like that posted on political websites and by a variety of groups who track that sort of thing so that you and I don't have to spend days doing the research. And the action should be directed at likely primary voters, through 1 on 1 contacts or more direct, personal, and inexpensive methods than simply bringing all the dirty laundry out in TV commercials prior to the general election.

I also think you left out the most important (and possibly the most overlooked) requirement for elected office. That would be integrity. Honesty and character do matter. I understand that politics is a nasty business, but when a politician breaks a promise, he ought to be called upon to explain the reason.

feed
If I had that kind of time to research every politician before each primary, that has an effect on my life...I would run myself.

I also(unsolicited opinion)think there are no qualifications necessary to be a politician other than age, US citizen, and not a felon.

Nothing these guys do takes much brain power except fooling some of us, and themselves trying to gain or hold power, favors, and any other form of self importance.

The fact that Robert Byrd is a constitutional historian means squat!! Same with Newt or any other moe.

Being a good schyster to get bills through the house and senate means you are a good con-man.

Most people of even average intelligence, given accurate information, can make the right/good decisions on passing a particular piece of legislation.

I have my own views toward campaign finance that would clean up the system, also about incumbants passing election law that gives them the upper hand, ie. it takes more names on a petition to run for Mayor of Chicago, than Governor.

I will leave that to another day.

11h

Primaries are for Hammering Incumbents
sounds great, but I question its practicality.

In my area, the local incumbent Rep had token opposition, plus a war chest of several million dollars. In addition, the "good ole boys" network of other Congressmen stand ready to utilize their personal campaign funds to prop up their fellow Congressmen.

How does a newcomer buck those odds in a primary? Even in a small state, campaign spending requires millions of dollars.

I can only suggest that we "dry up" these funds, and try to take some of the money out of the system. I stopped contributing to my local Congressman when he asked for money to put into "other races" for good fellow Republicans.
Yet, I don't see that as a solution.

Term limits? Again, not bloody likely since Congress would have to vote it in.....and, besides, wasn't that part of the Contract with America?

I started to vote for the Dems, but the prospect of an additional 12 million "new" Democrats scared me enough to stick with the GOP.

Fat lot of good that did!


Bring it on Libs
- Raise taxes on the richest, blah, blah. Yeah, stick it to the rich..those who actually provide the jobs.
- Artificially raise the wages making it even harder for young people to get an entry level job
- Give us health care that will be administered by government workers who could not even qualify to work at Wal-Mart
- Redeploy from the front of the War on Terror
- Allow 12 million illegal immigrants free citizenship
- Allow my child care credit to expire because you need to fund your programs
- In addition to health care and minimum wage raises, make it even more expensive to run a company like environmental regulations...

Give us the very factors that assured the 1994 elections. How pathetic is it that the liberals think the US spoke loud and clear saying it was anti-conservative. The RINOs got fired. Democrats had to move to the right just to get elected.

actually always Right....they don't...
but they're all we'll let you play with until you're ready for the adult conversations. carry on.

Aunt B
"I agree with much of what you wrote. Nevertheless, “to draw the line in the sand” by putting the Dems and their hard left leadership in control of the House and the Senate, is tantamount to committing suicide."

Well, if it's any consolation to you, my Congressional Rep is Corrine Brown (D), who was running unopposed. My other choice was between Harris and Nelson in the Senate, which ended up being a blowout for Harris. So my staying home had little if any effect at all. Which, of course, is what gerrymandering is all about!!!!

As for the "committing suicide" remark, I think we slit our own necks when we put Bush in the White House. I'm not suggesting it would have been any better with Gore or Kerry though. Something tells me these guys are all in cahoots together anyway. Bush Daddy and Klinton seem to be getting along just fine....the best of friends!!!

If you're happy and you know it clank your chains!!

Name-calling
Poor GunnyG -- cannot post a coherent thought without his infantile name-calling ("Hitlary, etc.) I nominate him as poster boy for this TownHall hatefest.
As usual, someone will tell me to get off this site if I don't like it. Well, I do feel the need to keep abreast of what both sides are ranting about. Also, people like GunnyG are good for a laugh -- although they also make me want to weep for the future of our country. By the way, several members of my family also served in the military, and without an exception are against this war.

Speaking of health care
Now might be a good time to invest in land in or near the Mexican border cities. When Sillary's National Health s'care comes about, many of the American health care institutes like Mayo clinic, Mennengers etc. will uproot and gurney south to just across the border where the big bucks beckon and where the rich and near rich will follow like ruptured ducks. What MD with his own stethoscope would want to stay here and make a barely livable salary when he could move to Mexico and multiply it by ten?
Arizona is a good example of what's happening as we speak. The small Mexican border towns here have seen their medical, dental and pharmaceutical establishments growing vastly as each winter greater and greater numbers of the elderly (and sick) snow birds fly south. Most say, you can't beat the prices and the professionalism is topnotch. I say it beats waiting 2 yrs for elective surgery like I'm told happens in Canada ,the UK. and other National health care meccas.

Rockman,
I agree with much of what you wrote. Nevertheless, “to draw the line in the sand” by putting the Dems and their hard left leadership in control of the House and the Senate, is tantamount to committing suicide.

Please remember, it was the Republican-controlled House that was the bulwark (or the beginnings thereof) against the lunatic amnesty antics of the Gang in the Senate and our mystifyingly tone deaf President. Now, thanks to the purists, amnesty is sure, unless Mike Pence and John Shadegg are elected to the minority leadership and can, somehow, produce a miracle. A miracle is what it will take, you know, particularly now that Mel “Two Hat” Martinez will chair the RNC and not Michael Steele.

No, Rockman, the deal has been sealed and the only way to have prevented that was to have re-elected a Republican House and Senate and to, steadfastly and en masse, hold their feet to the fire. Such would have demanded a monumental effort on our part: a constant barrage of letters, e-mails, faxes, phone calls, perhaps even rallies and protest marches. That kind of activity might work even now, – I’m willing to try - but given what I know of the prospective Dem leadership in both congressional bodies, the new RNC chairman and the schizo Administration, I’m not all optimistic.

I, therefore, stand by what I wrote in my earlier comment.

Disaster
The biggest disaster that the newly elected democratic majority could inflict upon this country is to pass an amnesty bill for illegals. Nothing else would matter. Those of us who were hoping for some kind of security in our old age can just chuck that pipe dream out of the window. The democrats have to understand not only the monetary costs such a thing would burden taxpayers with but the emotional just plain mental dejection it would cause. We cannot take on 12 million plus illegals who will need charity for years and years and years while they live here and send welfare money back to Mexico before bringing in cousins, aunts, uncles, grands, neighbors, etc. Nancy Pelosi had better look at this issue clearly and not through rose colored glasses.

Tch! Tch! Tch!
Always Right...You forgetted man...Conservatism and conservatives are a myth....silly boy.
Nyaaaahahahahahaha

Chumps
If Ziggy ang Gunny represent "conservative" thought; well that explains the election.

Sending a message...
The message sent by the dumbest republicans ever is, "Now that we are all bent over, duh, what's next?"

A Lot To Say, One Bit to Say It
The problem in these situations is that in the classic two-party election voters are essentially allowed exactly one bit of information to send their message. A bit has only two possible values: 0 and 1. With one bit you can say "yes" or "no," "black" or "white," "positive" or "negative," "yin" or "yang," "male" or "female," "one" or "the other," "Democrat" or "Republican." No more information can be contained in that single bit. No shades of grey, no explanations of why, this time, black rather than white. Therefore it's easy for pundits and analysts with axes to grind to put words in the mouths of the electorate. The best we can do quantitatively is look at regions, turnout rates, and historical trends rather than a race in isolation, to infer with any degree of confidence what is going on.

If this election was all about "the middle" asserting itself, then the GOP has squandered twelve years misreading who "the middle" is and what it wants, because ever since the party apparachiks gave Newt the boot, & esp ever since Bush brought in his mushy-soft "Compassionate Conservatism", our institutional-party electoral choices have homogenized into Hard-Left Democrat and Democrat Lite.

The voters are presented with few if any domestic policy choices of kind and not even a very wide divergence in degree for most issues. They have achieved "bipartisanship," which since 1994 has been Demmiespeak for "doing what the lefty Democrats want without arguing," and have formed essentially one Republicrat Party that freezes out every viewpoint except shades of leftism and Big Sugar Daddy Pork Barrel Welfare State? I dispute these smartypants pundits who intone that voters are turned off when "the extremes have polarized the issues." Apart from conservatives being PO'd, why should a nonchoice between Tweedledum and Tweedledee excite or interest voters? What's the point?

But the bottom line is that conservatives were blown off by "their side," and given a choice of heads they win, tails you lose. The leadership persisted in this attitude that conservatives will stay 'cause they have nowhere else to go. The Republicans were pathetically enacting most of the poor policies the Democrats would have anyway, & getting no credit for it. It makes less than no sense for Republicans to block good judges, as much of the clueless middle isn't motivated by that issue anyway. Those who want activist Big Sugar Daddy government want the whole loaf, not just half, so such pandering is futile as it proved. I don't recall anyone saying "Thank you, GOP, for the nice drug entitlement, & for the gobs of new money for public schools." No, the recipients were either apathetic or figured if that's what the Repubs would give them, how much more could they get from the Demmies. There's no winning when you play the Demmie's spend-&-pander game in their own arena.

As I've said before, there is a way to spin and distort nearly any choice the conservative voters might make:
vote Republican = endorse its mushy spineless Democrat Lite stance.
vote Democrat = mandate for socialism and victimology
don't vote = political nonperson.

The one way I see to unambiguously send a message that We Want Conservatism, and Candidates Who Will Stand Up Proudly and Champion It, is to develop and support a conservative third party. That would change the dynamic on this stupid little Nixonian Politcal Science 201 game they persist in playing, where they feel they must "move toward" the position of the opposition in order to woo votes from that middle ground. The Demmies' smarter strategy was to encourage them to do so, at the cost of abandoning their base. Didn't James Carville say something like "There's nothing in the middle of the road but white lines and dead armadillos?"

Inflation, anyone?
Disheartened conservatives, I bid you greetings from the land of the RINO King. Arnold came to our rescue. He charged the mountain and slew the fire breathing big government governor, Davis. The golden state had a fiscally responsible leader again.

RINO King then survived the landscape and determined he had sufficient political clout to take on our legislature of Orks by going to the people. The people, revolted by his audacious special election, flatly rejected the conservative agenda, taking his highness out at the knees.

You think your minimum wage problems are a problem, on January 1, 2008 our minimum wage is going to be $8.00 an hour. Thank yooouuu RINO King.

Republicans looked over at the new popularity of RINO King and followed his lead. Now they are the whipping boys for every tin pot liberal idea to redistribute misery.

Maximum wage!? Donaldd, what are you smoking? What kind of Marxist moron are you? There’s a liberal mantra of an idea if ever I heard one. Let’s make sure those who produce little get rewarded and those able to assure value get the shaft.

Look out people, here comes the Pelosi patrol. Bring lawyers, guns and money! You’ll need every dime and bullet you can get your hands on to survive those patronizing pillagers after your wallet.

To Ianfleming and his ilk
So which Republican from your congressional district did YOU vote for?

Always Right?
Obviously you aren't, except perhaps in the confines of your own mind. As to conservatism, for a myth we did a heck of a job on the libernut Republicans didn't we...Not only did this ole myth and other myths like me do it, we told you months in advance we were going to do it. Whatta myth,...can I have an atta boy from ya? Myths like Atta boys...
Nyuck nyuck nyuck nyuck nyuck

2010 - North American Union
"THE PRESIDENT SCUTTLED HIS OWN PARTY KNOWING THE DEMOCRATS WOULD HAND HIM HIS AMNESTY/CITIZENSHIP ON A SILVER PLATTER IN RETURN FOR CONTROL OF CONGRESS."

Remember that 2010 was the target date for the creation of the North American Union. Bush is doing his part to get it ready for the Democrats to finish up. How? By destroying the Republican party so they won't have a chance in '08.

America as a nation is the walking dead. Most Americans just don't know it yet.

Short Term Thinking
Dr. Sowell is engaged in short-term thinking that shows a defeatest attitude.

I am sure that Dr. Sowell would agree that sometimes it is necessary to undergo short term pain in order to ensure long term gain. In this case, we have to undergo the pain of a Democratic Congress in order to ensure that in the long term, the GOP will return to the ideal that got them elected in the first place.

Since 1994, the GOP has become the party of big spending, big government and over regulation. McCain-Feingold, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Drug Plan, the Bridge to Nowhere, Amnesty for illegals, and now a higher minimum wage -- more than any Democrat could have wished for.

This election, we Americans were (again) given a cruel choice. Either vote against the Democrats or try to save the republic by attempting to reform the GOP. Dr. Sowell and many others held the opinion that the consequences of a Democratic victory were too horrible to contemplate. Others, perhaps the majority, believed that the spectre of a GOP further to the left of the Democrats was the greater danger.

Dr. Sowell has fallen into the trap of treating those who disagree with him as children -- a trait he often ascribes to liberals. We are NOT children. Many of us have carefully weighed the risks and the potential long-term benefit versus the short-term pain.

Dr. Sowell would be correct if there was no possibility of getting better candidates. If the two parties as they stand now are the best we can do, then the United States is a lost cause & we should do anything we can do to delay the inevitable -- even re-electing Republicans who have betrayed everything they were sent to Washingto to do. But if you are not willing to give up on America, then it is inexcusable to accept whatever the GOP give you without an attempt at reform.

Chumps
Not one analysis of the elections states that "The Base" left the Repub. Party.

Perhaps the rest of America tired of hate, hate, hate, kill, kill, kill; which is the usual solution on this board.

Conservatism is a myth. Stop hating and join the rest of America.

The so-called conservative politicians who gave us this war did not, (but for a few exceptions) send their own sons and daguhters.

Pray for the dead and maimed. They come from every so-called race, most religions and both political parties. You've swallowed enough kool-aid.

11H...
You have to get beyond the campaign's TV advertising spots. It is possible to send a message in primaries (but not in just one primary). Anybody running for Congress has a record. And that is especially true if the person is an incumbent congressman! What conservatives in particular and republicans in general need is a validated and objective scorecard. Promises should be saved for the general election. At the very least, the record of candiates in the primaries should be compared with the promises they ran on previously. Anybody who doesn't have a record or has a history of breaking campaign promises ought not be running in the republican primary for US Congress. Let them run for city council or dog catcher and work their way up. If they are running as a political outsider, then they should be able to show credentials from outside of politics. They should also understand that when the make and break a promise, they will lose the trust and be voted out the next primary.

JFP: A Reply
You wrote:
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Dumb
This has to be the dumbest column Thomas Sowell has ever written. I'm a leftist voting Republican because I'm angry at the Democrats. By Sowell's logic, I shouldn't be voting Republican. Is that really what he wants? And what about the Reagan Democrats? Does he wish they had voted for Carter or Mondale rather than Reagan? It can be argued that it was people like the Reagan Democrats who have helped weaken the Democrats and strengthen the Republicans over the last few decades.
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You miss the point. If you are a democrat upset because the Dems are too far left, then, esy, vote republican. If you are a Marxist and think the Dems aren't left enough, then you ARE a moron for voting Republican.

Same for the Republicans. The conservatives who votes out semit-liberal Republicans to get full-on-liberal Democrats were morons as well. It is similar to a man dying of thirst rejecting a canteen because it it's only half-full.

That was the point, which you somehow failed to grasp.

Ian
You said, I think you said anyway,

"Oh yeah, they(voters who chose to go Democrat or stayed home) "sent a message" allright, one that will be hard, if not impossible, to erase."

The same message Gore and Kerry got from me in the last 2 pres. elections for being too left. I had to vote for Nader twice just so I could say I never voted for a republican prez.

11h


Say no more
about sending a message in the primaries! It is nonsense. Most candidates of the same party take the same line on issues that matter.

Since you do not have an audience, does the continuous sniveling and whining about the primaries message really get to Joe Voter? NO!!

We are free to vote contrary to our interests; I do it all the time because my country means more to me than my own wants.

11h


MrRight...
You are right: "...but it seems to me that the proper place to voice your outrage was in the primaries." But to sound like a broken record, the power of incumbency is stronger than ever. And with gerrymandered districts, I'm sure the republican leadership never knew what hit them. But if they are going to support RINOs simply because they are incumbent, then it is going to take an extraordinary effort to oust the RINOs in the primaries. And that effort won't be without consequences as each candidate bloodies the other in an effort to win. I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't make the desired changes in primaries, but I am saying it isn't easy. BTW, what is the typical voter participation in an off year congressional primary election with an incumbent running? I'm guessing it is pretty low. Conservatives who are unhappy with RINOs as their congresscritters need to target and get the vote out during the primaries to elect better ones and then get out and do it all over again in the general election. It's hard work and talk is cheap. We'll see how things go down in '08.

JFP
What,did I read correctly, you are a leftist voting Republican? And you are angry at the Democrats? For what, pray tell? They campaigned to promise everyone in this country safety (but get the heck out of Iraq and Islam is a religion of peace), health care for all (including illegal aliens), more government programs, and so on, ad nauseum. Are you sure you are really a leftist?

Skunk Works Supt
For a long time I have been trying to say that the president scuttled his party. He has, for whatever reason, an agenda to grant 12 Million Lawbreaking Illegal Aliens amnesty and then citizenship. He KNOWS the American people do not want it; yet he continues trying and lying to the people about these "Honest, decent people who come here for jobs no American will take..." and he is telling that to Americans who lost their jobs to these job thieves. Then he tries to tell the American people that we have to let these people stay because it would be impossible to round up and physically deport 12 Million. The people don't buy it. The RINO Senate pushes the McCain Kennedy bill and the House rejects it. The House comes up with a GOOD bill that gets nowhere but the House is stubborn on the issue. At about this time the president decides to scuttle his own party to get what he wants. THE PRESIDENT SCUTTLED HIS OWN PARTY KNOWING THE DEMOCRATS WOULD HAND HIM HIS AMNESTY/CITIZENSHIP ON A SILVER PLATTER IN RETURN FOR CONTROL OF CONGRESS.
Talk about Benedict Arnold!

ianfleming,
I loved the "remember Jesus is not on the ballot this year" comment! You are right, the fact that conservatives stayed home to allow Democrats to reap the majority was just absolutely idiotic in my opinion. Oh yeah, they(voters who chose to go Democrat or stayed home) "sent a message" allright, one that will be hard, if not impossible, to erase.

No less true
that most of the points Mr. Sowell is preaching at all of us who have already voted, the long term effects and such; maybe he and his ilk should have been standing in the road (in front of GOP lawmakers)with a much bigger and louder red flag. Warning them of the consequences of their buffoonery in office.

I have no audience of any kind, so I send my message with my vote. Having said that...immigration, and a horrible approach to Iraq the last 2 years is exactly what turned my stomach.

It is likely to put the GOP down for the count in 2008, mr. Sowell is correct.

11h

ianfleming
Collateral damage. There was no other alternative. The RINO's were already voting Democrat. They were aiding and abeting in holding up confirmation for the SCOTUS judge. They had already thumbed their noses at their base. To re-elect them would have made them think they were bullet proof and they would have continued voting with the left side of the aisle and quite probably on even more issues than now because they were "the alternative to a Democrat".
One of the stupidest things anyone ever did was, when confronted by an armed person say, "You haven't the guts to shoot me!" But that is what the RINO's did and the people pulled the trigger. In either case the results aren't pretty but there is a change in the situation.

Cincy Bill is right
Hammer the RINOs in the primaries; let's see if McCain and Goober will get primary opponents as they should. The fact that polls show McCain beating Hillary is disquieting to say the least.
The Dems will send a "comprehensive immigration bill to Bush and he will sign it, in part because he wont have any consequences stick to him except by history. As predicted, by 2040 there will be 105 million Mexicans living in the west/southwest and there will be no USA as we know it. Eventually, somewhere after that, a large invading army of Muslims will fight a great pitched battle in KS/NB against a hispanic army for control of the whole shebang.
Minimum wages will go up thanks to Bush, with its attendent problems: more entry level jobs will disappear and those job descriptions piled on people who already have enough to do already, and added to the under-the-table $$ paid out to illegals, further depress wages.
Strict constructionist judges will be a thing of the past and more Ruth Bader Ginsbergs will be moving up.
Like a great stricken ship on the ocean that slowly rolls over and sinks beneath the waves, so is the USA. RIP.

Let me see if I got this right...
Right leaning folks, both independent swing voters and loyal Republicans, were so outraged by Republicans acting like Democrats that they voted for Democrats? I agree with the anti-incumbent / "throw the bums out" mentality but it seems to me that the proper place to voice your outrage was in the primaries. That the incumbents need to go will be demonstrated by both parties.

The Democrats are off to a quick start. They regained the majority through the election of "blue dogs" and centrists but the face of "leadership" will be Pelosi, Reid, Conyers, Rangel and Waxman-extreme lefty idiots all. Hillary is already talking socialized health care again.

Like the irrational children they are, they will not be able to handle the responsibility they have been given. They will reject the message sent by the voters and a massive case of nausea and voter's remorse is sure to result.

There will be an opportunity for GOP to regain much of what was lost last week in the 2008 elections but they must learn the lessons of this past campaign:

This is not about Democrats vs. Republicans. It is about the political class vs. the ones that pay the bill for all their high and mighty spending. Voters want lower taxes justified by shrinking government. This carries the added benefit of battling corruption by there being less pork to pass around.

Conservatives did not vote
Democrat, they simply didn't vote. The turnout was 40%, that is abysmal. Our government has been hi-jacked (a long time ago, probably during Rosevelt's time) and it no longer resembles what our fore-fathers created. We have courts dictating what laws the legislature is to write, Feds involved in every minute aspect of our lives where the Constitution clearly states that everything not specifically enumerated in that document was reserved to the several states. You want the Feds involved in education, fine, pass an amendment. Until then the Dept. of Education, Energy, Health, ETAL are unconstitutional usurptions of power that we the people have surrendered to. As someone posted above, I see a revolution brewing and the outcome of such is not clear and probably not good as it will most likely lead to marshall law for all of the foreseeable future. Personally, I will buy a good gun and lots of ammo for the future that this election has set in motion.

IF...
one looks into the phenomenon of so called "Independents" past voting history, they have ALWAYS broke for (IE voted for) Democrats in larger numbers than they did Republicans. Nothing new in that, but if there are those who wish to hang their hat on that premise, so be it...BEFORE the election,we said what we were going to..we did what we said we'd do and the results were exactly what we said they would be...it is what it is no matter the spin.

78,000 Voters did it.
According to some news reports, the grand total of voters who elected this present glob of legislators and governors - in the United States - is 78,000.
In other words, there were a lot of terribly close races.
The tipping point seems to have come from certain pressure groups such as the interesting statistic that Muslims voted overwhelmingly Democrat.
But the worst of it is the Manchurian Candidate in the White House. A man with no honor and certainly no ear to the folks who "brung him to the dance."
GWB has consistently shafted his political base.
>Amnesty for Illegals,
>Harriet Myers,
>Shafting conservative candidates in the primaries:
Pennsylvania - Spectre
Rhode Island - Chaffee
. . .and on and on.
Thus we will see Santorum up for a spot on the SCOTUS. And it was Santorum who knifed the conservative candidate in the PA primaries (at the behest of GWB).
So we will soon have the equal to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, recommended/appointed by GWB. And you can bet the Democrats will approve.
BUT WAIT - THERE'S MORE !!
HILLARYCARE!
She's already vomiting her bilge about forcing Socialized Medicine upon the USA. Catch her speeches on any web site you care to.
With luck maybe even the Dems will impeach Bush.
Who knows?
Who cares?
What's now happening in Iraq will soon happen here, as well, when the Dems "bring the troops home."
Happy cinders.

Newt
btw - don't expect to see Newt in 08 - while we have many outlets now besides the MSM - internet, talk radio, etc. - the MSM still sets the agenda about what we talk - notice that with all our vaunted talk radio and internet, we still discussed some republican congressman and IMs for 3 weeks. The MSM simply will NOT allow Newt to have any sort of fair shot at the middle crowd - independents.

I held my nose tightly
and voted for Mike DeRINO, but, after he was trounced, I didn't feel as if the world had come to an end. The Dems have not held power since the advent of the internet blogs, and will have a tough time concealing the Michael Moore,moveon.org, whacko left, truth from the public. Meanwhile, I don't have to read another pathetic form letter from a member of the Gang of 14...

vote analysis
You know, it looks like an ASSUMPTION to me that conservatives abandoned the Republican party this year. I've seen very little analysis of the voting. What little I've seen suggests it was independents that shifted over to the democrats. If that turns out to be the case, then we really SHOULD expect that the Republicans will shift more towards the center on issues - and expect to see more of McCain to capture the independents.

Ian and AuntB
I feel your pain. But it is a different time than it was in 1860. The power of incumbency seems to me to be soooo much stronger today. And what is a republican to do when their elected guys try to prop up the candidacies of liberals like Arlen Spector and Lincoln Chafee instead of new conservative blood? You see the republican party has become like the frog in a pot of hot water. It doesn't realize the pot is getting hotter and soon it will be dead. That is what is happening and I for one don't see how to change it.

I am sick that the dems are in charge of Congress, but I'm going to be sicker when the entrenched republicans ignore the "message" and continue on down the path of liberalism simply to preserve their positions of power and status, even limited as they are by being the minority party. At the very least, republicans should attach a sunset clause or amendment to every piece of legislation just in case it does pass and gets signed. But it'll never happen. I'm also sick that there are virtually no leading republicans of any stature who could be called conservative. I don't know who congressional republicans will select as their leadership, but I don't see any Newts out there. And who among the republican governors or other important politicians would you select for the post of president and vice-president. It is easy to find somebody more appealing than Hillary or Kucinich or Dean, but there are few who would be even as appealing as either Bush. That is the bigger problem for republicans.

Mission accomplished....
I agree with Rockman, and quite honestly it doesn't matter who disapproves of the Christian conservatives actions of refusing to support congressional Republican candidates in the election. We asked no ones permission or approval to bring the Republicans to power in '94 and neither sought nor needed anyone's approval to remove them. And anyone that wants to argue that it wasn't us, you need to consider some flat facts. For days, weeks, and months leading up to election day we said we weren't going to support the Republicans, and that without our support they would lose majority status. We didn't support them and they did lose majority status. I see that as promise made, promise kept. If the whiners who are so upset with the Christian conservative non-support could have kept them in power without our support they would have done it...They didn't because they couldn't.End of story.

Newt Gingrich puts out a weekly email news letter. This is what he had to say in yesterdays copy...
When it comes to the lessons of the 2006 elections, it's very important to set the record straight. I traveled throughout the country this election year. I met with Americans in all the key states. And what I now understand is this: Republicans lost, but conservatism didn't. The elite media, liberal Democrats and establishment Republicans will do everything they can to portray this election as a repudiation of conservatism. Their game plan is to panic Republicans into selling out their grassroots base and adopting a series of really bad ideas which will -- in their words -- "salvage" the Bush Administration.

In fact, such a strategy would be an absolute disaster for the Republican Party, guaranteeing a division within the Republican ranks by sparking a revolt by the conservatives.Today, some Republican leaders will advocate that we steer a different course. They will insist that we find a way to be appealing to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They will be wrong. We should rebuild the grassroots conservative movement. From the Reagan Revolution of 1980 through the Contract with America in 1994, it was this movement from outside Washington that carried us to the first center-right majority governing coalition in more than 60 years.

The problem has not been with conservatism or with our voters. The problem has been with Republican leaders who forgot who elected them and what values their supporters expected to see implemented in Washington.Voters did not vote "for" the Democrats but "against" Republicans.......Newt Gingrich...Winning the Future newsletter for November 13, 2006

Insanity
Voting in a national election for a party that has made it clear it does not share any of one's basic values is idiotic and indulgent. The consequences are just too drastic. Suppose 10,000,000 more Republicans all voted Dem just because they were miffed. Picture a Senate and House 80% Democratic. Picture the harm to the country that could be wrought in "only" two years, if it were to end there. Individuals who waste a vote because they want to make a statement clearly don't understand the statement they are making, or to whom they are making it.

It takes two to tango
The voter, and the votee.

If the voter doesn't engage, the votees shrivel up. Good safety tip, Egon! Remind me to hire you to run my next campaign.

Hello, the shrewd political maneuverers CAPTURE the MIDDLE. That's how Clinton came to power. That's how Bush came to power. And that's how the Democrats came to power, AGAIN. And you savvy extremists continue to crow about drawing your lines in the sand. Go ahead, says Rahm Emanuel. Make my day. Oh - too late - you already did.

How to draw a line in the sand ....
that no one will cross.

Oh, ye wiley coyotes. Sawed off the ledge on which you were perched.

Bye bye!

How I taught my basketball team a lesson
I stayed home until they started winning.
I quit buying their stuff until they started winning.
I waited until they won before I talked about them.

Now I'm talking Democrat.

Gullible Conservatives
A LAYMAN’S VIEW OF THE ELECTION

The American political system is an upside down, topsy turvy place. A Republican majority in both houses of Congress act like liberal Democrats; in the election campaign, the Democrats act like Conservatives, and on election day, Conservatives vote to elect Democrats.

Conned by their own rhetoric, and using their own words and values against them, Conservatives, values voters, evangelical Christians and anti-Christian libertarians were duped into voting for upside down values that do not apply to liberal left Democrats.

Gullible, morally weak Conservatives cannot be expected to successfully defend Conservative values in the future. Liberal extremists, socialists, with the willing help of a Left wing media, will purge Conservative ideas as a factor of political discourse. And, without leadership, there is not much anyone can do to stop it.

It is a dangerous world we live in, not because of the evil people in it, but because of the good people who did nothing, or the wrong thing, about it. The question now is, will Conservatives walk out once again while what they believe is destroyed and replaced by an unimpeded Left?

Many things are not right with the world, and not just political; it is spiritual.


clsr
clsr, The problem with your analysis is this: the welfare recipients are legal citizens and as such are entitled to a generous buffet of welfare and entitlement programs which they have figured are a much better deal than having to work at hard low-paying manual labor jobs. Once we legalize all of the current illegals they will probably figure out the same deal. And then we will need more illegals to come in here to do the jobs that our newly minted Americans no longer want to do.

I need help
I have put together a starter set of a "New Contract With America" on my Blog. I am updating it based on comments from posters. I would appreciate your input.

Click on my name to get to the blog.

guest workers?
the real problem with the "supposed" guest worker program is simply this: Why do we need guest workers when we have millions of our own citizens sitting on their collective asses playing play station in their government subsidized housing in every state in this nation that we are currently paying NOT TO WORK! I'm not suggecting taking away the money from welfare, let's just have them "assimilate" back into being productive American citizens and set them up as the guest workers. i.e. ; welcome back to what makes this country great. GET OFF YOUR BUTTS!

GF HAS THE RIGHT IDEA
The only solution is for a new party of true Conservatives to emerge, taking advantage of the vulnerable position that the Republican party has left themselves in, and rolling right over the big mouth inept Democrats. Unless something drastically changes in the next two years there is no way in he11 that the Republican party will win anything in 2008, that of course holds true only if jackasses can stop the crying and bickering long enough to actually accomplish anything between now and 2008.

hntr admin
http://www.headsneedtoroll.org

Great idea Donaldd
Donaldd, I've got a better idea than your maximum wage law. It's called the "Why don't we just leave business the he11 alone and let them decide how to run their own affairs" law. Naw, forget that; then we would need fewer liberal/socialists politicians running our lives.

neocons are the problem
neocons like cheney and rumsfeld are the problem. I don't think that anyone can dispute the fact that these people and their ilk have led the president astray. The spending, the adamant demand for complete control, the war without oversite from those that have the ability and training to wage such wars and the total waste of money and materials that are going to have the dems salivating before the first week is over on the new terms. By the time everything is brought out into the light, I believe that cheney and rumsfeld will be indicted for the gross mismanagement of funds, materials and personnel and I pray that the president can distance himself sufficiently that we don't loose the 2008 election due to the total inefficiency and blatant corruption of the current administration. No American wants one group to have abslolute power (as per the ol' saying absolute power corrupts absolutely). I was not one of those conservatives that voted for the dems simply to send a message although I must admit I was tempted. Voting in the same corrupt pathetic incumbants that had already screwed up so much was very hard and in some weird way perhaps I'm happy that the dems won. Maybe this will send a message to the republicans that we need to get back to the conservative leanings of small government, low spending and strong yet smart military that defined the party prior to this current administration. Beside, with the likes of pelosi, Murtha and reed at the helm I'm sure that we will have sufficient reason to take back the power in 08' providing we mind our P's and Q's untill that time.

To Aunt B
"I’ve been at this game for a long time; yet, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid purists can be. They willingly go down in flames and insist upon calling it a moral victory. The long-term cost of this supposedly moral victory is, in my humble opinion, beyond calculation."

Aunt B. There comes a time to draw a line in the sand. In my view, that time was when the President and the Senate were proposing Amnesty for the illegal aliens that have invaded our country. If they do this, it won't really matter whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats in charge. We will have most suredly sealed our fate and the demise of the United States of America. The numbers don't lie. If they do this, it will be mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to overcome the numbers of hispanic voters that will be generated in a VERY short period of time. And they will first become a fillibustering minority, and then the majority. The "hispandering" has only just begun. If they do this, it will never end, unless.....

we have another civil war, and/or another revolution. There is no doubt in my mind that it will happen, because they refuse to assimilate, and this is our country. It will be a struggle over the control of our government. If the politicians side with us, then we will have to resort to civil war to get the invaders to leave. If the politicians side with the invaders, then we will have a revolution to get rid of the politicians AND the invaders.

A house divided can not stand. The line has been drawn and the people have spoken. Sadly, I think this president and congress are arrogant enough to ignore us and try to play stupid. God help us if they do, because it's going to get REALLY ugly!!!

Min. Wage & "Guest" Worker Plan
There's still a million details to be finalized on how amnesty will become a reality, but I do find it interesting how the issue of a minimum wage hike and the amnesty/Guest Worker Plan are interconnected. I think that the Republicans should out-Democrat the Democrats and come out in support of a $15.00 per hour minimum wage. Yes I know that a minimum wage is both inflationary and a job killer, but if it can help to temper the stream of newly minted 3rd World "Americans" that the powers in charge seem intent on delivering then I believe it is a sacrifice worth making.

There is no way that politically any Guest Worker Plan could offer employment at less than minimum wage and with fewer regulations than exist in the normal employment market -- otherwise employers would simply choose to hire only "Guest" Workers and there would be a huge politically difficult unemployment rate in the normal labor market for real citizens. In other words a high minimum wage means much less demand for "Guest" Workers and of course we already know that there is no such thing as a temporary "Guest" Worker.

Plus non-amnesty Republicans could show how compassionate they are for the average working American. Yes all of this is ridiculous, but it is going to take strategy like this to limit the 3rd World demographic tsunami from obliterating our country and killing conservatism forever.

to CincyBill - there's still hope
for the prices of hamburgers to stay low at Wendy's and all other places where the minimum wage has increased - hire an illegal - problem solved - no need to pay a higher minimum wage!

ianfleming, you great prognosticator
Why is it that the Democrats are never "flexible"? Never seek "coalition"? Are always "unyielding"? And their agenda continues to advance year after year regardless of who is in power in Washington?

Maybe we should put Jesus back on the ballot? Ya think?

don't blame the voters
Yes, many Republicans sent "a message" when voting (or not voting). But don't put the blame entirely on them. The Republican politicians know why we vote for them, they know what we stand for and what we don't. They know our morals and values and what we expect from them. The Republican politicians have changed, we the Republican voters, haven't changed.

Dumb
This has to be the dumbest column Thomas Sowell has ever written. I'm a leftist voting Republican because I'm angry at the Democrats. By Sowell's logic, I shouldn't be voting Republican. Is that really what he wants? And what about the Reagan Democrats? Does he wish they had voted for Carter or Mondale rather than Reagan? It can be argued that it was people like the Reagan Democrats who have helped weaken the Democrats and strengthen the Republicans over the last few decades.

I've said it before...
... and I'll say it again. You can talk all you want about "sending Republicans a message," but they DON'T HEAR IT. Interestingly, they do seem to be listening to the leftie bloggers and commentators who are crowing about the death of right-wing positions.

Want proof? You only need to look at who the Repubs are considering for the new leadership positions. With the exception of Hastert, the old guard.

As time goes by, we'll see other such instances of what's left of the Republican Congress making nice with those across the aisle. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET IT. They don't understand, no matter how many times it happens to them, that left-wingers and hard-core liberal Democrats are never going to vote for them, never going to support their policies, never going to "work with them" to pass shared legislation.

The stupidity and blindness to history are monumental.

ianfleming,
I’ve been at this game for a long time; yet, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid purists can be. They willingly go down in flames and insist upon calling it a moral victory. The long-term cost of this supposedly moral victory is, in my humble opinion, beyond calculation.

Democracy is MAJORITY rule
Not small-minded, petty INDIVIDUAL rule.

So if you can't interoperate within a group, in a DEMOCRACY, you can't get power.

That's the only principle at work in this last election. That's the only 'lesson' taught.

You can't vote for an 'ideal'. You can't wait for Reagan to resurrect. You have to play the hand you are dealt as best you can. At least if you want to win.

Unless you want to go home and sulk, and call it winning. But then you're playing an entirely different game.

Understanding how to rule
Hello. Whatever happened to the idea of a coalition? Do you think that it's your way or the highway? Do you believe that any government that doesn't do things 100 percent they way you do is worthy of overthrow? Then don't vote. Stay home. And you'll continue to get what you've always got - your own opinion.

If however, you are willing to be a little more flexible: you can contribute in your own small way. No, you won't get everything you ask for, but you will gradually get some things changed, then vote. Participate. Learn to yield a little, and others will yield to you.

But take the unyielding approach, and don't be surprised when others take the unyielding approach with you.

As the current Democratic Congress will now only too happily remind you. My question is: with so many people willing to vote FOR them, how are you going to vote THEM out? Huh, wise guys?

Votes Send Only One Message
Votes cannot be cast with messages attached. Each vote sends only one message and that message is: “I allow you to wield power over me.” The expectation is that the elected official will improve life, liberty and property but they may end up taking all three.

Votes should not be used for any other less serious purpose than to decide who can be trusted with safeguarding life, liberty and property. Some Republicans qualify but most do not. Few if any Democrats can be trusted.

The Republican party was the answer to an unsavory party buffet. Every selection had become too rancid to choke down. When the only nationally significant party choices were between a pro-slavery party and a party that would not take a stand against slavery the answer was a new party.

More than 200 years of empirical evidence warns against attempting to create a new nationally significant party. Teddy Roosevelt and more recently Ross Perot and Ralph Nader show how it is fraught with peril. But the Republican party is a great success story of how a new party can work. Neither the Whigs nor the Democrats deserved to be voted into power in 1860. Nothing good could have happened had the voters “taught a lesson” to the Whigs by voting for Democrats.

Why must we keep pretending that the Republican Party is going to stop being the Republican Party?

Anyone who thinks that today’s Republican Party will be capable of restoring the liberties soon to be confiscated during the rule and reign of the Reid & Pelosi parliament and the soon to be enthroned Clinton 44 administration is acting like an 1860 Whig.

It will take a party of determined warriors to remove the leeches who the “Stupid Party” has just allowed to reattach to the teat of the Treasury. Rockefeller-Bush Republicans are whipped wimps and cowards; shrews who have infested the party of Lincoln.

The Democrats are going to do whatever they can to never again lose their grip on power – even if it means bringing the blade down on the neck of Liberty?

The GOP is the party of the proverbial frogs swimming around in the pot of cold water being slowly brought to a fatal boil. Why should we stay in the pot? Of course, G.W. Bush is not in the pot any longer. G.W. has decided to hop on the back of the fox to get across the river believing that the fox will not be a fox when he gets to the other side.

It will have to get a lot worse before the party willing to fight the battle for Liberty will emerge to save it. Liberty will prevail. It will be saved. But the party to do it will not look anything like the Republican Party as it is now constituted.

The neocomms are at the door. It will take the creation of a new party to fight the Second Civil War just as it did the First Civil War.

Poor chloice of tactics
All you yahoos who pulled the plugs on the Republicans - you have shaken my faith in the brain power of the right.

They shoud have a voter safety course for folks like you. Or at least print a big warning sign over the ballot box - Hello, we thought you might like to know: The consequences of this vote are REAL. You should at least try to elect people who are as similar to you in philosophy as you can find. Remember: Jesus is not on the ballot this year.

People like Uncle Alby, and Jack H.
Are perfect examples of people who believe the nuclear option can be exercised safely.

Get a grip guys. This is surgery, not world war. If you find an individual is not performing up to par, exercise your God-given rights and start a recall petition. Or target individual races.

You don't have to blow every Republican out of the water.

When you have a choice between a Yugo and a Taurus, do you choose the Yugo because the Taurus is not a BMW?

You are far too kind, Doctor Sowell
The lunacy of the right this past election leaves me wondering - maybe they don't deserve to win after all.

Hello, I'm from the right, and if you don't jump to my tune, I'm going to stop whistling.


Uh - OK. As you wish.

Yes, things can always get worse.
As Richard Feynman said in a different context "There is plenty of room at the bottom". Never think that things can only get better.

Off to the Hinterlands....
I was one of many who said pre election that Christian conservatives weren't going to support the Republican party with their vote on November 7th, and without that support the Republicans would lose. We didn't and they did. Now, men of vision are needed but I see no Ronald Reagan's or Barry Goldwater's. I see no men of vision, or even understanding in the ranks of today's Republican party. Hope of course reigns eternal, but hope won't do the impossible, and in my opinion its impossible for the existing elite's of the party from which leadership will be selected to understand what happened to them or what needs to be done to avert the coming disaster awaiting them at the '08 polls.

Senator Mel Martinez, a Bush boys hand picked senator from Florida is slated to head up the RNC. Is there any doubt why he was picked for that job? The Spanish vote ring any bells? That's a political ploy by the Bush lead Republicans..Politics as usual, some would say. Isn't that what got them in the mess to begin with?

I do not believe the Republican party will get it right or even understand. Obviously some members do and will, but the party itself is in control of the more liberal elements and liberals have never gotten anything right, and that includes Republican liberals. They took the party for a 40 year stroll in the hinterlands and they are en route to doing it again. The '08 Presidential elections started at the close of the '06 congressional election polls. Republicans have ONE bite at the apple and they can chose the apple from a bin of two. Chose the right one and a return to power in '08 is doable. Chose the wrong one and its off you go, back to the wilderness of meaningless existence.My money, were I to wager any, is on the latter....they aren't known as the stupid party for nothing. The word of the Republican party no longer has value. It can't be trusted. It is the performance of its members and the policies actively advocated for by the party that will be judged.

Mychal Massie says the following in his column of11/14/06...(excerpts)

In the aftermath of this past week's elections, I've heard rabid outbursts directed at the conservative base for not turning out. I've listened to the wailing and gnashing of teeth of no few Republican voters. I have heard prognostications – from "this is the end," to "what about the courts," to "think about what they will do about the war and the military," and much more – to all of which I say, balderdash.

Sadly, Republicans forgot why "we" elected (i.e., employed) them and began to behave like liberals. They took disregard for their base to new levels – spending and earmarks spiraled out of control; corruption, debauchery, disregard for life, family and in some instances country made it impossible to differentiate them from Democrats. Pragmatically speaking, change was necessary. We prune fruit trees to make them hardy and capable of bearing a higher quality fruit. Professional sporting teams replace entire coaching staffs for the express purpose of securing the future, as do major corporations. The insipid arrogance of pretend-to-be-conservatives deprived us of leadership and voice. Never was Congress more of an elite social club.

We can trust the liberals to misread what this election portended. It was not a referendum, nor was it a mandate in support of them. It was a statement against a party that had become Republican in name only. I firmly believe that this resounding rebuke of what our party has become, if understood and taken correctively, will ensure us of landslide victories in 2008.

We, however, must make certain that John McCain, R-Ariz., the Republican version of Hillary Clinton, does not have a successful presidential bid....Mychal Massie.... http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52934

What Democracies always Do
We might be tempted to say clinton got in because of Perot, not because of Bush I. But there was a Perot because of Bush I. Weak to core principles, untrue to the true believers. A prespiption for apostasy. The fatcats don't seem to have learned the lesson. They're re-electing the same lukewarm leadership in Congress that proved so feckless. The need for a Newt is clear, and before another 40 years of wandering in the Wilderness of Sin.

As I've said in another context, there is a general law that can be discerned, for democracies. It's not that old saw about the majority always voting for candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury. Rather, this is it: Whichever candidate gets elected will be the one who spends, regardless of promises, the most money from the public treasury. Witness the party of small government -- that's the GOP, if you didn't recognize the description -- which has spent more, by any measure, than any Democrat-controlled Congress ever.

In the minority, Republicans act as the brakes. When they're in power, there's only an accelerator.

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-democracies-always-do.html

J


Good to see you, Unca Alby
I think you might have something there.

Contract with America -- Principles?
I'm going to re-post for your edification what I posted under Jeff Jacoby's article - - -

I just had an interesting thought --

(yes, I *do* think, sometimes)

-- regarding Gingrich's "Contract with America" --

If you'll remember, at the time, the Republicans were a minority in Congress, and had been for several decades. The Republicans were all big and bad about "limited government" and "cutting expenses" (including the elimination of whole departments), and harping about the Big Bad Big Government Democrats.

But again, I'll remind you -- they were the MINORITY PARTY at the time -- and so, the chances of passage were somewhere between slim and none. Yes? No?

So I'm thinking now (and I can't tell you how much that hurts) -- MAYBE THE WHOLE THING WAS A SCAM!?! From the very start?!

I.e, maybe, JUST MAYBE, that if the Republicans REALLY thought there was even a SNOWBALL's chance of ACTUALLY making government smaller -- they would NEVER have brought it up in the first place?

It's like -- perhaps the "Contract with America" would NEVER have seen the light of day if the Republicans had 2/3rds of the house, which would have guaranteed passage?

you follow me?

Which is why NOBODY bothered to bring it up during the (now ended) Republican reign? I mean, if they'd brought it up a year ago, it *would* have passed -- or at least it *could* have passed -- so why didn't they?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Democrats are any better -- well, wait, yes, as a matter of fact, I *AM* saying the Democrats are better, in this one respect -- they want Big Government and they're "honest" enough to *admit* it. The Republicans seem to only want "limited government" when they know it's impossible to get it. As soon as they get the ball, they "cut and run" away from any *real* limits, because that's NOT what they REALLY WANT.

They want Big Government as much as the Democrats do, and ALWAYS DID -- they just want Big Government with *Republicans* at the helm instead of Democrats. If Democrats are running things, then yeah, sure, *then* they want "limited government." But not for Republicans.

I'll also remind you I'm *not* talking about "conservatives" here. I'm talking about Republicans. As most of you know already, there are some very important differences.

And I bring this up to perhaps throw a wet blanket on this vacuous concept that Republicans lost because they "weren't true to their principles."

In order to be true to a principle, you first have to have one. That's the first qualification for being in politics -- you leave your principles at the door.

Republicans lost because their lack of principles became painfully obvious. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool Mom. And Mom couldn't stoop to voting for either party, so she stayed home Nov 7.

Charlatan is the word.
They'll just take their ill-gotten gains home to the bank, congratulating themselves on riding the wave. And the Reagan coalition once more goes back to the drawing board looking for another good leader.

New party needed?
If remaining Republicans are not inclined to fight for conservative causes, perhaps conservatives need to finally abandon the Republican party and start a new conservative party. The Democrats were quite successful at undermining Republican success, and I expect nothing less from the remaining Republicans. I suspect a new Conservative party would become quite popular.

Savage,
Yeah. On the one hand, I think we had it all, and we blew it. But on the other, I think that was never really the case. It was an illusion. We never had a conservative majority, just a charlatan one.

Dr. Sowell
Sizes up the situation pretty well. And I guess we Conservatives will see the results of our decisions within the next two years. In addition to what Dr. Sowell mentions. We have opened the door for every Liberal agenda out there. The various Liberal groups will now do all they can, while they can, to change or pass Liberal leaning laws

Cynewulf
You are quite right to be skeptical. Several folks pointed out that a defeat might well push the surviving R's left, rather than right. We'll soon see. Well, the Gop majority was fun while it lasted. I am curious just what the younger generation who will have to deal with the results of oncoming problems, will think about this election.

I agree with Dr. Sowell, but
voters have been talking about snubbing Republicans for half a year now if they didn't change their unfaithful ways. Warning was given, and you should never give a warning if you don't fully intend to back it up. One other "cost" or unintended consequence that voters didn't take into consideration is that the remaining R's would have enough sense to figure out the message. I imagine Republicans driving a car and their base saying, "Turn right! Turn right! No! Your other right!"

Good article, as usual
Dr. Sowell. We can only wait and see what the battered R's do. It may be possible that voting agaist unpopular bills passed anyway will re-kindle voter support for 2008. We can hope.
Cincy Bill, I hope you are right about a 2008 victory possibility. Unless the D's mess up, i don't see it.

that sums it up
In Ohio we just passed a nasty little minimum wage bill with the added provision that payrolls, where we worked, and where you've lived now become public information. Cleveland alone elected Ted Strickland and now we are faced with a state legislature that is no longer conservative; well, it really was a RINO legislature before. Toss in the unenforcable smoking ban and Ohio has now become a blue state.

Dr. Sowell, however, was proven right in Cincinnati. The Republican that was tossed, Sen. Mike Dewine, was the clown responsible for helping the Dems block judicial nominees. Otherwise, the Republicans did quite well there, especially if they were true conservatives: Steve Chabot. Again, primaries are the time to hammer RINOs not general elections.

That said, I think if the Republicans do some soul searching and return to being true conservatives then 2008 will be a slam dunk victory.

One last thing to any Ohioans or anyone else who has recently had to deal with a minimum wage hike: do you think that people will get it that prices go up from minimum wage hikes when the Wendy's junior bacon cheeseburger goes from 99 cents to $1.29 again? It made a lot of people quite angry last time and any business hit hard from this wage increase should publicly announce that price increases are the direct result from this minimum wage hike.
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