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Thursday, August 24, 2006
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Left and crime: Part II
by Thomas Sowell
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Do higher rates of imprisonment reduce crime? Is crime a result of poverty, unemployment, and the like? Are alternatives to incarceration more effective in preventing criminals from repeating their crimes?

Some people would hesitate to try to answer any of these questions before going through a lot of hard evidence and thinking it over very carefully.

But many on the left can answer immediately because they know what answers are already in vogue on the left -- and that the only reason others don't accept those answers is because they are behind the times or just hard-hearted people who want to punish.

It is one thing to believe that policy A is better than policy B. It is something very different to believe that those who believe in policy A are wiser, more compassionate, and generally more worthy human beings than those who believe in policy B.

Turning the empirical question of the results of policy A versus the results of policy B into the more personal question of a wonderful Us versus a terrible Them makes it harder to retreat if the facts do not bear out the belief.

If the choice between policy A and policy B is regarded as a badge of personal merit, either morally or intellectually, then it is a devastating risk to one's sense of self to make empirical evidence the ultimate test.

Not only in the United States, but in other countries as well, the political left has held steadfastly to its assumptions and beliefs about crime for at least two centuries, not only in the absence of hard evidence but in defiance of two centuries' accumulation of evidence to the contrary, from countries around the world.

Where the dominance of the left is greatest -- in the media and in academia, for example -- facts to the contrary are seldom heard.

The futility of imprisonment, for example, is a dogma on the left. It does no good to point out that crime rates in both Britain and the United States soared during the decade of the 1960s when poverty rates were going down -- and imprisonment rates were also going down.

It does no good to point out that soaring crime rates in the United States began to turn down only after the declining rate of imprisonment was halted and reversed, leading to a rising prison population much deplored by liberals.

It does no good to point out that Singapore's imprisonment rate is more than double that of Canada -- and its crime rate less than one-tenth the Canadian crime rate. Many in the west were appalled to discover some years ago, that an American first offender in Singapore was sentenced to corporal punishment.

Few of the indignant critics bothered to consider the possibility that this might be a way to prevent the young man from becoming a second offender -- and perhaps saving him from a worse fate later on if he continued to disregard laws.

Self-defense against criminals is anathema to the left in both Britain and the United States but in Britain the left has greater predominance. Britons who have caught burglars in their homes and held them at gunpoint until the police arrived have found themselves charged with a crime -- even when it was only a toy gun.

Given the prevailing view in the British criminal justice system that burglary is a "minor" offense and the fierce hostility to guns, even toy guns, the homeowner is far more likely to end up behind bars than the burglar is.

The left's jihad against gun ownership by law-abiding citizens has produced a flood of distorted information. International comparisons almost invariably compare the United States with some country with stronger gun control laws and lower murder rates.

But, if facts really mattered, you could just as easily compare the United States to countries with stronger gun control laws and higher murder rates -- Brazil and Russia, for example.

You could compare the United States with countries with more widespread gun ownership -- Switzerland and Israel, for example -- and lower murder rates. But that's only if facts are regarded as more important than the dogmas of the left.

Millions of crime victims pay the price of the left's illusions about crime -- and about themselves.

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Well said Dr. Sowell
It seems there is no end to the depth of Liberal ignorance!

This article illustrates
the MOST frustrating traits that those on the Left are almost universally prone to.

2.Forming rock-hard opinions with not facts to back them up and often despite all evidence to the contrary.

3. Holding on to those beliefs relentlessly in the face of evidence that plainly proves them wrong, and then

4.Reaching the amazing conclusion that said beliefs prove them "wiser, more compassionate, and generally more worthy human beings" and that any that disagree must therefore be mean-spirited, small-minded provincial mental midgets.

But none of those hold a candle to trait #1:
HYPOCRISY

Goshawk
Ignorance is right!

A few months ago, James Taranto made light of their idiocy in WSJ's "best of the web" after the NYT published another "Prisons fuller than ever despite declining crime rates" story. He wrote something like, "I don't get it. My personal intoxication level continues to rise despite the sinking level of alcohol in the vodka bottle."

There is no fact a leftist isn't willing to overlook if it interferes with their distorted view.

Wingo
LOL..Good comparison!

Crime and Punishment
Another excellent article by Dr. Sowell. The left will always ignore facts. If poverty causes crime, the crime rate should have peaked during the Great Depression. It did not. If poverty causes crime, affluence should cause no crime. One doesn't need to look very far to disprove that. As to punishment - free societies are based on respect for the law and respect for other individuals rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Criminals choose not to respect those laws. If criminals can muster no respect, we must teach them fear. They will continue to disrespect laws until they fear the consequences more than they enjoy the benefits of their crimes. My parents used to control me by explaining that repetition of a certain action was going to get my backside paddled. They never threatened idly. So I learned at an early age that if I felt the need to have my backside whacked, the actions required for that were clearly delineated. And I had a decision to make. Was the action I wanted to pursue in defiance of prescribed guidelines of more value to me than the attendant punishment? My parents always left that decision to me but the parameters were always clear. No time off for good behavior, no clemency, no plea bargains. As I grew older and wiser, I came to respect the law for its own sake but prior to that wisdom, fear of the consequences kept me between the lines, so to speak. Our justice system could learn a lot from my parents and the millions of parents just like them. And bear in mind, there was never a day in my life that I doubte that my parents loved me and they always took very good care of my siblings and me. But we all grew up to respect the law.

And if all else fails in arguing with a liberal, they cannot deny the fact that capital punishment reduces the recidivism rate.

Try this
Next time you see a mug shot of some low life creep on tv because he's been arrested for viciously beating an old man, or robbing a convenience store, imagine him saying "If I had a job, I wouldn't be doing this." and try not to laugh.

Right Again, Dr.
And so are previous posters. The people who believe dedicated criminals will respond to "nice" are the very same ones who believe dedicated terrorists will respond to diplomacy. In the long run, these dedicated idiots are the real threat to this country. Maybe we are talking about caning the wrong people...

The facts
The problem that I ecounter when arguing is not that the left have too few facts but an abundance. The problem is that the "left's" models do not correspond with the total data, only with individually selected pieces. It's not the little quarks and unusual entries that matter, it's the overall observation. People 'up the economic thermometer' (socialists) as I like to say, believe that man is interested more in the success of his community. While this may be an opptimistic view, it certainly is contradicted by there own antagonism of the 'right' as well as by a wealth of historical and current information.

Try it you'll like it
As a young adult convicted of a felony I learned the hard way that crime doesn't pay. The lessons I learned after spending almost three years in prison have kept me on the straight and narrow for the last forty years. As a result I have become a strong conservative and a law abiding citizen as well as running a successful business. That was then. In my case the justice system did what it was intended to do. I realize that it doesn't work out that way for everyone but prison time does work to lower crime and there are no two ways about it.

Crime and the left
Dr. Soweell thank you once again for saying what needs to be said. The difference between Dr. Sowell and those that he is writing about is that Dr. Sowell beleves is objective truth. The truth can be known if one is willing to work to find it. For the left the truth is not something that is universaly the same always and everywhere. It is bound up with all sorts of variables that must be taken into acount. Such as; economics, he was poor therefore we can't hold him accountable for his actions even if those actions hurt an innocent person. When there is no longer objective truth and objective moral standards all of soceity loses. Keep fighting the good fight!!!

johhnyZTS: good post
Glad you made it back into society.

Thank you for that first-hand account.

the left and crime
We should give all kids millions of dollars at birth. There are very few rich people in jail,so it's obvious that rich people commit very few crimes. They are also from a better social class, so again, it's doubtful that they would be criminals.

And while we're at it, we should fill their heads with so called conservative (really no such
thing as an American conservative) thought, because there are no illusionist in jail either.

Any resistance to these plans should be met with the usual rightwing solution, kill em all.

Kill them, kill them, kill them, and then kill them again.

PS. Make sure you kill them in the name of Jesus
as God is also rightwing and in this He will be well pleased.

Self-protection
At the risk of sounding like a "GUN NUT" I submit the following comments for consideration.

There is plenty of evidence that in jurisdictions where gun restrictions are severe there are high levels of crime. It make little difference if it's foreign or domestic, city, state or national the scenario is the same. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to question the logic of those that support restriction of private individuals from firearm possession. Having said that, owning and carrying a firearm is an awesome responsibility that cannot be overlooked. That responsibly extends to law enforcement officers (LEOs) and private citizens equally. The source of your income has no bearing on your judgment, your morals or your ability to reason. A private citizen must clear a background check, similar to the check for applicants to positions in law enforcement ,to obtain a concealed carry weapon (CCW) permit. They must demonstrate a level of proficiency in using the weapon and should follow a regular pattern of maintain that proficiency. One other point is there is no larger percentage of private citizens with CCW permits than LEOs that abuse their right to be armed.

My question is would the events of 9/11 been different, perhaps non-existent, if CCW permits were common? How would the terrorist's plans been altered by the possibility that one or more of the passengers on the aircraft involved might be armed? One could argue that even if there were some armed non-LEOs passengers the outcome of 9/11 would have, at best, been averted and, at worst, no different.

In most jurisdictions that issue CCW permits there are limits to where the permit is valid. The most prevalent locations are government buildings, school property and airports. Recognizing that law enforcement cannot be everywhere is there any logic to restricting those that have cleared a background check and demonstrated proficiency with a firearm. I would be thankful if an armed non-LEO was able to control or prevent a “Colimbine” like event at my grandkid's school.

Even though I hold CCW permits in 35 states I have no interest in enforcing laws. The primary goal is self-protection not authority, secondarily protection of others unable to protect themselves. My 75th birthday is very near, carrying a firearm is my way of leveling the playing field in the absence of law enforcement. The fact is that when traveling into jurisdictions where my CCW permits are not valid, i.e. California, Massachusetts, New York or Washington D.C., the law disarms me and puts me in jeopardy. I take the implication that my being armed would create a threat to society as an insult. This is particularly true when the incompetent authorities in these jurisdictions have no control over the gang violence, drug dealing and muggings that they are chartered to control.

Perhaps the background checks should be more stringent and the proficiency requirements more extensive to qualify private citizens for a CCW permit. Establishing a series of levels like those in other areas of licensing may make some sense. I, for one, am fed up with the attitude that individuals are created to serve government and that government only serves to expand government.

always Right - wrong as usual
It's about personal responsibility. Most people, at some point must take responsibility and accept the consequences for his or her own actions. It can be voluntary or court mandated, but it does come eventually.

For me it came fairly early. I grew up poor. I was arrested on multiple occasions as a teenager. My siblings have had all sorts of problems in adulthood(sex/drug/alcohol addictions, eating disorders, multiple divorces, homelessness, jail time) that I have managed to avoid because I chose a path to a cleaner life before I turned 18. Most of them have managed to turn it around with no aid from government social programs. Some are still struggling.

The difference between you and me is that I believe in people. I believe in the strength of the human will. Though anecdotal, I have my own life as evidence that people can rise above their challenges and succeed.

You, obviously, hold no such belief. You prefer to believe in the worst in people and hold fast to the notion that the government alone has the ability to lift people.

Never mind that every social program instituted has, in most cases, had the exact opposite effect. Poverty skyrocketed in the wake of LBJ's "war on poverty." It's been 40 years and the dems have yet to reveal an exit strategy from that quagmire. And why should they? They now have an entire class of people the government is paying to remain poor. And any talk of withholding their checks is used as a ploy to keep them voting for the donkey party.

Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime. Spoon feed a man for his whole life, he learns to sit around and wait for the spoon.

side note on corperal ...
punishment in Singapore. The teen who was "caned" got off VERY light due to the intense and negative publicity surrounding it. Witnesses at the international high school said several teens were "questioned" about the vandalism pray painting incident. One teen was reportedly beaten about the head and suffered punctured eardrums during the questioning.
I have read an account from a British SAS operative who got involved in a bar scuffle in Singapore and was caned. His buttocks were split open all the way to the pelvic bone and he was hospitalized for six months.
I support being tough on crime and locking people up, especially violent criminals and sexual predators.(Assuming they live long enough to get to court? I especially support victems fighting back. A dead criminal bothers nobody!) I can even think of a few who deserve to be caned. I don't think we want to end up like Singapore, where you can be beaten nearly to death for a minor bar fight. Going overboard on justice becomes self defeating, because it isn't justice anymore. You end up with Roman style sadism.

Nice try
"always Right writes: Thursday, August, 24, 2006 11:06 AM
the left and crime
We should give all kids millions of dollars at birth. There are very few rich people in jail,so it's obvious that rich people commit very few crimes. They are also from a better social class, so again, it's doubtful that they would be criminals."

Yeah, we tried that with hip hop stars. Didn't work. They still committed crimes.


Spoon feeding
Wingo,
Thank you. You proved my point. Your first mistake was being born poor. Did you ever have any filthy rich cell-mates?

Rich/upper class folks are born good. When ever a rich kid is arrested, the story always states that this was a good kid misled, usually by some lower class (probably black/Hispanic or illegal)bum.

Money leads to salvation. You're lucky you escaped death from the hands of some of these pistol packing citizens on this board. As you're now a rich guy your children are now safe.

The Singapore Caning...
was brought up one time in a Poli (liberal) Sci class I was taking a few years back. The prof asked what we thought, and I said "I bet the kid never vandalizes anything again". There were some younger folks in the class that looked at me as if I was evil incarnate. Yes, the compassionate students would have likely caned me for nothing, given the chance.

I don't think we need to cane people in the USA, but at least punishing them would fix a lot of things. Except for the pedophiles.. cane them all you want.

Always right:
Great posts.
Yes, we're all a bunch of pistol packing savages that go out on the offensive looking for criminals. Wingo didn't escape death from us, he simply didn't go looking for it.

Liberals seem to be confused by that. It's never the criminals fault, which is the fundamental thesis behind Dr. Sowell's column.

For the record, I've yet to see a self hating liberal post a sign on their door inviting criminals into their homes. Do you have one, Always Right?


Money Leads to Salvation
Famous last words.


Last Words
Double D's,

Liberals are criminals, so no need for the sign.

And I may be many things but a liberal is not one of them.

Don't follow Marx or Hayek

Spanking works wonders for children
NOT BEATINGS.

I propose the stocks. It adds humiliation to the mix and might work wonders for those teens that are running rampant all over. And has the added bonus of making them sit still.

I also agree with 'public service' like cleaning the side of the road. HOWEVER, I think the "perps" should have their names printed on the back of their shirts/jackets. This punishment is only for non violent first offenders.

Caning is good for all offenders of children. (This is a brutal beating, as it should be for one who harms a child.)

Multiple murders should be executed as soon after sentencing as possible - like the next day. Swift and sure punishment. No looking back.

Any killing, by a citizen of anyone who harmed another through severe abuse, rape or any attempted murder should be commended with a plaque of commendation.

WILLING TO BET
That all those who would like to see the second amendment revoked go to bed every night with a firearm close by, especially the lame Judges who continue to release known repeat sex offenders back into society. Judges who have a history of such practices should be held accountable and arrested for aiding and abetting criminal activities, let this happen a few times and I bet you would see a drop in the number of Judges who pretend that they are on a fishing trip and run their courts with the catch and release program in mind. Visit http://www.headsneedtoroll.org and express your views and opinions.
Heads Need To Roll

The Left and Crime
Let's not forget that to a dedicated Socialist/Communist, there is no such thing as private property. If the "only" crime committed is breaking into your house, stealing your jewelry, and then burning your house to the ground, no crime was committed. None of the stuff was yours, anyway.
This is abundantly demonstrated by the actions of the Environmental Liberation Front, and other Enviro-Terrorists. Unless they "offend" some identifiable, approved, or sanctioned "Community" they can do no harm. Unless they violate some "right" as defined by the left, they can do no foul. And no, owning a gun is not a "right" as defined by the left. For G*d's sake, you may use it against a member of the state! (As was the intent of the founders)

Huzzah!
Now that I've been declared rich by a complete stranger, maybe my wife will let me quit 2 of my jobs! Apparently I have a different measure of measuring sucess than always Right.

Nobody is claiming the poor should be punished for their indigence. The claim is that criminals should be punished FOR THEIR CRIMES.

Poverty is not a crime. Killing your poor neighbors so you can get their TV is - regardless of your socio-economic status.

Crime and Punishment
As usual Dr. Sowell is right.

I would recommend reading a couple of books by a Robert Heinlein and judging the merits of those imagined societies. One is "Starship Troopers" and the other is "Beyond This Horizon".

One stated that all free citizens go armed and had the right of self-defense.

The other talked about corporal punishment for offenders. 10 lashes for drunk driving, etc.

Both books are extremely thought provoking.

always Right
"Any resistance to these plans should be met with the usual rightwing solution, kill em all.

Kill them, kill them, kill them, and then kill them again.

PS. Make sure you kill them in the name of Jesus
as God is also rightwing and in this He will be well pleased."

Oh man, that was tight! Right-wingers are such dumb yokels and hicks! You really skewered them with your superior compassion and intelligence! Keep it up, you're the man now, dawg!

crime
The left has a point but, they don't stress it enough.

One night while taking a person to jail, for a weak case, (attempted burglary and no confession) I thought about this man who had spent half his life in prison for attempted murder, robbery, interstate transportation of stolen property, etc. I wasn't what I wanted to say would be well recieved. He was Black and I was White. But, I gave it a shot.

I told him I didn't know why he did what he did because I hadn't had to live his life. But, I said I believe there are times when you feel you are all alone and nobody cares about you or what happens to you. I said, "I'm not a very good Christian but I believe very strongly in God and if you ask Him, He will be in the jail cell with you that I am taking you to. He won't keep you from going to jail if you do something wrong but He will be there with you if you want Him to be. He will love you even if the rest of the world doesn't."

I told him he would probably be released since he was smart enough not to give a confession and the evidence was weak. I said that was fine because that was the job of the Court to not issue warrants when there wasn't enough evidence. I told him that if he was in our town (near St. Louis where he was from), I would try to help him if he was in trouble but asked that he not break the law.

The next morning he was released. When he came to the impoundment lot for his car, he looked over at me and here he came. He didn't say anything the night before but appeared to have something to say now. He walked up to me and look down at me with his extra 6" of height and extra hundred pounds and looked me right in the eye.

He said, "I never met a police officer like you before and I just wanted to tell you that I listened to what you said last night. I didn't say anything but I listened." He then shook my hand turned and left my life and that was the end of the string of burglaries we were having.

Did he stop doing crimes? I don't know but, he stopped doing them in the town I worked in. I thought about what he said and wondered, why am I the first police officer he has met that treated him like I did? Half his life in prison and in contact with police and I was the first?

When we incarcerate people, which I support, we don't isolate them from crime. Crime is rampant in prison, respect as human beings lacking. Having had the "luck" to reduce crime 75% by treating people with respect as well as, arresting them, I believe our prisons need total reform. Not more TV and better food or more weight lifting equipment or adult magazines but education, work, and little recreation beyond work (five days a week).

Our sheriff Joe Arpaio uses a "tent city" in the desert to keep from having overcrowded jails and many people are more concerned about the prisoners than the victims created by those prisoners. But real concern for victims means turning those prisoners around with education and teaching them skills and personal responsibility while incarcerated, not "giving them more free time." We don't help when we don't prevent prison rape, blackmarket goods, same sex partnerships, gangs, running external crime operations from prison, bribing guards, refusing work, demanding adult material, etc.

When a person goes to prison, it is because they have surrendered their right to freedom and the rights of many things "free" responsibly people enjoy. The goal is not just removal from society and a continuation of all other rights, but a limiting of rights until they earn them back through "reform." Learning skills, being productive, avoiding prison crime participation, etc. should earn them a cell in a more "liberal" part of the prison and violations send them back into a more restrictive area until they prove again they are ready for more liberty.

During the 2004 election a poll was conducted of inmates. 70% of convicted felons said they would vote democratic if they were allowed to vote. The democrats are fighting in several states to overturn the loss of voting privilages for convicted felons. I wonder why? Who is a criminal's best friend? A socialist who feels criminals are only criminals because they are "victims" of the "religious right" or "conservatives," or "Republican policies" is their best friend. So why not vote for them.

Yet, remember, there is a grain of truth in what socialists "hate." They are human beings and often we don't do what is necessary to help them. One reason our crime rate dropped 75% is not because I was so good at catching adult criminals but because I was good at catching juveniles who make more mistakes and leave more evidence that can be used. Yet, most of them were single arrest situations. One time of being caught, treated with respect, involving parents, the juvenile court, probation, frequent follow up, friendly contact by me with them, ecouraging them to get an eduation, reminding them I had made the same mistakes, etc. works.

I used to tell them, "I know you are smart because look how hard it was for me to catch you." No sense telling them it wasn't that hard because I want them to believe they will be caught no matter "how smart" they are. I would tell them that because they were smart, "with an education you can be anything in the world you want to be.

Hokey? You bet. "Andy of Mayberry?" Maybe, but it was hard to argue with the 75% reduction in crime in just 3 1/2 years. We went from 1 to 2 burglaries a night to 1 or 2 a month and most of those were from people who didn't live in our town.

A compassionage conservative is a real person but they are often not understood. We didn't spend more more than any other police department, didn't have any more laws, didn't let people "slide" for offenses, but did treat people with respect and practice "tough love." I staked out the schools and got "skipping" cut almost to zero with kids that "walked away" after they got to school and turned them over to their parents who often had to leave work to come and pick them up at the station. No charges, but the inconvenience of having to come and get their child from the police.

I seldom had a parent get mad because I "worked with the parent" to help their child be a good citizen. I didn't put their child down, I praised them for being a good kid, smart, and with a lot of potential who had made a mistake like we all did when young. Reminding a parent that they did "wrong things" when they were young often diffused a volitile situation where they got mad at their kid for "doing somthing stupid."

Even when I referred the child to court, I told the parent, "I'll be the bad guy and send you child to court. I want you to be there for them to lean on as they go through this." I would then ask them, "You do love him, don't you?" That would make them think and not overreact if there was any love in the home at all. Sadly in a few cases there wasn't and sometimes I became the "father figure" and they would talk to me about the problems in life they were having. The courts were and still are reluctant to take a child out of even a "bad home."

But, spending more federal money will do nothing. It takes one-on-one "love" and "caring" to turn a person around and that doesn't happen with money. It only happens with individuals who understand personal responsibility and our society is moving even further away from that with secular humanism.

To Old Man
Old Man, can we clone you?? Wow - we need a LOT more human beings like you in the world. Wisdom and common sense - and tough love.

Keep it up. (Now if I could just follow your example with my grandkids...!!)

alwaysRight: Wrong again, as seems usual
Your post of August, 24, 2006 11:07 AM was bizarre. An attempt at satire or humor, perhaps?

Jonathan Swift you ain't.


Jack: You wrote...
... "at the risk of sounding like a gun nut..."

Well, bro, no risk there. I'll proudly proclaim that I am a gun nut. What originally got me interested in political activism was the debate over the Gun Control Act of 1968, when I was in college, and it's one of the issues that keeps me engaged.

Don't apologize! Stand proud! We're right!

As a matter of fact, I've been writing for the last couple of weeks a variant on your observations: The BrianR Method for speeding up the time you stand in the line at the airport.

At the departure end, you step up and are issued a Glock, which you turn in at your arrival end. No bag check, stripping down, taking your computer out of the bag... no nothing. Get your gun, turn it back in later.

Do you think ole Hassan is going to try anything knowing that the second he does he'll be looking down the business end of 200+ Glocks?

Old Man,
Awesome post. Thought provoking. You seem to have been the right man with the right strategy. How do think that would work in a big city and do you think anyone could be trained to police like you did, or does it take a certain type of person?

Crime and Liberalism
The bottom line is that Liberalism is a religion. As such, no facts are necessary either to support its dogma or to falsify contrary positions. They "know" what the "truth" is and do not want to be "confused" by the facts.

Great Column, Dr. Sowell !!!
Dr. Sowell was how I found TownHall in the first place. I had recalled his name from way back when I still read newspapers (before their liberal bias overwhelmed me) and entered 'Sowell' as a Yahoo! search argument. TownHall was the first hit and I've been here on a daily basis ever since.

BTW: Anybody else notice the absence here of the usual liberals trashing a conservative writer?

Jennings and Cass Flummoxed by More in P

‘Even Though’ Crime Down

“Peter Jennings seemed baffled by two simultaneous trends: The number of people in prison is rising as the crime rate is falling.

Picking up on how the Justice Department reported that the ‘prison population grew 2.9 percent last year to nearly 2.1 million,’ putting one out of every 75 American men behind bars, a flummoxed Jennings complained: ‘The number went up even though the crime rate continued to fall.

“‘Even though’?

“A Thursday (May 27, 2004) AP dispatch by Connie Cass struck a similar disconnected note: ‘The inmate population continued its rise despite a fall in the crime rate and many states' efforts to reduce some sentences, especially for low-level drug offenders.’

“But Cass also allowed Attorney General John Ashcroft to explain the obvious: ‘'It is no accident that violent crime is at a 30-year low while prison population is up,’ Ashcroft said. 'Violent and recidivist criminals are getting tough sentences while law-abiding Americans are enjoying unprecedented safety.’”


Source: Media Research Center, May 28, 2004

Crime and Punishment
Punishment deters crime. Who says so? Criminals.

Severity of punishment is less important than how likely one is to be caught and punished. In actual fact, severity of punishment will promote crime. How, one asks. If punishment is too severe, Judges and Juries will hesitate. How to strike the proper balance I do not know.

A Judge who was 'easy' on drunk drivers had a relative killed by one. He went overboard on punishment and got himself removed from office.

Today an individual can be 'busted' many times before actually seeing court. Can show up in court several times before receiving punishment. I do not want severe penalities early, but the high odds of a 'public' price to pay, early in his career.

training police
Cynewulf writes:

Old Man,
How do think that would work in a big city and do you think anyone could be trained to police like you did, or does it take a certain type of person?

It takes careful screening, a lot of training and discipline and "neighborhood" police that work the same area daily and know most of the "street kids" in the area. It requires a lot of "observation" and not much patrol. Rooftops that overlook a large area and radio contact with officers on the street (on foot for the actual encounter since the "offenders" watch the street for patrol cars) The majority of my arrests were on foot walking up behind the person and using shadows, buildings, or anything I could use to approach unseen. Often they were so busy watching the street, I could walk up behind them and never be seen.

But, you have to want to help the "offender" and not just arrest him. The goal is to deter any future offenses and that takes a firm but respectful communication process. It also means you talk to people when they aren't being arrested but just "passing by."

LEAP
Old Man,
Great post! We have a huge crime problem & have had many cases of police corruption (murder, drug dealing, etc.) & police brutality where I live. The police are trying to get the neighborhoods to work with them, but these are the same people who have had protests on the police dept. steps over inmates who were beaten to death at the jail or during arrest. People are just as scared of the police here as they are of the neighborhood thugs -- as least you know which ones they are!
Have you ever heard of LEAP? http://leap.cc/
These are also compassionate cops & judges, etc. Don't get me wrong; I know that the "bad cops" are in the minority, but that is not the perception when there are dozens of cases (not all substantiated, but certainly in the news) every year locally.
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