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Friday, July 07, 2006
Thomas Sowell :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is patriotism obsolete?
by Thomas Sowell
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On the eve of a holiday that used to stir patriotic emotions -- the Fourth of July -- it has been painful to see examples of how little remains of that glue that holds a society together.

Perhaps the worst of these signs of national disintegration was the New York Times' recent revealing to the whole world the covert methods by which the American government has been tracking the money that finances international terrorism.

The usual excuses about "the public's right to know" ring even more hollow than usual in this case. The public was not dying to know the methods by which their lives were being safeguarded. Only the terrorists were helped by these revelations.

Americans may in fact be dying literally now because of what the terrorists have been told -- and ultimately because a jerk inherited the New York Times. As usual, the mainstream media circled the wagons around one of their own. The media spin is that the terrorists were already bound to know that we were monitoring their international transfers of money. The Times says terrorists had to "suspect" this.

This is an all-or-nothing argument. There are vast numbers of terrorists around the world and not all of them are affiliated with the same organizations. Nor is there any reason to believe that they all have the same level of knowledge or sophistication.

Whatever knowledge or suspicions some of the terrorist leaders may have had about American surveillance of the money transfers that finance their operations, that does not mean that all the terrorists knew about all the methods or about all the countries that were cooperating to track them down by their money trails.

After all, so many of these terrorists would not have been captured or killed if they were infallible.

The media may not publicize the casualties we inflict on the terrorists but they are vastly greater than the casualties that terrorists inflict on Americans, even though too many in the media focus almost exclusively on the latter.

Not only do the terrorists now know how they are being tracked, some of the countries that have secretly helped in that tracking may now back off from helping, now that the New York Times' revelations can create internal political problems or fear of terrorist retaliation in those countries.

The all-or-nothing idea that secrets are either secret from everybody or secret from nobody will not stand up under scrutiny. Back during World War II, the Chicago Tribune made the devastating revelation that the United States had broken the Japanese code and could read their military plans in advance.

This was an enormously important secret, especially during the early days of the war, when Japan had overwhelming naval superiority in the Pacific and was seeking to destroy the remnants of the American Pacific fleet that had not already been destroyed in the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Fortunately for this country, the Japanese did not read the Chicago Tribune or did not believe it. In other words, the secret was out, but it was not out very far. There are degrees of secrecy, as with everything else.

New York Times has spread the secret of American financial surveillance of terrorists around the world, undermining or destroying this method of tracking them, as well as undermining the cooperation that can be expected in the future from countries fearful of political or terrorist repercussions.

Patriotism is not chic in the circles of those who assume the role of citizens of the world, whether they are discussing immigration or giving aid and comfort to the enemy in wartime.

The decline and fall of the Roman Empire was as much due to the internal disintegration of the ties that bind a society together as to the assaults of the Romans' external enemies.

The pride of being a Roman citizen was destroyed by cheapening that citizenship by giving it to too many other people. The sense of duty and loyalty eroded among both the elites and the masses.

Without such things, there could be no Roman Empire. Ultimately, without such things, there can be no United States of America. In neither case have tangible wealth and power been enough to save a country or a civilization, for the tangibles do not work without the intangibles.

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Another great one ...

from Dr. Sowell!

Chris
http://amateureconblog.blogspot.com/

The revolutionary spirt is gone
230 years ago, a few great men put everything on the line to create this country. Many of them were quite comfortable, materialistically, under George III and could have merely talked of their philosophical differences. However, they acted and here we are.
Today, we are greatest nation in history. However, how long can we draw on the capital created by our forefathers.
We talk of having medical care provided universally, while we sue the drug companies and doctors for providing it. We complain about the price of oil, but won't allow drilling in the barren wastelands of the Arctic. We know the country is destined to go broke paying for the 20 years of retirement and medical care, but we expect the programs to be "fixed" without being changed.
The patriots put everything on the line and in many cases lost it, in order that we may be a country of free men. We have spent most of the last 100 years creating a govenment which will doom our children to servitude.

It's akin to the public's right to know
The locations and deployment orders of our nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines at any given moment.

In other words: it doesn't exist.

The decline and fall of the Roman Empire
The decline and fall of the Roman Empire was not due to “cheapening that [Roman] citizenship by giving it to too many other people. The sense of duty and loyalty eroded among both the elites and the masses.” nor to “the internal disintegration of the ties that bind a society together.” It was due to the leadership not being up to the ever increasing challenges and pressures created by conquering and controlling increasing amounts of territories and countries. Furthermore, it has little or no bearing on today’s situation.

Patriotism
Dr. Sowell's common sense is refreshing. He says exactly what he thinks, without regard as to whether it is "politically correct" or not. I agree 100% with what Dr. Sowell says in this column.

The left wants us to lose
Just another example of the left in this country working against us. Are they so blinded by ideology that they want us to lose? Why would they give out information to our enemies who would gladly use it against us? Have they so soon forgotten the attacks on 9/11? I guess leftists have short memories because the enemy will gladly kill all Americans, including those leftists that help them. It must really be sad to hate a president so much that you would sell out your own country just to make him look bad.

Uncle Tom Sewell joins the nyt boo choir
I'm starting to believe the RNC e-mailed this article of talking points around to every right wing conservative pundit in America. In the last week I know I have see or heard at least 24 versions of this same article.

I would like to ask a couple of very obvious questions to the critics of the NYT.

1. Prove that their publication of SWIFT program
was illegal or did any actual damage to
National security?

2. Can you please provide any examples to back
your contentions

Classic Left Angle
I must respond to "Left Angle's" comment above. First if she had ever read any Thomas Sowell she would know that he does not get RNC talking points. Furthermore her challenge to those who decry the NYT's actions:

1. Prove that their publication of SWIFT program
was illegal or did any actual damage to
National security?

2. Can you please provide any examples to back
your contentions

This is absurd. First the classic lawyerly "was it illegal". That of course is the fallback for those participating in any morally reprehesible behavior. Then did it cause any damage (with examples no less). So, to use another postings example, if the NYT publishes the "The locations and deployment orders of our nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines at any given moment" we could only decide that that was treasonous if subsequently all of our submarines were attacked and destroyed.

I don't think that the left wants the destruction of the United States, but they are so hungry for power (and satiation of their egos), and just generally apathetic about the status of our nation (or the population in general) that they are willing to stomach, and indeed defend treason to reach their ends.

Patriotism
Thomas Sowell contributes another rubber-stamp diatribe to conservative hysteria. The New York Times, he says, "has spread the secret of American financial surveillance of terrorists around the world, undermining or destroying this method of tracking them."
As usual the culprit according to Sowell is the dastardly left-learning "media," which delights in reporting - and even abetting - terrorist attacks, while ignoring or minimizing the heroic accomplishments of George Bush and his minions.
The problem with this simplistic right wing claptrap is that there's never any substantiating evidence. Everything's hypotetical: Americans "may be" dying at this moment because of the Times article, Sowell declares breathlessly. Some of the countries that have cooperated in clandestine surveillance "may now back off from helping," he warns.
Just once it would be interesting to see some facts to back up these apocalyptic pronouncements. If the Times has ruined the chances of capturing or thwarting terrorists using the SWIFT database, then why don't the Bushies tell us clearly and unequivocally what its accomplishments actually were, when it was operational.
As usual, they don't. We're supposed to take it all on faith. Meanwhile here's what we do know. Cheered on by the likes of Thomas Sowell, the right of each and every one of us "to be secure in [our] persons, houses, papers, and effects" has been repeatedly violated.
For my part, I'll take my privacy back, thank you very much, and you can keep your phony, trumped up security!

Actually, Gut:
Thanks for using part of my post. The reason I used the example of the nuclear submarines was to reinforce the point that the NY Treason, by publishing the fact that Belgium was the operative hub being utilised by the program, was in fact violating security laws. If they were to publish the deployment details of our sub fleet, they'd be subject to prosecution, as those orders are highly classified; the fact that we have such subs is not.

Just like the fact that SWIFT existed was public knowledge, while the details of the operation were not.

Great post, BTW, especially the part about LeftAngle sounding like a whiny leftist lawyer.

No Brainer
Well, they caught these guys in FL because they were able to track banking records. That alone is a refutation of the NYT's position that the terrorists already knew about the program. In case they didn't read the NYT, the MSM kerfuffle over this issue made sure that they now do know about the program.

how cynical
In the cynical world of ajhil, government is not to be trusted with too much information; a vague sense of "privacy" trumps honest efforts to protect us from savages. The demand for proof for necessary measures is so September 10. The next day we had all the proof we needed.

Please recall that barring the gift of blissful hindsight, we don't know the necessity of our preventive actions until we find something to prevent, and the best success stories will only be sketched vaguely to protect our preventive measures.

I beg to differ with those crying about "police state" policies; we're much more loose here than in the enlightened Western Europe. If you still feel that way, ask yourself: do you know anyone personally whose civil rights have been provably violated? If not, who is speaking hypothetically now?

What patriotism?
To me even more concerning are the number of small news papers that are panting right along in the footsteps of NYT. We already know that NYT is more concerned about "their" ideals than the welfare of our country, but when small town papers start supporting them, that is a big problem.

Obsolete patroitism
Very telling article. The media on the one hand wants us to know they are smarter and better connected to confidential sources and on the other that they are more compassionate then we "the masses". Otherwise why the out cry for these poor illegals who only want a better life.
The better life won't come if they do not become a part of the society that is capable of fulfilling that dream.
However, if these illegals are part of a clandestine invading group our misplaced compassion is merely aiding and abetting in the failure of the American Dream.
Semper fi,
Jim Brown

LIBERAL LAP DOG NYT
PATRIOTISM IS DEAD ON THE LEFT. THERE MAY BE A FEW PATRIOTS LIKE LIBERMAN LEFT ON THE LEFT BUT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY AND THEIR FAR LEFT BASE OF SUPPORT CONTINE TO CROSS A LINE ON THE WAR ON TERROR. IS IT REALLY THEIR HATRED OF THE PRESIDENT OR SOMETHING MORE SINISTER IN THE MEDIA,THEIR SPOKESMEN FOR THE MOST PART?

The Times.
When a news source releases classified information that could harm US interests in the 'War on Terror' it should be punished. When it is not it it becomes stronger and the government weaker. I have no faith in the New York Times. I am sorry to say I have little faith in our Justice Department either. As usual politics have trumped common sense.
sezmesezyou@townhall.com

Is patriotism Obsolete?
Mike R. July 7, 2006 0945AM
The decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

MikeR. seems to be one of those people that can plunge ahead recklessly, pedal to the metal, with his eyes fixed squarely on his own rectum.
How can one possibly write what he did and not see the answers in his own words?
The decline and fall of the Roman Empire was not because of this and that it was because of the leaders who did not have balls, and did this and that. Duh!
Good public schooling for MikeR. that has to be the answer.
GW


NYT's "patriotism"
When The New York Times Publish, US soldiers may perish
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