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Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
How Senator Mikulski Slipped an Abortion Mandate into the Health Care Bill
by Terry Jeffrey
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At a committee hearing last week, Democratic Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland provided a classic example of a morally bankrupt legislator seeking to insidiously force Americans to cooperate with and fund an objectively evil cause.

On Thursday, July 9, the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee met to consider amendments to the legislation it is drafting to rearrange the entire U.S. health care system.

While chairing the hearing, Mikulski offered an obscurely worded, two-part amendment.

The first part required literally all health insurance companies in America to provide unspecified "preventive care and screenings" for "pregnant women and individuals of child-bearing age." The specific services involved would be determined later in guidelines approved by a federal agency called the Health Resources and Services Administration.

This part of the amendment said: "A group health plan and a health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall provide coverage for, and shall not impose any cost sharing requirements (other than minimal cost sharing in accordance with guidelines developed by the Secretary) for, with respect to women (including pregnant women and individuals of child bearing age), such additional preventive care and screenings not covered under section 2708 as provided for in guidelines supported by the Health Resources and Services Administration."

The second part of the amendment applied to health insurers participating in government-run insurance networks -- so-called "American Health Benefit Gateways" -- that the bill directs each state to create. These "gateways," consisting of a government-run insurance company plus "qualified" private insurance companies, would offer federally subsidized insurance to Americans earning less than 400 percent of the poverty level (currently $88,000 for a family of four).

In order to "qualify" to participate in these gateways, Mikulski's amendment said, the secretary of health and human services must certify that the insurer includes "within health insurance plan networks those essential community providers, where available, that serve predominantly low-income, medically underserved individuals, such as health care providers defined in section 340B(a)(4) of the Public Health Service Act and providers described in section 1927 (c) (1)(D)(i)(IV) of the Social Security Act as set forth by section 21 of Public Law 111-8."

Like many amendments offered in Congress these days, Mikulski's was intentionally opaque. It did not plainly state that insurance companies must cover "abortion" and that taxpayers must pay for the abortions of people making up to $88,000 per year who are participating in federally subsidized insurance plans.

But Mikulski was outed anyway.

When she brought her amendment up, an exceedingly polite and understated -- but nonetheless stunning -- colloquy ensued.

Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah quietly asked the necessary questions. Pointing to the language mandating that health insurers participating in government "gateways" must include "essential community providers," Hatch asked: "Would that include abortion providers? I mean it looks to me like you're expanding it to where you -- well, say for instance, like Planned Parenthood. Would that put them into this system?"

Mikulski was evasive.

"It would include women's health clinics that provide comprehensive services, and under the definition of a women's health clinic it would include Planned Parenthood clinics," said Mikulski. "It does not in any way expand a service. In other words, it doesn't expand, nor mandate an abortion service."

"No," said Hatch, "but it would provide for them."

"It would provide for any service deemed medically necessary or medically appropriate," said Mikulski.

In other words, "gateway" insurers would be required to cover Planned Parenthood services, which would include procedures deemed "medically appropriate," which would include abortions.

"Well, I would have a rough time supporting it on that basis," said Hatch. "But I just wanted to get that clarified."

At this point, Democratic Sen. Bob Casey Jr. of Pennsylvania had a go-around with Mikulski.

"You and I had a discussion about it," Casey said to Mikulski. "The way it is written -- and I don't believe this is the intent -- the way it is written, I believe it is too broad. And the way it could be interpreted down the road might include something like abortion. And I am concerned about that, the breadth of it and the scope of it. And for that reason I will oppose it."

To eliminate any ambiguity that Mikulski's amendment was intended to mandate abortion coverage in the proposed health-care reform, Hatch asked her a final question.

"Madame Chairman, would you be willing to put some language in that says, 'Not including abortion services'?" Hatch asked. "Then I think you would have more support."

Mikulski concluded a convoluted response by saying, "So, no, I would not be willing to do that at this time."

Mikulski's amendment passed.

On Monday, Hatch offered his own amendment in the committee to prohibit any funding of abortion through federally funded health insurance programs except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother. The amendment was defeated.

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Hurray for Hatch
Too bad his amendment failed, but what do you expect?

Elections, as we all know, have consequences. The people have spoken and the Dems are in charge. The people have obviously voted for government health care. Abortion is a perfectly legal procedure and would naturally be part of any government plan.

What about other elective procedures, like sex change operations? I suspect those will be covered too just as they are in CA prisons.

K.G
Where have you seen where the people obviously voted for government health care. In polls it doesn't seem that way.

ethnic cleansing BILL !

OBAMA CARE IS:::

A POPULATION CONTROL BILL, mandatory abortions,

kill the imperfect,

LET THE SENIORS all die ! (he calls them worthless)

mandatory assisted suicide

JUDGE GINSBERG stated that ROE V WADE bill was the democrats plan to "ETHNIC" cleanse the USA POPULATION and to use mandatory abortions as a form of population control.


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congressmen

HOME STATE OFFICES, early and often on every issue.

SHOW UP at their town hall meetings, petitions in hand!

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Begin the campaign NOW TO THROW THE BUMS ALL OUT:

What the public voted for
was "hope and change." We were all too busy to ask "hope for what?" and "change to what?" Now we have our answer: anything our leftie Kenyan-in-Chief wants it to mean. Unfortunately for many of those who supported our favorite Muslim, it means instituting changes that Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro have said would put the US to the left of their regimes. Happy trails ...

Mikulski is a Good Senator
Before she was a Senator, Barbara Mikulski was a City of Baltimore social worker. Doubtless she is more aware than most people of the health needs of the population. She has worked hard and well in Congress for the people of Maryland for about thirty years now, returned time after time by the folks she serves. It is vile to call her a "morally bankrupt legislator"---she is anything but that. Apparently there is no tolerance among right-wing zealots for anyone but other right-wing zealots. Look at the post to this thread of B2slim to see the craziness on the right. You people make stuff up and then believe it.

Duh

This is what Liberals do. Nobody should be surprised. There will be all kinds of provisions in the Healthcare bill that taxpayers won't find out about for a few years.

Opt Out
So how can I opt out of this if abortion is against my religious beliefs? Can I just refuse to pay a portion of my taxes??

Lilly
Ah the trolls are out.Yep she was a social worker. Notice nothing was said about her WORKing by the sweat of her brow like the average person. Just an other do gooders under Obama.yes she is morally bankrupt,not because she supports abortion but rather how she tried to hide here intentions

Barbara Milkulski
Was a political activist in the sixties and seventies in Baltimore. She has been your normal liberal political hack as she moved from state government to the Senate.

Unlike many she isn't outwardly on the take, but she is and always has been a extreme PROGRESSIVE left wing activist. To try and pass her off as some kind of great leader is silly. Her actions speak for themselves, she is the Barney Frank of yet another fascist blue only state, Maryland.

We have a Republican party but just barely and without any real competition these FACIST PROGRESSIVES eventually get to the point where they think they are the elites and the rest of us are just the fools.

hmmmmm
when ole Senator Barbara M. croaks i wonder if she say opps when she meets the Lord Jesus face to face?

Abortion is...
...the taking of a life by killing a child,and it isn't anything else,no matter how they dress it up in flowery words.Perhaps we can get some Liberals to support the death penalty for murderers if we simply call it a "very late term abortion".

This makes sense.

Given the population of Baltimore, I can understand why the Senator supports abortion.

Is funding abortion constitutional?
The Establishment Clause states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
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If my religion prohibits abortion how is using my tax money to fund abortion even constitutional?

The "free exercise" of my religion prohibits it.

Bork Obamacare
If you really want one of my former students in the fed. bureaucracy to decide whether you can see a doctor or not, then by all means, support Obamacare.

Otherwise, support outright grants or tax credits of $1600 that covers the average ER costs of the uninsured annually, which totals $86 billion and not $3 trillion, which is in longhand: $3,000,000,000,000.

Bork Sotomayor.

Sen.: 202-224/225-3121.

B2, you are right
Go to tea parties this Friday, the 17th, at your local office for Cong. reps. and Sens.

Stop Obamacare, stop *hate crimes* leg., stop King O Elect at every instance.

*Hate crimes* will stop your from saying you oppose homosexual *marriage,* Obamacare will force you to pay for (ins.) and participate in (if in the health field) abortions, krap and trade will raise your electricity bill $1

Excuse my computer
krap and trade will raise your electricity bill $1200 annually (Heritage Foundation) and plans to ruin both the coal industry and bankrupt power plants,

and the entire message is to communize the US and turn citizens into powerless comrades with lowered standards of living and no resouces to change their lives.

Bork them all.

Sen.: 202-24/225/-3121.

Any Time Lilly is On
I know the post will talk for anything that normal Americans are against. Lilly, why don't you move to Cuba, where you can take part in all the Commnunist stuff you want. You love it so much, maybe they would let you join the party. You are a fool and should stay off Townhall, which has no place for fools like you. Your opinions belong on Communist sites.

milkulski
I hope everyone who is against abortion in Maryland understands what their Senator has done and make sure she is voted out of office. I for one do not believe my tax dollars should pay anyone to "kill" an unborn child, whatever, the circumstances.

lilly
you are as big a moron as Mikulski.

Just like your messiah, she stammers under the weight of her lies. I'm glad that Sen. Hatch held her feet to the fire. She was stammering and knocking on her desk in her attempt to put a positive spin on her misguided and criminal amendment.

Liberats don't know all of the mechanics of this stupid healthcare bill with all of the unrelated pork spending included. The dumbocrud elite are seeking population control and you morons, especially you lilly with your supposedly ailing 84 year old husband, better wise up and vote against it or you may find one day that the government may decide that he's not worth the money to keep alive!

Health Care Bill
Rose Marie reply #19 You were right on .No Government should pay for abortions with our tax dollars. She doesn't deserve the office she holds and should be voted out . Pehaps if she were there to witness an abortion being performed she would change her mind set. Shame , shame, shame

Lilly
Seems to know a lot about just about everything,everyone,everywhere when it concerns being an apologist for the left. So what does that tell us? Leftist operative.

What Hatch really did was the same old

psychopathic ideological obstruction that is nearly universal among the Republican't members.

Not only are the Republican'ts trying to deny service to WOMEN, they are also trying to deny it to CHILDREN. Since the vast majority of service to women at Planned Parenthood is for preventive care to expectant mothers, in all stages of pregnancy and to child bearing women who need proper health care to become mothers, it is to their children that the benefits reach. Why then are millions of children not worthy of this care? Because they are poor, and not part of the big business of Republican't spin and manipulation.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/07/13/hatch-attacks -essential-services-lowincome-communities-under-health-care -reform

"The Republicans, using fear as a motivator, continue to mislead on essential health debates, at the cost of the health and lives of millions of Americans. As time goes on, it is increasingly clear that these tactics are used as a foil for denying millions of Americans, primarily women and children, the most basic of health care services."

The real issue here is how
the Republican'ts and the media that supports them can create a wedge issue to foment their obstruction of majority progress?

The ideologue manipulations are for political gain, and not as they purport, to show compassionate hard love to those who might do evil. I would prefer that abortions, as an elective were not done if no actual medical condition, incest, or rape existed.

However with the zeitgeist of Repulican't hooliganism so prevalent in all actions they take, I am very much in opposition to them.

Show a more level headed approach to actions, without the psychopathic ideologue manipulations and progress can be obtained. Otherwise expect unbridled opposition.

What next?
When will Mikulski realize that the law needs to pay for and demand abortion for all pregnancies conceived without a federally approved license that also removes children at birth from maternal care except by licensed professionals to avoid inferior upbringing that might endanger the child's psychological health.

Opposed To Abortion Funding
As a priest who personally opposes abortion, in a church, no not Roman Catholic, that also opposes abortion, there is no way I could support the Mikulski draft.

That's sad, because I do support universal health care, preferably run by private insurance companies with the poor and needy getting subsidies from the government.

Rick
I know this is a stretch for you but out here in the hinterlands there are some of us that think abortion is murder still. Now I realize to you we are all knuckle draggers but we pay taxes just like you and to make us a participant in Murder is morally repugnant to us.

BTW the media is really not in cohoots with anything conservative or religious.

The world according to Liberals

Only a Liberal would believe the taxpayers should spend a thousand dollars for an abortion because a young lady doesn't want to spend $1.00 for a condom.

How many morally bankrupt creepers
are now running our government. Get rid of all of the creepers no matter how nice they seem to be. I'm always hearing about how nice these politicians are. I don't care about phonies. We need to make sure we choose trustworthy people to represent us. Not population bomb, abortion rights activists Sierra Club, communist weirdos. Enough.

donal1951
Stop using the terminology universal healthcare. You are feeding them. Don't use their words. They define words differently than you. You want everyone to be able to afford healthcare. Meaning they pay for it themselves and the government is not involved period. Do you realize we are potentially handing over birth control to the government. They will be given the power to decide how many children will be allowed to live per household simply by refusing to pay for more than 2 children per household.

Such an position
It is too bad the author's mother didn't take her daughter's position!

Here's the embryonic stem cell scam
You can expect more of this junk when Obamacare passes:

According to col. Michael Kumneto in the NYPost today, most Embryonic Stem Cell research is a dead end--

1) experiments routinely are3rejected by patient's body and require heavy and expensive doses of immunosuppressive drugs that often lead to other medical complications,

2) "accepted" inserts often develop cancer,

3) some tumors are benign but can grow to baseball size and produce hair and teeth,

4) the media pushes ES over AS, although Adult Stem Cell research has been successful for decades in bone marrow transplants.

ASC research gets less money and anti-media coverage but is 100s of times more promising than ES. Adult stem cells usually come from the patient and so rejection is not a problem. ASC's growth is more controllable and unlikely to result in abnormal events like cancer. ASC are cheaper to work with, do not cost the lives of embryos, do not require "harvesting" after-births or placentas, and do not raise moral questions as ESC do.

Tremendous money is invested in ES, esp. a la states like NEW JERSEY, CA, and CT. CA last year put $3 million into ES, even though the state is bankrupt and 24 BILLION in debt. Michael Fox and the family of Christopher Reeve still promote ES as a cure for paralysis and disease like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, although no ES has ever shown any promise there.

Dr. Bernard Healy of our own fed. NIH says Embryonic Stem Cell research is decades away from success.

So who pushes this dead end? The abortion crowd that ever wants another reason for maintaining the status quo???

And who is more pro-abortion than even NARAL? Kng Elect O.

Bork Sotomayor.

Call the Sen.: 202-224/225-3121.

Rick the Stick
Big O's ec. popularity numbers just dropped to 51%, below his electoral vote (Gallup), so now he's in a minority position on the economy.

Krap and trade, "health care reform," card check for unions, and even GM/Chrysler re-org. are all designed to be huge job loss schemes and cost taxpayers enormous costs.

One idiot possibility for funding Obamacare is freezing Soc. Sec. COL's indefinitely.

That will take care of any seniors' support.

Bork Sotomaryor.

Sen.: 202-224/225-3121. Kill Obamacare.

obama, the kenyan, will

solve any race problems in the U.S.A. by agressively pursuing the abortions of black and hispanic babies.

He knows most abortion clinics are in minority neighborhoods. By using taxpayer monies to fund abortions, obama, the kenyan, believes he can raise the incidence of abortions of black babies from 34% to 75%. This will effectively solve any race problems by making the black minority so small, no one will be worried about their presence. Also, if obama, the kenyan, can continue this policy into the indefinite future blacks and hispanics may be come part of the past only in the kenyan's America.

Sotomayor
Listening to Senator Coburn (also a DR) say that heartbeats detected within 10 days of conception and brainwaves within 39 days, during his questioning of her honor, the judge. This woman is dangerous. She has not answered any question from anyone in a straightforward manner. Diffuse and deflect, obfuscate, duck and cover. We are in Grave Danger as a Country.

Lilly Lilly Lilly
Keep to the conservative media. The truth will eventually set you free.

to liberals
If you want to fund abortions with tax money,do not use obtuse language.Just put in an amendment that requires tax monies to fund all abortions,and see whhat will happen.By using obtuse language it gives cover to all the senators to vote aye,and then say.I didn't know they meant that

Rick who would think different
Why would any of you think Rick would understand wha he is saying. He is from a state that elected Al Freaken Franken. Minnesotans desires what they get.

Curt on Rick
Curt on Rick
And don't forget Jesse Ventura! Rick expects that we should all lie down and passively let the radical idiots run us over. No taxpayer money should ever be used to fund abortions execpt under dire circumstances. I'm sorry but the notion that we should pay for a woman too stupid to avoid get pregnant is ridiculous. Basically what the emotionally impared are suggesting is that sex, and all of its ramifications, is a right and freedom whose consequences must be funded and remedied by society. The individual has no responsibility because, after all, they simply cannot control themselves.

Goes to show you
Our Political Leaders have lost their minds. They have been corrupted for so long that they don't care who they hurt , as long as they are paid in the backdoor. If We The People don't make TOTAL changes to our Political System, these worthless idiots in DC today will destroy our Heritage for only 1 thing , GREED. This is our country and it is time to take back OUR country and put Proud American's into office that only care about We The People and America's Future.

Senator Abortion Millski


I am a conscientous objector. I want a refund on any of the taxes that I have paid (or will pay) where those monies have gone/will go to pay for abortions.

Whether or not you believe in God, there is morality in Natural Law. It is quite necessary for order and charity.

We MUST have the right to take the Geithner Exception. If a portion of the taxes are being used to pay for unconscionable acts, then we should not have to pay for it.

The abortion issue is a religious issue
It is a waste of time. There are those with religious-based views who feel that abortion is an evil. There are many others who do not agree with this point of view, including a variety of Christian and other religious groups.

If we truly believe in liberty, then the issue should be a matter between the woman and her doctor. The government should stay out of it.

However, I agree that taxpayers should not be required to fund abortions.

No Surprise
Another step toward total government control. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for the murder of unborn babies. Oh, how I absolutely detest the mindset of liberals.

Nothing that this democRAT administration, RINO's and socialist congress does surprises me because it is all prophesied in the Bible that America is going to become a degenerate nation and legislators are making sure it does.

The un-Godly are going to experience "global warming" in a big way, and it will be up close and personal, and even the great Obama won't be able to stop it.

I have mixed feelings about how the U.S.is progressing. On the one hand I hate the liberalism and socialism brought about by liberals who want to legalize and mandate everything that is contray to the Christian faith. But on the other hand I find it exciting to see prophecy being fulfilled before my very eyes, and knowing that these things are bringing us nearer to the return of Jesus and an end to this sick, sick world.

Babs Mikulski
To whose who are astonished that an intellectually and morally bankrupt leftist pol like Barbara Mikulski is constantly reelected to the U.S. Senate, there are 3 pillars in her political base:
1)Baltimore City, her hometown, is a laboratory case of a failed welfare state: the illegitimacy rate is greater than 70%; the murder rate is now the highest in the U.S.; municipal politics are controlled by corrupt, race-hustling politicians who can only keep the city afloat by state and federal subsidies. (The mayor is currently under indictment for graft.) Businessman, whom Mikulski labels “fat cats”, are discouraged by the city’s excess tax rates and growth in violent crime.
2)D.C.’s Maryland suburbs are heavily populated by federal employees who are dependent on Mikulski’s pro-big government policies for their jobs.
3)The Baltimore Sun, the city’s ultraliberal newspaper monopoly, is Babs Mikulski’s ideological lapdog.
It is quite tempting to grow cynical and say that Maryland has gotten a politician it deserves.

To Pete from CA
All moral issues are religious issues. But, the idea that abortion is a decision made between a woman and her doctor is without merit. Many girls/women don't even see a doctor before they make that decision

At the local pregnancy center in my community, we have interviewed many women who have had abortions and the huge majority have been pressured into it by husbands, boyfriends, parents and their peers. That doesn't sound like "freedom of choice" to me.

But you're owed a "thank you" for the reason that you don't support tax-funded abortions.

MizDee

Communist Amerika
Big deal! Hatch asked a question. Where were conservative representatives on this piece of crap legislation? It appears our so-called representatives have no back-bone to stand up and fight against these communists who come up with these immoral policies.

DemocRATS are in control of the House and Congress and they can no longer "blame Bush" to cover up their incompetence. This stomach-turning piece of crap legislation is owned by them and we shall see how many of them that voted for it are still in office after the 2010 elections.

If Kool-Aid drinkers continue to vote for these creeps then they deserve the pain and horror that will be inflicted on them and their loved ones at the hand of their beloved "big government." It's just sad that the rest of the population will have to pay for their stupidity, too. Quite possibly with their very life or the life of someone they love.

Lets just give em what they want
Why don't we just pay for everything for everybody who chooses not to work. That's fair isn't it? Maybe all of our incomes should be put in a big pot and be split equally among all adults in the US-legal or not. Sounds fair to me. Of course our incomes will be dictated by the union bosses we all work for. Now, government employees and union bosses would have their own "system" where they decide on each others pay and of course, they would have a different health plan because you wouldn't want the people running our lives to have to wait in line for care, surgeries and the like. Sounds good to me, where do I sign up? Oh wait, we need to change the laws so that Obama can stay in power as long as he likes. I'd hate to lose the continuity between regimes, oops, I mean presidents. Now you can sign me up!

The racists of the Democrat Party

are determined to use abortion to eliminate citizens of afronegro descent as well as the poor and hispanic.

The Dem Party's racism is evil and it is best if the majority of Americans learn the evil of the Dem Party's racism.

The Dems see abortion as the best way to get rid of afronegroes.

Marxist monkey
Obama has already given his solution as to how to pay for his healthcare plan. Just don't treat the elderly or critically ill with lifesaving treatment. Instead, urge them to just go ahead and die. Just give them some painkillers, preferably an overdose. This Marxist dictator is a regular Dr. Death as he loves any and all abortions, and now he is plugging for euthanasia. Those who voted for this monkey in the WH better make sure they and their loved ones stay healthy and don't need life-saving treatment because they will be denied the same as everyone else,except the elite, of course. We better "hope" that he is voted out of office in 2012 and take his "change" with him.

I’m disappointed
in Senator Hatch.

If this is the only reason he can come up with to oppose Obamacare. Why not state the obvious. “I will oppose government run health care because Americans don’t want government meddling in their person medical decisions.”

This is the only reason that any real Republican need give to oppose this travesty that we all know is just a way for government to control life and death decisions for powerless Americans who don’t have the elite class connections to defend themselves.

peter
You got it right, but you missed one thing.

This plan is not just for the U.S., but for the WHOLE WORLD.

One World Government baby. That way, the people and businesses who are taxed beyond all hope of endurance will have no where to go. You can’t move to another country to get relief because the whole damn world is under the same system.

Yes, it will be a glorious utopia. Bring it on!!

Lilly, Lilly, Lilly....
I think you are the one believing everything you hear/read. You don't seem to have a critical ear/eye for anyone you support. No one is perfect and if you agree 100% with everything they say or do, you are a fool. I love my husband, but we disagree on lots of issues. You libs get a gleam in your eye every time your annointed ones speak - the pres and your sens/reps. It's as though they have a spell over you and you robotically follow their every word and step. You need to start thinking for yourself. I like President Bush but certainly didn't agree with a lot of things that he did. The same goes for other Republicans/Conservatives that serve in office. It's very scary that you following along like a bleating sheep, much the same as the populace did for Hitler in 1930's Germany. Wake up!!

Gracie:
Oblama has already said that the medical care should be rationed to people that benefit the country. How can you expect someone who is retired, no longer paying income tax, to be of benefit to the country? But he, of course, as a politician and President, would always be beneficial to the country as would people like Pelousy and the Clintons.

But while tax payers are beneficial, those on Welfare might want to get concerned. They aren't even beneficial to themselves. I bet none of them have thought about that yet. And certainly anyone who doesn't agree with whatever he wants isn't beneficial either.

The Hillary Plan
When Hillary came up with her program while Bill was in office, it contained a few clauses that even gave the Democrats pause. It had two clauses that counterdicted each other. If you met the requirements of one of them, you automatically broke the other one. A third clause stated that to finance the enforcement of the program, anyone who broke any part of it would have all their possessions stolen - I mean confiscated - to pay for it. Clinton himself said the idea was to use it to insure that anyone who might cause problems for the government was stripped of all possessions to prevent them from causing problems.

Anyone want to bet that these clauses won't be in Obama's health care plan???

Gracie935
Paying for stupidity. You are SO RIGHT.

Just ask the teachers unions. Obama thumbed his nose at contract law by giving the teachers only 29 cents on the dollar in the Chrysler bankruptcy for their secured bonds. It makes me sick the way Obama has ignored the law and not been called on it, yet these teachers got what they deserved in a way. Teacher’s unions have been notorious for expanding the liberal agenda and always promoting Democrats.

When you set out to tear down laws designed to protect everyone from government abuse, you should think twice as you may end up being on the messy end of the stick yourself someday.

Hypochondria
If we get nationalized healthcare, I'm going to become a hypochondriac.

There should be NO provision in this healthcare proposal to provide any kind of funds for abortions with the exception of the Big Three stated in Hatch's amendment. I do not object to abortion because of any religious faith, I'm not a religious person. I feel it is more of an "elective" surgery. Plus, a majority of American do not believe in abortions, and forcing them to pay for it is wrong. Of course, making anyone pay for somebody else's healthcare is wrong regardless of the medical producure.

Also, there should be NO provisions for medical marijuana either.

Taxes for procedures....
A major reason there are issues with using tax money to pay for services is that people are being forced into paying for services they deem immoral (I have heard the LBGT People want to cover sex changes).
I don't believe in abortion so why should I have to pay for someone to have one.
Some people don't believe in modern medicine AT ALL...so why do they need to part of this insurance plan. They don't even use doctors and hospitals.

Agenda Driven
I will offer up a prayer at this time. Dear LORD
let not the blood of the innocent be upon all
Americans but only on the ones that persist in their attempts to continue the murders of little
babies in this nation. Amen

How does one...
come out of a moral bankruptcy? Is it a restructuring, or more like a liquidation?

Other noxious aspects
are that:
1) You are forced to opt in. The current fine under discussion is $1,000.

2) Congress is exempt. What they think is so wonderful for us, they were careful not to foist upon themselves.

Libs: name me one just ONE of Obama's rules that he himself has been willing to live by.

The Party of Death marches on . . .
. . . and it does not seem to care or even notice that through despicasble things like what Mikulski did and then the Democrats on the committee voting for her amendment but against Hatch's, they really are pushing for an actual revolution--and not just of words.

For what it's worth, the Party of Death also continues to show that it lacks not just any moral anchor or intellectual honesty, but also real and/or figurative testicularity.

If it had any of the latter, or any of those three attributes, they Democrats would simply state they want the state to fund yet more abortions.

Cowards and bullies warring against humanity's most vulnerable. Yep, that's the Democrat Party's way, it seems.

Truth is out now
Since the Ginsberg statement has been published, the truth is out. Abortion is now widely known as population control. It can't be stated often enough. Speak it till we all hear. More heartless than Hitler.
Thank God this ammendment failed.

Govt Psychological Tests 4 Pregnant Moms
There is legislation proposed by our representatives in the White House that would require that all pregnant women by psychologically evaluated to see if they are fit to be mothers - How many Americans know about this and how many representatives have disclosed this to the American people - you won't hear it on main stream news!

Obama proposed and implemented The Global Poverty Act without disclosing it to my knowledge during his campaign for U.S. President that would require the U.S. President to mandate that U.S. taxpayers pay for worldwide abortions and the reduction of the population worldwide supported by Biden and Feinstein.

Jane Burgermeister alleges that the swine flu virus and injections is a bio-terrorism attack against the world for de-population.

So, it would make sense that those in office at the top would want to grab all the gold they can get and strip working people of all they have for themselves by creating and fast tracking de-population laws such as pushing for gays; abortions; and hate crimes that shuts all of us up - and brings us to our knees - because we'll be bankrupt - if that is the alleged goal!

Moral Bankruptcy
OlGrumpy:
Excellent question. I believe it's a restructuring, the completion of which could drag on for years (See Dodd, Chris, and Frank, Barney). The reason for this choice is that liquidation would produce no tangible moral assets.

Abortion
If you wonder why abortion is supported by many people, part of the answer is driving through the slums of a city like Baltimore and seeing one and two year old infants walking alone in the street. When you look around you realize that the babies crackhead mother is yards ahead of the child too oblivious of what is going on to even care where the child is.

And trust me this is not an isolated experience. Also as you all know this is after decades of Democrat welfare and wheening of the herd through abortion.

Liberals are inherently evil.
They are not a happy people. They're angry at themselves most of all. They hate themselves because they cannot control themselves; they have no discipline. They blame their failures on everyone but themselves. This self-loathing perpetuates itself until they reach a point where they must make everyone feel the way they do. Affirmative action because they are racist; Abortion because they are promiscuous; Gay "rights" because they have no morals. Eco-Terrorists because they are the biggest polluters. Etc., etc.
I have a co-worker who is reading a Michael Moore book. I made the appropriate disparaging remark, and he starts shouting, "Are you happy? Are you happy?" I said, "Of course I'm happy, I'm not a liberal." Stopped him dead right there.

Sol_Invictus
Where'd you get your numbers? According to the CDC, per capita, blacks and Hispanics have the most abortions in this country.

BlackGenocide.org


BlackGenocide.org

The purpose of this web site is to expose the disproportionate amount of Black babies destroyed by the abortion industry. For every two African American women that get pregnant one will choose to abort.
A Black baby is 5 times more likely to be killed in the womb than a White baby.

Statistics from The Alan Guttmaucher Institute.

"The most dangerous place for an African American to be is in the womb of their African American mother."

Rev, Clenard H Childress Jr




sol's pixie god
Sol please help the rest of us idiots who have not discovered this undeniable knowledge showing there to be no god. Obviously some all knowing being(yes, tongue in cheek) has seen fit to give us a method whereby the origin of all is discoverable and demonstrable so that we can thus know it certainly wasn't a god who might be interested in what we're doing in and to his creation, including humans.

answer for Sol
"Evangelical women have abortions in equal percent as non-evangelical. Meaning WHAT? Nothing.

"Abortions will happen, whether they are legal or not."

Abortions now tolerated by this nation; not as once before when there were severe penalties. I suspect that was around the time Sol was allowed his own birth. Since abortion then as even today, was intentional infant murder; we sent the provider to prison. There was just cause.

"The question is, how many poor women will die of botched abortions."

I should ask what's the difference? A botched abortion might well save the baby's life. So much the better. If you murder him/her at planned parenthood so-called; or with a coat-hanger,

. . . the murder is no less fatal. The killers are no less guilty.

If just once in a while they were caught in their own trap, I'd call it justice. They don't deserve life who cut the life out of an innocent and defenseless child. --I guess Sol Inviscious will now object.

Big Daddy in Ky

Nice post.

They really are an unhappy breed. And they want us all unhappy.

Health care bill
Senator Mikulski and others like her are described in the very first paragraph of the article. They are morally bankrupt and evil. Their conscious has been seared and God have mercy on them as they have had mercy on innocent babies. There is a very hot spot awaiting their eternity.

to Lilli
I beg to differ... Lilli, you shouldn't talk about what and who you don't know about personally. You have enough corruption problems in Illinois you should be concerned with.

Mikulski is NOT a GOOD Senator and she IS morally bankrupt! I think I KNOW a little better than you do as she has been a Senator of MY State WAY TOO LONG and needs to GO NOW.

She doesn't do anything where she doesn't benefit personally and she will look you in the eye and LIE HER BUTT OFF!

She runs un-opposed but THAT my dear is changing. Mikulski, Cardin, Hoyer and the rest of the leftist jerks MUST GO in 2010. She will NOT go un-opposed now. She will have to fight for her life now. Marylanders are FED UP with these jerks.

BTW, I'm UNAFFILIATED, so I have NO loyalty to either party.


Barbara Mikulski
I have lived in Maryland for 63 years. There is nothing that Mikulski, Cardin, O'Malley et.al. could do that would surprise me. Our elected officials speak for three jurisdictions,Baltimore City, Prince George's County, and Montgomery County. These jurisdictions run the state. It is the classic tail wagging the dog. When I retire, I will no longer be able to afford to live in this state. Taxes are too high! I would like to see nearly every elected official that we have defeated but hell will freeze over first!
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