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Wednesday, February 25, 2009
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Deficit Charade
by Terry Jeffrey
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President Obama posed as a fiscal conservative Monday when he hosted a "fiscal responsibility summit."

Close inspection reveals that what he is actually proposing, however, is a massive increase in government debt -- thus raising the already unsustainable burden of government that is certain to fall on our children unless the welfare state is somehow curtailed.

In the first seven fiscal years overseen by the high-spending President Bush, the annual federal budget deficits were truly obscene. Yet, they never exceeded $500 billion.

In fiscal 2002 through 2008, according to the historical tables published by the Office of Management and Budget last fall, the annual deficits were $157.7 billion, $377.5 billion, $412.7 billion, $318.3 billion, $248.1 billion, $162 billion and $410 billion. (The Congressional Budget Office has since calculated that the fiscal 2008 deficit actually ended up being $454.8 billion.)

President Obama said Monday that his "administration has inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit" for fiscal 2009.

The extraordinary size of that deficit is due, of course, to what one would have hoped were passing circumstances and one-time policies: a recession, a $700 billion bailout of the banking industry and that part of the $787 billion "stimulus" President Obama signed last week that will actually be spent in this fiscal year.

"And that's why today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office," President Obama said at his summit.

But what does that mean? The administration says President Obama's promise to "cut the deficit we inherited in half" means he will reduce it from $1.3 trillion in fiscal 2009 to $533 billion in fiscal 2013.

This $533 billion deficit -- that President Obama vows will be the lowest annual deficit he runs in any of the next four years -- is larger than any deficit the profligate President Bush ran before this recessionary year.

In fact, President Obama's planned $533 billion deficit for fiscal 2013 is more than twice as large as the $248.1 billion deficit Bush ran in 2006 and more than three times as large as the $162 billion deficit Bush ran in 2007.

In other words, President Obama is planning to permanently increase the scale of government borrowing -- even before we are hit by the fiscal tidal wave that will come when the bulk of the baby boom generation retires and begins collecting Social Security and Medicare benefits.

The truth is this: Our federal government has been wading ever deeper into red ink for a full half-century, and President Obama is now planning to wade deeper and faster than any president who has gone before him.

According to the Bureau of the Public Debt, the overall federal debt has increased every single year for the past 50 years. The last time it declined from one year to the next was from 1956 to 1957.

Overall federal debt increased even in each year from 1998 to 2001, when the OMB was calculating annual federal surpluses. This seeming contradiction, budget experts tell me, results from the fact that when they calculate the annual surplus or deficit they do not account for the interest the government pays itself on paper for the money it has borrowed out of the Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement trust funds to pay for current expenditures in other government programs.

The interest paid on the money the government has borrowed from Social Security and Medicare taxes to fund other things does not require the government to dole out real cash today. It will require the government to dole out real cash tomorrow, however, when the number of retired people receiving Social Security and Medicare benefits balloons compared to the number of younger working people paying taxes to support those programs.

Every dollar President Obama borrows and spends, like every dollar President Bush borrowed and spent, adds to the permanent burden of government laid on the backs of our children.

Last year, then-Comptroller General David Walker reported that every American household would have to put up $455,000 to cover the $53 trillion gap that already exits between the entitlement benefits promised to living Americans and the tax revenue currently expected to pay for those entitlements.

On top of this, President Obama has just promised to add more than $2 trillion to the national debt over the next four years.

To expand on a metaphor I used in a previous column, America is heading down the blind alley of big government toward the brick wall of national bankruptcy -- and President Obama is now putting his foot on the accelerator. What's next: Liberals will use the coming crash as an argument for even more big government, quite possibly in the form of socialized medicine that seeks to control government spending by rationing the health care of all Americans.

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The deficit
will reach $2 trillion or more before this president and this Congress is finished for this year.

Cut The Deficit In Half In 4 Yrs? Sure.

Ok, so, Ovomit and the crooks in Congress dismantled Clinton & his Congressional Republicans' Welfare Reform Act. Instead, of ending "welfare as we know it," Mr. POTUSman has mushroomed the welfare and safety net social programs.

After 4 years of sucking on the teat of Goobermint, how many of these losers are going to want to get a job? In the future, how many of their children are ever going to break the cycle of poverty given that they will have grown up with it? Somebody, please explain to me how you can cut the deficit in half in 4 years, if you have an entrenched and unwilling to leave welfare class?

Anyone, who believes Ovomit's shell game, please let me know. I have some hydrocarbon-rich leases in Central Park to sell you.

And the same trolls
who have (quite justifiably) been criticizing Bush for his deficits now shout hysterical praise for the Dumbo increases. Its going to get worse, and this provides more opportunity for more idiocy like the porkulus bill which is now fait accompli. Will the voters wake up? Its been like 40 years in Cuba, and no wake up. Took 70 years in the USSR. By the time we get our feet back on the ground, if ever, it won't matter. China and India will be the world powers and economic giants.

impeach now
impeach this unqualified, self-absorbed prick and find and get rid of the puppet masters running this shadow government (Soros). With apologies to Girl Scouts, this punk couldn't lead a sale of Girl Scout cookies at a local supermarket.

Obama's Folly
Under Bush, I had hoped that my children would be free from the confiscatory social security tax that FDR instituted and has continued to burden us. He didn't do it when he had the chance to try.

Now Obama is introducing larger deficits. I'm paying about 5% of my annual income to continue to finance that one part of FDR's folly. Will my children be paying 10-15% of their income?

I echo Michelle's sentiments - I have never been so ashamed of my country.

Scott
Well said. You forgot to mention that Soros really hates this country and always has. This would certainly lead me to believe that this "puppet" Obama feels exactly the same. Obama is as you said certainly unqualified to do anything. He reads a speech pretty good and people have decided that that makes him smart. Some of the smartest people in this country are not good orators. For my money I want the smart guy running the country. This empty suit has a bunch of America haters running him and he doesn't care as long as he stands up and gets that Rock Star audience. Pretty sad state when our country is fooled by this kind of performance.

Now folks
the one will lead us to the land of milk and honey. I have readed the future at the NYT, The Daly Kos, ect.. They have assured me this is so. Just read the posts here from the likes of the wise and all knowing HAL, DR.D, ect.. No I have no fear that the one will bring us to happiness, no matter what the costs.
Kirk

The fix is in
The Dem's real goal is to bring us european style socialism. And if Obama achieves the objectives he touched on in his speech (universal health care, free education through college, green energy), he'll have achieved it. The result will be a consistently high level of unemployment (around 10-12%) and anemic GDP growth (i.e. slower creation of wealth). Just like in europe.

The strategy is to balloon debt to such levels that there is no choice but to have huge tax hikes. Massive hikes on the top 5%...and (big secret!!) large tax hikes on the middle and upper-middle class. Permanant tax hikes that can't be cut because of the massive debt.

Count on it!

In other words,
BO has spent, spent, spent and now it's time to tax, tax, tax. Tax and spend? No, it's a new day: the day of spend and tax. Change we can believe in.

Reader
S.S. tax is 13% and then employer has to match it. So, in reality 26% of your pay is going to S.S. If you were self employed you would know that as you would have to pay the employee and employer portions.

Liar
obambi is a fraud. He has no economic sense and could not balance his and ours checkbooks. His lies have corrupted the american people and will spend our country to the trash heap of history. Trillions and trillions of dem dollars favors and power buying is the real reason for obambi mis-guided prideful spending. He is a Marxist who has no experience running this country. May God bless America!

OBAMA'S TRUTH DEFICIT
My dear leftist friend:

The Obama that possesses your utopian brain is an idealized image of the man bearing little resemblance to the conventional pol from the corrupt wards of Chicagoland. In fact, the gap between reality and your imaginary Prez is so fantasically wide that you could fit in between ten deficits Obama-size with room enough for all his lies, a truth deficit equal in greatness and size.

Click ApolloSpeaks and read more quips: King Kong's Rage, Bonzo Liberalism and Blago Obamavich





Jindal, a man of substance...
Finally, with Jindal we have a leader on the national stage, not an empty styrofoam Greek column Obama poser.
Bobby Jindal is one of a very few truly brilliant people who have ideas that work and have proven to do so. He has more smarts in his socks than Obama has in his pretend sentimental idiotic "dreams."
Jindal is a man of principle, not politics; a man with an ethical and moral center, not "above my pay grade" - "I screwed up" - "I won" puerile whining; a leader, not a facilitator; a person of action, not staging; someone who believes in the power of America and Americans, not the power of government; a man of purpose, not empty promise.
Bobby Jindal has actually served the America he leads, not just taken from it for personal gain.
Jindal and other young Republicans such as Cantor and Ryan finally give me some real hope.
Obama couldn't lead a dog to a fire hydrant, but he can put dogs in a "study group" and teach them to bark.
Jindal is real, a leader who has proven himself through his actions, someone we can actually trust and someone who delivers, not the solipsistic pathetic frat brat elitist race baiting welfare Chicago thug wind blower we now must endure.
I didn't listen to Obambi's speech because he never says ANYTHING anyone can trust - NO SUBSTANCE, just dissembling equivocation. Obobo's a master of deceit, but I did listen to Jindal because he not only speaks with substance, he delivers it. Jidal is real, not an Obama cardboard cutout.

Gee, John ...
What a terrible future that would be!
Universal health care would require us to abandon our current wasteful and inequitable system. We'd have to stop pouring money into the pockets of insurance companies and give up one of the lowest levels of public health of any industrialized nation.

Green energy's even worse. We'd have to stop pouring money into the pockets of oil conglomerates and Saudi princes then. Green energy wouldn't foul the environment or ruin the global climate either. Who'd want to abandon that?

But education's definitely the worst: a threat to our very way of life. Why on earth would we want to have an informed, literate population? Wouldn't it be more better, if everyone were as dumb as a Republican?

Obama's Speech
Great post scarlettsnow. Like one of Obama's minions -- as shown on television -- I fell asleep early, but would not have watched the speech anyway. The people have elected an empty suit to the presidency. This messiah has appointed a corrupt cabinet, full of tax evaders, cheats, liars and incompetents. As an added "plus" he has a vice-president who is an example of those who are admonished thusly --"Better to remain silent and appear a fool rather than speak and remove all doubt."

OBAMA'S TRUTH DEFICIT

My dear leftist friend:

The Obama that possesses your utopian brain is an idealized image of the man bearing little resemblance to the conventional pol from the corrupt wards of Chicagoland. In fact, the gap between reality and your imaginary Prez is so fantastically wide that you could fit in between ten deficits Obama-size with room enough for all his lies, a truth deficit equal in greatness and size.




ajhil
Have you looked at Canadain health care? Or for that matter Europe? And we all know pouring money into the gov. will work, as ther is no coruption there.
Green energy? Pour money into oil companys? No your right we should pour money into rich green companys. LOL!
Education? Does Joe Biden or Barb Boxer ring a bell, Now that is our education system at work.LOL.
Kirk

AJHIL
Have you done any research on Uni Healthcare in Canada or Europe. I think its been a horrible failure up to now. Exactly what nations have better systems???

Green Energy? Oh yeah I think we should all invest in Al Gores myth thats yet to even be debated. Do you think IF we drilled for all the oil we have that it would help??

Last but not least. Our schools are inundated with Liberal garbage! No schools that I know of are teaching conservative values. Do you know of any??

The bottom line is that Obama's first month has been a complete failure. He and the liberal Congress have NO answers to the problems we face. They will only make them worse.

A need for a god.
There must be something genetic in our make-up that requires a god. When current gods are disowned or forgotten, the search goes on for a new god. Obama seems to fulfill that role for many.

It doesn't matter what he says. It can be demonstrably wrong or an unprovable assertion. He doesn't care. His believers don't care. They want what he says he is going to deliver on them.

to ajil in colo
I think your response Johnr22 was emotional but without substance. You will get rationed Health care controlled by the goverment and sending Insurance staffers to the unemployment lines. Green energy will cost more in taxes and expenses; meaning everything will cost more to drive your car or heat your home.Then education will be run with a leftist spin where the goverment is the giant teat that will nuture all the young minds of mush.
Obama will spread your wealth and you don't care. There is no free lunch! Spending 3 trillion$ in 30 days. Shameful.

H2OSkier

This isn't a criticism, but your figures are incorret.

The Social Security tax rate for individuals is 6.2%, which is then matched by the employer, Self employed people must pay 12.4%

Medicare tax rate is 1.45%, so when combined with the Social Security tax, is is 7.65% which is matched by the employer for a combined tax of 15.30%. Self employed folks pay the 15.30% rate.

Trolls Don't Bother
to read this post as it requires one to put a few thoughts together.

First Rule of Holes: when you find yourself in one, quite digging.

Government intervention in the economy will make matters worse and not better. Contrary to conventional liberal wisdom FDR didn't halt the Great Depression he extended it. see http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolon ged-Depression-5409.aspx

Dr. W Edward Deming, guru of quality, in a classic Gedankenexperiment (thought experiment) "moving the funnel" illustrated that intervention in a system that one doesn't understand is tampering. That's what is happening now and that's what happened during the Great Depression.

Conservatives ought to seek "right sized" government. There is a growing body of evidence, sometimes called the Armey Curve, that government that grows beyond a certain point is impedes economic growth. America passed that point sometime ago. With even more social spending economic growth will be more sluggish than it has for years.

Folks the course charted is nonsense and flies in the face of historical data and theory. We are in deep doo doo, technically speaking.

Diabolical Scheme
The scheme of the Democrats is plain and simple. Buy the 2010 and 2012 elections, while getting rid of the GOP. We really need to look at the lack of spending coming out of the "spendulus" bill at a time when we are in such crisis. Ask ourselves why? Why did this bill have to be passed post haste without even reading it? Those in Washington,DC think we are idiots, who don't care how they spend our money, take away our retirements, and only give breaks to select people. Hell ACORN thinks it's a civil right to own a home. To the point they break the law to let people back in their homes. These are the people who are "targetted" in the "spendulus" bill. Barack Obama and the Democrats are treacherous beyond belief, and we can't buy the line of shovel ready mule dung they're trying to feed us. I don't care what our political affiliation is, we all need to look closely at how the Democrats are trying to dismantle our present two party system, so they can instill European socialism.

Jose, You are correct
that government run health care is rationed health care. The theory behind government take over is that a single payer, because of great purchasing power, can drive prices down in the market. But what will really happen? The government is setting price controls and is THE ONLY PLACE to which businesses sell. Marketing to a government is different than marketing to 100s of millions of free individuals.

Innovation becomes about offering government bureaucrats what they want (notice not the people) at the price they wish to pay. So what MUST happen. There are shortages. Look at Canada for crying out loud. Government puts itself into the business of deciding what they can and can't afford as far as medicine.

More simply, who would you rather have reducing the cost in health care delivery? Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who brought you Fannie and Freddie? Or captains of industry like Bezos at Amazon.com, or others who work hard to give you what you want at an affordable price. I know where I would bet.

$455,000
per household, how many years will you have to work to pay your share, or, more accurately, how many years will your children and their children have to work to pay your share of federal entitlements? Still think bigger Government is the answer?

Epithets...
Some one called Jindal a "goober." I was thinking-- I'll take an honest, decent, America-Loving patriot like "goober" any day, over an "elegant" America- hating, constitution-destroying, leftist liar like Obama!!!

The best thing any future conservative candidate can do is to learn to give his speech looking directly at the audience. Obama's ping-ponging head is an object lesson for all of us. Where he stands is becoming clearer and clearer ---ping pong ping pong ping pong....!!!!!

Debt? What debt?
Why do people say our children are going to be saddled with the huge national debt? Obama has not the slightest intention of repaying any of the debt.

Like that other great leader, President Mugabe, he will simply print the money. Soon, he will be able to hand the Chinese a $50 trillion dollar banknote and tell them to keep the change! Poof! Debt gone.

Soon the entire US middle class will be surviving on food stamps, and Obama will be President for life, just like his pal Hugo Chavez.

Election? What election? Due to the oh so unexpected huge financial crisis, Obama will be forced to ask Congress for a temporary enabling act to deal with the riots in the streets, and a temporary suspension of habeas corpus. The Democrats, and three Republican traitors, will vote yea. The republic will be finished.

Yes, Virginia, it most certainly can happen here. We are all socialists now. But not bad international socialists. We are all good national socialists now.



Barbara
Amen!

The educationed beyond their intelligence, ivy league types have been fouling up the country like a three-decker soup sandwich since President Wilson.

Three decker soup sandwich. Great!
Not to be confused with the ---- sandwich or the cram sandwich rammed down your gullet by the "racism" accusers, to shut off complaints about The One's nefarious plans.

Obama ought to tell it like it is.
He "inherited" a debt made by Congress. And that Congress, for the last two years, has been run by his party. The House holds the purse strings--- NOT THE PRESIDENT. And while everyone bitches and moans about what was "inherited" (in order to skewer Bush) they ought to keep in mind that EVERY new President "inherits" the debts of the previous Congress. Obama is STILL campaigning and blaming. Even if he had an original idea of his own that had merit, he would never get it past those grinning bastards in Congress. One man is nothing against the huge machine called government. Jesus Christ would have a hard time moving people to do what's right. He sure as hell wouldn't be able to stop the coveting and theft that is rampant in Congress today.

IT IS AN OVERLOAD FOR ME.

Having always had a great deal of interest in American history and having shown an interest in our local, state and national governments and following the government policies for many years, with an intense interest for the past year, I believe I have overloaded.

It actually hurts to see our country moving in the direction of liberal fascism with the dictorial behaviors of this current president and his Democratic minions. I have an urge to scream to everyone I meet, on the street, in the resturants, in church, "it's wrong, wrong, wrong what this government is doing to this country". I want to march, protest, do anything to put a stop to this maddness. As a nuturing mother I want to put my arms around our country and keep it from harm.

But as do most of our children, the country will take it's own direction as it grows, for better or worse. It is still my country and I'll deal with it.


nationalized healthcare
So he'll start a national healthcare plan knowing he can't afford it and then tell the old, young, and any other group he doesn't like that they can't get coverage for this or that because he can't afford it. Hears a bright idea- DON'T NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE. DuH!

I personally would like to see all the insurance companies put out of business and go back to affordable ocsts on an as neede basis, but I'm one of the few americans left who has common sense and doesn't run to the doctor for every little thing.

I found a quote the other day I really like.
"The aim of medicine is to prevent disease and prolong life: the ideal of medicine is to eliminate the need of the physician." -Dr. William Mayo 1929, founder of Mayo clinic in Rochester MN.

TOday the medical field is all about making you dependent on them for advice, drugs, or what ever they are selling at that time. It's no longer about caring for people it's about making a buck.

skidrowfuzzy writes:
The scheme of the Democrats is plain and simple. Buy the 2010 and 2012 elections, while getting rid of the GOP.
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Looks like time to put more of my investment portfolio into aluminum foil.

MerryCollin, but ...
Bush left way too much ink in the old veto pen. He should have sent those turkey bills back to Congress and told them to take out the pork.

It did take two to tango.

Don't forget either that 3/4 of the Republican Senators voted for TARP. So the GOP is culpable also.

It is Republicans like these that give conservatives a bad reputation.

Jennifer, Look for government's had
if something is totally messed up. We had FANNIE and FREDDIE for instance. And why would we want to let people like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who brought us this disaster to manage health care?

Here is the problem. Insurance is intended to provide for catastrophic failures, which ruin a few people when they happen. Create a large risk pool and then when the few have a catastrophe they are covered.

We have perverted it to become "free" doctor visits rather than its intended purpose. Medical savings accounts are a good alternative to that.

Back to government, which created mandates that businesses above a certain size had to provide coverage. Then states piled on and turned these policies into Christmas trees.

So what do we have? We have free policies to the consumers; we have free trips to the doctors for consumers; we have states loading up policies will all sorts of goodies to satisfy constituents. Is it any wonder the system doesn't work and is too expensive.

The solution is to put it back the way it was and get government out of it.

Healthcare, Green Energy, Education!
It has been, quite truthfully, said: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." So we might just want to apply this truth to the Subjects listed above.

Healthcare - Private medical care & services in the United States of America (USA) have developed into one of the best systems in the world. For example: why is it that individuals either come here on their own or are sponsored in order to have complex treatment and/or surgeries? Do we really want Big Government telling us what treatments we may have?

Green Energy - 3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation: http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
please check this link. The USA would not be dependent on foreign oil imports while we are developing alternative energy sources.

Education - At one time the USA had one of the best public education systems in the world. However, we have seen it in decline for almost 45 years.

Back in 1964 I wrote PUBLIC SCHOOLS – AMERICA’S FUTURE An ESSAY – POEM (Prophecy) copyrighted. Verse 1
Public schools – “SHIP OF FOOLS”
With learning quite laborious,
With teachers crass
For the illiterate mass;
Our ancient sages now all drool."

Do we need more Federal Government, State Boards of Education or whatever intervention? Haven't they already enough by using re-written history textbooks, imposing their liberal values, and institutionalizing their amoral views?


Green Energy
Double green energy and 6% of our energy will be from alternative sources. This will free us from Saudi Oil?

Remember the S&L Crisis
Back in the 90's it took 153 billion to bail out the S&L's. How many democrats, currently in Congress voted on the various banking reform legislation from 1989 when FIRRA established to today?

We were warned then that the banks would need a bailout, BUT did Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Maxine Waters et. al. tell us not to worry?

During the S&L bail out Massuchsets banks received 10.8 billion, Pensylvania banks received 17b, New York 31b and Illinois 35 billions.

I just inherited a smoking habit, too!
Um, is it just me, or is the phrase, "we inherited a deficit," either disingenuous or plain stupid?

Debt is what happens when you've spent too much. Deficit is what you call it when you are spending too much. You could inherit a debt, OK, fine - go ahead and blame that one on Bush.

But how is it Bush's fault if Obama and the Democrats in Congress spend too much now? Obama's argument that we "inherited" a deficit is like saying that, because the last President was a smoker, he has to start smoking now, too.

Idiot.

Seems to fit the occasion...........

"Two thumbs down to the clown who makes me frown. The pretender will surely render more than a fender-bender with all this wild squander of tender. For from debt we’ll all drown while this fool with a crown fiddles away in DC town."


by " O " in AZ..........


Silver Lion, Is "O" Seven-Years-Old?

Next what? Your "Georgie Porgie" nursery rhyme!

LOL

Saving the world
Liberals have always tried to save the world, no matter what shape the country is in. It is not the job of the president to save the world,but to protect the interest of the country. Creating money out of nothing and especially without any backing only will cause stagflation. Liberals do not care about the poor, nothing but to oppress them first. Then use as a pawn to defraud the United States. Planned Parenthood, ACORN, and all other domestic terrorist organizations including the ACLU and INSTITUTE FOR JUSTICE. Waste nor liberalism is not limited to either party. Stimulus Package #1 was signed by President Bush as Stimulus Package #2 was signed by President Obama, but approved by the democrat led Congress of Pelosi and Reid.

TO ALL CONCERNED POSTERS
I have read every post to this article, and while there are a few that believe in Obama, the majority (like myself) believe he and his and Congress' ideas and legislation are HORRIBLE and will destroy this country.

What I haven't heard any of you say (if I missed it I am sorry) is that there is one way to stop THIS PRESIDENT and that is to CHANGE Congress by turning it over to the GOP. THAT IS CHANGE I CAN BELIEVE IN!!

A split government (Executive branch being 1 party and Legislative branch being the other party) would actually do us some good right now.

Is anyone up to putting their money (what's left of it) where their mouth is? I plan on sending money to any Republican running for Congress next year, especially those running against incumbant dems, even if it is only $10. We have to get rid of Obama's ability to ACTUALLY do harm. That goes for the war in Iraq, too.


Health Care
Bail the unions and corporations out. They won't have to provide health care. Government helping the little guy.

Pat - no quick solutions!
We the people BLEW it! We can't do much for the next year and a half. We can write our Congression delegations, demand that they listen to us, but it's probably not going to do a lot of good, YET. The Dems somebody in this country voted for see no reason to listen to us just now. We can revitalize the Republican Party to conservative principles or found a third party based on conservative principles. We can focus on getting as many Dems out of office in 2010 as we can. That swings things a little more our way. That's almost two years away however. We can continue to offer suggestions, but they will likely be ignored until conservatives start winning elections again.

Yet, it is not hopeless, because there is an election in 2010 and another in 2012. I believe Mr. Obama will be a one-term and very discredited president. I think when my children are my age, they'll group him with Carter and say, "Hey, Mom, you were right." But the next 1 1/2 years is going to be tough to sit out.

Get writing those letters, though, because I know for a fact Lisa Murkowski decided not to vote for the porkulous package because she had been told by many constituents that she would lose her job in 2012 if she did. She's a moderate Republican, so she needs to be reminded about which side she says she's on from time to time. You might be able to do the same in Arizona if you keep up the letter-writing pressure. I love email links!

Patrick - TX
"Stimulus Package #1 was signed by President Bush as Stimulus Package #2 was signed by President Obama, but approved by the democrat led Congress of Pelosi and Reid."

SORRY . . . stimulus package #1 was NOT signed by Bush; you are thinking of TARP. That had nothing to do with stimulating the economy, it had to do with trying to correct the financial mess. If the dems had left it alone, and nothing else was done, it might have worked.

Pat, Glad You Asked
I would double down if I were you and ask people to contribute time and money.

But, ... Republicans aren't entirely blameless in all of this. While we are in the process of cleaning house we need to get rid of Republican jellyfish, starting with Collins, Snow, and Specter.

Take a look and you will find that about 3/4 of Republicans voted for the TARP, which gave the Democrats an excuse if not the moral high ground in this discussion. None of them, it seems to me deserve to be rewarded.

A day or so ago I heard Mike Steel, Chair RNC, say that they may well support primary challengers to Snow, Collins, and Specter. I therefore sent a donation to the RNC along with a note of approval.

I was solicited by Sen Cornyn to donate to the Republican Senate Election Committee or some such thing. I declined pointing out to him that I couldn't donate to an organization headed by someone who voted for TARP.

I will encourage and support those who believe in free markets and limited government. I will assess belief by action and not words.

aurorawatcher - AK
"We can focus on getting as many Dems out of office in 2010 as we can. That swings things a little more our way. That's almost two years away however. We can continue to offer suggestions, but they will likely be ignored until conservatives start winning elections again."

That isn't really two years away, the campaigning will actually begin in earnest the end of this year.

"You might be able to do the same in Arizona if you keep up the letter-writing pressure. I love email links!"

Right now I really don't have to worry about my two Senators (McCain and Kyl), but we do have some House Reps that could lose their jobs if they feel their job is threatened enough.

elko.mike
"But, ... Republicans aren't entirely blameless in all of this. While we are in the process of cleaning house we need to get rid of Republican jellyfish, starting with Collins, Snow, and Specter."

I realize that; and I am going to do everything I can to get whoever runs in the primaries against Collins, Snow, and Specter, elected.

"A day or so ago I heard Mike Steel, Chair RNC, say that they may well support primary challengers to Snow, Collins, and Specter. I therefore sent a donation to the RNC along with a note of approval."

I hadn't heard that; that is terrific. We really needed someone in the RNC Chair to take that position. FINALLY!

"I will encourage and support those who believe in free markets and limited government. I will assess belief by action and not words."

I agree. Does that include dems? Because right now I do not believe a word that is coming out of any of their mouths.

The SS cupboard is bare
"Overall federal debt increased even in each year from 1998 to 2001, when the OMB was calculating annual federal surpluses. This seeming contradiction, budget experts tell me, results from the fact that when they calculate the annual surplus or deficit they do not account for the interest the government pays itself on paper for the money it has borrowed out of the Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement trust funds"

So we've had a budget charade going on for almost 40 years, and now we're going to single out President Obama for engaging in budget chicanery. I don't dispute the obversation that the above policy constitutes accounting deception, but I think a little more indignation is due all those other presidents, since LBJ, who pracriced this same deception.

In fact, it was that great taxcutter, Ronald Reagan, who greatly expanded this generational theft (the robbing of future generations that has become so upsetting to John McCain since Obama took office) when RR signed into law the SS reform Act of 1983 that raised the payroll on wage earners in order to generate trillions of dollars to fully fund the benefits that have been promised to the baby boom generation.

But alas, the surpluses have all been spent on other programs and now it will be up to our children to repay that money so grandma and grandpa can receive their benefits in full.

This is the quality of the government we have received for the past 40 years.

Pat, Yes
I will support anyone of them who support free markets, personal responsibility, and limited government. A couple of the Blue Dog dems aren't too bad. I'm at a loss for a name now.

jeffjenn, Exactly
There are a set of accounting rules (I have no idea what they say) called Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, which define the constraints within which business maintains their books.

If a business kept books the way the Federal Government does then its owners and accountants would be in trouble or even jail.

There are various sources around that have performed GAAP estimates for the Federal Government and find that the "true" deficit, by which I mean the obligations the government has, is around $60T.

This is a huge mess we have on our hands and getting worse every day.

Bob
Thanks. You are correct. 15% of our pay is going to the government before income taxes and all of the other fees we pay. Now, Obama is proposing to take some the SS revenue and give it back to the people who don't pay any income tax. I guess that will make SS insolvent that much quicker.

Memo to Ajhil Reply #14
Yes Ajhil socialized medicine would be terrible you will be placing your and your entire family’s’ health care needs in the hands of some clerk at the HHS Admin office; not a doctor or even a nurse but a government clerk who’s only concern is “it’s only 20 minutes till quitting’ time (Miller Time) and forget about picking your own doctor, another clerk will assign you one. Where your current doctor may have been 1st in his/her class at Johns Hopkins and interned at the best hospital in the country, your “new” government appointed doctor may have graduated last in his/her class at the University of Sri Lanka and interned at Fred’s Clinic and Bait Shoppe.

As for renewable energy it will be great in 20 or 30 years but for now we need to drill for our own oil and build 30 or 40 new nuclear power plants NOW. Not wait 20 years for solar or wind power which are not cost effective at this time; nor can we afford NObamas plan to tax carbon use so that wind and solar are cheaper than paying the asinine carbon offset tax to pay for a solution to a non-existent problem, MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE.

Memo to Ajhil Reply #14
Yes Ajhil socialized medicine would be terrible you will be placing your and your entire family’s’ health care needs in the hands of some clerk at the HHS Admin office; not a doctor or even a nurse but a government clerk who’s only concern is “it’s only 20 minutes till quitting’ time (Miller Time) and forget about picking your own doctor, another clerk will assign you one. Where your current doctor may have been 1st in his/her class at Johns Hopkins and interned at the best hospital in the country, your “new” government appointed doctor may have graduated last in his/her class at the University of Sri Lanka and interned at Fred’s Clinic and Bait Shoppe.

As for renewable energy it will be great in 20 or 30 years but for now we need to drill for our own oil and build 30 or 40 new nuclear power plants NOW. Not wait 20 years for solar or wind power which are not cost effective at this time; nor can we afford NObamas plan to tax carbon use so that wind and solar are cheaper than paying the asinine carbon offset tax to pay for a solution to a non-existent problem, MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE.

Memo to Ajhil Reply #14
Yes Ajhil socialized medicine would be terrible you will be placing your and your entire family’s’ health care needs in the hands of some clerk at the HHS Admin office; not a doctor or even a nurse but a government clerk who’s only concern is “it’s only 20 minutes till quitting’ time (Miller Time) and forget about picking your own doctor, another clerk will assign you one. Where your current doctor may have been 1st in his/her class at Johns Hopkins and interned at the best hospital in the country, your “new” government appointed doctor may have graduated last in his/her class at the University of Sri Lanka and interned at Fred’s Clinic and Bait Shoppe.

As for renewable energy it will be great in 20 or 30 years but for now we need to drill for our own oil and build 30 or 40 new nuclear power plants NOW. Not wait 20 years for solar or wind power which are not cost effective at this time; nor can we afford NObamas plan to tax carbon use so that wind and solar are cheaper than paying the asinine carbon offset tax to pay for a solution to a non-existent problem, MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE.

Daniel, Terrible Indeed
It seems to me that the only reason any reasonable person thinks government-run health care is a good idea is that they haven't thought it through.

When actually unleashed think about what the private sector does in terms of delivering cost and quality. TVs have gone from black and with to absolutely stunning color high-definition screens. Would that have happened if the government was in charge?

Doubt it. Look, for instance, at the history of FAA modernization. It is a relatively simply problem -- just insert technology already developed into the air traffic control centers. Well the government has spend billions trying to do it and have failed. They don't do this type of function well.

People like Jeff Bezos at Amazon.com or Steve Jobs at Apple bring us better and better products and lower prices.

It all boils down to would you rather have people like Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs trying to deliver higher quality affordable health care. Or would you rather have Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, defenders to the end of FANNIE and FREDDIE, managing health care.

It seems like a no brainer to me.

Because Nationalized Works !
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In World War I, the nations' railroads were successfully nationalized to sustain the war effort.
In the 1930s, the Reconstruction Finance Corp. bought millions of shares in over 6,000 banks in order to rescue them.
During World War II, government took control of the economy's entire pricing system for consumer goods and did quite well at it, most economists agree.
In the 1980s, the Resolution Trust Corp. seized hundreds of failed savings and loans in order to save the system.
After 9/11, the government effectively nationalized the private-security firms at airports, and replaced them with the federal TSA.

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Charles Shumer GOP stuck in past
Remember the S&L crisis spurred by bad mortgage loans? Chuck should he was a co-sponsor with Steny Hoyer of the 1982 Garn-St Germain bill which removed restrtictions and relaxed loans on real estate.

Look what it got them. Leading Democrats in Congress and another Banking collapse.

Lone
Yeah, the TSA is a marvelous example of a government run enterprise. Airport lines are longer and less efficient than before 9-11. A recent test was done on how good TSA performed their duties and they failed miserably. You can check out how they failed catching bomb components 60% of the time here: http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2007/10/25/tsa-screeners-f ail-most-bomb-tests/


LoneRules, Do You Not Read History
In the Cold War a free economy (more or less) went against a nationalized economy.
US - 1
USSR - 0

In what way does it work?

I Trillion
That is a stack of One Million dollar bills, 416' high.

Hey!! PresidentDon from California
I thought you might enjoy my figures on a trillion dollars. In a recent letter-to-the-editor I calculated the height of a stack of 1,138,000,000,000 dollar bills. The following is quoted from my letter.

“How much money is $838 billion plus $300 billion? How about $1,138,000,000,000? A lot of “greenbacks”, huh. A bundle of one thousand dollar bills is approximately 4 inches high – aw shucks! I know most people don't like math so I'll skip all the calculation numbers.
“Let's just load one trillion one hundred and thirty eight billion dollar bills on trucks and haul'em and stack'em in the “messiah's” yard (White House lawn) and the president can then begin to pass'em out to the “poor” people, ya' know, take from the rich and give to the poor.
“We'll probably need a firetruck with a long extension ladder because a 15 acre stack will top out at about 61 feet. And oh yes, we'll have to commission 12,000 trucks, with a trailer 8 x 8 x 40 feet, to haul all our “Stimulus” loot to Washington.
“Just for an afterthought comparison. If it were possible to stack our loot in a single column, it would top out at 71,843 miles.
”God bless our troops.”

latterdaze from Texas

Obama's Deficit Charade
Read this somewhere: 51% favor the stimulus package. The rest read the whole bill.

As for me: “GOD'S GIVEN US A SAVIOR. I'M LOOKING FOR A PRESIDENT.” (bumper sticker)

The Problem With 'Nationalization'
To All Interested Post(er)'s

Below are some comments made by Gerald P. O'Driscoll Jr. published in "The Wall Street Journal" on February 23, 2009.

Read the full article here:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9996

There are no good options and certainly nothing resembling a free-market solution.

The chorus for nationalizing America's struggling banks is growing louder, and support for the idea comes from strange sources.

Alan Greenspan has said that he understands that "once in a hundred years" the government needs to take over the banks, and now is the time. Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, has called for doing what works and "if nationalization is what works, then we should do it." That is the kind of pragmatism that leads to socialism.



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