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Wednesday, February 18, 2009
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
What Obama Is Doing With Your Medical Records
by Terry Jeffrey
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The so-called "stimulus" President Obama signed Tuesday is so unwieldy it had to be posted in two PDFs on the House Appropriations Committee's Website along with another two containing an "explanatory statement."

The law totaled 1,071 pages; the explanation, 421.

Yet, 216 of the law's 1,071 pages deal with a project not directly aimed at short-term economic stimulus, and these 216 pages were themselves divided into two distinct parts (139 pages in "Division A" of the law and 77 pages in "Division B").

Together, these 216 pages provide the legal framework for collecting every American's personal medical records into a federally coordinated electronic system.

As first pointed out in a Feb. 9 Bloomberg.com commentary by former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey, it is reasonable to assume that this electronic-records system, together with a provision that creates a "Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research," sets the stage for the creation of a nationalized health-care system that engages in British-style rationing.

But even if Congress and the president restrain themselves and pass no further law in pursuit of socialized medicine for the United States, the provisions already enacted in this law raise significant questions about the right to privacy and the right of doctors to practice medicine according to their best judgment.

Division A includes a section called "Title XIII -- Health Information Technology," which provides for "the development of a nationwide health information technology infrastructure."

In the law's jargon, this infrastructure is supposed to allow for the "enterprise integration" of the "qualified electronic health record" of "each person in the United States by 2014."

What do "qualified electronic health record" and "enterprise integration" mean? A "qualified electronic health record," the law says, "means an electronic record of health-related information on an individual that -- (A) includes patient demographic and clinical health information, such as medical history and problems lists; and (B) has the capacity -- (i) to provide clinical decision support; (ii) to support physician order entry; (iii) to capture and query information relevant to health care quality; and (iv) to exchange electronic health information with, and integrate such information from other sources."

This mandate that your "electronic health record" (EHR) be able to communicate with "other sources" goes to the definition of "enterprise integration." This term, the law says, "means the electronic linkage of health care providers, health plans, the government and other interested parties to enable electronic exchange and use of health information among all the components in the health care infrastructure in accordance with applicable law."

The law directs an existing bureaucracy created by President Bush (the "Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology") to put together a plan for building this system so that it achieves the "utilization of an electronic health record for each person in the United States by 2014."

In plain English: Over the next five years, the Obama administration intends to create a federally run electronic exchange that includes every American's "medical history and problems lists."

Now, before you run out to the nearest federal office and sign up to put the "medical history and problems" lists for yourself, your spouse and your children into the government's "nationwide health information technology infrastructure," you should know the law does not require you -- as an individual -- to do this.

The "explanatory statement" for Division A explains this. "To the extent that this section calls the national coordinator to ensure that every person in the United States have an EHR by 2014, this goal is not intended to require individuals to receive services from providers that have electronic health records and is aimed at having the national coordinator takes steps to help providers adopt electronic health records," says the explanation. "This provision does not constitute a legal requirement on any patient to have an electronic health record."

But if the national coordinator cannot make you -- an individual -- submit your records to the system, how is the poor guy going get "an electronic health record for each person in the United States by 2014"?

This mystery created by 139 pages in Division A is solved by the 77 pages in Division B: The secretary of health and human services is given a carrot and stick to make doctors and hospitals create EHRs for their patients. Doctors and hospitals that make "meaningful use" of EHRs by the deadline get bonus payments from Medicare. Those that do not get diminishing Medicare payments.

What is "meaningful use"? That is at the discretion of the secretary of HHS, but the law says it will include "electronic prescribing," "the electronic exchange of health information to improve the quality of health care" and submitting information "on such clinical quality measures and such other measures as selected by the secretary."

Lastly, the law directs the secretary to ratchet up the "meaningful use" test as time goes on. Or as the "explanation" politely puts it: "The secretary would seek to improve the use of electronic health records and health care quality by requiring more stringent measures of meaningful use over time."

In other words, once the secretary has your medical file in the system, he is supposed to make your doctor do ever more with it at his command.

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Oh my
The federal government is going to carry out a Bush era plan to make it easier for the various groups that provide you medical services to access your accurate medical records. And this was all reported in inaccurate form by a politician with a habit of misdescribing health care issues. The sky is falling.

Can't conservatives find real problems with the stimulus bill to attack?

Government health care
Lon, it sounds like you are ok with the government getting more info on you. Have at it, just don't tell me to follow.

Stimulus
It would be interesting for you to study and quote what some very distinguished Economist have to say about the necessity of a stimulus bill. Most agree that this is not large enough to correct our finanical problems. Most also agree that if we do not try to create new jobs and new research in new forms of energy, then we are in for a major DEPRESSION.

I wish that your ranting about unnecessary speending would have been leveled at the TARP, That was proposed be the Bush Administration. The half they spent was not controlled at all, no over sight.

If the ceo`s of our major banks and finanicial institutions where as quick to cut their salaries and bonuses as the Republicans are at demanding middle class people will have to just suffer their job losses and home forclosures for the good of the Nation

Raymond,
get a clue.
Try to get your facts straight or tell the truth.
Just stating something doesn't make it true.
Most of the people on this sight know more than enough to dispute the drivel you posted, so go away if you cannot engage in honest conversation.

George ...

Orwell is soooooooooooooo proud! And to think, 1984 is only coming 30 years late, in 2014 (close enough for government work ... and your life-saving surgery as well).

Encroaching government
And so Big Brother gathers ever more information about each one of us, the better to control all aspects of our lives. Our Founding Fathers, who stressed the freedom of the individual above all else, must be rolling in their graves. Obama and his evil, grasping ilk desire nothing less than complete power over all American citizens. We fought the Revolutionary War to rid ourselves of kings. The time grows ever closer when we are going to have to fight another revolution to throw off the yoke of overweening government and regain our privacy and our freedom.

Maybe I'll get lucky....
and die before 2014. We have enough trouble with insurance companies denying service because it affects their bottom line. As this bipartisan intrusion into our private lives grows we will have some government funcionary deciding our medical treatement based on some ethereal criteria that cannot be determined by either logic or common sense.

The solution to health care costs is to reduce subsidization - by either government or private insurance. Get the national government completely out of health care (it's unconstitutional) and reduce health insurance to emergency/catastrophic coverage. Let the individuals pay for routine medical care; costs almost certainly will go down as the administrative overload goes down. Also, since "defensive medicine" raises costs, put common sense restrictions on medical malpractice lawsuits.

Ration Heath care:: Implant Chips

Obama's objective
1. ration heath care:
2. force abortions to control population
3. forced injections of who knows what
4. forced impanting chips to control your kids, grandchildren.\

and who knows what other sinister plans he has for US

BRAVE NEW WORLD

the date has arrived:

Read it and weep !

The hypocrisy
of libs that were so opposed and screaming that our rights were being violated during the Patriot Act phase now they fall right in party line to accept with glee the most intrusive gathering of personal data ever performed against US citizens.

Google announces a new system to allow you to map your friends movements on a map using satelittle technology and cell phone towers and you don't hear a peep out of the Civil Rights whiners from the politicians, ACLU or libs.

The scoialist school system, MSM and ACLU have done their job in brain washing and hiding the truth and founding of this country.

Wake Up America




Obama...Medical Records
Medical Records today and criminal and employment history, political inclinations from magazines subscribed to, charitable donations, and on and on and on - - - - BIG BROTHER he be heah, Bubbas, so knuckle down and fall in line, etc.

I suspect
they will succeed just fine in spending how ever many billions of dollars are allocated to this project, but in the end there will be nothing to show for it. It will all go down the bit bucket.

Mr. Jeffrey
As a physician who has cared for patients for nearly 42 years and still has an active license to practice medicine, as a fiscal conservative who doesn’t want to waste a dime on worthless endeavors, as one who loves personal freedom and strongly believes in the power of private enterprise, as one who knows what both short term and long term improvements in physical and mental health can be achieved through the combined efforts of honest and knowledgeable doctors and patients, and as one who has cared for numerous critically ill and injured patients in hospital emergency departments with little or no background information available, I am 100% in favor of developing Electronic Health Records for every American citizen and applaud those who will bring medical records in our great country into the 21st century.
In my opinion, developing a framework for Electronic Health Records for every citizen - like the military, the police, and the fire department- is something that only government can and should do. If done well – and it’s up to all of us to see that it is done well - it can be transformational in efficiently and effectively caring for patients, and once in place will save an enormous amount of time and a ton of money. Like the telephone and the computer, we will someday wonder how we ever got along without them.

Massive Future Medical Troubles...
This nonsense was done to the masses deliberately; Liberals, explain please:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/repeal-fire-safe-cigarette -laws

Now, Nanny-state found a back door to commit genocide (you will have to type this in, as there is no www): http://nfpa.typepad.com/firesafecigarettes/

SIMPLE, It's VOLUNTARY, Just Say NO!
====

Funny though, EMR "DATA SHARING" has been GOING ON FOR YEARS IN THE GOVERNMENT.


INCLUDING:

The LARGEST INTEGRATED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM in the country, The DEPT. of VETERANS AFFAIRS, USES IT and HAS FOR YEARS.(1)

HHS, MEDICARE and MEDICAID Services, is NOW STARTING.(2)

MANY STATES, have ALREADY STARTED enacting legislation to begin different types.(3)

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1) http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=589

2) https://questions.cms.hhs.gov/cgi-bin/cmshhs.cfg/php/endus er/std_alp.php?p_sid=NVJJdMqj&p_lva=&p_li=&p_accessibility= 0&p_redirect=&p_page=1&p_cv=&p_pv=&p_prods=0&p_cats=&p_hidd en_prods=&prod_lvl1=0&p_search_text=Health+Record&srch_btn_ submit=%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0Search%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0&p_new_sea rch=1&p_search_type=answers.search_nl

3)http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/forum/hitch/HIE_networks.htm


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NOW, when this provision seeks a more UNIFIED SYSTEM for GOVERNMENT EMR "DATA SHARING", YOU BEGIN TO WORRY.

NOW, when you actually have the option to JUST SAY "NO" to GOVERNMENT EMR "DATA SHARING", YOU BEGIN TO WORRY.

EVERYONE should just "OPT OUT".
EVERYONE!

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Tricare
I've dealt with it for years. I'd LOVE to see American liberals having to wait for hours in line just to see a doctor, then being told that the government was not going to pay for whatever it is they want done.

Of course, wealthy liberals would just fly to some clinic overseas to get their procedures done, avoiding the very system that they foisted off on the less fortunate masses.

Doesn't this violate HIPAA?
I work in a call center for the eye insurance industry, & we have to comply to HIPAA regulations & confirm 3 pieces of personal information regarding our members before we can release personal info. Wouldn't this huge Federal Databasze be in direct conflict with the existing HIPAA laws regarding the privacy of one's medical records?

SOCIALISM IS HERE
All I can say is if the American people allow this to go on,then we deserve what ever the outcome.

jim
knuckle down and fall in line.?
we are worse off than I thought!

LON
Well now....you libs were and still are all up in arms about big brother monitoring our phone calls and e-mails.. BUT, you are all just hunky dory allowing our medical records to include psychiatric records to be perused by $12.00/hour 19 or 20 yr old clerks likely with barely a high school education. Does the IRONY escape you......IDIOT!!!!!

To afuel
"The hypocrisy of libs that were so opposed and screaming that our rights were being violated during the Patriot Act phase now they fall right in party line to accept with glee the most intrusive gathering of personal data ever performed against US citizens."

But there is a difference: those folks don't want government gathering info in order to protect us from a threat that 'doesn't exist', or was only caused by our own 'neocolonial policies' -- and this is how very many liberals regard the war on terror.
The health care thing is a plan intended to better coddle us and take care of us like helpless little wards of the state, and thus is entirely in line with liberal ideology.

Thus it is not contradictory at all for some liberals to resist the one and champion the other. Their assumptions and goals may be harmful or in error, but the position under discussion is internally consistent.

Frankly, an electronic database as described *would* be potentially very helpful. However, as a soldier who cringes slightly every time word gets out that one government agency or another has 'misplaced' the personal information of tens of thousands of servicemembers, I am convinced that the demonstrable threat should give everyone pause when considering this action.

Reduce Population
A good way to get rid of the elderly. Greed always wants to control. Hello democrats.

Michael Moore
I forgot to mention government control health care revolves from slob Michael Moore playing on AARP and the elderly. He had them sold but not that it's to late they are seeing the light.

Amazing
Notice how most of the first posts on TH comments are nutty libs? Do these people work? The same mutton heads show up early on every article I read.
I sure wish I could sit in front of my computer all day and not have to work, so I can defend the indefensible and call anyone who disagrees idiots.

To kerijay
Nah, liberals were slobbering over the thought of gov-controlled health care before Michael Moore came to public attention.

To M
Even more to the point: don't these internetprogs have ANYTHING they take joy in doing, other than revolve around conservatives and argue?
The compulsion they feel to go to a place they aren't wanted, in order to interact with people they despise, seems rather pathological.

It is this that suggests to me that most of them are motivated by no higher purpose than abnegation of the ideals of others -- a more poverty-stricken character I cannot imagine.

Speaking of work
Gotta go; see you guys later.

Lon
Yes conservatives can find a lot of problems with this entire bill.
First of all spending on infrastructure, which was what we were told would be a large part of the bill is minimal at best. Second expenditures like 30 million for the meadow mouse have nothing to do with stimulating anything except Nancy Pelosi. Instead of worrying about the medical records right now create jobs with infrastructure rebuilding as promised. Also more food stamps and more welfare certainly are not a good thing. Giving money to people that do not pay taxes is a joke. I know the old line about them paying social security taxes. Have you heard we need that money, that program is broke. Yes we conservatives can find plenty of problems I don't have enough room here to list them all.

Talli2long
Hurry back....we need all of our soldiers.

Dr. Refatsew
Regardless of the efficacy this would bring to the practice of medicine, the implications are staggering. And to presume that a bureaucratic endeavor could be done well is utter fantasy. The potential for abuse is bad enough; the fact that this is setting up the nation's medical machine for a systematic expropriation of health care far outweighs the benefits.

Refatsew in CA
Fiscal conservative, social leftie. You've been on the government dole (Medicare, Medicaid) for so long you don't mind the government telling you what sort of care is appropriate. After all, the feds and the insurance companies have been doing that for years. Now they will be able to develop the capability to personalize it for each patient, rather than by illness or treatment. Why waste a total hip replacement on an 80 year old man who has atherosclerosis and emphysema (not to mention he smoked for 35 years). He'll die soon anyway, so why worry about spending the money on making his remaining years more comfortable and mobile.

If you were served with a subpoena for medical records, you would have your lawyer attempt to quash the subpoena on the basis of these being private business records. And the courts would tell you that the records belong to the patients (a long established ruling in federal courts nationwide). So you have no problem with placing the medical records of your patients in the hands of the federal government, or any other entity which a future HHS Secretary's staffer decides is a "good idea" (and let's not forget hackers) without the permission of the patient.

You are in no way a conservative. You are a cheap leftist.


Various and sundry bailouts
If we had to bailout anyone these last several months, we probably just should have sent every taxpayer a check for $10,000. The money would have been spent much more efficiently, and would have positively affected public perception of the economy.
But wait! That isn't what this is about.
This is about destroying the economy so everyone is dependent on government and believers in big government have absolute power. This health provision is right in line with all of that! Open your eyes, people! How can any honest person fail to see this?!?
Thanks, Townhall, for having the most comprehensive coverage I have seen!

Re: Communism of the Medical field!!
Yesiree, this is what I said for a long time and I will continue to do so because all the people that are coming out of the colleges now are brained washed to believe that Socialism is not such a bad thing and that nationalization of the econ. is ok-CRAP!!! This is the worst thing for people to have pushed down their throats that have had a capitalistic society for me this is one more thing that tells me that there is a revolution coming and to get my things in order!!!

Bizarro World strikes again

Only a group that can justify murdering an unborn baby, but oppose the death penalty for convicted murders, can also fight tooth and nail the monitoring of suspected terrorist's phone calls and emails, but have no issue with letting the government have all our personal health information.

Think hard about it libtards. You might not want everyone knowing about you and that unfortunate incident with your pet gerbil requiring the late night trip to the ER with your "friend" Brucey.

I HOPE
I hope there is someone out there who is gathering up the step by step chronicles of the killing of America. Something like the rise & fall of the Roman empire. To be sure there many qualifying events leading up to the coronation of the messiah. But if someone is watching and recording the details of how the left is dismantling this country this person will either A- Have a bestselling book ever. OR B- disappear from the face of the earth along with their book never to be seen again. I would suspect choice B.

It has been in practise
actually for a few years now. I haven't received a hand-written prescription in 3 years. My Doctor comes in says hello and turns to the computer in the exam room. Then after my files up and in front of him asks me what brought me in to see him. Face it the medical profession has already done this to make their records easier. Not always better. How many times have you received duplicate bills after you have already paid the first one. Or charges were added to your bill that you did not receive because of computer generated bills? If a computer makes a mistake you could end up with the wrong script or be charged for another persons bill because of similar information that gets put on your records. This happened to me and it took over a year to convince the billing dept. that I was not an 88 year old woman living in a nursing home. We are in deep doo-doo if this how we are to be treated by our Doctors and heaven forbid we get into an accident and can't tell them our middle initial is different than the one shown on some chip and receive meds that could do us harm or death. Medical errors cannot be left to this system.

The truth is
If Obama declared today that all calls will be monitored for terrorist activity, the libs would applaud it.

Corndog
You nailed it,I can go to work now smiling!

I used to laugh
at the idiots with bumper stickers reading "fascism will come to America wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross". My thought at the time was, NO moron, you're about to elect it in the form of a Marxist tool with questionable birth records and a lot of vile, unsavory and anti American friends. Liberal idiocy truly knows no bounds.

So let's see
So they're using our tax dollars in Medicare, to bribe for compliance in a "law" that they can't legally force compliance in ?
So they can't just force the doctors to hand over all the medical records ?
Instead they threaten that they won't pay the bills they owe the doctors, unless the doctors hand over private records...
They've already forced Medicare into the system, now, they use what they've created, by threatening to shirk on promised payment, the money for which they stole from some other people...
I have no respect for them anymore. They are now nothing in my eyes. Mere criminals like the gang bangers or mafias.
" We won't pay our bill unless you commit this egregious act for us that you don't wnt to do, and have sworn not to ".
I guess they just need to die at this point.

change you can believe in
freedom to fascism

the obama way

UncleB
I am not fine with government officials perusing my medical records. I am fine with the actual provision in the bill. There is a difference between being bothered by a bill and being bothered by the lies told by the opponents of a bill.

One can get an explanation of the difference here for example. http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month =02&year=2009&base_name=lies_damn_lies_and_betsy_mccau#1128 91

This fascist law
is just a first step. I used to call the DFL Dipsticks-Felons-liars, I was mistaken. It should rear Dictators-Felons-Liars.
Kirk
I tried to work in tax cheat, but fig. felon works.
Kirk

Diane
Why are you responding to my point that opponents of the bill are making up stories instead of addressing the actual bill by repeating the fiction about an earmark for mouse research in Pelosi's district. That is another bit of debunked nonsense (as is the fiction of an earmark for a high speed train from LA to Vegas. There is money in the bill for high speed trains, but they are more likely to wind up in the northeast, because plans for high speed trains are more advanced in the northeast, and that is the actual standard for spending.)

Whether food stamps are a good thing I suppose depends on whether one thinks it is a good thing that poor children eat. I tend to, so I am not sure of where your scorn for it comes from.

The bill has always been proposed as a mix between various kinds of ways of injecting money into the system. Aid to states was high on the list from the start. Infrastructure was limited by the number of projects ready to go in the next year or two. And tax cuts makes up 1/3 of the bill. I am not sure why you think the stimulus bill was supposed to be something else.

But at least, except for the fictional mouse bit, your comment at least addresses the actual bill, so it is an improvement on the article above.

Escape
Having reached the tender young age of four score I may escape this "Duty To Die" law.
Insurance Companies will love it. The Feds and their statistics will be behind every decision
not to fund statisticaly unlikely treatments no
matter how large or small.

CONSTUTIONAL AUTHORIY
CONSTUTIONAL AUTHORITY

Where does Obama and the Democrats acting as the Federal Government get the authority to impose manditory collection of personal medical rcords. Mandating by force of penalty that doctors submit information of their patient's health? The Constution set limits on the Federal Government, WHERE ARE THEY? WHO OUT THERE WILL TAKE UP THIS TASK ? PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND ACT !!!!!!!!

Larry H.
Michigan

At Long Last
Have you people no shame?

The purpose of this provision is to do two things.

One, it is intended to increase the efficiency of the flow of medical information. Second, it is intended to increase the accuracy of those records. It is a major cost savings and safety effort which Obama clearly outlined in his campaign.

Suppose you and your family move from Oklahoma to Mississippi, in search of a better life. When you get there, Uncle Arvid has a heart problem.

In the Republican world, your new doctor writes to your old doctor, which takes days, and then the old doctor copies his records, which takes more time and money, and then the old doctor mails them to the new doctor, taking more time and money. So in three weeks, you get paper copies in the mail, which may or may not be complete or in a useful format.

In Obama's world, your new doctor calls up Arvid's records electronically, instantaneously and at almost no cost.

You would all prefer to continue a high cost, high mistake system rather than recognize that anything Obama proposes makes sense

Conservatives tend to be so ideological that they can't tell good from bad or sensible from stupid. Noen of you care a lick about this process. All you know is that your propaganda leaders have told you its bad.


States rights
The Contitution does not give the power to the feds to do this, nor anything else that's in the "stimulus bill". Remember- enumerated rights for the fed and all other to the states, where we can locally better control what they try to do to us. So, is there an organization that right now is filing legal action to force SCOTUS to declare this bill unconstitutional?

And while they are at it, force BO to reveal his valid, long form, "vault" birth certificate to prove he was born in the US. The fact he's spending a million to keep it secret is proof he was born in Kenya and everything he is doing is illegal!

Response to "At Long Last"
John in Pennsylvania,

The issue concerns two major and equally valid points: (1) efficiency, and (2) privacy. Let's debate the issue openly, honestly, and, yes, ideologically. Obama's world is one of a tight centrally controlled government that promises to be efficient and socially just. The danger lies, however, in too much central control.

NAIVE
JOHN YOU ARE SO NAIVE - THEY ARE COLLECTING THIS DATA SO THEY CAN DETERMINE "THE BEST " TREATMENT. THEN WE WILL HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE AUSTRALIA, WHERE PEOPLE ARE DENIED CITIZENSHIP BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SLOW CHILD, CANADIANS WHO COME TO THE US BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET TIMELY TREATMENT AT HOME, AND THE UK WHERE THEY CAN'T GET TREATMENT.
THEY STARTED WITH ABORTION, NOW THEY WILL MOVE TO ENDING YOU LIFE BY DENYING TREATMENT IN OLD AGE. YOU JUST WON'T BE WORTH THE INVESTMENT ANY MORE.

Fred and Edward
Fred:
“Regardless of the efficacy this would bring to the practice of medicine, the implications are staggering. And to presume that a bureaucratic endeavor could be done well is utter fantasy”.
In the case of a real emergency do you like being able to call 911 and have police, fire, or emergency medical personnel rush to your aid? These services as well as the US military are all delivered- if imperfectly- by necessary government bureaucracies.
“The potential for abuse is bad enough; the fact that this is setting up the nation's medical machine for a systematic expropriation of health care far outweighs the benefits.”
I disagree. Previously there was fear and uncertainty about the security and privacy of online banking and the online use of credit cards. But those potential problems seem to have been overcome and those services seem to be secure and work well.
Americans want to be able to choose their doctors and hospitals and be treated efficiently and effectively and for less cost. Creating 21st century Electronic Health Records for American citizens who want them will help significantly.

Edward: Name calling is what some frustrated brains (particularly in children) seem to resort to when they are unwilling or unable to argue rationally.

Neil
I would be glad to discuss the reality of the proposal and its possible outcomes.

The US spends more on health care, as a precentage of GDP, than most other nations, even in the developed world. As our population ages, that number can only go up. The federal involvement in medical care for the aged promises to be a staggering burden.

If we do not seek to control those costs, they will overwhelm us. Modernizing and streamlining medical records is one part of that effort and, I submit, is a virtual necessity.

Added to that are the complications arising from innaccurate or untimely access to records. For example, a co-worker recently helped her mother exit a hospital. The discharge instructions were wrong, and she was accidentally taken off a critical medecine. At a recent dr's visit, I was attended to by a doctor who had the wrong file and chart in hand and instead of discussing a minor surgery was asking me about (someone else's) erectile dysfunction. Happy to say we straightened that out.




John in PA

Purpose is to 1) increase efficiency and 2) improve accuracy?

YGTBSM
What government program are they going to model it after....social security?

Come back and post when the drugs wear off.

shamefully wasteful
Remembering how WA state spend millions trying to tie together a health records program, and it didn't work, after numerous requests for more money and then more money to try to get this system working makes me wonder how much this program will actually cost. Like most $25 nails the government buys, this monster of a plan will produce the same effects of the Medicare and Medicaid systems, access to a system that will cause $70+ million dollars a day in fraud claims and billings when it's finally complete. Not accounting the fraud to our welfare system, SCHIP and just about every other government program we have, this money would be better spend fixing those 'broken' systems first.

Sci-Fi is soooo prophetic sometimes!!
Years ago I read a novel based on the Star Trek series (Next Generation) that parallels this situation. The "guest" character was a rebellious Federation citizen the rest considered insane and dangerous. Why? Because he wanted to be LEFT ALONE.

He rejected the cradle to the grave Federation society and its lack of a monetary system or even a recognizable economy. Ever notice they NEVER mentioned money? Wealth? The only characters who did engage i commerce were the detestable Ferengi whom I assume were stand-ins for Conservative.

They perverted every conservative principle in creating those characters. The "Rules of Acquisition"? Why not call it the "Road to Prosperity"? Because prosperity is good and people like it. The WORD "wealth" has come to mean something sinister in and of itself.

Remember "Greed is good"? Well if you substitute "prosperity" and "security" for "greed" it IS good and the terms are not so far apart in practice. This is more socialism being spoon-fed to skulls full of mush by the Left.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

I may need chain mail
after my last post!!LOL

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

"Republican world"
"In the Republican world, your new doctor writes to your old doctor, which takes days, and then the old doctor copies his records..."

In MY "Republican world", we have telephones, fax machines, and standards for electronic medical records already in place, and already being used, WITHOUT the Orwellian, government mandate!

next dozen computers that might be built

WOW, I recommend a law that says people will be permitted to live until they die. If they say they want to suffer to extend their days, that's up to them.

If the patient wants to forget the Brainwashing we all receive that we must live until all the suffering that can be accomplished by unthinking relatives and doctors are complete, that is up to them.

Then the patient is considered a failure for not permitting more suffering that could have been accomplished by the insertion of more tubes and wires.

Some say "Let God take you." and I say "Let God keep you alive" not a bunch of fools with a bunch of pills, wires, and tubes.
========

Back in the mid 1950s, when I worked at the RAND Corp., I attended a meeting where they were trying to imagine what could be done with the next dozen computers that might be built.

Most suggested some engineering or mathematical problem. I suggested that computers could make a big improvement in Medical Care. When asked for a specific, I responded:

Create a group of Medical organizations, such as the hospitals and doctors in a given area, store all information available about drugs, and list the patients in that general area, and the specific drug they were taking.

The computer would make an analysis as to which drugs could be combined, and which should, not.

Whenever a patient complained of a problem, that would be posted, and checked to see who else had that problem. If it could be determined that a combination of drugs might be the problem, all patients who were taking that set of drugs, were notified.

Likewise, when someone reported an excellent combination of drugs, or a new drug, notify all doctors with patients taking any of those drugs, and let them know of the possible good result.

This could go on and on, but you must understand what I had in mind. I have discussed this with a dozen doctors, and they all like the idea.


Bipartisan?
"As this bipartisan intrusion into our private lives grows "

Bipartisan? Since when did zero Representatives and 3 RINO Senators (out of 41) constitute "bipartisan"?

insurance companies
already have all your records. I even heard on (gasp) right wing radio commercials advertising companies that will let you have a computer disc with your med records so you can give them directly to your doctor.

see http://www.myphr.com/

I HAVE BEEN IN THE TRENCHES
I am a registered nurse working in one of the top five health care systems in the US. Yes we are moving to computers and yes my primary MD does have all of my records on computer. It is handy in many ways. My concern is that these records are not going throughout the USA. We can't even keep our credit card numbers safe!!! Computer hacking has become so commonplace it is almost considered "normal"
Now if you happen to have a more "acceptable disease" such as cancer that is horrible enough however what if you have HIV? AIDS? do you really want someone accessing that information. You may think you don't know anyone who is infected with the HIV virus but I can assure you you most likely do--you just do not know it!
And what happens when the system crashes? Perhaps the consumer has to be a bit more responsible in keeping any up to date medical history available after all we should all know what is happening in/to our bodies.
WAY too much big brother!!!

medical records????
no barry,wants more motown records.

Kenya II?
Why are so many posts related to accepting what isn't American? We have a usurper in office whose intent is to kill us off, one by one, so that his comrades can overtake our nation.

Stand up, fellow American, and help take back our constitutional rights. For God's sake, RISE UP and overcome,,,,,,,,YES WE CAN!!!

Just one more thing
Making my medical records electronic would be nice in the real world or a real society but in our day and age the likelihood that some hacker will use this new technology for evil or negative purposes. They never used technology for the better, they generally use it for bad and eventually they will abuse that new technology wherein new laws will be put in place to identify the issues and try to stop the abuse. So having some twisted hacker start playing around with medical records by changing dosage of medication, giving someone the wrong diagnosis on purpose will be in our future. And don’t tell me that they won’t because there are always some jerk who pay someone to do it. You can put up firewalls and security programs to stop the hackers, but they are always two steps ahead of commercial technology.

to refatsew
I am curious over those 42 years how many patients you had to let die because insurance said it was not worth saving them. Did you provide care anyway? If gov says to let me die will you then consider that justification for letting me die? As Tom Daschle indicated in his book this is how we should appoach national healthcare. The elderly or chronically ill should just accept that death is near and forego expensive treatment so as not to cheat the system. Nationalizing our records is just the first step in reaching that end. I am utterly shocked that you would support this type of intrusion. I have no problem with records that are available to all medical doctors and facilities as long as government stays out of it, but we both know that will not happen. Gov maintaining those records will mean gov control of our healthcare and that will not be good for anyone ND ESPECIlly someone like me. I have cancer and me and my Doctor should decide when to stop treatment, not some gov beaurocrat who thinks they are the guardian and savior of the SYSTEM.

It was...
a coup. The whole TARP was a bloodless coup.

refatsew
I don't give a damn about your medical and political learnings, experience, or leanings. There are plenty of PRIVATE services that will gladly keep your personal medical history, blood type, and other info such as emergency contacts on file. Their customer wears an emergency bracelet notifying emergency personnel how to access that info. I know this as my son wears one while he trains for triathalons and whenever he is on his motorcycle. The fact is, VERY LITTLE history is needed or useful in a trauma situation where stabilizing the patient is the first goal. And, for that, you don't even need to know the blood type of that person. Further, it is rare that a family member cannot be found quickly through the injured person's ID or cellphone. Your argument is nothing more than fear mongering made to look good by your credentials. I DON'T BUY IT and anyone who does is a fool.

In the meantime, does this bill now negate that crap HIPPA program where one must sign a gazillion papers saying they have rights to their own medical records under certain terms and conditions while others can have them provided by certain laws? I will not go to a doctor who would computerize my chart and I make a point of telling any hospital on my permission to treat they they may not do so either. To hell with them all.

Taillil2long #52:
I, too, have and do deal with Tricare, CHAMPUS prior to that, and military hospitals before my husband retired.
I have had Army docs tell me, "I don't know what it is but she's got it again," when taking a sick child to the clinic for care.
CHAMPUS refused to pay for a root canal on a broken tooth that resulted from a fall on our then 11 year old daughter because she was "not pregnant."
Any exam like yearly breast exams must be approved ahead of time. Elsewise, you'll pay for it yourself!
I am 66 years old and have a chronic illness of 50 years duration, plus I am a conservative. I have no illusions that I will be spared "the final solution" for America's elderly.

refatsew
It all sounds nice at the outset, but we may pay dearly for convenience. I suggest you read Thomas Sowell's column today - he explains how a "benign" government program became heavy-handed and disastrous. The same happened with welfare, and will surely happen with medical care. Socialism is sinister, and though Obama refuses to call it that, it is what it is: government is the answer to everything.

Scary, Scary, Scary
But not surprising at all. Gives me shivers to think of our medical records in the hands of this administration.

Revelation 13:16-18. Not here yet, but it's well on its way. One of the most clear prophecies in Scripture, yet many people still laugh it off when reminded.

Guess that's what's meant by "whistling past the graveyard."

To Loren:
To Loren:
“I am curious over those 42 years how many patients you had to let die because insurance said it was not worth saving them. Did you provide care anyway?” “I have cancer and me and my Doctor should decide when to stop treatment, not some gov beaurocrat who thinks they are the guardian and savior of the SYSTEM.”

I agree with you that you and your doctor should- and I believe always will - decide whether and when to stop any treatment of your condition, regardless of whether you happen to choose to have your medical records set up in an electronic form in a format designed by the US Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology or whether you choose to keep your medical records in the form in which they currently exist.

To answer your question: I have never had any insurance carrier or health plan tell me as a physician to “let that patient die”. And despite all the hysteria and fear mongering about the “government taking over medical care” -I can’t conceive of that ever happening. End of life decisions are made by the patient, and when necessary, by the patient’s family after knowledgeable physicians explain whatever options may exist.


Is Lon in “The John”?

John: PA  Feb 18, 2009 - 10:43 AM EST

“At Long Last Have you people no shame? The purpose of this provision is to do two things. One,...increase the efficiency... of medical information. Second,...increase the accuracy of those records. It is a major cost savings... “

John goes on to talk about a “Republican World” and some arcane private sector “Snail-Mail” transfer of records!

In the “Real World,” all doctors need is a “Standardized Electronic” transfer format and all PRIVATE medical records can be kept out of the hands of the “Big Brother” at low cost rather than the supposed NO cost (which is a lie).

Any time the government is involved, there will be a tax, a fee and/or A COST. Obama's new law must be repealed as soon as the Congress is changed in 2010.

There is too much at stake here with respect to the Secular Humanist and Eugenics Agenda, to listen to Liberal Propaganda from the likes of Lon and John. Texas John gets it, PA John is clueless!

AND “Eugenics Jim” (CA) well he is in a world all by himself. YES, Jim may or may not be on drugs, but he sure is focused on them. Pay attention Jim, DOCTORS SHOULD NOT KILL THEIR PATIENTS. Listen to Darla Location: FL  Feb 18, 2009 - 1:18 PM EST

AND just for the record, I happen to be a “Reagan Democrat”

MerryColin: 2:53 PM
If you are fearful of having your medical records set up in an electronic format designed by the US Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, of course, you can refuse. It’s your choice. But the majority of Americans may well decide that this is a wise thing to do in order to very significantly increase the efficiency and decrease cost of healthcare.

"Let God take you."

Michael W. Location: ME
Reply # 73
Date: Feb 18, 2009 - 6:51 PM EST
Pay attention Jim, DOCTORS SHOULD NOT KILL THEIR PATIENTS.
==========

Could you quote any time and place where I suggested that DOCTORS SHOULD … KILL THEIR PATIENTS.

I say, "Let God take you." and "Let God keep you alive" not a bunch of fools with a bunch of pills, wires, and tubes.

EMR
We are an over medicated,over doctored, unhealthy society who depend on an unhealthy relationship with a professional who knows less about health than most 8th graders. Physicians know about medications and what they know about them comes from the pharmaceutical representative who brings them lunch and takes them on vacation and God only knows what else. If a medical practice was monitored for any time it would be immediately evident which drug rep had been in and what they were peddling. As a Clinical Nurse Specialist I know how medical "care" is delivered; not well is the answer and getting worse.
I think staying away from doctors unless there is an absolute need.......a coronary; an auto accident requiring emergency care; a cardiovasular accident..you have my picture...a medical emergency or serious suspicion that one has a serious illness. Otherwise Prevention is the best remedy and that is not Lipitor or any of the other so called preventative medications in my estimation. One should engage in self care, healthy practices and healthy thinking rather than fear based attendance to a doctor's office. The number and amount of medications that Americans take is abominable and far from necessary. Now to the EMR; as a health care provider in "private" practice this is a scary deal; who knows what the information gathered from my services could be used to do. Ugh!

If you think health care is expensive. .
NOW, wait until it's free.

Penny
You are correct about prevention. Regarding your disparaging remarks about doctors - you are either lying about your profession or you need to expand your work experience.

If you think health care is expensive. .
IT IS! Yes sirree, that Bush economy is doing wonders. Why just the other day my wife and I were talking about how she could quit her teaching job and come work with me, but we would lose healthcare for her and the baby, so she must keep her job whether she wants to or not.

Do you have any idea what it costs to insure one family?

So if you think health care is expensive now, that would be because it couldn't be any more expensive without mass marches in the streets. 30% of my money goes towards paper pushers that do not exist in the "socialist" programs.

No WONDER we are paying more and getting less in the US.

“Eugenics Jim” (CA)

“Some say "Let God take you." and I say "Let God keep you alive" not a bunch of fools with a bunch of pills, wires, and tubes.”

These are YOUR words “Eugenics Jim” not mine.

Those drugs, wires and tubes that keep people alive can ONLY be removed by a DOCTORS ORDER. Get a clue and stop advocating for putting at end to the elderly to may or may not want to die when YOU think it's time.

If you think health care is expensive.
inthemajority (reply #2)
I pay for my wife's and my insurance where I work. It comes out of my paycheck and is not a benefit of the company where I'm employed.
It amounts to over $1300 per month yet I'm glad to pay it as both my wife and I have benefitted from it's coverage. In 2006 I went through about $300,000+ surgery and rehab after I fell off the roof of my house while cleaning gutters that resulted in a crushed elbow in one arm and a broken wrist in the other arm as well as a cracked pelvis.
I had excellent care and treatment as well as rehab that enabled me to not only keep my left arm but the other damaged areas were healed as well. All this enabled me to not only to survive the fall but to return to active life and work with ALL my limbs and I can walk.
We both have had several other operations as well as treatments for ailments along the way.
I cringe to think how things might have been different if some idiot paper shuffler in Foggy Bottom had determined that my surgery and treatment was too expensive for Obamaland to pay for it and require that my left arm be removed as well as my right hand because it was deemed too costly.
And what if I had to wait for treatment due to government paperwork.

Go figure.

We DON"T NEED socialized medicine and I don't want those #$%%^&*$ being privy to my or my wife's medical records. Total invasion of privacy.

EHR is coming
I am a health information management consultant and I glad that your article was so simple and very educational for those that do not fully understand the transition process from paper to the electronic health record. Good article.

Old Tom
"I cringe to think how things might have been different if some idiot paper shuffler in Foggy Bottom had determined that my surgery and treatment was too expensive for Obamaland to pay for it and require that my left arm be removed as well as my right hand because it was deemed too costly."

Some idiot paper pusher is already doing that. He works for the insurance company, and his job is to deny anything possible for the bottom line. You were lucky to get by this Joe.

"And what if I had to wait for treatment due to government paperwork."

Umm. OK, so your type of injury would result in a wait of about 0.00 days in addition to what you had to wait now. Feel better?

Why are Cons so afraid of the lies told to you by O'HannityBaugh? In the US, for every Old Tom story there are five stories where the patient did not receive care or could not afford it, or worse were charged 3x the regular amount because they had to pay out of pocket and cannot bargain.


Intrusive Government waste.

Other that Government intrusion, there is no need for such a program.
Another useless Government Bureaucracy to squander tax money.
Obama's Pork Project will build it but taxpayers will be expected to maintain it forever!

inthemajority
We expect you Alinskyites to come here and verbally masturbate in public.
You always do it on your own sites.
We understand your compulsion to lie.
It is part of the programming they did to you when they dumed you down in that public school.

A quote from Saul Alinsky;
"an Organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have fixed truth -- truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing....
To the extent that he is free of the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations our society presents."

Everyone knows how you have been brainwashed and do not know right from wrong. We pity you.

Thank God...

IN-THE-MAJORITY ISN'T ON THIS THREAD!

inthemajority Location: PA  Feb 18, 2009 - 9:58 PM EST

“Why are Cons so afraid of the lies told to you by O'HannityBaugh? In the US, for every Old Tom story there are five stories where the patient did not receive care or could not afford it, or worse were charged 3x the regular amount because they had to pay out of pocket and cannot bargain.”

Answer: Because WE don't want you Liberal twits and bureaucrats to have access to our records and because we know that the poor can go to an ER and get taken care of (using our tax dollars).

AND MOST OF ALL, WE DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR EUGENICS AGENDA!!!

As Old Tom Location: TN  Feb 18, 2009 - 9:39 PM EST said: “I pay for my wife's and my insurance where I work. It comes out of my paycheck and is not a benefit of the company where I'm employed. It amounts to over $1300 per month yet I'm glad to pay it as both my wife and I have benefited from it's coverage.”

So put a sock in it inthemajority Location: PA


MyOpine
"intrusive government waste"

Err.....I believe Newt want to digitize medical records too.

http://newt.org/EditNewt/NewtNewsandOpinionDB/tabid/102/art icleType/ArticleView/articleId/3635/Default.aspx

Get with the program you commie!


Zipade-Do-Duh Mistaken.

Newt is talking about “THE PRIVATE SECTOR” you pin-head.

Speaker Gingrich urges hospitals to shift to electronic medical records

http://newt.org/EditNewt/NewtNewsandOpinionDB/tabid/102/art icleType/ArticleView/articleId/3635/Default.aspx

“The former speaker of the House visited the Hedges Clinic in Frankfort and then Silver Cross in Joliet. He observed how electronic medical records can link several physicians, caring for the same patient, at different times and different points along the care spectrum.”

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH “BIG BROTHER” AND THE EUGENICS AGENDA!

Jim in CA @ 12:31PM
says:

"Back in the mid 1950s, when I worked at the RAND Corp., I attended a meeting where they were trying to imagine what could be done with the next dozen computers that might be built...

(Blah, blah, blah.)

This could go on and on, but you must understand what I had in mind. I have discussed this with a dozen doctors, and they all like the idea."

--------------------------

And I have to say Jim, I don't know who your doctor friends are, but I wouldn't refer to any of them if that's the way they practiced. Any of them that would buy into practicing based on your hair-brained computer database idea aren't very good doctors. You see Jimmie, it's called the 'healing arts'. Health care is as much 'art' as it is science. It take a well educated, intuitive individual to be a doctor. Why? because we are not machines, Jimmie. We are humans. And while we share a lot of outward and inward similarities, the reality is that no two humans are alike. You can not practice medicine the same way an auto mechanic practices his trade. Having been a doctor for the better part of three decades I know for a fact that as complicated as people and their health challenges are, a doctor needs the freedom to act in his patients best interest and not rely on some cookie cutter, one-size-fits-all method cobbled together by some nebulous government entity.

Sorry. Hooking a bunk of old Cray or Wang mainframes togther is not a good substitute for a well informed and involved doctor. Your little 'Star Trek' senario is a bunch of undigested BS.

Bottom line is, this is your hero: Chairman Maobama, and his neocommie cohorts attempt to gain as much power over you and to subjugate you for their own personal gain.

Welcome to the age of Big Brother.

The Doctor

That was to be a data base

Dr Tom Location: AZ
Reply # 89
Date: Feb 19, 2009 - 12:09 AM EST
===

I sure hope you didn’t jump to conclusions after misreading your patients symptoms, as you did when you misread my comment.

That was to be a data base, filled with information and the experiences of other doctors.

Wouldn’t you like to know that this new pill, that the pill salesman told you to use for this or that, counteracted in very bad manner with some other pill that you might have prescribed for that patient?

All that computer database would do, would store information about interactions between this pill and that. It did not instruct you to do anything, except to read the data and apply it properly to your patients.

I have discussed this with a dozen doctor and pharmacists, and they loved the idea.

No one had ever heard of a Cray or Wang at that time. Hooking a Cray to a Wang would be like hooking a Diesel train engine to a VW Bug.

By the way, I knew Seymour Cray, and in the 1960s, his computers were the fastest and largest computers ever seen by that time.

But I was talking about the early days of computers, not in the ‘60s and ‘70s.

And by the way, this was to be a private computer system, not a government machine.


EHR
EHR may save your life if you have an emergency in a strange city at 2am

Ratsafew @ 6:57 PM
I do not "fear" government having my health records. I SIMPLY DO NOT WISH TO "SHARE" THEM WITH ANYONE! Your condescention in reply is the mark of one who is certain he knows better than I do ABOUT ME! Now ain't that a kicker? You don't know me, don't know if I practice medicine, or run a major hospital but you still assume that you know more than me than I do! Want to cut costs is medicine? 1) DROP ALL INSURANCE PROGRAMS------ nothing adds more to the costs of medical care when the risk is pooled, Drs & hospitals are papered to death, and rates for services are set by the same government programs that you think will save us money. 2) GET THE LAWYERS OUT OF MEDICINE

That should be a good start.

Mike to Mike

Mike Location: AE  Feb 19, 2009 -
12:57 AM EST

“EHR may save your life if you have an emergency in a strange city at 2am”

Response:

I would rather risk it, than have the government control all of our medical records.

AND I'm sure the problem you present can be overcome by doctor based computer based communications technology.

WE MUST KEEP OUR MEDICAL RECORDS IN “PRIVATE” RESPONSIBLE HANDS.

Ever hear of Medic Alert?
My father is diabetic and allergic to some common antibiotics. He carries the card and wears the bracelet at all times. It HAS saved countless lives WITHOUT Big Daddy O'Vomit's intervention.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Michael W.
"Newt is talking about “THE PRIVATE SECTOR” you pin-head."

Ummm...sorry to inform you that 55% percent of all health care costs are paid for by the government. Ever heard of the VA, Medicare, Medicaid.

Did you see the quote below where Newt says "every doctor, hospital", from the article?

"He is working on a proposal to have the industry -- every doctor, hospital, pharmacy -- shift to electronic records by the end of December 2012."

Michael W.
Even Jorge Bush is for it.

http://www.crn.com/healthcare/18825576

"With that in mind, why not build a national Web-based system that requires physicians to enter the patient data,both administrative and clinical,into a repository that would be housed by Medicare? As a result, medical information can be readily accessed by the patient, pharmacist or any physician treating the patient down the road. Gingrich points out that this could happen as early this year because the Bush Administration is weighing an option whereby Medicare would pay for such a system."

Some of you guys are nuts.

You holler and holler about Government intervention in this and that, and the Terrorists class complained that the Govt. listened to phone calls.

But when anyone dare mention Government regulation of the Internet, and you scream bloody murder. Well listen and pay attention, the criminally minded computer programmers are of much more danger to you and yours, than the Government will ever be.

The point in time when Government regulations cause the most problem is when those regulations are removed. Usually needed and not much of a problem when originated; often livable while in operation; but devastating when removed.

The only thing worse than an industry being regulated by the Government, is the stupid management decisions, and users crimes that made Government regulation necessary in the first place!

So what happens?
When the doctors determine that the cost to maintain and EHR system gets too high and the pittance they get from Medicare is too low? My prediction is, fewer doctors accepting Medicare and Medicaid patients, fewer people opting for the medical profession because of government involvement and the cost of mandates. Free healthcare ain't gonna be worth anything if you can't find doctors to provide it. Remember, what do you call a doctor who graduates last in his class from medical school? Doctor.

So this is it
We all knew it wasn't about stimulus, even the Congressmen/en who voted for it sight unseen. So now we know, it was socialized medicine fraud.

Zipity's Zealotry

vs Ken's truth!

Still looking for a “FREE RIDE” aren't you Zipity-Do-Duh? Well, BUSH is gone and all his Neo-Cons are back at work with the “K-Street Mob.”

What part of "Newt is talking about “THE PRIVATE SECTOR” you pin-head" don't you understand. I have no problem with what Newt is working on, PROVIDED the records remain in the “PRIVATE” Sector! We can tract them down and sue them, if something goes wrong, but just try suing the U.S. Government?

Absolutely NO proof of the 55% figure used by zapdoodat Location: MA Feb 19, 2009 - 9:46 AM EST is offered (typical Liberal BS). Anyone using the VA, Medicare, Medicaid can elect NOT to use them if they chose, BUT there should be NO central repository for ALL citizen's medical records left in the tender care of the government (period).

Hopefully, we will be rid of the “Obamanation” all all you Eugenics toads by 2012

Michael W.
"Reagan Democrat"

B.O.'s health "care" plan
Very soon when socialized medicine is a fact, your record will be scrutinized to see if you are worth the effort to help with public funds. If you have outlived your usefulness, tough luck, Charlie. Get your affairs in order ao the government can reap the inheritance tax.

electtonic records
I am a physician and have a very busy surgical practice. There are perhaps four requests per week for medical records from a patient or another physician. I have an electronic means to transmit the appropriate medical record anywhere in the world- the FAX. It is cheap, maintains the privacy of all my patients as I know and retain a copy any records requests, and inappropriate use of my medical records cannot occur. Electronic records are expensive,(approximately $120,000 for an office to go totally paperless), time inefficient (studies have been done in hospitals that have gone paperless and efficiency drops by 20%) and easily divulge the most private medical information. All of us should actively oppose the loss of patient and doctor confidentiality under the guise of availability. I may be wrong, but I think that my patients would prefer my decision making regarding their care over Nancy Peolosi's.
Jane

Jane
" the FAX. It is cheap, maintains the privacy of all my patients as I know and retain a copy any records requests,"

You fool, anyone can tap into your phone line or the company's phone line and siphon off a copy of everything you transmit over the wires.

Dear Jane,

Pay NO attention to Zipity's Zealotry. This is typical “Fly-By” Liberal Pigeon droppings. Please note that she offers NO proof of how an “Encrypted” fax machine would be tampered with OR why a tapped line would not be discovered in an electronics sweep.

We TH posters must put up with these Far-Left Eugenics advocates all the time. They post and run, because they are lonely and I think some of them get off on being verbally slapped down. So, pay them no mind and they will become bored and move-on.

BTW... Thank You for your insightful post
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