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Wednesday, October 08, 2008
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Obama Debate Every American Should See
by Terry Jeffrey
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The most telling debate Barack Obama ever had was not with John McCain but Patrick O'Malley, who served with Obama in the Illinois Senate and engaged Obama in a colloquy every American should read.

The Obama-O'Malley debate was a defining moment for Obama because it dealt with such a fundamental issue: The state's duty to protect the civil rights of the young and disabled.

Some background: Eight years ago, nurse Jill Stanek went public about the "induced-labor abortions" performed at the Illinois hospital where she worked. Often done on Down syndrome babies, the procedure involved medicating the mother to cause premature labor.

Babies who survived this, Stanek testified in the U.S. Congress, were brought to a soiled linen room and left alone to die without care or comforting.

Then-Illinois state Sen. Patrick O'Malley, whom I interviewed this week, contacted the state attorney general's office to see whether existing laws protected a newborn abortion-survivor's rights as a U.S. citizen. He was told they did not.

So, O'Malley -- a lawyer, veteran lawmaker and colleague of Obama on the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee -- drafted legislation.

In 2001, he introduced three bills. SB1093 said if a doctor performing an abortion believed there was a likelihood the baby would survive, another physician must be present "to assess the child's viability and provide medical care." SB1094 gave the parents, or a state-appointed guardian, the right to sue to protect the child's rights. SB1095 simply said a baby alive after "complete expulsion or extraction from its mother" would be considered a "'person, 'human being,' 'child' and 'individual.'"

The bills dealt exclusively with born children. "This legislation was about preventing conduct that allowed infanticide to take place in the state of Illinois," O'Malley told me.

The Judiciary Committee approved the bills with Obama in opposition. On March 31, 2001, they came up on the Illinois senate floor. Only one member spoke against them: Obama.

"Nobody else said anything," O'Malley recalls. The official transcript validates this.

"Sen. O'Malley," Obama said near the beginning of the discussion, "the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as -- as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb."

Obama made three crucial concessions here: the legislation was about 1) a human being, who was 2) "alive" and 3) "outside the womb."

He also used an odd redundancy: "temporarily alive." Is there another type of human?

"And one of the concerns that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not being properly cared for during that brief period of time that they were still living," Obama continued.

Here he made another crucial concession: The intention of the legislation was to make sure that 1) a human being, 2) alive and 3) outside the womb was 4) "properly cared for."

"Is that correct?" Obama asked O'Malley.

O'Malley tightened the logical knot. "(T)his bill suggests that appropriate steps be taken to treat that baby as a -- a citizen of the United States and afforded all the rights and protections it deserves under the Constitution of the United States," said O'Malley.

But to these specific temporarily-alive-outside-the-womb-human beings -- to these children who had survived a botched abortion, whose hearts were beating, whose muscles were moving, whose lungs were heaving -- to these specific children of God, Obama was not willing to concede any constitutional rights at all.

To explain his position, Obama came up with yet another term to describe the human being who would be protected by O'Malley's bills. The abortion survivor became a "pre-viable fetus."

By definition, however, a born baby cannot be a "fetus." Merriam-Webster Online defines "fetus" as an "unborn or unhatched vertebrate" or "a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth." Obama had already conceded these human beings were "alive outside the womb."

"No. 1," said Obama, "whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements of the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term."

Yes. In other words, a baby born alive at 37 weeks is just as much a human "person" as a baby born alive at 22 weeks.

Obama, however, saw a problem with calling abortion survivors "persons." "I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions," said Obama, "because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute."

For Obama, whether or not a temporarily-alive-outside-the-womb little girl is a "person" entitled to constitutional rights is not determined by her humanity, her age or even her place in space relative to her mother's uterus. It is determined by a whether a doctor has been trying to kill her.

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this is not the only aweful thing we have heard about this individual. he has done nothing to help the citizens of illinois that he serves. the only thing he has chosen to do is help himself advance politically, if an issue would not benefit his career, he has not done anything to help it. No matter what anyone says all that has happened during this election is turn the united states into a more racist country than ever before. we are in horrific times and no matter who is elected we are hopeless. if obama becomes president he will be the most powerful racist ever. this will cause an instant civil war in the united states black vs. white leading to the murder of obama. if mccain is voted in, then it will also cause a race war because people voted for him due to the fact they didnt want a black man in that high of a position... and we think we are in trouble now? only god can help us.. please pray for our nation..one nation under god.

Where are the Trolls
I see Volta. She makes the valid point that this is evidence that Obama will be pro-choice. Has anyone, anywhere heard anyone, anywhere defend the denial of care to a baby born alive outside the womb. The only person willing to defend this is Barack Obama. Many people, perhaps Volta, take heart in this evidence. They need not reveal the sinister motivation of their vote. It is frightening that someone would advocate this horrid practice. I am encouraged that I only see one person defending the advocate. In most controversial arguments on TH, we are treated to a wealth of inane discombobulation of democrat talking points and other twisted logic. Here we finally have an issue that shuts their mouth. Let's run it again.

My Son
My son was born premature at 23 weeks.

On AUGUST 14, 1975. 1975!

The Shands Hospital at the University of Florida took my 1 1/2 lb. son into their neonatal unit for four months.

He came home two days before Christmas, at 4 lbs. and became the joy of our lives.

While a fetus in his mother's womb. My son shared her heart and her body.

Life is fragile and precious. At the age of seventeen, he died in an accident.

Oh, but what a life! Thank You for giving me my son Corey.

Mike R
When I was into the Nw Age and extreme liberalism I believed it was O.K. to do abortions because babies were not justifiably fully persons as concerned making right or wrong decisions.

The next logical step was the elderly [alzheimers] the brain-function limited [Terry Schaivo] and the mentally handicapped. I know what Obama's next logical step is because I was there about 20 years ago.. Obama is a liberal. THEREFORE he has by example, an immature, self-obsessed, rebellious, and ultimately monsterous and anti-social nature. [Such as the "our bodies, our choice" LIE]

Oh by the way for those who do not get it. ALL Presidents have been chosen by The Creator of the Universe. Including Clinton, Lincoln, Bush, Harding & so forth.

If B.O. is God's choice, that is the PERFECT indication that the United States will not be recognizable within the first term! You cannot allow 50 million murders of children and just think you are never going to see punishment.

Reagan won the cold war, only to get one-upped by the party of Death, Societal Disintegration, and DimWits.

God help us.

Recovering Liberal

Screwtape @ 846am & Blanco @ 4:07pm
Screwtape: Relax and re-read what Myklk wrote, and you'll see that he was *not* defending Obama. With Obama it is indeed a "he said / he said" situation: first, what he said, on the record; second, what he says later that he had really said, in complete defiance of the record. Myklk added that even were he a Democrat, he could not vote for Obama.

Blanco, irrespective of how you feel about abortion, abortion is not what is under discussion. This is infanticide, a fancy Latin word meaning the outright murder of children. And Barack Obama is on the record as being in favor of it. The man is a monster.

And McCain is a fool if he doesn't beat Obama to death with this in the next and final debate.


Obama the Monster!
A cold blooded communist ba$stard! He should not even be allowed to be in the government!

Aad this is the Monster the %$*^@ Liberals want as the President!!

Well..I guess that's no surprise. Liberals are exactly the same! No wonder they bow down and kiss the feet of this lying Marxist S.O.B!

CHARACTER COUNTS
This testimony reveals the true character of Obama. The man is evil. To make up terms like "pre-viable fetus" to allow it to avoid the protection of the U.S. Constitution so it can be killed is incredulous. The man should be shunned by anyone with an ounce of morality in his or her body.

Sadly, this socialist psychopath will be in the White House, destroying America with the help of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

America: 7/4/1776 - 1/19/2009
Amerika: 1/20/2009 - the revolution

A frightening "Obama Timeline" at:
http://colony14.net/id41.html

An even more frightening list of "What Obama would do..." at:
http://colony14.net/id35.html

Obama is a CRIMINAL!
Obama is a corrupt politician just like those criminals Barney Franks and Chris Dodd who caused this economic mess! Go watch the YouTube video "House of Lies: How Congress Failed Our Economy".

watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2Io

I have been a life long Democrate and Hillary supporter but I will be voting for McCain/Palin this election!

It boggles my mind that the
major Media have buried this story so much, that if brought up now, it will look like an "October Surprise". But it's not that. It's the TRUTH that has yet to come out. Does McCain want to win? I'm starting to think, No. If he did, he would HAMMER THIS ISSUE at EVERY STOP FROM NOW UNTIL ELECTION DAY. McCain has a pro-life record. Obama has THIS record. If McCain is such a wimp as to NOT confront Obama on this issue, then LET OUR SARAH DO IT.
Mom in Wisconsin

Obama is
the third appearance in human form of the Antichrist as predicted by Nostradamus. The second appearance was Adolph Hitler.

David #52: You are right! Just imagine, the JFK assassination was a late term abortion.

evil
What kind of person would leave a baby to die alone on a laundry room floor? An evil person.

Blanco
You may have your mind made up on the abortion issue but the point of the article goes to the charater of Obama. If he is willing to change the definition of a person in order to withhold "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" just because the person happens to be an unwanted baby, it may not impact you. but what happens down the road when he decides to change the definition the claim anyone over 85 no longer have huamn rights or someone born to a poor family, or someone who doesn't agree with him. It's not just about abortion. It's about his changing the definition or making up a new term to fit his adgenda that is unconstitutional.

Well done, Terence!
I am forwarding this article to my contact list...Obama is just a liar...pure and simple.

BLANCO
The real issue is "MORAL CHARACTER". That determines how a person behaves and makes choices. This killing live, American babies deal is a huge character flaw for POTUS.

HIS DAY IS COMING
Obama isn't just pro-choice. With that debate and vote he became a murderer.

God will punish him because I don't see him even asking for forgiveness. I only hope I'm still here to see it.

preserving public funding
For the Leftie such as Obama, the human accrues value with relationships and usefulness.As these diminish, so does the human value.
Leftists worry that capital punishment might kill an innocent (family member), but the fact that diagnoses of vegetative state are wrong 40 percent of the time doesn't matter. A human who isn't fully interactive and "useful" loses value in leftie land, and therefore may be killed. ("Useful" means able to be forklifted to the polls to vote Democrat).

Blanco, you are wrong...
This issue, more that any other is the barometer in which this society will be measured. Safe and legal for whom??? If I were McCain, I would directly confront Obama, (the magical marianette) on stage, over this issue and conclude with a paraphrase from a man of astronomically greater intellect and goodness than that the senator from Illinois possesses. From St. Thomas More, I would tell Obama "sir, it profit a man nothing to sell his soul for the whole world, much less for the presidency".

Not about right and wrong
It's about words.
The enultimate lawyer, so caught up in the legalese and proving a case, he never bothered to look at the simple morality of it.
Kinda like the guy who got OJ exonerated.
Such is the danger of men who are very smart (too much by half).
It is symptomatic of someone whose morality is not yet fully formed.

Who Cares!
The abortion issue has effectively but put to rest in this country. The only people who argue anymore are extremist from either side of the issue. In case you didn't know, here is what the American people have decided. Abortion is a bad thing and should be avoided but it should be kept safe and legal. There, now let's get back to the real issues.

As if this weren't bad enough
OBAMA! has other skeletons that the MSM will NEVER look into, and intelligent folks need to get educated --
http://www.newsmax.com/brennan/obama_contributions/2008/10/ 07/138195.html

Remarkable, and terrifying.

When is abortion murder?
I just don't understand abortion, but especially late term abortion. Why is it ok to kill a baby that survived a botched abortion? Next thing you know, murder will be classified as nothing but a late term abortion!

Just imagine
how much money in tax and social security surplus we would have if the 45+ million babies that have been aborted in our country alone had survived their abortions?

If they (45+ million) had survived, grown up, gone to college, and started contributing to society, we would not be in the financial mess that we are in right now with Wall Street, Freddie and Fannie and all of those baby boomers that are now collecting their retirement checks.

But hey who wants to be "punished with a baby"?

WHO IS THE REAL OBAMA
Obama has been surrounded all his life by radical left extremists. His mother and his wife "hate America". Obama keeps his real feelings to himself. All his political speeches are carefully crafted by the people he surrounds himself with. With his involvement with terrorists, communists, socialists, and extreme leftists, do we really know what he would do if he were elected President. What he tells America is not what the "real" Obama believes.

OBAMINATION - PART TWO
Subject: OBAMINATION - PART TWO

.....Author Jon Christian Ryter ...

... http:www.jonchristianryter.com/2008/080908.html ...

.....Obama was now completely tucked away in the hip pockets of the globalists who are determined to erase the Bill of Rights by 2012 and fully implement a socialist world government. They know if they don’t succeed, Barack Obama, who was nominated as the Democratic standard bearer by acclamation (cheers) and not by ballot will not get a second term.
The "aye" voice affirmation was done to prevent disgruntled Hillary Clinton delegates and wavering super delegates (who might have second thoughts about backing an inept communist citizen-of-the-world and Muslim sympathizer) from attempting a convention coup and nominating Clinton whom the money barons were convinced could not win in November.

The definition of "economic justice" is the means by which government bureaucracies punish a successful middle class by seizing and redistributing the fruit of their labor. Obama said he intends to "...recast the welfare net while rolling back the winner-take-all market economy that Ronald Reagan re-ignited." Reagan's market economy netted record increases of the standard of living for all Americans—including those at the bottom of the economic ladder. .....COLOSSUS

Pamela: reply #43
I agree with you so much! The first time I ever saw BHO on tv with Michelle, I told my husband that BHO is henpecked! Micelle wears the pants in that home. She is also even for to the left than BHO. And they are both beholden to a lot of people on the left who have been buying the 'yellow brick road' for Obama ever since the Chicago days. Those who vote for Obama are buying a package deal-the royal couple and their puppeteers.

He'd kill his own grandchild
And let's not forget, when he was asked about Abortion at some speaking engagement, he said this: "I would teach my daughters to do what's right (oh boy, he's an authority on what' right??) but if they make a mistake, I wouldn't want to punish them with a child!" So, he would kill his own grandchild. This guy scares me to death.

Ann-
You misunderstand. I would like it to be illegal, but to actually stop the practice, people's hearts must be changed. We've become a society where right and wrong have been replaced with "that's the way I want it".

NObama, the Butcher of Illinois
This low life should have been aborted himself.

I am appalled
at the lack of integrity of the MSM. Have you noticed they act like sheep to the slaughter...One blindly following the others over the cliff. They really ARE drinking the Koolaid.

Obama is a puppet candidate--we know he is not qualified to be Pres. Perhaps Obama is too naive to even understand what is going to happen to him once his handlers are in charge...not to mention what will happen to us.

So ask yourself--who will Actually be running the country?
I shudder to think.




Ugh...it just keeps getting WORSE
He talks in circles and just creates terms to get his way!

I have NEVER in my life seen somebody fight so damn hard for LIVING BREATHING INNOCENT CHILDREN to die!

And Sherri, he has no heart. This is completely ridiculous and I hope Hannity picks this up.

Sherri
The answer is. that man has no heart. Do you see how he is always smooth like a snake. cold blooded. His wife sent out letters warning women that they should support this stance because according to her this was a way for us to circumvent roe vs. wade. She raised the word so when she came on the view the last time she was there and said "barack and I don't intend to have anymore children" Inside I said thank god! such evil should not be able to propagate. Still, I feel sorry for the daughters.

PJ - How McCain will win....
I completely agree with you. The Hillary fans that I know will be voting for McCain. And not because Hillary could run in 2012 - they hate Obama, and the way she was treated by the main stream media, the same media trying to destroy Palin.


Where is that man's heart?
I forwarded this to Sean Hannity. I want this story to balloon up so large that it shows the true meaning of a child's life through the eyes of Obama.

Tony Texas
There is so much written about Obama-mostly by a biased media-how can an interested-but undecided person answer the questions: "Who is the real Barack H. Obama? What has he done? What has he accomplished? Has he demonstrated leadership potential?"

Should one judge by his relationships-both political and religious-or by his oratorical prowess--or his obvious good looks?

What counts--style or substance?

He has one--but not the other.


Hope
I am a Christian, and a Republican, and what is happening economically and politically now is very frightening...but, my comfort is that God is still in charge, he still reigns over us, and whatever happens, it is all a part of the Master's plan for the ages.

Proverbs 8:
13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way,
and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.

How sad!
As a mother and grandmother, I cannot fathom the heart of a person that would allow a baby to die because it was not perfect. I believe the last time we saw someone in power who thought this way, there was a Holocaust.

OBAMINATION - CORRECTION

.....http://www.jonchristianryter.com/2008/080908.html

.....COLOSSUS

Obama vs. McCain
You know what's ashamed guys? Is my wife and I and 7 kids..... 4 still at home are barely surviving financially due to 3-4 dollar gas and diesel, rising cost everywhere.

Not to mention our medical insurance cost us 800.00 a month out of own pockets, which takes half our wages and this is all with no end in sight. Yet I watch illegal aliens walk into doctor offices all day long and get free medical attention. I have broken my ribs twice this year getting bucked off horses and could not afford to go the hospital to have them taken care fo so I have just had to tough it out and wrap them up.

Then when I go to the grocery store I watch people who are fully able to work go in with their food stamps or Texas Star Card and leave out of there with 3 basket fulls of groceries and yet when we leave we are trying to figure out why our 7 or 8 item grocery cart cost us 59.00 to pay for them, for maybe 1 or two meals.

I voted for Bush but now that is truly my biggest regret. I am a Christian and I am very concerned that we have no choice in either party because all McCain does is make himself look like and incompetent idiot in the debates when his VP candidate smokes her opposition.

But yet he demands more debates only making way to sway even more voters away from himself. He needs to go and hide and let his VP do the talkiing or otherwise my Christian brothers and Sisters we are going to have all of the freaks out voting and we are going to have a president who stands for nothing we as a nation even stand for or for that matter was founded on.


Be Blessed My Friends, So Pray........

How McCain will win
Much of Hillary's 18 million will vote for McCain.
Perhaps you think this is impossible.

I am telling you that Hillary and her supporters are livid over this turn of events.
They would rather see McCain win than give it to Obama. Why? Because McCain already said he would be a one-term president.

An Obama loss is the only way Hillary could run in 2012...

Much of the Undecided and Independent vote will go to McCain. Call it the race issue or fear of taxes and socialism but when they are behind that curtain, they will choose McCain.

I think Obama knows the job is over his pay grade...

There you have it in a nutshell, how McCain
will win.

Pinto man
I am afraid you must be right.
But what if the opinions of most Americans are not making it to the polls or being discussed by the media. Isn't this a war that we are in? Isn't the so-called mainstream media in a war against the very foundations of our nation. A war that most people don't see or care about.
There are so many people being mislead that don't take the time to carefully understand any issue. Except football.

OBAMA HAND PICKED BY SOROS - PART ONE
.....OBAMINATION ...by Jon Christian

When Soros hosted a major fund raiser for unknown Senator Barack Obama in the fall of 2004, the soiree took place at his New York home. That evening Soros wasn't buying either a President or a prospective US Senator. Soros intended to snag a young political fish, reel him in just a little—but keep him on the hook, letting him grow until he was mature enough to fit Soros' plans. And what were his plans?

It appears Soros, who was born in Budapest, Hungary, would like to be President of the United States. Of course, because he is not a natural-born American, he has to be content to be a surrogate president—the puppet master who pulls the strings for the man in the Oval Office of Barack Obama.

The Rockefeller-controlled banking interests pulled most of their financial support from Clinton and gave it to Obama. The bank flip-flop included Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase (Chase Morgan).

The campaign finance filings of Sen. Obama showed the wealthiest banks and bankers were now bankrolling him. So, for that matter, were some of the world's biggest "Washington influence buyers." .....COLOSSUS

DEBATE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE

.....PALIN VS. OBAMA ...

....A free flowing debate where the participants are allowed to question each other ...

.....The second debate was a joke ...all the questions were selected by Brokaw, a partisan Democrat who carefully avoided any questions on character ...

.....Uninformed voters have to buy the book Obamination to get the skinny on Obambi ...Wikipedia is a complete whitewash, probably written by Obambi himself .....COLOSSUS

Not above my paygrade
Barack knows the life of a fetus begins even before conception.. Both sperm and egg are alive.. Contact of this living matter produces a human being that is alive.. If this were not so the fetus would not develop and grow inside the womb.. If this fetus were in fact not alive it would be cause for abortion...not alive as in dead...
Obama is terrified that people will understand that a fetus is a living human being in process and abortion is murder...Barack is both a liar and a kiler...The fruit doesnt fall far from the tree specifically the tree of knowledge of what is good and what is evil...Barack is like satan in knwoing good and evil..He will abort all of us from the truth...

Pinto Man
In other words, Democracies and Republics don’t work. We need a dictatorship based on theocracy or some religious based nobility.

Read Carefully
Whether one is pro-life or pro-choice, he or she should look at the historical facts. After considering the origin of the case, the merits of the arguments, the logical links to the Constitution, and the effects over the past 35 years, one must arrive at the conclusion:

Roe versus Wade was truly a landfill decision.

It should be remembered as such.

nuf said
Here is the true self of noboma that everyone should know.

May God help us if the antichrist gets in power.

Yep
People know Obama is pro-choice. That's part of why they're voting for him.

society
Reading the comments and the outrage it occured to me that most of the country just doesn't care, at least according to the polls. Look at society, nothing is sacred anymore. The more degrading something is, the more popular it is. No wonder BO is so popular.

folks
You’re all holding back. Let’s tell it like it is. Obama opposed the bill because he needs those babies for the blood he drinks in his satanic rituals. In them, he asks for the devil’s help to commune with the spirit of Stalin. With Stalin’s help, Obama will steal the election and raise a vast army of nazi/commies who will round up every single person in the country, destroy their families and religion, turn them into homosexuals and force everyone to have daily abortions using the graves of veterans as receptacles and flags as towels. The only place spared from this apocalypse will be Alaska because God sanctified the place when he produced his latest anointed, hand-picked leader of the country.

Nick
"Let's face it.... What defines personhood in this society is a single woman's willingness to let it live."

If that woman can find an abortionist to sign off on her "need" for the abortion, twisting the word "health" into whatever he/she wants it to be, then yes, you are correct. This is the status quo, the result of Roe vs. Wade and Doe vs. Bolton - abortion is legal throughout all nine months of pregnancy. But that simply shows how unconsitutional these two decisions were.

On one hand you say that when an unborn child is genetically different from its parents, it is a person. That would be at fertilization, a biological fact. Then you say abortion, which is the legal killing of an unborn child before its born, should remain legal. Those two positions are not compatible. Either the unborn is a person and worthy of legal protection, or not. And if not, on what basis? Roe vs. Wade didn't deal with this momentous question, but rather, sidestepped it.
Roe says "...if the case for personhood is established, then the whole case for legal abortion collapses."

Roe vs. Wade is on a collision course with itself, because biology and science confirm the humanity of the unborn. There is no constitutional basis for allowing the killing of another human being - no one is to be deprived of the right to life without due process.

Abortion remains legal because the proabortionists who dreamed up the arguments used in "Roe" managed to define the unborn as unworthy of the status of personhood. But that position is totally unsupportable by the facts.

Anyone who still supports legal abortion is either intellectually dishonest or thoroughly uninformed about basic biology.

Don in CT
Most of us don't spurn God but are powerless to those that do. Our only choice is to turn over this election TO God and hope He blesses us with the voters turning away Obama so this country can survive.

obama debate?
I am proudly pro-life. But we are missing the forest for the trees here. It does not matter that Obama is for abortion; that he does not care if a poor abortion survivor dies alone in a dark utility room, with no comprehension of the cold world he finds himself thrust into after the warm protection of his mother's womb. Everything such as his association with Ayres, Raines, Johnson, Acorn, slush fund money he received from Fannie & Freddie, supposedly illegal foreign contributions to his campaign, voting "present" to avoid taking a stand, none of his nefarious record matters as much as the fact that HE IS A MARXIST. Historically, marxists have no moral compunction against slaughtering as many citizens as they deem inconvenient. So,basically his position on the botched abortion survivors is academic. He says health care is a right, and promises it to everyone. But elderly, chronically ill, and any other category of illness that might become expensive, watch your backs. The logical extension of abortion is euthanisia. If you find euthanasia objectionable, you will be able to "choose" to die naturally because your expensive care will be disallowed. That's why he is not worried about solving the social security and medicare solvency problem. There will be so many less of us on that big government teat, it will be easier to keep them solvent. Nicolai Lenin said: A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth. We are being lied to repeatedly. Before you write me off as a right wing whacko, view this video: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1
This guy is right, there is no conspiracy, it is right in our faces. Of note is the change we see in Putin lately.

death to the living

Obama is not a christian nor a person of any faith. He apparently approves the killing of a child thought this child be living just because this child has a physical problem. Is it possible that those who accept his believe that a child with a physical problem may be killed should study the history of hitler and Germany in the 30's and 40's ?
They won't because they lack the ability to understand just what this guy accepts as normal.

mykik
Your pitiful defense of the indefensible doesn't hold up for a second. Obama's statements are on the record. He made the statements on the Illinois Senate floor. You are a POS for trying to defend the man on this point.

George Obama
anyone who can know his half-brother lives in the slums should wonder how he would care for us if he has no compassion for his half brother who shares blood with him. Google George Obama... where is the MSM on this story??? AWOL!!!

It's Just a blob
Give our next president a break. He doesn't want society to "be punished with a baby." He's a lawyer. He should have just referred to the living child as a "blob." That would be far less deceptive than "minimum wage," "employeee choice," "Great Society," and "Social Security."

GOP are becoming wimps!
What is wrong with my party these days?!? Good Grief! Why aren't these types of issues being brought to the American public's attention in a major way, instead of hiding in an on-line article. (No offense TH) SCREAM this from the mountain tops! Same with Ayers, Odinga, Wright, Flannagan, ACORN, etc..

If the GOP can't win on these facts alone...

What is our world coming to? Please God, don't let a bunch of hatin liberals run our morals into the dirt!


My goodness--
this so-called Christian is just pure EVIL. Vote for McCain and save this country from these liberal idiots!!!

Let's face it....
What defines personhood in this society is a single woman's willingness to let it live.
And before you whackos try to dismiss me as a religious zealot, my belief come from more of a libertarian construct. And I don't favor making abortion illegal either, because since society has degenerated to the point where supposedly civilized people even discuss it, making it illegal will not stop it.
A person is a person when it becomes genetically unique from it's parents. Shame on our society for thinking otherwise.

He's a lawyer??
The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States says, "... secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...".

Posterity is, by definition, future generations. The Constitution was written to apply to current (those alive at the time of writing) and future (those not yet born) generations of Americans.

Senator Obama is a lawyer. The Constitution is a LEGAL document, and legal documents do not change subject to interpretation. If a change is needed, the Constitution provides a process to include Amendments. If Senator Obama doesn't understand the basic concepts of posterity or legal documents, he should be disbarred.

Obama, with all his verbal parsing, does not think unborn children are part of "posterity" and thus not afforded the protections under the Constitution. He also apparently doesn't believe they are human beings which should be afforded the basic rights to life.

Senator, at what point does an unborn person become part of the "posterity" spelled out in the Consitution? At what point do they become a human being and thus should be afforded the basic right to life? If you don't know (or won't answer), what kind of monsterous logic entitles you to say they should die?

OBAMA WINS DEBATE LOSES ELECTION
John McCain underperformed in two debates and chances are his performance in the third debate will be no better. When McCain debates Obama he can't be John McCain, he can't be the happy confident feisty warrior that we saw at Saddlebrook and Columbia, he can't be the John McCain that we want to see and that he needs to be to win these debates. When McCain debates Obama he feels psychically stifled and loses much of his mental clarity and sharpness. A clue to why this happens can be found in my essay: Obama Maharaj Ji: The Secret of Obama's Hypnotic Powers.

But hypnotic powers and all Obama in November is faced with a challenge that transcends his abilities to surmount. Obama cannot escape his fate and on November 4th Election Day, a day historically auspicious for McCain and the GOP, the voters of this country will make John McCain 44th President of the United States.

For inspiration and encouragement on McCain's rendezvous with victory click ApolloSpeaks and read my piece; John McCain, Hero of Destiny: Signs of Republican Victory.


Obamacare Threatens the Old
Beware, seniors. If this callous man would allow a helpless baby to die without care what do you think he will do about senile senior citizens who will bankrupt his healthcare plan if allowed to live?


This shocked me
But I went to the "Fight the Smears" site and got the 'other side' of the story.

It turns out this is just a "he said, he said" situation...

There's what he said.
Then there's what he said about what he said.

Who are you going to believe, him? Or his explanation about himself. Come on people!

I have good friends who are Dems, but if I were them - I'd go in the booth and vote for all my Dem friends. But I would just skip pulling the lever for this guy. I just couldn't see how I could bring myself to do it.

The only reason would be ignorance of history.

And if that's the reason, well, we'll get to repeat history. Jimmy Carter II? No, more like Woodrow Wilson II...

This subject...
should be brought up by Governor Palin, while on the stump.

Not in an "in your face" manner, but posed as a question. Such as "How does a person such as Senator Obama justify such treatment of those babies that survive abortions?" "What does that say about his character and judgement?"

Even NARAL didn't stand in the way of this legislation. They can see "the line in the sand" that Obama doesn't.

I'm horrified
that we would EVER give such a person our nuclear codes, or put him in charge of our military or in charge of all the money and laws in Congress to govern. He is a monster who has no conscience! How can people (Demoncrats) not see the evil carefully cloaked in this man?

Nancy
I was trying to think of any words that could describe this man, Obama. You did it well. It is far too disgusting and sickening for me. Reading that debate sent chills up my spine.

Obama is wrong for America
This country is at a cross-roads like never before. Obama and his liberal, racists and yes even terrorist buddies are tearing at the very fabric of this nation. I'm not surprised at all by Obama's manical defense of Roe v Wade and that is the reason he was against this legislation. Sadly the alledged "Christians" and alleged "decent people" in this country put the democratic party above the very lives of this country.

I guess it's above Obama's pay grade to determine if even a born alive baby is alive! Outrageous!!!

There's no other way to look at this but to admit it's murder and Obama thinks that's okay. If this man can't or won't stand up for the weakest Americans, what does that really say about him, and quite frankly, his supporters?

Pre WW II Germany part II
This is a cold-blooded man who reeks of control with the sophistication of the most dangerous type -sort of a cross between Bill CLinton and Dr. Mengale.

This is all the inevitable result of treating precious human life as an expendable "choice" Even the GOP under John McCain threw the oppossition to this stuff under the proverbial bus until he found he was losing.

We have spurned God in the most violent manner and there will be serious consequences for our actions - whether or not we believe it.

Remember Gianna Jessen?
Not even Alan Colmes could deny that this vibrant young woman was the same person who had survived her mother's attempt to snuff out her life.

As for "temporarily alive", both McCain's Mom and my MIL have been "temporarily" around for 90+ years and both ladies are still going strong, still serving ther families. You go, girls!

Michelle, Not Barack, In Charge
Has anyone else picked up on the fact that it is Michelle Obama that will make all the decisions if Obama is elected? So people will be voting for Michelle, not Barack.
Tonight when asked what he didn't know and needed to learn, Obama said Michelle has a list of what he needed to learn and he would go to her to find the answers.
A couple of weeks ago, on the O'Reilly Factor, a Chicago doyenne agreed with O'Reilly that when Michelle is in the room, all others are insignificant for Obama. She said, Yes, about 90% of the time.
I wonder if Obama supporters know that it is Michelle that will be making the decisions.

I Oback Arama am running for President
We all have heard the old question, "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" Well, I ask you a similar question, “If a breathing product of conception with a heart beat dies in a dirty linen closet, and it doesn’t get health care, does that make it a person with rights?”

Due to the fact that this question may be above my pay grade, I must be very careful about my answer. First, I don’t pretend to know for sure if these things are living persons with rights, so the safest way to deal with them is to be as careful as possible to protect the right to choose and just assume that they are not human beings. Therefore, if it’s not human, it’s not infanticide. Second, I don’t want people to twist my words and spread lies saying that I don’t support universal, free, Cuban style health care. But if you put this pre-viable fetus thing in the closet and of its own accord it ceases to have a heart beat and stops breathing and no one is there to see it, really, who cares? We must at all costs protect the sacred right enshrined in the constitution by the Roe vs. Wade decision. I’m not one to blow my own horn, but it took a great deal of courage for me to lead my party on this issue by denying health care to the born unborn. Now, as I feared, politically motivated, petty people are attempting to use this against my humanitarian health care initiatives. But, I stood up when faced with that dangerous political decision and hit the no button on four different occasions and protected the sacred right of every woman and brave abortionist to snuff out, by neglect, accidently born alive breathing human blobs of tissue with heart beats.

Vote for courage and Oback Arama

http://obackarama.blogtownhall.com/

Beware
If he would limit someone elses right "to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness"...
He would limit yours and mine.
He parses words..."straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel"
And this 'gentleman' desires to lead us all??
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