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Thursday, May 08, 2008
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
Should We Impoverish the Persian Gulf?
by Terry Jeffrey
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A curious consensus has formed among the presidential candidates that promoting the use of alternative fuels should not only be the policy of the United States in fighting "climate change" but also -- insofar as it would diminish the wealth of Persian Gulf states -- in fighting terrorism.

The argument has visceral appeal. Barack Obama may never find bitter people clinging to guns and religion, but he will find them clinging to the hoses of gas pumps as they fill their cars with $4-per-gallon fuel.

"We know that the money that America spends on foreign oil is funding both sides of the war on terror; that it pays for everything from the madrassas that plant the seeds of terror in young minds to the Sunni insurgents that attack our troops in Iraq," Obama said in October, laying out his energy plan. "We know this money corrupts budding democracies and allows dictators from hostile regimes to threaten the international community."

John McCain made virtually the same argument in December in his own energy speech. "Al-Qaida must revel in the irony that America is effectively helping to fund both sides of the war they caused," he said. "As we sacrifice blood and treasure, some of our gas dollars flow to the fanatics who build the bombs, hatch the plots, and carry out attacks on our soldiers and citizens. Iran made over $45 billion from oil sales in 2005, and it is the No. 1 state sponsor of terrorism.

"The transfer of American wealth to the Middle East helps sustain the conditions on which terrorists prey," he said.

Nor was Hillary Clinton to be left out. "We are more dependent on foreign oil today than we were on 9-11," she said in November, explaining her own energy policy. "And one-third of our trade deficit is the petroleum we import, as we transfer massive amounts of wealth to undemocratic governments that use those funds to stifle opposition and finance extremism."

A cheaper, cleaner, more secure source of fuel for America would be good in its own right. But if some entrepreneur discovered tomorrow a fuel that could be manufactured within the United States, wholly replace our petroleum consumption and give U.S. producers a commanding position in the global energy market -- thus beggaring the Persian Gulf -- would that choke off funding for al-Qaida and other terrorist groups and end their war against us?

Would it stop Iran from building a nuke? Would it spur positive political change in the Middle East?

The most reasonable answers to these questions are: no, no and no.

Terrorism, unfortunately, is inexpensive. "Al-Qaida," said the 9-11 commission staff report on terrorist financing, "funded a number of terrorist operations, including the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa (which cost approximately $10,000), the 9-11 attacks (approximately $400,000 to $500,000), the Oct. 18, 2002, Bali bombings (approximately $20,000) and potential maritime operations against oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz (approximately $130,000)."

Even with "overhead" factored in, the commission said, al-Qaida's annual budget was only $30 million per year. Some Major League Baseball players earn as much in a six-month season as Osama bin Laden needed to run al-Qaida in the six months before 9-11.

If Americans gave up oil, Islamist fanatics could still afford mass murder.

Poor countries can build nukes, too. The CIA's World Fact Book says North Korea's "industrial capital stock is nearly beyond repair as a result of years of underinvestment and shortages of spare parts." Its total government budget in 2006 was $2.2 billion, about one-twentieth the value of the oil revenue John McCain attributes to Iran for 2005. Yet, in 2006, North Korea tested a nuclear device.

This leaves the question of whether impoverishing the Persian Gulf would foster positive political change there. Well, one oil-dependent economy in that region is Iraq, where American troops are now giving their lives to prevent -- not cause -- a civil war.

Aside from Shiite Islamist revolutionary Iran, which has been antagonistic toward the United States ever since the overthrow of the Shah in the late 1970s, all the rest of the major oil-producing states of the Gulf -- Kuwait, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates -- are Sunni Arab emirates or monarchies with Shiite minorities. All are un-free -- and all have a history of military cooperation with the United States.

Are we anxious to see how revolution unfolds in these places? Would political change sparked by economic dislocation bring them closer to, or further from, al-Qaida's ideology?

The presidential candidates may want to compel Americans to use alternative fuels because they believe the world is overheating, but suggesting this will help protect us against terrorism is solid evidence their rhetoric is overheating.

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Jeffery misses the point
Should we "impoverish" the Middle East? is the wrong question. History shows that for two generations the Middle East has been awash in dollars, and pounds and francs etc. yet the wealth has remained in the hands of a select few who live lavishly.

These super-rich Sheiks and dictators have had a historic opportunity to transform their nations, but have selfishly squandered that chance.

The oppressed subjects of these tyrants are brainwashed womb-to-tomb with anti-Western hatred, so it's unlikely they could hate us any more than they do already. They'll likely continue to commit terrorist acts against us whether or not we continue to drench their masters with cash.

The real benefit of energy independence will be not having to pursue an expensive foreign policy based on maintaining access to foreign oil and fewer newspaper photos of American presidents strolling hand in hand with Arab oil ministers.

For energy independence, we would have 2
OPEN ANWAR

make Iraq pay some of the expenses for the war.

and suffer HUGE jumps in the price of foodstuffs.

I would do it in a heartbeat, but al bore? Or any of the other climate nazis?


Trolls ~ Supposition
Part I...

This is entirely supposition.

Some suspect that Hal DonoWHO was perhaps in our military. Some also suspect that he was a very mediocre officer, who was advanced through the ranks, due to extreme activity of 'Apple Polishing', 'Odious Obsequiousness' (Sorry if you have to visit a dictionary), 'Parasitic Toadyism' and other disgusting activities.

He stalled out, when he could no longer attract the "Pull" from above that promotes mediocrity. Since even his "Pull" knew he was worthless, they shunted him into REMF jobs ( For the non-military, this is an acronym for "Rear Echelon Moth*r F*ck*r" - please insert the appropriate vowel for each asterisk. )

You may well wonder what an REMF does to earn this acronym... They steal packages of food from home, intended for troops in battle. They place needless and sometimes fatal limitations on battle equipment. They demand insane "Rules Of Engagement" on our troops in battle. They prevent Honors for Bravery In Battle, and claim them for themselves. They get a 'Paper-Cut' in their office, and submit themselves for a "Purple Heart"; which, by the way, comes from George Washington, to honor troops wounded in battle, not for stupidity behind the lines.
O.K. That was just a very short list, but I am limited here.

After being passed over for promotion, a fatal-to-the-career-disease in our Military (Thank goodness), our buddy Hal began to increase his daily intake of cheap vodka (less odor on the breath, you know) to the point where people wondered why he was whizzing out of his house trailer office window (situated in a rear area-Okinawa, perhaps).


(Continued in Part II...

Trolls ~ Part II
Supposition, Part II


Eventually, his superiors realized they had more than a minor problem here with Hal, and addressed Hal, in their inimitable, kindly fashion.


I suspect the conversation went something like this:

General : "Hal, you have a serious problem, and if you don't straighten up, fly right, and dry yourself out within one week, your a$$ is grass, and I'm the lawnmower. You are a worthless piece of sh!t!"

Hal : "It's those d*mned enlisted people! They are trying to ruin me!"

General : "Forget the week! You are on the next flight out of here, and I hope you miss it, so I can slam your a$$ in the stockade for the duration!"

Well, you know the rest of it.

Hal gets an account on "Townhall" he gets another account on "Townhall' in the name of 'Robert' ( His alter-ego, ). He invents the personae of a Navy Captain, equal to the rank of Colonel, that Hal was denied for extreme incompetence.

Hal had to buy two computers. One has a name tag "HAL" on it, and the other has the name tag "Robert". It is suspected, by some, that Hal has 2 or 3 other computers with other fools names on them.

Hal, sometimes forgets that he is posting, and signs off as "Robert".

Many have noted over the past, they suspect that Hal's consumption of alcohol has increased, along with his and 'Robert's' idiocy.

Many also suspect that this 'wasted' poster is in the final stages of severe alcoholism.




Jeffry
I'm amazed at the gall this article shows and its pimping for big oil. Sure Korea is a poor country and their nuclear facilities are two bit pieces of junk. Here's a description of the alleged Syrian reactor.

"One more final consideration: the Yongbyon reactor, from the descriptions by inspectors in 1994, is a real hunk of junk, by contemporary standards. The inspectors could tell from the condition of the spent fuel rods that there were many operating problems and shutdowns because of problems. Nuclear safety at the site was marginal to non-existent. The bomb test using plutonium from it was very likely a fizzle yield. If the Syrians got a duplicate copy of the Yongbyon reactor, as the CIA claims, they were very likely wasting their money."

The second obvious problem with this shilling for big oil is that economic pressure, as we saw in Iraq with Saddam, can strongly drive a country to drop its nuclear ambitions.

linking economics and radicalism?
Our policy should be neither to enrich nor impoverish the Persian Gulf.

It should be to maintain the interests of the United States.

To that end, of course we should drill in anwr, open up restricted areas off our coasts, expand nuclear power, AND invest in research and development on alternative energy.

OPEC is controlled by the Persian Gulf nations, even as some non-Gulf nations are members.

Since it obviously is a cartel, we just as obviously should do all we can to minimize its ability to dictate the price of oil.

Jeffrey is correct that terrorism does not require a huge outlay of money.

It is easy to argue economic deprivation or dislocation leads to political change, even revolution.

It is logical to think it would.

But in sub-Saharan Africa, the people are much poorer than their Persian Gulf brethren.

Yet do changes in governments in Africa come about as a result the peoples' economic destitution, or as a result of some tribal warlord seizing control of the government?

Does being economically destitute make one a political(or other)type of radical?

One thing is for certain. While Africans suffer from destitution far more than Persian Gulf peoples, they are not nearly as radicalized.

Can't imagine why.

Cough.

We're only impoverishing ourselves

As evidenced by the declining dollar

jerabaub writes:
"Linking economics and radicalism?
Our policy should be neither to enrich nor impoverish the Persian Gulf.

It should be to maintain the interests of the United States."

Amen. As to the Arabs and their oil. They've had a millennium to create more eggs, still there is only one egg in their basket, oil. And we know who developed that resource, or it would still be buried in the sand. The only thing those folks ever developed for themselves were thriving Date & rug businesses.

This guy has to kidding right?
To answer the question that is the title of this peice. Yes!

Why should we care if the middle east is poorer because we don't buy oil from them? By this guys line of thinking, things should stay the same, I pay more and have less income, they get richer and fund Terrorism that kills the men and women who have sworn to protect me? I don't think so.

Bottom line is I don't care about the "positive political change" in the middle east. We made a mistake going into Iraq but we have to stay to make sure it's at least stable enough so it won't turn into another Iran, it looks like we might finely be on track to see that happen. Anything after that means nothing to me. Let's open ANWR, Calf, the Gulf and the new fields found in N. Dakota. That on top of the newest fields found off Brazil would make the mid-east no longer a factor in our lives. I could live with that.

Alternative fuel
as well as an increase in domestic oil supply is a long way away inspite of the misleading speeches of politicians like Schumer.

What is frightening about the continue battle with islamofacist terorists is that they know how to conduct war on the cheap with roadside bombs, suicide bombers and diverted airliners. Much cheaper then our expensive armies that are ill suited to alternative war.

Some good points
There is actually some truth to what Jeffrey is saying here, which is more than I usually agree with him. There is nothing that we are going to do with regard to energy that is going to affect the amount of money in the middle east to the point that it impacts on terrorism. So the reasons for wanting to reduce our energy dependence should not turn on the terrorism argument.

He is right that most governments can find the money for weapons systems if they want. That is why the idea that it was sanctions in Iraq that was preventing Hussein from building nuclear weapons is so silly. He could have used the money from building one of his palaces to do so if he thought that going nuclear was in his interests.

Jeffrey is wrong though to think that our being friendly with the majority of unfree gulf states in the region is an unmitigated good thing. Our fondness for dictators who are willing to work with us militarily is not something that people in the middle east have failed to notice.

And economies built around stuff dug out of the ground (oil, gold, diamonds, etc.) tend to be unfree ones. Truly prosporous societies need to have more diversified economies. So creating a need in the middle east for diversified economies would not be bad for them or us. But it also is not going to happen just because we go green in this country.

DUMB & REALLY DUMB

.....Who is more stupid? ...the politicians in Washington who kiss the feet of the Green-geeks and the Eco-nuts or the mindless mob that votes them into office? ...

.....Did you know that gasoline costs 45 cents a gallon in Saudi Arabia, 35 cents in Iran, and less than a quarter in Venezuela?

Question: Why does gasoline cost so little in these third-world countries and so much in the United States of America?

Answer: Because Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Venezuela harvest enough oil to take care of their own people, and WE DON'T!

.....Swarmi Chuckie Schumer said it would take ten years to get oil out of Anwar ...he said the same thing ten years ago ...we are sitting on 300 years of readily available fossil fuels that cannot be replaced by alternate energy sources yet ...like the alchemists in the middle ages who tried to convert lead into gold or to build a perpetual motion machine ...we are committing National suicide while our Government has us chasing rainbows .....COLOSSUS

Musta missed something
The issue is a dependency on a critical commodity, oil, from foreign sources. That those sources are in the Middle East, a region not known for its love for America and its ability to extort oil importing nations is why we look to disengage ourselves from the region, not to impoverish them.

Our own foolish scheme to substitute food and feed corn to offset this dependence only amplifies their hold on our economy and our wallets. Further, it is not impoverishing the Middle East but it is cutting deeply into the food supply of developing nations already in abject poverty.

Cutting off foreign oil will not deter the radical determination of Muslim extremism but it does release us from their ability to hold us hostage to the region. We have the oil right here, we have the technology to obtain it safely, we simply lack the will to remove the chains of Islamic extortion.

Oil and the war of ideas
It doesn't cost much money to fund TERRORISM.

But it does cost a lot of money to fund anti-American PROPAGANDA. And that's what the Saudis have been doing with their money.

80% of the mosques right here in America get money and "educational materials" from Saudi Arabia. Freedom House looked at those books they send here and found them to be virulently anti-American and anti-Semitic.

Saudi Arabia actually spends more money promoting Salafism than the Soviet KGB used to spend promoting Communism in the Third World.

Obama, surprisingly, is right: Terrorists are nurtured in the religious schools (madrassas) and "Islamic charities," many of which are funded by Saudi Arabia through various money-laundering schemes.

Saudi Arabia has been our military ally, only because we had common enemies: First the Soviet Union, and then Saddam Hussein, and now Iran.

But ideologically, they are on the OPPOSITE side from us in the War on Terror. Their ideology is not that much different from that of Osama bin Laden (who was himself a Saudi Sunni).

for Taft
Taft writes: "I'm amazed at the gall this article shows and its pimping for big oil."

It gets worse.

With the imminent replacement of the Bush Administration by either Obama or McCain (neither of whom is particularly indebted to Big Oil), the oil industry is now pushing back to defend their turf.

Robert Bryce just wrote a book called "Gusher of Lies" which is basically pro-Saudi propaganda. He tries to tell us that it's a GOOD thing that the Middle East Muslims are so powerful, because they can be valuable allies against "atheist" Red China (how's that for a strawman?).

http://tinyurl.com/488oza

And before that, the Wall Street Journal wrote an editorial entitled "An Ode To Oil" which talked about all the wonderful things oil does, and how stupid it would be to develop alternative energy when oil already does everything we need.

Steve L
Regarding alternative fuels, I am all for them if they are practical. I have yet to see a study that even claims we can come anywhere close to replacing petrol fuel with corn based fuel. If we could do so, and do so without seriously impacting food production, I would be all for it.

Honestly I think we are missing the boat on this one. With all the raw sewage and rotting organic matter we produce in this nation, it seems we would be better served producing methanol, since nobody eats these waste products.

I think we should actively push for alternative fuels, in the long term. But while the engine of this nation currently runs on oil, we need to increase our production of petrol products. Because creating fuels that will help us 20 years down the line will not reduce costs now.

Oil is essential Steve L
And while I agree that we should always work to develope better energy sources, currently oil is what keeps this world running.

The truth is we will always need oil, even when a better fuel comes along to replace it. Everything from lubricants to plastics are made with petroleum biproducts, including the terminal you typed your post on.

I frankly have never understood this demonization of oil. Ultimately, it is neither "good" nor "evil". It is just a product that we rely on for our very existence. And if anyone thinks I am overstating that, imagine if all petrol vanished tomorrow. The world would screech to a halt and there would be a global loss of life like the world has never seen. Food would rot in trucks and terminals, while petrol based farm equipment would become useless.

Essentially, I am saying that the need for oil currently trumps hysterical environmentalist disaster predictions. Besides technological advances will eventually see oil die off as our primary fuel. After all, how many essential technologies of the past are long dead because something better came along? The same thing will happen with oil. It will run its course and be replaced.

He** yes ... ah ...
I amost forgot I'm not supposed to use words like he** here. So ... Heck, Yes! Why not? I don't live there and if we cut them loose they are a lot less likely to bother us. But I can't see it happening due to alternate fuels. For one thing it is apparent that the liberals can't see us changing to any of those alternatives. For another, too many politicians are are tied too deeply to oil money. And for a third reason, too much of the rest of the world wants it. If we did cut off all oil use from the Mid-East, they wouldn't sell a gallon less of their oil.

Jerebaub
Excellent points all the way around!
To finish your piece, I'll add that Moslems are not in the majority among sub-Saharan peoples.

Gee, do you think that the psychotic barbarism known as jihadism is the root cause of terrorism? I don't know, no presidential candidate has said so, so it must not be true.

The only alternate fuel that will work
is our own offshore oil and ANWR oil and domestic oil which we drill and pump and refing and deliver to our people without the foreign nations' prices, speculators' add-ons, and oil-tanker-ship costs. It could be provided by the oil companies for the cost of processing plus nine cents per gallon profit. This would be used with our coal supplies and nuclear power.

Stevel: Obama should know, since he is one of the terroeists.
The technology exists to convert coal into oil. The liberals prohibit its use.

I worked designing a plant that converts coal into gas.

Boutte:
You said: "There is no terrorism we need to be protected against, as long as we mind our own business and leave other countries to mind theirs, as the Founding Fathers said."

That is one of the common sayings I keep hearing but it is totally wrong. We have several things they want to destroy and they don't care whether we let them alone or not. For instance, we allow women to make their own decisions, which upsets their own women. We show women's legs (horrors!) on commercials and in movies. We have all sorts of nice things like iPods which attract their own youth when they want them to go kill someone. Why do you think they believe we are Satan? Because we pat their hands when they are naughty? Or because we influence their culture by simply existing?

Finally, if we ignore them as you say, they will sooner or later take over the world. And when we are the only ones left, we won't be able to stop them from doing it.

WHY NOT HATE BIG GOVERNMENT?

.....We are conditioned to hate BIG BUSINESS ...BIG OIL ...BIG PHARMA ...BIG TOBACCO BIG WALMART ...We are told to hate all companies that profit under our system of Capitalism ...and who is telling us this? ...why it is BIG GOVERNMENT ...

.....Could it be that our Government has an ulterior motive? ...could it be that in their ever increasing addiction to BIG MONEY that they view these companies as cash cows? ...first demonize them in the eyes of the public and then squeeze them with regulations and taxes ...

.....The sad part is, that the ever so compliant public is the one who gets screwed in the end by shortages and higher prices as the Government uses class envy as a tool to whip them into slavery ...

.....As Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does " ...if the Public were smart they would hate BIG GOVERNMENT .....COLOSSUS

Boute
Are you crazy? Do you keep up with the reports of the plots foiled? Do you understand that it isn't a question of minding our own business that the terrorists want to conquer us for the sake of controlling and converting our country. Do you understand the jihadists who feel it is an obligation because we are not muslim? Do you understand how much damage these islamofacists can do without an army?

You seem so uninformed!!!!!! even naiive or just an angry man who doesn't know how to effectively express himself with people who don't agree with him.

Middle Easterner
Hell, let us just prohibit them from leaving the region. No further travel to the West at all, let them rot in their litter boxes. Let the Israeli's deal with them as they see fit.
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