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Wednesday, January 30, 2008
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
McCain's No Threat to the Left
by Terry Jeffrey
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While the liberal establishment may be conflicted over whether it wants Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee, there's no doubt which Republican it favors.

John McCain is the liberal elite's go-to guy in the GOP. They believe he'll be there for them when they need him.

That was the essential message of last week's New York Times editorial endorsing McCain for the Republican nomination.

"With a record of working across the aisle to develop sound bipartisan legislation, he would offer a choice to a broader range of Americans than the rest of the Republican field," said the Times. "We have shuddered at McCain's occasional, tactical pander to the right because he has demonstrated that he has the character to stand on principle."

What the Times is saying here is that it does not take McCain's conservative campaign-season rhetoric seriously. No, they're convinced the man on the Straight Talk Express is railroading Republican primary voters.

Long experience has taught the Times to read McCain's sign language. No matter what contortions McCain undergoes to shape this language, its message is reassuringly constant from the left's point of view. It says: I am no threat to the liberal agenda.

Two Senate votes taken a day apart are illustrative. On June 7, 2006, McCain voted against a cloture motion that would have allowed the full Senate to vote yes or no on the Federal Marriage Amendment. Then, on June 8, 2006, he voted for a cloture motion that would have allowed the full Senate to vote yes or no on the Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act, which would have allowed Native Hawaiians to create a race-based separate nation within the United States.

In both instances, McCain voted with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and against most Senate Republicans.

McCain professed deep support for the underlying purpose of the marriage amendment, he just opposed allowing colleagues to vote on it. Conversely, he expressed deep opposition to the underlying purpose of the Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act -- he just supported allowing colleagues to vote on it. Each time, McCain gave rhetoric to the right and material cooperation to the left.

In the process, he demonstrated radical inconsistency in his willingness to defend federalism, a principal he says is at the core of his beliefs.

The marriage amendment was designed to prevent unelected judges from overruling state legislatures and voters and manufacturing by judicial decree a right to same-sex marriage, such as the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court did in 2003.

In a statement submitted to the Congressional Record, McCain acknowledged this and other extra-legislative challenges to traditional marriage, but said: "I do not agree that all the above circumstances have made it necessary to usurp from the states, by means of an amendment to the federal Constitution, their traditional role in regulating marriage. I'm reluctant to abandon the federalism that is part of the essence of conservative political thought in this country."

On one day -- June 7 -- so great was his commitment to federalism he could not allow the Senate to even vote on an amendment that would require a two-thirds majority in both houses and then ratification by three-fourths of the states before it could become law.

On another day -- June 8 -- McCain's commitment to federalism was a bit more flexible. Now the threat to state's rights was an effort to create a new nation out of one segment of the population of one state of the union.

"I have serious reservations about the wisdom of this legislation," McCain said on the Senate floor. "I am sure that the sponsors have good intentions, but I cannot turn away from the fact this bill would lead to the creation of a new nation based exclusively -- not primarily, not in part, but exclusively -- on race. In fact, any person with even a drop of Hawaiian blood would qualify to vote on the establishment of this new, legislatively created entity that would then negotiate with the Federal government of the United States and the state of Hawaii on potentially unlimited topics."

Nonetheless, McCain voted for cloture on this bill -- which, after all, he had already shepherded through the Indian Affairs Committee, which he then chaired. The cloture vote failed with 56 votes, just four short of the needed 60. Unlike the marriage amendment, this bill would become law with simple majority votes in both houses and the president's signature. (It won just such a vote in the House in October, and has been reintroduced in the Democrat-controlled Senate.)

McCain's deference to what liberal's wanted trumped his vaunted deference to federalism. When push comes to shove, would it be any different if he becomes president?

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So, Terence, You Want the Flip Flopper?
So, Terence, do you want the flip flopper Romney? It was just five years ago that Romney was running for Massachusetts Governor, as a stridently pro-choice, pro-gay rights candidate. McCain has never run for office as anything but pro-life.


Iraq War: McCain's Threat To the Left
No publication has been more anti-Iraq War than the New York Times, which we can stipulate is the heart of the liberal establishment. John McCain was vocally in support of the surge and the vigorous prosecution of the Iraq War when it was politically unpopular; and now it is being shown that John McCain was right. On one of the most vital issues in recent times, John McCain has been the greatest threat to a liberal establishment in thrall to a Vietnam War syndrome.

Sad to see the once great paper
The NYT get so bad they rate only as yellow journalists.

quote:
Speaking of McCain
"With a record of working across the aisle to develop sound bipartisan legislation, he would offer a choice to a broader range of Americans than the rest of the Republican field," said the Times.


How could they have missed their next door States Governor?

They honestly believe Romney won in Massachusetts appealing to all those conservatives and republicans there?
hardy haha

Missed Point
The NYT wants McCain because he is Pro War ("there will be more wars") and because he is Pro Amnesty. They know he will lose in a landslide.

He gives up immigration the one issue that would draw independents and Dems to the Rep side. He is also the "War Candidate". The left will foam at the mouth for the opportunity to bury McCain in the general election. It is no wonder the NYTs wants him as the Rep Candidate. It is the end of the Rep Party as we know it.

I do not care what the current head to heads say. Just wait until the MSM go for McCain's head or worse yet if Bloomberg gets in and we have a choice among 3 liberals. That will start a 4th party.

McCain's no threat to the left
We must remind people now more than ever, that
John McCain has already violated the pres-
idential Oath of Office with his vile attack
on our free speech, was for amnesty for illegal
immigrants, has morphed into Al Gore on the
environment (Memo to global warming scare-
mongers- your TWENTY YEARS are up!), wouldn't
drill for our own oil (pathetic), and is no
supporter of our right to bear arms.
I can't consider him a Republican.

The title of the column says it all
I'll take it a step further; not only is he no threat to the Left, he's a part of the Left.

McCain-Feingold

McCain-Kennedy

McCain-Lieberman

Endorsed by Joe Lieberman.

Still waiting for any McCain-(some conservative name here) bill.


McCain has won Florida
which is an all or noting State. It is no matter that is was tight and the Cubans are what put him over the top he gets all of the Florida delegates.

RINO Rudy will drop out and endorse McCain, but I doubt that that means a lot. I would like to see a cople of more real Southern States vote before Super Tuesday but that is not to be. The primary methods we have now with all of these States manuevering to be "first" have created an even bigger mess than we had before.

We now go on to Super Tesday and it is still very much up in the air. The press will make a lot of noises about "the mo" coming out of Florida because McCain is their man but in fact if you take out the 2 weeks of early voting and the Cubans, Romney would have won. There is no big mo and super Tuesday is up in the air.

One other thing
BOTH Hucklberry and Ron Paul should drop out now. All they are doing is interfering.

I feel.........

SICK.

How could this happen? Oh yea, voter fraud ( showing up at the polls and being allowed to change parties--AGAINST THE LAW PEOPLE!!! ) and the hispanic vote. Oh and let's not forget all those delusional old farts who get all their info from the MSM. I can't wait to see that despicable little TROLL get his a*s ripped to shreds by the same media who LOVES him ( right now ) the second he gets the nomination.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving putz! I'm going to get great joy watching that jerk go down in flames!

Is this true???
We Demos allowed to change to Republican at the polls on the day voting occurred???

Someone from Florida please weigh in here on this one.

Yes Vic

It's true. People registed as independents were showing up to vote, then having a temper tantrum when told they couldn't. They were then allowed to pick a party and go vote. As far as I know they were all choosing Rep and then voting for the Troll. I'm deeply disturbed by this.

Well said
McCain will be a great punching bag for the media and Hillary as soon has they're both safely nominated. I see cabinet position for McCain in the Hillary Administration.

Iraq is no longer an issue. We won. That's what made it safe for the media to re-energize the McCain campaign. By next January Iraq will be a distant memory to most. Kind of like Kosavo is now.

The only good thing about a McCain nomination is that we'll be done with this clown in 10 months. Any chance he can be convinced to resign his Senate seat while running for the Presidency? That is a Republican tradition - right?

Ron Paul hasn't got a chance and
he and Huck BOTH need to drop out to clear the field. If he and Huck stay in it only increase the odds that RINO McCain the media darling wins.

BTW

"we" in my last post was supposed to be "were".

I think

Huck is in the race to help McAmnesty. Which bugs me to no end. They are BOTH jerks.


McCain Stolen election
MM is reporting 20% of McCain votes were ILLEGAL party changes at the polls.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/30/20-of-gop-votes-cast-b y-non-republicans/

I'm tired
Of trying to figure out how there are so many idiots in the Republican party. Apparently a lot of people think winning is more important than party principles.McCain swiftboated Romney in the last few days in Fl. and pulled out a dirty win. 10 million robocalls distorting Romney's record. This coming from a supposedly principaled man who decried negative campaigning in NH.

If Obama loses,Romney and him should run on a national unity ticket to protest the ugly party machine candidates.

Boutte
Hey dumby, I'm always tickled by you dopes who call anyone on the right a chicken hawk.Do you ever think about what's going to happen when one of your limp wristed canidates gets in office, and rolls over to show our soft white underbelly?Do you think that little p..ick in Iran is gonna play nice? The surest way to get this country into a war is show weakness to iran and china and russia. They are all salavating hoping a democrat gets in. So make your little smarmy quips , smartass,But when this country is forced into a war, Don't come cryin to us "chicken hawks!

jet pilot,, your comments are jejune
It is obvious we need to run a toxicology drug screen before you come anywhere near an airplane. The only real racists are in the Dem party: wintess the Obama and Clinton race-baiting, the KKK member Robert "Sheets" Byrd, the Democrat attempts to stop the civil-rights bill...yeah jetpilot you are a revisionist historian who ignores the fact that it is the Dems that have ALWAYS been and continue to be racist!

McFlapJack
The worst of the worst has wormed it's way to the top. In a field of losers there are no winners and the biggest losers of all will be the Americans. I will be exercising my right to write my presidential choice in November.

Phil Byler, you have got to stop
your man-crush on McCain...he is old and looks like a splitting image of Israel's Ariel Sharon before he had his coma-inducing stroke. I know you are a McCainiac but some of the stuff you say is ridiculous...you tout your son's Bronze Star...well tons of people in my family have Bronze Stars for being over in the Sand Box called the Middle East. There are lots of people who have got the Ranger tab besides your son...and that DOES NOT make Juan McQuisling a hero.

What don't you get about McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, pro-Taliban rights, politicizing Abu Ghraib, pro-illegal, anti-waterboarding, anti-Bush tax cuts...Phil have you no shame! I hope you have your Spanish book out to accomodate the hordes of undeducated, criminal illegals who will flood our shores.

Juan has been anti-Bush and pro-MSM ever since he fell in in love with Don Imus. Ever wonder why all the lib papers endorsed McCain...By the way, 20% of the vote last night was from cross-over Dems...hmm! I wonder who they voted for. Phil, PLEEZ, enough with the jejune comments

Time to now reject the rancor
If conservatives ignored "New York Times" endorsements in the past, why would they now be apoplectic over the newspaper's endorsement of McCain?

Real conservatives should have disagreed with Bush on immigration, No child Left Behind, Law of Sea Treaty, out of control spending, Iraq...yet "faux conservatives" turn a blind eye to Bush, while becoming "unglued" over McCain.

American people yearn for an end to this divisive, poisonous atmosphere that pervades politics today. That is why Obama is surging and the Billary machine is on the defensive. It is also why "talk radio" audience is way down, and why the Limbaughs of the world no longer have the effectiveness they once had.

On Iraq, the American people have already concluded it was not worth the cost. It does not much matter what occurs now on the surge. Americans have moved beyond it. They think it was a mistake. McCain's position on the war is simply that, once we made the decision to invade(whether wisely or unwisely)we must WIN it. Anyone with any knowledge on the mideast understands we will be a presence in the mideast for years to come.

I strongly oppose the war. But since Bush has presented the nation with a "fait accompli" on Iraq, we must emerge from this fiasco with an Iraq consisting of some sort of stable semi-autonomous regions under a loose federal govt.

It was a horrible mistake. Compounding the original mistake by abandoning Iraq now would create another mistake.

Our nation is ready for some broad consensus consisting of conservatives, independents, moderate elements of both parties, to work together for the good of the nation in confronting the challenges our nation faces..and this rancor, hatred, scorched-earth approach, favored by the Billary machine or talk radio, is beginning to lose its odious influence.

McCain is a USNA class goat
What do you expect from a guy who graduated near the bottom of his USNA class? All bluster and no substance...he has been poking out the eye of the GOP for the last 25 years. He married into money and is NO chip off the old block from his father or grandfather. Only POW to GAIN weight after his stay at the Hanoi Hilton. Keating 5, Gang of 14, anti-Bush tax cuts, pro-Hillary

McCain is a disgrace

Let’s face it folks.
We’re probably going to have to hold our noses in November and vote for the guy who said, during his Florida victory speech, that he’d appoint justices who would rule McCain-Feingold unconstitutional. Well … he didn’t exactly say it that way, but it must have been what he meant, mustn’t it? How else can one interpret that justices have to “rule according to the law”. Or maybe the Constitution isn’t law?

Sorry, I’m probably just confused by a Senior Moment – but not enough, yet, to vote for Hillary or Barack.


I had to turn off the TV after
Fox said that McShame got the conservative vote. It's not just the lying anymore when they are pushing their man, it's the outrageous and blatent lying.

NY & Old Folks
Florida is a giant retirement community. The old folks rule in Florida. Florida is where old folks go to die. Floridians are almost all displaced New Yorkers. Floridians will vote for anything that's old, older, or oldest. McCain is so old he may be on life support before Jan of next year. In Florida the oldsters get laws passed just for them, crossing lights stay green longer so the old folks have more time to cross the streets down there. I got nothing against old folks as the alternative to getting old isn't that good either. But looking on the bright side of things how many of these Florida voters who voted for McFlapjack will be around in November to vote?

I refuse to hold my nose during
this election.
I will write in a Conservative, or vote Dem.

No McLame ever!

Corssover Dems, Illegals, and senile voters do not Conservatives make.

MuhCain is no better than Billary
I won't declare I wouldn't hold my nose in Nov, if he makes it that far, but it sure is hard to support someone who has continually flipped me off, and even poked that same finger in my eye, again and again.

MuhCain NEEDS to be pres, so as to surpass his Dad and Grampa's rank of Admiral. What a small reason to be pres, almost as small as Sen Clintons.

USMC(ret)
"Crossover Dems, Illegals, and senile voters do not Conservatives make."

You got THAT right.

McShamnesty stated:

"I believe my party has gone astray. I think the Democratic Party is a fine party, and I have no problems with it, in their views and their philosophy."

He's either got advanced senility or is just another scummy libstain.

marine43
Yeah, it won't be long before OBL and al-Qaeda endorse Obambi. Of course the Communist Party will still endorse Her Thighness. After all, she was indoc'd in the USSR in 1970, she owes them, they OWN her!

GunnyG

Um...that would be scummy libstain.

Oh and

not so much senile as CRAZY!!!!!!!!

1maschrom
I agree, he has a lot of inner rage and hatred. Probably thought he got screwed over at the USNA. Same thing for retiring as a CAPT. At 72, he has no business running for POTUS.

For Vic,
and others who were asking; it seems that Fla has once again screwed over some voters. My wife was a poll worker yesterday, and assured me that independents who came in were informed they could not vote for repub/dem, they could only vote for the amendment on the ballot. Obviously, they weren't happy about that. So, if others elsewhere in the state were allowed to switch and vote, there really are going to be some angry people.

Mitt Romney should drop out
So we could have the real conservative Mike Huckabee against the liberal John McCain. I know those who consider Mitty conservative are in lala land and think Huckabee is a liberal even though he left Arkanasa with a balanced budger, has run a tighter fiscal campaign than any other candidate and left Arkansas light years ahead economically of where it was when he took office. Mitt did little to change the political spectrum of taxachusettes and actually in net % terms left taxes higher because he added fees to businesses. Mitt flips more often on postitions than the International House of Pancakes. John McAmnesty doesn't flip, he is just a centrist democrat.

Chopper John
MM has stated that 20% of the votes werre non-Republican.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/30/20-of-gop-votes-cast-b y-non-republicans/

THE POWER OF BIG MO

.....A few weeks before the NH Primary McCain seemed to be on his last legs and Giuliani had a comfortable lead in Florida ...

.....Then Benizar Bhutto was shot and the turmoil in Pakistan dominated the news and National Security was on the front burner ...McCain began to pick up steam because of his "National Security" creds ...Rudy wasn't in NH to put a damper on McCain so McCain wins NH and gains National attention ...

.....Since the Rudy and McCain voters were from the same pool, Rudy's supporters in Florida began to desert him in droves and switch to McCain ...
.....Now with Florida in his win column McCain becomes the Republican front runner ...how quickly the winds of fortune change ...

.....Today on FAUX, Bob Beckle predicted that McCain would win the nomination and select Romney as his running mate .....COLOSSUS


baseballdoc
"Bob Beckle predicted that McCain would win the nomination and select Romney as his running mate."

Looks like I'll be writing in Thompson/Hunter.

baseballdoc
That's exactly what the Dems want. If it winds up being McCain we will have Obama in the White House.

MCCAIN NO THREAT TO THE LEFT

.....BECAUSE HE IS ONE OF THEM ...

.....He is an admirer of Hillary and is chummy with Ted ...if he becomes President he will sign an amnesty Bill that promises to build a fence but never does (deja vu Ted Kennedy's first Amnesty Bill) ...and all troops will be out of Iraq before his first term is up (deja vu Ted Kennedy cutting off all funds for Vietnam) ...

.....McCains victory in Florida shows that the Republican Party is no longer defined by Conservatism ...the Party has been drifting left ever since Bush Sr broke his promise on no new taxes ...Bush Jr. just accelerated the drift ...

.....As further proof ...the Primary voters eliminated all the conservative candidates starting with Tancredo ...then Hunter and Thompson leaving us with McCain or Romney ...yes Dorothy, we are not in Kansas anymore .....COLOSSUS

maybe it is..
many bloggers have said..the gop is headed for the cemetary ! we may know by next week.?the statistics bear out that the gop conservatives
chose romney..! then there was a block of voters that voted mc cain over romney in money matters..it must be that real successful business record juan had, or his fighting the tax cuts! then there was a block of voters that voted romney over juan in military matters! i guess it was that tour mitt served in the green
berets! or maybe it is just plain fact: the stupid voters spend more time with their heads up their anals..than anywhere else! and then there was the reliable gov. crist who on more than one occasion...has bucked the gop! who committed to rudy..then at the last moment..left him high and dry..integrity! by the way did you notice that..martinez and crist gave each other a little bro. hug..open borders boys!it aint over...yet! and for my ol buddy TUGBOAT..explain in depth and intelligently why the bulk of the conservatives..are obviously behind mitt! i said obviously..and by gawd it is obvious! also...fla. is no longer conservative like it used to be..the majority of the moderates voted for juan mc mexico! it aint over yet!flip flop..
gime a break ..juan just changed his mind in the last few weeks about that tax cut..he fought ! duh! plus he lied thru his teeth about romney/iraq! and martinez avoided sean hannity about that.....hmm? integrity..senor! elvis

maybe it is..
many bloggers have said..the gop is headed for the cemetary ! we may know by next week.?the statistics bear out that the gop conservatives
chose romney..! then there was a block of voters that voted mc cain over romney in money matters..it must be that real successful business record juan had, or his fighting the tax cuts! then there was a block of voters that voted romney over juan in military matters! i guess it was that tour mitt served in the green
berets! or maybe it is just plain fact: the stupid voters spend more time with their heads up their anals..than anywhere else! and then there was the reliable gov. crist who on more than one occasion...has bucked the gop! who committed to rudy..then at the last moment..left him high and dry..integrity! by the way did you notice that..martinez and crist gave each other a little bro. hug..open borders boys!it aint over...yet! and for my ol buddy TUGBOAT..explain in depth and intelligently why the bulk of the conservatives..are obviously behind mitt! i said obviously..and by gawd it is obvious! also...fla. is no longer conservative like it used to be..the majority of the moderates voted for juan mc mexico! it aint over yet!flip flop..
gime a break ..juan just changed his mind in the last few weeks about that tax cut..he fought ! duh! plus he lied thru his teeth about romney/iraq! and martinez avoided sean hannity about that.....hmm? integrity..senor! elvis

You know it's funny...
how many loyal TH readers diss the NY Times for this and for that and for how lousy it is and so on. Yet they all read it and comment on it. I find it amazing that right wing nuts actually buy it or read it. Why don't we hear just as much from the true "yellow" journalism newspapers, like the Washington Times or the NY Post. I think it is because simple minded journalism attracts simpleminded people and there are none of those hear in this forum.

A "Yes" vote for Obama...
is a "No" vote against McCain.

Since leaving the California Republican Party, due to state mis-management and national failure, I am now registered as "Independent". Therefore, as an Independent in CA I cannot vote in the Republican primary, but I can vote in the Democrat's primary. So I will vote FOR Barak Obama, as a vote against Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

The Republican Party, at the state and national levels, have come under the influence of the national media. I just can't stomach McCain. I'll vote Republican no more.

elvis
Here's a tip: paragraphs, punctuation, and grammar are your friends.

Sour grapes
In Florida as other states that have closed primaries, it is not against the law to vote in the other party's primary--you simply have to re-register to the other party before the deadline. Nothing illegal or wrong about it. I am sure there were plenty of independents and GOP voters voting in the Democratic primary in 2004.

McCain will get the GOP nomination, now deal with it.

More Sour grapes
As for the claims that voters were allowed to change parties at the polls...care to provide evidence because unlike known facts that I state such as the US forcing Lee Teng Hui to sleep on his plane in Hawai'i because it wouldn't grant him a landing visa because it didn't want to upset its friend China, this claim is not a known fact--if true instead of b*tching at TH, why don't you file a formal complaint. Oh--McCain won by more than 90,000 votes, care to provide evidence that there were 90,000 voters that illegally changed parties on election day? Didn't think so.


Akagi
"In Florida as other states that have closed primaries, it is not against the law to vote in the other party's primary--you simply have to re-register to the other party before the deadline."


From what I've heard - and I may be wrong - the legal deadline to re-register in Florida is one month before the primary election. Thus, poll workers who allowed re-registration at the polls broke the law. This sounds suspiciously as if, once again, partisan liberals tried to fix the election in Florida.

I'm getting ready to vote third party
I'm preparing to vote for a third party candidate for Pres in Nov because the "powers that be" in the GOP are going with a McCain headed ticket. I think the Huck will end up as McCain's VP (who else but a Baptist Preacher could put up with McCain's temper and kookiness)..
There are too many important "down ticket" races for me to totally boycott the GOP, but I am sure that with McAmnesty heading up for the GOP in Nov, there will be sufficient Conservatives who will boycott to hand Pres Clinton2 a "filibuster proof" US Senate and a US House with a 1960s Dem majority. It's sad that the Reagan GOP could fall so far so fast.
Get ready for US socialism and working near full time for the Dem Uncle Sam who will be taking more and more from your earnings.

McCain the Bob Dole of 2008
We're leaving our ballot unmarked this year for president.Many conservatives will never vote for McCain!Good luck with the old man who's been in Washington 28yrs in a change election!

PTN
If McShamnesty gets the nod, we'll be writing in Thompson/Hunter.

That way, we vote, and our conscience is clear!

NO frigging RINOs.

McCain
If he gets the nomination he will chose Lindsey Gramnesty as a vp.He is counting on marginal repubs to vote a party ticket.It will be interesting to see if his plan works.

McClinton/ClintCain/RepublicratDemmican
The Republican party is for liberals who don't like the Clintons. I'm fed up with the RINO party, which should change it's mascot to the rhino, not the elephant. I will never vote for Sen. Amnesty. I will vote for Ron Paul if he runs.

Conspiracy
Maybe the whole thing is a Republican Party conspiracy. They wanted a liberal RINO, preferably one of the in-three McCain, RINO Rudy, or Romney. McCain was the top preference because there was “the deal” in 2000 with Bush.

So in order to assure one of the anointed three they got to “vote draws” in the race to whittle the field early. Get the religious vote to Huck because they knew he wouldn’t have a chance outside of the very religious States to assure a real conservative wouldn’t take off. Insert Ron Paul to assure that the libertarian wing of the party would not take off and he was nutty enough to assure he would never win anything, just siphon votes.

You could sure tell here in SC, the “fix” was in. All of the big wigs aligned up with McCain except the Governor who only agreed to keep his mouth shut and not endorse anyone. Then the machines at one of the heaviest population area “broke” and there were no paper ballots.

If the RINOs want the Party they can have it, they just have to figure out another name; Democrat-Lite would be most accurate.

Hope for the best, prepare for the...
If John McCain is the only Republican who can beat the Democrats in 2008, as many are now saying; the Republicans and America are in deep trouble. The Democrats and MSM are just thrilled that McCain just might end up with the Republican Nomination. They can’t lose…

Both Dole and McCain are war heroes who are genuine patriots; however, the political arena they both found themselves in is surely not patriotic. It has become a corrupted, self-serving, etc., etc. unpatriotic system that must be changed. Else, America will continue its slow decline into oblivion.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst…I urge you to V-O-T-E…else you have no right to complain!

I like the idea of drafting Thompson & Newt; however, Newt has some negatives that the “Clinton Machine” would love to grind-up and spit-out. Do not think Newt would enjoy the task of taking on the “Evil Ones”. But then who would??


MM
Ask MM to provide proof that 20% of McCain voters illegally changed parties on the day of the election. Ask Twinkie girl to file a formal complaint if she has evidence, but she won't, because she doesn't.

McCain won, and he will be the GOP standard bearer--breaks your cold, "true conservative" hearts doesn't it?

gunny
it is too early to start posting obits. Super dooper tues is a week away many things can happen before then. The news concerning mccain and his advisors and endorsements didn't have time to resonate in fla. And since over 1 million cast votes prior to the election the results are somewhat skewed. If the report of 20% indy crossover that is still open to interpretation. But at least they didn't go to the dims

The left
The left = complete socialists aka Communist.
the right = corporat socialists aka fascist.


What the GOP fails to see is that Normal people will allways vote to keep the welfare themsleves, and not give it to giant corporations.

So we have a choice Romney, or McCain. I will right in the "Constitution"

Vic/Chopper John
I live in Fl and this was how it was run.

when you went to the voting station they asked for ID and if you were a REP you got a form with a 1 on it, if you were a LIB you got a 2 on it and if you were an other the only thing you could vote on was the Amendment and got a 3 on your form.

We will not have a RESURRECTION OF Palm Beach County AGAIN because some dumb old lady forgot who she voted for.

NICE TRY THOUGH.

MCCAIN won in Fl because of the RETIRED MILITARY population and his stand on IRAQ and the SURGE.
When he gets to states that have other priorities it wont be easy for him.

Actually Vic
So, 20% (or so Twinkie girl claims) were non-GOP but re-registered as GOP--so what? 100% legal. In many states you can vote in either primary. I am quite sure in 2004 when Bush 43 had no opposition many GOP voters switched parties for the Dem primary to vote in it--to vote for the weakest Dem candidate--its called spiking.

It's legal. Get over it.

All over but the shouting?
On super tuesday, in New York, California, Illinois, and New Jersey, it looks like McCain has a solid lead and the Florida win can't hurt. In Georgia, Missouri and Tennesse, it could be Huck or, with Thompson out, it could be up for grabs. Georgia seems likely for Huckabee, but Missouri's a toss-up.

Momentum has decided every election for decades. If Florida pushes momentum, then given only a week before Super Tuesday, and the fact that Romney has indicated that those results may decide it for him, it's will be all over but the shouting unless conservatives rally.

HERE YE
Heres how the Presidential Elections will run.

The LIBS love MCCAIN now but when he has to go up against HITLERY she will push MCCAIN as a replacement of the same old BUSH Policies in IRAQ and will sweep him like Reagan did the DEMS when he ran for office. The surge might be working but by the time the elections come around the WAR will be a target again.

None of the Delegates on the LIBS side want to even mention the WAR or most important ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. They want the ILLEGALS VOTE.

Buzzcat
Yes, but prove that any one was allowed to change parties last night. And prove that at least 90,000 of them did and that they all went to McCain or at least 90,000+ of the illegal party switchers voted for McCain.

The truth is the GOP voted for McCain--just a hard pill for you to swallow.


Akagi
The problem isnt 20% of illegal voting its the LIBS using their PETS and DEAD people when voting really gets started. Theres plenty of proof of that happening just GOOGLE it.

DONT WIPE ON OR WIPE OFF ME BRO

Georgia
Eben:

Last poll (taken yesterday) has Huckabee around 34% and McCain at 19%. He will win Georgia, but NY, NJ, Cal will all go to McCain--the GOP race is over. Probably a McCain/Huckabee ticket.




Dead people
If you have proof of dead people and dogs voting in the GOP primary last night, you should file a complaint with the SOS office and perhaps the DA in the county in which this happened.


Other states
McCain leds in Cal by 12, 30+ in NY, 18 in Penn, 10+ in NJ, 20+ in CT, tied in Alabama with Huckabee. McCain is going to wipe the floor with Romney on Tuesday and Huckabee will win a few of the former CSA states (Georgia and maybe Alabama and Tenn.). Romney may not win a single state. I can't find a single state where he is leading today.

McCain is the nominee.


Silly Column
As a moderate Dem (free warning) I cannot tell you how silly this column seems. McCain is such a good politician that in the process of fooling many liberals he has fooled many conservative pundits, up to and including Rush Limbaugh! This guy has an 83% conservative voting record after decades in the Senate. He is the staunchest supporter of the Iraq War. He has always been extremely anti-abortion. While he didn't vote for Bush's tax cuts, he has never, ever voted for a tax increase, and his opposition to Bush's tax cuts was largely based on fear of the deficit rising, which it has, hugely -- and not just because of the war. "Deficits may not matter" when you're an irresponsible child running up the daddy's credit card bill, but eventually all money has to be paid back. The grownups of tomorrow will have to pay it back.

Sillly Column, Part II
And need I remind you that "conservative" Bush championed the prescription medication bill, and championed what was actually a truly tough immigration bill that called for significant fines, English-language education, and long waiting periods before illegals could become citizens. Do you people honestly think we're going to be able to round up and deport 10 million people that we have allowed to work and build lives here for 5, 10, or even 20 years? The ship has sailed. We screwed up. I say build a border fence and see what we can do to integrate those that are here. If you're angry, be angry at the giant (largely-Republican) business interests that have fought immigration reform for thirty years precisely because they want these people here so they can pay them $5/hr off the books. I'm not angry at them, though. Take Oklahoma. They passed draconian anti-illegal laws and now their economy has gone to heck even without a housing crisis, and the Republican business interests are coming for the heads of the Republican legislators who passed the thing. Talk about a wedge within a wedge!

So what about Romney: as recently as the beginning of the Iraq War (think about that), this guy was a pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-spending RHINO. THIS is the National Review's guy? THIS is the guy they want over a guy with an 83% lifetime conservative voting record after decades in the Senate??? Absurd.

Silly Column, Part III
Oh, and if the NYT had really wanted to help McCain, they would not have endorsed him. That is because at this point that myopic bastion of elitism finally gets that they are toxic waste in the eyes even conservatives and even in the eyes of many moderate Repubs and independents. The LAST thing the people at the NYT want is McCain getting the nomination. He's the only Republican who has a prayer of defeating either Obama or Clinton in today's political climate.

McCain and the GOP
so now we hear the word from the "peanut gallery" that McCain is unbeatable because on "super Tuesday" he will take NY, NJ, and CA...ALL three states that he will have NO chance of carrying in the general election. How pathetic for the GOP; the very states that will go the "bluest" in Nov will be the ones to decide its candidate!
Without his bud, Thompson, announcing, it is highly doubtful that McCain would have carried South Carlonia, and without this victory for McCain, Guiliani may well have beat him in FL. McCain should have been stopped in South Carolina where he was rejected by 2/3rds of the GOP primary voters, and where Obama and Hillary were locked in a tight race so Dems/Ind had a reason NOT to vote in the GOP primary.
So, why was Fred Thompson ever a candidate and tauted by the media as the "conservatives'" choice?

Akagi
We didnt have proof of Dead people voting last night because nearly all of the LIBS voted absentee so how would we know if their pets and dead vote. There votes didnt count anyway. at least the REPS(RNC) gave a little credit to its people when they voted but OH NO the LIBS the party of the People wouldnt even let my state count, So as i see it no LIB won in FL election. That ought to say alot about who RUNS the DNC.
I bet MR SOROS was happy last night for you know he now owns the DNC and had his hand in not allowiung FL DEM Party to count. You LIBS will hate ther day that SOROS got involved in your business, just ask the countries that he helped go under and made him rich.

What makes me a Lib
I am unsure you are aware of any of my views where you could honestly predict my political leanings, but I guess I am a Lib according to many of the mindless that inhabit TH--which is if you don't agree with us 100% you are a Lib. McCain has a 84% lifetime voting record with the American Conservative Union, but because he doesn't vote in lockstep with people here, he is a RINO or Lib. Okay, great.

And actually the people who voted early and absentee favored Romney over McCain, it was the people who came in person that more heavily favored McCain and that was from FoxNews, hardly a liberal source.

And it isn't because he will win just CA, NY and NJ..but nearly every state being contested. Outside of a few former CSA states for Huckabee and Romney's home state along with two heavily Mormon states for Romney (Colorado and Utah), McCain wins the rest and then it is over.

Nagumo should have launched the third wave too, but he didn't and McCain wasn't stopped in SC either--so should of doesn't matter much now does it?

Akagi
MCSHAME might have a 84% lifetime record with American Conservative Union but you left out the Main reason that stat was published and it was because MCSHAME only had a 54% record last year in voting on Conservative ideas. The older he gets the More LIBERAL he becomes thats why you LIBS like him so much. WHY, because you LIBS know that he will be easier to defeat than anyone else. When you see LIBS on here pulling for REP candidates it only means DEFEATISM for the REP candidate. Dont try and pull some CRAP over our heads you only get away with that with your Base

you need to make some more KOOL-ADE YOURS IS TURNING SOUR.

Since you can't read minds
So Chuck, please explain to us all why I am a Lib? Care to expand on any of my views that would make me one?

Do I support some things that could be considered liberal, sure. But I also support things that could be considered conservative as well, why, because I am not a zealot or a Myrmidon. McCain and I don't agree with each other 100% of the time. But of what the GOP had to offer as the front line, he was less flawed than Huckabee or Romney.


Dick
Personally abortions are sickening but they aren't an issue, where as taxes are. No one is going to do anything about row vs wade!!! It is a mute point. Look at all the liberal ways McCain has voted. He is great buddies with Lieberman. He is backed by a liberal news paper what else do you have to know to see this is not the guy for us!! Have a V-8 and wake up your brains!!

Comments ridiculous about McCain
John McCain is as much a conservative as Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater. Just because he doesn't march in lockstep with the Republican Party on every issue doesn't make him a liberal. I don't want my president to take his marching orders from the party but from the American people. Presidents are elected to represent all of America not just one party. McCain is the only candidate who really does want to control wasteful spending and with his military service he knows how much wasteful military spending there is. With McCain you will get lower taxes that are not put on the backs of our children and grandchildren to pay off for us. McCain is also an honorable man who served his country when it wasn't fashionable. He paid his dues so those of you who criticize him would have that right.

Let me count the ways........

........to bad mouth McScrew. No, why bother. You ALL know the many strikes against this sucker. If he is nominated he will lose the entire conservative wing of the Repub base.

I tried to tell my little brother, Charlie, that like it or not, a vote for Giuliani is a vote for McScrew, but did he and many more listen. NO.!!

Just because some dunces, excuse me, DUNCES, voted for Giuliani because God said that Mormons are not true christians¿?¿?¿, then McScrew gets the nomination which is saying, The shrew from H&LL becomes president in less than a year. Shrillary, Billary, let me count the ways.

Vote against a fairly good repub candidate because his religion is a little funny, but no, it's OK if Obama bin Laden or Shrillary become prez.

Just cut off your figging nose to spite your screwy face.

My God people, can't you see the handwriting on the wall. The NEW YORK TIMES endorses McScrew because win lose or draw the left wins.

I can understand, although I disagree, with the supporters of Doctor what's his name, but to fly in the face of reality and support McScrew knowing that will be all she wrote for at least four years, maybe eight, is plain stupidity. EVERY VOTE for someone other than Romney is a vote for THE SHREW. There is no other candidate that can take the repubs to victory in 2008 and even he will/would have a pitched battle on his hands.

Support Romney, NOT my number one choice but the only choice conservatives have. PERIOD:!!


Akagi
What conservatives are questioning is how anyone can call McCain conservative after the multiple amnesty bills, the attack on the 1st amendment with McCain-Feingold, the gang of 14, and the Keating 5. I remember quite well after the amnesty crap so many saying McCain was fuinished with conservatives. In fact, I don't know a soul that is supporting him. And how can Libs like him either since, with the war being such an issue with the left, and McCain pretty much promising the continuation of the current war and hinting to even more wars. This is a curious thing. This just isn't making sense.

I can see how he got some support, or the appearence of support. With (5) candidates chopping and slicing up the vote, it could appear McCain is popular. On the other hand, if you count the numbers of those who voted against McCain, it is clear McCain is not the conservative choice.

Time to burn the house down
It's time to burn the house down to save it from the termites. I would rather have this country destroyed by a Democrat than destroyed by a Republican. I'm not voting for John McCain in this election. I'm just not. What does it matter? This nation is finished. It's all over.

Bobzmcishl
Lots of us who paid our dues know the story but will never vote for McScrew.

He is just too much baggage to vote for. Sorry, you are wasting your vote with a loser.




McCain and the immigration disaster
Apparently, McCain Republicans voted for amnesty that permits scores of millions of illegals to become citizens with only a slap on the wrist, a paltry $5,000 fine. Most of the illegals will claim hardship and the fines will be waived by a benevolent, liberal McCain government. I say scores of millions because McCain's amnesty proposals permit illegals to bring in relatives.

Few of these millions of future citizens speak English. Few know anything about American history. Few are well educated. Most believe the US stole the Southwest from Mexico. In their minds, allowing a massive invasion of Mexicans is only payback for past, evil American policies. Mexico will win the "war" of revoking US sovereignty without firing a shot, thanks to the politics of McCain, Bush, and Kennedy.

McCain has already answered Russert's question of whether he would sign an amnesty bill if he were President. He said yes. The millions of new citizens will destroy the Republican Party and turn the Southwest into a Latino territory with dual loyalties to Mexico.

There's still time. Stop McCain.






Wayfinder
I'm with you. When something stinks this bad, you don't just hold your nose, you get the h&ll out of the room.

When I vote, I will support other conservatives on the ticket, but no vote for McCain. Let the Dems rightfully take the blame for the upcoming chaos.

What difference will a vote for McCain make? We are doomed to have liberal policies with Hill, Obama, or McCain. I am seeing some people insisting he has a conservative record. Didn't have time to look...was too busy visiting, calling, e-mailing, faxing my reps to protest his amnesty scams. McCain kept me very busy for months. The actions I had to take to defeat his liberal actions speak more loudly than his occassional conservative vote.

Why is McCain in the lead? Blame the candidates that are refusing to drop out and allowing the votes to be divided by 5.

McCain
Early2rise:

Amnesty...well Reagan did it too..not a conservative? Care to read his farewell address sometime?

The gang of 14..he was 100% correct, because he understood that one day the GOP wouldn't have the Senate (like today) and one day wouldn't have the White House (perhaps in 11 months and some odd days) and a Presient Hillary with a Harry Reid Senate could appoint the most leftist you ever saw to the courts and without the Senate rule the radicals in the GOP wanted to get rid off there would be nothing the GOP could do to stop her. McCain had foresight, something many here seem to lack.

I didn't like the Bush immigration bill, but he did understand that the 20 million aren't going anyplace and at some point you are going to have normalize many of them.

He is incorrect on ANWAR, but you can't drill yourself out of the problem. He was wrong on McCain-Feingold, but at some point you have to do something to limit--to borrow a Taiwan phrase--"money politics."

He is right on the issues, if not always right on the method to address them.

And onceamarine, I don't dislike Romney for his faith, I dislike him because he lies and flip flops. If you want that, you could have voted for Gore or Kerry. Oh and I support limited government, so I don't support a big government conservative any more than a big government liberal. Huckabee is no fan of limited government. McCain is flawed (isn't everyone), but he is the least flawed of the 3 left.

McRINO
Those touting McRINO, mainly the MSM-AND the Dems
who have been "pumping up his name" is for a reason: THEY KNOW IF McCAIN WINS, THEY "STILL GET THEIR SIDES OF ANY ARGUMENTS OR BILLS PASSED BY HIM-ONE OF THEIR OWN".

He has proven himself to be MORE Dem, than GOP-in
all his "left leaning attitudes and buddies he has aligned himself with-taking swipes at his supposed own party-the GOP. I DO NOT TRUST THIS
DEM, IN GOP'S CLOTHING, NOR DO I LIKE MOST OF WHAT HE HAS IN HIS VOTING RECORD THUS FAR. MITT IS RIGHT IN THAT-"McCAIN'S RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF". HOW TRUE. McCAIN HAS BUDDIED UP WITH THE LIKES OF HILLARY, AMONG MANY, REBUFFING THOSE
WITHIN HIS OWN? PARTY?....HE IS A FAKE, MEAN-SPIRITED, AND IS FOR AMNESTY-WHICH I WILL NOT SUPPORT....ILLEGAL, IS ILLEGAL.

LIKE MANY, IF McRINO IS THE NOMINEE, I WILL SIT THIS ONE OUT, AS HE IS JUST LIKE THE DEMS, SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? THERE IS NONE. THIS, IS WHY THE DEMS WANT McRINO, BECAUSE EITHER "OBAMA,
OR HILLARY "CAN BEAT HIM", AND IF NOT, THEY STILL
HAVE ONE OF "THEIR OWN IN OFFICE".

THE REAL GOP OUT THERE NEEDS TO WAKE UP, AND KNOW
WHAT THIS GUY IS ALL ABOUT, AND STOP BACKING HIM-
HE HAS ALREADY GONE AGAINST BUSH TAX CUTS, HE DOES WANT AMNESTY, HE ADMITS HIMSELF THAT HE DOES
NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT ECONOMICS....WHAT THE HELL DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEED TO WAKE THEM UP?
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN BEHIND MITT, WHO HAS A PROVEN RECORD, AND PERSONAL BACKGROUND, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE SEVERAL WIVES AND A LOT OF BAGGAGE. McRINO IS OLD, AS WELL AS BEING A 'STATUS QUO POLITICO' OF D.C. THAT PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED WITH. ROMNEY DID A GOOD JOB AS GOV. IN
MA., AGAINST ALL "LIBERAL ODDS-KENNEDY AND KERRY"

McRINO
Those touting McRINO, mainly the MSM-AND the Dems
who have been "pumping up his name" is for a reason: THEY KNOW IF McCAIN WINS, THEY "STILL GET THEIR SIDES OF ANY ARGUMENTS OR BILLS PASSED BY HIM-ONE OF THEIR OWN".

He has proven himself to be MORE Dem, than GOP-in
all his "left leaning attitudes and buddies he has aligned himself with-taking swipes at his supposed own party-the GOP. I DO NOT TRUST THIS
DEM, IN GOP'S CLOTHING, NOR DO I LIKE MOST OF WHAT HE HAS IN HIS VOTING RECORD THUS FAR. MITT IS RIGHT IN THAT-"McCAIN'S RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF". HOW TRUE. McCAIN HAS BUDDIED UP WITH THE LIKES OF HILLARY, AMONG MANY, REBUFFING THOSE
WITHIN HIS OWN? PARTY?....HE IS A FAKE, MEAN-SPIRITED, AND IS FOR AMNESTY-WHICH I WILL NOT SUPPORT....ILLEGAL, IS ILLEGAL.

LIKE MANY, IF McRINO IS THE NOMINEE, I WILL SIT THIS ONE OUT, AS HE IS JUST LIKE THE DEMS, SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? THERE IS NONE. THIS, IS WHY THE DEMS WANT McRINO, BECAUSE EITHER "OBAMA,
OR HILLARY "CAN BEAT HIM", AND IF NOT, THEY STILL
HAVE ONE OF "THEIR OWN IN OFFICE".

THE REAL GOP OUT THERE NEEDS TO WAKE UP, AND KNOW
WHAT THIS GUY IS ALL ABOUT, AND STOP BACKING HIM-
HE HAS ALREADY GONE AGAINST BUSH TAX CUTS, HE DOES WANT AMNESTY, HE ADMITS HIMSELF THAT HE DOES
NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT ECONOMICS....WHAT THE HELL DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEED TO WAKE THEM UP?
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN BEHIND MITT, WHO HAS A PROVEN RECORD, AND PERSONAL BACKGROUND, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE SEVERAL WIVES AND A LOT OF BAGGAGE. McRINO IS OLD, AS WELL AS BEING A 'STATUS QUO POLITICO' OF D.C. THAT PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED WITH. ROMNEY DID A GOOD JOB AS GOV. IN
MA., AGAINST ALL "LIBERAL ODDS-KENNEDY AND KERRY"

McRINO
Those touting McRINO, mainly the MSM-AND the Dems
who have been "pumping up his name" is for a reason: THEY KNOW IF McCAIN WINS, THEY "STILL GET THEIR SIDES OF ANY ARGUMENTS OR BILLS PASSED BY HIM-ONE OF THEIR OWN".

He has proven himself to be MORE Dem, than GOP-in
all his "left leaning attitudes and buddies he has aligned himself with-taking swipes at his supposed own party-the GOP. I DO NOT TRUST THIS
DEM, IN GOP'S CLOTHING, NOR DO I LIKE MOST OF WHAT HE HAS IN HIS VOTING RECORD THUS FAR. MITT IS RIGHT IN THAT-"McCAIN'S RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF". HOW TRUE. McCAIN HAS BUDDIED UP WITH THE LIKES OF HILLARY, AMONG MANY, REBUFFING THOSE
WITHIN HIS OWN? PARTY?....HE IS A FAKE, MEAN-SPIRITED, AND IS FOR AMNESTY-WHICH I WILL NOT SUPPORT....ILLEGAL, IS ILLEGAL.

LIKE MANY, IF McRINO IS THE NOMINEE, I WILL SIT THIS ONE OUT, AS HE IS JUST LIKE THE DEMS, SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? THERE IS NONE. THIS, IS WHY THE DEMS WANT McRINO, BECAUSE EITHER "OBAMA,
OR HILLARY "CAN BEAT HIM", AND IF NOT, THEY STILL
HAVE ONE OF "THEIR OWN IN OFFICE".

THE REAL GOP OUT THERE NEEDS TO WAKE UP, AND KNOW
WHAT THIS GUY IS ALL ABOUT, AND STOP BACKING HIM-
HE HAS ALREADY GONE AGAINST BUSH TAX CUTS, HE DOES WANT AMNESTY, HE ADMITS HIMSELF THAT HE DOES
NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT ECONOMICS....WHAT THE HELL DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEED TO WAKE THEM UP?
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN BEHIND MITT, WHO HAS A PROVEN RECORD, AND PERSONAL BACKGROUND, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE SEVERAL WIVES AND A LOT OF BAGGAGE. McRINO IS OLD, AS WELL AS BEING A 'STATUS QUO POLITICO' OF D.C. THAT PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED WITH. ROMNEY DID A GOOD JOB AS GOV. IN
MA., AGAINST ALL "LIBERAL ODDS-KENNEDY AND KERRY"

McRINO
Those touting McRINO, mainly the MSM-AND the Dems
who have been "pumping up his name" is for a reason: THEY KNOW IF McCAIN WINS, THEY "STILL GET THEIR SIDES OF ANY ARGUMENTS OR BILLS PASSED BY HIM-ONE OF THEIR OWN".

He has proven himself to be MORE Dem, than GOP-in
all his "left leaning attitudes and buddies he has aligned himself with-taking swipes at his supposed own party-the GOP. I DO NOT TRUST THIS
DEM, IN GOP'S CLOTHING, NOR DO I LIKE MOST OF WHAT HE HAS IN HIS VOTING RECORD THUS FAR. MITT IS RIGHT IN THAT-"McCAIN'S RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF". HOW TRUE. McCAIN HAS BUDDIED UP WITH THE LIKES OF HILLARY, AMONG MANY, REBUFFING THOSE
WITHIN HIS OWN? PARTY?....HE IS A FAKE, MEAN-SPIRITED, AND IS FOR AMNESTY-WHICH I WILL NOT SUPPORT....ILLEGAL, IS ILLEGAL.

LIKE MANY, IF McRINO IS THE NOMINEE, I WILL SIT THIS ONE OUT, AS HE IS JUST LIKE THE DEMS, SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? THERE IS NONE. THIS, IS WHY THE DEMS WANT McRINO, BECAUSE EITHER "OBAMA,
OR HILLARY "CAN BEAT HIM", AND IF NOT, THEY STILL
HAVE ONE OF "THEIR OWN IN OFFICE".

THE REAL GOP OUT THERE NEEDS TO WAKE UP, AND KNOW
WHAT THIS GUY IS ALL ABOUT, AND STOP BACKING HIM-
HE HAS ALREADY GONE AGAINST BUSH TAX CUTS, HE DOES WANT AMNESTY, HE ADMITS HIMSELF THAT HE DOES
NOT KNOW MUCH ABOUT ECONOMICS....WHAT THE HELL DOES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEED TO WAKE THEM UP?
THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN BEHIND MITT, WHO HAS A PROVEN RECORD, AND PERSONAL BACKGROUND, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE SEVERAL WIVES AND A LOT OF BAGGAGE. McRINO IS OLD, AS WELL AS BEING A 'STATUS QUO POLITICO' OF D.C. THAT PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED WITH. ROMNEY DID A GOOD JOB AS GOV. IN
MA., AGAINST ALL "LIBERAL ODDS-KENNEDY AND KERRY"

Greens
"What difference will a vote for McCain make?"

Yeah, the same question those that voted for Nader in 2000 asked in 2000 before the election. They got the answer when Bush was elected, if they had voted for Gore instead, Bush would have lost in 2000 and Gore would have been sworn in as president. What did they get--a war in Iraq, the withdrawing from Kyoto, trying to drill in ANWAR, etc etc. I bet few Nader voters support Bush policies, I bet they would much rather had Gore in office. So when Hillary puts Ginsberg-like judges on the bench, universal healthcare, universal pre-k, raises your taxes, and on and on, ask yourself what the difference was.

Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
Please document your claim that McCain is not a liberal!

Use a link, like;
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/23/122006.sht ml

__________________________
AND;
Americans take note;
Akagi is not Left or Right, he is ANTI-AMERICAN
He is a bipartisan nuisance!
Any of you Libs feel free to throw a Left jab.
He will be after you next or screaming "Hate America".

AKAGI
I dont have to explain to us nothing but a LIB is a LIB all you have to do is go back an read some of your comments if you want to prove to yourself what Im calling you.

I am a REP and I dont care if Hitlery was to give out some conservative ideology I still would not like her or vote for her. Libs like to embolden a person they know they can BEAT so I will continue to call you a LIB if you like it or not. If you are not a LIB then so be it. Just come out an state so. If you dont want to be call a LIB then maybe you need to find another internet to go to because on here we know a LIB when we hear a LIB.

Just ask HALD,WOBBIE,MLDOGGIE they know what Im talking about so why dont you. Better get off the KOOL AID. Its making you WOBBLY

I'm so upset
I'm so upset, I'm so upset, I'm so upset -- three times in rapid succession did my sister last night on the phone breathlessly utter her extreme alarm at the news of McCain's taking Florida's delegates!

She understands as I do that McCain is unacceptable. He is a liberal in Republican clothing -- and we spit him out.

Our entire family rejects him and will WORK to see him defeated now and in the National, if, Lord help us, it comes to that. And if it means Hillary takes the oath then so be it!!!

Like another THer writes: I'd rather see a Democrat ruin the nation than a (so-called) Republican. Because ruined it will be if McStupid gets his hands on the White House!!!

No to McCain/Lieberman (a democrat/independent)
No to McCain/Kennedy (a democrat)
No to McCain/Feingold (a democrat)
No to the Gang of 14 (aligning himself with democrats)
No to the one who voted against the Bush tax cuts.
No to the one who voted against drilling in Anwar.
No to the one who REFUSES to support a Federal Marriage Amendment.
No to the one who wants to give constitutional rights to terrorists by closing Guantanamo and imprisoning jihadists on our soil.

This man has a screw loose and the last place we need him is on Pennsylavania Ave.



Can we put shamnesty to rest
once and for all? I, like millions of conservatives, want the illegals to come out of the shadows too. There are laws that have been on the books for 40 years. The government doesn't follow them and therefore can't be trusted to do anything with a shamnesty other than pass them through as legal( the easy way out). We are making a stand. Enforce the laws and the border. McCain you didn't get the message and you will never get the message. And all you people that keep pushing this lib lover at us are fools if you believe him. Vote Romney/Thompson.

Myopine
I am going to try to resisit replying to you...I rather not waste my time with mental patients--there is a Chinese saying of "dui niu tan qin" meaning to play music for the ox...I am sure you can understand the meaning of such. But since liberal and conservative and moderate are terms that are mostly based on opinion and not objective data, it would be difficult to provide such. I am sure I can find a source that says McCain is a liberal and one that say he is not. But neither would be objective. And MP, when did I say I hated the US?

And Chuck, you can call me what you like, doesn't make the statement accurate now does it?


Akagi
McCain flip flopped on every issue and McCain slandered Romney. Totally fabricated tales.

BTW-I didn't approve of Reagans amnesty either. Reagan gave amnesty to 1/3 of the amount of illegals McCain will be giving amnesty to. Nevertheless, it is a door that should have NEVER been opened. So what can we do with the 12+ millions illegally here? Deport them slowly but surely. Follow the law of the land. It's inconvenient, but not impossible.

Your gang of 14 explanation I find unacceptable. Certianly entitled to you opinion, but it doesn't do it for me. Bottom line, he betrayed every core conservative value and belief. I would have to vote 3rd party or write-in. McCain would NEVER get my vote. This is not a temper tantrum, this is a 'value' move. Appointing McCain is the equivalent of appointing Ted Kennedy as the GOP front runner. If that's the case, the GOP no longer is the party that represents me. The constitution is suppose to be protected, defended, and upheld. McCain has already defiled and devalued it. I am hoping a 3rd 'conservative' party evolves from this mess.

Keep fulminating, you purists
The more you rant about how McCain is not sufficiently orthodox in his conservatism, the more reasonable he will seem to swing voters, thereby increasing the otherwise remote chance that we could actually still elect a president who will nominate originalist or strict constructionist justices, who will hold down the growth of federal spending and who will vigorously defend us against our enemies. Keep on ranting!

What is Sad here !
{Even} If McCain because our next President .
We real devout Conservatives see him as no more than extention of Bill Clinton Politic's ! Both Houses in Congress and a McCain in the OVAL OFFICE Leaves me as sad as when Reagan waving to the world when he flew to Calif a last time .No one would ever replace him in fact quite the opposite sadly I thought back then but well know now .

Isn't it nice to
be able to scroll right on by silly 1, 2, & 3?

Vic, your 10:56 post says it all. I am not a big believer of conspiracy theories but one really has to wonder given what we have seen with McCain this time around.

Several pundits continue to spout off that McCain is the "only one" who can beat Hillary.
I was thinking why they are saying this because I think almost ANYONE could beat Hillary in a fair election (no dead, illegals, or multiple voting).

So why is this being said? Because LIBERALS will vote for McCain over Hillary, and they could never vote for a true conservative over her.
So even if a percentage of conservatives write in or don't vote McCain will still win because of the liberals who cross over. I am just basing this on libs I have talked to who say they will vote for McCain over Obama or Clinton.

Jo, sorry to echo your
sentiment. I had not caught up with all the posts before submitting mine.

Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
I am glad to see you are refusing to reply to my posts.
That is what you meant in the post you addressed to me? LOL :-)

Does that mean you won't threaten to kick me in the face like last time?
_______________________________________________
Hey guys;
This Akagi guy is more fun than Wobbie when you get him wound up.

Here is an example of his humor;
(An actual post!)
"Akagi writes: 6:10 PM
Ruby Ridge
Ruby Ridge was during the administration of George H.W. Bush. The Atty. Gen was William Barr and the head of the FBI was William Sessions. Clinton and Reno had nothing to do with this fiasco."

I should have kept the humorous verbal tap dance he did trying to lie his way out of that! LOL

I think he is some kind of North Korean student.

MCain
An interesting observation

"The conservative movement will groan, grimace, and then after Super-Duper Tuesday start talking up what they like about McCain — beginning but not ending with his Iraq policy — while turning their attention back to the manifest flaws of one Hillary Rodham Clinton."

— John Hood, chairman and president of the John Locke Foundation.

mouse
Interesting indeed.

But will never apply to 'THIS' conservative.
There is NOTHING I like about McCain.

1912
early2rise:

Okay. And do you recall what happened the last time a large faction left the GOP to form its own party--well it was Teddy and Bull Moose, recall the results? Wilson defeated Teddy (2nd place) and Taft (GOP in 3rd). In 1916, Wilson was re-elected. You want 8 years of Hillary or worse Obama? Yes, Obama is worse. He is far to the left of her.

McCain didn't slander Romney, he said in his own words for a time table for Iraq...a private time table. He said he would veto one imposed by Congress, but he clearly said he supported a private time table. McCain was accurate, if anyone slandered anyone in this case, it was Romney.

How do you plan to deport them slowly or otherwise? How long do you think it would take to have deporation proceedings for 12 or 20 million people? A CIS study showed 900,000+ new illegals entering the US each year, about 200,000 left on their own or died and some 180,000 were legalized and 63,000 were deported--at the rate of 63,000 it would take you 15 years just to remove a single year of illegals. To remove 20 million, assuming no more come over--317 years. If the US began that process it 1789, it would still have 98 years left to complete the process. The idea you can deport them in any significant numbers is a drug induced fantasy.

And again, he was right about the Gang of 14--he was right about the tax cuts too. Reagan's tax cuts were coupled with spending cuts, not runaway spending that Bush has embarked on.

Hope you like what you are going to get, but I am betting this is all talk and when the choice between fours years (or 8) of Hillary or Obama, you'll actually do the intelligent thing...a vote for a 3rd party "true conservative" is a vote for the party you claim to loath.

mouse
You must have came from someplace where there are no Republicans.
http://www.newsmax.com/john_lebouttillier/long_race/2008/01 /09/62945.html

America survived 8 years of Bill Clinton.
McCain would do far more harm to America than Hillary and Republicans would be blamed for his incompetence and childish temper tantrums.

Rather than America being screw by a Liberal disguised as a Republican it is better to have a known real Liberal do it and take the blame!

nov 2008
The Dem election strategists could not have produced a better playing field for whomever the liberal they run is than the GOP has produced.
With McCain as the Presidential nominee of the GOP this November, the immigration/border DEFENSE issue (perhaps the single national issue on which the GOP carried the advantage over the Democrats and could use to rally the GOP base) will be neutered.
The Democrats, with McCain leading the GOP, will not be forced to answwer questions about immigration/border defense.

Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
Document your spew!
Post links!

Like for instance, If I posted a statement that Akagi belongs to a Party that provides children to pedophiles, I would post this link;
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

POST LINKS TO DOCUMENT YOUR WILD SPEW!
Everyone knows you make up whatever you think is convenient and present it as factual evidense.


Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
Lay down your opium pipe for a moment and read this!
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/19/mexican-state-whines- about-influx-of-mexican-workers/

So much for your long winded diatribe about the impossibility of deporting Illegals.

Can't you document ANY of your fantasies?
Are they ALL lies or are you just to dumb to learn how to post a link?

AND;
The next time you threaten to kick me in the face I am going to hit my F9 key and launch a proton torpedo right through your monitor!

The establishment
really expects the wayward conservative children
to meekly return to the fold, because where else can these fools go. What more do they want? We allow them to vote every two to four years and they should all be grateful for that, then they should SHUT UP and SIT DOWN! There arrogance and contempt for AMERICANS is mindboggling yet without us, they'd still be a second rate go along, get along for the perks band of people who never really had to do an honest days work, plus they have THEIR $$$ sheltered off shore.
I'm sick of the lot of them. I WON'T vote for this traitor ever. Not only that he's a NUT,
either his POW years warped his brain or there's a more sinister reason..Melanoma. We should never for get that, he's had three bouts, he's ;71, and mentally unstable..do we want a NUT
for POTUS? I believe these past several elections are God's wakeup call on a rebellious people. He never changes. If He chastized Israel for the sins of her Kings, why would we be so arrogant to think He wouldn't bring us down. That's the scariest thought, for my kids and grandkids. The problem with the greedy geezers in Florida is that it's all about them, look how Srs are whining for a rebate too. We're retired and we don't want to add an other burden on our kids/grandkids but with these geezers, its all about them. I guess they figure they may as well get everything while they are still breathing, to heck with the future of their families or the country.

No Republicans
MyOpine writes:
mouse
You must have came from someplace where there are no Republicans.

I must admit you have me there. I do not know any Republicans. It is also true that if there were to be a Republican whose election would not put me into a deep depression, it would be McCain. I'll still be surprised if you guys don't get behind him once he has the nomination, though.

Myopine
I still am unclear your point, perhaps because I have problems understanding people who have mental problems. The comment that sparked my reply was that RR and Waco was the fault of Clinton and Reno. RR began on August 21, 1992, this was months before the 1992 election and the swearing in of Bill Clinton or Janet Reno.

So are you saying RR was not during the Bush administration? Was the the Atty. Gen and thus head of the DOJ not William Barr? Was not the head of the FBI William Sessions? Please show me how my statement is incoorect, you have yet to do so yet.

DPRK student? Hardly, not that many DPRK students abroad these days and internet access in the DPRK is quite limited and access to TH would not doubt be restricted. Also, I doubt few DPRK residents would pick Akagi as a name--outside the US, the DPRK is more paranoid of Japan than anyone. I suppose there could be some Japanese women abductees in the DPRK with the name Akagi, but again see above about internet access. However, myopine, when I listened to North Korean radio back in the 1990s, your statements sound very similar--total BS.




Akagi
We get the illegals out by whatever means necessary. If it takes 15 years, so be it! (But I seriously doubt it would if we genuinely applied ourselves to the effort)

Unintelligent? Why? Because I refuse to compromise my principles any furhter? There is ZERO DIFFERENCE between McCain & Hillary. Zero!

Sometime in life, you'll be forced to draw a line in the sand. McCain is where I draw mine in the political arena. The GOP annointing McCain is no different than annointing Kennedy. It's a "you gotta be kidding!" conservative moment. For me to back McCain is like me giving the GOP the nod on liberalism. If the GOP is now liberal, I have not a thing in common with them anymore. Time for me to bolt.

And you are wrong about Romney. He would set timetables to be met strategically...but would NEVER announce to the world...terrorists included, what his plans are and what to expect. That makes more strategic sense than McCains foolish announcement.

mouse
Bush is almost as bad a RINO as McCain and Liberals make up lies,
http://www.mrc.org/realitycheck/2006/fax20060413.asp

And even falsify Government documents trying to harm him.

Bush invents new Federal Welfare programs and throws tax money away just like any Progressive would yet we still hear complaints about his election.
It is not possible to please a Progressive.

Democrats tried to punch stacks of ballots so thick they ended up with dimples & hanging chads and still could not stuff the ballot box enough to elect Hanoi Kerry and they haven't stopped crying about it yet!

MyOpine
I think thats the reason AKAGI is in America he probly got rounded up by the Japs or Chineese and they deported him. I now undersatnd why he HATES AMERICA we either bombed him or he is mad at the US for him having to work in the SWET SHOPS in China at 25 cents an hour.

Hell he could even be an ILLEGAL for all we know.


AKAGI
So I guess when the USS COLE got bombed and Clinton was in Charge and Bush just was taking command you LIBS where screaming that it was Bushs fault. Janet RENO just didnt kill a bunch of people in WACO she also kidnapped a cuban child from its father in MIAMI. But LIBS care so much about the Children. Yea enough to kidnap them in MIAMI and Burn them to death in WACO.

Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
You still insist on making up whatever stuff you find convenient.
That is why I want you to document your fiction!

Here is the truth about Ruby Ridge!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/r andy_weaver/1.html

& Wako!
http://www.gopusa.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-28650.html

You have PROVEN YOURSELF A LIAR!

The purpose of posting links is to give source.
All of your source is original fiction!
YOU ARE A LIAR!
You are no better that Wobbie!

chuck
You better be careful.
Akagi is going to be threatening to kick you in the face!

I don't know what key on his computer game does that yet.

AKAGI
BOy you just wont learn will you. We here in AMERICA are not as stupid as you are. So please return to your home of origin and leave America to the Americans. OOOPPPSSSS you are probably wanted in that country so you ran to America instead huh. I would bet that you are a Fugitive or a Stooge which one is it.

MyOpine, Dont give him that much credit yet of being no better than WOBBIE for Akagi hasnt been on here long enough to get his due. He sounds like he is STILL STUCK ON STUPID. WOBBIE is just plain stupid not stuck on it.


IF MCCAIN WINS

.....He will win with Independents and Liberal Democrats ...he will not win with my vote ... sound off and let the sell outs know how you feel ...

... info@rnc.org ...
... info@gop.com ...

.....COLOSSUS

MyOpine
You brought up a point I've brought up myself times past. Why do libs hate Bush? He put through all of their spending bills. He initiated tha NAU. He hasn't exposed a one of them in fighting ANWAR. He left all the Clinton goons in key positions. He allowed the challenge of the 2nd amendment. Why would libs hate Bush when he is WITH THEM most of the time?

Janet Reno was AG in 1992?
MyOpine writes:
"You still insist on making up whatever stuff you find convenient.
That is why I want you to document your fiction!

Here is the truth about Ruby Ridge!
http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/r andy_weaver/1.html"

Your documentation lacks a bit of believability since it states on the first page that the Ruby Ridge incident occured in 1992 and then refers to AG Janet Reno. Janet Reno was Clinton's AG, not Bush I's.

MyOpine
He is welcomed to meet me somewhere and try. I spent 8 years in Korea on or around the DMZ and I was taught by the ROKS how to take care of myself in COMBAT so bring it on AKAGI., TAE KWAN DO is my specialty, even have a few stars to throw his way

HE probably is so old he could kick himself in his own ARSE much less a face.

baseballdoc
Just sent my e-mails off. My husband and I used to be heavy financial backers of the GOP. A few months back they asked for the usual support, and we wrote a letter explaining why they could no longer count on our generosity. In both e-mails I reminded them of the support they once had and lost. Also, giving the nod and backing to McCain only further alienates us. They have not only lost our financial support, but are dangerously close to losing our voting support. Like early2rise said, we drew our line in the sand with Mexicain.

gunny g,...oncemarine..
Hey gunny -g,are you the guy that....gave me hints about my excellent grammer before? ha ha ha
he**, everybody knows ELVIS was no Dr. in language! sooo just relax ol buddy !! but thanks for thinking of me! but you dont respond to the
"meat" of my thoughts!

oncemarine- good "hearing from you! GUESS WHAT!
THE GODS JUST GAVE ROMNEY THE NOMINATION! SERIOUSLY..TURN ON YOUR TV..THE NEW STIMULATING FINANCIAL KICK-BACK PROGRAM WILL GIVE MONEY TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS..BUT NOT TO PEOPLE WHO EARN OVER $70,000! IT IS ON TV NOW...BIG TIME AND THE
DEBATE IS IN CALIFORNIA TONIGHT..BYE BYE JUAN! JUAN SAID IN FLA. that the program is good ! more kissing the butts of illegal immigrants! this ball game is over! and it's not going to be
juan! screw the paragraphs! elvis

mouse
Yep! I missed that flaw.
Akagi is a bipartisan anti-American.
I have seen him attack both left & right and badmouth America.
If you see an opening for a straight Left jab, reach across the aisle.

RR
Myopine? Who was President in August of 1992? It was Bush was it not? And if it was then how can RR be Clinton's fault--care to answer this for me.

Oh and yes, I do consider shooting an unarmed woman a crime--while Lon Horiuchi ended up not convicted the US government did pay Weaver $100,000 and his daughters $1 million each, but I guess to you the US can do no wrong, no?

And Chuck, why don't you stick with the context. Idiot--aka Myopine--claimed I owed him sources to known facts--say like the 3rd Communique Reagan signed with China in 1982--a known fact. I don't spoon feed. I am sure he is smart enough to look up the words Third Communique..no? My comment was the only thing I owed him was a kick in the face..meaning I owe him (or you for that matter) nothing.

And he is the one that claimed his friend was killed in a Japanese camp, not me--seems if anyone is old around here it is he.

You claim you know tai quan dao, eh. Not impressed. Not your fight in any event.

Also why tell me why conservatives are such crybabies? If the moderates in the GOP held your views--my guy or I go home--Reagan never would have been elected in 1980 or Bush in 2000.


Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
YOU STILL REFUSE TO POST A LINK!

You spew crap all over the thread and refuse to authenticate a single word.

Until you start furnishing links to confirm your sources I will consider every word you type a LIE!

You have yet to post a single link to authenticate your fiction!

Facts
So if I say the the US Civil War broke out in 1861, I must post a link to that effect...sorry. I don't do research for you especially in regards to known facts. If you are too stupid to confirm them on your own, not my problem.





Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
YOU have the burden of proof for YOUR statements.
YOU HAVE NOT MET THAT BURDEN.
And YOU if anyone around here has proven yourself too stupid to research & post links.

YOU ARE A JOKE!
Just like Wobbie!

Akagi, don't pick your nose.
Throw that away, don't eat it.

the elephant in the room
We, as caring and concerned people, are finally dealing with our bigotry in race and even gender, but the one we have yet to work or even admit to or talk about is staring us right in the face!
This whole RNC backing of a candidate that we didn't want 7 years ago and who is now that much older and quite a lot more senile, and has been an embarrassment to the concervative right ever since then, is only happening so that we as republicans don't have to pull the lever for a man whose religion scares us more that Hillary or O'Bama!!
We are being told to let this election go! It has already been decided that the choice is to have a left over candidate so that the democrats will vote republican!
I'm sorry, but is it our fault that the DNC has taken their party so far left that they have deserted most of their constituency? Why didn't they nominate a candidate that would go middle of the road? Why do we have to please them all the time with us giving all the moral ground?

Myopine
Really? Seems you are the one that didn't know of the Third Communique or Powell's comments to Phoenix TV or Lee Teng Hui being forced to sleep in his airplane in Hawai'i because the US wouldn't give him a landing visa or Bush scolding Chen Shui Bian in front of Wen Jiabao at the White House over the 2004 referendum on China's missiles in Fujian and this is just a short list...I can go on and on.

Akagi
"Also why tell me why conservatives are such crybabies? If the moderates in the GOP held your views--my guy or I go home-..."
---------------
Hardly! I would have voted for Hunter or Thompson, or Tancredo or Romney or Paul or Guiliani or Brownback. And believe me...Guiliani, Paul & Brownback would all be an enormous compromise on my part.

Mexicain & the Huckupchuck....no way. The GOP spit out 8 candidates. 8! I would have gone for 6 out of the 8. That's a far cry from being a 'cry baby.' For anyone willing to back someone who is not my 1st choice, or 2nd choice or 3rd choice or 4th choice, says a lot about 'my' reasonableness. You're the one having the tantrum because we refuse to fall in love with 'your' candidate.

The snake oil twins are a complete no-go. When Tancredo left, I settled on Hunter. When Hunter left I settled on Thompson. When Thompson left I settled on Romney. And that's as far as it goes.

If Mitt ain't it...I'm out!

Because
Carol:

Because primary voters in the Democratic Party are on the far left of the party--only the most hard core voters are going to go vote on a cold night in Iowa or New Hampshire. So who votes, the unions, the teachers, the far-left activists. Which means a moderate candidate can't win (see Joe Lieberman as an example) and few even bother to run now. So you get left (Hillary) and far far left (Obama and Edwards).

Despite the gashing of teeth here, the GOP will nominate moderates (Ford 1976, Bush 1988, Bush 1992, McCain? 2008). Clinton was actually fairly moderate (Bill) as was Jimmy (when he ran at least). But since 1968, the DP has nominated mostly those on the far left--exceptions were in 1976, 1980, 1992 and 1996. Those were also the only times they won (not counting 1980). Carter as governor was a moderate, even conservative, if not he would have never been elected in 1970--he became on the far left as ex-president. Carter tried to be a hawk with the Soviets, he just was no good at it.

As long as moderates stay away from the polls in the DP, the DP will keep nominating from the left.

Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
What I do or do not know has nothing to do with you being a compulsive LIAR!

As I said twice before;
YOU have the burden to prove YOUR statements.
No one else is obligated to post links for you.

When you frequently make questionable statements and ALWAYS refuse to post a link to your source then it casts doubt on your credibility.

I have seen you make several long posts filled with questionable material and steadfastly refuse to authenticate a single one of your facts.
That leads me to believe your posts are FICTION!

Now go back to CodePink where you belong and get your diaper changed!

Myopine
What it may lead you to believe is no concern of mine..you know...dui niu tan qin. Oxen don't understand it no more than you.

Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
Your quaint N. Korean sayings do not lend truth to your vast volume of spew.
You have yet to post a single link to verify anything you spew.

Therefore it is logical to assume you CANNOT verify anything that you post.

Just post links like other people do when they are requested.
You have NEVER posted a single link!
POST LINKS!
Like this;
http://web.archive.org/web/20030604141109re_/bernie.house.g ov/pc/members.asp

Idiot
Uh...dui niu tan qin is Chinese, not Korean.


Akagi
Why not just write in English. This 'is' America, after all. We communicate in English here.

Akagi the compulsive LIAR!
Threats & name calling proves you have no substance.

The reason you can't verify ANYTHING contained in your posts is that you just make things up.
Wobbie does that too.
He is very amusing sometimes and so are you.
Wobbie makes up preposterous stories to entertain us.

Are you going to make up preposterous stories or just keep alleging preposterous things in your posts?

Chinese? Korean? that gibberish could be Piglatin for all care.
Now you claim to be ChiCom?
I still think you are N. Korean.
What little I know of the Chinese language tells me it would be impossible to correctly intone with this character set.

You are going to be a lot of fun.
Just like Wobbie!

Higene
I don't see anything to cause Progressives much cheer in this election either.

In the last election we had a choice between Bush and this;
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/john-kerry-gained-fame-t hanks-to-phony-soldiers

It is not even that good this time!

And that "Progressives" thing could backfire if people were to learn that Progressive is a euphemism for;
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/66ead9217 cb955bc

2008
2000 came, and I voted for GWB enthusiastically;
2004 came, and I was discouraged and suspicious of Bush, but I voted for him as the lesser of two evils I was presented with by the major political parties;
2008 is here, but I'll be damned if I play the game of the power brokers again! No McCain, No Obama, No Clinton2, by God, I'll vote third party (it won't be the first time in my life).

McCain Is No Threat To Liberals
McCain is a RINO therefore he cannot be a threat to liberals. He has done everything he could to
become a Democrat except change party's. I will never vote for him nor a democrat. I never have voted third party but I will . First time for everything .

mc rhino tax policy
tax cuts increase revenue,the opposite of increasing the national debt.

Links
Okay, myidiot...here.

Seems TH doesn't allow tags and I have no interest in spending time finding out what arcane method of posting links TH uses--it doesn't even post things like Chinese characters.

TH claims the websites will be detected as plain text. I don't have any confidence in this. So if they are plain text, I am sure you have enough knowledge to copy and paste the urls into IE, Firefox, etc. Since you have never been very clear on what "claims" of mine are "outlandish" that you require sources on, I selected a number of them for your inspection. See next post




Links (or at least URLs) for Myidiot
Powell’s comments

http://www.chingcheong.com/article_04-1027.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1257322/posts?page=2 8

http://taiwansecurity.org/Reu/2004/Reuters-261004.htm

Third Communiqué

http://usinfo.state.gov/eap/Archive_Index/joint_communique_ 1982.html

Cairo Declaration

http://www.ndl.go.jp/constitution/e/shiryo/01/002_46shoshi. html

1954 ROC-US Mutual Defense Treaty

http://usinfo.org/sino/dtreaty_e.htm

Goldwater v. Carter

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE &court=US&vol=444&page=996

Taiwan Relations Act

http://www.ait.org.tw/en/about_ait/tra/


January 1950 speech in which Dean Acheson excluded both the ROC (Taiwan) and the ROK from the US defensive perimeter giving Mao and Kim a greenlight to attack the ROC and ROK.

http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?do cumentprint=1612

Very short history of US-ROC relations including Truman’s decision not to prevent Taiwan from being forcefully taken my Mao.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2004/10/10/20 03206371

Truman cutting off of aid to Chiang after the failure of the Marshall mission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Mission


Bush’s comments opposing Taiwan’s right to hold a referendum at the White House in front of Wen Jiabao.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/10/content_2888 32.htm


Rice’s comments

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-12/22/content_63412 52.htm

Lee Teng Hui being forced to sleep in his airplane in Hawi’i in 1994.

http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/1994/s941130-taiwan.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis


Failure of US to defend RVN after the 1973 Peace Accords as agreed to by the US and the RVN.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/april2000/0400saigon.asp

Anything else you require?




Better than I expected
Some worked..some didn't...better than I expected.


China
Myopine. Chinese tones using this keyboard 1,2,3,4,0. See how easy that is?

So for example since the only difference between buy and sell is the tone you can write it as mai(3) or mai(4). So the phrase dui niu tan qin could be written as dui(4) niu (2) tan (2) qin (2)

But usually when Chinese is Romanized outside of textbooks for teaching Chinese the tones are not indicated. In the cases when it is the tone marks in published works are . for zero, _ for first tone, / for second, v for third and \ for fourth as printed as a subscript above the Romanization such as mai or mài. And if TH like better websites would correctly display Chinese and you could actually tell the difference between jianti and fanti, you'd know I wasn't a "chicom (what a stupid hackneyed term). Care to re-read my comments on Taiwan? Does that sound like a "chicom" to you? But since you don't know anything, how would you even know this?

Also from a formal point of view the PRC isn't communist although the party is in Chinese known as Zhong Guo Gong Chan Dang which is translated as the Chinese Communist Party, but I will not get into more details why the PRC can't be accurately described as communist. Also, Mandarin is spoken in Taiwan as the official language (known as guoyu--the national language), Singapore (an offical language with English and Malay and Tamil), Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, Canada, the US among others. Being a non-Korean speaker, I'd have no idea how to write that phrase--Korean and Chinese aren't even in the same language family.



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