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Wednesday, January 16, 2008
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
More on Obama and Babies Born Alive
by Terry Jeffrey
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Last week, I wrote that Barack Obama, as an Illinois state senator, opposed a bill to define as a "person" a fully born baby who survived an abortion. Obama opposed this bill, I wrote, even after an amendment was offered to it that mirrored language included in a virtually identical federal bill that won a 98 to zero vote in the U.S. Senate after Sen. Barbara Boxer said the language in question protected Roe v. Wade.

Obama, I reported, killed the Illinois bill by holding it in a committee he chaired, never calling a vote so it could be sent to the full Senate. This, I have since been informed, was incorrect.

Although the Illinois General Assembly's online bill tracking system indicates the bill was "held" in Obama's Health and Human Services Committee in 2003, former Sen. Rick Winkel, who sponsored it, and Sen. Dale Righter, then the committee's ranking Republican, both tell me that written records kept by Illinois Senate Republicans indicate Obama did bring the bill up for a vote and then voted against it. The bill, as amended, lost that vote four to six. In 2001, Republican Sen. Rick Santorum offered the federal version of the Born Alive Infants bill as an amendment. Boxer gave a floor speech explaining why it did not threaten Roe and why Democrats would vote for it.

"(H)is amendment certainly does not attack Roe in any way," said Boxer. "His amendment makes it very clear that nothing in this amendment gives any rights that are not yet afforded to a fetus. Therefore, I, as being a pro-choice senator on this side, representing my colleagues here, have no problem whatsoever with this amendment."

When Obama was in the Illinois Senate, the Born Alive Infants bill came up three successive years.

In 2001, three bills were proposed to help babies who survived induced labor abortions. One, like the federal Born Alive Infants bill, simply said a living "homo sapiens" wholly emerged from his mother should be treated as a "'person,' 'human being,' 'child' and 'individual.'"

On all three bills, Obama voted "present," effectively the same as a "no." Defining "a pre-viable fetus" that survived an abortion as a "person" or "child," he argued, "would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

In 2002, Obama voted "no" on the bill.

When Democrats took control of the Illinois Senate in 2003, Obama became chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee. The Born Alive Infants bill and an amendment to add exactly the language Boxer said protected Roe in the federal bill (which President Bush had signed into law in 2002) was referred to this committee.

According to the records made by committee Republicans, the amendment to include in the Illinois bill the language Boxer said protected Roe was approved by a 10 to zero vote of the committee. (This vote, Republicans say, was a common procedural courtesy extended to the sponsoring senator.) The bill as amended was then put to a committee vote. It lost four to six, with Obama voting "no."

"I just read a copy of the Illinois Senate Republican Staff analysis on SB 1082 (93rd General Assembly), and, contrary to the bill status report on the Illinois General Assembly Website, it shows the bill -- as amended -- was in fact called for a vote in committee on a motion to recommend the bill for passage to the whole Senate," former Sen. Winkel, now an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois College of Law, wrote me in an email. "That motion failed 4-6-0 along party lines, and the chairman, then state Sen. Barack Obama, voted no. The result is that the bill died in the committee."

Righter backed up Winkel's explanation of the Republican records. "If I want to see a vote history in committee on a certain bill, I will go to our records first," Righter told me. "Now, another source of information is the online service that you checked, as well. The online service in this case is rather vague. It just says that the bill never made it out of committee. But I have full faith and confidence in what our files show, absolutely."

In his 2004 U.S. Senate campaign, Obama was challenged on his opposition to the Born Alive Infants bill during a debate with Alan Keyes. "At the federal, level there was a similar bill that passed because it had an amendment saying this does not encroach on Roe v. Wade," Obama said. "I would have voted for that bill."

This statement seems to contradict the record made by committee Republicans, attested to by Winkel and Righter, which says he directly voted against the bill that included the amendment with the Roe-protecting language from the federal bill. "The amendment made my bill the same as the federal legislation," Winkel told me.

Obama's campaign press office did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

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asurferiamnot writes "- And we acknowledge God as the creator of life (defined here as a baby still alive at least three days after delivery - but not before) and support all those in our congregation that choose to wait a few more days until they consider "it" a person.

Oh, and perhaps they can find some scriptures to back up that belief."
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What Church is this? If true it is an absolute outrage. Please let me know so I can start the process of alerting those who hold life precious of what this Church is doing allegedly in the name of God.

Please contact me at forum_mail_only@yahoo.com


wwsword
Exodus 21: 22-23 You have it wrong. If you exegete the words from their original language you would find the original intent. It clearly states that if men are fighting and hit a pregnant woman by mistake and it causes her to give birth prematurely, the husband can demand payment. Payment is acceptable so long as no harm is done.

Then it goes on to say if 'mischeif occur, (or death) than an eye for an eye, a life for a life is the penalty for causing the death of that baby. So even in the old testiment, killing the 'unborn' is worthy of the death penalty. God clearly identifies the unborn baby as a life. If a premature birth occur and the baby has no harm, a monetary payment will suffice. If the premature birth result in a miscarriage, the life for a life penalty is enacted....since you insisted on going in the old testiment.

The voice that abortion did not silence

Gianna Jessen lived after a botched abortion; she is one of many.

She remained in a late term saline abortion solution for approximately 18 hours and was delivered alive in a CA abortion clinic; she only weighed two pounds. A nurse called an ambulance, and Gianna was taken to a hospital to receive the necessary medical treatment.

Gianna suffers from cerebral palsy, but she sings, runs marathons, and speaks out against abortion.

Listen to Gianna sing and read her story:
http://www.giannajessen.com/



jim...
"You would wish a terrible life for several already existing people, and a miserable life for the about to be born."

You're an idiot! Ever hear of adoption? Millions of people are waiting for babies to adopt ... however, we kill ours, so they go overseas! brilliant.

I hope you keep your pants zipped!

baseballdoc said ...
".....Liberals will go to any lengths to protect abortion ...it is their sacrement similiar to sacrificing a lamb ..."

Nah, bbd, Osama Obama would rather save the lamb than the child. He said as much in response to a recent question called out to him from some PETA nut in the crowd: "Hey, what's your stand on the ethical treatment of animals." To which Osama Obama stated (paraphrasing here) "...animals need to be protected, I would be their president as well." W-H-A-A-T? Is this guy for real? Naw, he's just another lying, liberal, leftwing lugnut who will say ANYTHING to get elected.

Kill the babies (future voters and protectors of the country) and long live the animals (no eating, hunting, or captivity!)

Sadly, he sounds about lunatic enough to beat ol' Hellory for the nomination.

One more thing ... as to abortion itself ... those of you who ascribe to it ought to remember you were allowed to live - obviously to condemn others not so lucky. I hope you are real proud of yourselves ... punishing the innocent for YOUR sins!!!

Don't waste your time higene responding to my post, I usually put in my two cents and never return. I hate wasting my time trying to hold an intelligent discussion with brain dead people like you.

One example
This woman was adopted as a baby, trained to be a concert pianist, made her debut in NY at age 13, traveled with an orchestra, became a strong Christian, has given her testimony in Malawi, Haiti, Mexico, Costa Rica, and the US, is the mother of five, including a sailor, marine, Baroque violinist, manager, and network administrator, and is now a church organist and pianist. Would you like to write to my wife to tell her that she is unwanted and would have been better off chopped to pieces in her mother's womb and tossed in the trash?

Other side of the road
Those who would approve of watching newborns suffer and die would also have us pass by on the other side of the road when hundreds of thousands are being shot, tortured, electro-shocked through body orifices, gassed, and fed into wood chippers. At least they are consistent in their selfish disdain and callous disregard for others.

LIFE is precious.
Obama is a hypocrite to say he cares for the poor and innocent, when he supports the abortion laws that are so cruel.
But, why are some pro-lifers so pro war against the innocent?
If the conservatives loose the election, it will be because of their callousness in this never ending
battle. Iraq has one of highest populations of Christian believers in the middle east.
Maybe those faithful believers are praying for Gods
intercession to stop an immoral and unjust police action.

Obama has their blood on his hands
I wouldnt want to be anywhere near Obama when he has to answer to God for his willingness to kill these innocent babies. Obama is an evil individual and extremely dangerous!!

Rich D
Congratulations, we are expecting our 15th any time now, it's our 9th boy. Our eldest is 22 and about to graduate Great Lakes with the intention of becoming a Navy medic. You are about to enter the ranks of official ancestors and enjoy every minute of it.
and I echo 141say to marine.
I'm a battle scarred prolifer; and I can't blame the women, they are lied to and pressured into making this decision and pay a heavy price even if they fought against the abortion but succumbed to parental or boyfriend pressures. They are exploited by all who profit from abortion, be it boyfriend (as in why buy the cow when the milk comes free no responsibilities), parents good name/not wanting to help raise a fatherless child, selfishness, abortion profiteers (doctors, politicians, clinics, Planned Parenthood.)
As for clinics in blackneighborhoods..research Margaret Sanger, Hitlers mentor regarding
the elimination of the unwanted.
God knows this, says so in Proverbs 24:11,12 If thou forbear to rescue them that are drawn unto death and those that are ready to be slain; If though sayests, Behold, we knew it not, doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul doth not he knoweth it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works. I read that to say the blood is on everyones hands who support abortion in any way.

RichD and marine:

RichD: Congratulations!

marine: Thank you for your service.

to jim get lost
Seems your crystal ball is cloudy. There are many stories out there and those which defy credulity are more likely to happen to women who love their babies enough to protect them from abortion than your description. The first woman I'm thinking of was pregnant at 44 with a husband who left her after many years of marriage for the lifestyle you expect is your due. God loves every one of those babies and life can be good, even quite rewarding without the financial, physical, and social entitlement you foolish socialists demand for all except the preborn. They aren't so much a threat to your wellbeing as your cynicism. Ask for faith in our Creator who made us because of His love for us, hope in His promises. Love God back.

wwssword wrote:

"The Bible makes the opposite claim. Frankly, I get pretty tired of having to correct Christians on the misuse of their holy book."
***

wwssword:

Jesus said: "He that is of God heareth God's words." (John 8:46-47 KJV)

The Bible is God's Word. I'll listen to His Word, not your out-of-context version.

My God-given conscious works, too, and I don't need any correcting from you; it tells me that inside the mother's womb is a separate living human being, and it is wrong to take the life of that "baby."

And it also tells me that a presidential candidate who votes to let a living aborted baby suffer and die should not become the leader of our country.

***
Presidential material: Duncan Hunter:

Duncan Hunter said: "I support people with good judgment, proven values, a belief in God, and a heart for the least of us, including the unborn."
http://www.gohunter08.com

At least the animals can breathe easy
A Drudge link to Breitbart had a BHO quote on animal issues, to wit:

"I think how we treat our animals reflects how we treat each other," he said. "And it's very important that we have a president who is mindful of the cruelty that is perpetrated on animals."

He might have added that there would be no quarter given nascent and new baby humans though.

Jim
So, you are for baby killing?

Get lost, one-note Terry

I am sick and tired of this one-note Terry. Get off of it, you will never get pregnant, and if anyone else is, it is none of your business, unless you caused it.

Again I didn't study the posts, but I bet the biggest complainers are male, and I bet not one of you put the blame, and asked for punishment for the one to blame for the pregnancy.

Remember, there is absolutely nothing that a women can do to make herself pregnant, there must be an idiot helping. So she should shoot him.

You would wish a terrible life for several already existing people, and a miserable life for the about to be born.

Remember, if the baby was really wanted, they would not be looking for an abortion, so for this baby to be born, would cause many problems for the baby, and several other people who are not in the physical, financial, or social position to raise a healthy, happy child.

And that is more important than any of you wanting to feel great by forcing someone to live by your dictates.

And again I ask, "Are you one of those who watch TV news stories of starving babies and cheer, and say, At least she didn't get an abortion!"

About Obama's religion
Yes, I know this is now off-topic, but does have some degree of relevance.

The statement that Obama "is a committed Christian" I found quite laughable. Here is an assorted list of equally "committed" Christians:
(1) A.K. Anthony, current Indian Defence Minister (Wikipedia lists him in "Indian Atheists" category)
(2) K.P. Candeth, erstwhile Indian Army General (he was GOC Western Command in 1971) and member of BJP (political-party wing of fanatic-Hindu VHP)
(3) Pierre Elliot Trudeau, erstwhile Canadian PM (known to have DELIBERATELY ordered a "666" licence-plate)
(4) Madeleine Albright, erstwhile US SecState
(5) Paul Rose, FLQ leader responsible for causing 1970 October Crisis

LILLY

.....Please explain to me the "moral" part in an abortion .....COLOSSUS

Where are they?
I'm still waiting for one of the "millions" of deaf, dumb and blind Obama supporters to jump on this chain and defend their newfound savior. Other than wwsword scribbling some random and pointless delusions, the Obama supporters are avoiding this column like the plague.

Rich D.
I'm happy for you. Our oldest child spent her first month of life in a NICU, it was a life changing experience. It is completely beyond my understanding that someone can be so completely callous to the innate miracle of life as this man is.


Conscience seared with a hot iron.
It doesn't get much more so than with B. Hussein Obama.

You say Usama,
I say Osama.
You say Barack,
I say Obama.
Usama, Osama,
Barack Obama,
Let's call the whole thing off.

At least he's really big on wearing a U.S. flag pin on his lapel and saying the pledge of allegiance, not.

At least his church, Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago,Illinois, is the very model of diversity and inclusiveness, not.

He's a big Lee Greenwood fan too, not.

Can Obama beat Hillary?
Interesting video

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/barack-obama

marine
Thanks - I really didn't expect that, and thanks for your service. One of my sons is a marine, another a sailor.

Rich D.
Congratulations to you and yours.



Pro-lifers...
...should have as many children as possible and teach those children correct principles. Within a generation, we could stem the tide of socialism and overturn many of the socialists' evil laws.

Our motto could be something along the lines of:
"Sick of Commies? Fill the world with expectant mommies!" or "Do something about Socialism before it's too late: Find a Conservative cutie and procreate!"

Is it just me ?

It appears the Democrats prefer abortion clinics be placed in Black neighborhoods. And Democrats ensure that Black women are offered as many "Free" abortions as they wish.

If I remember correctly, Birth rates for Blacks are dropping year after year. And the Latino population is soon to become the #1 minority in the US.

Hmmm...

I wonder what the Democrats are up to?

Obama The Savage
Only a savage animal could kill a baby after it is born and call it good. That goes for those who kill their children before they are born. But its doubley heinous after birth.

To win the war on terror all we have to do is convince these savages that the islamofascist are pro-lifers. They would all turn into militarists.

This is absolutely sick!
There is room for reasonable disagreement over political issues, but this is Auschwitz stuff. This is infanticide. I don't know whether to weep or vommit that someone with this infanticideal sociopathic belief could ever get elected to the US Senate.

Anyone who supports this is a bad person.

Congratulate us
Our daughter is pregnant and we're expecting out first grandfetus.

Hmmm, let's see
Obama is a Democrat...which equates to his being a mere nodding familiarity with the truth. And he's a far left liberal which equates with a hatred of all children other than his own. Why does either his denial of the vote or the vote itself shock anybody?

One thing that has always puzzled me about liberals is their insistence that they love all children. But then foist things like whole language reading and the new "math" on them. Or make grabs for their parents wallets with the intent of taking the money that pays for the food they eat and the table they eat it off of.

Given the "concern" for children why would anybody think that a Democrat, any Democrat if they thought they could get away with it wouldn't vote that children could be killed after birth?

more scripture
"41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!" Luke 1

Aren't we glad for God's sovereignty, and Planned Parenthood and the ACLU did not get a hold of one teenage girl with an "illegitimate" child and one mother past child bearing age with a "high risk" pregnancy? None other than Jesus and John the Baptist in the womb, communicating to one another.

Blobs of tissue with the salvation of the world one their minds!!!

Also from Genesis....
Another scripture passage NOT oft referenced on this subject is Gen 25:21b-22a

"...and the Lord granted his (Isaac's) plea, and Rebekah his wife conceived

But the CHILDREN struggled together within her..."

Wwsword Is Incorrect Re The Bible
Wwsword's post about Scripture in Jeremiah and Exodus is totally wrong. Exodus 21:23 specifically states, that if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life....etc. Exodus does NOT say children are commodities or fetuses are not human as Wwsword claims.

By the way, the Hebrew word for a newborn child and an unborn child is the same.

In Luke 1:39-45, he refers to the child in Elizabeth's womb (who is John the Baptist) as a "baby" or "child". Luke by the way was a physician. He understood fully that the medical community of his day regarded what abortionists call a fetus, to be human life. The medical community TODAY claims the unborn to be human life based on medical science!!

Wwsword needs a lot of prayer, and I will pray for him. When or if he reads what Jesus had to say about children, he might realize just how much trouble he is in.

Muslims
want to breed us out.
What do you people expect.

wwsword ... innocence
Of course a little baby in the womb is innocent because it cannot do or think anything evil yet. But this unwise "ww sword" like to suggest it cannot be innocent because it cannot be guilty. Since The baby in the womb is so recently made by the hand of God then it is as like God as one can get. Do you look at little babies and think "guilty"? I often see people automatically smile at babies. This is because their lovely little faces reflect the love of God. As you may know, Dr. Nathanson, the pioneer for abortion rights soon changed his mind after he noted Mothers change from being abortion minded when they see their little ones on sonograms even though they don't see them clearly. It's the love of God present in the hearts of truth seekers which calls to them. We are indeed spiritual beings with bodies within for the timebeing, at least, if not aborted.
Why wouldn't God not know each of as He did Jeremiah? God is allknowing, allpowerful and allloving. He does,indeed, know you and love you.

Obama Supports Murder-Again!
Jeffrey's column is a lot of words with a simple message. Obama supports and defends the murder of human beings when it suits his political and financial purposes.

By supporting abortion, Obama has rejected God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost entirely.

You will also find Obama supporting all the governmnet programs that have sent millions of American jobs to foreign countries. He supports illegal aliens who have taken away hunreds of thousands to millions of jobs from African Americans.



lilly, lilly, lilly...
"On townhall this morning there is another article arguing that free-market principles allow the selling of body organs for the highest price. No money, no kidney. Don't be bothering trying to convince the rest of us that your party is the party of morality: you just sound silly."

There isn't a kooky commie on Earth capable of uttering a single complete sentence without it being a total fabrication.

No one ever said REPLACE the existing system of organ procurement with one where organs can be sold. No one said that charities ought to be prohibited from offering free or low cost organs for donation, either.

But, of course, for kooky commies like lilly who themselves would NEVER consider donating anything, they automatically assume that no one else would be charitable either. Of course, a more accurate statement would be that fellow kooky commies are not charitable, while us "greedy" conservatives are very charitable:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/11/generosity_ inde.html

Obsess
lilly writes "Nutty Republicans who obsess about abortion wouldn't be voting for a Democratic candidate anyway."

May we always obess about promoting life, may we always obsess about compassion, may we always obsess about protecting the weakest and those who have no voice.

Independence
Nutty Republicans who obsess about abortion wouldn't be voting for a Democratic candidate anyway. Wasn't this article a waste of time? I guess it was aimed at Independents. Who, actually, would go right ahead and vote for Obama, or any Democrat, if they value independence of thought. Pro-choice is pro-choice.

On townhall this morning there is another article arguing that free-market principles allow the selling of body organs for the highest price. No money, no kidney. Don't be bothering trying to convince the rest of us that your party is the party of morality: you just sound silly.

Can Fetuses be Guilty of Anything?
If they can't be guilty of anything, then how can they be innocent?

The term "innocent life" when referring to fetuses is a propaganda term; it's an irrational descriptor designed to illicit feelings of moral outrage and thereby shut down reason.

To clear misconceptions, Jeremiah 1:5 refers to a reported conversation between Yahweh and the prophet Jeremiah in which the subject of the womb refers to Jeremiah's mother's womb. It's not a general proposition. Jeremiah may have really believed that Yahweh claimed that he knew Jeremiah before he formed him in his mother's womb, but it does not follow that Yahweh knew everybody before he formed them in the womb.

Furthermore, the Old Testament (Exodus 21:22-23)states that even if a man strikes a woman to cause a miscarriage, but the woman is not injured, then the perpetrator is only liable for restitution to the father, as the father has lost on an investment (children are commodities, according to the Bible). The fetus is not a person, therefore no criminal charges are pursued. On the other hand, if the woman is injured, then it becomes a criminal matter because the woman is a person.

People who use the Bible to justify their position that the fetus is a person and that it voluntary abortion is criminal are misusing the the alleged word of Yahweh. The Bible makes the opposite claim. Frankly, I get pretty tired of having to correct Christians on the misuse of their holy book.

Obama's votes
Don't blame Obama for his votes in the Illinois Senate. Jim DeLeo & Emil Jones told him how to vote. Obama just carried water for the corrupt Democrat Party the is running Illinois into the ground.

Don't let what has happened in Illinois happen to America! Illinois is a one-party state. If we elect a Democrat President to work with a Democrat Congress, you had better start stretching those hamstrings. You'll be bending over and grabbing your ankles on a regular basis, come January 21, 2009.

Well,
if "it" isn't a baby, then there is no pregnancy, hence, no need for an abortion, correct?

Interesting, and sad, how the word "wanted" is the deciding factor in another's humanity, rather than the obvious physical and assumed intangible characteristics.

ABORTION IS A LIBERAL SACREMENT

.....Liberals will go to any lengths to protect abortion ...it is their sacrement similiar to sacrificing a lamb ...

.....This is why they fought so hard for embrionic stem cell research ...if they could get the government to sanction the destruction of embrios for scientific research then they could protect their sacred rite of abortion .....COLOSSUS

God Help us all........
(Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you")

Maybe the "church" Barry attends in Chicago uses a Bible that doesn't have the above passage in it.

This guy is the biggest phoney in the race...and to be the biggest phoney on THIS race is really something.


The lines are being blurred.
If one were to ask a group of 10 people whether they believed that 50 years from now, it would be legal to "abort" a 5 week old BORN baby, at least 9 out of 10 would say that is absurd.

However, there is growing evidence to suggest that we are heading in exactly that direction.

Peter Singer is a tenured professor of philosophy at Princeton University. He is a man with a number of widely read books in various philosophical areas. He is also a man who has been called "the most influential philosopher of our time" by the New Yorker Magazine.

He is also a man who advocates his philosophy that infants do not have the right not to be murdered. In his words, there is "nothing morally wrong" with bashing a 2 week old baby in the head with a hammer and killing it.

This is a man teaching our children in one of the most prestigious universities on Earth, and he's openly advocating abolishing laws prohibiting infantcide.

Now we have a presidential candidate who ALSO believes that there's nothing wrong with infantcide.

50 years ago, 9 out of 10 people would have said it was absurd to think that smoking in bars would be outlawed, that teachers would be fired from their jobs at public schools for wearing a 1" cross around their neck, that clothing manufactures would market t-shirts with the words "with a pair of these, who needs brains?" printed accross the breast to 11-year-old girls, and that the Democrats would be selecting their presidential candidates solely on the basis of gender and race (wait, scratch that one...).

Welcome to 2008.

Terence nailed it
Sadly many in this country side with his views on this.

Maybe we can get the pastor at his church to add this tidbit to their web site, which has seen so much attention lately:

- And we acknowledge God as the creator of life (defined here as a baby still alive at least three days after delivery - but not before) and support all those in our congregation that choose to wait a few more days until they consider "it" a person.

Oh, and perhaps they can find some scriptures to back up that belief.

I am equally baffelled by those claiming to be Catholics or Jews and hold the same view. Better to repent or turn from the hypocrisy.

Obama and religion
See Newsweek's "fact check":
http://www.newsweek.com/id/91424/page/1

Let's stop forwarding spam in our posts.

"Change
I wonder how Obama squares his self-professed faith with his policy on how unborn humans should be treated? At what point will he actually be forced to answer specific policy questions on life, taxes, etc? I really have not listened to his speeches to any great degree, but how does he fill up an hour discussing "change" with various platitudes and cliches?

He doesn't have
the balls to vote on life issues. If a baby isn't a person, then a born person who survives a procedure that is killing a non person can't possibly be a person blah blah blah.
They ALL talk in circles because they know they're the ones who are really dead. Dead morals. Dead consciences. Dead wrong.

It's a Baby
Obama and his liberal agenda are in opposition to the definition of a life (no kidding). Just because a child has not reached its 6 month maturity level in the womb does not give anyone the right to kill the innocent.

I bet Obama is for killing the innocent in the womb, but not giving the death penalty to a cold blooded murderer.

Liberals, "Kill the Innocent and let the Guilty go Free". This is upside down thinking. And they want to elected backward thinking people to be our President? If we don't watch out we may just get someone like him in the Whitehouse. God have Mercy on America once Again!

1.2 million babies killed each year, why can't we stop this murder of the innocent?

A VOICE!

renny
YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!

Change indeed! An archaic approach to government that has failed everywhere it has ever been tried.

Obama's most common vote
is "present." He evidently hasn't the ethics or guts to vote directly on most legislative issues.

Now, he's on the road campaigning so that he isn't even in the US Senate to vote "present" because he isn't present.

What an engine of "change": avoid responsibility by never taking a "yea" or "nay" position on most issues.

Obama, Clinton, and Edwards offer all the same "change": 19th C. socialism as first proposed by Marx--tax and spend, punish the wealthy (of which most Dems. in Congress are memebrs of), and oppress minorities with smarmy pandering. What change!!!
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