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Wednesday, September 19, 2007
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
How the Democrats Can Lose
by Terry Jeffrey
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Former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, whose political acumen is acknowledged even by Democratic detractors, said something last week that had liberals reflexively nodding.

Pointing to the unpopularity of the Iraq War, the excessive federal spending of recent years and the general disenchantment of the conservative base of the Republican Party, Gingrich set very long odds on Republicans retaining the White House in 2008. "You just look at the dynamics," he told the National Journal, "and you have to say the odds are probably 80-20" in favor of the Democrats.

Newt, of course, is right. The Democrats have the inside track. But that doesn't mean they won't blow it. Nor does it mean that a shrewdly run Republican presidential campaign -- helped by trends that might shift over the next 14 months -- can't beat the odds.

The Democrat's dream scenario goes something like this:

Between now and the Iowa Caucuses, the candidates running to the right in the Republican field fight bitterly among themselves, each seeking to emerge as the sole surviving, viable conservative alternative to Rudy Giuliani, who leads the Republican candidates in most national polls. By Super Duper Tuesday (Feb. 5), there is still no consensus conservative contra-Rudy. In fact, there might even be three claimants still standing.

One would be former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who now appears the best bet to win in Iowa and New Hampshire. The other two might be former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, either of whom could seize the early momentum from Romney if they do well enough in Iowa and New Hampshire and then come back and defeat Romney in South Carolina and Florida, which will precede Super Duper Tuesday.

In the Democrat dream, that sets the stage for the conservative claimants to split the conservative vote on Super Duper Tuesday, allowing Giuliani to win most states that day with a plurality.

In the Democrat dream of dreams, one social conservative survives Super Duper Tuesday and wages a last-ditch effort to stop the pro-abortion, pro-gay-rights, pro-gun control Giuliani from walking off with the nomination of a party, whose base -- especially in those states most likely to give it an Electoral College victory -- is pro-life, pro-family and pro-Second Amendment.

Rudy, the Democrats fantasize, finally emerges as a Republican nominee who not only lacks enthusiastic support from his own party's base, but also lacks the appeal on cultural issues that in recent decades has driven socially conservatives swing voters in swing states into the Republican column.

Smart Democrats know this is important because even in their dreams they know their party does not represent the values of Middle America. They know the America that will go to the polls in 2008 is still the same culturally polarized country whose Electoral College map was painted roughly half red and half blue after both the 2000 and 2004 elections. They know many red states are simply beyond their reach. However, they believe the unpopularity of the Iraq War will move enough otherwise culturally conservative voters in key swing states to give them the election.

If Giuliani is the Republican nominee, it will be easier for the Democrats to do this because he will not only alienate these voters on social issues, he will also alienate them because of his positioning on the Iraq War, which is the most easily caricatured of all the Republicans.

In the final days of a general election campaign in which Giuliani is the Republican nominee, you would likely see Democratic ads featuring a clip from the New Hampshire Republican debate on June 5, when Giuliani was asked whether "knowing what you know right now" he still believed it was a good decision to invade Iraq. Giuliani said it was "absolutely the right thing to do."

So, how can Democrats lose?

First, rather than nominate Giuliani, Republicans unite behind a candidate who can persuasively articulate a comprehensive conservative vision: for limited government, economic liberty, cultural traditionalism and an energetic -- but not rash -- foreign policy aimed at defending the United States at a time when Islamic terrorism poses the greatest threat to our security.

Secondly, the trend toward greater security in Iraq, which Gen. David Petraeus testified to last week, continues, while at least some political progress is made in Baghdad, allowing the conservative candidate to plausibly defend maintaining a U.S. presence in that country, while forcing the Democratic candidate to explain why the withdrawal being advocated by that party will not lead to a humanitarian and security catastrophe that will haunt us for decades.

Finally, the Democratic candidate will inadvertently cooperate with the Republican strategy by fooling herself into believing that the advantage her party has because of the Iraq War and national weariness with the Bush administration can be translated into a domestic mandate for the entire left-wing Baby Boom agenda.

She will even advocate socialized medicine.

In that scenario, a nightmare may be averted. Just enough people might go to the polls next November nursing one conviction that trumps all others: There's no way they would vote for Hillary Clinton.

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A couple of points
Number one, if Gingrich really thinks the chances of the democrat winning are 80-20, he ought to visit intrade.com with a full wallet. It's a futures market for politics, and it's practically my sole reference for predicting elections. People are rarely more honest and careful than when their own money is at stake :)

Intrade predicts the democrats' chances at 60-40. While I wish Gingrich were right, I think that's a much more realistic figure this early in the game.


Second point: as a liberal who badly wants a Democrat president in 2008, Guiliani scares me the MOST by far. He is not the Repub candidate in my dream scenario. He is articulate and experienced and knows how to fight back, as we've seen this and last week. Yes, the social conservatives will whine, but they always come back. They're betrayed every single time, but they always, always come back, because they're gullible and easily lead. Guiliani will lock them up just fine.

F. Thompson is a flash in the pan. He's far too lazy, ugly, and poorly-spoken to compete against Hillary or Obama. His Bush-like policies will be discredited by the worsening situation in Iraq before the election even gets hot.

Romney is too undefined and plain a candidate, and the Mormon thing just plain freaks out the right-wing.

Interesting but only partially right
THe key to winning is indeed Fred Thompson. Giuliani cannot win. ONe reason: he can't talk immigration.

Immigration is the key to a republican victory. We need a candidate who will stop the migration and prevent 50 to 100 million Mexicans from throwing this nation into economic and environmental freefall. It has to be a strong, anti-immigration candidate who isn't afraid to speak up. This is the only issue which will cause the dems to lose the election and both houses.

We need a candidate with bold and coherent plans to get the government out of our live and get spending under control. THis is another weak issue for the Dems. AMnesty will cost trillions, and that's just the next round.

IRaq will be a bloodbath by the time the election rolls around. If the Republicans want to pin their fate on Iraq, they are fools.

IF the Dems win, they will destroy the American voter base thru amnesty.

But at least you are right, Giuliani can't win. He doesn't endear himself to conservatives. Fred can say "Yeah, I made some mistakes, and now I'm going to correct them," and people will love him. If Giuliani tries it, he won't be believed - just another big government liar, why vote for him.

Exactly
This is exactly what I've been saying for months. Giuliani is one of the only Republicans who has almost no chance to win the general election because he'll depress the conservative vote. Hillary is the weakest Democratic candidate because she has such (unprecedented) high negative poll numbers, and she's pushing basically the same socialized health insurance plan that first earned her those high negatives.

Kahryl
Social conservatives are so easily led (note the correct spelling) that we rose up in anger when Bush tried to shove Harriet Miers down our throats. But hey, you don't have to support such an outlandish and ridiculous generalization.

Giuliani will be the next president
Rudy will be the next president of the United States.

He will win the GOP nomination easily and probably choose Huckabee to be his running mate.

Rudy terrifies the democrats because a Giuliani candidacy immediately puts numerous Blue states in play, including NY, NJ, CT, PA and even CA. No other GOP candidate could bring that kind of firepower to the table.

Rudy is popular. According to a recent gallup poll, Rudy Giuliani is the only presidential candidate who has a majority favorable rating -- 55% of Americans rate him favorably, while 32% rate him unfavorably -- and also has the highest net favorable rating of any of the candidates at +23. As a comparison, Hillary in the same poll had a -2 rating.

The messiness of his personal life shows that he's human. The public will give him a pass on his personal life because as he said, he's not running as "the perfect candiate, but as a human being." And all of us can sympathize with the complexities of the human experience. But Rudy's impressive track record as a prosecutor and mayor under fire speaks for itself . He is the only candidate who has proven that he is up to the awesome responsibility, leadership and courage that the presidency demands.

Rudy is by far the most experienced manager. Rudy's mayoralty of the largest city in America (and 4th largest economy) was a resounding and unqualified success. He turned the city around after it was called "ungovernable" by many. In comparison, none of the Democratic front runners have any governing experience at all.


Giuliani will be the next president (2)
Rudy knows how to win and beat the crap out of liberals in their won backyard. He knows exactly how to attack the Left and go for the jugular. I mean, does anyone really believe that any of the other candidates democrat or republican , could go toe-to-toe in a debate with ex-uber prosecutor Rudy who sharpened his debate skills under continuous fire by the hostile liberal NY Press corps during his 8 years as mayor?

Conservatives will be locked in to vote for Rudy. He has given them plenty of reasons to vote for him. Among other things:
1) he promises to make the Bush tax cuts permanent and reduce or get rid of the estate tax.
2) he promises to appoint strict constructionist judges.
3) he promies to crackdown on illegal immigration and secure the borders.
4) he promises to reduce the overall size of really government.
5) he promises to reduce the tax burden on businesses.
6) He promises to continue fighting the "War on Terror' and taking the threat of Islamo-fascism seriously

Many pro-war Independents and "Blue Dogs" will be moved to vote for him too because of his moderate social stances, among those are:
1) Rudy is pro-choice but only up to viability and with other restrictions as well.
2) He is pro-control, but not anti-gun. he supports licensing them, not taking them away.
3) He supports leaving the whole "civil union" issue up to the states.


Giuliani will be the next president (3)
Bottom Line -- Rudy is a federalist, Hillary and Obama are big governemnt socialist liberals who are proponents of the "Nanny State".

If it was a choice between Rudy and Obama or Hillary, the country will be asked to choose between:

1) a socially liberal republican with moderate views on abortion, gun control etc. who will be strong on defense, national security and who promises to cut taxes, crackdown on illegal immigration, appoint constructionist judges, and reduce the size of government

AND

2) a socially liberal democrat who supports abortion on demand, including partial birth abortion, and relaxing or getting rid of parental and spousal notification entirely. One who would appoint liberal judges to the SCOTUS which would begin pulling the court to the far-Left again. A democrat who will raise taxes, hand America a defeat in Iraq, weaken the patriot act, weaken our defense and abilty to combat terrorism, extend civil rights to illegal aliens, appoint liberal judges, and expand the size of government enormously.

The choice will be easy come November 2008.

Rudy will be the next president.

Rudy
Rudy will appoint strict constructionist judges. That is a joke.

Rudy vs. Hillary? Won't matter who wins. Say hello to your new (third world) country the North American Union.

Rudy has been having a good time negotiating contracts for foreign consortiums to build and get tolls on Nafta super highway.

Values voters are easily led? Maybe I am remembering it wrong, but how did Jorge put it? A thumpin..wasn't that it? I wonder if the base will show up to vote for "have you seen me in a dress" Rudy?

The lesser of two evils is hardly so these days.

would uvote for these guys to protectus?
The dems can't even control code pink middle aged moms in congress or students at a college lecture. Nor do they have the cohones to meet "the enemy" and go on Fox news. Someone characterized the policy of dems as "feed all the others to the crocodile, and you'll be the last one eaten," yes the last, but still eaten, the policy of the appeaser. Our enemies are The Terminator Jihadist times what number?

unfair cheap shot on Giuliani
Terence Jeffrey says: "Giuliani was asked whether "knowing what you know right now" he still believed it was a good decision to invade Iraq. Giuliani said it was 'absolutely the right thing to do.'"

To hold that up as a criticism of Giuliani is an unfair double standard in the extreme. Except for Ron Paul, EVERY OTHER Republican candidate also believes that the Iraq War was worth fighting. Including Fred Thompson. To single out Giuliani for defending America's invasion of Iraq is unfair. The American people will hear that line from anyone the GOP nominates.

Thompson cannot win Ohio
Hillary is following the classic Democrat "Blue States Plus Ohio" playbook: All the Blue states that went for Kerry in 2004, plus Ohio, give her enough electoral votes to win the election.

Ohio is now leaning Democrat--in 2006 they elected an ultra-liberal, Sherrod Brown, to the Senate. The usual conservative GOP remains highly unpopular in Ohio because of all the GOP political corruption there (Bob Ney, Governor Taft, etc.). These folks won't vote for another Southern social conservative Republican again--they proved their desire for change in 2006.

Thompson cannot win Ohio, and he won't win a single Blue state. Therefore as the GOP candidate, he would lose the election to Hillary on that basis.

For any GOP candidate to win the Presidency in 2008, he has to either win Ohio or win some Blue State. The only candidates who can do that these days are Northerners and/or moderates. After Bush, Southern Christian social conservatives are so radioactive in Ohio and the Blue States that they simply can't win those states anymore.

I'm supporting Giuliani because Giuliani will probably win New Jersey (a state no Republican has won in decades), and give Hillary a run for her money in Connecticut and even New York.

If Giuliani wins New Jersey early on Election Night, he's got the election in the bag. Fred Thompson wouldn't have a prayer of winning New Jersey.

Kahryl
Yeah, I'll bet you want Hitlery.

More welfare for the lazy and stupid in her (your) voter base. More corruption. (Has Red Nanny drained that swamp yet or is Freezer Money Jefferson stil running around.

Best of all, history is a great judge of the Clinton's actions.

1. Bill Clinton pardoned 140 people, including billionaire financier Marc Rich, who fled the United States in 1983 rather than face charges of tax evasion, fraud and making illegal oil deals with Iran.

2. Rich's ex-wife, songwriter Denise Rich, contributed $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library project, $1.1 million to the Democratic Party and at least $109,000 to Hillary Clinton's bid for the Senate.

3. Hillary Clinton, who has been critical of President Bush's decision to commute the sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, said her husband's pardons were simply a routine exercise in the use of the pardon power, and none was aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy.

Hitlary ich eine Der Fuerher!

Can I get a SEIG HEIL from the libsheep?

BTW, is Hsu STILL ALIVE?

Hitlery is slipping...

Nick in Austin
Exactly.

If Thompson comes out swinging on Illegals AND implementing the Fair Tax (which ends the IRS), he'll win in a landslide. If he can convince Petraeus to retire and join his ticket, it's over for Hitlary and her libnazis.

BTW, ALL,

Check my blog for The Gunny's take on Frau Hitlery's MANDATORY health care!

Hint: "She vill make you show prrrooof of your insurance to get a job interview!

What's next libsquirts? 666 on our foreheads to buy and sell goods!? Ach du LEIBER!

Don't forget libnazis, there is an Ann Coulter book burning sponsored by moveon.org tonight at 1800.

How the Dems can lose
The Republicans can start their campaign by declaring AGW a big fat lie. I assume everyone by now has heard of how NASA was forced to concede that 1998 was not the "warmest year on record." It now acknowledges that 1934 was. And I believe that this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the "data" that the true believers use.

Why should we make big changes in our lives for something that isn't happening?

How the Dems Can Lose
Blah, blah, blah...

The Dems will lose only if Ron Paul is their Republican opponent. He is socially conservative, against the war in Iraq (as are 69% of Americans), strong on illegal immigration, and he draws support from all parties.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

I will not vote...
for Hillary directly or indirectly by not voting.

We need to elect more Repubs to congress and demand they actively support the Repub president in reducing the size and scope of government. The Repubs had this chance in '94 and decided to pursue power and prestige instead. Have they learned their lesson? I hope so for the sake of our country.

Kahryl
I am deeply disturbed by Karyl's rediculous statement that "people are rarely more careful than when their own money is at stake". Though she claims to be a liberal she is spouting the right wing fascist talking points that are constantly used to defend capitalism and the so called free market. If enough Ameicans agree with this stupidity it will make it much more difficult for Hillary to enact an equitable health care plan based on governmental wisdom and fairness instead of profit. If you really are a liberal I suggest you need re-education on this issue.

How about a REAL conservative?
Mr. Jeffrey,

I loved your article, especially the tongue-in-cheek ending about Hillary and socialized medicine. I did however, want to point out that the dream candidate you describe is already there.

You said, "First, rather than nominate Giuliani, Republicans unite behind a candidate who can persuasively articulate a comprehensive conservative vision: for limited government, economic liberty, cultural traditionalism and an energetic -- but not rash -- foreign policy aimed at defending the United States at a time when Islamic terrorism poses the greatest threat to our security."

That candidate is Duncan Hunter. He's both socially and fiscally conservative, dead RIGHT on immigration and perfect on foreign policy and the war in Iraq.

And he CAN win, because he is the kind of candidate that voters will rally behind, unlike Guliani, Mitt, McCain, and Fred - all of whom are bad for America.

For Terence Jeffrey:
From the Article:
"First, rather than nominate Giuliani, Republicans unite behind a candidate who can persuasively articulate a comprehensive conservative vision: for limited government, economic liberty, cultural traditionalism and an energetic -- but not rash -- foreign policy aimed at defending the United States at a time when Islamic terrorism poses the greatest threat to our security. "

Names, please. Who out there in the Republican field meet that requirement? I'd be interested to know who Jeffrey's candidate is.

Re: social conservatives:

What do John McCain, Rudy Guiliani, Fred Thompson have in common? Answer: dumped original wife for another woman.

What do Mitt Romney and Rudy Guiliani have in common? Answer: support the Iraq war if and only if their son(s) are not serving in the military. (Especially Romney, I guess his five strapping young sons have "other priorities" in life than to serve in the war their daddy supports.)

Karl Marx
"I am deeply disturbed by Karyl's rediculous statement that "people are rarely more careful than when their own money is at stake"."

Ridiculous how? Do you mean to say that you are not careful with your money when you invest it or gamble with it? You just throw money at whatever attracts your whim? If I owned a casino, you would be a valued customer.

And Karhyl can't be a real liberal, by your estimation, because she believes in capitalism and free markets? I don't think you can be a communist and expouse those things, surely, but you can be a liberal. Plenty of liberals out there with 401ks, mutual funds, and stock portfolios. Michael Moore and Barbara Streisand had stock in Halliburton of all things. You can throw them overboard if you like.

http://www.jimkarpen.com/intrade.html

Read up. Intrade's gambling numbers predicted the last elections more accurately than ANY opinion poll taken.

What's so ridiculous about superior accuracy in prediction an election outcome?

Kathryl
Good, thoughtful points. As a conservative, I don't want one of today's Dems in the WH, but I tend to buy your theory more than Newt's. Time will tell.

look
If before the end of 2007, a new "Iraqi Salvation in Peace" coalition can emerge, with or without Maliki, and pass an oil revenue sharing bill, a bill allowing for the return to public service of at least lower ranking Baathists, and set provincial elections for the first quarter of 2008 thereby showing governing authority and progress on the Iraqi political front (given the continued progress on the security front), 2008 will be a bad year for the Dems, period.
There is NO major solidarity by the US citizens with the Dems on their social agendas.
Whether Congress is spending $20 billion more in the next budget or $200 billion, the US public is tired of the fiscal irresponsibilities, period (and the DEMs definintely don't get this), and the GOP learned this lesson in 2006! Dem "mouthpieces" can complain that they are only wanting more funding for "the kids", "the elderly", the "poor"...and all their usual "victims", but "MA and PA America" know only too well that if you must pick up extra expenses in one area of a household budget, the answer is to lower expenses in another area; BORROWING IS NOT THE ANSWER! The "Piper" of debt WILL be paid eventually, and in the absence of a lottery win, with much misery.
The GOP must regain the fight for not only a Constitutionally mandated balanced budget out of the Fed annually, but one that is mandated to produce revenue to retire the principal on our national debt! It's the only way; Congress spends like true addicts, so they must be controlled beyond their own merits, and they deserve not one more penney of taxes from the people to accomplish the erasure of their sins.
Corp CEOs are demonized daily for their excessive earnings, but at least many of these assure stockholder benefits with their efforts; our Congress awards themselves raises even when they have spent the national rent money on "candy."

Bowa: Good Analysis
I believe Giuliani is the most electable GOP candidate. A socially conservative running mate(Huckabee or Hunter) will help assuage the base and add some appeal for the red state voter.

For me, the election shapes up more as a "con" vote rather than a "pro" vote. The thought of Clinton or Obama (or both) requires a steel will to bear.


Best Case Scenario for GOP.....
The American people reach up and grab that common sense off the top shelf, dust it off and do their homework instead of letting the talking heads do their thinking for them. When that happens and they seriously look AND compare the candidates knowledge, hands-on experience, voting records and track records top to bottom, the choice is crystal clear. Duncan Hunter.

He is the wisest, the most experienced when it comes to national defense, securing the borders, DOT's Cross-Border Program, fair trade, fair tax and bringing the good jobs back to the U.S.

Republicans have let candidates riding the celebrity card --- Goofy Rudy, Lazy Fred become a huge factor....forget the issues, we like him. Then you have Slick Willy Mitt if you like being "sold" a bill of goods despite your obvious lack of substance. Pastor Huckabee is too soft for all the issues, the others have substance issues as well........leaving Duncan Hunter. Texas is waking up and now we're waiting for the rest of the country to do the same. http://www.gohunter08.com. See for yourself, I did and knew I was supporting the wrong guy. He truly is THE RIGHT STUFF !! Carolyn from TX

citizen carrier
While it sounds reasonable on the surface that people are more careful with their own money they cannot be expected to spend it as well as enlightened govt experts who have been highly educated in how to spend society's $ in ways that are of the most benefit to the greatest # of people. And while Streisand and Moore may have made the mistake of owning Haliburton they do not "espouse" such "free market" nonsense. They are promoting a fairer society where companies like that wouldn't be allowed to exist and therefore can be forgiven such transgressions.

Absolutley Right
If Republicans select a pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, pro-gun control, weak on illegal immigration Rudy, then let them eat tacos.

The medicine they need to recover from these ailments is four years of Hillary. I'll vote Green.

Rudy can win it all.
I am sorry, no conservative would sit out an election between Hillary and Rudy just to pout over not having a pure conservative candidate. (come on, Hillary will scare all Republicans to vote). Most Conservatives also believe in security, limited government, strong leadership, and policies that promote opportunity...these are the BIG issues. (Not all conservatives vote only on the hot button social issues of abortion, gun control, etd...and on these issues Rudy is much more conservative than any Democrat). This argument seems to forget that not all conservatives are religiously motivated. I am a secular Republican, and the toss up states a full of them. Any Republican that can put NJ, CT, CA and PA into play is a Democrats worse night-mare. I support Rudy!

GINGRICH IS NOT BEING SINCERE

.....Newt is just trying to light a fire under the Republican base with his off-the-wall prediction of 80/20 ...

.....The Democrats might take both Houses of Congress but they will not get the White House if it is Hillary vs Giulani ...

.....Both liberal Kahryl (first poster) and conservative Vespa agree on this ...

.....Giulani is the Democrats worst nightmare ...if he is the Republican nominee I predict that he will win the election going away ...it won't even be close .....COLOSSUS

NE/MW
Rudy may be able to win NJ (Not NY, or CN). Romney may also be able to win MI. He may also be able to win some NE states. When he switches to a national campaign strategy his poll numbers in the NE states will come up and his head to heads with Hillary will improve.

Hillary has evolved on the war and other issues. It will be difficult for her to make the flipflop attack work well in the general election. Besides Romney has moved in the right direction in his evolution and Hillary has moved in the direction of weakness (code pink).

Fred is extremely vulnerable to the gender gap and lobbying issues in the general election. I do not think he can win the general with his baggage. He also looks like Hillary's grand father (unless he gets just the right make up, camera angle and distance).

Anyone better than Hillary
My strong preference is for Duncan Hunter. I also like Huckabee.

However, I will vote for Giuliani or any other Republican against Hillary.

Frankly, I have been disappointed by Thompson. While Giuliani has taken the attack to Hillary, Thompson has come across as disinterested. I am frankly unsure if he has the fire to fight against the Clinton machine. The other thing I don't like about Thompson - unlike Romney, Huckabee and Giuliani, he doesn't have executive experience.

However, if he is the GOP candidate, I will vote for him. This is not a knee-jerk reaction against Democrats. There are several Dems that, while I don't agree with their politics, I respect. However, I cannot stand Hillary. I think she would be a liberal Nixon.

I think all of us Republicans need to vote our hearts during the nomination, and vote for the candidate we like best, whether it's Ron Paul, Fred Thompson, Rudy, Romney, etc. However, during the general election, we need to vote with our heads and unite behind the alternative to Hillary.

Southern
In 2008, the GOP will probably not be able to use the Southern strategy that it won with in the last 2 elections.

Thompson is Southern but he is far less qualified than W was and has a lot more negative baggage than W had. W barely won. If you add in the drag of Iraq, Fred is a guaranteed loser in the general. Hillary will turn Bill loose to roam the South and Fred will not carry all of the South.

That leaves Rudy and Romney. They have some chance of winning purple states in the NE and in Romney's case the MW. They will also have to beat Bill, not just Hillary in the South. However, they may be able to offset a loss in AR with a gain in the NE or MW.

One of Bill's biggest negatives is his womanizing. Fred does not match up well there, neither does Rudy.

I hope they don't.
It's long been my opinion that this version of the Republican Party needs to be purged before it can rise again, so I hope the Democrats have a big year in 2008, as long as the Republican takes the White House and if it must be Giuliani, so be it, since he's got the best chance of beating Clinton. The Dems can have 59 Senate Seats and 280 or so House seats. I guarantee that they'll muck things up to the point where the Repubs should have an easy time of it accross the country, provided they produce cantidates willing to take on the Dems in a street brawl. Say what you mean and mean what you say regardless of what the Times or the Post or Sally field thinks of it. Speaking of mothers, weren't Indira Ghandhi,Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher all mothers?

That's what scares the bejeezus...
out of me.

"...weariness with the Bush administration can be translated into a domestic mandate for the entire left-wing Baby Boom agenda."

One day the Iraq war will be over but if we elect Dems/Libs they will enact socialist policies that will likely never be undone. Those disaffected with the war and Bush (as am I) really need to take the long view and figure out where the long term interests of the country best lie. Socialized medicine, tax increases, weak foreign policy, more gun control, etc. A protest vote could get folks much more than they sign up for.

Rudy vs. Hillary
Interesting choice...

I think, though, we are best served by getting a conservative. I kinda like Huckabee now...

Myth Busters United
So many myths being promulgated by this column and a lot of the commentors. First, everyone, rid yourselves of this "Red State/Blue State" paradigm. The States are NOT red or blue. It is an urban vs rural divide with the suburbs split. How does that effect the election and Rudy G? Well, he may be able to carry NYC as he has done that before, but can he carry the rest of the State> Evidently he didn’t think so in the last election he ran for as he dropped out of the race. Can her carry CA in a presidential election as a Republican? Not a chance in h*ll.

Secondly, Rudy would do bad in the South because he is not a religious/social conservative. BS, he will do bad among ALL conservatives because he is LIBERAL.

And lastly, if Rudy gets the Republican nomination it doesn’t matter who the Dems nominate. Be it Shrillary or a bucket of dirt, the Dems will win in a landslide. Why? Because, at most, he may deliver NY and he would lose the South because the conservatives will either stay home or vote 3rd party while the Dems will be out in droves to vote for their communist of choice.

Dave Stone
I agree. Hillary could have scandals every day. She will not only deny it, but the press will still support her. I read an article by a liberal journalist after Jorge got elected. She was saying they should protect their own in the future even if they are wrong. The Clintons are not going to have to pay for their sins and corruption.

Someone said...maybe the GOP has learned it's lesson??? That must be why they were going to pass the amnesty bill.

We are running out of time. I believe we will see the end of our country as we know it with the next president if it's any top tier. Rockefeller's new world order will come right after that. You can read the bible to see how the one world gov thing works out.

If a Hillary gets both nominations
why should any variant of conservative vote for either one? Just because the bald version has the (R) label attached?

skinnywhiteboy:
I don't think so, you see I live here. McShame was the original leader in SC.

Good grief! Ron Paul is a joke!
Warren Small....I hate to break the news to you but Ron Paul is not the answer. Get a clue! He is a pacifist, truther weasel and unelectable. Wait......maybe he should become a security guard, after all, they are much better than our military soldiers according to this idiot.

Fear Rudy and fear the FRED!!!!!!


It isn't "limited" Gov't we want
Its CONSTITUTIONAL government. Don't be fooled by any republicrat's nostrums about "limited" government. They've had plenty of time for that and failed. They ignore Constitutional Government because they aren't interested in it. Only power. Their propaganda is very success as illustrated by elephants who refer to Dr. Ron Paul as "a joke" and "truther" when he actually is the ONLY candidate interested in Constitutional government as intended by our founders and is the only one telling the truth. Truth which sheople choose to fool themselves into casting as conspiracy theories. None of which Paul is talking about.

for GunnyG
GunnyG writes: "If Thompson comes out swinging on Illegals AND implementing the Fair Tax (which ends the IRS), he'll win in a landslide."

A landslide???

You're WRONG, and I can prove it very easily:

A southern social conservative like Thompson has to hang on to virtually all the Western and Southern states if he has a prayer of winning a majority in the Electoral College.

Ohio, which Bush won in 2004, is now trending liberal Democrat, so Thompson won't win there.

In 2004, Bush won Nevada, but by only 20,000 votes. The only reason Bush squeaked through there was because he picked up enough Hispanic votes from Nevada which now has a large Hispanic community. Bush, unlike Thompson, courted the Hispanic vote.

Thompson's and YOUR stand on immigration guarantee that all the Hispanics in Nevada will vote against Thompson, they will vote Democrat.

Nevada isn't the only such state. New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado are all starting to trend a little Blue, due to heavy Hispanic immigration in the last 5 or so years. If Thompson is unable to win ALL FOUR of those states, he has NO HOPE of winning the election. Go ahead, take an electoral map of America and try to put together an Electoral College victory for Thompson that does not include Nevada or Ohio. Which states is he going to win???

Know what's wrong with you and all your friends here? You're following your hearts instead of your head. You just like what Thompson has to say. But the REAL question you should be asking is: How will Thompson play in Ohio, Nevada, and other swing states? (Because Thompson won't win a single Blue state, even you must acknowledge that.)


Ron Paul: townhall's own spam
On Internet newsgroups, I'm accustomed to setting up a spam filter so I don't have to be plagued reading spam posts.

I wish townhall.com had such a facility. Because I would set it to delete EVERY post that talks about Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is townhall.com spam of the highest order.

southern social conservative like
Thompson???? I don't know where you get your cr*p from but Thompson is far from a "social conservative".

But your boy RINO Rudy IS a liberal.

PIANO GIRL AND WARREN small



.....If Ron Paul is the great defender of the Constitution he claims to be then why doesn't he head up a group in opposition to the ACLU ...he could call it the ACPU (American Constitution Protection Union) and then using the same tactics as the ACLU find straw man plaintiffs to challenge all the Unconstitutional Departments in Washington? ...

.....He says he wants to do away with the Department of Education ...but what has he done about it? ...introduce a Bill on the floor that he knows will never go anywhere? ...but one that he can point to to win favor with Conservatives? ...

.....Hillary's Health Care scheme is UnConstitutional ...does Paul plan to challenge it in court all the way to the Supreme ...what I see of Paul is that he talks the talk but does not walk the walk except to make symbolic votes against Bills he knows will pass by wide margins ...it doesn't take much courage to be a symbol ...

.....Until I see Paul ...or any Conservative ...challenge the Department of Education all the way to the Supreme Court as Roe vs Wade was ...I won't believe any of them .....COLOSSUS

Postscript: VIC ...If Rudy gets the nomination the Southern Social Conservatives will not vote against him ...they will compare him to Hillary and they will vote for Rudy enmasse ...Rudy will hold the Conservative base ...could pick up as much as 15 percent of the Democrats ...and 60 per cent of the independent moderates ...Rudy will win in a landslide and if I am wrong I will buy you a 20oz steak .....COLOSSUS

Those who have said immigration
is the key element are correct, I believe. Like others who have posted, I will begrudgingly vote for whoever the GOP nominates, even if it isn't my top candidate -- because a vote for any Republican is a vote against Hillary. But what I really want to see if a GOP candidate that just clobbers the daylights out of the illegal immigration issue. Personally, I think it is the most dangerous issue we face after foreign terrorists on our soil (some of whom ARE illegal immigrants, I grant you). So far, I'm not impressed with anyone because no one is stepping up to the plate directly on this issue.

Gawd people, how easily you forget
The dims worst enemy is the dims. After their pander affair to get the nomination they will have so alienated middle America that they are unelectable. I'm certain that ANY Republican, except Mitt (Ron Paul is NO Republican) will defeat the dim nominee. I would be equally happy with Rudy, Fred, Duncan or Mike. But regardless, I'm voting Republican (even Mitt) and always will as long as there's a breath left in my body. Anyone who doesn't vote for the Republican nominee is not a true American.

Karl Marx
""While it sounds reasonable on the surface that people are more careful with their own money they cannot be expected to spend it as well as enlightened govt experts""

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Out of every dollar allocated to welfare a whole 25 cents gets to the intended recipient. The other 75 cents is eaten up by government "expenses"!!

GROW UP!!

That's why we need a "vote for two "
That's why we need a "vote for two" primary election! Otherwise, several good cantidates can split the votes of the most reasonable people and the one that stands out as different wins the primary even if he is a joke to most people. A good way to lose in 2008!

Guess who stands out as the one most reasonable people think is a joke?

I think Fred will fall by the wayside as people get to know him. Rudy, Mitt, Duncan & Huckabee are all outstanding people. We should get solidly behind which ever one (or pair) of them moves to the top.

Rudy and Fred
In the last debate, Rudy's answers didn't impress me as someone who can take on a well-rehearsed liar (Hillary). He skirted some of the real issues with his same old "this is what I did in NY" mantra. He will eventually allow himself to be drawn into the personal life defense. Finally, he never stood up and said anything close to "WE NEED TO GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES" or "WE NEED TO GO AFTER EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS."

Fred started his race in Tennessee (replacing a liberal Dem, Al Gore) twenty points down. He won by twenty votes.

All he has to do is tell Americans the two quotes above and they will believe him, and he will crush Hillary and her big government boondoggle.

Correction
He won by twenty POINTS, not votes.

Those who "filter" Paul are Sheople
As SteveL aptly demonstrates:
"Ron Paul: townhall's own spam
On Internet newsgroups, I'm accustomed to setting up a spam filter so I don't have to be plagued reading spam posts.

I wish townhall.com had such a facility. Because I would set it to delete EVERY post that talks about Ron Paul."

Only statist sheople and/or the intellectually lazy "filter out" that with which they disagree. Are you a liberal or other type of statist collectivist Steve? That is the only thing that would cause a person to "filter out" the ONLY candidate (thus far) interested in ACTUAL Constitutional government. Why do you have no interest in Constitutional government Steve?
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