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Wednesday, August 01, 2007
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Teaching Moment From the District of Columbia
by Terry Jeffrey
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The District of Columbia deserves the gratitude of taxpayers everywhere for giving the nation a lesson in governance. It is proving that spending more on public schools is a waste of money.

That was the unintended lesson of the press conference District Mayor Adrian Fenty called this week to announce that half the District's public schools would not have proper textbooks for opening day and half the school buildings would not have air conditioning.

This is not because the District has been frugal. Its public schools wallow in cash.

Their profligacy is made possible, in part, by federal taxpayers, who according to the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), provided a subsidy of $2,383 per student enrolled in the District's primary and secondary schools in the 2003-2004 school year. That was more than the per-pupil subsidy for any state and almost three times the national average of $864.

The District also spent a lot of its own money, racking up a combined local and federal total of $15,414 in spending per pupil in average daily attendance. That, too, was more than any state, nearly doubling the national average of $8,899.

Given that half the District's school buildings don't have working air-conditioners and half the schools won't have their books on time, you might be tempted to guess that the District spends more money on, say, teachers than on facilities and administrators. Don't give in to the temptation.

In 2003-2004, says NCES, the District spent $1,869 per student on "capital outlays." That was money "for the acquisition of land and buildings; building construction, remodeling and additions; the initial installation or extension of service systems and other built-in equipment; and site improvement."

Additionally, the District spent $1,464 per student on "operation and maintenance." This included "salary, benefits, supplies, and contractual fees for supervision of operations and maintenance, operating buildings (heating, lighting, ventilating, repair and replacement), care and upkeep of grounds and equipment, vehicle operations and maintenance (other than student transportation), security, and other operations and maintenance services."

That means the District spent a total of $3,333 per student to make sure there were enough new and remodeled buildings and sufficient maintenance staff to keep the air-conditioners going. Of all the states, only frozen Alaska approached this level of spending for facilities and maintenance, spending a combined $3,220 per student on these two categories.

Now, you might be tempted to think that the District spent so much buying and maintaining buildings that it could not afford the crack administrators needed to order textbooks. Don't give in to that temptation, either.

The District spent $662 per student on "school administration" and $302 per student on "general administration." The former included the "salary, benefits, supplies, and contractual fees" for "the office of the principal, full-time department chairpersons and graduation expenses," the latter included the money for the "boards of education staff and executive administration."

That means the District spent $994 per student for two layers of administrators who were supposed to make sure the books arrived on time. Only two states, New Jersey ($1,049) and Vermont ($1,045) spent more.

Now, you might be tempted to think that the District spent so much on buildings, maintenance and administrators that it could not afford teachers. It also would be a mistake to surrender to this temptation.

The District spent $664 per student on "instructional staff," a category that includes not only old-fashioned classroom teachers, but also "expenditures for curriculum development, staff training, libraries, and media and computer centers."

Compared to the money spent on buildings, maintenance and administrators, this $664 might seem paltry. Forget that temptation, too. The District spent more per pupil on "instructional staff" than any state.

In return, however, it got less "instruction" than any state.

In the 2005 National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered to eighth-graders, only 12 percent of District students scored grade-level proficient in reading and only 7 percent scored grade-level proficient in math. No state did that poorly. The District spent the most money and got the worst results.

But when District kids are sweating in their classrooms later this month waiting for their books to arrive, at least they will have the satisfaction of knowing they attend the most expensive public schools in the United States.

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students
why do ASIAN students do so well no matter how much $ we spend on them?

Anyone
except liberals understand money hasn't worked for education or any other of society's problems. Name one liberal run program that has been successful or financially efficient. The answer is NONE. But then again, liberal programs don't focus on helping people overcome their problems, it's just about the money. Other people's money.

Re "Name One"
The GI Bill provided a college education for returning World War II veterans. I remember learning in a college Sociology course that the GI Bill changed the entire social makeup of the United States by vastly expanding our middle class. And many, many individuals greatly increased their lifetime earnings via the GI Bill.

Is CT the same person who posted the other day that liberals have done nothing for humanity? I would refer him to the July 27 post of religiouslib who listed 32 programs initiated by liberal administrations. Unless of course CT happens to think that such issues as workplace safety and the TVA are not important.

top heavy
A major overhaul is in order for this school district and most across the country. The children always seem to get the scraps from the education budget and no amount of cage rattling by parents and media makes a difference. Until they bite bullet and scrap the current system, we'll keep getting more of the same.

The point is:
Good Education and Money Spent do NOT equate.

You can get a good education for free, at the local public library (if you can avoid the porn there.)

It's not JUST how much you spend or even WHERE you spend it - but a GOOD instructional program that TEACHES is more important than all the money you can throw at it.

Time for DC to 'get back to basics' maybe? A little phonics, a little memorization (of multiplication tables) and heaven forbid, some 'outside reading' may be in order. One other thing may help the most: QUIT DUMBING DOWN and EXPECTING FAILURE. Children are smart enough to know when they are being duped by teachers.

Scooter
Asian students do well because they apply themselves. And why do they do that? Because their parents (note the plural) insist on it.

In my state, New Mexico, nearly one-half of all Hispanic students drop out before finishing high school. The reaction of the Liberal establishment? This is a failure of the educational system.

It starts in the home. The culture of blacks and Hispanics is anti-education. The culture of whites and especially Asians is pro-education. The restults are predictable.

You're Kidding, Right?
Out of 14 thousand dollars per student, less than 1 thousand went to actual teaching? How could any company survive with overhead thirteen times the cost of production? It boggles the mind. Give me more gubmint 'cause they do everything so well.

the money -- imagine the possibilities
of where you could send your child if school choice was an option - think of what a homeschooling family could do with it.


Stop the madness
There should be nothing "Federal" about our public schools. If you would like to be refreshed with some inspired thinking on education, please visit http://www.ronpaullibrary.org and go to the education section.

Ron Paul has advocated closing down the unnecessary Department of Education, giving parents a $3000 tax credit for each student, giving teachers a $1000 tax credit, and starting a scholarship funds for public schools at the local level.

Check him out!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com

lilly as usual is wrong again...
lilly whines: "Is CT the same person who posted the other day that liberals have done nothing for humanity? I would refer him to the July 27 post of religiouslib who listed 32 programs initiated by liberal administrations. Unless of course CT happens to think that such issues as workplace safety and the TVA are not important"...

Its NOT the federal government's job to initiate & perpetuate these supposedly, "good" programs or extort from the productive in this country to pander to the parasitic either so as to finance said programs...

Hey lilly, are you a public school graduate?

If so, point made...

Superintendent Salaries
When the superintendent of Wichita Public Schools receives a salary of $220K+ which is a considerable pay increase from the previous year, what do you expect? Better grades, better students? No. The surrounding school districts kick Wichita's butt.

Public schools are a joke. Why do you think homeschooling has become so popular?


Lily does demonstrate the problem
Don't beat her up too much...she is demonstrating where liberals struggle. They tend to see that there is an issue, fail to see that the market is adjusting for it already, but don't want to wait.

Then, when the gov't program and the free market are both engaged in addressed the recognized issue, and the free market is helping, and the gov't program failing, they don't see the distinction, and believe the gov't solution to be the one helping.

This is certainly true with workplace safety (OSHA versus the tort system), medicine (where uninsured and non-government services get cheaper, while gov't involvement increases cost and decreases quality), and a host of other issues. Public schooling is the most damaging system in our culture today, and worst way of delivering educational services. Homeschooling and private schooling try to help, but libs just don't get it, and don't want to address real results.

If we at least allowed public schools to kick out misbehaving miscreants, then at least the 23 good kids in the room wouldn't have to put up with the damage that the two bad kids were doing. But libs don't even want that...it is better to them that everyone should suffer, than the two bad kids be forced to get a real job or go to jail two years earlier. The price that the good kids pay for that decision doesn't play a part in their calculation.

Pianogirl pimping for another...
9-11 Truther I see...

Grab a clue Pianogirl: http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/06/06/gibson-the-ron-paul-truthers/

Unions
Are the reason for the CHAOS in Urban School Districts. The Unions go out of their way to featherbed their rolls with teacher’s aides, psychologists and other non-essential personnel. Once they are tenured, it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to fire even the most incompetent teacher!

Dismantle the NEA, DOE and Local Unions, mandate School Vouchers and Fire the Incompetents!

The above 3 steps would DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE the Quality of Public Education,

juandos
Your serious right?

You think OSHA is a waste of money? Do you honestly think private industry would pick up the slack?

For the record
Washtington DC is not typical by any stretch of the imaginiation. It is a muncipal government that elected a crack head twice as mayor.

There is nothing about DC not being a state that doesnt screw it up. They dont even have congressional representation eventhough the citizens pay federal income tax.

Im going out on a limb and say the problems noted here are not with public education as a whole, but with the way its praticed in the District.

"Public" Education
Correct the words used in the discussion and it gets us closer to seeing the problem. We have NO public school system. We have a government school system. Remember, all those in the system are "from the government and they are there to help!"

Doesn't that scare you a little more than a Public School System?

Scooter
In regards to your question about Asian students....I saw a nation-wide poll 2-3 years ago asking children, "What is the lowest grade you can bring home with out upsetting your parents?" The majority of the black and hispanic children said "C", the majority of the white children said "B", and the majority of the Asian children said "A".

The state of our public schools is shameful, but the "modern" liberal mindset of the traditional two-parent family being unneeded and overrated has also done more than its fair share of damage.

Lilly
"Unless of course CT happens to think that such issues as workplace safety and the TVA are not important."

You're off-base on these two examples, Lilly, although I can't really blame you--the common perception is that the TVA was a great thing and that OSHA is the worker's best friend. There was a time when I might have felt the same way.

But the actual fact, suppressed in most history books, is that TVA usurped the function of private utility companies--most notably Commonwealth & Southern--who were also working to electrify the South. It wasn't that the TVA provided electricity to areas that the private utilities were slow to cover. TVA made a concerted attempt to electrify the entire South and put the private utilities there out of business.

The Roosevelt Administration's campaign against private utilities around the country was part of a larger anti-business crusade that helped deepen and prolong the Great Depression. The value of utility stocks was greatly depressed during the 30s, and they certainly didn't add many jobs during those years. Worse, they contributed to an air of uncertainty that kept businesses from investing and expanding.

As for OSHA, the general idea is good but the executuion is poor. Owners of businesses regulated by OSHA will tell you that their rules are frequently arbitrary, and hinder business without really increasing safety. A business might be able to protect its employees just as well using other, less costly methods can't do it because of inflexible OSHA regulations. In other words, if OSHA worked differently more workers would have jobs. Maybe they're not the worker's best friend after all.

Public schools, which were the original topic, are consistently out-performed by private schools and home-schooling parents. The government-as-direct-provider model doesn't work very well in general, and the poor performance of our public schools is a sterling example of this principle.

Public Education
This past year, the state where I live enjoyed a $1 Billion surplus at the end of the fiscal year mainly becuase our economy has been really good.
Becuase there are so many kids in secondary education here we have one of the lowest per-pupil spending in the country despite the fact that a little over half the money in the state budget usually goes toward eduacation. When the teachers union found out how much of a surplus we had they immedialtly went to the govenors office and demanded that they get $600 million of it. Every year seniors in high school are required to pass a compentcy test which is made up of two parts and you have to pass both tests.
This past school year 1 in 4 students either failed one part or both parts. They received a certificate instead of a diploma. Becuase of this the state came up with a voucher program which allows parents to recieve money from the state up to $3000 depending on your income to send their kids to a school of their choice be it private or charter schools. It was immediatly challenged in court and the Supreme Court of the state upheld it and now it is on a referendum for the people to decide.
I know this is kind of a long post but my point is you can't throw money at the problem and expect the problem to be resolved. It doesn't work and never will. I could go on about some other problems our state is having with eduacation but it would get kind of boring.


Big Dogg
Typical liberal blather. You will not prevent people hear from speaking the truth by calling them "racist".
Mr. D's statement was 100% factually correct. If the facts bother you.... too bad.
If you study and do well in the black community you are ostracized and labelled as too white. It is considered uncool to do well in school in the black community. Is this news to you?
P.S. your statistics with regard to blacks graduating at a higher rate than whites in the 25-29 age group is hysterical.

Lilly
One of the biggest boondoggles created by government was when President (I love sticking my foot in my mouth) Carter created the Dept. of Education. Ever since then our education system has basically gone down the toilet.

As a native Washingtonian, I must object
This discussion was going well until two writers had to insult all of us native Washingtonians as uneducated troglodytes. I am a product of DC public schools. I completed a 5 year BS/MA program in 4 and half years at George Washington and have been doing well ever since (not that such boasting matters, because it doesn’t).
First, Marion Barry. The reason Marion Barry was reelected is the same reason many Democrats get elected: he took from the rich and gave to the poor. Mayor Barry created many government programs aimed at the poor in the city who then rewarded him with their votes. His shameful arrest became irrelevant when he again ran for mayor because the poor remembered his government programs and again rewarded him with votes.
Second, and this is related to the first, DC is heavily Democrat. Who ever wins the Democratic nomination for mayor becomes mayor practically by default. This means that as a city we fully ascribe to the Democrat canard that big government will save us. Any ideas that stress self-sufficiency or personal responsibility or the advantages of the market are shot down as if one were suggesting the earth is flat. We have become what the Democrats have always wanted: an entity that looks to government as the first, second, and third option to solve our problems.

Native Washingtonian, cont
For an example of government dependency in action the Washington Times reported on Monday that the District's school voucher program may come to an end with the new Democratic congress. This program has enabled some of our talented students to leave their shoddy neighborhood schools and attend private schools. One young lady noted that the private school to which she transferred had higher standards and expected more from her. She had to adjust to the more demanding curriculum, but she did so.
Our non-voting rep, Ms. Eleanor Holmes Norton, argued that the program should be cut because it takes money from the public schools. The same public schools that spend about $14,000 per a student yet are in the bottom of just about all measures of educational performance. Such a statement is typical of the government-as-savior mindset that has so infected the city. Fortunately some parents plan to fight to keep the voucher program so that their children and the children of other parents will have an opportunity to leave these miserable schools.

Faulty Info
Big Dogg,
I looked at 4 different national studies and they all gave almost identical numbers...

"....while 75 percent of white students graduated from high school in 2001, only 50 percent of all Black students,....and 53 percent of all Hispanic students got a high school diploma."

According to the Economic Policy Institute:

Graduation rates:

Whites 78%
Blacks 55%
Hispanics 53%
Asians 90%

Your Census data and percentages are all screwed up too...the data is only for those over 25 and includes those who have also completed a GED.

Big Dogg
Just for you!

Black Student College Graduation Rates Inch Higher But a Large Racial Gap Persists

Nationwide, the black student college graduation rate remains at a dismally low 43 percent. But the college completion rate has improved by four percentage points over the past three years. As ever, the black-white gap in college graduation rates remains very large and little or no progress has been achieved in bridging the divide.

Throughout the nation, black enrollments in higher education have reached an all-time high. But a more important statistical measure of the performance of blacks in higher education is that of how many black students are completing school and earning a college degree.

The economic gains that come from a college degree are transparently obvious. Department of Education data shows that, as expected, black students who earn a four-year college degree have incomes that are substantially higher than blacks who have only some college experience but have not earned a degree.

Most important, in view of the huge penalty race discrimination has imposed on African Americans in the United States, is the fact that blacks who complete a four-year college education have a median income that is now near parity with similarly educated whites.

But the good news is severely tempered by the unacceptably low college completion rate of black students. According to the most recent statistics, the nationwide college graduation rate for black students stands at an appallingly low rate of 43 percent.* This figure is 20 percentage points below the 63 percentage rate for white students. On this front, the only positive news is that over the past three years the black student graduation rate has improved by four percentage points.


Let me get this straight
They spent $15,414 per pupil. Of this amount, $1869 went to capital outlays, $1464 to operation and maint, $662 for school admin, $302 for general admin, and $664 for instructional staff and supplies. What else is left to account for the remaining $10,543 spent per pupil and, how many pupils are there?

Bring on Nationalized Health Care!!!!!
After reading this article, I am so very inspired by our liberal presidential wannabes that tout universal health care. If they spend $14K a child on education, what do you think they will end up spending per person on universal health care???? I guess they will just get the rich to pay for it, right?

CAN'T WAIT!!!!!

Big Dogg
"The culture of blacks and Hispanics is anti-education. The culture of whites and especially Asians is pro-education. "

"Absurd racist blather. According to the Census, whites graduate HS at 84%, Asians at 87%, blacks at 78% and Latinos (who often don't speak the language), at 57%"

First, of all, not all dogs are liberals like you, Black Dog and Big Black Dog. You guys must be Afghan Hounds, which is consistently the dumbest dog breed.

The census graduation figures mean absolutely nothing. Schools are rewarded for high test scores and graduation rate. So, everyone gets a diploma and all the teachers get a raise. The problem is that none of the graduates can read, write or do long division. Check with any employer and ask them about the declining job applicants basic skills and the status of public education.

Go into any urban environment and see for yourself. I live in Memphis, TN which is mostly black. With the exception of a few upscale areas, education is on the bottom of priorities for families and their children. It is a fact, sir, not census figures. And, please stop using the R word everytime someone disagrees with you.

Ace
Thanks for the first hand account from your home town. I believe the TH posters know better than and didn't intend to reduce your city's entire population to "uneducated troglodytes". I urge you not to take offense and commend you for going against the senseless majority politics infecting your local government.

BTW, I've been to DC; sleazy local and federal politics aside, it is a great city with endless entertainment and culture.

Ellison
You wrote;

Also, I am African American, live in Urban America, and have never experienced that statement of a low priority. I went to Howard U (Over 7000 Students of African Descent) somewhat recently and never experienced that. Even in high school (400 African American), I never experienced that. So what do you say now?
Is this news to you?

What I say is ....Why would you use an exception to prove a rule? If you say you have never heard of that before, you are a liar. I wasn't aware you represent the entire black community.
Very typical of a black man. If I provide factual information about your race that shines an unfavorable light on you.....I'm a racist and I wear a hood.
I was responding to a previous post. I was responding to a post that was disputing factual information.
You don't mind if I provide information on the statistical difference in graduation rates between blacks and whites, ....do you?
Oh , I forgot. I'm only allowed to mention your accomplishments. Any criticism,factually correct or not is "racist".

The Poster Formerly Known As Ellison
"I am African American, live in Urban America, and have never experienced that statement of a low priority. I went to Howard U (Over 7000 Students of African Descent) somewhat recently and never experienced that. Even in high school (400 African American), I never experienced that. So what do you say now?
Is this news to you?"

First of all, you are not African-American. You are either African (a citizen of an African nation) or you are an American (a citizen of USA).

You sound much like another frequent TH poster of African descent, Ayana, who constantly reminds us of her academic accomplishments, and that not all blacks are lazy. I will tell you what I and everyone else on TH told her. No one is saying all blacks are stupid or lazy. But, there are enough black people who do fall into that category to merit a discussion as to why. Ayana doesn’t want to listen. She just goes off on her hysterical rage, screaming “See, I am not stupid. I am not lazy. I have a PhD. And on, and on.”

I don’t doubt there many bright blacks in our universities as yourself. But, whether you like to hear it or not, you are the minority in the black community. I lived my entire life through my high school years in the black ghettos of Georgia. I went to school with them. I played sports with them. I partied with them. And, now I live Memphis in an apartment building that is 95% black. It might change and I hope it does, but the fact remains that the majority of black families do not emphasize education to the extent that is necessary to escape poverty, such as you have done.

Jeffrey's missed point
No argument here with Jeffrey's bottom line -- DC schools are probably the worst (depending on how Detroit's race to the bottom is going on any given day) in the country. In fairness though, I must note that all his comparative figures are with states, rather than cities. As much as DC residents like to pretend they are a quasi-state, DC is still just a big, crime-ridden poorly-educated city, and should be compared to other large cities with wretched public education systems.

I also wish Jeffrey had mentioned that few if any council members' children even attend public schools in the District. According to information provided by Rep. Dan Burton in 2004, only one DC council member was known to have a child in the public school system at the time. This should tell you all you need to know about how a system is doing when the people in charge of running the system won't even send their kids there.


$$$$ for an education
It is true, you do need money to run the school systems and educate these students with a sound curriculum. Libs believe the more money the better education. False!! I have taught elementary for 20 years. I was teaching in a highly diverse population. The desire and the success in learning depends not on the almighty buck, but parent participation in their child's learning, deticated teachers, a viable curriculum,an environment condusive to learning, and materials for every student. I love teaching. I had grass growing between the floor boards in my classroom. Occassionly with a four legged creature as a visitor. Oh, the room was a portable and had been condemmed, but still in use. I often didn't have parental particiaption or cooperation. I spent at least $1,000 within a school year for bulletin board materials, art supplies etc.. One thing, we always had enough texts., Our principal would purchase anything we needed for
Science and Math. We were a Magnet School in these subjects and we were also a neighborhood school. Money was poured into our school to draw students with a desire for Science and Math. These parents paticipated in their child's education. The same money was spent on all the students, yet the neighborhood kids scored low on tests where the other students scored high. They all had the same opportunities at school, but from home. I wouln't have changed this career experience for anything else. The school system does need fixen, but with the love and guidence of teachers we shall prevail dispite waste, liberalism and political correctness.

Judi
You spell so atrociously and you're a teacher????? Egad!!

The Local Power Elites
The situation with the DC public school system, while extreme in its uniformly abysmal results, is generally reflective of the way all big-city school systems are run. That is to say, they are run by a bunch of power-grabbing meddling liberal elites who don’t even deign to send their own children to the schools they lord their power over.

In other, nonliberal, organizational endeavors, it is considered an axiom of leadership that those at the top (i.e. the ones calling the shots) share in the fate of those they would lead. This is why, when sports teams perennially lose, the manager gets fired; when military units surrender, their officers go into captivity with them, even when they have the opportunities to escape that are unavailable to the grunts; and why CEOs get the can when directed subordinates drive profitability down. This of course, would be news to the typical big-city school board or council member. As far as they are concerned, they are doing “the little people” a favor by giving them the benefit of their arms length, abstractly-conjured, social-engineering wisdom.

Years ago, when I was employed in commercial banking, I had recommended a borrower for a sizeable loan to purchase a profitable going concern. My boss overturned my recommendation in spite of the solid financials and (to me anyway) the “can’t-miss’ prospects for success. His reason for turning him down? The borrower would not be putting any of his own money into the venture. His rationale was that if the man in charge was not willing to invest himself in the enterprise, then why should anyone else?

If public school systems are ever going to be held to account, then the people who control the system have to be held accountable, and the first step in holding them accountable is to require them to “invest” in their own endeavors by sending their own children to the schools they would otherwise run for “everyone else”.

Judi
"The desire and the success in learning depends not on the almighty buck, but parent participation in their child's learning, deticated teachers, a viable curriculum,an environment condusive to learning, and materials for every student."

Judi, Judi Judi (No, I am not Goober), you speak the plain truth. For that, you are no longer welcome at the NEA meetings.

The school building in my neighborhood was over a hundred years old. But, we had what we needed for a good education. We had excellent teachers, and the textbooks were the best. However, none of that would matter if the parents didn’t care. You mentioned parent participation. Most parents are not sure what that means. It is not taking them to soccer practice. It is not going to PTA meetings, although that shows parental involvement. And, it is not doing their homework for them. It is laying down the law at home. After dinner every night, my parents marched our butts into the bedroom. No TV. No computers. We hit the books until 11:00 and get our clothes ready for the next school day. Sounds like a nerdy life, but we still managed to find time to engage in some team sport activity.

Bad Arithmatic
Me thinks that Terence Jeffrey could use a remedial arthmatic course. 662 + 302 = 964 not the 994 as stated in the article. I would also like to know what the additional $10,453 per student the district was spent on!

Parents RESPONSIBILITIES
This is what happens to a city who elects CRACKHEADS. Just think of the mentallity of the parents of these poor school kids. If I were a child of someone who elected a known CRACKHEAD not once but twice I think I would be embarrassed
for my parents. But this is the attitude of the people who believe in BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS for and excuse to help the minority. Im married to and ASIAN woman and all of my children graduated from college. Thanks to my wife and her beliefs. Thay do not have BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS in ASIA for their people like we do. They believe that a person should be held responsible foe their own acts, not the GOVERNMENT.

Sad Part
Is that a lot of these kids are actually doing much much worse than what we are shown. Many get passed just to pass them along and get them out of the system. So those numbers of kids passing in school should really be much much lower, especially in the troubled urban schools.

Bman
"FREE CONCERTS DURING THE SUMMER...MARION BARRY FOR PRESIDENT!!!"

The mayor is a big part of the problem in inner cities. The black community, which comprises the majority in most cities, continues to re-elect these incompetent, corrupt, race-baiting mayors, e.g. Ray Nagin, Marion Barry, Willie Herenton. It’s the same old story. A black mayor does absolutely nothing to lift a city. Come election time, the mayor uses terms like KKK to stir up the black voters. The failures of the mayor are overlooked and he wins by a landslide. It is happening in every major city.

where's the missing money
Within the article, if you add all the expenses, you come up with $9,288 in total. That taken from the $15,414 leaves $6,126 unaccounted for. Can someone say AUDIT!

Squandered opportunities
The DC public school system is what you get when you insist on blaming the lack of achievement on money and racism, instead of focusing on the real problems.

Even when the powers that be in liberal, entitlement-mentality, victimization-mindset urban areas are given complete control over the educational system and even more money than is spent in high-achieving suburban systems, the failures become even more pronounced. Why is that?

Unfortunately, for the legions of failure-doomed kids who are forced to attend these hellholes, the answers are tough. Too tough apparently, for the reality challenged leftists who will grasp at any wild explanation to paper over their own failures, rather than to re-examine any of their cherished core assumptions.

As the saying goes, insanity is doing the same things over and over the same way, but expecting different results. Perhaps even crazier is that these failures are allowed to continue in positions of power. It is the ultimate form of abjection and exploitation that the victims of this malfeasance are so stunted by the system that ruined them that most lack the capacity to rid themselves of their tormenters.

Waste!!!
Public schools have been a waste of money for years. They are find if you want to make liberals that don't know how to think out of your kids. In that case public schools work just fine.

The Truth About Graduation Rates
This will explain why, you can not use census numbers to accurately portray the graduation rates for any race, Blacks, Whites, or Hispanics! The census compiles their numbers from the CCD which is highly flawed! The source for this info is http://www.irs.princeton.edu/PDII/pdiimemov5.pdf

For decades, the high school dropout rate has been computed using the Current Population Survey (CPS). Recently a series of papers were published claiming that the CPS-based measures greatly understate the true dropout rate, especially for Blacks and Hispanics.

These claims are based on analyses of administrative data on diplomas awarded that are compiled in the Common Core of Data (CCD). The CCD collects enrollment (by grade and race) and diploma (by race) counts annually from every public school in the U.S.

A high school completion series constructed from the CCD yields a remarkably different picture of both the level and trend of high school completion than does a CPS-based series. These will differ if people earn diplomas by non-standard routes (i.e. adult education) or if 9th grade enrollment differs systematically from the age-specific population.

While overall there is an 16 percentage point difference between the two measures of
high school graduation rates, we see that the gap is largest for African Americans where the
CPS-based measure suggests a graduation rate of 79% while the CCD-based measure suggests it
may be as low as 50%. Truer graduation rates :White-80% Black-55% Hispanic-50%

This figure highlights two important sources of differences. First, constructed from 25 year olds are much higher than those constructed from 20 year olds............ Additionally, Graduates of private high schools are counted in the CPS, but never in the CCD. People who end up in prison or in the military are counted in the CCD, but are not surveyed by the CPS while institutionalized or in the service.

Correction for my previous post!
I made a mistake! :-(
After major editing due to the tiny 2000 character limit on posts, I made a mistake on the first paragraph of my post! It states “.......................compiles their numbers from the CCD” and it should have said
..........................compiles their numbers from the CPS”
Sorry for the mistake, but if you read the entire post you will see that I messed up!

Reply to Lilly GI BILL
"I remember learning in a college Sociology course that the GI Bill changed the entire social makeup of the United States by vastly expanding our middle class. And many, many individuals greatly increased their lifetime earnings via the GI Bill."

This is very true. The GI Bill is probably the most successful goverment program in history. But when you look at the GI Bill (or use it like I did) you see it is the exact opposite of public education. The GI Bill can be used at any school basically (public, private, religious,trade) and gives the funds directly to the individual who uses it where, when, and for what they as an individual want. The exact opposite of what these kids in DC get.

So while the rich elitest Democrats keep waiting for their next campagin checks from the teachers unions, these children will be waiting for textbooks. But said Democrats will never know it cause none of their kids go to public school.

different collection of people
In the 1960s and 1970s I had computer systems installed at California Institute of Technology, and at the University of California, among other places, and visited many other college campuses. I found the students to be so much different than I remembered during the very few months I spent at a University 30 years earlier.

Then it dawned on me, I went to school with bomber pilots, tail gunners, tank drivers, prisoners of war, etc., military veterans from WW II, attending college under the GI Bill. We were a very different collection of people.

I see the same...

My Detroit schools are crumbling... leaking roofs, no working toilets or drinking fountains, on-off heating, no air-conditioning, broken doors, faulty fire-systems, no working computers, and Rats-a-plenty.
The new High school needs a full-time engineer, to oversee construction defect repairs.

Union teachers earn $80,000 and up, with massive pensions and lifetime benefits.

Of course, violence against teachers by "Parents" and students is tops in the nation. Many teachers fear for their safety going to work, and while in the classroom.

It is absolute insanity.

D.C. Schools
Also check out the article in today's NY Times on graduation rates. I'm an enrolled, moderate Democrat with a wife who is a teacher. We live in an affluent suburb with a supposedly good public school system. We are both so disgusted with the public school monopoly and the stranglehold of administrators and teachers unions. I believe in substantial public funding of education. Just don't tell me that my tax dollars have to go to the public schools. Give me every damn dollar spent on my kids and let me send them to any accredited school I please. If that were done -- fully-funded vouchers -- education in this country would improve by leaps and bounds. Also, you present that choice to every minority parent whose kids are trapped in an underperforming school district and I guarantee that 95% of them will opt for the voucher. Breaking the back of the P.S. monopoly is the next Brown v. Board of Ed.

Big Dogg
Like Ayana, your insecurity is getting the best of you. "Stupid" was a poor choice of words. What I meant was ignorance. There is a big difference between stupid and ignorance. Stupid is a description of a person's mental aptitude, which is a genetic trait. Ignorance is a result of the lack of education. I apologize. I was attempting to paraphrase TH poster Ayana, who always used that word in her demonstration of what whitle people think of black people. In her hysteria, I remember her saying "We are not stupid. We are not all lazy." That's how that word got into the conversation. If you read my post again, I said "No one is saying all blacks are stupid or lazy." That was a direct response to what Ayana said.

Having said that, I stand by my point. Education is the ticket out of the ghetto. The majority of black families do not emphasize education to the extent that is necessary to escape poverty. I have witnessed it up close first hand. Maybe it's because the parents themselves are not well educated, so they don't understand the importance of education. The well-educated black parents usually pass on to their children that message.

Robert
You have no standing to call me a racist. I have not forgotten you saying Justice Thomas, Secretary Rice and Secretary Powell all got to their position in life because of the color of their skin, and not by their abilities. If you like, I can go back to last week and retrieve that quote.

Big Dogg
"You get it hound dog? The weight of the US Government - and many local governments, kept for years a system in place that allowed racists like you to ALWAYS be ahead of the smartest, brightest or hardest working of the blacks"

And, it's time for blacks to stop blaming the government and evil white folks for black failures. The argument doesn't hold water anymore. Colleges go out of their way to get black students.

Ellison
I do not have a lot of time. I am a contractor, travel the 50 states, and put in 40 to 70 hours a week because I get paid by the hour. You are wrong that I have notd dealt with well educated African Americans. As I said, I am now building a plant in Memphis and sharing an apartment building with 95% blacks. These are blacks who "made it". They are well-educated. Their children are pushed to study. And, yes, they all like playing with my dogs. I want to point out that is not a racist statement, since everyone loves to throw out that word. Black children are brought up fearing dogs. Just yesterday, I was having dinner with my black neighbors at a restaurant. This black lady sitting next to us was trying to get her little girl to behave, and she told the big dog outside will get you if you don't sit down.

No one is trying to demean blacks. Just pointing out my observations and what is possible. And, I think I am on target. Sometimes, the truth hurts.

Robert
I know that's what you meant. But, I was just trying to point out how words can be taken out of context and you are automatically branded a racist.

Ellison
"What is up with you and this Ayana?"

She was a memorable TH poster. Her ranting was even an embarrassment for the other black posters, until one asked her to please leave. It was her words that me in trouble with Big Dogg.

Ellison
"So ignorant. So conservative. So sad."

The blacks I lived with have earned their college degree through hard work, and subsequently became conservatives and vote Republican. They are far from ignorant. They would take offense to your ignorant statement. You need to stop your racist, stereotyping.

You cant win
I's funny, first they argue that the graduation rates are the same, then when they are proved wrong it's the racists fault that they fail! And before anyone calls me a racist both sides of my family have Native American heritage who was treated worse than any other group in this country! They were killed and moved out as fast as possible and they are still worse off than any other group in this country!

One of my favorite teachers in college was African-American, and I respected and admired him more than any of my Caucasian (They are not white anymore than you are black) teachers! And it was his opinion that indeed many African-American students did have a negative attitude towards education! They would accuse an African-American student who did great in college that they were selling out to “whitey”! Not that they were doing the right things!

You can't make these liberals believe in personal responsibility and it is a waste of time and energy trying so give it up Hound Dog! They well always find something or someone else to blame and it doesn't matter what you say!

Ellison
"...when someone says there is no racism, I get so angry because I have experienced racism in my life."

It makes me angry when every time something doesn't go their way, it is because of racism.

I was pull over two weeks ago driving through Mississippi by a cop. My crime was switching lanes without signaling. I took the ticket and paid it without a second thought. When I told a black worker at the office, he said he got the same thing a couple of years ago. Then, he said "It is racial profiling."

No one is saying racism and racial profiling doesn't exist, but you can't let it run your life. You brush it off and move on. The more you complain about it, the less people respect you.

The real problem
What you need to realize is that it isn't a “black” and “white” thing now as much as it is a “rich” versus “poor” thing!

And until you realize that “our” government is supporting this race hatred, because it empowers them to control you and takes the spotlight off of the real problems in this country!

That is the corporations and millionaires (which most of congress is) doesn't want us to get together as one group because that would make us more powerful them they are!

As long as we keep up the hate amongst ourselves we will never be able to change the real problem which is “our” government!

Afraid not!
You have no idea what I think and it is arrogant of you to think you do!

Afraid not!
And I hold nothing dear except for my family..............

Judi
"The desire and the success in learning depends not on the almighty buck, but parent participation in their child's learning, deticated teachers, a viable curriculum,an environment condusive to learning, and materials for every student."

Although those are all important factors, I'm curious as to why you omitted any attributes of individual students. Do not students deserve a significant portion of the credit for their success, and conversely a significant portion of blame for their failure? I've known too many kids with the exact same parents and schools, but widely different achievements compared to their siblings, to believe otherwise.

do not reflect what you think, they are
Robert -
You respond so slow it is hard to even communicate with you! What I have written here is indeed what I believe, but how is “Dragonborn Come to any of the following HBCUS. Promise you that your experience will shock everything you hold dear. “ connected to anything that I have written here?

I figured if he wasn't going to comment upon what I have written than he must be making assumptions on other things that I believe! And as far as my other beliefs neither you nor he has any comprehension of my beliefs! If you want to comment on what I have written fine, but to make assumptions on your own is arrogant and asinine!

To not comment upon what I have written here and to make assumptions is the tactic liberals take when they can not think of what to say about posted comments! They would rather attack another person than their own beliefs as you both have shown here!

The Real Problem
This is what I believe, if you do not have a comment about that then do not bother directed your posts towards me, because I will not bother answering you again!

What you need to realize is that it isn't a “black” and “white” thing now as much as it is a “rich” versus “poor” thing!

And until you realize that “our” government is supporting this race hatred, because it empowers them to control you and takes the spotlight off of the real problems in this country!

That is the corporations and millionaires (which most of congress is) doesn't want us to get together as one group because that would make us more powerful them they are!

As long as we keep up the hate amongst ourselves we will never be able to change the real problem which is “our” government!

Race
My first comment on this article was referring to the success of ASIANS and the FAILURE of BLACKS in education (generally)...

Why did I do this????

1. Both are minorities.
2. If discrimination is a factor (past or present) in education or economic success it should affect both minorities equally.
3. If one group say ASIANS is more successful does that mean that the White man likes them more than Blacks? Or more than himself as they do better as a group than Whites?
4. Why do inner city conveince stores also have a high % of ASIAN owners? This does not require a high education and these stores are located in the middle of high BLACK populations? (they also charge exorbitant $'s for product, for high risk).
5. Why does the NAACP or any other "civil rights" organization not have cases of ASIAN discrimination?
6. Are ASIANS too cute to discriminate against but thats not the case with BLACKS? (they got ahead somehow and it's not hard work dammit)
7. Is question #6 a racist question?
8. Is the fact that ASIANS are more successful than BLACKS, WHITES, HISPANICS, ETC... Mean we are not allowed to discuss this success? (it does not help RACE BASED programs)
9. Why is the MATH and ENGINEERING DEPTs. of my local college so dominated both teachers and students with ASIANS? (please go see at your local college)
10. Why do the folks that argue that discrimination matters ignore the success of the ASIAN minority?
11. Are ASIANS genetically geared for education, vs. Basketball? Is this also a racist question?
12. Where are the ASIANS, Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson? And don't they realize they can get some free stuff if they only had thier OWN leaders that followed this example?

Interesting ,,,

Asian education success
In reading the comments I notice inaccurate information, prejudiced statements, bias, pertsonal attacks, name calling ("Racist" is a common one), mentioning other topics, and occasional correct factual (redundant!) information. Just a typical discussion!

So, my 2 cents worth. Asian Success in the USA is about Family Organization, Family Support, and (Asian) Community Values. Most Asian families have both father and mother who sacrifice for their children and have high educational and occupational expectations for their children. So the children feel the need to repay their parents by studying and working hard to become successful in American society.
They do not expect the Govt to assist them very much but will use any opportunity that they see. The most important opportunity is Education: look at the percentages of Asians, and their graduation rates, in the major universities.
Interestingly, Asians generally are opposed to Affirmative Action educational programs because they feel it limits them in entering good universities.
And the result is that in 2 generations they move from immigrants to university-educated professionals.
So the Simple Answer is FAMILY.

On what basis do I state the above? Married an Asian woman, have mixed children, and follow what is going on.

So I am not interested in PC verbiage and rubbish.

valhalla
I have spent more than 20 years in and around the Asian community your post is spot on.

I also raised the issue of the importance of family in the success of our children's education...and was quickly called many names ("gutless, ignorant, pathetic, and lonely") by one of our most confused and ignorant liberal regulars.

This "man" and the rest of his liberal brethern are the biggest (and possibly 'the only') cause of our public education failures.

Ellison
Grab a handkerchief and stop your crying. Go to the race card much? You couldn't have proved my point any better. I noticed you don't dispute my facts and,like I said before, if I use factual information to back up my point, and you have no answer, you just call me a racist. You've been trained so well!
Here are a couple of more points that should make you cry some more.
1) You and I apply for a college. You would get in before me because you're black.
2) Financial aid would go to you before me because you're black.
3) You and I applt for a job. You would get hired before me because you're black.
4) We both screw up on the job. I get fired you won't, because you would sue claiming race discrimination.
You see, this country has bent over backwards to try to make amends for past indiscretions and you need to stop crying about a past that I had nothing to do with.
Notice I didn't call you African-American. I will if you were born in Africa and now live in America. If not, can you please tell me why you need a title that shows where your ancestors came from? Why don't you address me as a European- American. Better yet, why don't you try to become an American, like everyone else.

Family Values
Valhalla, you are absolutly correct. Im married to an Asian woman to and I can tell you one thing that means more to them than anything
FAMILY VALUES not BIG GOVERNMENT like we give our minorities here in America. I thank God that I married an Asian woman because her values sure helped in my Children graduating from College.
I never used any BIG GOVERNMENT programs to put my kids thru College. That is whats wrong with America today, we always try to give these BIG GOVERNMENT programms to people because we feel sorry for them. If they dont care what happens to their children why should BIG GTOVERNMENT care? The government is not helping your children when they are taking them awayfrom you because you are not literate ehnough to help your own. I blame the parents of these kids bacause anyone who would elect, then relected a
KNOWN CRACKHEAD as Mayor should be held responsible for how their city is ran not BIG GOVERNMENT.

Just another pork project
Why don’t we stop playing games and call the public school system what it really is, a glorified day care system. The rest is just another pork project to enrich the NEA and local contractors.

Ellison
“As a African American, I see myself in those who have been left behind.”

You left yourself behind. Forty years of affirmative action. How many more do you want? How about another forty? When a person is accepted to any university with test scores that are below the average student or if a job is reserved specifically for your skin color, then you should not complain. Not saying that’s how you got in.

”the use of "black", may need to rethink that term. Black is a color. I have never seen anyone who is the color black.”

______need to make up their minds what they want to be called. I lose track. First, Negro was no longer acceptable. Because whites called themselves white, you wanted to be called black. Now, black is not acceptable. I use the word black because a large percentage of the _______ community continues to use that word. These word games are total nonsense. Have you noticed whites are not white. Asians are not yellow. Indians are not red? But, they don’t make a big deal of it. Maybe because they have more self-confidence and don’t to rely on labels to boost their self-esteem.

I am getting tired of this scenario. Every column on issues that concerned the ______ community becomes a discussion on racism. This column was about DC’s failed school system, despite huge sums of money spent to improve it. There must be good reasons. We try to explain it, whether it’s family structure, lack of emphasis on education by the family or other reasons. But, the _____ posters will have none of it. To you, it is racism, plain and simple. Frankly, the ______ community just need to ignore what others think of them. Like a good running back, you will face all sorts of obstacles in front of you on every play. But, you maneuver around the obstacles, make the best use of the blockers (affirmative action) and go for the end zone. Or, you can give up and run out of bounds.

Robert
“you attribute your friends loyalty to the GOP as being because they got their degree through "hard work" and that made them a Republican?”

That’s not what I said. They see the government as the problem. They want to keep what they earn. They get along fine with Republicans and don’t see themselves as Uncle Toms.

blacksd and hispanics
comments from two earlier posters alude to two problems confronting these two communities. If the culture doesn;t emphasize the value of education and if the culture embraces socialism as the cure for their ills, the net result is disaster. But it must be particularly galling those who find success in minority communties that others revel in their failures while looking for govt to throw them a lifeline. The problem is getting people to understand they can and must take responsibility and not rely govt handouts. But how do yhou get people to take reponsibility

racist
Over several years of posting some of my thoughts on various boards, I have been called many names by liberals (or "progressives", as current usage dictates). One common slur used to attempt to frighten me to shut up is "Racist"!

Yet often the person(s) using that term lack the diversity and multi-ethnicity of my extended family: white, black, Asian, Native American, and Hispanic. Yep, my close relatives have mixed children from the 5 major groups in US society.

Accordingly, it is quite amusing to read comments of white liberals (progressives) who are quick to label other whites as "racists" especially when subsequently the "labelees" reveal the multi-ethnicity of their spouses and children. Rarely do the white "labelers" mention that indeed they too have married minority spouses and have mixed children. {Lilly, does that include you?]

So who really are the "Racists" in this type of situation: the "progressives" who unthinkingly spout PC/liberal jargon or the "racially tagged" labelees?

If the liberals/progressives are really not Racists, at least they seem to be Hypocrites (saying one thing but doing another - supporting Multi-ethnicity in words but NOT in their actions).

So do Liberals really have any Guts (to marry minorities) or are they just full of hot air in that space between their ears?

NOTE: the terms "labelers" and "labelees" are b deliberately used in a sarcastic manner to emphasize the absurdity of some of the words used in discussions like this. [See the PC Dictionary for a whole host of PC words.]



Bravo People
I am glad to see so many people who want to talk about the truth instead of wanting to personally attack someone! But as I said they don't want to hear the truth and they never will.............. not as long as the government is there to take their side.

Look what the CAIR is doing to Americans who want to protect their country with the help and support of “our” government! When everyone realizes the government is the problem the fight will be ¾ won!

clarification
I did not mean to imply that Lilly has labeled posters as Racists but rather wonder whether as a Liberal she has a spouse from a minority group.

valhalla
as lilly has told us from previous posts. She is an elderly hippie who in her isolation has difficulty listening to rush whom she frequently critisizes. Is unable to drive as they had to give up their car. I guess these old hippies never realized the govt wouldn't give them a comfy and free retirement that provided for all their needs. She claims to be a former school teacher who undoubtedly taught that personal responsibility is for chumps, as the govt will always take care of you. She is a poster child for the effects of bad drugs, communal sex and hatred of capitolism

Asian Success
As soon as the ASIAN success model is rolled out,,, THE LIBS RUN AWAY...

I would too if i was them,,, just think of trying to justify RACE BASED PROGRAMS for one minority (blacks) when another minority (asians) is doing better than the suppossed oppressors (whites)......

HOW GOOD IS THAT..

Something like this (should) be enough to bring you back to reality... EHHH
ROBERT, LILLY, ELLISON, ANYBODY???

You guys need to spend some time alone in front of the mirror...
Call it meditation if you like...

any ethnic group
that would elect a CONVICTED crackhead for mayor TWICE, deserves everything it gets. D.C. and corruption go hand in hand. You get the government you deserve. Racism indeed!

my "racist" comment

Note that no white Liberal/Progressive has so far responded to my challenge of identifying the multi-ethnicity of their spouses and/or children. Surely there must be some white Liberals who have married non-whites! How about Robert?

D.C. Education
Maybe if the district had "grade" stamps, ala food stamps, someone might use them. The point is that many people in this day and age, if the product isn't given to them, won't take advantage of it. So maybe what needs to be done is to convince people education is a form of entitlement (for which they don't have to work, of course) that they can use for more entitlements in the future.

re" my "racist" comment
It is indeed interesting that over 2 weeks later no white liberal has identified her/himself as being in a racially or ethnically mixed marriage with mixed children.

Is this simply another case of hypocrisy: advocating multi-ethnicity for other people while clinging to homogeneous marriages for oneselves?

What about children's education? How many liberals who are opposed to charter schools, vouchers, and home schooling send their children to good/elite private schools rather than local public schools?

Do liberals take advantage of the economic opportunity to send their children to better schools yet attempt to deny that same right to others with less economic resources?

Are these examples more evidence of Janus-faced liberals?
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