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Wednesday, November 29, 2006
Terry Jeffrey :: Townhall.com Columnist
Bad apples and public schools
by Terry Jeffrey
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Suppose there were a law that forced you to pay a government agency for apples you were supposed to feed your children.

The government didn't care if you grew your own apples or if your neighbor grew apples you liked better than the government's brand -- the law compelled you to pay for the state's product whether you wanted it for your children or not.

Now, suppose many people who actually fed their children public apples discovered something wrong with them. Some apples were bitter, others mushy and others rotten to the core.

When they complained to the public-apple agencies, agency bureaucrats and their union would say: "Excuse me, the bad apples are not our fault. You need to give us more money so we can build better apple storage facilities, and so we can pay better wages to apple handlers."

So the government forced everybody to pay more for its apples.

Now, the public-apple agencies built beautiful new apple storage facilities. They paid their apple handlers handsomely. Still, a disturbing number of apples remained bitter, mushy or rotten to the core.

In the face of new complaints, the bureaucrats and their union declared, "We need a federal Department of Apples."

Conservatives fruitlessly argued that the Constitution does not authorize a federal Department of Apples. Congress created one anyway. The new DOA spent vast sums paying its own bureaucrats and subsidizing local government apple agencies. Still, many public apples remained bitter, mushy or rotten to the core.

A "compassionate conservative" -- N.B. a "big government conservative" -- was elected president. He advocated giving even more federal aid to local public-apple agencies in exchange for a federal "apple accountability" program. Under the program, states were required to test their apples every year, with the goal that after 13 years every public apple would be good enough to eat.

After several years, the tests showed almost no improvement in public apples. Apple agency bureaucrats and their union representatives complained that the apple-accountability standards were unrealistic. So the secretary of apples relaxed the standards, and the compassionate conservative president called on Congress to reauthorize the program.

The public apple in this parable, of course, is public education -- which is indeed rotten in many places.

If there is one thing the Department of Education does well, it is collect statistics about schools. According to its National Center for Education Statistics, Americans in recent decades paid for a massive increase in spending on government schools. Between the 1970 and 2002 school years, average per-pupil spending in public elementary and secondary schools rose 111 percent, from $4,170 (in constant 2001-2002 dollars) to $8,802.

From just 1990 to 2003, average per-pupil spending increased 25 percent, from $7,692 (in constant 2003-2004 dollars) to 9,644.

This big run-up in spending did not cause a big run-up in student performance.

Since the early 1990s, NCES has periodically administered National Assessment of Educational Progress tests to a sampling of elementary school students. The tests are graded on a scale of zero to 500, and students are anonymously assigned an achievement level of "below basic," "basic," "proficient" or "advanced." "Basic" means the student had only a "partial mastery" of the subject appropriate for the grade level.

NAEP reading scores for eighth-grade public school students remained essentially static between 1998 and 2005. In 1998, eighth-graders averaged a score of 261 out of 500 in reading. In 2005, they averaged 260. Only 29 percent were rated grade-level "proficient" or better.

In other words, 71 percent rated less than proficient in reading.

Math results were a little better. Between 1990 and 2005, the average eighth-grade score rose from 262 to 278. Again, only 29 percent were rated grade-level proficient or better.

In other words, 71 percent rated less than proficient in math.

Private schools did better. The 2005 NAEP tests rated students in Catholic and Lutheran schools. Forty-nine percent of eighth-graders in both rated "proficient" or better in reading. Forty-four percent of eighth-graders in Lutheran schools, and 40 percent in Catholic schools, rated "proficient" or better in math.

Increasing per pupil spending by another 111 percent -- whether it is done by compassionate conservatives in Washington, D.C., or plain old liberals in your home state -- will not fix public schools.

It's time to give all American parents vouchers equal to the per-pupil spending in local government schools. Then parents can decide whether the government schools deserve their children -- or whether they will try the apples elsewhere, thank you.

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school choice
I agree with the writer. The university system is in the same boat. I've been saying this for years and everyone I know just think I'm nuts.

The reality is that this is the most serious problem this country faces. Think about it when you buy your burger and without a computer the kid at the register can't make change.

How will we develop kids with brains to be the next generation of inventors and go-getters?

school choice
All it takes is a comparison of my grandson in a private school, a family I am close to that home schools, and the public schools where I am a substitute teacher to see that we have a terrible problem. There are some excellent public school teachers but the bureaucracy under which they labor undermines their common sense.

bad apple tree?
I am a conservative, to the right of Jerry Falwell, and a public-school teacher.

For thirty-five years, I have listened to the bashing of public education. Whether you like it or not, public education has been a cornerstone of our republic.

I wonder if the lazy press ever makes a genuine effort to analyze the real problems of the system. Start with special education, which is the bane of public schools. Next, look at the courts which hamstring discipline. Then, the lost art of parenting. Space prevents futher listing.

Excuses? Perhaps, but real problems with which no other business must deal. Private schools expel miscreants; public schools, in many cases, cannot. Private schools cherry-pick their students. Statistics are easily skewed to say whatever one chooses.

Many public-school teachers are conservative Republicans, not robots of the NEA or other teacher associations. Perhaps it is time for conservatives to support education rather than bash it.

large Scott
Come on. The prescription here is to allow market forces to work. When they do, both the private AND public schools improve. Why? Because the public schools can no longer just go on making excuses. They have to fix the problems or loose all their empires. I don't think ANYONE is saying that this is the teacher's fault. It is the bureaucracy that is at fauld. And it is their ox that will be gored if the school has to close.

Public schools
The earliest public schools in America taught the children what the parents wanted. The public schools nowadays dictate to the parents what will be taught. Until parents take back control of the education process, things will only get worse. Private schools and homeschooling are two ways that parents have done that.

I'd love to receive the $9000+ spent per pupil by the government to supplement my expenses in homeschooling my kids. Heck, It'd be great just to get back my property tax.

Let that $9000+ figure sink in a minute or two. Public education has become a bad deal for America and Americans. $9000+ per student per year. Kindergarten through 12th grade comes to over $127,000. Who's happy with this besides the NEA? Apparently, we are too, or else we would fix the problem.

Bad Apples

.....Mr. Jeffrey...

.....Everyone knows that Jimmy Carter created the Dept of Education as a payoff to the teachers unions that supported his campaign...

.....my question is...if there is no Constitutional right for this Dept. to exist...why hasn't it been challenged in Court?...

..... Bush had majorities in both houses but instead of trying to eliminate this bad apple...he expanded it...I could understand the Democrats fighting to save it...but what excuse do the Republicans (the party of smaller government) have?....

.....is it any wonder that their conservative base abandoned them?.....COLOSSUS

Irrelevant...
The author repeats, a bit diffusely, the standard analysis of public school education, viz, it comes apart in middle school and gets nowhere in high school.

Great Scot tells us why, viz, mission creep. Kids who used to either be ignored or be sent to special state schools for the retarded have to be coped with by public schools. So do kids who used to be given the choice, "Army, Navy or Reform School," by judges.

Just down the road from where I live we have a predominately Hispanic town named Salinas. The public school system there has to run a complete set of classes for high school students inside the county jail.

With distractions like these it is little wonder that public schools can't focus on their old primary mission of education. Mind, crack-brained teachers and administrators, products of our basically useless university "education" degree mills, don't help much, either.

There is a much bigger problem with the core curriculum, though. Simply stated, our syllabus is worthless. It is loaded with crap that is either well past its "best before" date or totally irrelevant.

We spend six years teaching kids hand algorithms for doing math operations that anyone with a $2 calculator can do faster and more accurately. Is that a good use of education time and money? NO! Whenever I mention this example I hear parents and teachers start whining things like... "it helps you learn how to think" and "it teaches mental discipline". NONSENSE, PROVE IT! We know from the test results that what it mostly does is turn kids' minds to slag.

Our syllabus is fraught with useless thinking like that. It's defended by teachers and parents who went through that trial by fire and aren't bright enough to decide that their kids deserve better.

Is you kid a bit slow with reading? Why aren't you using electronic documents and text-to-speech software. It comes with Word, for crying in your beer.

Is algebra giving your kids fits? Why haven't you spend the price of a family meal at McD's on an algebra engine like Scientific Notebook or Mathematica?

Look at the social studies stream. Your kids learn more about governance and societies with a few hundred hours doing Sim City than they will in twelve years of "social studies".

Art? Why aren't they using free software like Art of Illusion for 3D modeling? Kids who don't have the fine motor control to run a paint brush can excel at that.

Look at your literature stream. The parts that haven't been made politically correct with women and minority authors who live off the textbook royalties but couldn't survive twenty minutes in the real literature scene. The rest of the stream is "ageless literature" which, when you get down to it, was written by a bunch of spoiled rich kids like Byron and the Brownings who lived off of their estates and rents and wandered around in Italy during the 19th century being wastrels or drug addicts or both. The twentieth century? You've got your "lost generation" who basically drowned their guilt in alcohol. Real role models all of those. :-S

We could put together a much better education system if we weren't so lazy and stupid.

Private schools
I couldn't afford it and went deeper into debt for it, but we sent our kid to a private school. For 11 years. With no vouchers.

Why, you ask? Because the first year I sent her a public school, I ran into an unbending, unyielding wall of resistance to any suggestions for improvement. From the teachers to the school board.

I didn't insist on a scriptural education, but neither did I want a radical liberal agenda imposed on my 1st grader. No Bibles allowed, but its okay for "Heather Has Two Mommies" to be a part of the curriculum…?

And most interesting... When we put her in the private school, my taxes didn't go down. The answer: “Well, your money won't go to the school system if your child doesn't occupy a seat. BUT, they still get money from somewhere. Sounds awfully like a shell game to me.

I graduated from the Denver public school system, where my teachers taught subjects and it was pass or fail. Not ‘Political Correctness’ and feel-goodism. At that time, I hadn’t yet embraced Christianity, but I felt totally comfortable with Christ being taught as an historical figure and from that, I could compare him to Mohammed and Buddha, and further get the whole picture of mankind’s path.

Summation: I would be ecstatic and lend full support if the public education system would merely teach reading, writing and arithmetic. Unfortunately, they have become a wing of the liberal NEA-based establishment and intend to indoctrinate this generation to follow their agenda.

Holy Bad Analogies Batman!
It is amazing how so many people who are not in education seem to think they have the solution to the "problem." I will be blogging for the next week on the topic but in short - try looking at society first before blaming the public school system. Too many parents have abdicated any responsibility for disciplining their children AND reinforcing the concept of education.

You could give every parent a voucher tomorrow and you would see little improvement in the performance of America's school children. Vouchers do not solve the problems of apathy and blame everyone else that have infected the American society.

my ultra-simplistic beginning solution
1) turn off the tv

2) no video games

3) quiet time

4) teach kids how to read - how many books could be bought for the price of one Play Station 3? Remember the stories on TV and in the paper recently about people (grownups?) sitting in line for days on end just to get the latest edition of whatever it is? That is sad. That is pathetic, and it's also kind of scary. If the most frequently read book in your house is TV guide you have no one to blame but yourself.


reform will only come if it starts in the home. If a parent develops a habit of leaving the kids in front of the tube or playing video games in order to get them out of their hair or for whatever reason - when the kids get to school they will probably not have a clue about reading. And if they can't read how can they can be taught? Teachers can only work with the material they are given and if they have nothing but dumb illiterate even hostile to reading kids to teach how can you expect results?

Let me say once more - Reform will only come if it starts in the home.


plaasjaapie
I really don't want to raise a generation of the Eloi so I do not support your idea that technology is the solution. What happens when the calculator breaks down or the electricity cuts out? I would rather have children still memorize multiplication tables and draw by hand in art.

A lot of people just don't bother to say
***It is amazing how so many people who are not in education seem to think they have the solution to the "problem."***

I'm an educational consultant.


Ah, a survivalist...
*** What happens when the calculator breaks down or the electricity cuts out?***

If the electricity shuts down now, the economy comes to a screeching halt till it goes back on again. If we had a massive socio/technical breakdown 5-10% of our population that is being kept alive by the various forms of medical intervention would die horribly within a few weeks. If it went on for longer than that 80-90% of our population would have starved to death within three months.

It's an old, old rule of thumb that civilisations are no more than three meals away from riots and chaos.

Now, your point again was?

***I would rather have children still memorize multiplication tables and draw by hand in art.***

Those are anachronistic preferences. You'd be as right to say that you preferred that your kids learn to do long multiplication and division with Roman numerals.

Yeah, there is a way and yeah, I know how. It's not hard but it takes bloody forever, much longer than the hand method for extracting cube roots that I learned in the 9th grade or the use of log tables to do scientific calculations and the slide rule I used to speed up the process a bit.

You want your kids to learn to draw by hand? Great stuff! Are you going to teach them to sculpt with a chisel and a block of marble?

I did an lot of arts courses at university. Ever done acrylics on herculene? Silver point? Water colour washes? Developed your own film? Sepia prints?

The point is that there are thousands of obsolete techniques out there and I believe that people everyone should learn one or two. The point is, though, that you can't run our civilisation with them. We were a fewer and a lot poorer when we had to.


Art is not electronic
While electronic creations can be art, I certainly hope that our society never "progresses" to the point where no art is ever created by hand. A computer can not convey the fine textures and subtle nuances an artist uses with colors and paints.

As a matter of fact, I would want children to learn to sculpt with a chisel and block of marble. The kinesthetic experience a child would get from such an exercise can not be reproduced by a computer.

Technology is a tool, not an answer.

D'Evelyn Jr/Sr High School
I graduated from a very remarkable high school in Jefferson County (Denver's next door neighbor). We regularly scored in the top percentiles on every test that was thrown at us. I had friends who left for other schools after our Sophomore year and proceeded to graduate at Christmas. The question as a junior and senior wasn't "should I take an AP class?" but rather "which AP classes can I fit into my schedule?"

It took 10 years to get D'Evelyn's doors open and then we were to woefully underfunded that we had to raise money for text books, forget about football uniforms. That same year, some of our rival high schools were getting laptops for EVERY student. We were a public high school and we didn't screen our students. There are 150 seats per class level (county imposed, not chosen by the founders) and a "waiting list" of about 500 people per class. Students are chosen by lottery.

I'd finished my freshman year of college by the time I graduated from that high school. About 50% of my graduating class went on to do something with the military.

So, what does this teach us? Public schools can teach if it's done properly... but most are too burdened with "non-essentials" to concentrate on what students really need to learn.

just a reminder
Deornwulf writes: It is amazing how so many people who are not in education seem to think they have the solution to the "problem."

-----------------------------------------------

Every citizen with a child, property or a vested interest in the future is "in education".

Oh please...
***While electronic creations can be art, I certainly hope that our society never "progresses" to the point where no art is ever created by hand.***

That's not in the cards. No technique is ever really "lost". They just fall out of the mainstream. It is likely that more buildings are built out of adobe brick today than at any time in history. Similarly, I suspect that more paintings are done with oils now than at any time in the past. Those techniques are just not as relevant now as they were in the past.

***As a matter of fact, I would want children to learn to sculpt with a chisel and block of marble.***

Go get bids on blocks of marble for that exercise and then come back and say that again. I'll bet you have 'em working in clay instead. :-)

yes!
***So, what does this teach us? Public schools can teach if it's done properly... but most are too burdened with "non-essentials" to concentrate on what students really need to learn.***

Amen to that, brother.

Vouchers should be issued.
Competition would improve education quality.
Parents would have more input to education.
Parents would be able to curtail activism in class.

I am an educator
finishing my PhD,
working in higher education,
a former homeschooling mom,
and a current grandmother of homeschooled and privately schooled children.

We have two gifted high school teachers in the family who both were leaders and high achievers in their undergraduate and graduate programs. Neither will teach in the public system, despite the better salaries and the many opportunities available to them there.

From our experiences and my own research, I offer the following diverse observations:

* New York City public schools employ 60 times as many administrators per student as the New York City Catholic schools do, with the Catholic Schools' record of achievement far exceeding the top heavy public programs.
* Many more children in the public schools are not prepared by their parents to learn, compared to those in private schools. Parents who care enough to investigate often end up looking for a way out of the public schools.
* The system tends to reward incompetence, and penalize the best efforts of good teachers.
* Though my own children excelled in their graduate studies, their graduate faculty openly ridiculed them (even suggesting they were closet racists), and encouraged other students to ridicule them, for intending to teach outside the public system.
* Over half of all Milwaukee public school teachers elect to send their own children to private schools.

The chronic problems that contribute to the bad public school learning experience are irrelevant to parents who must make decisions today about how their growing children will learn.

I took my kids out of public school when we could not afford it--we could hardly afford winter jackets. So my husband and I taught them ourselves, and then we all went to college and graduate school together, and helped each other through.

That is what parents do.

We can't prevent the public school system from continuing to destroy itself from the inside out. Good teachers and caring parents will always find a way to help the children within their reach.

My heart goes out to the children of parents who unthinkingly give them over to a system that grinds teachers and students up to feed union bosses and fuel the tenure of aging leftists.

The remedies that would save this ship have long been discarded, and I am working with others to build an alternative ship. That's what we can do for the generations that follow ours.


No more "dance of the lemons" in Cal.
Arnie and the Democratic legislature have signed a new law that precludes schools from giving preferential treatment to teachers wanting to transfer either within a district or across district lines.

What has happened previously is that principal could talk a teacher who was facing a poor performance evaluation into transferring in exchange for a good evaluation on parting. Now, schools do not have to give preference to teachers coming either with a district or outside who have seniority.

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20100

Sounds like the teachers' union here got on the outs with the Democrats big time.

Wahoo!

Oh yeah, little factoid. In the LA Unified School District there is one administrator for every classroom teacher. Forty years ago it was 1 to 7.

To Plaasjaapie (now there's a name...)
What is an "educational consultant"? I'm really curious. I mean, what do you...DO?

plaasjaapie
Okay, um, first, I would be a sister. As in, amen to that, sister. Just a little nitpick.

I think you and I would disagree on what the essentials were. I learned, and can still do, multiplication and division without benefit of a calculator. I also know trigonometry, and the basics of chemistry, biology and physics. I haven't taken an "art" class since 6th grade although I did spend 3 years in the marching band (taking 2nd, 1st and 2nd in our division at state competitions). I also *gasp* know how to use a slide rule and I defy you to find a place to buy one these days.

Any idiot can use a calculator and yes, square root tables are really obsolete, but sometimes you just don't have one handy. Computers are great tools but they are only as useful as the person using them. They cannot do your thinking for you.

oh, yeah...
Just to make sure that it's clear, I graduated in May 2000.

What I do...
***I'm really curious. I mean, what do you...DO?***

A variety of things, depending on the time and circumstance, actually. I started out about ten years ago writing some software for the Department of Defense schools (for children of active duty personnel abroad) to improve teacher and administrator access their curriculum standards which helped them align course content with standards.

From there I got several contracts to do the statistical analysis for several research projects in schools and review and advise on their experimental methods. I also got tapped to be an assessor for the Hawai'ian e-schools project courses.

About five years ago I got involved with providing the internal logic for an educational software company which was developing the software to predict the scores of student essays vis a vis human scorers. They wanted to compete with the big boys at Educational Testing Service (ETS). I got them to the point to where they could. These days I'm working on automated schemes to score short answer responses. The teachers unions want short answers rather than multiple choice assessments scores because they think that will make assessments too expensive. They're wrong, as usual.

What I hope to be doing for the next few years, however, is off in a very different direction. Vocational and art courses have become a real problem at schools largely because our society is lawsuit-prone. Schools are scared stiff to let their kids around any sorts of tools or machinery that they could ever hurt themselves on, so shop courses are getting rarer by the school year. Shops are also expensive to keep running when the society wants things like nursery schools in high schools for unwed mothers.

I'm seeing some salvation for the hands-on courses in a project I've been working on for about a year now. You can see the website at...

http://reprap.org

The point of the project is to create an open-source technogy self-replicating, 3D printer. It's near impossible to hurt yourself on one and kids can make nearly anything with one. They're self-replicating in that you can build one with about $150 in parts and plastic. The plastic bits you can make with the replicator itself.

It gets kids into mechanical and electronics design and fabrication, 3D modeling and the like all in a very welcoming manner that leaves the kids with real things. Kids can even make copies of the replicator and take it home to use for themselves. There's no problems because there are no patents to cope with. :-)

A non-replicating machine of this sort costs $30K off-the-shelf. Objects made with one of these cost about $30 per cubic inch. We're looking at objects costing about $0.15 per cubic inch.

I've recently begun working with an educational futurist who I've know for many years on getting this technology out into the public school systems. I'm hoping to have a lot of fun and make some good money showing people how to make it all work along the way. :-D

Slide rules...
***I also *gasp* know how to use a slide rule and I defy you to find a place to buy one these days.***

My son had the same thing happen to him in high school. One of his math teachers, with a yen for obsolete methodologies, ran his advanced algebra class through the basic multiplication, division and log scales. Interestingly, the whole class was able to come up with slide rules with a minimum of fuss. Lot of old stuff in attics around here. :-s

I don't know of anybody who still makes them, aside from a few navigational slide rules that are still on sale. You can get them used on eBay and from specialist antique instruments makers.

I've picked up copies of the old big Pickett that I used in high school plus a K&E plastic one that is a bit warped. I'm still looking for a pukka quality Dietzgen in plastic coated bamboo. I typically find them at yard sales here where I live. We have a lot of old retired engineers around here. :-)


lazy
i have 4 kids. 2 of them had ADD and dyslexia and the excuses for their failure to learn was incredible. they set up all sorts of processes and procedures but none really addressed their learning. finally, one of the teachers said that Eli was not capable of retaining mathematical facts and information. (he struggled with times tables, etc.)
finally, i got fed up and just taught him myself. it isn't that he could not learn, it is that the schools have a one size fits all mentality.
in addition, many of the teachers are there because they could not hack it engineering, medicine, etc. i know dozens who fell into the teaching profession because of this.
there are many that love teaching and do an incredible job, but these are few and far between.
btw Eli is now doing algebra, square roots by hand, mental math, etc. he is no genius, but perfectly capable of learning if properly taught.
contrast that with melissa (daughter) who went to private catholic school. she studied calculus, philosophy, latin, etc.
makes the public school system curiculum look pathetic.
the public school system is a waste of money!!!!

hunger
Anyone who has ever learned something well knows that a combination of inspiration and desire were part of the mix. Parents can inspire. Teachers can inspire. Even peers can inspire. Internal desire to achieve can be caught from others. The posts here testify to the fact that parents and good teachers, whether at home, in public or private schools can inspire students to excell. Hurdles in the way of the parents and teachers who care are:
1. Bullies in the classroom... a discipline problem.
2. "Clock punchers" for teachers/colleagues... personnel problem.
3. Lack of support... administration problem.

All three of the above,(there may be more), are a result of poor leadership in the administration. Visionless leadership will not deal with bullies, will not fire droll teachers, and will not support excellence for fear of rocking the boat. Every school system with excellent leadership at the top will thrive and make silk purses out of sow's ears if need be. Stellar teachers most often have to overcome poor administrations. Vouchers, home-schooling, private schools, and charter schools are all present because of pathetic leadership and responsible people who will not accept mediocrity and status quo. Administrators that can't lead and inspire should be sent packing immediately. And, as a teacher's union member, I must confess that I loathe the "status quo keeping" that masquerades as teacher support. My life as a professor would be so much easier if I had one visionary administrator whose huge salary was justifiable.

Lordy!
***All three of the above,(there may be more), are a result of poor leadership in the administration.***

Oh lord! Just get your management right and everything else will fall into place. I've heard that mantra a hundred times before, inevitably from some dork of an MBA who is trying to get a board to give him leave to wreck an organisation with his crackbrained ideas.

To work properly an organisation has to have committed people, from the CEO to the guy who empties the trash.


These solutions miss the mark
We can make our public and/or private schools the most fantastic centers of learning and culture possible and it will still not change the basic fact that America's youth are not being raised in a manner in which any value is placed on education.

Um, actually,
We were having a bad weather day (45 minute late start due to 10" of snow) and we asked the physics teacher to show us how to use it. Then, some friends and I entered a business competition that used a computer simulation and we weren't allowed to use our graphing calculators so we borrowed the teachers slide rule. Bored, we broke out a pack of playing cards and took all of the surrounding teams for about $25 each. The competition now has a new rule about outside games. We took second place in the competition and got some pretty nice scholarships.

The funniest part of this story? We were going to be awarded plaques at a ceremondy at the end of the year and the parent sponsor wanted to give us all slide rules. She eventually started contacting all of the engineering firms in the city to find some. My slide rule is currently mounted in a frame at my parents house.

it comes with the territory
take any workplace where the job is guaranteed whether they are productive or not and you will find a lot of waste and incompetence.
my dad worked for the railroad which had a union and they went out of their way to protect the goldbricks and incompetents. my dad got fired because he kept speaking out against these incompetents. he believed in his job and believed in putting forth an honest day's work.

people like this are few and far between. human nature dictates that if i do not have to do anything to get a paycheck, i will. there is no incentive to do better and so nothing ever gets better. they get paid the same whether they work or not!

where is the incentive for public schools to get better? does their funding ever go away if they fail? never!

Great Scott:
I don't think all teachers are to blame for the failure of the public school system. The system itself is a failure in regard to TEACHING students. It is a tremendous success at the social engineering that is the primary goal of the people who control and manage the system.


There is a woman who is high up in the U. S. Dept. of Education who addressed an annual Governors meeting a few years ago. I think her name was McHue. She informed the Governors that all the talk of the schools not working as they should was a case of people not understanding that schools were working exactly as intended.


She said that complainers did not understand that the mission of the education system was to effect a "total transformation of society". She continued with comments about the system not being interested in teaching "facts" any longer. I forget much of the rest of her comments, but I do remember that I found what she was saying as truely monstrous. Especially so because she was addressing Governors from all over the country, and they seemed entirely comfortable with what she was saying.


Scott, I suggest that you get a copy of "The Underground History of American Education" by John Taylor Gatto. Mr. Gatto is a retired teacher who worked in the system for thirty years. He calls for the complete abolition of public schools. The man says that they are so destructive to the nation that they are beyond repair.


Gatto has several times won Teacher of the year awards in New York state. He documents the reason teachers no longer have control of students who exhibit bad behavior in classrooms is because the situation was deliberately created by those who are in control of the system. I don't have time to go into all the details, but Taylor's book is absolutely horrifying.


Teachers are victims just as much as students, parents and this nation are victims. Victimized be a government controlled system that has deliberately dumbed down the population. A major accomplice in this effort is the NEA, and after watching this woman from the Dept. of Education speaking to the Governors, I would include those officials in the listing of those who are responsible for what is happening.


Anybody who thinks that the problem has anything to do with conservatives bashing public education is mis-informed as far as I am concerned. I suggest that people read Gatto's book. Certainly a look at the failing, under educated students reveal that something is wrong.


Ask teachers and they will point out that parents are not sufficiently involved in the process, but how many times have parents objected to some of the things that are being taught to their children and being told to butt out? I also like to point out that parents today are the product of public education. How deeply do you think you would want to be involved in a system that graduated you as a funtional illiterate who probably dreads their children asking them for help with their homework?


Great Scott, I think you will be doing yourself a favor if you look a little farther into the situation before you suggest that conservatives may be responsible in some way for the failure of the public education system


Everybody knows that the system is a failure. Not everyone knows that the results of that failed system are the desired results of those who control things. Look a little deeper, please.

back to the home
The 'free-market' model of education is the only thing that will keep our next generation from collectively falling on their faces. We don't need to pay parents to put their kids wherever they want. We just need to let the private school (especially homeschool) side of the equation continue to prove the serious downfalls of the public (government) schooling system. We don't have to blame public-school teachers; they are for the most part only there because they care about children. We surely haven't made the public teachers' pay scale a magnet to people looking for an easy dollar. It comes down to the NEA & liberal agenda-setters deciding that they have the power to force whatever they want on our children, and the feel-gooders deciding that nobody should fail nor be punished for their misdeeds. We allowed them to take right-and-wrong from our public schools under the guise of 'separation of church and state' (don't even start with me on that one), or "I'm OK, you're OK", and we wonder why there is such chaos in public classrooms!?
Homeschooling is the ultimate way for us as Americans to take back control of what our kids are learning, how they're learning it, and to what other ideas they're exposed. It's also the best way to show that we care and that we refuse to pawn off the upbringing & discipline of our children. Anyone who doubts what the agenda is doing to our children should check out 'Brave New Schools' by Berit Kjos. If you're skeptical about whether you should even try the book, be sure to read the reviews on Amazon.com.

Peer pressure
My solution is to honor the smart kids and belittle and publicly chastise the dumb ones.

When a child understands that it's embarassing to do poorly in school, more effort will be expended in the classroom.

When the dumb kids understand that it's their own behavior that ostracizes them from a segment of their classmates, they will conform (study harder).

Some will, in fact, fall by the wayside. That's already happening now anyway, but the majority of kids will make it.

Bad source
Gatto is a wacko that is totally unreliable as a source about education.

Schools can only be as strict as society (the parents) allow them to be. Teachers are victims not because of the public school system but of the blame everyone else me first generation that bring lawyers to parent teacher conferences.

Vain philosophers reject their fruit…

Mr. Jeffrey makes the observation that schools affiliated with religion demonstrate better performance compared with public schools. He then draws the conclusion that since money does not correlate to performance, parents should be given the opportunity for school choice. Vouchers are one option toward that end.

His proposal sounds reasonable given the continued decline in public education. Mr. Jeffery does not directly address the cause for the ruin of the public system. He offers no solution for its repair.

It is comical to hear some complain that it’s the parents fault. The administrators have got what they wanted; that is, a secular education system that conditions young minds into the dogma of liberalism. They have given up on technical excellence. They have given up on classical education. We have given up on them. They will never admit that their doctrine bears the blame for the failure of the system. They are now reaping what has been sown in the very parents they blame.

How many generations does it take of teaching young men and women that they are unaccountable animals in a world without purpose before they throw off traditional morality and begin to behave in the way they have been taught? Lawlessness comes naturally from Adam; ethics must be taught. Secularism leaves men in despair because it suppresses the Biblical view of men as image bearers of the Creator and Redeemer God, who made men to love Him and enjoy Him forever.

Mr. Jeffrey is right to encourage an exodus from a failed system. Children deserve better than to be held captive to vain philosophy.

Mr Wolf
Ok, so your argument is "Don't listen to him, he is a wacko". Hmmmm. Good solid argument there. Are you a product of public education?

"Schools can only be as strict as society (the parents) allow them to be. Teachers are victims not because of the public school system but of the blame everyone else me first generation that bring lawyers to parent teacher conferences."

But the society wants prayer in school and Christmas displays by a large margin. The society wants teaching about gay and transgendered people out by a large margin. People want kids to be able to play tag by a large margin. But the schools tell them to shut up and go away and some courts have decided that the parents have no rights to define what is taught. Is this both ways at the same time?

The whole idea of lawyers and torts is a smokescreen. Yes, some people sue at the drop of a hat. And we run and hide because it is too much trouble to fight back.

Here is an idea. Put a webcam that records the class in every classroom. Record the behavior of the students and the teacher. Then if the teacher flunks little Billy for being disruptive we can see if a) little Billy was or b) the teacher was one of those political waccos who did not like Billy questioning whether Bush is a war criminal. Any legal chalenges should be minimized then, yes?

This is very good news
For early members of Generation Y. For it means that those who come after us will be too stupid to compete with us.

I pity the country though unless we privatize education. And hopefully, we'll have plenty of publicly funded scholarships for those who cannot afford the system.

plaasjaapie
You missed the thesis. I did not claim that everything will be excellent if only we had good administrators. I made sure to point out that good teachers, parents and even peers will inspire students to excellence. However, honest assessment of reasons for excellence will often point to good leadership. A team of superstars without a good coach will not win many tournaments. Anyone who has worked under good leaders and bad leaders will usually prefer a good leader. There is an old saying, "the buck stops here." While administrators and superintendents are most often hired by school boards, and failure on their part may indicate poor screening in the hiring process, the success or failure of the school will most often be laid at the feet of these administrators. While there may be wildly committed, efficient, and adept trash emptiers, secretaries, and teachers, (I certainly accept that they are needed) one of the quickest ways to dash morale and descend into mediocrity comes via poor leadership at the top.

belittle and publicly chastise the dumb
***My solution is to honor the smart kids and belittle and publicly chastise the dumb ones.***

Would you allow that a person with a high IQ will find difficult tasks less time consuming than a person with a significantly lower IQ?

Given that public school curricula are time limited, that is, limited amounts of time are allowed for mastery of skills, how can you justify such abuse of the less able?

There is actually a way around this and it called Mastery Teaching and Testing. I used it for years at the university level when I was doing the college professor thing.

Basically, you have a teaching module that you deliver and record. With that module is a mastery test taken from a large pool of questions relating to that module. A student can sit the module and review the delivery via videotape any number of times and can take the Mastery test as many times as necessary to achieve a much higher mark than is set as passing with conventional courses. Once the student has mastered that module he or she can proceed to the next one.

For course administration it is a nightmare that few lecturers are willing to undergo. Computer delivered testing is the way to go with Mastery modules. Those like myself, however, who are willing to put in the time and endure the pain and suffering of marking maybe 5 times as many exams as one usual encounters in delivering a course get students who have mastered both the material and techniques in their courses at a very high level, largely irrespective of the IQ or degree of preparedness of the students entering the courses.

It's hard work, though. Teachers' are typically looking for a bit of an easier life.

I think that if schools could scrape off about 75% of the non-learning nonsense that schools do ordinarily teachers and students would have the time and incentive to benefit from this way of doing things.

Ignorant Parents breed Ignorant Kids
]b]"plaasjaapie
I really don't want to raise a generation of the Eloi so I do not support your idea that technology is the solution. What happens when the calculator breaks down or the electricity cuts out? I would rather have children still memorize multiplication tables and draw by hand in art. [/b]"

I recently had the experience of standing at the front desk of Future Shop watching three twenty-somethings try to figure out a 20% discount using a calculator. The problem they had was that they did not know which buttons to push, and they did not know whether the number generated was within the realm of possibility, much less whether it was the correct answer.

Meanwhile here stood a fiftysomething who was taught decimals and percentages by hand in a two-room schoolhouse in the 1950s who knew that you move the decimal point to the left one place and multiply by two.

We have a lot more young lawyers who do their own typing these days ("keyboarding" they call it because typing is for Girls) ... and who do not understand that Spell Check does not tell you whether or not the word you are using is the correct word, only whether it is correctly spelled. That is why we get "wreckless" driving, "tow" the line, and "should be reigned in" -- not to mention "pavement" instead of "permanent".

But the real culprit is not the technology which after all is only a crutch; the real culprit is the parent who proudly announces, "I can't tell you when was the last time I read a book!" Parents who don't read breed children who don't read; parents who don't talk with their children breed children who can't think or reason; and parents who rely totally on technology can't find their way out of a burning building.


Bad apples and public schools
Hey, parents! These are the first three steps we need to take to get education on the right track. 1. When your children are very young (infants), start reading to them. Fill your home with books and let them see you with books. 2. When they enter school, let their teachers know that you are available to help. Don't be a pest, but be there when you are needed. 3. Start working for the day when no federal government department, agency, or bureaucrat has anything to do with the education of our children. Education is the responsibility of the states and local education authorities. Administrators need to do more than push papers for the Feds. NO parent should be told by an administrator:"Sorry! We can't take care of that on this level."

Plaasjaapie

.....you make an excellent case for on-line schools....this has been one of my ideas for years.....COLOSSUS

Doernwulf:
So Gatto is a whacko huh? You didn't say why. Why is that? Nobody knows you. Why should anyone believe you when you call Gatto a name?
That looks like something a leftie bomb thrower would put out to distract people from a discussion.


I noticed that you failed to comment at all on the woman from the Dept. of Education. I will say it again. You can not simply blame parents for the failure of public education. That is a lame cop out.


That excuse is getting old. Try to address issues, and refrain from making assertions about a man like Gatto without any evidence that your cheap attack is valid. How mant times have you been chosen as Teacher of the Year in your state? Or are you saying that Teacher of the Year has no significance? If you are, what does that say about the system you are apparently trying to defend? You should be embarrassed.

baseballdoc and plaasjaapie
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Computers are great tools but they are only as useful as the person using them. They cannot do your thinking for you.


Meaning, online schools and sophisticated computer programs are great but if the kids don't know how to use them or what they're using them for, it's just an expensive waste of time.

The things that I have seen help kids succeed are passionate teachers, invested parents and kids who are willing to take action in their own education. Not all three of these things are necessary but at least 2 of them is necessary. With all 3, all the beauracracy and red tape in the world won't stop a child from not only becoming educated but also learning how to learn.

huh?
***Computers are great tools but they are only as useful as the person using them. They cannot do your thinking for you.***

I'm a little confused here. This is supposed to be a profound statement?

Observations
Plaasjaapie - you are the very reason my children started their educations in private school. My daughter can do math in her head, knows how to spell and use correct grammar, and has actually studied the Constitution (among other things) and she's only 13. She's now in public school and getting compliments from teachers about her depth of knowledge.

Private schools excel at educating in part because they don't rely on technology. There are some very interesting studies out showing that the old hand methods of math, reading, spelling and penmanship do indeed develop the intellectual capacity of the brain. More synapses are firing when one is handwriting a letter than when one is keyboarding the same words, for instance.

Just so you understand, from a neurophysiology standpoint (and this comes from a cousin who is a neurologist) the more synapses firing the more likely something is being learned and learned well. We should all be exercising our synapses everyday according to Rick and computers, TVs and calculators exercise far fewer synapses than books and pencil-and-paper math.

The technology helps you suggest may have value for those who have learning disabilities, but for the average person who will need to excel in the world outside the public school -- well, a lazy brain with fewer working synapses is not as good as a busy brain with more working synapses.

I chose private school for my kids because I personally did not feel myself best-suited to home school them, but I really like the idea of online schools. I have a friend who was raised in Australia with the radio-school system. She and her siblings seem to be very well educated --as educated as my parents who went to two-room school houses before World War II, so I think there is some value in the idea.

One of my other duties as assigned in my job is to review most of the writing of most of the people who write for the agency. I received this unassigned duty because I can actually write. The misspellings, the grammatical errors, the outright stupid and uncommunicative writing is usually accompanied by a note that my colleague has run spell-check and grammatix and it's ready to go. It's not and that's why it's run by me before being sent out.

My husband had a lesson in the reliance on technology last summer. They were up on a manlift two stories in the air when a calculation was required for a complicated bend of conduit. The apprentice was asked to do the calculation. He whipped out his calculator and sent it flying to the concrete floor below where it shattered into a thousand pieces. My husband whipped out his notebook and handed it to the apprentice, who hadn't a clue how to do it without the calculator, so my husband began hand-calculating (this is advanced algebra). In the meantime, the 60-something guy with them started doing the calculation in his head. They finished at about the same time and the figures they arrived at were 3/10th of a degree different -- a negligible amount that didn't matter in the physical world.

In other words, if you live by technology you die by technology.

I love SimCity, but it has yet to teach me anything much about American/European or World history. It doesn't include information about the three branches of the government or the constraints the Constitution places on that government. It's a fun game, but then again, so was my high school government class where I learned all that stuff.

Maybe Shakespeare is irrelevant to you, Plaasjaapie, but you can learn an awful lot about human nature from his observations. I wouldn't want to be a character in an F. Scott Fitzgerald novel, but for a peek at the stinky side of life, it beats an actual walk on the wild side. Sometimes negative role models aren't a bad thing.

What it really comes down to is that you believe that your education and new ideas are so much more superior to old-fashioned common sense that you don't really get what the rest of us are trying to say. We know what works because history teaches us what works and that is being reaffirmed in private schools all across the nation. Parents are demanding a return to what works. If the public schools refuses to listen to their funders and instead insist upon listening to educational theorists like you, then nobody should be surprised if we take our money and go elsewhere.

response
"***Computers are great tools but they are only as useful as the person using them. They cannot do your thinking for you.***

I'm a little confused here. This is supposed to be a profound statement?"

Not necessarily, just a reminder that putting somebody who doesn't know how to read in front of something with written instructions and then expecting them to learn anything from it is... not helpful. I can't even begin to count how many people I've met who have said, "well, can't you just look it up on the internet?" without any real idea of what they are looking up or how the information gained can be used.

Not a cornerstone Great Scot
Great Scot is overly simplistic and out of today's context writing "public education has been a cornerstone of our republic"

Our founders weren't publically educated. "Public" education as originally developed in New England was parochially driven with a strong Christian component and was LOCAL.

As the country moved westward "public" education remained LOCAL and was accomplished by communities clubbing together to get a teacher and a schoolhouse.

Today's "public" education IS a travesty. It isn't local, it's educators are predominantly the lowest academic acheivers produced by already suspect "public" Universities. Public schools are rightly "bashed" Scot regardless of your political leanings. The "public" education you note and claim as a "cornerstone" has no resemblence to the socialistic, statist centralized kludge we suffer with today.

The column author is right on. To fix things, remove the Feds and State governments and let communities choose how to run their own "public" education.

Gatto Comment
So my Gatto comment was out of line. I am guilty of making a statement with nothing offered for evidence to support the idea. I will be blogging about Gatto when I complete researching my counter arguments to his thesis that public education is entirely unecessary. I still find Gatto to be a questionable source because of his obvious prejudice against public schools. All of the citations in his work are from those who agree with his thesis and are composed mostly of opinion without research.

Let my try an analogy of my own... If you broke your leg, would you cut it off? Public schools are broken in many ways but is the best course of action to eliminate them? What would be the unintended consequences of such an action? Would the nation be served to have millions of unsupervised youths with nothing to do if there were no public schools?

The anti-public school crowd sounds to me just like liberal Democratic whiners. They point to a problem and offer no real solutions to fix it.

Democrats - War in Iraq is going bad.....pull out now!

Gatto, et al. - Public Education is broken.....get out now!


One further point
Before continuing to support one side or another in this debate, I think it necessary to answer the following questions -

1. Is it acceptable to have a portion of the American population illiterate and uneducated?

2. Is America best served by an educated populace or an uneducated populace?

3. Would private schools alone be able to accomplish the task of educating the entire school age population of the United States?

4. Would every citizen in the United States have fair access to education for his or her child?

5. Would you accept the opening of Islamic "Sharia" schools in the United States?

All I ask amongst all of the finger pointing is that we consider all of the consequences of our actions before deciding on what is the best course of action.

uh... yeah...
***Plaasjaapie - you are the very reason my children started their educations in private school.***

I am happy for you and glad that your child is prospering in the educational environment you chose for her. It is always dangerous to decide that what worked for your child should be great for all children.

In my own case my ex finally gave up on my son and sent him over when he started high school. When he arrived I discovered to my horror that he was not in command of his math facts, had illegible handwriting and could not compose a two paragraph essay to save his life.

He entered university last year at the University of California at Santa Barbara in the computer science department as a sophomore after turning down a scholarship to Stanford because he didn't like the atmosphere there.

If you are interested in how that transformation happened you might want to look at an article I wrote about the experience for the French Webzine Agora Vox.

http://www.agoravox.com/article.php3?id_article=5114

By the way. He had been attending one of those private schools, one with a good reputation in fact, before I got them. You will pardon me if I don't have much patience with the conventional schooling paradigm be it public or private.


Plaasjaapie, thanks
Thanks for the explanation of what you "do" - clears up my questions! I attended one of those DOD schools you talked about - Frankfurt AHS, also Heidelberg AHS. Waaayy back when...

I also clicked on the link above, with your article - aha! now we know your REAL name, where you live, how old you are, etc. etc. Heheheheh....

Answers
Deornwulf writes: I think it necessary to answer the following questions -

1. Is it acceptable to have a portion of the American population illiterate and uneducated?

Yes

2. Is America best served by an educated populace or an uneducated populace?

Educated

3. Would private schools alone be able to accomplish the task of educating the entire school age population of the United States?

no

4. Would every citizen in the United States have fair access to education for his or her child?

What is your question?

5. Would you accept the opening of Islamic "Sharia" schools in the United States?

They already exist

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Some student should be allowed to fail so that others may reach their potential. The current method of teaching does not allow for any student to fail. Most of a teacher’s efforts are spent with the lame and the lazy while the best and the brightest are ignored.

Wow...
Hockey Goon: Wow! Bloody hell! (jawdrops)

Persnickety:

***I also clicked on the link above, with your article - aha! now we know your REAL name, where you live, how old you are, etc. etc. Heheheheh....***

That's supposed to make me nervous? I lived through eight years of the South African civil war. I don't have any nerves to get nervous any more.

Public schools abdicated their job
... as educators and instead became not very disciplined babysitters who produce a poor product. Why should taxpayers be forced to continue paying for rotten product when there is another supplier than has proven it can produce better? Will all the needs of education be met through vouchers that allow us to walk away from the failed public education system? Well, no! That's going to take at least a couple of generations to fix, but if the money were made available, the private schools would educate anyone. Let me give an example.

I have a number of friends with deaf children and in several cases their children attend day schools for the deaf because their parents have rejected the oralist/mainstreamed failure required in most public schools. These day schools are private schools turning out excellent graduates who go onto tax-paying careers and/or higher education. The public school programs are by and large turning out illiterates who can talk a bit, but can't read or do math and haven't a clue about science or government. (A cousin who is a deaf educator with the Seattle school system asks me to disclaim that HE is a good teacher and the program HE works for is one of the best public deaf programs in the nation. We're speaking in generalities about the majority of school districts). Currently, most parents of deaf children cannot afford these private schools which leaves their children trapped in a public system that is utterly failing them. If vouchers were available, most deaf children would leave the public schools to go to schools that actually are designed for their needs. Cousin Brian would find a place in one of those schools because he is an excellent deaf educator.

Oh, but then, if the broken public schools were deserted in favor of effective private schools, people like Plaasjaapie might not have jobs. And, of course, we must make sure these folks have jobs. That's so much more important than educating children for the future.

Silly me, I forgot the real purpose behind education is to provide jobs for people who otherwise might be unemployable.

My husband and I are not rich. We sacrificed to have both kids in private school and that was one reason we finally relented to allow our daughter to try public school this year. We're not impressed! She's being taught a full grade level behind what she was expected to do in private school. We pay $8000 a year to educate her in public school (a sum we paid all the time she was in private school). We paid $2700 in tuition last year for her. More money for less quality somehow seems wrong to me. The one benefit we've seen is that our social butterfly now has a big social group to interact with. But, is that the purpose of education? I think not!

If private schools were given the funding to do education as they are doing it now, but in a bigger venue, I think we'd see measurable increases in performance across the boards. No, it wouldn't solve every problem, but I think my example of the deaf day schools provides broadrange possibilities for other disability education programs. Maybe the former public school teachers who teach disabled students currently would actually get to work teaching in a private sector instead of playing patty-cake in the public sector.

That's pretty vile, don'tchaknow...
***Oh, but then, if the broken public schools were deserted in favor of effective private schools, people like Plaasjaapie might not have jobs. And, of course, we must make sure these folks have jobs.***

aurorawatcher: No we mustn't. I'm not on any government's payroll.

Noting that...

***One of my other duties as assigned in my job is to review most of the writing of most of the people who write for the agency.***

...it would appear that you are. I do subcontracting. I have no tenure or anything of the kind. If I do bad work, I don't get call-backs.


Auro
Comments like yours make me question my decision to not follow through with attending law school. I was accepted and had financial aid all arranged. Instead, I decided to remain a teacher.

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