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Friday, September 26, 2008
T. Boone Pickens :: Townhall.com Columnist
Energy Must Be the Topic We Address Tonight
by T. Boone Pickens
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As we approach the first Presidential debate, it has become clear that there are three major issues in this campaign: the economy, national security and, of course, energy. Of those three, only energy reaches across the other two. It is the single most important foreign policy question we face.

Today we are importing 70% of the oil we use every day. At more than $100 per barrel that adds up to nearly $700 billion per year that Americans are sending overseas, that’s about $1.9 billion a day, seven days a week.

The $700 billion Wall Street bailout proposed by the Secretary of the Treasury, Hank Paulson, is the amount we are spending on foreign oil EVERY YEAR. Keep that in mind: the Wall Street bailout is one year of foreign oil imports.

The economic burden of sending nearly $2 billion every day overseas has become blindingly apparent: Sheikhs in the Middle East are buying up our major financial institutions, which means your mortgage might well be held by someone in Abu Dhabi or Qatar.

Need a new car? Good luck on trading in your used SUV or light truck. You know all that. You have to deal with it every day.

That’s the economic side of our oil addiction.

In addition to the economic brick wall into which we are driving, we should carefully consider, as a national security issue, where that oil is coming from. The single largest oil exporter to the U.S. is Canada. That’s fine.

But of the top 15 countries from which we import oil they include (according to the U.S. Department of Energy) the following:

Venezuela (4th largest exporter to the U.S.)
Nigeria (5th)
Angola (7th)
Algeria (9th)
Equador (10th)
Russia (11th)
Azerbaijan (13th)
Chad (15th)

The notion of Hugo Chavez “hosting” the Russian Navy to conduct exercises in the Caribbean Sea and allowing Russian anti-submarine aircraft to be based in Venezuela should be sending us to the history books to re-read the Monroe Doctrine.

Add to that list the big numbers from the countries in the Middle East. We are depending on a stable supply of oil from one of the least politically stable regions in the world.

Angola? Azerbaijan? Algeria? CHAD?

If ever there was a national security threat, that list of the top fifteen is it.

It appears that the massive spending bill which will be adopted by the House and Senate before they leave will, effectively, lift the ban on drilling on the outer continental shelf. That’s good news, and a good start, but that doesn’t get us to energy independence. I have been an oilman all my life. But I know that there is not enough oil left in the ground or off our coasts to solve this problem.

I’m for everything that’s American: drilling, hydro, bio, solar, nuclear, geo-thermal, wind and natural gas – whatever. And we should be full out working on new technologies to fuel our personal and fleet cars, our busses and trucks. But that technology doesn’t exist yet. So, we need a bridge to get us there.

That is the heart and soul of the Pickens Plan.

We have abundant wind and abundant natural gas. The Wind Corridor in the Midwest stretches from Texas all the way to the Canadian border. The raw material is free, the technology exists and building wind farms in rural America will not only reduce the need to use natural gas to fuel power generating plants, but has the immediate effect of providing well-paying jobs to folks in small towns all across this huge region.

One of the largest wind farms in the nation is located in the town of Sweetwater, Texas. The population has grown from under 10,000 to over 12,000 and nearly one-quarter of the jobs are wind-related – everything from construction to maintenance; from trucking to education (the community college now offers an associate degree in wind energy engineering). Almost all of these jobs have been created by small businesses and it is model we can repeat from Texas to the Canadian border.

The second step in the Pickens Plan is to have companies and governments move to convert their fleets from gasoline and diesel to natural gas. Natural gas burns cleaner than gasoline, it is cheaper than gasoline, it burns cleaner than gasoline and the technology and manufacturing know-how already exists. Best of all, we’ve got plenty of it right here in the United States.

There are natural gas-fueled private vehicles available now. In fact, I own one. But the time and money to build out an infrastructure to add a natural gas pump island to every gasoline station is unreasonable.

Fleets are the target. Think about an express delivery truck. Or a cable company truck. Or the cars driven by building, health, and fire inspectors in cities all across the country. They spend their days in the same area and they go back to a central location every night.

The big number, though, comes from over-the-road trucks. Fully 30% of our oil imports go into moving goods via truck on our interstate highways. And fueling long haul trucks – at truck stops along the Interstates – is a far different, and far simpler challenge to overcome than fueling family vehicles.

Typically fleets turn over every three to five years. If, in five years, virtually every municipal, county and utility fleet were to run on natural gas, we could reduce our dependence on imported oil by 38% over the next decade.

We have the resources and the technology to sharply reduce our need for foreign oil. We can do it. All we need is the will of the American people to show our elected officials in Washington that we want them to show the leadership necessary to allow us to protect ourselves against the economic and national security dangers of importing foreign oil.

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How do we get the Democrats to support any plan for an all of the above approach? They seem to be against nuclear, against oil, against natural gas, against anything that is here today and only for pie in the sky alternatives.

Sounds Reasonable
Mr. Pickens' plan seems reasonable. So why don't we do it? Oh that's right, the government hasn't let us build nuclear plants or drill for more oil and natural gas. Maybe it's about time we demand our government let us start building nuclear power plants and drilling.

Transmission problem
Boone,
the whole thing is perverse: There is plenty of natural gas in the Rockies but try to get it out of here: there is not enough transmission capacity.
A proposed pipeine from SW Wyoming to Orgeon is getting major Cr@p from the enviromentalists.
You need to be made "energy Czar" and kick butt and take names!
Good luck!!


The Dems
do not want the USA energy independent. Did you not notice that Harry Reid tried to slip in a bill attached to the "bail out" to ban shale oil exploration?

http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/09/26/b ailout_shields_reids_shale_ban

Get McCain & Palin elected and things will change to help our Nation.

Yes Mr. Nosepickins
you want another bailout. You want the government to adopt the Pickens plan to buy your natural gas and confiscate land for your windfarms and thereby gaining water rights.

I smell a crook.

Boone....
....take a flying leap off a wind turbine.

Snake Oil
Boone,

Please respond to this:

http://junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20080925.html

Am I missing something?
The Pickens plan has the sound of an important answer to the problem, but why does government need to have anything to do with it (perhaps other than loosening up drilling for NG)? I would think that the private sector would be grabbing at the chance to get involved in the wind energy field, buying up or leasing land in the west and midwest. And the natural gas business should be very profitable, so why aren't the moguls jumping in there with cash? Could Vic (reply # 7) be onto something?

Oh, by the way,
Oil is almost totally purchased on the international market at the international price, so too much concern about its origin is rather silly. Those guys will, in their own self interest, keep supplying oil to the market. We'll run out when everybody else runs out.

solar panels and wind turbine...
solar panels and wind turbines on a house's roof is a better alternative that Picken's plan.

who the hell has the money to spend hundreds of billions of dollars upgrading the national grid to accomodate thousands of wind turbine that might now even generate electricity on days of peak usage. there isn't any power storage stations in place that would store the energy generated on a windy day so it can be used on a day with no wind.

Pickens is just another hack. he wants Natrual Gas usage demand to increase so that he's natrual gas assets go up in value, like CLNE.

putting solar panels or a wind turbine on a houes roof is a more cost effective investment since it will not involve spending massive amounts of dollars rewiring the national grid.

did I mention that Nancy Pelosi is invested in CLNE as well? She's so smart she thinks Natural Gas is not a fossil fuel!

Nancy and Pickes can take a hike.

He's Right
We need alternative energy sources! We have need this since the 70's.

for our kids!
look at the substance of what he is proposing instead of judging the man. our dependence on foreign oil only further weakens our position globally. we have the resources - congress and the next president have to commit to tapping them!

To: retchemprof CT
He thinks (no, strongly and greedily desires) gov't to be involved so HIS alternative energy companies can directly profit. This man is like Al Gore selling carbon credits while not mentioning he partially owns the company selling them! The only "citizens" this man will look out for is the Ted Kennedy crowd - together they will push through some bill that keeps wind turbines out of only seacoast rich peoples areas!


Go away Pickens - your liberal friends miss you (and I have some relatives who miss their money from buying windmills in California in the 70's....they keep telling us all it will pay off - maybe for their great great great grandkids there must be too much sun out there.....and think of all those birds killed)


Hey T.
Tell us. How much do you stand to make off the windmills which you build and the infrastructure needed to support them? Hmmmm?

I am all for alternative energy but windmills have to be one of the biggest jokes out there. They are expensive, noisy, deadly to birds, ugly, the list goes on. Just build the nuclear reactors and be done with it.

Pickens is for Pickens.
Pickens' plan benefits him more than it benefits you. Don't be fooled! Do your homework.

If this good ole' boy
was as "concerned" as he makes out to be in all of his commercials he would donate all of his wind farms and his natural gas company to the government so the energy could be gained at "low cost".

What his plan is really calling for is MORE government regulation that favors HIS companies. He is copying the Enron playbook and of course the media falls for it because he puts the magic word "green" in front of all his swindles.

They just don't realize that in this case "green" means the money he bilks out of joe sixpack.

Not Too Good Boone
Pickens:"...allowing Russian anti-submarine aircraft to be based in Venezuela should be sending us to the history books to re-read the Monroe Doctrine." Perhaps Jorge Bush and the CFR should also revisit our founding fathers to stop the US from invading countries without provocation and attempting to install missiles in Putin's face. How STUPID Jorge! Build nuke plants and make sure that sufficient material is make to produce a few more thousand missiles for Puting and China.

How Many US Officials Hold Stock Shares
in Pickens companies? My sources concur that Nancy Pelosi has 25 mil invested. We have 200 years worth of oil right here in the USA. We need to get Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the like out of our paid for governmental seats and elect real Americans with real American values. T.B. Pickens,,,,,you are one of those who are attempting to financially rape the backbone of our country. Shame on you!

T. Boone is not the enemy!
Utilizing alternative forms of energy within our borders will only help, not hurt, our families. New jobs will be created, and we will become able to better meet our energy needs without going overseas.

T. Boone's plan makes sense--and I believe if he didn't believe in it, then he would not be trying so hard during these tough economic times to make a difference. And he does have to try hard, because right now, Americans are burned out, disheartened, and scared. But we should not let our fears get in the way of exploring new opportunities to break our addiction from foreign oil!!

Stay positive, friends!!!

Your concern is suspect
In your ads you claim we only possess 3% of the world's oil. That's what we pump. But in oil shale as well as oil within 50 miles of shoreline, we have:
8 times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
18 times as much oil as Iraq
22 times as much oil as Iran.

In short, we could be completely energy independent if Democrats would say no to enviro-wacko groups and open up the US for drilling.

Further, it would be a boon to jobs. We could even be exporting our oil to Russia dependent Europe and use the revenue for alternate energy.

First things first, let's work what we have until technology and revenues from our oil opens up the door for new alternatives.

TBD is the Man
Am I missing something because what Mr. Pickens says makes so much sense I can't figure out where everyone isn't on board. There are so many conspiracy theories out there about TBP but what is it wrong about being a successful capitalist in a capitalistic country?

I would much prefer my money go to an American concerned about our national security than any of those countries on the "scary 15". Danny Glover going to Venezuela, Larry King interviewing Ahmadinejad and complimenting him on being so young looking--what the heck is wrong with this picture!!! America needs to get back on track. We need an effective energy policy that addresses the issues now! Iranians primarily drive Natural Gas vehicles--you know why--so they can sell their oil to dummies like us!

Dems locked into special interest
The Environmental lobby controls vast amounts of wealth - billions. Much from tax payer dollars and lawsuits. They pay big bucks to keep Dems in control.

Even if the Democrats were to unleash our companies to go get the oil, the environmental lobby would keep those companies busy in courts for decades.

Congress needs to protect those companies as well. With this two fold approach, we could be energy independent in 5 - 7 years.

We also need more refineries.

DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW, PAY LESS!

Can't see the forest for the trees
Those people that keep focusing on TBP as the enemy just don't get it. He is an 80 year old billionaire--he doesn't need the money and seriously he could be relaxing, raising race horses if he wanted to. Instead he is out there 24/7 trying to solve a very real problem!

To correct a couple of misrepresentations by those folks not doing their research: wind turbines don't kill birds-- Altamont Pass Wind Resource Area in California was one of the first big wind farms, and unfortunately it was placed in a migratory bird pathway, wind turbines used to be noisy but the technology has fixed that problem. Germany and China are already using wind for energy so what the heck is wrong with a plan that replaces fleet vehicles with cleaner burning NG and 20% of what we currently use NG for with wind energy. TBD doesn't call this a SOLUTION he calls it a BRIDGE. He is for all things DOMESTIC. Do you conspiracy theorists think he owns a piece of it all?

I have problems with Mr. Pickens...
He is pushing his own plan, in which he makes billions, as some form of patriotic thing we all need to do.

His ideas might have some merit but the I just can't get past the 'self serving' part of his pitch.

We need all the issues on the table not just those of a person that has a vested interest in a particular solution.

Wind Farms might be great when the wind is blowing but they are a major money hole when it's not.

Reply to #12 turbines on roof ...
I had a small wind generator on my roof with my PV panels; the noise and vibrations drove me crazy. Large (huge) wind generators produce much more power. Having a fraction of our power generated by wind is sensible, so is saving energy through increased efficiency. If, as tax payers, we need to build transmission lines from remote places, that seems reasonable and in our interest. Giving a couple pennies tax break per KWH is also in our interest. Would you rather have a coal plant (or nuclear plant) ten miles away from your home, or a wind mill?

Re: American Energy!!
Great idea but there are some snafus!!! I am a mechanic, and converting a regualar vehicle to use CNG is some what time consuming to do. And I don't know who is going to have these stations, where are they? I have not seen a CNG station anywhere in my region!! Oh, who will be left to foot the bill for the convertions?? Some thing to think about.

retchemprof
Re: "Am I missing something?"

Yep! What's missing in T-Boone's article is, How Nancy Peloski and other Dims have bought stock in his company and stand to make millions if they can keep the oil prices high. That drives folks to think about alternative sources. i.e. Their company!

That is why the Dims do not want drilling for our own oil, even allowing the new drilling offshore ban to expire, they do it by placing a 50 mi limit from the coastline. Meaning, you can't drill closer than 50 miles from shore. They've done this to make the American people think they are allowing drilling. But the oil companies know that the oil deposits are within these limits.

Now if they can get the government to pass laws and regulations to force the use of taxpayer money to support their scheme. All involved stand to make Billions!!

Nancy Peloski, Reid, Dodd and others. Could care less about the People! All should be prosecuted for abuse of power bordering on treason! These people need to be in prison, not in Congress!

My goodness
I think it is plain "common sense" to give Mr. Pickens Plan a go, but the usual suspects ie dems, enviros, anti this/that well they just "can't".

Oh, silly me I forgot "common sense" rarely exists for those on the left.

Good-luck to the Pickens Plan.

Who else?
To Everyone who is against T. Boone Pickens:

I have one question...who else do you want to come up with a plan and implement it? Our incompetent governement that can't even run the DMV? The Saudi's? Hugo Chavez? Of course T. Boone is going to make money on the plan someone, somewhere is going to make money, whether we adopt energy independence or not, why not an American Citizen? Where do you think he is going to spend his millions or billions, China? Not likely.

Please, think a little more deeply someday you will get there.




Let the games begin.........
Why is it that if you are against BIG GOVT and BIGGER GOVT (which is what we keep getting more and more of - hence the misery) and if you dare point out facts like how a person who made their money being a capitalist now stumps for SOCIALIST policies...that makes one a conspiracy theorist? Let the free market decide - keep govt out - because even if you naively, but truly, believe govt will help - look at facts: They screw it up - always - and profoundly - how do you think we got into this mess to begin with? There were those of us who warned (and yes I was in the business) about this mess back in the mid 90's to deaf ears. I am not for a bailout (and all the other blood sucking attachments they tried to slip in). Let them crash - I let my kids learn BY EXPERIENCE. And let all those people who couldn't afford their mortgage (or wanted a bigger whatever) lose it. LEARN folks. For the past 12 years I've had friends say - you guys can afford more...why don't you? and then I'd see their eyes roll in the back of their heads when I began to talk about fiscal responsibility. How is letting the fox slaught er the hen to help the hen sensible? And who among you will dare admit to being so utterly stupid as to think that the govt is going to use possible future profits (those that they wont steal - as if!) from this bailout to pay us back? Abolish (we can buy our own right to print our own money back you know) the Fed, get us back on the gold standard & get govt out of the way. If that makes me a conspiracy theorist - then fine!

You Ugh!
You come up with a plan for yourself. I will come up with a plan for myself. Each and every American comes up with a plan for him or herself. The aggregate is the market. There is no, I repeat, no role for government in any of this beyond its Constitutional limits.

What part of limited government don't you understand?

It's a comprehensive approach
The beauty of the Pickens Plan is that it is comprehensive. Unlike so many alternative energy approaches, his plan includes "drill, drill, drill." But it also recognizes increasing the domestic supply of oil will NOT solve the problem by itself.

Wind and compressed natural gas we have in adundance. Let's use them and stop this insane transfer of wealth to countries that attempt to do us harm.

Utilities, under the oversight...
...the government do not make efficient use of wind energy now. What makes any of you think that will change under Pickens' big-government plan?

Where's the Gas not in NC
While everyone is screaming bailout the fools who got in over their head and defaulted on their obligations

I'm screaming where's the gasoline it sure as hell isn't here in western NC

Drill here Drill NOW...It looks like the 70's gas lines.

Energy..Ovomit said to inflate my tires well, that won't help when I have no gas for the motor

Educated Vote
If you were a terrorist, who would you vote for ?

The Pickens Plan is ambitious but doable
During the political conventions, we have heard a lot of talk about reducing our addiction to oil, becoming more energy self-sufficient, and slowing global warming. The Pickens Plan is an ambitious, but doable, specific plan to (1) enhance our national security by making the country more energy independent, (2) help the country economically by reducing the wealth drain on the country (and create “green” jobs), and (3) slow global warming by constraining the production of greenhouse gases.

The Pickens Plan is not all this country needs to do, but it is the one critical thing we CAN do now to reduce foreign oil dependence by harnessing domestic energy alternatives, and buy us time to develop even greater, new, cost-effective technologies.

The need for solutions to the energy crisis transcends party politics, and is one example of where we Americans need to put our country first. We Americans can achieve great things, when a concerted and united effort is made, such as in putting a man on the moon. Achieving energy independence will take such a united effort, but working together, it can and MUST be done.

Its About Time
It's about time somebody came along with an actual plan. Politicians in Washington sit back and pay lip service to energy independence, but then pass up every golden opportunity to actually do something about it.

This is a solid, viable, actionable plan to end our dependence on foreign oil. And, it comes from one of the most famous American oil men in history.

Mr. Pickens, you sir are a patriot and I just want you to know that I have gone to http://push.pickensplan.com and signed up as a soldier in your New Energy Army.

Together we can solve the energy crisis and I appreciate your leadership.

InsightingTruth
I am all for limited goverment but when it comes to national infrastructure like getting energy across the country (or the world) the government has to support the efforts to do so. If the governement weren't already in the way there is no doubt T. Boone would be launching this plan on his own and other Americans, such as you and I, would or could do the same. The reality is that it needs government support in order to be accomplished, so here we are.

Also in re-reading this article this paragraph sticks out:
"One of the largest wind farms in the nation is located in the town of Sweetwater, Texas. The population has grown from under 10,000 to over 12,000 and nearly one-quarter of the jobs are wind-related – everything from construction to maintenance; from trucking to education (the community college now offers an associate degree in wind energy engineering). Almost all of these jobs have been created by small businesses and it is model we can repeat from Texas to the Canadian border. "

Correct me if I've gotten it wrong, but it appears that his plan is in favor of small businesses - not big government.

OMG! Pickens is a...
businessman? OMGWTF? He wants to make MONEY?!?

Wait a second...since when is a private citizen/company providing a solution to a public problem and making money in the process ANTI-American?!?

I agree - he's out to make money for himself, his company, and his company's shareholders. DUH!! So is Wal-Mart. So is Home Depot. So is every other company in America that provides a product or service to We-The-Consumers.

"Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less!!" I agree wholeheartedly, but eventually we'll need alternative sources for energy - at least our grandchildren will anyway. How about we start the infrastructure for those alternative sources now instead of in 50 years - when our grandchildren will be making the same accusations about some future businessman?

Wind and Noise
Wind turbine technology is not all that great. High maintenence costs and low kilowatt returns, for an immense initial investmant. At some point the tech will probably catch up with the costs; but it ain't there yet. And the tax-payer should not be saddled with the cost for a "not-ready for prime time" wind mill industry.
CNG/LNG is the best idea to come down the road; to this date at least. Natural Gas Plants are a fraction of the cost to engineer & build, compared to refineries. NG is cleaner to burn, less expensive to get out of the ground and there are trillions of cubic feet of the stuff, untapped, available for exploitation in the U.S.
Robert the mechanic in TX - The current average price to convert any old gas/diesel vehicle you can think of to CNG/LNG is $1500.00 or so, for the hardware and installation. Any competent backyard street-rodder can do it. As you pointed out however there are no CNG/LNG service stations. Another problem is that since NG is a cleaner fuel, most of the pollution controls hardware & the computer hardware/software associated with that pollution hardware would not be required anymore. Politicians and "green-freaks" being such reasonable people, there would surely be a mindless backlash of some sort, at the suggestion of eliminating un-needed pollution controls.
Politics will bollux this fix up and ensure the cost of NG remains out the roof. Pelosi & Reid's future wealth depend on it. Pickens will clean up regardless. NG, if exploited in an honest manner should run $2.00 or so a gallon, in the vehicle tank; that however won't ever happen. The powers that be have no interest in cheaper fuel for the rest of us.

Dwain Cleveland

How much money

I don't care how much money someone has, as long as it was stolen legally.

I didn't bother to read all of this but I have one question.

Picky boy says he wants to spend his money helping all those other folks, who aren't as rich as he is.

If he just wanted to power his house with wind power, he could find a million places all over the world where he could play Don Quixote without screwing up the neighborhood.

I lived in the Palms Springs area for 25 years, and watched that ugliness cover the hills and valleys. Ugly, Ugly,, Ugly.

I’ll make a bet with you. We know that he could spend billions of his dollars to help people in need of help, and still have a dollar left over to buy a banana peel, to place next to a hole in the ground.

But, if he does his thing, and it works as expected, 10 to 15 years from now, how much money will he have then? Is it necessary for him to get richer, rather than give his wealth to the needy.

I know the word “needy” is hard to explain, but I haven’t been to Paris for several years now.


To Ray and other idiots
The difference between T Boone crook and Wal-Mart is that Wal-Mart is not asking government to make it LAW that you buy their products. Wal_mart is not asking government to take private property and give it to them for access and water rights. Wal_mart is NOT asking government for billions of dollars in subsidies and tax breaks so they can sell their products at a higher profit.

I would have no problem at all in T. Boone building his wind farms and solar cells and then selling his electricity on the open market in compettion with the rest of the retailors. But that is NOT what he is trying to do. He is doing an Enron end-around to get government to make him the preferred buisness.

Slim Pickins
Unfortunately for Americans who have been asleep for so long and are now facing a rude awakening about their assets and money and jobs as well as the cost of living, are frightened and living in shock. It appears that the solutions to the bailout and oil and cost of living are diminished to slim pickins and no matter what decisions are made at this late stage of the game, there will be consequences and trials and tribulations for the good honest middle class American citizen and their families for generations to come. Americans placed their trust in those who lied to them and who were wolves in sheep's clothing, but they got their rewards and they are now wealthy because they protected themselves before they filed for bankruptcy and yelled out the "f" word loud and clear - "failed."

Vic-Original - Courtesy is Painless.
Don't attack me and I won't attack you.

I DID say PRIVATE company. I agree entirely that it's absurd for Pickens to lobby The Government (Federal, State and Local) for permission to make him the SOLE dealer of CNG and Wind-Based Electric.

My point is we will eventually need the infrastructure to supply (what is currently) non-traditional energy. Why not get the ball rolling now? As the market demands for Wind-Based Electricity and CNG expand the cost and efficiency of production will decrease and supply will increase. That's a given in any free market.

My point is that everyone is attacking Pickens on the basis that he's out to make as much money as possible as efficiently as possible. DUH!! Let him! We-The-People simply need to point out to him (and our Local, State, and Federal Representatives) that we are NOT willing to fund his escapades with our tax dollars.

T. Boone Pickens, monopolist
So how much you stand to make off this deal Mr Pickens?

Providing you can con enough people to use the government to force your plans on all of us?

Have you ever thought about just placing wind provided electricity on the open market and allow the public the option to buy it?

Guess you think more like JP Morgan to consider a true free market.

You and Marx think a lot alike Mr Pickens

Courtesy Of Taxpayers
T. Boone wants his windmill scheme to be funded by government subsidies. And he'll get profits, if there are any. He want's no risk to himself. Crook.

The biggest wind around...
...is coming out of Mr. Pickens' mouth.

"But I know that there is not enough oil left in the ground or off our coasts to solve this problem. "

Are you a liar, or just stupid?

Mr. Pickens, would you kindly point me to the nearest windmill that has the capability of filling the tank on my car?

Oh, you can't? Then SHUT UP fool.

Go Ahead!
So do it! If it's worth doing, it doesn't need government subsidies. I think you'll find that reliability and transmission problems will plague your wind program.

The only way wind can provide base generation, is by using it to produce hydrogen, which can then provide local base generation. Naturally, this additional step also steps down the economic viability. Work on it.

Ugh!
You present yourself as a realist, but you pick and choose your reality.

Yes, the government is involved. Government involvement is un-Constitutional. Why not end the un-Constituitional activity of government instead of using government to create, or at least perpetuate unlawful activity as Pickens would have us do.

Mr. Pickens could use his money and influence to help us reduce government involvement. Instead he tries to use government to reduce our choices.

He is not trying to help America. He is not trying to help Americans. He is trying to help himself to more wealth. He is welcome to all the wealth he can legally accumulate. But, planning and fostering government control of that which is not legitimately under the purview of government, violates the meaning and intent of the law.

Pickens's plan is self-serving. It may be incidentally complimentary to American interests, but it does not accomplish what should be its main goal.

Why not let the people have the freedom to solve their own problems? You want wind energy, build a windmill. You want more energy, build two windmills and sell the extra power to your neighbor. The only thing that is stopping you, or Pickens from doing just that, is government at every level overreaching its lawful limits .

Boone is right!
If we didn't send $700 billion to foreign countries every year we wouldn't be in this mess!

Torrey, you're a fool.
We get oil for that $700 billion a year. It is not a transfer, it is not a charity. Buying that oil from other countries is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than building wind turbines in the Midwest. If you want more expensive energy more inefficiently supplied, you go for Pickens' Plan. Does everyone remember that the Soviets and Nazis ruined their economies after several government "plans" like these failed miserably?

Ray, get your head out of the sand
Pickens is a businessman unlike WalMart and Home Depot. Those companies make money by selling us goods we voluntarily want to buy. Pickens is begging for government money to make his business adventure profitable. If he was a real business man and not a rent-seeking lobbyist, he would start his plan without government approval.

The fact that he is not building this project without government help proves that it is unworkable and unprofitable on its own. We should not subsidize unprofitable business ventures!

Fake conservatives
Fake conservatives will support any large government program just because it's about those "damn foreigners." Unclog your minds, people! This is just another large, expensive, and unprofitable scheme like farm subsidies or the synfuel program.

If this program is ever implemented, it will cost trillions more than they say it will, it will produce a fraction of the energy they say it will, and it will raise energy costs.

Capitalism works.

Pickens pumped nat gas for cars and
then his wife sold the stock, cashing in. Pelosi had some, too, CLNE. Looks fishy. So does the way he portrayed his plan as being all about alternative energy, then he comes on tv and claims he's about everything, including oil drilling, after making it look like he wasn't.

?????

oil prices
Government controls all offshore oil and all oil on public lands. Politicians will sell leases and keep the money for themselves. They will also tax the lease holders. THAT is all called Communism. We-the-people will have to pay the lease money and the tax money to the lease holders as higher prices for oil products.

If the oil were, instead, designated as "belonging to citizens of the United States", we would all be shareholders of the oil. The domestic oil companies would be hired in the name of the shareholders, and hundreds of billions of dollars of lease fees would not be added to the price of oil products that we would have to pay.

We the shareholders would get the products for the cost of processing plus a small profit to the processors. There would not be any cost to us for crude oil because we already own it, or from speculators, and transportation from foreign countries because it's already here. We would be energy independent.

Replacing all the existing taxes with "One Tax And Done" would remove all the taxes (which we now pay) from the cost of processing and from the price we pay.

Always chose freedom.
Freedom is the only choice that ultimately leads to peach and prosperity.

Ron:
If everybody owns it nobody owns it. Recovery will be more expensive. Distribution will be politically motivated. The product will be wasted just as surely as our taxes are wasted.

The answer, as always is private ownership, private investment, and private profit. Enlightened self-interest is the great provider. Government should not be involved.

Energy and Pickens Plan
T. Boone is correct - we must immediately push toward energy independence. Our oil dependency negatively impacts our: economy, national security, environment, employment, geopolitics, important allies such as Israel, climate change, and national psyche. We need immediate and decisive action for the "all of the above" solutions that the Pickens Plan advocates. A non-partisan effort is required; please join! BHD: http://www.environmentaladvantagelaw.com

PRIORTY UNDERSTOOD
Mr. Pickens must realize that the Democrats were outraged at the taxpayers and voting public for thwarting their plans to control the energy crisis and had no intention of letting that drilling ban lapse, still don't. Now they have set up a new road block in order to avoid the energy bill responsibility and they are calling it the financial crisis, look at the crying, wailing and hysteria on their side but do not fail to notice all those smiles on the faces of the Democrats while trying to sell you this new farce.

The energy problem is paramount, the financial one is not as bad as they think, the big boys that collaborated with the lib leadership need money to keep their mouths shut. What is needed besides a frank talk and plan for action on energy is a much needed talk about ethic, integrity, morality, responsibility and acountibility for those who hold congressional seats, in this area they need to put "their money" were their mouth is, not the tax payers loot or money borrowed from the PRC without public disclosure but their own personal jobs and money to be put on the line.

The American public is getting mighty tired of all hat and no cattle....anyone got a new rope?

Had not government
been taking half the operating capitol of every American business and industry since WWII, we would have all these alternatives. Unfortunately, government did take all this money from our businesses. Giving back a small subsidy to develop anything does not work, because all the details mandated take half the subsidy for bureaucrats. Repeal all existing taxes and replace them with a single proper tax. This will work wonders you can't imagine.

T. Boone is on point
T. Boone has proven in the past that he is obviously a great business man. His business ventures and uncanny ability to understand trends in the oil markets are unmatched. The Pickens Plan is going to make a lot of money, create tons of American jobs(which is really what matters right now) and will ensure our country an energy future which will put us at the forefront of the world.

The huge part of Pickens Plan which needs government help is the construction of transmission lines from the midwest(where the wind turbines will be located) and the rest of the country. This is a huge project! And also something which is long overdue to happen.

It will be an investment in Americas future in pretty much the exact same way that President Eisenhower's Inner state Freeways were an investment which paid off hugely and connected our nation during that time.

We shouldn't be so short sighted. This could be help to our economy, it just takes an initial investment.

homework
I agree with InsightingTruth that we had better do our homework. Why does mister billionaire need our help to lobby the government on his behalf to adopt his plan if it is such a good plan? Since Nancy "no debate" Pelosi and Harry Reid are adamantly for it then this tells me that it's a pig wearing lipstick. Pelosi cozy with Picken's natural gas company is further concern.

I agree with other posters that point out that any good plan can stand on its own in a free market. Government intervention again is the problem. Follow the money. How many times do we have to get burned by government "solutions" before we learn? That housing solution turned out lovely, so I can't wait until the government takes over health care.

There are plenty of sources for good non-biased info, example:

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/series7.aspx
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,428102,00.html

If it looks too good to be true then it usually is.

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THE ABSOLUTELY FUNNIEST JOKE EVER ON US!

I was going to pontificate on several issues today, but I was reminded of something so funny and horrific at the same time, I have decided this is the only message of the day. What was the reason given for developing the Department of Energy during the Carter administration? We have spent multi billions of dollars in support of this agency and I am willing to bet not one person who reads this will remember the reason given. It was very simple.

THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WAS INSTITUTED TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL. NOTE: IN 2008 THE BUDGET FOR THIS DEPARTMENT IS NOW AT 24.2 BILLION A YEAR. THEY HAVE 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES.

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InsightingTruth #5
I was talking about private ownership by the 300 million of us. That means that we each have a vote in what is done with OUR oil, and the pols have no say beyond their 1/300,000,000 shares.

The present situation is that 300 million Americans telling 535 politicians to "Drill Here Drill Now" results in their sticking up their middle fingers and saying, "Screw you. This isn't your oil. It's ours. We don't care what you want".

Ron:
Sorry, that will never work. That is essentially what we have now. It does not work. It has never worked, anywhere, anytime. It will never work.

Pickens' Snake Oil
LouiseLouise @ 1:13 PM and others have it right:

Pickens is selling the American taxpayer snakeoil. He's using emotional, not business, arguments to try to further his scam.

Remember the corporate raider that Pickens was? Hostile takeover, gut the assets of the company, then sell it.

Pickens wants government (taxpayer) subsidies to construct windmills. How is my PU truck going to run on windmill power? It won't. It uses gasoline. Where does ANYONE by CNG for a motor vehicle? Nowhere. Besides, I don't have the cash to run out and buy a $40,000 truck.

Pickens and Pelosi are running a scam on the American citizens. Do NOT buy into it.


Definite Scam by Pickens and Pelosi
Punch my name and read the article "In the Tank for Renewable Energy".

Pelosi and the Democrats have bought controling interest in "CLNE". The original name of this company was "Pickens Fuel", so named after the company’s primary investor, T. Boone Pickens.

Piickens "smells" that Americans are desperate and he is trying to sell them the "snake oil".

Pelosi and the Democrats are trying to force passage of Proposition 10 in California and the "Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act" in the US Congress. Both bills will do nothing more than put money in the Democrats' pockets and make Pickens another "Bill Gates".

WE MUST DRILL AND PRODUCE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS ENERGY CRISIS! And we must start building nuclear plants and refrineries like there is no tomorrow. Because if we don't, there will not be a tomorrow.

Yo, TBone
In your commercials, you state you can do all this with PRIVATE investment.. WELL GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND DO IT ALREADY. Leave me and my tax dollars ALONE!!!

I can just see us bailing your boney butte out in a few years after you fail.

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Vic is on to something
I hadn't thought about water rights which are going to be increasingly important.

The whole notion of needing the government to force the issue because of national security stinks to high heaven. If it makes so much sense, the market will do it. But, fleets have been running on Propane and other alternative fuels for years already. It hasn't quite caught on. Hmm. I wonder why.

By all means lower the barriers to conducting any kind of business. Drill everywhere. Build nuclear power plants. In short, let the market satisfy our energy needs the way God intended it. Having the government determine the program for any reason is just more of the same socialist crap that will reduce per capita GDP instead of raising it.

Yo, folks
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It's apparent that TB pickens is in this to make money. It's also apparrent that major political figures are doing the same and screw the public.

What's less obvious is that the constitution is little more nowadays than what you might find in a box of Cracker Jacks.
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T Boone is incorrect in several areas
One, the current House energy "plan" is a sham. It only apparently opens up off-shore drilling by setting a no-drill zone close to the coast where the large deposits of oil are most likely to be found. It requires more infrastructure for drilling platforms and wells and is more likely to come up dry than with oil.

Second, ANWR has never been explored, not even by sonar testing (except for a tiny study of a tiny area back when the technology was not as good as it is today). Alaskan geologists say the typology of the surface is an indicator for hugh oil reserves equal to if not greater than Prudhoe, but we won't know and can't know until real exploration has been done -- which the House bill completely ignored.

The Senate is likely to deadlock on their version of this bill, throwing it into Cheny's lap and let us hope he has better sense than to let it pass because it obligates this country to DECADES more dependence on foreign energy sources.

I like the idea of diversification of domestic energy, but unless we get our heads out of the sand and actual drill for oil in the US WHERE THE OIL ACTUALLY IS we are just wasting our time and we will still be importing necessary, irreplaceable oil from overseas a decade from now.

I don't know who bought this guy off or if maybe he's just getting dotty, but that's the real truth based upon conversations I've had with real petroleum engineers.

Rewinding our watch to the new hour
They had 50 years to drill before it was banned. Funding for alternative energy AND SECURING OUR WATER RESOURCES (WHICH I THINK IS A BIT MORE IMPORTANT SINCE W/O WATER WE WILL DIE) has been sharply decreased b/c we can't afford it. These big oil companies spend so much on commercials highlighting their 'green research and development', and at the same time missed the biggest domestic gas plays in our history... I don't think they need more govt cash to do their research... our priorities should be about the resources at our fingertips... natural gas.

Boone, you are right... but can you do it cheaper? (Since we are beyond broke due to the evil of our greedy bankers and brokers)

Boone For President
Thank you, Boone, for doing this for us. You've hit on the heart of the matter. Independence will increase our national security because we will no longer have to "rub it in" on the SORE SPOTS, places where the Muslims do not appreciate our presence, our threats to their way of life. We need to let Islam be Islam. We need to get out of the Arabian Peninsula, for starters.

Sorry Mr. Pickens
Anyone who tramples private property rights with eminent domain power(purchased through campaign contributions) to further a monopoly, like water, should not be and must not be taken seriously in matters of public policy.

Its astonishing how the media promotes and protects the worst in this country. I can't think of a news channel this fraud hasn't been on. Why he even has a forum to speak here at Townhall, is rather depressing, I thought this site was better than that.

T. Boone Pickens

I agree with you that we need alternate forms of energy. I agree with you that these alternate forms of energy must be developed.

Here's a no-brainer idea for you... Do your R&D on your dime and then make a fortune selling it to me. Keep the government out of it. That way, if I don't like your product, I can refuse to buy it.

Currently, I have read that Nancy Pelosi is heavily invested in your alternate energy. If that is the case, then what we have is a conflict of interest on her part. What is best for her pocketbook may not be best for mine.

Do not mix private interests with public moneys.

Things that need to be considered part I
In my previous submission I messed up and only part of what I wrote was on it. Please do not post it. Here is the full thing.

Issue #1 T.Boone Pickens and certain other people stand to make a fortune off this.

Answer:
Whether T. B Pickens or any other random person in the US profits off this is not the concern. The concern is whether this will be affective or not. You also need to consider that this is his opinion of what needs be done in this country so it makes since he is investing his money in what he believes needs to be done. While its true that people can make money off of investing into something. It is also true that people invest money into what they believe in. In situations like this, it is important to realize what is really the case. It actually a good thing for people like him to buy up the land used because it will keep those that do not want this change from buying up the land first and then refusing to put wind farms on there land.

Issue #2 The power this gives is not stable since there isn't a way to store it.

Answer:
This was calculated as about 20% of the US power when completely implemented. That is far from 100%. Other energy sources that will be used that are much better at delivering energy 24/7 will have to address this issue.

Issues # 3 Invading others personal property.

Answer:
If the land that is needed is owned by someone else and they are unwilling to let others buy it for this use then an alternative would be to lease the land from them. If that is not possible then other land will have to be utilized. Every plan has an implementation snag this is this plans snag

Things to consider part II
Issue # 4 It would take a long time to implement natural gas suppliers all over the US for the average citizen.

Answer:
That is why it was suggestion to start off with fleets of vehicles used by businesses since they return to the same spot every day and you can put a natural gas supply station to cover many vehicles. When this is implemented, it needs to be done in an efficient way that can minimize the total number of pumps needed.

Other things that need to be considered: 20% is still only a small portion of the US energy if you realized that replacements for close to 100% needs to be considered. It was said that we have only 200 years of fossil fuels but these fossils fuels have to last much longer then 200 years. They have to last for the many trillion of years it takes to make them. This is why I see replacing oil with natural gas as only a temporary solution. What needs to be done in the long term is to use a source of energy to manufacture something that vehicles can use. This is why I see fuel cell powered, battery power, solar cell powered hybrids as what needs to be done in the future. Compressed air also caught my attention though.

Thoughts on Biodiesel: It is know that this can be grown but a bigger question is how much should be grown. If you were to look at how much biodiesel it would take to replace all the oil used for driving and how much land that would take, that is a large portion of land. Using that much land for biodiesel would significantly increase food prices. This is why biodiesel should only be used for things that cannot use better alternative energy sources. What needs to be done is to maximize the production of bio diesel obtain by using other businesses wasted. This includes oils that are thrown out in restaurants all over the US.

Things to Consider Part III
Issue with Pickens Plan: It only covers one aspect of the total change that needs to be done. Since this plan has become well know in name, he needs to use that popularity to address other changes that will have to be made. I realize plans can only be implemented one step at a time and this is a great first step, however he should be researching into a second step and so on because if no one does it, it will never get done.

Things to Consider Ending Note
Would it be possible to get your email address T. Boone Picken so I can talk with you more about this plan.

NG Filling Stations
are alive and well in California. Most state and local govt vehicles use CNG. Most of our buses use CNG. We also have a lot of windmills in CA. Texas has even more windmills than CA.

And no, the windmills don't kill birds any more. The old style did, because they had cross-bars where the birds sat while watching for a gopher to walk by. The new ones have monopole support, and no cross bars. End of bird problem.

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Those windmills are beautiful...just ask me!

T. Boone is a great American, as I have written on these forums before. So what if he makes money? And to the Wal-Mart crapola above, yes, they get government subsidies in the form of tax breaks to build their stores. So do lots of businesses...it is a common practice to lure a big tax-payer to a community.

So, lay off T. Boone for that one.

His plan is viable, working right now in CA, and has been working for years.

CA has many problems, but we are living proof that generating wind-power and using CNG for transportation works. And it saves money. And reduces oil demand.

Roger E. Sowell
Marina del Rey

Natural gas
We live in the Marcellus shale formation where there is supposed to be huge quantities of natural gas. We signed with a gas company 3 years ago and we are still waiting to be in a unit with a well. There was a well one mile from us but they put it there by mistake so disassembled the whole rig and moved it to another location. The regulations about water useage are really strict so this slows everything down. The DEP in New York state put a halt on all drilling in the Marcellus shale. We have natural gas but will not have it in production for a long time at the rate things are going.

T. Bone Pickens
I find it quite comical that you are pushing this wind power like you are doing the country a favor. You hold oil holdings so if we drill, you make big bucks, if we do the wind thing, you make big bucks, I also believe you have holdings in natural gas so you make big bucks off that too. Isn't that handy?

Mr. Pickens,
I agree with the idea of removing our dependence on foreign oil, but I've seen in my own community the same people who say the same thing turn around and become NIMBY's when someone suggests we play a part in the solution. I live in the windy section of the central U.S., and every time a wind farm is proposed people in the "community" oppose it due to ridiculous reasons such as the noise the spinning blades and turbines make (which out in the open country only a had full of people may ever have to hear) or the impact the spinning blades have on birds if they fly to close.

Democrats and some Republicans who lean liberal are holding us back from making short term use of the domestic oil we have as a bridge to when other cleaner fuels or power supplies are technologically viable and in place, but environmentalists and NIMBY's are holding back the longer term solutions.

We need to mobilize an education and anti-environmentalist campaign to fight the environmentalists and NIMBY's actions to stop the solutions from being put in place.

Oil/Gas
I agree that we need an energy plan for exploration for domestic oil/gas supplies and alternative energy sources.

Tell me how oil recovered in this country would be cheaper than foreign sources. The international corporations will sell at the world price, right? I think congress should mandate that all oil found here cannot be sold abroad.

methane
methane gas from one cow can supply enough gas to light gas lamps for a house. with allthe cows in feed lots with the manure being a problem to get rid of why cant we trap this gas and use it

cheaper more accessible alternatives
We need to create a way for the Walmarts and Home Depots of the world to provide alternatevie energy "kits". These kits could be as simple as CFLs of LED lighting, weather stripping, programmable therostats. Other "kits" may contain low cost self installing solar or wind. Perhaps a device that can be plugged in to your existing electrical system to supplement the total energy drain off the grid. The devices must be inexpensive so that people don't have to wait 15 years for it pay for itself. one small solar panel may be inconsequential, however, 10 million may actually be meaningful

Think about this
There is another consideration regarding alternate fuels: has anyone here considered the fact that "alternate fuels" mean giving up our freedom of movement -- i.e. travel by car? That is something that I am NOT prepared to give up.

Big Bro mandates 20 different blends of gasoline for different regions and that fact serves to increase the price at the pump. How many new refineries have been built? I can count them on one finger. However, Gasoline and Diesel are still the most efficient fuels for travel.

Biden, in his debate with Sarah Oalin, declared that "global warming" is entitely man-made. What planet does he live on? One volcanic eruption puts out more pollution than everything humanity has done -- combined -- since people have been on Earth. The mercury in swordfish pre-dates the use of mercury; ergo, the mercury came from the volcanoes.

Alternate fuels are a great idea but will not becoma a reality any time soon. Windmills are nice unless you are a bird and the ones we see are not very efficient. The Darreus is better but needs a starter when the wind starts. Ethyl alcohol contains water and is corrosive; it can't be shipped by pipeline. Also, like alcohol, there will not be any infracture like the gas statations in my lifetime. The BTU content of alcohol is not satisfactory in any case.

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