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Friday, June 12, 2009
Suzanne Fields :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Bad Week for Old Blighty
by Suzanne Fields
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LONDON -- This is not Britain's finest hour. The expense-account scandal has exposed rot at the core of the Parliament, where greedy members abused their perks to use taxpayer largess to, among other things, clean out a moat, remodel a second home, build a swimming pool and furnish private homes with luxury furniture that constituents would never see. The distinguished members merely followed the example of Willie Sutton, the famous American bank robber. They robbed the public till because that's where the money was.

Queen Elizabeth II, who repaired and drove Army trucks when she was a young princess during World War II, was not invited to the 65th anniversary commemoration of D-Day on the Normandy beaches. Neither was Prince Phillip, who served in sea battles in the Mediterranean.

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The queen was snubbed by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who didn't want the commemoration to become "an Anglo-American occasion" and wanted to walk side-by-side with President Obama. Gordon Brown, the British prime minister, who in his remarks referred to Omaha Beach as "Obama Beach," had his dreams of being seen strolling with the popular American president. The heads of state -- none of whom has ever been near actual combat -- finally sent Prince Charles a last-minute invitation.

The queen was gracious, as usual, and her spokesman said she "never expressed any anger or frustration" over the snub. But everybody knew better. When the London newspapers reported she was "enraged," Buckingham Palace took pains not to deny it.

If our cousins are angry over the shabby treatment of the queen, they're absolutely ashamed of the pop-culture mavens who humiliated Susan Boyle, before and after her stunningly talented takes on the television show "Britain's Got Talent."

Like the queen, the diminished diva showed grace under pressure. "The best people won," she said of the dance troupe that edged her unexpectedly. "They're very entertaining. Lads, I wish you all the best." Then she went to a hospital for treatment of what sounded like a nervous breakdown.

That spinning noise in the graveyard is coming from Winston Churchill's crypt. "My tastes are simple," he once said. "I am easily satisfied with the best." The British are suffering wounded pride over their status as a second-rate power, embracing "unwisdom," a word coined by Churchill in another context. And if the greatest Englishman of them all were to populate a play with the characters now parading across the political stage, he would have to make it low comedy, or farce. A biopic of the prime minister would have to be called "Brownfall."

Alas, the politicians are not alone in their shoddiness. The public fixation on "reality shows" -- all show and not much reality -- colors a popular sensibility of narcissism that merely spills into the political arena. But the politicians are determined to say or do anything not to get thrown off the island.

After voters trounced the Labor Party last week in elections to local councils and the European Parliament, Gordon Brown's colleagues began demanding his head. Some of the most flattering descriptions called him "a dead man walking" or (my favorite) a "corpse that twitches." But even his critics concede there's nobody in his Cabinet prepared to take over for him.

"The would-be assassins have proved more indecisive and chaotic than the king that would be killed," declared Andrew Rawnsley in the Sunday Observer. Brown, even in such a mauled condition, remains heads, shoulders and strategies above anyone else in his Cabinet. Brown is still regarded by many as the best man to lead during the economic crisis. His bank-rescue program set the pattern for Berlin, Paris and Washington. If it all works -- by no means certain, over here or back there -- he might be a hero again.

The Conservatives can hardly gloat. Not yet. David Cameron, the Tory leader, is no Margaret Thatcher, and in the next parliamentary elections, which must be held within a year, he'll be regarded as less Tory tough than Tory lite.

Besides, Brown insists he's not "walking away" from No. 10 Downing St. Too bad for him "walking" is the operative word this week in London. A strike shut down the Underground, multiplying the pain of high unemployment and other recession worries for subway riders.

There was one bright spot for Londoners, and even that was imported. A few Londoners got a kick from seeing Michelle Obama walk into a pub in upscale Mayfair with daughters Malia and Sasha, who ordered fish and chips. They took tea with the prime minister's wife. The English have a long history of finding things to brighten their spirits where and when they can.

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Let hear your geography smarts
"A few Londoners got a kick from seeing Michelle Obama walk into a pub in upscale Mayfair with daughters Malia and Sasha, who ordered fish and chips. They took tea with the prime minister's wife."

Well firstly 99% were completely uninterested in Michelle Obama. Secondly LONDONERS....jeez, you do know that there are other places than London dont you? Go on...get a map out.

Suzanne Fields Look To Your Own!
Yes we've got a few issues. So what?

Yes the french decided for political reasons to write out our efforts to free them from Nazi occupation. That says lots about the French, not us. Next time we'll stay at home.

Susan Boyle??? Erm who cares.

However we are doing something about it. We, very soon, will have a right of centre government.

You on the other hand have a left leaning government and a debt level that makes our look like pocket change.

You say: "The British are suffering wounded pride over their status as a second-rate power". what exactly does this mean? Are you aware in your US patented geographically simpleton way that we are the size or Maryland? And are still a top economy. I dont think that is a bad effort, dont think your economy of scale makes you pound for pound superior to us.

I'd concentrate on your issues if I were you.

Apologies For Not Replying...
...sooner, we have been having some uncharacteristically good weather here in Blighty so I haven't been on my computer. I wasn't really referring to any particular time in history regarding Muslims, I was just being a bit of a smartarse as people on this site seem to blame all of societies ills on Muslims. Tea Party, would I be correct in assuming that your relatives who were proud Brits would have been voting BNP? If so that is the sort of patriotism we could do without thank you very much. Also I'm not anti gun, just never quite understood the US obsession with them.

No 'problem', Stephen. Just the usual..


MellorSJ2 writes: “Here's the problem scott - I don't really care.”


Then you concede that you are not even making the pretense of replying in good faith?


~~~


MellorSJ2 writes: “I'm just not inclined to let you get away with anything.”


I’m not at all concerned with you think you are (or are not) “inclined” to let me do; I will make my case in the manner of my own choosing, and you will either be able to attack it successfully, or you won’t.

You can play word games and attempt to score technical points while avoiding the substance of the discussion to your heart’s content. I am more than satisfied that anyone reading along will see through your diversionary tactics and see that you have not presented any argument or rebuttal at all.


~~~


MellorSJ2 writes: “And since you appear not to be pulling your usual schtick(*) (which is amazing in itself), and I have no inclination to answer open-ended questions regarding a subject in which I have no interest, well, you'll have to bother vespanat.”


Translation: Stephen throws vespanat ‘under the bus’ in order to cover his own tactical retreat (nice job!)


~~~


MellorSJ2 writes: “But I will be watching. That (*) is for a footnote.”


Don’t forget to use your good eye (*). And thanks for the explanation, I used an asterisk for my own footnote in return:


(*) Whatever floats your boat… knock yourself out!


Scott Reply #2
Regarding what Muslims have contributed to England...According to Obama the Muslims were responsible for the arch and the spire. And all this time I was thinking it was the Romans who brought those things to Merry Old England long before there was a Muslim religion. And if the Brits use algebra, according to the Bamster, the Muslims also invented that. If purfesser Obama had bothered to google, he would have discovered that it was the ancient Babylonians who gave us this mind-bending system of symbolism and terminology that only certain minds can comprehend (but I digress)... I'm with Scott. Someone post some positive contributions that the Muslims have made to humanity -- not in the ancient past -- but today, now.

Here's the problem scott

I don't really care. I'm just not inclined to let you get away with anything.

And since you appear not to be pulling your usual schtick(*) (which is amazing in itself), and I have no inclination to answer open-ended questions regarding a subject in which I have no interest, well, you'll have to bother vespanat.

But I will be watching. That (*) is for a footnote.

(*) Yet...

Stephen Mellor - why is that?


Stephen Mellor writes: "Now, if we want to talk about 'context', the favorite escape route of the obfuscator, let's be clear. Scott intended--as he always does--to promote xianity over islam."


I wasn't talking about either Christianity or Islam, I was simply countering vespanat's negative implication and putting the ball back in his (or her?) court.

He (or she) pre-emptively assumed (accused) people who might participate in this Thread of blaming Muslims for "Britains decline", so I countered by asking vespanat to take the opposite side of the proposition, and tell us "...all of the many positive things Muslims have done...".

It is certainly a fair and legitimate request, and for all I know, there may be many positive things Muslims have brought to Britain in recent years.

I don't know what they might be, and I suspected vespanat didn't either, but I am certainly prepared to accept positive Muslim contributions to modern Great Britain if there be any.

So I asked.

I have received no reply from vespanat, and only a non-responsive reply from you regarding ancient times, and still NO ONE has been willing or able to give what certainly ought to be many examples of positive contributions that Muslims and Muslim ‘culture’ has brought to Great Britain.

Why is that?

Why do you think that is?



MellorSJ2 - why the dishonesty?

Why the intellectual dishonesty?

Okay Stephen, we'll review the facts and the whole quotes.

vespanat wrote: "I'm sure it won't be long until someone post a comment blaming Britains perceived decline on the Muslims though."


Do you suppose vespanat is talking about the "Britains perceived decline" in the 1500s or earlier, or do you suppose vespanat is talking about "Britains perceived decline" in recent times, given the massive Muslim immigration into Europe in recent years?

No games, no "gotcha", just a simple question. If you think vespanat was talking about ancient times, then clearly your comments are applicable.

But if not, if vespanat was referring to modern/recent times, then just as clearly, your comments were non-responsive.




You also conveniently cut off the end of my own quote, because in doing so it helps you to lessen the modern-times aspect of the context. Here is my quote in its entirety:


Scott wrote: "While you're waiting for that to happen, why don't you pre-empt such negativity by recounting all of the many positive things Muslims have done and brought to Europe in general, and to Great Britain in particular?"


You cut off "and to Great Britain in particular?", which was a primary element of vespanat's original post to which I responded ("I'm sure it won't be long until someone post a comment blaming Britains perceived decline on the Muslims though." -vespanat, post #1)


If vespanat was referring to *ancient* Britain, I invite him (or her?) to say so and settle the matter.


In the meantime, please go ahead and list all of the many modern positive contributions Muslims have brought to Great Britain, if you can think of any...


Silly Scott (and, sorry to say, tgw)

Both xianity and islam, in the end, destroy their civilizations for the simple reason that they move from learning about the 'face of god' to irrational argumentation about doctrine. Luckily for the west, we have the Enlightenment.

Where the UK has gone wrong is just as the author said: Letting in too many people that are infected by the sky-pixie bug.

And, incredible as it may seem, what Joel de Loser opined, namely socialism.

Put the two together and you get the Archbishop of Canterbury, the sanctimonious little twerp.

Place the values of the Enlightenment (self-reliance and rationalism) back on top and you get what we want. And what America was.

Sigh.

Silly Scott (and, sorry to say, tgw)

As you are all aware, the question was "While you're waiting for that to happen, why don't you pre-empt such negativity by recounting all of the many positive things Muslims have done and brought to Europe in general..."

I answered that. Truthfully and correctly. Sorry you don't like the facts.

Now, if we want to talk about 'context', the favorite escape route of the obfuscator, let's be clear. Scott intended--as he always does--to promote xianity over islam.

I have no desire to defend islam. Quite the opposite, in fact. But I can't deny that their civilization, like xianity, has produced some wonders.




Mellor...
I tire of people bragging about the great history of Islamic civilization.

When the Muslims took over the Middle East, they took over the oldest civilization in the world. Yes, during the first part of the Middle Ages, the Middle East was the most civilized place in the world, with the possible exception of China. But that was a continuation of the oldest civilization on earth. It wasn't a new creation by Islam.

What Islam has managed to do is reduce the oldest civilization on earth to mud-hutsville. Meanwhile, Christian Europe, which had been far less civilized than the Middle East, surpassed that formerly most-civilized part of the world by every reasonable measure -- science, art, music, architecture, philosophy, politics, you name it -- during the high middle ages and has given us the modern world as we know it.

If you would like a contemporary example of what Islam does, compare India and Pakistan. Both were part of historic "India" and both became free of British imperial rule at the same time. India is a burgeoning economic and military power; Pakistan is pretty much a failed state and is descending ever more into mud-hutsville. The difference between the two states? You may argue anything you want, but the real difference is spelled I-s-l-a-m.

Corndog
In case you should check back, good luck at the gun show.

My L1A1 is a British top, mated long ago by Century Arms to a metric bottom. I bought it more of an investment than anything, but its a fun shooter. Haven't had a bobble yet.

MellorSJ2 - intentionally dodging?


MellorSJ2 writes: "Shall we start at A?

Alhambra (the Nazrid palaces)
Astronomy (huge advances in the 10thC
Algebra

etc etc

My 'favorite' is Cordoba cathedral totally trashed by naff xians in the 15thC"



But Stephen, the context of vespanat's comment was clearly and unmistakably regarding the massive modern influx of Muslims to Europe (and Britain specifically), not the ancient contribution of algebra...

And you know it...


OFF TOPIC ALERT

This is a personal note to my good buddy PISTOL, so if you're not interested please skip.

I haven't picked up the SAIGA 12 yet. Headed to a gun show tomorrow. Maybe then.

Congrats on the L1A1. Commonwealth model I take it? Keep stockpiling or we'll end up like the Brits.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled postings.

Andrew: Not really the problem

"Trouble is, he is about as voter and television-friendly as a pitbull."

This is certainly the case, but the real issue is that he really has no program except extending his reach further and further over our lives. As such, any explanation of his plans is a compendium of Punch and Judy antics, commissions to hide culpability, and "solutions" to nonexistent "problems.

Just this week, his government has decided to send "social workers" to homeschools to ensure no child abuse is going on. Since his government is incapable of preventing abuse in state-run nurseries, what would make him think that it would make a difference in this case?

And what makes him think that abuse (if it's happening at all) is limited to school hours? Are parents who send their children to state schools immune from it?

Go, Gordon. And take the Labour Party with you.

Enjoyed that...
As one of Townhall's resident liberals and Brits it has been a long time since I read something that I genuinely enjoyed. Suzanne Fields clearly understands us Brits and Britain.
As for Gordon Brown, for better or for worse he will be replaced by Cameron within a year. I think Brown is an intellectual heavyweight, as well equipped as anyone on the world stage to understand and tackle our global economic woes. Trouble is, he is about as voter and television-friendly as a pitbull. A bit like Neil Kinnock - all right, not in the same intellectual league as Brown, but British voters were never going to vote en masse for a ginger Welshman.
I miss home...

Sorry Vespanet
if I got a tad snarky but if you've lived here long enough you can see there are a lot of not so happy campers who are watching our Republic being stolen bit by bit by the magicmessiah and his cabal of criminal in his administration, the Congress and Judiciary.

You guys figuratively speaking, shot yourselves in the foot when you allowed the politicians to confiscate your weapons. Now you must meekly abide by the tyranny of the invading horde of enemies. There's a large segment of our society that won't let that happen very easily; in fact if you check it out you will see that arms and ammo sales grew exponentially since the nomination of the magicmessiah and his 'questionable' election and legitimacy a la
Natural Born Citizen.
And I truly grieve for the England my family taught me to love..they were so proud of England in the War. My mothers parents came over in '23 to work in my hometown textile mill.
My Dads came over in the 1880's so I wasn't as close to them but my mothers family were the ones I'm talking about.
England like the U.S.'s biggest mistake was forgetting it's Judeo/Christian heritage, that forgetfulness paved the way for the invasion you are suffering from.

Tea Party
I went back and re-read Vespanat's posts and saw no evidence of surrender monkey. His classical understatment left me with little inkling of his political posture. He dislikes firearms, a British blindspot, but so common as to not be the litmus test it is for me over here. Cut the newbie a little slack, at least until he makes his politics clear.

Vespanet
What kind of a Brit are you anyway? My Goodness, you'd not want to be around my family with that attitude..they were PROUD BRITS..and they made me proud of my heritage. We had British Sailors staying with our family when they pulled into Boston for the Lendlease program, they did the dangerous North Atlantic Convoy run. They'd probably knock your block off for being a gutless wonder.

Joel, well said. I grieve and pray for the land of my ancestors but there's not too much hope if all the modern Brits have the attitude of Vespatootie. Political Correctness and multiculturalism are the death of nations.
Vespatootie and his ilk have brought shame on
England because they have become surrender monkeys, surrendering without firing a shot.

I wonder
when our scandal will be revealed, of course the Brits do have a working press whereas we have a congregation of worshipping disciples posing as the press.

Vespanat
Welcome to the colonies, and a happy good morning.

Let me apologize for the off topic post. I was responding to a remark Corndog made a couple days ago, to which i did not get a reply.

During earlier days i spent quite a bit of time on Ascension Island, and British possessions in the Caribbean. Since i am a happy drunk, i got on very well. I saw more than one fellow get the social cold shoulder when he failed to pass the shloshed test.

I make no apology for my firearms collection. Its worth many times what i paid for it. And somehow, every 20 or 30 years, they come in handy.

I am
first generation American on my mothers side and second on my Dads of English descent and there's nothing about either of the two Obama's that brightens my spirit.

Could it be that the Queen and Prince Phillip were not invited because they would upstage
the 'god above the world's' which would never do. We all know 'tin gods' are above mere Queens and Princes'. And Sarkozy gets the blame..uh huh..bridge for sale.

And Now The Topics Changed...
...to guns!!! Blimey, I know you chaps love them but that's surely a little off subject?!?!

Corndog
Did you ever pick up that Saiga 12? Something else? I lucked up on an old L1A1 parts gun last year. Even has wood stocks. Shoots great. I like it so much my next purchase will likely be the DSA version with folding stock.

Apologies Chaps...
...this seems to have developed into a debate about Islam, pretty much all my fault too!!

Not the question, john mccain

Nor is your new one relevant.

Mellor, the Village idiot, reads Wiki
I am going to give another chance. Can you come up with anything positive that Islamic Arabs contributed to the society after the Middle Ages?

Silly corndog

They're both sky-pixie people, and as bad as one another. Once you throw rationality out the window, anything can be justified in the name of the sky pixie.


Chuck writes

"This is why I always read Suzanne Fields."

Because you like a collection of disconnected anecdotes without any point or purpose? Or is there something else?

One thing I will say for this article: It's mostly true. And that is a remarkable on ToonHall.

Next, the B's

MellorSJ2 Responds to Scott:

"While you're waiting for that to happen, why don't you pre-empt such negativity by recounting all of the many positive things Muslims have done and brought to Europe in general, and to Great Britain in particular?"

Shall we start at A?

Alhambra (the Nazrid palaces)
Astronomy (huge advances in the 10thC
Algebra

And on to the B's:

Burkas
Bomb Vests
Beheading Infidels

Scott writes

"While you're waiting for that to happen, why don't you pre-empt such negativity by recounting all of the many positive things Muslims have done and brought to Europe in general, and to Great Britain in particular?"

Shall we start at A?

Alhambra (the Nazrid palaces)
Astronomy (huge advances in the 10thC
Algebra

etc etc

My 'favorite' is Cordoba cathedral totally trashed by naff xians in the 15thC




This is why
I always read Suzanne Fields.

Well I Suppose One Could Argue...
...that Blightys current economic woes are due in part to the US downturn effect on the world economy but that might be churlish.
In answer to Scott, aside from the actions of a few maniacs I don't see the Muslims have harmed or contributed to the UK any more or less than any other sector of UK society, and as anyone who knows anything about Britain could tell you we love our curry!!! There are some problems with integration which I would blame on misguided multi-culturalist policies in the 70s and 80s. Muslims are the current scapegoat but by no means a major contributor to UK societies ills.

Vespanat

"I'm sure it won't be long until someone post a comment blaming Britains perceived decline on the Muslims though."

And I'm standing-by waiting for the first idiot troll to blame Bush.

vespanat - while you're waiting...


vespanat writes: "I'm sure it won't be long until someone post a comment blaming Britains perceived decline on the Muslims though."


While you're waiting for that to happen, why don't you pre-empt such negativity by recounting all of the many positive things Muslims have done and brought to Europe in general, and to Great Britain in particular?


Not A Bad Article That...
...a far more insightful treatise on Blighty that I have come to expect on these pages. I'm sure it won't be long until someone post a comment blaming Britains perceived decline on the Muslims though.
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