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Monday, March 05, 2007
Suzanne Fields :: Townhall.com Columnist
Moving away from make-believe
by Suzanne Fields
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The movies aren't what they used to be. Hollywood still imagines that it's the center of the cosmos, but the movies, politically correct as they have become (think Al Gore's Oscar for a slide show), don't move us as they once did.

A friend of mine once won an Oscar for a documentary -- a real one, not propaganda -- and for a while she carried it around in her handbag. When she was told to wait at the bar for a restaurant table, she often popped it out and set it on the bar. A good table materialized like magic. Oscar got respect even when she didn't.

But even Oscar ain't what he used to be. Academy Awards night has come and gone, and mostly what we remember are the ladies' gowns. Movie stars are no longer the icons of yesteryear, and they're often known more for their romantic liaisons, their rap sheets and their half-baked political opinions than for their work on the silver screen. The days of the divas, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyck, have vanished. (Meryl Streep still has a reasonable facsimile of their aura.)

"Before demographics became the marketing mantra, the movies were the art of the middle," writes Neal Gabler in the Los Angeles Times. "They provided a common experience and language -- a sense of unity. In the dark we were one." That's dying, too. The old movie houses, with their elaborate chandeliers and rococo architecture, were secular cathedrals for a classless society. Nearly everyone could afford the price of a ticket, and whole families and different generations were entertained together. Dinner table conversation was often about the latest feature at the Rialto or the Tivoli.

Not every movie was wholesome, but parents readily assumed responsibility for gatekeeping. Children watched what their parents thought they should see. The stars often failed to live up to an idealized image off screen, but the studios protected the public from off-screen antics. A star couldn't even pop down to the supermarket until she was properly coiffed, her outfit stylish and her nails immaculate. No gym suit or ugly shoes for her.

Movies gave voice to common moral standards that were imbedded in the drama. Partisan politics was shunned. "If you want to send a message," Jack Warner (or maybe it was Sam Goldwyn) famously told his producers, "go to Western Union." Content today has splintered audiences into age groups, and politically correct messages have often replaced a good story. The change in the movies, however, may account less for declining audiences than competing alternatives readily available on the Internet.

It's possible (and addictive) to sit for hours in front of a small screen, but what's offered comes in snippets and fragments, and competing dribs and drabs are just a click away, shrinking attention spans. There's nevertheless a reluctance to leave the creature comforts of home and office to go out for an expensive movie: "I'll wait for the video."

Even before the birth of the Internet, Marshall McLuhan reckoned the medium was the message, that (SET ITAL) how (END ITAL) we looked determined what we saw. Everything has sped up, and consciousness exceeds the speed limit, too. If movies link the separate frames of images into sustained narratives, the Internet separates those frames with disjointed data to create an intellectual blizzard of competing ideas. While much of the information can be useful, the appeal to the imagination and empathy is limited.

Personal blogs and websites fast-feed the appetite, suggesting that we know more than we actually know, misleading us to imagine we understand more than we really understand. Sympathies are shallow and synthetic. When a fan once told Cary Grant, "I wish I could be Cary Grant," he replied: "I do, too." The debonair man of the screen was carefully scripted.

Viewers of YouTube and MySpace don't want to be the people they watch -- they're usually not that dumb, and they don't have enough talent to imitate even if they were -- but viewers think they know them, and this naturally makes exhibitionists feel important. Personal identity and social intimacy are sacrificed to public presentation. To paraphrase Descartes, "I show, therefore I am."

Taste and technology threaten the psychological pleasures movies once afforded, and the shortened attention span, image fragmentation and celebration of the self aren't likely to sustain what we've affectionately known as the movies. And Al Gore is back lecturing about the gloom and doom of global warming at Middle Tennessee State University.

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Interesting comment
"Personal blogs and websites fast-feed the appetite, suggesting that we know more than we actually know, misleading us to imagine we understand more than we really understand. Sympathies are shallow and synthetic."

So as a blogger, I am producing intellectual fast food, a product that is neither intellectually nutritious nor terribly healthy. You almost seem to be saying that by maintaining a blog, website, myspace page, or any other "fast food" source, we are cheapening American society.

You start off saying that Hollywood used to be larger than life, now it is a sad parody of life because the "Stars of the Silver Screen" have ceased to attempt to bring us together and have begun to lecture us about who we should be. Then you say that the quality of films and activism of actors may be less the problem than the "cheaper less nutritious alternatives" available via the internet. Then you question whether this internet entertainment shortens attention span and reduces empathy.

Fascinating article, though I don't quite understand the point you are aiming at. Perhaps this is because I have high intellectual cholesterol from all of that fast food I consume.

TCM
Might explain why we watch Turner Classic Movies so much of our TV time.

NAW!
History Channel is where it's at.

TCM is run by that lame socialist Ted.

Everything's Dumbing Down
I'm old enough to remember when both going to church and travelling by air were occasions to dress carefully and enjoy the society of others with class. (In fact I'm old enough to remember when Sabena had pullman style bunks in First Class). Children learned to be ladies and gentlemen on occasions such as these, and they also learned that the way you dressed and comported yourself changed when you entered certain places. Today if you look around even the largest and most beautiful churches, you will see that most of the people are dressed for jogging and if there are teenagers in the audience they may well be text messaging. Airlines have turned into cattle cars and most of the passengers are in jogging suits and sneakers or other ratty clothing and their manners and behaviour is according.

Once a year we went to Paramus, NJ for our school clothes and everyone we met in the big department stores was dressed -- the older ladies in hats and gloves. Mama worked hard in a factory all day, but before we went grocery shopping at night, she put on a dress and stockings.

And why have the movies, the airlines, the grocery stores and the churches become sink holes of bad or absent manners and disdain for those around us? Because we're each in the World of One.

Going to the movies used to be something you did WITH other people, to share the experience. Today's audience seems not to even know there ARE other people -- they're blabbing with each other, shouting down the rows, constantly parading in front of others to go out and make cell phone calls, check their Blackberries, go out for more snacks or simply irritate the stew out of people. Children in church are kicking the pews, slamming the doors, shouting, crying, throwing their toys and running up and down the aisles; their teen sisters and brothers are text-messaging, gossiping and shoving each other. This past Sunday was our monthly coffee hour, and you'd have thought not a single one of these people had any food at home the way they jammed into that room. Then you have those half-dozen who can't see a crowd moving one way without immediately being overwhelmed with the need to go the other way. One girl who was determinedly shoving everyone to one side ended up slopping a full cup of hot coffee all over an elderly Italian woman, who let her have both barrels (in Italian, but the intent was obvious).

And every bit of this ADD-riddled behaviour is brought on by the World of One.

As for the "Movie Stars" -- there aren't any. They are the same self-centred, loudmouthed, badly behaved and badly dressed brats who are shoving us in the theatres, dumping coffee on us in the churches, blaring their music or reading aloud to their children in airplanes and checking their Blackberries during Midnight Mass on Christmas Eve.

They are people who no longer have any sense of community because they live in the World of One.

Doctor Spock has a lot to answer for.

The World of One
One sure contributor to (or is it just a symptom of?) that World of One mentioned by AudiR10 is the iPod or MP3 player. You can't go anywhere these days without seeing dozens of young people lost in their own little worlds of music, ignoring everyone and everything around them, moving to their own internal beat. No catching their eyes, no making conversation, no waving or smiling... no nothing. It's like they're not even there.

About the airlines, though... I, too, remember dressing up for flying as a child. But I would argue that flying was a rarer experience in those days, and a bit more special. It's fairly commonplace, now, and with all the removing of shoes, belts and other accessories, plus the patting down one can expect, it's nice to dress as simply as possible. Not to mention the fact that a long flight can be very uncomfortable, and soft clothes (as in sweats) can really make a difference.

audiR10
ditto

Hollywood's political opinions
It was Elvis Presley who, when asked for his opinion on the Vietnam War, responded with, "I'm just an entertainer, ma'am." Nowadays we have countless lesser talents who should learn from his example of humility.

It already has gotten worse
People have gone into full-scale cognitive rejection, IMHO. (The "next step beyond" cognitive dissonance, so to speak.) They simply refuse to accept that reality exists. Example follows;

The other day I was on a thru street about three blocks from home, heading for the barn, when a twentyish, shaved-head, "edgy"- looking "metro" type pulled out of an alley right in front of me in his Lexus while gabbing on his cell. I stomped the brakes (at 20 in a 25 zone) and leaned on the horn to wake him up. He sat there, staring at me with his phone up to his ear, for about a full minute before it dawned on him that he was supposed to back up. (I'm not sure, but my fingers tapping on the upper rim of my steering wheel may have clued him in- they seemed to fascinate him.)

I don't mind people being in their own little world. As an SFan, I've "lived" in alternate worlds since I read "Second Stage Lensman" by E.E. "Doc" Smith at age 3. Having your own place to be is one of the privileges of being sentient.

But is it too much to ask that on the road, people keep at least part of their "heightened consciousness" focused ON the road?

"A World of One", indeed.


cheers

eon

Maybe this makes me shallow....
but I don't CARE who owns Turner Classic Movies. I really don't.

I care about "Casablanca" and "Citizen Kane." I care about John Ford, Frank Capra, and Alfred Hitchcock. I care about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers, Gene Kelly, Judy Garland, and even good ol' Van Johnson. I care about visual storytelling at its finest and most meaningful. And I care that people KNOW I care, and that I vote with my time and money for movies that inspired me to aim higher, to think more clearly and more carefully, to be my better self.

This, in a nutshell, is what separates the best of the classics from the worst of today's contemporary product. The best of classic films, like the best of literature, ennoble us. They offer us examples of love, loyalty, courage, commitment, responsibility, and honor -- or else they show, in a moving and poignant way, what we lose when we value such qualities at naught. They matter. That's why we still watch them. That's why we remember Rick Blaine's self-sacrifice and Charles Foster Kane's desperate loneliness and Don Lockwood's dancin' and singin' in the rain.

What we're losing more and more, as reality TV and its hideous progeny proliferate, is the value of STORY, a value that we've managed to keep alive since the days of Homer and that we're now throwing away of our own free will. Human beings have always told stories. Stories have been our means of expressing our thoughts and ideas in terms of concrete action. We NEED stories, and one day we'll once again realize this (although it may be too late).

When I spend my time (and money -- my DVD collection is growing) on the best movies (while always making sure that I remember that movies, even the greatest of them, are not and can never be a substitute for books), I'm not doing it to put money into Turner's or any other mogul's pocket. I'm casting my vote for Story. The Fox Network may or may not be run by a good conservative, but in my living room, "The Wizard of Oz" and "Goodbye, Mr. Chips" will always trump "Survivor" and "Beauty and the Geek."

By the way, AudiR10: let me echo the praise for your post, and your dismay at the sight of young people walking through life in their own invisible enclaves. DOWN WITH THE BUBBLE!!

Audir10
Well said! Pretty much covers today's "Me First" mindset.

Pamella
I'm with you all the way!

on the flip side
We have painted the 40's and 50's with a rosy colored hue, but it's just not true. If you want to understand that time you can't go by the still in infancy television, but by the more mainstream radio, (there are thousands of radio shows available on the internet just search "OTR +mp3" without quotes) Even today I cringe at the graphic nature of OTR
Returning WWII vets had some serious issues and many came back mean and abusive. In the 50's my dad often lost his paycheck playing cards, came home drunk and beat my mom or molested my sister. And the thing is molesting kids was wildly practiced but kept hush hush because the 50's were all about living keeping up appearences. When mom finally had enough and kicked him out we lived in poverty with virtually no help from the government, my grandma did what she could. we moved from tenement to tenement until mom started turning tricks (only one per night with people she knew - I guess that makes a difference) So beware of romanticism an era where black actors were relegated to roles where a "sambo" was needed for comic relief. Where Asians were lower then garden slugs and American Indians were acted out by white actors. (at least they didn't make fun of queers) In short the 40's and 50's were exactly the same as today. And they were exactly the same in the 1800's

Thesis is wrong
Ms. Fields writes: "The movies aren't what they used to be. Hollywood still imagines that it's the center of the cosmos, but the movies, politically correct as they have become (think Al Gore's Oscar for a slide show), don't move us as they once did."

I beg to differ, if anything movies are moving
people in many ways.

Some examples:

Al Gore's _Inconvenient Truth_:
People are alarmed about global
warming and our federal government might
actually pass legislation on the issue, in
no small way influenced by the movie. It
is quite possible Gore might even be
moved to run for president.

_Amazing Grace_ will, I predict, move
many people to focus on "human trafficking"
and work to end the slave trade. I am
not going to go into small documentaries
that get people to act, but one, _Born
into Brothels_ already had a small group
of people working on this problem.

_Brokeback Mountain_ might not be the best
example of getting people to act, but it
did get people to talk which can be argued
is a form of action.

Lastly, _Farenheit 911_ surely influenced
people's votes for and against George
Bush. Even sparking counter documentaries.

All of these movies have made TH columnists
and the TH community take action in writing
and posting on the relevant issues.

I would think we are in a "golden age" of
movies that make people act in a variety of
causes. I would say that movies of the last
few years make people act more so than any
comparable period of time ever in US history,
perhaps excepting WWII and the _Why We Fight_
documentaries and newsreels from the front.

More on the flip side
mark_lee: Very good points. Thanks for the balance. I think people do tend to romanticise the past...the 40's and 50's...they were times I guess when life was simpler and people felt safer. But in large part that's because they weren't privy to all the information they now are. The press today is much more a free press than it was then. For much of the 20th century, WR Hearst alone decided what news would be printed. People still do that, it's just that there are more of them now (and the 'dang internet'!).

As for Hollywood,anyone who thinks the "social message" in movies is new should think again. Westerns were full of them. It was just a different message than we're likely to hear today. Then, there was a good guy (the one in the white hat who always prevailed over the bad guy). Now, we are the bad guy.
I think it's a plus that the "stars" are more knowable in their reality to their adoring fans. The less mystque the better. Maybe someday we'll get to a point when fewer people fawn over them.

Romanticizing the Fifties
Not me, brotha. I grew up in the Fifties. If you ever get a chance to see any of those little "Mental Hygiene" movies shown to us kids in the Fifties to program us on everything from how often to wash our hair (at least once a week...) to the little rhyme "God Bless the squire and his relations/and keep us all in our proper stations", especially you stay-at-home Moms who think it would be wonderful if everyone was forced back into those little ticky-tacky boxes Tom Leher sang about, do it. It'll scare the thong off you (assuming you're wearing underwear.)

I agree that The War Changed Everything. And everyone. While Dad was off at war being taught to do everything society had spent 20 years teaching him NOT to do (because being a soldier is that kind of a job), Mom was in the factory and for the first time realizing and understanding that she was capable of looking after herself and family -- not just a brood mare and domestic help, but a strong right arm to keep the country running again. A lot of the Plastic Fifties romance was concocted by media and advertisers in an attempt to force those women out of the work force (so the returning soldiers could have the jobs) and back into their 'traditional' role by making it as attractive as possible to them. Needless to say, it didn't work either for the men or the women. And today's world is as it is.

It is true that the proles couldn't afford to do many of the things we do today -- however, it was also true that when they/we COULD afford to do such things, we had an example of proper behaviour to imitate. I doubt very much if the current generation would understand either "My Fair Lady" or "The Unsinkable Molly Brown" because there no longer is any such thing as Low Class Behaviour.

BUSH'S MAKE-BELIEVE WORLD MUCH WORSE


WE GET THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE… and, boy, we’ve really been getting it for the last 6 years! Truth, values, competence and results no longer matter in America.

THE PROBLEM: our President is not a rational thinker – his mind accepts information from only two sources: faith and experience. A notable example from Iraq, Bush learned the "the enemy will follow us here" from Vietnam and the Domino Theory: “If we don’t defeat the communists in Vietnam, then we’ll have to fight them here in America.” Now just insert “terrorists” and “Iraq” into the one lesson Bush learned from Vietnam. Of course, the real terrorists who will come to America are in Afghanistan and now the border regions of Pakistan.

Because George Bush is not rational (strictly empirical and subjective), objective facts and evidence such as the recent National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that found this Iraq war has created more jihadists and terrorists and made America less safe are meaningless to this anachronistic man of several millennia ago. The reality of Iraq is what he thinks it is from the beautiful White House, and so our country and our precious soldiers are in for much more of this growing catastrophe, incompetence at the top from day one and continuing into the foreseeable future, and SPIN, SPIN, SPIN (from “shock and awe” to “surge,” everyone stand up and shout for failed policies).

The next application of Bush's mind to our tribulations... GOOD NEWS! God has spoken directly to George Bush (again) and told him to go to war with Iran after the November 2006 elections. This new war should go as well as the Iraq war (our President’s last guidance from “a higher authority,” “another Father” than Bush41) and further help over one billion Muslims in their decision to fight America in a mutual holy war. When the President finally increases the level of hatred against the United States to where it engulfs Pakistan, then we face nuclear terror, and Biblical Armageddon becomes real and a self-fulfilling prophecy. Oh, the joy, the Rapture!

Without rational thinking, bumping into reality is always a shock! FUTURE SHOCK… Right now roiled Pakistan is just one assassin’s bullet away from going under, and still jihad recruitment is only in its infancy. The Crusades of long ago are living history in the Middle East, so Muslims are already primed for another war with Christian invaders; and our “bring it on” cowboy President is only rekindling and fueling this centuries-old fire.

Of course, talking with adversaries (instead of war) requires rational thinking… AMERICAN DIPLOMACY, now there’s an oxymoron! The leader of Iran comes off as a whacko, however, the Iranians and the entire rest of the world view George Bush in the same way, so there is a common starting point. Real diplomacy involves talking with your adversary one-on-one without preconditions, and there’s a lot to discuss with Iran: the CIA in the 1950s, the Shah, the 1979 hostage crisis, sponsorship of terror, Israel and justice in the Middle East, and nuclear issues. But if past is prelude, Bush’s diplomacy with Iran will be perfunctory and rigged - this time, our mentally unbalanced, messianic President needs to provoke a war, AND HE WILL FIND A WAY!

World of One or World of Us
AudiR10 writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 6:32 AM Everything's Dumbing Down "I'm old enough to remember when both going to church and travelling by air were occasions to dress carefully and enjoy the society of others with class."

To restate what Hermione said airplane travel
has been opened up and democratized for good
or ill. Nowadays, the only dress code is for
first class. (Now if the plane companies
reserved 2 seats by lottery in first class
for those in commercial class you would see
a change). As for church this is true, and
this too has been democratized. I think
a word or two from the reverend would clear
things up. Though I'm not sure Jesus would
care what you wore (WWJW?) for the most
part.


AudiR10 writes:
"And why have [the big department store, the] movies, the airlines, the grocery stores and the churches become sink holes of bad or absent manners and disdain for those around us? Because we're each in the World of One."

This might be more the case, but I have to say
I disagree with you more than I concur.
I have only been to the movies about 10 times
in the last seven years and my experience has
been very little talking, some eating and
candy box noise, and no cell phone talking.
But maybe this is because I go to (I was going
to say "adult movies" here) mature movies
and not the blockbusters - this could be the
difference. But even when I've gone on trips
with kids from alternative schools they were
for the most part well behaved. So, I have
to say I disagree.

As for airlines I've felt that most of us
have the mindset that we, the passengers,
want to get through this experience with
as little trouble as possible. And though
I only travel as often as I go to the movies
I haven't seen much change over the last
20 years.

Grocery stores same story here too. Some
times there is a bratty little kid, but
again this is not much different than
twenty years ago is it.

Church? I'm still a Christian but I have
not attended in several years. So, I'll
take your word on people checking blackberries
and cell phones.

Now, THE MALL, is a different story that
is a world that is a place I find of the
teenagers, by the teenagers, and for the
teenagers. That has changed and is as you
say much different. But I find there it
is not a World of One but a World of Them.

The shared spaces are where people might
be in a World of One, but when they are
they are usually with someone else. There
is someone on the other end of that phone
as there is a voice or some kind of human
created noise coming through the i-pod,
I hope!

So manners, simply taking into consideration
other's feelings could be improved and improve
our human community.
Hasn't it always been thus?

Now to get personal:
Though I find it at least a little bit
funny, AudiR10 that on your blog's
biography you write "don't whine to me,
I wear earplugs"

No community, indeed!


Pearl Harbor and AIDS
JohnCitizen, you're so right. Just like the other post of your's, which confirmed that George Bush's was responsible for Pearl Harbor and the origin of aids.

I especially like your movie critizism on the movie Sahara. I never realized Bush's role in that movie's flop.

You are absolutely correct, in that all the problem now found in the world lay soley at the feet of George Bush.

Good catch in tying Suzanne's Fields article to Bush.

Audi R10
"Dr. Spock has a lot to answer for."

I'm glad someone else recognizes the trainwreck that idiot's book caused to the American scene.


Mike Lee
Not all black actors played "Sambo" parts. Hattie McDaniel won the Oscar for best supporting actress in GTWT.

By the way, "Little Black Sambo" was Asian, not African...unless there was Tigers in Africa some time I did not know about. And he was not too dumb an individual, you gotta admit.

everyones facts
I don't want movies that get me to act. I want movies that entertain. I pay for entertainment. Humphrey Bogart was probably left of any of today's actors; but he kept his political opinions to himself. And made some incredible movies. I have no idea what K. Hepburne or S. Tracy's politics were, nor do I care. They made a great acting team. And Hollywood did its damdest to keep their affair secret. The most political movies from Hollywood were all the "Buy More War Bonds" movies of the early '40's. Back when Hollywood was still part of America.

A Political Statement in 1940
Charlie Chaplin made a "Political Message" movie in 1940. It was called 'The Great Dictator'.

That movie is still funny today. Even if you are completely ignorant of what happened in 1939 and know nothing of World War II that movie is funny.

It is funny because it told the truth (rather than preach) and it went against the grain (at the time that movie was made Hitler was still a popular guy in American Culture) and most importantly it let the audience make up their own mind.

I strongly suggest one and all take a look at that film, it is well worth the effort to locate it.

jd

Hollyweird

.....Ms Fields ...

.....just as Public Schools have evolved into indoctrinations centers for liberal/secularism ...the movies have becomes a means to further a secular/progressive agenda ...

....."Broke-my-back Mountain to gain acceptance for homo-sexuality and "An Inconvient Lie" to push the Global Warming scam are obvious examples ...

.....I have only gone to a movie theater twice in the last twenty years and the last was "The Passion" which was disavowed by Hollyweird and slammed by the critics ...It didn't fit their politically correct formula .....COLOSSUS

Movie Messages
I'm no Michael Medved, but yesterday's movies were probably not much different than today's. Some were pure entertainment, serious or humorous, and others contained significant political statements (i.e., the Day the Earth Stood Still, Manchurian Candidate, Meet John Doe, etc., etc.).

Several posts and Suzanne are right, though, that many actors back then didn't wear their politics on their sleave and their drinking, drugs and carousing were kept in the closet, along with a bunch of other skeletons. It was a lot easier to watch an actor and director work their craft without the baggage of knowing who someone is shacking up with who or whether rehab has worked (I'd refuse to see Hugh Grant movies even if he was a good actor).

The difference, today, is that so many movies tend to reflect the worst or try to be "cutting edge" by addressing risky, or risque, topics (having to explain the wonders of an orgasm to mom in "Just Do As I Say"...puleeze).

Unfortunately, we'll always be capable of new lows--can't wait for the June release of "Knocked Up" and to see the local theater post that on its marquee. A little subtly, please?

BUCK

.....It was GWTW and McDaniels performance was brilliant ...

.....too bad many blacks have never seen that movie classic ...I was told by a friend that it was racist and portrayed a time in our history that many blacks prefer to forget .....COLOSSUS

Buck
If you don't want movies that get you
to act or have a "political message"
you can avoid them. Which is not to
say that some messages will not be
stealthily placed in somewhere.

I bet we all know too much about
product placement.

Anyways, I know of some actors political
beliefs, but very few. And others I know
about, for instance Angelina Jolie, I put
into the who cares department.
She is for helping children in Africa. This
is like being for feeding the hungry. Is
anyone against it?

I think we can blame the culture of tv/mags
more than the culture of movies for this
change in our knowledge. And, of course,
actors go along with the attention because
any attention is good attention.

Then again maybe I know so little and others
know more because I do not watch E,
Entertainment Tonight, read People or the like.
If you get your news from regular news sources
and skip the gossip page or piece you'll remain
blissfully ignorant and no worse for the wear.
Now, I step down off my soapbox.

movies today
Interesting column to stimulate conversation about cultural mores and how they change. I agree with justnotright, especially the part about movies trying so hard to be "cutting edge". By definition, that edge has to get sharper and sharper. This trend toward the dark themes became more clear to me after I made "The Captives", a drama based on historical accounts of Mary Draper Ingles. The movie won several fairly prestigious awards, but is seldom chosen for screening at film festivals. When I look at the themes of the movies that are chosen, I find few that could be shown to my high school students.
(Something I don't miss from the 50's-smoking and alcohol consumption in what seems like every 3rd scene.)

the real '40s and '50s
In the '40s and '50s for approx. 25 cents at the movies, you got an A movie--color, big names, big studio--and you got a B movie--usually b/w, maybe famous but not enthroned actors: Randolph Scott, Republic Studios--and two or three cartoons, newsreel, previews, and movies changed twice a week. There were message movies like "Lost Weekend" with Ray Milland about alcoholism and "I'm a Fugitive From a Chain Gang" that starred Paul Muni as early as 1932, a mere three years after official talkies. The "message" movies were not subtle and were highly effective. On the other hand, they weren't the average movies. The studio heads regardless of their own sects or faiths solidly undergirded America's general Christian community and big, technicolor "Bible"/historical movies were a staple in the '50s and '60s, including "Ben Hur," "The Robe," "The Chalice," "Barrabas," "The Ten Commanments""--a remake, as was "Ben Hur"--"Quo Vadis," "Spartacus"--that was recently recreated as a tv mini-series, and many more. The movies of the time tended not to be cyncical and ironic. The Westerns believed in the West, unlike current "Westerns" that drift off into supposed examinations of the nature or violence or debunking heroic myths and legends. Unfortunately, contemporary movies often exhibit no particular ethos but are cobbled together from the latest nude scene, child abuse scandal, the required obscene expressions, "real" people except they look exactly like movie stars, at least one gay character, glosses on porno--gee, I think I'm describing "Little Miss Sunshine," altho' the nude scene must've hit the cutting room floor. "The Passion" made a fortune domestically and in foreign distribution, yet reportedly many Oscar voters bragged they'd never seen it. I had students who saw it many days in a row--a little excess there--and came to class full of questions, often unanswerable in the class setting in our beknighted secular milieu. Hollywood did not learn anything from Gibsons's success and are determined to ignore it and deconstruct him. Liberals are always all for open discussion and exchange of ideas as long as the ideas and discussion are theirs.

oops should read
Missed a word on last post should read:
"skip the gossip page or ENTERTAINMENT piece"


every decade has message movies
And I would like to add that every decade has
message movies. For instance _The Best Years
of Our Lives_ from 1946. Could be interesting
to look at again in light of Walter Reed
investigation.

Check out this site for an overview of the
movie: http://www.filmsite.org/besty.html

For you TCM fans you'll find a lot to like
and read at that site.

My thoughts
JohnCitizen: Bushbashing nonsense. If you think that the NIE is somehow "facts" and not empirical or subjective, then you don't understand intelligence or how it is produced. Someone has to interpret the "facts", and the "facts" are only what we THINK they are, we can't be sure that we are even right about the facts. So, lay off Bush for not being objective if that's how you define objective: taking the NIE to heart. Boy do you have a lot of growing up to do. Signed, a retired intelligence officer
Everyonesfacts: You argue that movies today move people to act. Audir R10 and Suzanne were talking about propaganda films which masquerage as documentaries. Documentaries used to be factual, now they are ideological puff pieces. All of the movies you cite fall in this category. So, you need to check your premises. You aren't talking about the same thing as Suzanne. I for one am tired of seeing propaganda films like: Syriana, Brokeback Mountain, Munich, I could go on but you get the picture. I am tired of being lectured by nimcompoop actors like Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, et al. I refuse to see their movies. If they think the opportunity to make that much money for playing make believe gives them some kind of insight into international politics, they have obviously built a castle in the air and moved in. Someone said that you get to have your own opinion, but you DON'T get to have your own facts. The fact that you admire Angelina Jolie for going around adopting children from other countries is just pathetic. Aren't there American children in need? Why does she turn her back on them? To prove she's multicultural? And the spectacle of Madonna grabbing that African child from his Dad is outrageous, but Jolie has made it "cool", so Madonna must follow along with her Kabbaleh. Talk about shallow.
So, when I go to the movies, I see action films. I save my desire to see classy films for the TCM movies. I also have a huge sci-fi collection, which seems to be able to avoid the worst excesses of political correctness. You know, the old movies have messages too, but in those days the message was that good guys win, and that we are the good guys. The message in films today is there are no good guys, and we are the worst of the bad guys. I am not interested in paying some snot nosed Hollywood type to ingest that sort of crapola about this great nation.

The Best Years of our Lives
An excellent movie that will certainly give you a clear picture of the aftermath of World War II. I also recommend a creepy little movie called "The Victors", about post-war cleanup work in Europe. One of the most chilling scenes in movie history is seeing a group of soldiers take a spy out to be stood in front of a firing squad in the early morning snow, with "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" warbling in the background.

And then there are the Message Cartoons -- all the Warner Brothers/Merrie Melodies cartoons made for adult consumption at movie houses. Most of these can no longer be shown on television -- sanitized for your protection, you know -- but I have them on tape. They were very strongly anti-German, anti-Japanese and anti-Appeasement. (One shows a mouse being bribed by a cat into talking his fellow mice into appeasement of the cat. Only when the cat decides his 'ally' is in fact a mouse and would make a nice snack do the other mice realize their danger and band together to drive out both the cat and the appeaser.

Bush Bashers
I don't agree with all of the decisions The president has made like "not leveling the Sunni triangle" or would like to make "immigration" but I'm getting tired of hearing how everything thats wrong in the world is somehow his fault.

It seems to me everytime he tries to listen to the left and do something they suggest "more diplomacy or send more troops" they turn around and stick a knife in his back and tell him he is wrong.

The loony left should stick with their make believe ideas and solutions that only work out in the movies because I for one am tired of paying for all the feel good policies that end up making things worse. Welfare, Abortion, Public Schools, Social Security, Affirmitive action, and the let any idiot vote act are all shinning succeses of the left. "In Their mind"

Maybe they can make a movie about the Iraq War so we can find out how the war will end seeing they know it all.

Sorry a little off topic but JohnCitizen's blog annoyed me.

Television is overtaking movies
Suzanne Fields laments the decline of movies for exploring moral issues and for facilitating socialization. I suggest that finally, after 40 years, television is finally taking over that role effectively. TV is the classless medium of today; citizens of all age groups, all wealth levels, all races and nationalities, watch it. A hit TV show is watched not just in America but in dozens of countries worldwide.

And TV drama has become much more sophisticated, HDTV is giving us the wide-screen visual sweep we used to get from movie theaters, and the lines between movie quality and TV quality have crossed. The best of TV drama, whether it's "Deadwood" or "Lost" or "The Wire," is filling the niche of what the old movies used to do. In fact, back in 2005, a drama critic for the Times of London admitted that not only was "Lost" a better TV drama than anything British TV had to offer, it was even better drama than any live theater being offered on the London stage at that time.

Let's not romanticize the old movies excessively. For every "Citizen Kane" there were a zillion flops and mindless splashy spectacles. Folks went to see Cinerama and Cinemascope movies not because of their plot or deep message but just to lose themselves in the wide-screen spectacle. And many controversial moral issues, particularly race relations and the stupidity of war, were covered only sparingly.

As for socialization: The Internet is providing a better means for fans of either movies or TV to communicate and share ideas. TV shows today have forums and blogs where fans can pore over every scene and analyze them endlessly, comparing and suggesting ideas. That's way better than when we used to go to the movies. You mostly discussed the movie with the folks you went to the theater with--your friends and family--not with the other theatergoers very much. With the Internet, you can discuss any piece of entertainment with anyone all over the planet. Talk about socialization!

It's true that isn't physical socialization, where you actually talk face-to-face. But physical socialization started taking a hit when we moved out of the cities to the suburbs en masse. If you live in your own house surrounded by an acre of land, you just don't have as many next-door neighbors to say "Hi" to as you did when you lived in a giant apartment block in a big city. The decline of movies is a symptom, not a cause, of that.


reply to "Rand"y
"Rand"y writes: Monday, March, 05, 2007 1:41 PM My thoughts
"Everyonesfacts: You argue that movies today move people to act. Audir R10 and Suzanne were talking about propaganda films which masquerage as documentaries. Documentaries used to be factual, now they are ideological puff pieces. All of the movies you cite fall in this category."

I can say you have your facts wrong on this
one. There were only 2 documentaries (3 if
you include _Born into Brothels_ listed).
I enjoyed _Fahrenheit 911_ for what it was -
a polemic, call it propoganda. _An
Inconvenient Truth_ I have yet to see, so
I can't speak to it. The other films are
not propoganda pieces, _Amazing Grace_ is
a biopic which does a good job of showing
the life of William Wilberforce while taking
some liberty with his height, language (updated
for modern sensibilities), and time
to make a more entertaining film. _Brokeback
Mountain_ is an adaptation of a short story
which I also haven't seen. But is not a
documentary or propoganda. How much it
holds to the short story I cannot say.

"Rand"y writes:
"So, you need to check your premises. You aren't talking about the same thing as Suzanne. I for one am tired of seeing propaganda films like: Syriana, Brokeback Mountain, Munich, I could go on but you get the picture. I am tired of being lectured by nimcompoop actors like Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, et al. I refuse to see their movies. If they think the opportunity to make that much money for playing make believe gives them some kind of insight into international politics, they have obviously built a castle in the air and moved in."

Well, I think we are talking about the same
thing. She is mentioning movies that would
be talked about over the dining room table.
Other than _Brokeback_ I think all of the
ones listed, except _Brothels_ again, should
have been talked about. Whethe _911_ would
might depend on your family. My parents were
big on political talk, so this wasn't unusual.
I have not seen any of the movies listed, but
I would think they could lead to discussion
around the dinner table of terrorism and
histry even if you couldn't bring the children
to see them. I for one can separate an
actor's politics from their acting. If you
don't want to hear or read their opinions,
I would recommend not doing just that.

"Rand"y writes:
Someone said that you get to have your own opinion, but you DON'T get to have your own facts. The fact that you admire Angelina Jolie for going around adopting children from other countries is just pathetic. Aren't there American children in need? Why does she turn her back on them? To prove she's multicultural? And the spectacle of Madonna grabbing that African child from his Dad is outrageous, but Jolie has made it "cool", so Madonna must follow along with her Kabbaleh. Talk about shallow."

I'll choose not to tell people who they should
and shouldn't adopt. Your disgust proves that
no good deed goes uncriticized. You want them
to act better than they did - too bad, in this
instant as long as their good parents, they
acted well.
In my post I focused on Jolie's support for
African children not her adoption.
I believe she gives a large percentage of her
income and time to this. Whether she or
Madonna choose to adopt or give $ to American
children is their business, not mine. I'm
afraid "Rand"y your immersed in the culture -
I'd recommend turning off the tv.

So I did not say I admired Jolie I asked
who was against helping African children.
Not the same thing. So "Rand"y you are
entitled to your own opinion but please
do not make up facts which were never
written.

missing word again
My editor has the day off

a line in my previous post should read:

"I have not seen any of the movies YOU listed,"

Classic political movies, Buck
Buck says: "The most political movies from Hollywood were all the 'Buy More War Bonds' movies of the early '40's."

Oh, really? Here are some classic political movies (or at least movies with strong political overtones)

All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)
Gabriel Over the White House (1933)
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
The Grapes of Wrath (1940)
Confessions of a Nazi Spy (1940)
Abe Lincoln in Illinois (1940)
Meet John Doe (1941)
All the King's Men (1949)

Great posts!
Movies can entertain and inform at the same time without pushing a political agenda.

I loved "The Best Years of Our Lives" and "Mrs. Miniver". Great movies about WWII. They were entertaining as well as realistic in their portrayals.

Movies today, even animated films like "Happy Feet" seem to have an underlying political agenda, and that makes movie viewing a time of indoctrination instead of entertainment.

We hardly go to the movies anymore except when the summer blockbusters come out. I'll take the brainless entertainment of "Pirates of the Caribbean" over "Babel" anyday.

Me First
There are times when I long for a more simpler way of life. I tire of those (entertainers) who think because they are in the limelight, need to shove their opinions on everyone who will listen. If I need information, I seek out those who work with and or research the facts. Not all the Hollyweird crowd are poor examples for the general populace. There are some who actually live in the real world.

AudiR10

....I did a search and couldn't come up with a movie called the Victors ...can you supply some details ...year made ...Director ...leading actors? .....COLOSSUS

baseballdoc
Victors, The (1963) 156m. *** D;Carl Foreman. George Hamilton, George Peppard, Vince Edwards, Eli Wallach, Melina Mercouri, Romy Schneider, Jeanne Moreau, Peter Fonda, Senta Berger, Elke Sommer,Albert Finney.

Sprawling WWII drama of Allied soldiers on the march through Europe, focusing on their loving and fighting. Good cast and direction overcome Foreman's ambling script. Originally released at 175m. Panavision.

Foreman, BTW, also produced and wrote the screenplay for "The Guns of Navarone" (1961), based on Alistair MacLean's novel, starring gregory peck, Anthony Quinn, and David Niven, and directed by J. Lee Thompson.

Above data courtesy of;

Maltin, Leonard. Leonard Maltin's 1999 Movie & Video Guide. New York; Dutton/Signet (division of Penguin & Putnam Books), 1999. (PB)

It should be listed on IMDB. Still, sometimes there's no substitute for a reference book, even today.

Somehow, I find that comforting.


cheers

eon

Oops
Yes, I know Gregory Peck's name should also be capitalized.

It's early.


cheers

eon

Guns of Navarone

.....Eon ...Thanx ...

.....I have The Guns of Navarone ...one of my favorite action packed war movies ...

.....Peck played the ultimate soldier ...bound by honor and duty ...

.....Niven was the anti-war pacifist who was called out by Peck for "getting a free ride" while the rest of us did all the dirty work ...a memorable scene .....COLOSSUS

SteveL
I stand corrected.
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