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Monday, February 26, 2007
Suzanne Fields :: Townhall.com Columnist
Sandra Dee and Britney Spears
by Suzanne Fields
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Long ago and far away
In a land that time forgot,
Before the days of Dylan
Or the dawn of Camelot,
There lived a race of innocents And they were you and me,
Long ago and far away
In the land of Sandra Dee.

The playful poet Leland Waldrip captures the nostalgic significance of Sandra Dee, the poster girl for the grandparents of the Britney Spears generation. Britney was a Mouseketeer; Sandra played Gidget. She was the original wholesome girl next door. Her real life was anything but -- she was anorexic, and had "issues" with alcohol and drugs.

But for the teenagers who grew up with her, she was "queen of teen" demure, perky and radiating innocence. That was then and this is now, and it's harder to be a symbol of inexperience when no one has any inexperience.

We hadn't seen enough of jets
To talk about the lag,
And microchips were what was left
At the bottom of the bag.
And hardware was a box of nails,
And Bytes came from a flea,
And rocket ships were fiction
In the Land of Sandra Dee.

Every generation has its heroes and heroines reflecting the culture. Celebrities once worked to be part of that reflection. But everything runs at double time now, and Sandra Dee was in the public eye a long time ago. Cultural expectations ain't what they used to be.

A Newsweek cover story asks: "Girls Gone Wild: What Are Celebs Teaching Kids?" Well, probably not much. The entire media is saturated with sexual images that would have put a blush on Sandra Dee's perfect cheek, leaving celebs with nothing new to say. Britney attracts attention by showing the whole world that she's not wearing panties, but the appeal to vulgar sexiness is only one small drip in the drip, drip, drip of influences gone wild.

High-tech images have outrun the cultural groundings that were once part of what "All-American" was all about, even when honored mostly in the breach. Privacy was a virtue, and of course there were girls in Sandra Dee's high school who did "it," but they were terrified that someone might find out about it. Now girls advertise their sexuality on Internet websites, detailing intimate details of their lives to faceless strangers.

Such premature exposure in public changes the context for growing up. Authentic experience pales in a virtual world writ large in word and image. Transparency and nudity become interchangeable. Such tawdry homemade celebrity eliminates the need for discipline or talent. Baseline standards for aesthetic and moral measurements disappear. Notoriety is all.

Internet diaries of young women include all manner of sexual experiences, described with no inhibitions in word and few in action. Instead of simply running at the mouth, these young women write barely coherent run-on sentences to create cut-and-paste relationships.

In "Unhooked: How Young Women Pursue Sex, Delay Love and Lose at Both," Laura Sessions Stepp of The Washington Post describes a searing picture of sex life in college today. "Young woman have changed not only the way they relate intimately to young men, but also the way they think about intimacy." The young girl who once yearned to be told "I love you" by her boyfriend now wants anything but that. Intimacy equals impermanence, a dichotomy that spills over into goals for jobs and life plans. A hookup does not hold a lock on love, but if it did, the passkey would be passed around (and around). Even middle-school girls offer guys oral sex to be "liked," not loved. They usually don't get either.

College students and young women in their 20s are described as "girls" because that's how they refer to each other, particularly in middle- and upper-class families who have been protected and coddled to the point that they can't (or won't) think of themselves as adults. Adulthood requires passing through certain life stages, which definitely includes moving away from the protection of family, into a job, with thoughts toward making a family of one's own. Postponed milestones beget postponed adulthood.

New York magazine tells of adolescent adults who take pleasure in being known through their online diaries and posted photos. They have grown up with computers, and many see themselves as public figures, virtually if not literally. The generation shift is huge.

Oh there was truth and goodness
In that land where we were born,
Where navels were for oranges,
And Peyton Place was porn.
For Ike was in the White House,
And Hoss was on TV,
And God was in his heaven
In the Land of Sandra Dee.

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Surface Beauty
When society is more concerned with physical beauty than any other attribute, is does not surprise that eventually society becomes shallow as a whole.

But do not blame Hollywood, or Society for that matter; blame the parents.

Are we really too stupid to see what the influence TV and Movies have on our kids? It appears the answer is yes.

Ask any ten men if they would have sex with Britney, and 8 or 9 would say yes. Why? Because she is so beautiful, sexy, hot, gorgeous, etc.

Why wouldn't the 1 or 2 others? Because she is shallow, slutty, self-centered and self-serving, all good enough reasons for me for say no, but not for most men.

Yes, we are stupid, if we let our children watch the drivel on TV, if we indulge them in looking like and being like "everyone else". We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Do my friends think Mom is Hot?
In a world where mothers and fathers yearn for the sons and daughters of their friends to think they're "Hotties", what else can you expect?

Mama planned two of us five girls, both born in February, and our birthdays are this month within a week of each other. We have been talking about how eager we were to leave home, and how willing we were to live in a tent in the park rather than spend one more day at home -- as soon as the ink was dry on our high school diplomas, we were packing to move somewhere else and start "living"! Now I have friends approaching 30 who are still in the bedrooms they occupied as tots, pretending to look for the perfect job or saving for a house or whatever, with Helicopter Mommy hovering above to cater to their every whim.

However, I don't know anybody who wanted to grow up to be Sandra Dee or Annette Funicello, because they were shallow, giggly, perky children who never had a single original thought and whose only ambition was to marry a boy as shallow, perky and decorative as they were themselves. Nobody I knew (well, except one sister) wanted to grow up to be Barbie, Gidget or a Mousketeer. Personally I wanted to grow up to be Lauren Bacall.

When dreams and reality collide
I always thought it was better when the scene changed to an ocean and we got to think about what sex COULD be. I could always imagine PERFECTION. (Even though we KNEW there was something WRONG with Sandra Dee!)

But that was then...

Now, we have two actors on stage dry humping and it's just tasteless. But more important, it has taught the kids that everything can be concluded in an hour - two at the most. Meet, fall in love, fall out of love/die/just move on. (Sorry, no time for love. Let's hook up!)

Reminds me of the kid standing in front of the microwave, "Hurry up, I haven't got all minute."


On ther other hand...
...in my parents generation there was Mae West.


When I was good,I was very,very,good,

but when I was bad...I was better!"

And by the way,Audi,you'll always be my Lauren Bacall.You do know how to whistle,don't you?

my 2 cents
It all starts in the home - everything good and everything bad

We are reaping the bitter fruit as in grandchildren whose seed (?) we sewed in the 60s - if it feels good do it. Indeed.

Sandra Dee, Britney Spears and now Dakota Fanning in Hound-Dog. Who's next?

God help us.

AudiR10
You bring up a very good point. We hear much about the overt sexualization of ever younger children but I think a big problem is Mom and Dad trying to be a "hottie." Apparently they have the same target demographic as most advertisers. Witness the number of teachers having sex (and/or children) with their students. Apparently no one wants to grow up, thus we are left with the level of permanent immaturity and adolescent behavior we see everywhere. Parents not only don't want to grow up, they demonstrate bad behavior on a personal level with their children and children's friends.

I agree with Nam65-66; you are Bacall. Your posts remind me of my aunts - strong, lovely women all who doted on all of their children and nieces and nephews and had the ability to make everyone of them think they were the favorite and yet let none of them ever cross the line. They also recognized that there were phases in life. When you were a child, you were not only allowed but expected to act like a child. But as you grew up, you were expected to take responsibility and act like an adult. Even though some of my uncles and aunts had a mischevious streak a yard wide and a mile long (and still do), they at least knew when adult behavior was required and toed the line and made sure any assembled juveniles did the same. We never would have acted out like a Britney because my siblings and my cousins all figured the wrath of whichever adult was around would be much more grievous than the wrath of God. Now we are all self-sufficient adults, some better than others but no criminals or socio-paths in the crowd.

Oh ducky
Donaldd says almost a sane thing but then has to put Ann Coulter in as someone hypersexualizing the world.

Ann is no worse (or better) than the Ragin Cajun or dozens of other dem operatives. But then, this is not about Hillary, or Bush, or Gore... This is about entertainment, advertisement, and culture that glorifies sex above all else.

If this was about food, a 500 lb person would be the idol. If it was about sleep, people in comas would rock!

Yes, sex is natural and pleasurable. So are food and sleep. So is the joy of creating a beautiful work of art or the pride in your work when you do it well. So is pride in yourself when you resist temptation or assist another in a life crisis. But we don't focus on those. They are too hard and take sacrifice. Sex, anyone can do and no one can tell you that you did it poorly.

Sandra Dee was queen
It was not so long ago that twiggy reigned supreme or Gilligan on an lived,
Beaver was a Cleaver, Jack was in Five -O, Dragnet was the name of a favorite TV show and Adam 12 was on for more.
In that time we were taught respect and the true meaning of the word to love, but one day came a trend to end that old and start us into something new. We pushed aside the old love and with it our respect. We replaced love with lust; we no longer see our shame
The things we once thought were bad are now accepted facts,
Batman is a joke, as is the enterprise crew. For to teach a moral right we learned is totally absurd,
For holly, wood and television had new progressive words,
We had to rap we gave up talk, mood was now in vogue and everything we once did now became a joke.
If a woman chose to say no to sex, she was stuck up; with old hang up,
If you did not smoke the joke, it was you. For every one was doing it.
So all of this came into play just after Sandra Dee; while we were chasing twiggy and the right to be sexually free.
We gave up so for we were so in touch,
So much so, we still do not see; for now, for none, we really know or care except the me myself and I.
Yet so many say it happen as a cause of Sandra Dee perhaps its better yet to say she was a victim of the times, she was a causality of the war we wage to redefine a word, a word which once meant compassion and long term caring but now is defined buy lust.

Pardon me, I'm Sandra Dee
Pardon my impropriety, but it's a mark of our advancement that we don't have to conceal our inner turmoils. Sandra Dee was a screwed-up person, and not because of "the Sixties." Public relations can't disguise truth.

Trauma is the basis for all great art -- pity that Miss Dee, and for that matter husband Bobby Darin (go rent Kevin Spacey's movie, "Beyond the Sea"), never really had a chance to probe it. She emerged at a time when our culture was still in the hands of people like Suzanne Fields. For all that the Sixties types created screw-ups of a different type, I'll take that decade and its alleged "coarsening of the culture" (nice cliche) over what preceded it.

It's no wonder...
"... College students and young women in their 20s are described as "girls" because that's how they refer to each other, particularly in middle- and upper-class families who have been protected and coddled to the point that they can't (or won't) think of themselves as adults..."

>>

It's no wonder they still think of themselves as "girls" and the young men as "boys". Our cultural myopia has taught them that this is so.

When a 17 year-old young man is charged with child molestation for receiving consensual oral sex from a 15 year-old young woman...

When the protect the children from all naughty bits hysteria extends to 15 - 17 year-old young adults...

When they're taught that they're not "adults" until 18 *and* on their own...

What do you expect?

C'mon, people. Childhood *ENDS* at adolesence, *NOT* at the age of (legal) majority. Socially and psychologically, adolescents *NEED* to be treated as young adults *NOT* as children.

It wasn't that very long ago that todays' "children" (teens) were getting married and starting families of their own. Re: Loretta Lynn.

It's no wonder the last few generations of Americans are so screwed up... we've been denied... and are denying our own offspring... the benefits of adolescence (young adulthood) because of some strange cultural myopia that still views and treats them as "children" even into their early twenties.

It's also no wonder, then, that the nanny-state is so popular. If you never outgrow childhood, then you never outgrow the need to have someone ELSE take care of you...

some wierd posts here!
I agree that parents shoulder the majority of responsibility here. Hollywood is going to pump out garbage and call it "art". We parents have the authority to tell our kids "no!".

The problem is that too many parents are trying to be "friends" with their kids, and not "parents". They don't discipline their kids, they don't set boundries, they spoil them rotten, or they are too afraid that they might make their kids "upset" by setting rules.

Movies, TV and music set a lousy example. People have agendas these days and use entertainment to push it ("An Inconvenient Truth" anyone??). Movies are the reason profanity is now accepted in our culture. Movies glorified it, made it cool, and kids followed suit. Movies and TV influence fashion. To say that movies, TV and music don't hold influence over our culture is naive.

I set boundries for my kids. They knew they would never get a body part pierced other than their ears, certain music would never be allowed in our house (including rap or Britney Spears or ANYTHING with a parental advisory), computers or TV's would never be allowed in their bedrooms, and that they would dress modestly. Once they became adults they and on their own, they could make their own decisions. I'm very proud of my kids and they are fine, upstanding adults with good heads on their shoulders.

Our society has become so self-indulgent that it has thrown caution to the wind in the name of freedom. We have a generation that has taught their kids how to roll their own joints. We have another generation that has taught their kids that self-esteem is the most important thing in the world and now we have a bunch of spoiled brats who can't read, write or do basic math, but boy they sure feel great about themselves.

God help the next generation.


A Lady or a Woman
It's a shame that today's "boys" don't know how to appreciate women. I suspect that a lot of them would be terrified of Lauren Bacall if she'd ever even look at them to begin with.

But who better to teach a boy to be a man than a woman who knows the difference? Sadly, both men and women are thin on the ground these days.

*totally catty and rude interlude*
I can remember a Saturday Night Live send-up of "Beach Blanket Bingo" in which someone played Annette in on of those Fifties 'bikinis', standing with her chest thrust forward, and chirping "These are my BREASTS!" Some things don't change....

Maybe ...
these kids get it from the dads who look at their wives of 20+ years and start lusting after the 20 somethings with the hard bodies; or perhaps from mom who dresses like her daughters and uses the latest face creams to hold off the wrinkles of time, or, if affluent enough pull of one Joan Rivers after another.
In Brazil, grey hair denotes wisdom and garners respect from all citizens, even the young. It wont happen hear as the Britnifcation of the US continues its Gadarene/lemming run to oblivion.

That is ...
here, not hear.

Popular music
There's a song out right now that goes "Stacey's mom has got it going on ..." and goes from there. It really wasn't that much different back in my day or even my parents' day. There were always older women who excited teen boys to fantasy. But, the difference back then was that very few women ever would have encouraged the boy. Now days, there are a quite a few who would think it was perfectly fine.

Fact is, my grandparents were not innocent about sex. Living on a farm and breeding animals makes it hard not to know what's going on. My dad and mom (born 1913 and 1923) were not innocent. Still they raised me to respect myself and to decide for myself when I wanted to have sex rather than let some guy decide for me. I am attemting to raise my daughter in the same way.

Liberty First - you ought to read Loretta Lynn's autobiography before you make statements like this was normal. She states clearly that getting married when you were 13 was not common in her region in those days and that her father wanted to scalp her husband. Loretta got herself mixed up with an older man who should probably have been birched by her father, but the family decided to let them marry because they thought she'd have a better chance at a future with a husband in the military than trying to grow up in a house with a really lot of kids.

If you study demographics you find out that the average age of marriage at the turn of the 20th Century was mid-20s for women and close to 30 for men. They didn't have birth control, so they used abstinence and delayed marriage to keep from having more kids than they wanted. It's a misperception that people were getting married when they were 15 on a regular basis in past generations. They weren't. There may have been exceptions, but society wasn't as dumb as we like to think. They were a lot more sophistocated and worldly than many of us are today. For instance, they knew that sex creates babies and that indiscriminated sex transmits disease. I think a lot of us don't know this anymore.

So, this whole thing about teens being adults back in the day -- semi-true. Of course, an 8th grade education in 1900 was a pretty solid education that assured you could run a farm or business and knew a bit about politics and the classics. Now, you have to go to college for that. And, men couldn't vote until they were 21. Didn't matter if they'd lived on their own or not. They couldn't vote and they couldn't own land until they were 21. And, many men and almost all women lived with their parents until they got married. My grandparents were 26 when they got married and were living on the cattle ranch where they were both employed when they met, but they had neither of them ever lived independent of their families except as part of schooling or a job where housing was provided in a somewhat chaperoned way. There wasn't the suspicion of the older generations that became common in the 60s. My greatgrandparents mentored my grandparents and my grandparents mentored their children. My brother and I said "You cna't trust anyone over 30."

Well, if we won't talk to the older generations, how are we supposed to become mature and sensible? I'm trying to recapture that sort of comfort level with my daughter and I know several friends who are attempting the same thing. In many cases, we're having conversations with older adults that when we were teens we would never have considered speaking with. Guess what we're finding out? They knew all along what we needed to know, but we refused to listen.

The good news is -- traditional family values are not dead, they're just need to be relearned and some of us are working hard on our reeducation.

Technology had a role, too
It used to be that ill-considered sex could easily lead to a terminal venereal disease - then came antibiotics. That solved one problem, but created another. For example, there were infantry divisions in WWII that had upwards of 25% of their effective strength incapacitated by VD, even though the men were being treated and would recover.

Then came the great AIDS scare, but turns out most heterosexuals won't come in contact with it. Even if you get it, there's medicine. Ditto herpes. So one big barrier to wanton behavior has been destroyed by technology.

Societal changes have had their impact too - bastardy is barely stigmatized at all anymore, for example. The end result is an overwhelming onslaught that human society simply was unprepared for and had no means of adapting to.

re: aurorawatcher
aurorawatcher wrote:

"... Liberty First - you ought to read Loretta Lynn's autobiography before you make statements like this was normal. She states clearly that getting married when you were 13 was not common in her region in those days and that her father wanted to scalp her husband..."

>>>

Yep. It was so *un*common that Loretta was a mother at 14 and a grandmother at 29. Do the math. I cannot find *which* of her children made her a grandma at 29, but with her first born when she was 14, the *oldest* of Loretta's children was only 15 when she became a grandmother.

Now, before you mischaracterize my statement, I said, "It wasn't that very long ago that todays' 'children' (teens) were getting married and starting families of their own. Re: Loretta Lynn."

(A) I never suggested it was "normal", as in the norm rather than the exception, but rather *more* normal, as in not as uncommon, than it is now.

(B) Loretta Lynn is a great example for two reasons --
... 1 ) Her biography is easy enough to look up; and
... 2 ) It wasn't *that* long ago.


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"... If you study demographics you find out that the average age of marriage at the turn of the 20th Century was mid-20s for women and close to 30 for men. They didn't have birth control, so they used abstinence and delayed marriage to keep from having more kids than they wanted. It's a misperception that people were getting married when they were 15 on a regular basis in past generations. They weren't. There may have been exceptions, but society wasn't as dumb as we like to think..."

>>

Then you need to study sociology and anthropology a bit farther back.

Are you familiar with the custom of the Debutant Ball? At 16 young women were "presented" to society as Ladies, complete with being eligible to be courted by eligible bachelors.

How about farther back, in near-East, mid-East, and far-Eastern cultures that regularly arranged marriages for teens and young adults?

Before modern medicine, life expectancies were shorter, miscarriage and complications during birth were more common, and infant/childhood mortality was a lot higher. As a consequence, it was, anthropologically speaking, beneficial for women to marry and begin rearing children sooner. It helped ensure that more offspring survived to continue the family line. Six, eight, and even more children were *not* uncommon.

Regardless, marriage was but one example. (See below...)

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"... So, this whole thing about teens being adults back in the day -- semi-true. Of course, an 8th grade education in 1900 was a pretty solid education that assured you could run a farm or business and knew a bit about politics and the classics..."

>>

Bingo! Well, almost.

Not so long ago, as in within the last millenia, life was, well, simpler. Generally speaking -- barring training for specialty skills such as blacksmithing, artisans, or medicine -- youngsters were prepared to be independent individuals. The average young man was equipped with the knowledge and skills to hunt, fish, cure meats and hides, tend crops, build a shed or modest home, thatch or mend a roof, build and mend fences and walls, perform basic first aid, and/or a whole host of other appropriate skills to live independently. The average young woman was equipped with the knowledge and skills to cook, darn, knit, weave, sew, mill wheat, preserve foods, care for children. Generally speaking young men were prepared to be independent and young women were prepared to be homemakers of their own with minimal *formal* education *and* by the time they were young teens.

The real difference between then and now is technology. Starting with the industrial revolution and culminating with the technological revolution, the proliferation of technology throughout developed cultures has made life far more complex.

There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking...

Two centuries ago, literacy was *not* an absolute necessity to be an independent individual. Now, literacy *is* (nearly) a prerequisite to being an independent individual.

Two centuries ago, formal education was *not* an absolute necessity to grow into an individual capable of providing for oneself and one's family. Now, particularly with the dumbing down of the education system, a minimum of, at least, 8 years of formal education is absolutely required.

As a consequence, in modern, developed cultures, our offspring are dependent upon us (their parents) far longer than in the past and even in modern, *un*developed cultures. In the past, even though children stayed with their parents until they got married or whatever, they were not *required* to. They were prepared for and capable of being independent. Today, however, they're *not*. They *have* to stay with their parents *because* they are *un*prepared for independence.

Consequently, the protracted dependence of our offspring in our *culture* has lead to us treating them as dependents and, therefore, children. Developmentally, physiologically, and, even, anthropologically, they outgrow childhood when they reach adolesence. Our culture *needs* to acknowledge that.

Young adults *need* more freedom, more independence, and more responsibility than we currently allow them as "children". Note, this is *not* to say that we need to treat them as full-fledged, sovereign individuals -- as adults for all intents and purposes -- but we *do* need to quit molly-coddling them and treating them like children.

cover 'em up and shut "em up
cover them up and shut them up, and beat them up when they get uppity-that is the moslem attitude toward women. I must admit, although I hate moslems and their culture ( gasp!, yes, that's right, HATE) I DO admire the modesty they demand of their women. Female modesty USED to be a virtue in our culture and didn't require brutal enforcement. There is as I see it only one institution in our culture that is responsible for this change- and that is the media. It would be nice if our society and our women voluntarily chose to return to those days but I'm afraid it won't happen and I'm afraid that is wwhy we will lose our struggle with Islam. At some point western men will decide they have had enough of the harpies and chose a religion that enables them to "shut them up, cover them up and beat them up"
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