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Thursday, June 18, 2009
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is Sotomayor Anti-Gun?
by Steve Chapman
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Last summer, the Supreme Court, for the first time ever, said the Second Amendment protects an individual right to own a gun for self-defense. It was a historic decision that put real limits on gun control. But gun-rights advocates complain that someone didn't get the memo -- someone named Sonia Sotomayor.

Exhibit A is her decision in January to uphold the conviction of a New York man for possession of fighting sticks called nunchakus. He said the law violated his right to keep and bear arms. But in a unanimous decision joined by Sotomayor, the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals found "it is settled law … that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states and therefore imposed no limitations on New York's ability to prohibit the possession of nunchakus" -- or, by implication, firearms.

Does that sound like the sort of arrogant verdict you would expect from an activist, liberal, gun-hating judge? It shouldn't. Sotomayor's decision was a model of judicial restraint that was entirely appropriate given the Supreme Court's record.

Don't take my word for it. The issue of whether the Second Amendment limits the power of state and local governments recently came up in the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago. Good luck finding an activist liberal on the panel issuing that decision. It was composed entirely of judges appointed by Republican presidents. Yet it ruled exactly the same way.

The author of the decision was Frank Easterbrook, one of the most intellectually formidable conservatives on the federal bench. In his opinion, he said "we agree with" the Sotomayor court's decision. Last year's Supreme Court ruling, he noted, applied only in the District of Columbia, a federal enclave, and past Supreme Court rulings rejected extending the Second Amendment to the states.

That conclusion, said Easterbrook, "is open to re-examination by the justices themselves when the time comes." In the meantime, a lower court should not "strike off on its own." There is no guarantee, in his view, that the Supreme Court will expand the reach of the Second Amendment. "Federalism," he wrote, "is an older and more deeply rooted tradition than is a right to carry any particular kind of weapon."

You could interpret Sotomayor's ruling (and Easterbrook's) as proof of something bad: a rejection of the Second Amendment. Or you could interpret it as proof of something good: judicial restraint. It is tempting for supporters of gun rights, myself included, to wish that lower courts would go beyond what the Supreme Court has done. But that is the kind of judicial activism we tend to oppose when it's done for other, less congenial causes.

But her critics charge that Sotomayor's anti-gun bias was on display even before this decision. In 2004, she joined a decision dismissing a Second Amendment claim by an illegal immigrant convicted of handgun possession, noting that her court had previously said "the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental right."

Sorry, but this assertion is no smoking gun either. It was merely a reasonable summary of legal precedents that she was obligated to follow. The Supreme Court's chief previous ruling on the Second Amendment, in 1939, after all, rejected the idea that individuals have a right to own guns for personal use.

If that weren't clear enough, in 1980 the justices stated that a federal ban on gun possession by felons did not affect "any constitutionally protected liberties." When Sotomayor's court said gun ownership is not a fundamental right, it was giving not a personal opinion of what should be, but a simple declaration of the state of the law as it stood in 2004.

Of course Sotomayor may have found that it also fit neatly with her policy preferences. Given her generally liberal profile and her selection by a president who is not exactly a Second Amendment stalwart, the chances are pretty good that she takes a favorable view of gun control.

But you can't prove it based on how she's ruled from the bench. Nothing in her judicial record would preclude her from voting to reaffirm the court's decision last year -- or going further to strike down state and city gun bans.

Maybe that's hoping for too much. But Supreme Court nominees have surprised presidents before. Until we find a certified mind reader to ransack Sotomayor's innermost thoughts about gun laws, we ought to admit something commentators hate to say: We don't know.

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Another column on this same subject.
In a recent column by Mr Sullum, he addressed the same subject and came up with far more detail than is in this. According to Mr Sullum, there are precedence that can point either way.

These two columns in total indicate that, if they wanted to find precedent to support the position, they could, and would then have that precedent agreed or disagreed by the SCOTUS.

This would suggest that Sotomayor either looked far enough to find support for her position, or did little research. Either way, it does not bode well for her position on the second amendment.

Her choice was to take a position, as apposed to passing it on, as other recent appeals have apparently done. Were she to support the second, I would assume that she would have chosen different precedent. She does not seem to avoid potential for SCOTUS overturn of her rulings in many other cases.

This article was a disappointment in the lack of detail that it displayed in comparison to the very recent article from Mr Sullum, here on TH, on the same subject.


In a nation of Laws....

In a nation of laws and not of men it would not matter if Sotomayer is for or against the right to carry a gun.

But since it does matter, that is a clear indication that we are no longer a nation of laws but of men.

It should not matter what her personal views are but what the U.S. Consitution says.

We know at the time the 2nd amemdment was written, only states had militias. However, Sotomayer has already written that she does not believe the 2nd amemdment applies to states.

How wrong can wrong be? She obviously will interpret the law the way she wants it to read and not the way the law actually is.

Is she anti-gun? Yeah. Most likely.
Isn't that true of every statist government control freak?

They are anti everything that legitimately and constitutionally belongs to the people of these United States -- including our right to protect ourselves and our right to be left in peace.

Supreme Court ruling of 1939
I'm sorry, but where exactly does the Supreme Court's chief previous ruling (in 1939)reject the idea that individuals have the right to own guns for personal use? US v. Miller did no such thing. It ruled that a tax/registration levied for the purchase of certain TYPES of guns (machine guns & sawed off shotguns)did not violate the second amendment, but the purchase of those types a guns as well as other guns for personal use were clearly allowed by the 1939 ruling.

In addition, the precedent that the Sotomayor and the 2nd Circuit used in rejecting the 2nd amendment claim was Presser v. Illinois - 1886 which states clearly that "the states cannot...prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security, and disable the people from performing their duty to the general government." So the precedent used to allow a states to deprive a citizen from keeping and bearing arms says that the states cannot prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms.

It appears the the judge either cannot comprehend Supreme Court precedents, or choses to reject precedent in favor of her own views. Either scenario is scary.

I would bet a resounding yes
It's the only area Obama's "control everything" mindset hasn't had the stones to go after yet. After all, wouldn't want to let the full cat out of the bag about his being a total Marxist and dictator / tyrant. His total confiscation plan for firearms will be enacted via activist judges or international treaty. After all, why let the Constitution stop him now? He's basically circumvented it for everything else he's done so far.

Not if the guns in question
are in the hands of terrorists/goondas of either commiequeer (such as the Puerto Rican group she had sympathies for while at Princeton), Islamist (such as the Little Rock recruiter murderer, DC snipers or US recruits for AQ) or Latino-version-of-chav (such as Aztlan movement)!

But if the guns are in hands of patriotic Americans, yes she is anti-gun.

Useful idiots, and how wrong can the
author be? The second Amendment clearly applies to the states due the militia clause. As you pointed out, only States had militias, therefore the 2nd applies directly to the States. The clarity and logic could not be simpler, yet the Scotus nominee and the author of this worthless article can't seem to find it.

Is this plain enough English
A well armed citizenry is necessary for the security of a free state and the protection of individual liberty; therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed or even questioned by any government entity.


Our rights do not depend on the interpretation of plain English by 9 minions in black robes. Our rights are God given (natural if you prefer) and as such are inviolate .Our rights existed before the Constitution and the BOR and will continue to exist no matter what the opinion of SCOTUS. Whatever Sotomayor or any other judge may think bears no relevance to our God given inalienable rights. I will continue to own as many arms as I wish and will fight vehemently against anyone who tries to take them. We the People are the final arbiters of our rights, not the SCOTUS or any branch of government and We the People will retain our right to stay armed. History is replete with examples of people who either chose or were forcefully disarmed by their “benevolent” governments and the slaughter that ensued.

"You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy... The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal." --Thomas Jefferson, 1820



Not surprised at all
I'm not surprised that TH readers just plunged ahead and ignored the points so carefully made about Sotomajor's opinions, and had no problem attacking her for what may, or may not, be her actual views. Chapman claims that conservatives (at least like himself) are suspicious of judicial activism even with regard to positions of which they approve. Chapman is in a tiny minority of conservatives, who have no problem with judicial activism as long as they like the results.

Much of conservative legal discourse is a sham. Originalism is just judicial activism that conservaties agree with. At least Sotomajor is sensible enough to just go on and acknowledge what anyone who follows Supreme Court cases can tell pretty easily: the Supreme Court makes policy, pure and simple. Left or Right, regardless of the arcana of constitutional scholars.

What government produces is 'public policy,' which includes acts of Congress, executive decisions, agency regulations, and (cue drumroll) federal court opinions.

reply to free in PA
People like you make me very happy that generally speaking the police can outgun you. I suppose you are the final authority concerning who you will shoot, when, and why. Judge, jury, and executioner in one repellent package--sounds like an authentic conservative to me.

Is Chapman Anti-American?
Looks like he is full of HATE.

To the Author:
We already know Sotomayor is a racist, sexist, judicial activist, by her own unrepentant admission. Perhaps instead of trying to justify her apparently anti-2nd amendment rulings by saying "she was just following precedent," you could take note of the fact that she has been frequently willing to blow off precedence in other matters which she may support. Why should we excuse her sudden departure from her normal methods and believe that she is not anti-gun?

She has already stated that she believes her job is to make policy. She has also made it common knowlege that she tows the party lines. Given these issues, along with the lack of any favorable rulings on behalf of gun rights, I think it is rather evident of which way she swings on our right to bear arms.

To be honest, I would rather her not make any rulings, either favorable or averse, regarding firearms if the basis is opposed to the law. We would just have to fight it all the same as judicial activism.

What about other amendments?

Well Since Sotomayer beleives the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to States, we should find out if she also believes other amendments don't apply to states.

Perhaps she believes the 1st amendment doesn't apply to states.

Perhaps she believes the 4 amendment doesn't apply to states.

Liberals have a long history of opposing freedoms. We need to find out what other aspects of the U.S. Constitution Sotomayer does not believe apply to States.

WHY Obama HIDES his Birth Certificate ..
Joseph Farah of WND has written:

#Perhaps something in that birth certificate, if it indeed exists, would contradict assertions Obama has made about his life's story. These might even involve his true parental heritage. Without a real birth certificate, no one really knows who his parents were. So it is ridiculous even to speculate about whether citizenship could be conferred upon him by his mother, when we don't know for sure who his mother is.


#Perhaps it reveals a foreign birth, as Hawaii allowed for in 1961 while still issuing the "certification of live birth" we have seen posted on his website.


#Or perhaps it will show just what Obama has claimed all along – a birth in Hawaii to two officially non-citizen parents, for the purpose of establishing "natural born citizenship" under the Constitution.

Want to find out more about our FAKE POTUS then go to http://www.worldnetdaily.com and READ all you can ... GET UP TO SPEED on the GREATEST HOAX of the 21st Century...

USPatriot56

First and Second Amendments
There are several SCOTUS decisions that affirm private gun ownership, and several that give the states some regulatory power. Another historical fact to remember is that some earlier lower court decisions granting the states the right to ban gun ownership to certain classes applied only to Black ownership of guns. The latest SCOTUS decision comes down heavily for private gun ownership as a right.

To be logically consistent, if the Second Amendment can be applied only to the Federal government, then so can the first. It would be perfectly legal for a state to ban any type of expression it wanted to. Also, any state could establish a State religion, and levy tithes on the population to support it (which in fact was the case in several of the original thirteen states)

Reply to Gestell #10
What was so scary about #8's post? Thomas Jefferson's quote or the reference to "natural" rights? Nowhere in #8's post does he make any reference to wildly shooting anyone - only that the right to self-protection is NOT derived from the Constitution, but from something far older. #8 states that he will "vehemently fight against" those that try to take control of those rights - as we all should, don't you think?

Sigmund Freud associated retarded sexual and emotional development with a fear of weapons - perhaps you were one of his patients.

Hard Truths for the Left
I did not read this essay. There's no need to do so. The truth is quite simple.

Our constitution was plainly written by men who clearly meant for all of us to be armed. They had just fought a war to defeat tyranny and knew the value of weaponry in the hands of the people, as they said in the constitution.

Our Supreme Court clearly addressed this issue and merely reconfirmed what all intelligent people already knew.

Over the years, subversive elements in our society have conjured up all sorts of clever trickery to advance non-sensical ideas of "collective rights" and other garbage. This is how they employ expensive degrees at our best universities. They try to deceive and delude us.

Millions of Americans have tens of millions of guns and tons of ammunition. Millions more are being sold at this moment with all gun and ammuntion makers working round the clock to fill the back orders. Thus, it is too late for the communists in this country to do anything about their dismay over our guns other than eat their black hearts out.

Many thousands of serious gun owners have taken many tactical gun courses and are experts in the use of them. They are better trained than the majority of law enforcement and much of the active and reserve military. We know this from their own mouths at their attendance at these courses, which they pay for before depolyment to Iraq.

If and when the day comes, American patriots will do well and make us proud.


Chapman Didn't Do His Research
He got Miller dead wrong. A ruling that a short barrel shotgun is not a suitable militia weapon (which was wrong at the time, but since the defense didn't bother to appear or file a full brief, the government's position was the only one considered), can not morph into the 2d Amendment doesn't protect an individual right. And he ignored the fact that the Uber-liberal 9th Circuit managed to find the correct answer and ruled that the 2d is "incorporated" via the 14th Amendment, just as the others (except the 3d, no cases on troops being housed in homes have arisen). In the Heller decision, Justice Scalia mentions (in a footnote) that incorporation by the 14th Amendment seems appropriate. But Chapman couldn't find that either. Maybe Chapman was only concerned with making sure that Chicago's 7th Circuit decision is "settled law" as long as possible (as well as the Chicago handgun ban which it upholds)?

The usual "stare decicis" cases cited regarding the 2d Amendment (Presser and Slaughterhouse) are 19th Century cases which were decided before the SCOTUS decided the 14th Amendment demanded "incorporation" of the Bill of Rights as applying to the states in the 20th century. I don't see Chapman making any rational argument as to why only the 2d and 3d Amendments (of those which are individual protections) should be the only Amendments which are not subject to incorporation (though obviously the instance of a case involving the 3d Amendment will hopefully never get to the Court).

Further reading on this issue

Six months AFTER the Supreme Court's ruling in D.C v Heller,
Sotomayor joined an unsigned six-page opinion in Maloney,
that Second Amendment rights are not "fundamental"

Maloney v Cuomo Quote:
"Legislative acts that do not interfere with fundamental rights
or single out suspect classifications carry with them a
strong presumption of constitutionality and must be upheld
if ‘rationally related to a legitimate state interest.' "

Did Sotomayor intentionally ignore where the Heller Court
called the right to privately own arms "fundamental"?

D. C. v Heller Quote:
“By the time of the founding, the right to have arms
had become fundamental for English subjects. ...
Blackstone, whose works, we have said,
"constituted the preeminent authority on English law
for the founding generation," ... cited the arms provision
of the Bill of Rights as one of the fundamental rights of Englishmen.”

Second Amendment expert Prof. David Kopel criticized
the Maloney v Cuomo panel for its analytical deficiency:

“The Maloney court's approach was evasive and disingenuous. ...
Judges Sotomayor, Pooler, and Katzman simply presumed-
-with no legal reasoning- -that the right to arms is not a
fundamental right. The opinion in Maloney v. Cuomo is not
a good example of intellectual rigor.

When a judge treats a constitutional right as non-fundamental-
-yet cites no legal authority, and does not even acknowledge
that the issue has been raised on appeal--it raises the possibility
that the judge may be hostile to that right.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/sotomayors_fundament al_flaws_1.html



Ken Starr

Well we knew Ken Starr was not a partisan. That is why Janet Reno appointed him.

Liberals demonize Ken Starr. According to Liberals Ken Starr can not be trusted.

Not surprised, you say, Gestell?
You're not surprised, you wrote, "that TH readers just plunged ahead and ignored the points so carefully made about Sotomajor's opinions. …"

-- Points so carefully made by whom? What have you got against clarity, anyhow? Afraid we may discover that you've no clue what you're talking about? A little late, no?

You write that we have "no problem attacking her for what may, or may not, be her actual views."

-- Well. what may or may not they be? If we don't we know, then what do we need her for? So long as this next justice is going to have a job for life -- which neither you nor I are guaranteed for ourselves, are we? -- shouldn't we KNOW what his/her views are before we buy?

You write: "Chapman is in a tiny minority of conservatives, who have no problem with judicial activism as long as they like the results."

-- What are you saying here? That as long as certain "conservatives" are going to be hypocritical anyway, we might as well go ahead and sanction judicial activism? Convenient! Have you any interest in integrity? Or are you the standard-issue libbie: The ends justify the means! Whatever works! Winning is everything!

Separately, you say that Free in PA is gun-happy and "Judge, jury, and executioner in one repellent package," then sneer that he "sounds like an authentic conservative" to you.

You snivelly little bigot: Does he "sound" like Mike Medved to you? Dennis Prager? Ever hear Laura Ingraham say such? Coulter? Cal Thomas?

Which "authentic conservative[s]"?

Why are you such a dweeb?

Gestell
Spoken like a true “progressive” useful idiot. All of Gods creatures are born with an instinctual reflex to self preservation, most are born with the weapons to serve this purpose; teeth claws, venom etc. Mankind was born with the ability to reason and to accumulate knowledge. To date, with this knowledge, the most effective weapon he has invented to defend his life, liberty and property, is the firearm. Till such a time comes when something more effective than the firearm is invented it only makes sense to keep and bear the most effective tool for preservation of self and family. You may wish to depend on the police or some other government agent to defend you and your family; however I choose to take care of myself and my family. You ask a question; “I suppose you are the final authority concerning who you will shoot, when, and why.”; The obvious answer is, of course I am the final authority in this situation? Who else would be responsible if and when I was forced to defend myself by shooting someone? You seem to believe we live in a utopian paradise full of perfect people who would harm no one else. I choose to live in reality, where bad things do happen to good people. I do not go in search of violence against anyone; however, where my God given, natural rights are concerned; I will not go quietly into the “socialist nightmare” of your utopian wet dream.
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