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Sunday, April 19, 2009
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Truths Behind the Tea Parties
by Steve Chapman
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The banking collapse and the economic meltdown have prompted many Americans to turn to the federal government as indispensable savior, telling Congress and the president: We hope you can fix it; we want you to do whatever is necessary to fix it; and we don't care what it costs.

That was not the sentiment in evidence at the tea party protests held on Tax Day.

There, the message was one of great skepticism about the efficacy of the government's remedies and great apprehension about the expense (along with some of the extremist lunacy that accompanies any mass movement). The scale of the federal response to the crises has come as a frightening surprise to many Americans, who suspect the cure will be worse, and less transitory, than the disease.

Since last September, a federal budget that was already growing steadily suddenly accelerated out of control. The ride began in the winter of 2008, when Congress and President Bush agreed on a fiscal stimulus package of $170 billion in tax rebates and incentives. It picked up speed in the fall, when the Treasury spent $85 billion to take over insurance giant AIG and Congress approved $700 billion to rescue failing financial institutions.

By the time Barack Obama took office in January, projected federal outlays for this year had soared by nearly $1 trillion over last year, and the budget deficit had nearly quadrupled. But was that enough? Not nearly. Obama saw Bush and raised him, immediately pushing through another fiscal stimulus program with a price tag of $787 billion.

Fiscal hawks thought the budget was out of control before. Now they look back on the pre-2008 profligacy as a golden age of budgetary restraint.

The amount of money involved in all this would be staggering to anyone not benumbed by the incessant torrent of bad news. But judging from the tea party protests, the numbness is not universal. No matter what the state of the economy, some Americans are still capable of being shocked to see trillions of federal dollars pouring out like water rushing over a broken dam. And like many reputable economists, they suspect most of it will be wasted.

The invocations of the Boston Tea Party -- on April 15, no less -- suggested that the protests stemmed from anger about taxes under Obama. But Obama has not actually increased income taxes -- only the federal tax on tobacco, which the majority of people don't pay. His tax plan calls for cutting income taxes for most Americans, and not raising them on the rest until 2011.

So why did people rally across the country when they should have been planning how to spend their tax refunds? Because their true dismay is about the mushrooming of federal outlays, which the demonstrators regard as a future tax increase in the making. Which, of course, it is.

The problem is not just the spending supposedly needed for the current economic emergency. Obama claims that he will cut the deficit in half, to $533 billion, by the end of his first term. Two problems: 1) The Congressional Budget Office says the more likely number is $672 billion, and 2) that is 46 percent more than the deficit in 2008. Worse yet, the CBO says the deficit will then resume its upward trajectory, reaching $1 trillion by 2018 and nearly doubling the national debt over the next decade.

The realism about expenditures is the encouraging thing about the protests. It's easy to convince people that the government should take less of their money. It's harder to persuade them that the government should provide them less in the way of benefits and services. Yet the teabaggers took the view that whatever Washington plans to provide, they don't want -- not at this price, anyway.

The country has gotten into a painful fiscal predicament because both parties have let us believe we can have more and more goodies from Washington at no additional cost. The recent explosion of federal spending has succeeded in one way: It has exposed that assumption for the fiction it was.

Like Bernie Madoff's investors, we now face the bleak truth that the comfortable future we expected is gone. Everything the federal government is doing will be forcibly extracted from our future earnings. The tea party protesters see that and are angry. Can the rest of the country be far behind?

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Aligning with the Tea Party movement
While the Republican party wants to align with the tea party crowd they were specifically rejected at many of the rallies. Steele himself was rejected as a speaker at the Chicago rally. I considered going just to watch from a distance but like the Palin rallies, I really didn't want to be caught on the local news next to a person making beyond te pale comments. It is a personal choice. I wonder about the people that can so easily stand next to a proud Neo Nazi or some other person making racist comments about the president. That crowd is starting to define conservatism with the public.

Will
You and I must have seen very different coverage of the tea parties. Most of the people I saw were average citizens concerned about excessive spending, and worried about what the ultimate consequences of that spending will be. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that taking on excessive debt to try and solve preexisting financial problems generally leads to financial ruin. No one wants that.

I want my young son to have a future filled with opportunity, not oppressive and crippling taxation. Unfortunately, he will probably spend his entire adult life paying high taxes as a result of this political generation's fiscal irresponsibility and greed.

Sorry, deficits not sexy enough
Where you sit determines what you see. Much like the group of blind people who come upon an elephant and make several accurate findings, but none really get the whole picture. And so columnists like Chapman welcome any sign among the public that looks like popular uprising against deficit spending.

Well, over the decades there has always been a small group alarmed by deficits, but rarely does it truly have much impact. A rare exception was recorded in 1992, when Ross Perot and then Bill Clinton capitalized on the issue.

In the Tea Party case the picture of the whole elephant is a mishmash of people expressing rightist populist anger-- at taxes that haven't been proposed or levied, at lack of representation -- a myth, at a president who isn't legitimate, a president who is a fascist. Many well meaning people led through the nose by irresponsible, anti-democratic demagogs.

The Whole Hitler Thing - Part 1
I've been a part of a number of Tea Partys of late, the latest being in Philadelphia yesterday, and I have yet to see any Hitler-Obama signs, but did see the fuss that Susan Roesgen of CNN made of one charicature in Chicago, bemoaning the fact that someone might be criticizing Obama.

The hypocracy is that she was quite enthusiastic back in 2006 when a protester did the exact same thing to George W. Bush.

Adolf Hitler said, "The great masses of the people are more easily swayed by a big lie than by a small one."

Barack Obama continues to tout that 90% of all the guns confiscated in Mexico can be traced back to the United States despite the fact that fiqure was debunked immeadiately (90% of guns that COULD be traced were from the US...about 14% overall, quite a difference)

The Cap-n-Trade Energy Policy is based on the belief of Global Warming, and the Left just can't seem to let this one go, championed by BO himself...all of it is just BS.

The administration refuses to admit that BO bowed before the King of Saudi Arabia when any child can plainly see the truth.

The mock outrage over the AIG bonuses, when his administration insured that specific language was included in the otherwise unread Stimulus Bill to assure it.

The purposeful removal of the E-Verify program funding from the same bill to insure that real American citizens benifited from the 'shovel-ready' work projects instead of the 13 million illegal aliens


The Whole Hitler Thing - Part 2
The list goes on, but I have one question to ask...why would this administration float the idea of having the returning Iragi War Veterans pay for their own war wounds with their private insurance not once, but twice in the 90 days that he's been in office?

There is much to question about the things he is doing and saying and unfortunately the MSM is not being the watchdog for the nation because they're too busy being Obama's lapdog and guardian.

Of course that's why every Liberal Rag in the country is going out of business...but that doesn't make the news either.

P.S. Hitler proved he knew what he was talking about....take heed.

Will Ca. 12:35a.m.
Your post was simply not true. It may have been what you wanted to see ...,but that is not what you saw. Why lie? Do the TEA parties frighten you?

I saw many signs. They were not hateful. One sign said,"I DO NOT CARE WHO STARTED THE SPENDING. I JUST WANT IT TO STOP!" This was the theme Will.

You are from California. Your state is bankrupt!It was the very same type of state govt. spending that we are now seeing at the federal level that put your beautiful California in such dire straits.Don't you get it?

You can write about your fantasy tea parties that you observed while channel surfing.That is exactly what they are. FANTASY! Stop posting, start learning!


RE: Chapman on Tea Parties
Chapmans' column nailed the anger and frustration behing the Tea Parties. But please, don't use the term "teabaggers." The citizens who showed up apparently have much more foresight and insight into economics than the people in government.

I didn't see too many Obama-as-Hitler signs, although Obama is starting to look to me just a little bit like a dictator -- determined to get his agenda implemented, by means of the Constitution or otherwise. Like... Congress put cap-and-trade on a back-burner, so Obama's trying to get the EPA to do it by directive now.

I write my congressmen and get back a bunch of happy-talk about their concerns and agendas. Hey, it's OUR country; they're destroying OUR future. We have to do something. And it's becoming apparent that only the citizens are willing to even try to preserve the republic and our individual freedom.


To The Columnist...

Steve Chapman wrote...

" The realism about expenditures is the encouraging thing about the protests. It's easy to convince people that the government should take less of their money. It's harder to persuade them that the government should provide them less in the way of benefits and services. Yet the teabaggers took the view that whatever Washington plans to provide, they don't want -- not at this price, anyway. "

~~~

Mr. Chapman,

I first read about the term "teabaggers" a week or two ago, AND read that it was a vile term.

I wondered what they might mean by that term, and about two seconds later, I reasoned why.

It turned out that I was correct, as Mr. McCullough explained it on his column today.

I was surprised and disgusted that you used the same term in your column, as quoted above, in referring to a large number of honorable people who simply want their country back to a very much more reasonable taxation plan.


I know it is difficult to keep up with the rapidly changing lexicon, but as a widely read columnist, you should try harder.





Do I think the rest will follow?
I think not, many of the voters are slackers who are looking for something for nothing. He has alot of democratic votes regardless of there ernings & then He has a great majority of the monorities who don't care only because he is black, some white's also. I watched & listened to many black folk. the working one's doesn't want their pocket picket & then you have people who never did anything. The ones who want a free ride at working peoples expense. Its a sad state when the country is so divided but i think that was the plan. China & other foreign nations own over 50% of our countries treasuries bonds, Either people don't care to read enough or are stupid that they can't read. unemployment is up to almost 10% yet they are calling to legalize illegals to take away more american jobs.. The way this country is think, GOD help up because we just don't get it. Even sader is the youth who are too young to remember hard time's have this sense of entitlement. They don't realize that they are going to be slaves to the country for the rest of their lives without trying to make their lives better & have the real things they want not the thing the government say that's all we can afford to give you. Thank GOD i'm old enough to have seen the good times & bad & probably won't have to be around another life time to suffer through it, just my old age, God bless the REAL Americans

Bernie Madoff/Obama
and Politicians---what is the difference. They all rip like thieves our wealth by spending money that is not theirs.

Any spending by Washington is about stealing money from me to give to another. Robin Hood was still a thief.

Taxation is a government that rips its citizens. What can government do that citizens and free market can not do, more efficiently?

We have gone the full circle of individual charity-to government charity-now worst--government and charity organizations. Government hated individuals being more powerful then them(politicians)and wanted control. Found they did a lousy job and now want us to join in.

HogWash---government needs to get out and let individual freedom do charity and free enterprise handle affairs. It does not matter where immorality is it only matters the size of it you will have to combat. Government or individuals?

Madoff can steal from you or you can call upon Government as a mass to steal. I prefer the first an individual in liberty--then the latter--government having me bound in chains.

Drivel
Mr. Chapman, please explain in detail the "the extremist lunacy that accompanied this mass movement." Also, "teabaggers?" How condescending and revealing of your true opinion of the people who demonstrated against a government out of control.

You have no clue as to how the "people" feel toward the pending rule by the government and frankly, it is your pitiful elitist attitude that is at the true root of the problem.



Awakening
The T.E.A. party's were and are a sucsess, they had people of every color, political party, belief, and class attending.
Americans by the score are wakeing up to the fact that [1] government cant not give the people everything they want, { nor should they try to } [2] that as of right now, if everything were to go full bore it will take 4-5 genarations to pay off this debt of somewhere around 14 trillion dollars. [3] that Mr. Obama has surrounded himself with people who worked for some of the same company's on wall street that we bailed out. [4] that there has yet been any attempt to reinstate any of the rules and regulations that had kept wall street somewhat honest.
[5] that no one is going to be held responcible for this mess.
[6] that the federal reserve is not OUR friend..
[7] that the federal government is overreaching it's bounds, set forth by the constitution..
[8] that some of it's recent polocy's are a direct threat to the constituion..and the people of America..
The list go's on & on.. mostley, we Americans are mad as hell at the intire government, and we know that they, the government is not the answer....

A good column
Steve, you've done a fairly good job of articulating why so many of us are mad as hell. And it isn't a left-right thing so much as a statist vs liberty thing. I began getting disillusioned with Republicans a log time ago, giving up on them as fighters for principles of social conservatism. But I did have some remaining slender hopes that enough of them would still value fiscal conservatism to try to stop, or at least slow, the bursting of the deficit dam. Bush and Bernanke's bank bailout plan put the last nail in that coffin.

Glenn Beck had an interesting chart the other day. He drew a line on a white board with far left and far right, far left being socialism/communism/statism and far right being no government anarchy. He said most people think of the fight between the two parties as being between the extremes. But the reality is, the Democratic party is about 3/4 of the way left of center toward statism and the Republicans are about 2/3 toward the left. The Constitution, on the other hand, is about 2/3 from the right of center, giving the federal government just enough power to keep us safe and keep the states held together.

The upshot is, our representatives are not fighting between conservatism and liberalism, they are nitpicking over the degrees of statism that will be acceptable as we continue our slide toward complete central federal government control of every aspect of out lives.

Forget wind or solar power. We should just find a way to harness the energy of our founders spinning in their graves. We'd have energy left over to sell.

And one other thing, Steve-please stop calling us 'tea baggers'. That is a crude term for a practice that most of us find reprehensible. If you need clarification as to it's meaning, ask Barney Frank.

"Teabaggers?"
What is comical about this term is that most people in the Tax Tea Party movement did not know what this term meant until the Liberal Media spelled it out. Is it strange that the mouths in the Liberal media know that term. Probably got it from Cooper at CNN or maybe Barney Franks. They surely know what it means. Most people I spoke to during out tea party would not even speak the definition if they had learned the term and definition from the main street media.

Tea Party Awakening
Thank God for the minority of Americans starting to recognize that the the Obama program for a healthy America is more debt, higher taxes & loss of rights. Maybe some of the Democrats will wake up an stand in line with us.

My wife attended the tea party in Chicago, and said it couldn't have been more peaceful. By excluding the left wing Democrats there wasn't a need to have police control anything. The talk of Hitler like protesters wasn't to be found.The left wing wants to picture us in the same light as them a bunch of crazies. It's like Clinton saying everyone has sex outside of marriage so where is the problem?

As to Mr. Chapman his facts need to be corrected. Yes Bush had a deficit of around $450 Billion. Remember folks dear lord Obama presided in Congress at the time of the last budget. I don't remember him voicing any concern about spending. In fact he was running for president just about his whole term. As to Bush increasing the budget with the bailout this isn't really correct. This was in fact a LOAN. It is to be paid back. So please Mr. Chapman correct your statements. The real deficits & tax increases are coming. Hold on to your hats.

Tea Parties
for true patriots. Citizens are disgusted with the socialist ramblings of the new incompetent in the Whitehouse.

Will writes: I hope the conservative movement isn't inviting anybody inside the Big Tent now because of its minority status. There were a lot of fringe, aimless, revolt-against-the-tyrannical-federal-government types. Some of it was scary.

I guess our founding fathers were considered "fringe" and "right'wing" during their day as well for the audacity to challenge the King..(Obama?)

I hope this movement get's larger as "real" Americans stand up for their rights.

Living in a dream world
"Obama claims that he will cut the deficit in half, to $533 billion, by the end of his first term. Two problems: 1) The Congressional Budget Office says the more likely number is $672 billion, and 2) that is 46 percent more than the deficit in 2008. Worse yet, the CBO says the deficit will then resume its upward trajectory, reaching $1 trillion by 2018 and nearly doubling the national debt over the next decade."

I seriously doubt most Americans really know what it is they want their government to do. If you use $16 trillion as the size of our current GDP, and then figure 3% growth a year for the next 9 years, our GDP in 2018 should be around $21 trillion. If you divide $1 trillion by $21 trillion, the deficit in 2018 will be approx. 4.8% of GDP. This is significantly higher than the 3% figure that many economists say is a reasonable percentage for our nation's deficit v. GDP.

I suspect the reason for the projected rise in our deficit after 2012 will be due to the need to start redeeming the Social Security trust fund bonds since the program is expected to have a negative cash flow as early as next year. What was once a source of revenue to make our general deficit seem smaller than it really was, is now about to become a liability that will increasingly add to our deficit with each passing year.

I wonder how many of the people who attended tea parties on April 15 are prepared to accept huge cuts in the entitlement programs as a way to get our fiscal house in order. Maybe the American people are upset because they realize our free lunch is about to end.

Our nation has been in denial abut fiscal excess for a long time, and now we are being confronted with the fact that the road to recovery is going to require making some very hard choices. Until we finally come to that difficult realization, our economy will continue to struggle.

Re: Joel-De Oppresso Liber Location: NV
Why do you continue to be here? Just to whine? How about some solutions backed by facts? Oh, I forgot, being a liberal all you can do is rant and rave and call people names. GET LOST!!

Elliot
Did it ever occur to you that the people shouting racist comments at conservative rallies aren't conservatives, but plants to discredit the actual protesters?

Will
Are you saying you embrace big government? Did you complain about anti-war rallies where there were Bush=Hitler signs? Mainstream leftist groups produced TV ads with that bilge! Did you find that scary? I saw none of what you are talking about.

Sexual Innuendos in Chapman's Article
Great article, Steve. But do me a favor. Go Google "teabaggers" and get a clue that this is an insulting sexual innuendo that the Left has gladly repeated ad nauseum in order to mock and discredit Tea Party protesters. Your use of the term is innappropriate and only elicits snickers from critics who will gladly assume you are too ignorant to know what it means. Do us all a favor and THINK before you repeat a term you don't understand.

Can the rest be far behind?
Probably.

Many, many Americans today live in fantasy land.

It has to be the result of dumbing down education in this country when adults don’t realize that you cannot get wealth from government, and you cannot produce money from thin air.

Since government produces nothing, its only wealth comes from what it takes from others. Taking more and more from those who create the jobs will only lead to less and less for those of us who work for a living.

And once the producers pack up and leave the country, even those who DON’T work for a living will not be able to get anything.

Thomas
A bit of advice. You should really make your "The idea that people are comparing Obama to Hitler is a liberal lie" posts distinct from your "Obama is a lot like Hitler" posts.

When you do both in the same post it just makes you look like a clown.

Lon
Don't believe that Obama is anything like Hitler nor do I believe that Bush is like Hitler.

However, no doubt that Obama is a Marxist Socialist.

The short form:
It's the SPENDING, stupid!

Live By TARP, Die By TARP!


GOP Republicrat, who voted was for TARP booed mercilessly at tea party...

Emphasis on MERCILESSLY, especially when he said, “I have devoted my life to the conservative cause.” The Palmetto Scoop caught it all, and no wonder: Barrett’s been eating crap from South Carolinians for his TARP vote for months so everyone knew what was coming here, right down to the guy screaming “Go home!” for the full six-minute duration...

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/18/video-gop-rep-who-vot ed-for-tarp-booed-mercilessly-at-tea-party/


Sort of debunks the Lib's argument that the Tea Parties were anti-Obama or against Democrats, ne c'est pas?

We did it anyway
Obama the Candidate told us he would take from the rich and put the coal companies out of business. We voted for him anyway.

The outgoing Democratic Congress had a favorability rating of 9%, the lowest in the history of the United States. We returned them to office anyway.

Sarah the candidate told us she wanted to clean up Washington the way she cleaned up (Republican) Alaska politics. We voted against her anyway.

We were shocked and surprised by the Bush bailouts. We continue to watch more of the same anyway.

We realize the Democrats have stolen elections in Seattle and Minnesota (for starters), and we let them do it anyway.

For decades, we've seen that the government cannot run anything well. Take, for example, the Social Security System. But we let them run GM and several banks anyway.

Someday, they'll take your IRA and dump it into the Social Security System. Will you let them do it anyway?

Pete said
The short form:
It's the SPENDING, stupid!

and all the strings that go with it that makes socialism a danger.

They'rerrrre baaaaaack!
Congress that is.

And speaking of unconstitutional,guess what their first order of business is going to be?

They'll be working on SWEEPING global warming legislation.Are you kiddin' me?!!!

Al Gore is a madman. There are more scientists that pooh pooh global warming than scientists that embrace it. Of course those that DO embrace it get fat grants...,but hey..., people will sacrifice a lot for filthy lucre,even truth.

I just cannot believe the majority of Congressional idiots who purport to represent the American People! With ALL that is wrong..,this is what they will be addressing?! Global freaking Warming!

I know that the TEA parties won't gear up again until July...,but PLEASE send your teabags with PITHY messages to the congress members of your choice.

It's easy. Do not send the actual tea. It is considered a potentially dangerous substance.I traced a teabag.,wrote my messages, copied them, and attached them to the teabag string. I have over 150 ready to go. I'll mail them out between now and July.I did it because our Congress does not have good long term memory. They need constant reminders that representation of the people has been given short shrift on their watch.If a large number of you do the same they will get the message.

I also wanted to say that everyone posting here should go on E Bay or Amazon and purchase a copy of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".It is Barry's bible,Rahm's too. Saul died in the 70's but his son David was a Barry Dunham mentor. Knowledge is POWER!

Excerpt from "RULES FOR RADICALS A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals; The organizer's job is to inseminate an invitation for himself to agitate, introduce new ideas, get people pregnant with HOPE and a desire for CHANGE and to identify YOU as the person most qualified for this purpose." It is chilling!


Fringe is in the eye of the beholder
"The Obama as Hitler signs seemed to be carried by fringe..."

Was every Democrat who said "BusHitler" fringe? Were the Democrats who cheered Bush assasination "jokes" and movies fringe? Were the Democrats who called Bush "chimp" fringe?

I am an independent conservative, and see a lot of similarities between the extremes in either party. There has been irrational fear of every president in my lifetime.

This is the most partisan time I have ever seen. Each party overlooks the faults of their own candidate, and thinks the other party's candidate is the devil incarnate.

Will from CA
Obviously you were watching some biased news program that probably focused on the fringe types. In our small town of mostly middle to upper class whites, we had families, retirees and working people marching along our main highway. Sorry, but there were no right-winged extremists in our group. Most of the people marching had a minimum of a Masters Degree and many were PhDs. Coming from CA myself, I know what entitlement can do. Look at your potential bankruptcy and take it all in. This TEA PARTY was about any big government designed to take away our rights and spend us into oblivion. GET A CLUE!

Dr. G.


Seigfried
And your point is.....? What in the heck are you saying? Each party overlooks the faults of their own candidates? Who are the candidates?

You are not an "independent conservative." You're just noncomittal.

Take a stand my friend. It's important! Get your learn on!

Example
Some Republicans voted for John McCain, who favors cap & trade legislation, yet now they Obama won they say that same cap & trade will end civilization on planet earth.

I am strongly committed to conservatism, which is why I'm not partisan. McCain and Obama both supported liberal stuff like cap & trade, which is why I voted against them and for a third party conservative.

LC
Good post!!!

Siegfrried
I did exactly the same.

Party Lines
Yup...Party lines are getting blurred. In my opinion:

The Republicans have become more like Dems.

The Dems have become Socialists.

I don't vote along Party lines but conservative lines.

Proud Tea Party Attendee
Our tea party in Ft. Myers, Fl was estimated at 3,000 participants. There were retirees, veterans, families with young children. The signs were all homemade with clever, witty sayings. I did not see any Obama=Hitler signs, so I don't where Will/CA is looking. But then Will can't be counted upon to tell the truth. I will be mailing the empty tea bag envelopes (no string, no tea bag) to Reid, Obama, Pelosi, my reps from Fl, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Shumer, Murtha, Dick Durbin, etc. I will be at any future protest of government spending and unconstitutional actions by the federal gov't. By the way, my sign said: Hey, Obama, the Constitution is NOT a flawed document. On the other side was a color picture of Obama bowing to the Saudi King, and it said: Hey, B.O., America bows to NO ONE.

The Cap-N-Tax Econ Seeking Missile

Last Thursday, this Administration implemented its first part of Cap-n-Tax through new EPA regulations.

They are deciding right now on whether to spend TRILLIONS of DOLLARS to POSSIBLY launch a MISSILE to THRUST POLLUTION into the ATMOSPHERE to CURB GLOBULLCRAP WARMING.

The Gorelegionists are convinced that sea levels will rise 6 inches in the near future and that Caribbean destruction will wipe out California. They also, evidently, believe that Christopher Colombus used Hummers to pull his Galleons through the ocean.

Obviously, we will all be better off living in caves, pulling meat off the bone with our teeth and watching Russia aim missiles at us. Not!

The Cap-N-Tax Econ Seeking Missile
The biggest tax gonna have to be on cows for flatulance, which is the biggest polluter by percent.

Speaking of crap....Ozone Al's Cap & Tax!

Tea parties & the political parties ...

The tea parties are in part a recognition that no 'mainstream' political party has an incentive to do anything concrete about the fiscal IED that is in its early stages of detonation.

Folks show up at tea parties because they know we are at serious risk of witnessing deficits on a galactic scale accompanied by runaway inflation and confiscatory taxation. This effectively constricts individual liberty and is an existential threat to constitutionally limited government.

Both the democrat and the republican parties were infected with the progressive virus in the early 20th century, and both have a vested interest in making government bigger and more powerful. The parties exist to contest for power, and both benefit from having the prize be as large as possible.

The financial IED attack promises to localize almost all growth in government. Therefore, expect a withering of private sector financial health and business activity.

The much praised yet ignored middle class is simply a convenient source for government funding. The emergence of a vigilant, skeptical, and attentive middle class will be hugely inconvenient for the political class. This is particularly troublesome for the democrat party. Thus the tea parties and what they may bring forth are not welcome by the powers-that-be.

Someone here got it absolutely right when they referred to "Cap and Tax", because enabling virtually unlimited taxation is the actual goal of the war against carbon.

The middle class includes working stiffs, small business folks, and entrepreneurs trying to find the next Intel, Microsoft, or Genentech. Nobody in the political class finds these people particularly attractive because these people know the government needs them, and not vice versa.

It is conceivable that V.I. Lenin summarized the strategy with the following pithy comment: "The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

The discerning will know
what has caused our economy to crumble soon. But the Evil-Idiots will blame it on Capitalism and the Zombies will accept the responsibility to repeat this message to the masses and those living off of the rest of us will believe what the Zombies tell them. The Discerning will be disparaged as weirdo-extremists and made fun of by the Zombies while the Discerning try to pay for and clean up the mess. Why are the Discerning putting up with it? Do the Discerning pity the fools? Or perhaps the Discerning are dwindling in numbers and the foolish Utopians will finally realize their dream. Which will be a nightmare.

Yes Tea Parties are about a return
to the high standards of the Constitution which in turn produces Limited Government and Liberty. A limited Government is not a socialist government it allows a free market controlled only by laws that do not allow unethical behavior.

Time to take back our children. Demand your local schools teach the Constitution and the Founding Fathers writings all 12 years in our schools.

We can no longer allow the Progressive atheists to propagandize our children with their lies.

Read the "5000 Year Leap" and The Bible to your children and grandchildren.

Pure Partisan Rationalizations

You guys keep referring to the Bush-as-Hitler charges and namecalling as automatically equivalent to the Obama-as-Hitler charges. Yet another example of how the facts don't really matter to you.

Face it - the TEA parties and the supposed nonpartisan anti-big-government nature of them were a big joke to everyone outside the 28% or so that think Bush did a good job and that the Iraq war was a good idea. Had you had these when Bush was spending us into the tank like a drunken pirate, you'd have had some credibility, but then the reason you didn't is because you aren't against spending per se, but spending for things you don't like. So having your little parties now looks like just what it is: a bunch of people angry that they lost the election and can't have their way any more.

Science Avenger
Science Avenger had a couple of sound points to make, that Bush, elected as a conservative, which, of course, he wasn't, nor isn't, spent like a drunken sailor. In other words, the out-of-control spending began when we had a Republican in the White House & both houses of Congress were controled by the Republicans.

Also, Science Avenger is correct that political discxourse has descended too much into name calling rather than serious debate about issues & candidates.
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