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Sunday, March 15, 2009
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Smile, You're on Cop-Car Camera
by Steve Chapman
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One night last summer Raymond Bell was pulled over by a Chicago cop and arrested for driving under the influence. Officer Joe D. Parker, a 23-year veteran, reported that upon getting out of his car, Bell was stinking of alcohol, lurching and unable to walk a straight line or stand on one foot.

An officer with his stellar record would normally prevail against a DUI suspect. But in this case, Bell had something on his side: a video camera mounted on the dashboard of Parker's squad car that told a radically different story.

Far from revealing a staggering drunk, reported the Chicago Sun-Times, the video "showed Bell appearing to be perfectly balanced," passing the sobriety tests that Parker administered -- and being refused when he asked to take a Breathalyzer. Prosecutors watched the video and promptly dismissed the case. They are now considering charges against Parker.

That episode raises the question: Nine years into the 21st century, why isn't every squad car in America equipped with a dashboard video camera? Why do we persist in relying on the slippery, self-interested, incomplete and unverified accounts of opposing participants when we have the means to see the truth with our own eyes?

In this instance, the innocent man was lucky to be stopped by a cop driving a video-armed vehicle. The odds are against it, since only 11 percent of the CPD's cars have cameras for recording traffic stops. Though the department is planning to use federal stimulus money to double that number and the mayor has said he wants cameras installed in the remaining vehicles "as quickly as possible," no one is radiating a sense of haste.

Why not? The department says the main obstacle is money. Equipping another 300 cars, as the city plans, will require $2.1 million. So making them standard on the rest would cost about $13 million.

But that shouldn't be an insurmountable obstacle. The Illinois State Police, with a fleet of nearly 1,100 vehicles, have managed to install cameras in more than 900.

Spending $13 million looks extravagant only until you compare it to the cost of losing lawsuits over police misconduct. From 2005 through the middle of 2008, says the Chicago Reader, the city paid out $155 million in police cases. Dashboard cameras don't have to prevent many million-dollar judgments to be a bargain.

The cops -- at least the good ones, who are presumably the majority -- have as much reason to want these recordings as the accused. The best defense against a phony charge of police brutality is a video showing exactly what the officer said and did. A suspect who is visibly inebriated or violent will have a hard time refuting the camera's testimony in court.

Yet Chicago has dragged its feet, and it's not alone. After the 1991 Rodney King beating, a commission recommended that the Los Angeles Police Department mount cameras in its squad cars. It installed some but soon got rid of them.

A federal monitor proposed the idea again in 2005, but the police chief, The Los Angeles Times reported, "said he saw it as a long-term project." Last year -- 17 years later -- the LAPD finally decided to equip some vehicles.

Contrast that with Chicago Mayor Richard Daley's enthusiasm for other types of video. Chicago now has some 2,250 surveillance cameras to detect criminal conduct in public places. By 2016, Daley promised last month, Chicago will have one on every corner. The city has also installed red-light cameras at some 132 intersections, with another 330 planned.

So what exactly is different about those cameras? Well, they are trained on the citizenry, not on the police. What's sauce for the goose seems to be regarded as a dubious liquid substance when proposed for the gander. The city is less eager to capture video evidence if it may expose wrongdoing by its own law enforcement agents.

But the rest of us might want to keep unsleeping electronic eyes on the people with guns and badges. A city with a good police department can gain a lot from squad-car video cameras. A city with a bad one can gain even more.

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wrong business
At $7,000 a car, I'm inthe wrong business.

Curmudgeon,
I do understand what the article and the comments are about. Believe me, I've had some run-ins with the kind of cops everyone is complaining about. What Sid was saying, if I read his post correctly, is that there is no crime until there is a victim. Sure, there ARE victimless crimes, and I would be the first to use jury nullification if I were serving on those juries.
But to say that speed and traffic laws are victimless crimes is just saying that the victim has not yet been injured, so no crime. Not true.

notmyprez
you are talking about genuine speeding. the rest of us are talking about abuse of power by thugs with badges. one does not justify the other. if the authorities were genuinely concerned about driving 100 in a residential area, they would do something to prevent it. they are not. what they are interested in is revenue. hence the roadblocks, harassment, phony charges, brutality, and lying in court. the authorities know where the high crime areas are, and avoid them. the money is where innocent motorists are trying to stay out of trouble, and are preyed on by badged thugs with their own court system. the same court system that somehow could not convict a multiple murderer with a ton of evidence will convict you or me on the unsupported word of one police officer in the absence of any evidence that an offense was comitted at all. that is simply wrong. i would prefer to not have police than to have the thuggery we are enduring now. at least you can shoot back at the unbadged criminals. the very reason for a roadblock is to have a chance to manufacture offenses where people are so law abiding that there is no justification to stop them at all. that is wrong.

Douglas
You're right. It was Mike Royko. My mistake.

As far as bad cops go: A long-time friend of mine and a veteran of many years in a large police department here in Michigan told me that most of the larger departments ALWAYS had a small percentage of very bad cops. He said that these were the renegades, brawlers, and liars who would do anything to get revenge for slights, real or imagined. Most of these simply messed or hassled "civilians" (i.e., non-police) they didn't like. The unions protected them so they were basically fireproof.

As far as the poster, "Tammy", who said that juries always sided with cops, she should see who black jurors in Detroit side with. It's almost always a hug-a-thug-a-thon.

Hey, uh, Sid.
In many cases that's true about statutory laws. But do you really believe that people should be allowed to drive at whatever speed they think is ok? Many people would drive 100MPH in a residential district if they knew there were no law against it. These people are called stupid. And no, they're not good enough drivers to do it without incident. Do you want to be the victim that you require before the law is enforced? Maybe a loved one of yours should be the victim that triggers enforcement of the law? I think not. We DO need to drive with some semblance of sanity, and those of us who refuse must be coerced in some way.

You are absolutely right
Maybe cop car cameras would be a good way to
use some stimulus package money.

For years I have been so disgusted that jurors
seem to automatically side with the cops, no
matter what. Cops are like everyone else. Some
are good and some are bad. But the chances of
their turning bad is much greater if no one
questions their veracity.

Quirks in Virginia
Va State police stopped using videocameras in one district because they were losing probable cause hearings. When you are asked to pass a roadside sobriety test the officer later testifys that you failed. When Judges saw the vido of the tests they disagreed so often that the police discontinued using the camera.

State records laws also require the police to keep these videos for an extended period of time. Since they are on for long hours every day, the storage is expensive but it is funny how government has the money to make government employee's jobs easier but they balk when the expenditure makes the employee's jobs harder.

I support having cameras
where ever police do their jobs.

More often than not they help the police prove a case, or defend against charges of misconduct.

If money is an issue I would respond; "Why? Maybe the money the department has is not being spent wisely."

Law enforcement love the phrase "Only those with something to hide oppose ______". The blank in this case can be anything from lie detectors, or blood alcohol testing suspected drunk drivers, to searching vehicles for drugs or other contraband.

Most police officers are good, I hope, and try to to the best job they can, but they are human and are subject to human faults and failures.

Here are some examples where cameras help expose police misconduct or abuse of authority.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/15/1522.asp

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/03/policemen-beating-girl .html

Who should a judge believe
I've always thought a judge would believe a cops word over mine, absent some other evidence.
This story and countless others offer at least anecdotal evidence that judges have probably convicted tons of innocent people over the years by doing that.
Even a good cop can have a bad day or slip up and perform some bad police work. Judges should be demanding some evidence other than a cops word.


irony
beloved leader... may he bless us all with his munificence... just told us that the public sector is honest and honorable. what a disgrace to imply that such is not the case. a self serving or dishonorable public servant? impossible!

the video camera images were probably faked

you can see it coming when the witnesses are competing video recorded images

One more thing -
maybe citizens should start outfitting their own vehicles with a "cop cam"

The Edman
"Do you think that negativity is not perceptible?"

Don't you think that perhaps some people have every reason to not trust? You should have a system for keeping each other honest.

Statutory Laws
Drunk driving laws, like All statutory laws are ripe for abuse because there is no requirement for an injured party or damaged property, only the states desire to create whatever "laws" it desires to control you and take your money. Marxism never had a better friend than statutory law and a Police State is the inevitable result. We need to get back to true common law and back to the premise that there is no crime without an injured or damaged party, proven in court. Dashcams shouldn't be needed because the police shouldn't be stopping people for these "laws" in the first place.

Honesty is not a virtue with every......
police officer. Off and on I conduct investigations for defendants believed to be factually innocent by their attorneys. In many of these cases video would have caught the police dirty. A number of officers use a term called testilying. They firmly believe that telling a lie to put a bad guy away is OK. It is not. One good cop I met performs for his dash cam. He says that it shores up his case and has solved many problems before they became problems.

Mod Mark
He didn't know those magic words. He may have been told at one time, but forgotten. On TV, he likes anime and cartoons, and hates cop shows, so he never saw "I Want A Lawyer" being used. (Until he lived with me for a year -- he was barred from staying under his own roof by court order.)

Once the police have a confession, they have all the evidence they need. If they "lose" the audio or video recordings, no one cares.

Nowadays, he has the knowledge to keep this sort of damage from happening again -- I hope.

Priorities in gov't
Chapman writes:

"Spending $13 million looks extravagant only until you compare it to the cost of losing lawsuits over police misconduct."

Is Chapman insane? $13 million is a drop in the bucket compared to Chicago's overall budget. It's a matter of priorities and politics. Daley doesn't want any more cameras than he absolutely has to have in order to convince the public he's trying. In reality the city of Chicago would rather have every case be the word of their cop against the word of a 'perp' (who is not really a 'perp' if the cop is lying).

Question: How many other guys did Joe Parker 'nail' with DUI's by lying in court before he got caught with his pants down?

DUI penalties are so draconian nowadays that most defendants will cut a deal - any deal - even with a dishonest cop - to prevent their life from being turned upside down. To give some perspective, terrorists are given more presumption of innocence than a driver ticketed for DUI.

On top of all that, Chicago cops are dishonest; always have been. Daley's recalcitrance on the video cameras is a tacit admission of this.

Attn-pro from dover
I believe you read "Boss" by the late great Mike Royko. He was the journalist who gave Chicago its unofficial slogan"Ubi Est Mea" ,or "Where's Mine?"

Cops are people too...

Which means... A certain percentage will suffer from psychopathic, narcissistic, psychotic, obsessive, paranoid, and other assorted deranged syndromes.

Best bet... Instead of blindly hiring 20 year olds, hire 40 year olds who can prove they have a stable family (with children), and a respectful work history.

Lunatics are often drawn to positions of authority. Waiting 10 or 20 years will weed out most of the goofballs - they'll already be in jail.

no camers
were on the cop car. I sat straight across the intersection when three cars ran a red light right in front of the cop car. Too bad it did not have a camera maybe the officer would have got caught not doing her job. I watched her look at the ceiling of her car so she did not see the red light runners.

Sheriffs
Here in Eastern NC sheriffs depts are good ole boy and krupt.

I want a lawyer
"The son of a friend of mine was accused of rape, and after six hours of interrogation (no lawyer, no parents, no food) he confessed. "

Remember those magic words, "I want a lawyer". Always should be the first word out of your month. If anything, nothing you say can be used in a court of law.

Unless they arrest you, don't even go to the police station.


Jim
A few days ago I was out driving to get some firewood and me and another truck got too close to the center line and hit mirrors. Since his truck was a company truck, his boss wanted a police report so the sheriff department was called. He was very nice. Neither of us were at fault--just two trucks with big mirrors. At the end he said he was going to have to cite us for not being out on the lake fishing on such a fine day.

A few years ago, a hurricane came through and we had no power and the sheriffs office sent a car through our neighborhood just to see that everything was fine. But with these stories, you have the cop that stopped the car with the pregnant woman for speeding and then felt up her belly to make sure she was really pregnant or when in another county I called the police department to run a car through our neighborhood from time to time as they were some things they should see and told they didn't have time as they just ran from call to call. Again I stand by my opinion at sheriff departments being superior to police in regards to how they treat the public.

Not for me either

Akagi Location: GA
Reply # 48
Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 5:20 PM EST
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I would hate to live somewhere that was policed by someone like me!!

The most horrible day I ever spent in two trips in the Army, was the day I was assigned as a Prison Guard. Just terrible, and that proved, if I needed proof, that was not a job for me.

I once had a next door neighbor, a wonderful guy, he just loved everything about being a police officer, and I wish we had a million just like him.


curmudgeon
In Atlanta, it was recently that something like 25% of the class at the academy had either gang ties or have been convicted of a serious crime. Yes. These are exactly the types we want "protecting" us. Also in Atlanta, a few years ago one of their narco units put pressure on one of their informants and he told them of a house that was a drug house. The broke in one a no-knock warrant and as they burst in a scared to death 90 year old woman opened fire thinking it was a home invasion. They returned fire killing her. When they found out the informant lied they planted drugs in the house.

The reason for this was the department required quotas--so many contacts with criminals, arrests, etc each month. They were low on the quota it seemed and this was the result. They are now all in prison--diu nei lo mo on them all. Hope they are all someone's boyfriend by now.


Ticket in Calif, Poland, and Austria

The last “speeding” ticket I received in the USA was about 30 years ago. We lived in the Desert near Palm Springs, but I had been called to serve on a jury, in Federal court in Los Angeles.

The trial lasted a couple of days, and finally I was going home, right at rush hour. Just as a coincidence, the news the next day said there had been “gridlock” traffic, the worst seen in LA for years.

As I slowly drove the Freeway about 20 miles east of downtown, I was suddenly pulled over by a policeman. He very angrily approached and hollered at me for forcing him off the road. His story was that I had just speeded up the on ramp, and had forced him off the road. I informed him that I had been on the freeway for an hour and a half, and had not been on the on ramp he was talking about.

It became obvious that if I argued with him, I would be in more trouble, so I took the ticket, then later paid it by mail. It would cost more in gasoline to come into the city to fight the case, and how would I prove my case anyway. So that is on my record, I suppose.
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While driving in Poland we (I!) were given, and paid cash (maybe $5) right then and there, a traffic ticket for driving through a red-light.

It should come as no surprise to hear the driver received more grief from the passenger than he did from the Polish police. (Olpe, Poland)
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We entered Austria and drove to and through Valich where there are Warmbaden (thermal pools). We were on a nice four lane road, and for no apparent reason found all lanes of the road blocked, and we were soon following a detour.

We noticed the police talking to people in cars up ahead, and when we got there, discovered the Austrians had a speed trap and everyone was getting a speeding ticket, and paying for it right there, in cash.

The original road was filled with traffic, no one was speeding and no police were at that road, but everyone was receiving a speeding ticket.

The Edman
I'm not negative to cops. They have guns and the color of law behind them. Should people have the right to tell a cop diu nei lo mo on you and your whole family? Sure. But not my first course of action. Perhaps if police weren't used as highwaymen for the communities they "serve," people would be less negative toward them. I know...I know...just following orders. I think that was the defense at Nuremberg too.

Jim
"Did you ever notice that those who say the police are too violent, never join the police force and become a gentle policeman."

Never wanted to be a trash man either or clean out pig stalls. Lousy pay, lousy work. I think the starting pay for a GA State Patrol is $20,000. That's almost welfare wages. Sorry, I'll pass.

Leslie
"I'll give a cop respect but never trust."

I give neither. Not to say I will just start cursing them at a moments notice. I will say there is a big difference usually from a sheriff's department and a police department. You hire the sheriff and if his deputies go out and start shaking down the populace believe me, he'll soon be unemployed after the next election. I have never found a sheriff's department to be abusive as you'll find in police departments. Police chiefs aren't elected and they and their officers can more easily run amok than in a sheriff's department. Luckily where I live, we don't have police, we have sheriff deputies.

Allen
"Don't trust cops..."

Not a good idea to. There was a small town in the Midwest and a stop sign. Cops would ticket people saying they didn't wait long enough at the sign and would give tickets to the motorists. When they went to court, the cops would lie and the judge would say the officer was believable and uphold the ticket. It was a scam between the judge and the cops to raise money for the town. Eventually the stop sign was turned into a yield sign. This crap goes on all the time.

In Georgia, Cobb County cops (some of the worse speed trappers) set up over a overpass over I75 a few hundred feet from the Fulton County/Atlanta City Limits line. By the time the cop makes the stop the offender is actually inside Atlanta. Spare me the safety issue--if it was a safety issue it would be an issue for APD (no saints themselves) not CCPD--this is all about revenue or as I like to put it highway robbery.


Back in the 70's...
...when I was an undergrad, I read the book "Boss" by the late Sydney Harris as part of political science paper. To the liberal crawlers reading here, Harris was a bleeding heart liberal.

Detroit was diseased enough at that time, but Mayor Daly Sr. made the new black mayor of DIEtroit, "King" Coleman Young, look weak in regard to Democratic muscle and corruption.

One did not get anything done in their neighborhood, nor was a new hire approved until the Daly-installed alderman got his financial due to include promises of favors in the future.

The most important thing to understand in this article is that this is the kind of government the people in Chicago want, the one they vote for time and again. That being said, there's nothing to see here, folks, so move along.

Kenneth
"I've seen the one in my State where a highway Patrolman is beating the suspect with his billy club. As there was only picture and no sound, I have wondered if the suspect started it with sassing or cursing the patrolman..."

Telling a cop diu nei lo mo (basically go f your mother)is no reason for a cop to beat the hell out of someone. The SC video it seems was the cop p'ed off because the woman wouldn't stop and she didn't stop because the cop car just had lights in the grill and the markings almost impossible to see--SC and other states uses these in order to increase their chances of stealing money from motorists under the color of the law and in my view many cops are no better than highwaymen only they use a badge and a piece of paper to steal and not simply a gun and the phrase "your money or your life."

The woman didn't know the car chasing her was a cop--any bozo can but blue lights in the grill. And a number of women have been raped by men using this ruse (a good number have been raped by actual cops too but a different subject). If I was her I wouldn't have stopped on some deserted road for a dubious cop car either. If the cops don't like it? Diu nei lo mo on them and their entire generations.

The Edman...
One more thing...........We the People are armed and will assist you and your "special brotherhood" in keeping the peace, as long as you afford us the respect we deserve.

You strike me as the type who would wish to see the citizens completely disarmed, you know, cause we dont have the same special status as the "brotherhood".
Clean your own house, if you have the guts to take a stand against one of your own!!
Molon Labe!!

if you feel safe
when you are on the highway just because you are not doing anything wrong, then you just do not understand the situation. everyone is eligible for abuse from those hired to "protect and serve" and i assure you that when your case comes to court, the judge will routinely believe the police and dismiss anything you say. think about it. they dont get paid to dispense justice. they are paid to collect money, and collect they will.

The Edman.............
Yeah you can tell you are one of "the only ones".

Where to start;
You speak of "negative" attitudes, did you ever think the reason for that is the "better then thou attitude" you all have for us "common folk"?
"Our ultimate goal is to go home to our families"; your "ultimate goal is SUPPOSED to be to keep the peace. You knew the risk when you signed on to be peace officers.
"The force is woefully undermanned and underarmed." This is a joke, right? You, the polce, who have access to flash bang grenades, armored vehicles, MP-5 and M-4 Full auto weapons, helicopters and the list goes on an on are "underarmed? Maybe, just maybe, if you would honor citizens rights and show the citizens who are not a part of your special "brotherhood" the respect they deserve, you wouldnt feel so inadequately "undermaned and underarmed".

No one claims your job is easy, it is just claimed that their are way too may of you who believe you badge and gun afford you some kind of special status above us mere citizens.

As for your statement "We see things that none of you may never, EVER see. And we see it all the time.", I am sure the people who live in the inner cities "SEE" it all the time. The difference is that they do not have the accessability to the weaponry. You know "we are underarmed".
Instead of "your" woe is me attitude", maybe it would help if you treated us as your equals.

Molon Labe!!

rodney king 3
at that point, just when i was sure i would be batttered by the out of control policeman, a deputy walked up and addressed me by name. i replied, addressing the deputy by name. suddenly, the episode was over. i was allowed to leave, unharmed, but with a very new attitude towards some "law enforcement" personnel. all of this was initiated by my son's not being able to separate his license from his wallet fast enough. noone was intoxicated, and the only misbehavior was done by the highly paid policeman. yes, we do need cameras turned on every one of them, at all times. there are entirely too many thugs who should not be allowed to carry a gun or a badge, and entirely too many of them are carrying guns and badges.

almost rodney kinged 2
the policeman tells my son, "your father has had too much to drink, then gives him the "sobriety test", which he had selected him for because he had difficulty separating his drivers license from his plastic folder in his wallet, then stalks over to my vehicle, and demands rudely, "get out of the vehicle." this after he had already said i could go, and that i could "watch" him give my son a sobriety test. i say, "you have no cause to be bothering me." the response was worthy of the gestapo, threatening, imperious, arrogant, and i was starting to understand why so many people think police are arrogant thugs. i got out of the vehicle, and again encountered his wrath because when i stood as ordered with arme straight, i inadvertently had elbows bent approximately 5 degrees. so the thug shines a light in my eyes, and demands that i watch his finger. more anger when i could not comply because i could not see the finger because of the light shining in my eyes. at this point, i was sure he was going to hit me with the flashlight. i say, "the only thing i can see is the light shining in my eyes"

how i almost got rodney kinged
traveling 10 miles to return from visiting relatives, following my sons, 24 and 15, accompanied by a 16 year old son, encountered a roadblock. my son was directed to a parking lot. same policeman ask for my license, look at it, ask "have you been drinking?, then say, ok, you can go. i ask where is the previous vehicle going? the flare up of anger was instant, and obvious. by inquiring where my son was going, i had stirred up the wrath of the almighty policeman. he ask if i know other driver. i say, just as calmly and nicely as i did before, that he is my son. policeman says, he has had too much to drink. i am going to give sobriety test. you may pull in there and watch, if you wish. after experiencing this policeman's ill temper, i thought that might be a good idea.

Read My Upcoming Book and Find Out Why!
Thank you for writing the story of the cop who was caught on video because the only witness a defendant has when abused or accused is the video; but some cases end up that the video wasn't on or that the video was lost and so forth....Breathalyzer tests? Good grief, lawyers will tell you that many in the past have been manipulated - A good video is the proof in the pudding - but what happens when it disappears? Coming soon....the answers to your questions.

Muscle Bound
I don't know about the rest of you but the "look" and projected attitude of a large percentage of the modern day young "Peace Officer" just does not produce "warm and fuzzys". You know, "this person is here to help me"

Most of them appear to be frankly "Muscle Bound". Upper body like a "wedge", biceps straining the sleeves, thighs straining the slacks. And, a neck several sizes to large for the head.

These attributes portray a level of narcissism that just does not seem to gel with the idea of good "Public Service". Know what I mean?

PC is Thought Control
LEE

I said 60 years ago

Randy Location: MN
Reply # 31
Date: Mar 15, 2009 - 1:21 PM EST

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And here is more about Chi-town in those days.
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Now you don't have to read much history to find corrupt politicians, of any and all stripes. Recently as I watched the Mayor of Chicago on TV, I remembered that I paid for some of his pabulum.

Sixty years ago, when his father was the Cook County Clerk, I had to visit his office to pick up a copy of some official document. The sign said — fill out the form, it will cost $3.

I filled out the form, placed $3 with it and pushed it across the counter. The man on the other side angrily pushed it back at me. I read it again to make sure it was correct, and pushed it again. This time I was afraid he was going to jump the counter and attack me, but I noticed the next person at the counter pushed 5 singles across the counter, and that was that.

I took the hint and watched him open the cash register drawer and put in the three dollars, then open a large wooden drawer and put the two singles in with what looked like hundreds of other bills of various sizes. And the current Mayor’s pabulum was paid for that day.

I could tell of the $5,000 payment that eliminated the need for a fire escape in a building being remodeled, but I’ll let you guess what happened.

Don’t think voting machine problems are anything new. Sixty-five years ago I wandered into a meeting near Chicago where they were discussing which cog wheel they were going to install in the manual voting machines, so that enough, but not too many votes, were transferred from “the other” candidate, to theirs.


More cameras?...bring 'em on
I am sure Richie Daley could pay for all coppers to have a new camera in their car by selling the videotapes to one of those "World's stupidest criminals" shows on cable TV.Believe me, there is no shortage of dumb-#$#%#$ criminals here,starting with City Hall, the governor's house, and the rest of the democratic party machine.

Video Cameras on Cop Cars
It would at least slow the Big Brother State we are rapidly becoming due to citizenry who don't undertand what freedom is or don't care. Dangerous times!

All the negative comments.
The majority of these comments are negative. Do you think that negativity is not perceptible? Those of you that are negative, try remembering one thing. We don't know you. We know of your record(if you have one). If you act defensive, our defensive attitude will go up twice as much. We don't know you. Our ultimate goal is to go home to our families. If you give us your negative attitude, your sarcastic jibes, we don't ask for that. Then you get upset when we get angry.
All cops aren't good. But more people are bad than bad cops.
There should be cameras in all squads. In Chicago, Mayor Daley has TIF funds that he keeps private. Taxpayer money that he keeps in a fund. The money is there. He just does not want to spend it. The force is woefully undermanned and underarmed. The politicians use the cops as media chips.
Don't think our job is easy. It isn't. We see things that none of you may never, EVER see. And we see it all the time.

behaving doesn't work
To Jim in California, a $20 clipped to your license could be taken as bribery, and most cops would jump on that today...not to take it, but to get a good pinch. $20 means nothing compared to what cops make. I live in a small town with very little real action, so you would think our police budget would be small. Yet they hire twice the personnel that is needed, they sit in the car and read or in the office playing video games, and each making much more than the average salary in the community. Unlike the rest of us, they are immune to hard times. So lack of crime won't make them go away. It doesn't run on a market system like the private sector...it's other people's money.

5th Amendment Rights
Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

"...nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...."

Could a video recording of a traffic stop violate the rights of either the motorist or the officer?

Do we really need more court cases? More lawyers?


a $20 paper clipped

Did you ever notice that those who say the police are too violent, never join the police force and become a gentle policeman.

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I lived in Chicago 60 years ago, and I always kept a $20 paper clipped to my drivers license, so it could be slipped off, then the “bare” license returned.

I always had the twenty clipped, but never lost it to a policeman.


An LA guy in Frisco

For 25 years I traveled on business most every week, and to Frisco a couple of hundred times. One time as I crossed the Bridge to Oakland, I was stopped by a policeman. He very politely informed me that the tail light on my rental car was out, and needed fixed.

As he wrote the ticket he asked for my license and when he saw the address was in the LA area, he started to be mean and nasty, and was going to accuse me of all kinds of things.

I don’t remember just what I did to calm him down, but he was furious to think that someone from the hated So Cal had the nerve to drive on the Frisco bridge.

Sweetie was “clean.”
Back in the 1960s, some company had introduced the very first teletype for a police car, and wanted to demonstrate its ability.

I sat in the police car with the salesman, my friend Tom Redden who was the Police Chief of Los Angeles, and the Chief of one other city. The salesman asked for a name to use in his demonstration, so I gave Sweetie's name.

Back came the report from the FBI computer in Washington, DC, that as expected, Sweetie was “clean.”
(St. Francis Hotel, San Francisco, CA 1960s)

JUST BEHAVE

Of course this following Letter to an Editor, absolutely does not apply to each and every case, but it was published around the Rodney King days.

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Just Behave, and You Can Get Rid of Police

I am dismayed that many people so often accuse our police force of racism. I'm not convinced the police deserve all these complaints, but just in case they are true, I can tell the “oppressed peoples” how they can get more than even.

You might be happy just to have the offending policeman reprimanded, or even have him miss work with no pay for a few days, but if you really want to get even, let's get rid of most of the police. That can be done very easily. JUST BEHAVE!

The last time I got a traffic ticket I was not surrounded by a dozen police vehicles with twenty officers, there was no need for violence on anyone's part, and a video camera-man could not have sold his pictures for a dollar.


Video shortage v. 911 Mania
God forbid, but let’s say you are away and someone breaks into your home and your entire family is murdered, one by one, while the last one of them is frantically talking to a 911 operator, and, of course, the whole long thing is preserved on tape. The crime is big enough that the tape is played endlessly by the news media, so you, and a zillion other people, get to hear your family, over and over again, being murdered. I suppose someone could even set it to music and we would just accept its broadcast like sheep. But when did it become perfectly acceptable and routine for all our personal disasters, if we call 911 for help, to become common dinner-time television entertainment? Yes, it makes sense not to lock these recordings away, to monitor official misconduct and the like. But let interested members of the public, lawyers, the press and others go into some facility, don headphones, and listen away. God good, we call for help from a service that is paid by our tax dollars, and then it’s “Gotcha!” Your dead 7-year-old is now a star on the evening news! These things should not be routinely broadcast by the news media unless, case-by-case, it serves some important public purpose, which could be spelled out in privacy regulations.
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Karl.....
No "plea bargain" is good when one is innocent. The police and the persecuters "know" they have the "upper hand", that is the problem. People like Alex who mistakenly believe the cops can do no wrong are part of the problem.

Molon Labe!!

What about chain of custody?
One question: Who has control over those videos?

The son of a friend of mine was accused of rape, and after six hours of interrogation (no lawyer, no parents, no food) he confessed. The interview was recorded, but when the police uploaded it to their computer system, it disappeared.

I could not get the lawyer interested in pursuing that, because the cop's word and the signed statement were considered sufficient evidence in court. The audio record, I guess, was some new-fangled add-on.

So we took a plea bargain. It was, I admit, a very good bargain. No jail time, a year of probation, and the arrest disappears from the kid's record. (I.e., they knew their case was made of tissue-paper.)

But if the recording can be made to disappear with no consequence, I don't see why we should bother to install the equipment in the first place.

Alex.............
Cameras in the hands of the citizens will be of some use when some power hungry idiot with a badge and a firearm shoots down or tazers some innocent citizen or his pets for not complying fast enough with his "orders".

Molon Labe!!

I am not opposed to "cops"....
I am opposed to what they have become or allowed their "brothers in blue" to get away with. We need the good ones to "weed out" the the cowards who hide behind their badges if they ever expect to regain the confidence and respect of the citizens. I live in a small town and know there are good cops left, however I believe they are in the minority. The JBT's hide behind their badges of "authority" and their firearms and demand you comply with their "orders". They work for us, not the other way around. Treat us with respect and you, the Peace officers, will recieve the same in return, treat us as lower or second class citizens and you will never regain or gain our trust or respect.

Molon Labe!!

Some people need to wake up!!
Are there any honest cops left? I remember the days when the “peace officers” took pride in their work, when the citizens respected them because they respected the citizens. They are no longer ‘peace officers”, they are now L(aw) E(nforcement) O(fficers) and with the very rare exception of some small town police officers, they are Jack Booted Thugs dedicated to the violation of our rights. The above poster “Alex” speaks of when a “perp guns down an honest policeman just doing his job by protecting the public”, what about when the JBT’s shoot an innocent while executing one of their “no knock warrants” at the wrong address, how about the growing use of the “non lethal” Tazer because someone does not comply with and order immediately, what about the shooting of family pets because some poor “officer feels threatened by a leashed dog? When the “good” peace officers start testifying against these creatures start protecting the citizens as opposed to themselves then they will deserve the respect of the rest of us.

Molon Labe!!

I Don't Know About Chapman
He seems to think that the Bell case is typical, and he digs up Rodney King again. King broke the law and lunged at a cop. He rceived NO head injuries and was laughing his way into the the emergency room.

squad car cameras
A camera in a squad car would be of use when some perp guns down an honest policeman just doing his job by protecting the public. Police states of America, BS!

The poohlice think they are our betters
They have an "us against them" attitude. They have been militarizied and are the standing army the Founding Fathers warned us about. More and more they violate citizens rights. I have come to believe that there are not many good cops left. If there are, why do they not turn in their fellow members in blue when they violate the peoples rights? Want to read about the constant violations and abuse they propagate on us citizens, read the "only ones" stories that are postede daily on this site....
http://waronguns.blogspot.com/

To those who will insist they are the good guys, prove it by turning in bad guys as opposed to protecting them cause they are your "brothers in blue".

Molon Labe!!

Cameras are a move towards truth
There are two sides, they are expensive, and as noted, incidents off camera can be distorted by that very fact. But overall, they protect good cops and well-behaved suspects. They discourage violence--who wants to shoot a cop on camera--and they suppress the few officers who abuse their badge.
We all get stopped. Cops read your attitude instantly. My wife is continually amazed at how often i am only warned for obvious speeding. My attitude is the cop is my friend doing a nasty necessary job. MeanGene is a sharp contrast to those who have been stopped many times and never been hasseled. Maybe it is just bad luck. His statement he will use force to avoid arrest does not inspire my sympathy. It is always a mistake to take a stop personally. It will instantly become personal to the officer.

Big Brother Police

F^%ck the police cameras!!!
The only cameras should be the ones "We the People" use to record the actions of the police.

Welcome to the police states of America!!

I think it depends on the city
I grew up in LA, horrible police dept. Moved to a much smaller city as an adult still in CA. and police are totally different. I was pulled over thrown up against the car handcuffed etc. several times in LA and always let go because I had done nothing wrong other than have long hair and a beard. (70's) Once as a minor I was minding my own business walking home from school and a squad car pulled up and they arrested me for being under the influence yet I was not and did not have any drugs on me. That went to court and was thrown out. What a waste of time and it hurt my relationship with my parents for a while. I think cameras are a good thing.

Cameras should be MANDATORY . . .
not only in police cars, but in interrogation rooms as well. ALL interrogations should be recorded. This keeps both the cops and the suspect from falsely alleging misconduct. Of course, this would expose the sleazy conduct that the cops (sometimes) use to entrap suspects. This would also protect the honest cops from retaliation from their own by crossing the "thin blue line".

meangene
I feel your pain. I was arrested once in my life for DUI and the whole thing was a scam for money. When I went before the judge the report he read was so far off from what had happened I swear I thought they had the wrong case. I had lived in that town for 40 years and the judge believed the cop over me. I'll give a cop respect but never trust.

Don't trust cops
I have to respectably disagree with Kenneth and agree with Meangene. I have been a Christian for over 20 yrs and have been falsely arrested no less than 4 times. The last time was last yr and I told the cop that I could not wait for the video to be shown. He responded gleefully there was no camera and the Judge would believe whatever version of the the truth he presented. It never went to trial because the facts did come out before trial. Result, he is still a cop and the arrest still shows up on background checks. When I went to his supervisor to complain all I got was he is a good cop you are nobody. Please I want cameras.

questionable photos
The Camera doesn't always tell the whole story. Sure, I've seen the one in my State where a highway Patrolman is beating the suspect with his billy club. As there was only picture and no sound, I have wondered if the suspect started it with sassing or cursing the patrolman or in the instance of one, urinating on the officer as he opended the driver door or was he reaching for a weapon to shoot the officer? It does happen you know!
I am 72 years old and was a professional truck driver for 10 years. I was stopped three times in 10 years for speeding, but never at anytime did I challenge the officer and neither was he impolite. I knew i was guilty and thus no confrontation. You have to do something the majority of the time to attract a policeman else they have more to do than just stop people for the sake of it.

Chicago Cops
I quit going to Chicago only live 45 miles away Daley and his democratic lie machine and crooked cops, maybe cameras will change that but it wont change the rest of the coruption

casting the light
As a former officer, I urged my small town to obtain these cameras, to no avail, always being countered with the budget excuse. I was a relentless DWI machine. The real reason they balked at cameras? I was a threat to their local bar business, and they wanted me gone. They also didn't want their upstanding locals being video taped showing who they really are, and at the same time, yours truly shown doing his job. For shame.

Money problem?
The article states that it would cost $13 million to equip the entire force with video cameras, and the department is balking at the cost. How much are they receiving from the Feds? The numbers being thrown around in Washington make $13 million sound like chump change. I would venture a guess that there is more than adequate money available.
Meangene sounds bitter [justifiably so if his situation is as stated]. I am 65 years old and have been arrested twice, both times correctly. Maybe meangene should re-assess his life-style. And learn the difference between there and their.

Honest cops where?
I have been falsly arrested 4 times in my 58 years. I am a father of 3 and raised them by myself. I have worked hard all of my life. I have been falsly arrested and falsly accused and have been falsly convicted even when I had evidence proving that the police lied 10 times in there report. I have been told to turn off my video camera and threatened with arrest when I refused. The police can legally lie to you and when they tell one lie they will tell another. I dont trust them one bit and will never be arrested again. I will use what ever force nesasary to avoid arrest. Our police courts and jails are completely out of control.

Cameras ?

crappie chappie,

you write 20 'clums' and then one that is semi decent. EXCEPT, you offer scant evidence.

How about a link to the video in your story?

I have never in my life been stopped by a cop who was less than polite.

And only once, was a bribe hinted at.

Well, yes. That was in Chicago, in the 1970s, and I was guilty of having an Indiana License Plate. I have not been back since.

But, he was still polite.



Marty
Apparently that isn't true of the cop in this video.

Yawn
Retired cops thoughts: These cameras are so laughably overrated. The real objection most cops have is that they are automatically viewed as a panacea to guard against misconduct. Let the camera malfunction, let something happen other than in the front of the police car, and God help the cop. Moron juries routinely presume that there should be a video of whatever it is they are there to adjudicate, and any absence thereof is prima facia evidence of police misconduct. There are so many cameras out there today in the form of cell phones, digitals, etc., that most cops operate 24/7 on the assumption that their every word and deed is being recorded.

There seems to be an overlapping
common misconseption here. ! a lack of personal responsibility. the cop wants to lay his bad performance off the screen, the perpetrators want their faces on camera so if they do something wrong ,the lens will catch it if the officers overreact. The only time neither of the people want the camera on them, is when they do wrong. Now, here's a very foreign thought for both and its STRIVE TO NOT SCREWUP! don't that sound easy? Just do your job right! simplistic but true.
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