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Sunday, February 08, 2009
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Failing in Afghanistan
by Steve Chapman
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Some countries exist for no apparent reason, but not Afghanistan. Its function in the world has long been clear: to show great powers the limits of their power.

First it was the British, who in 1842, at the height of empire, were defeated and expelled. The Soviets invaded in 1979, only to encounter a fierce insurgency that forced their withdrawal. Now it's America's turn to marvel at Afghanistan's immunity to outside control.

Afghanistan was once among our sterling military successes -- a war, predicted by skeptics to be a certain quagmire, that produced a swift and stunning victory. The triumph came in 2001, in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks mounted by al-Qaida, which had enjoyed a safe haven in this corner of South Asia.

But that was a long time ago, and the longer we stay, the worse things get. 2007, the deadliest year of the war for the American military, gave way to an even bloodier year 2008. Extremist attacks are on the rise, and the Taliban now has "a permanent presence in 72 percent of Afghanistan, up from 54 percent a year ago," says a report by the International Council on Security and Development.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has predicted things will get worse this year. President Hamid Karzai's government is widely seen as weak and corrupt. And, not least important, Osama bin Laden is still at large and issuing taped calls for jihad.

President Obama has pledged to give new priority to Afghanistan, with plans to send up to 30,000 more troops, which would double our numbers there. But his administration "does not anticipate that the Iraq-like 'surge' of forces will significantly change the direction" of the war, according to The Washington Post. The point is to buy time to formulate a new strategy, which currently qualifies as a failure.

The change of heart appears to be based on the reality that we can't remake the country without a much bigger and more costly commitment that would mire us in Afghanistan for years to come -- and still might not succeed. Lately, the Pentagon has been defining success down, without the world-saving rhetoric of the Bush administration.

A classified report from the Joint Chiefs of Staff has recommended that the president shift the focus from nation-building to destroying Taliban and al-Qaida targets in Pakistan. Defense Secretary Robert Gates recently said that "our primary goal is to prevent Afghanistan from being used as a base for terrorists and extremists to attack the United States" -- not "creating some sort of Central Asian Valhalla."

Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan was a war we had to fight, and one that served vital national interests: punishing enemies who attacked us on American soil and making sure they couldn't do it again. The original invasion accomplished the first mission and went a long way toward the second. But once Bush turned his attention to Saddam Hussein, he let the Afghan war become an afterthought, lacking sufficient resources and a clear policy.

So what should the policy be? The one identified by Gates and the Joint Chiefs. It makes no difference to our security if Afghanistan is a republic, a monarchy or a theocracy -- as long as it is not a haven for Islamic radicals bent on our annihilation. That's lucky, since there is no reason to think we have the wisdom or the patience to mold the country into anything resembling a prosperous democracy.

Our main power is military, but it has been unable to realize our outsized ambitions. The obvious next step is to try to peel various Taliban factions away from Bin Laden and Co. by offering them a share of power if they give up the fight. Under that approach, we could concentrate our energies on wiping out terrorist camps along the Pakistan border. It also holds the promise of letting us leave in the not-too-distant future without undue risk.

Does it sound like appeasement? Only to those who forget a big key to our recent progress in Iraq -- essentially paying Sunni militias, our onetime enemies, to abandon al-Qaida in Iraq and join with us.

It may be a disappointment to settle for what is merely vital in Afghanistan after the heady days of the early war. But expanding our mission invites disaster, which is worse than disappointment.

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I see where the author found this
Stratfor, the intelligence people who advise governments all over the world wrote a very similair piece just last month on this.

Said nearly the same thing.

The points made by this column are subjective and debatable.

The USA today declared Tora Bora impregnable. And many editorials lionized the Afghan fighters as unbeatable.

Not only are the fighters beatable, Tora Bora was done away with in a week with nearly no casualties.

Poor subjective analysis of a very fluid situation.

afghanistan
is obamas war. he and his ilk tried to lose the iraq war, and repeatedly asserted that afghanistan was where we needed to expend our efforts. after the entire left invested in losing the war in iraq, i wonder just how much anyone but the traitorous left cares if obama loses in afghanistan. the traitorous left, of course, will have no problme abandoning afghanistan after they make it a national point of honor to win there. i see no reason anyone in this country should do anything but stand by while the left makes a mess out of afghanistan and then abandons it.

The Template
More and more "journalists" are writing opinion as to why it makes sense to, in my opinion, "cut and run" from Afghanistan.

It is just a crying shame that we both won the war in Iraq and a humiliating defeat can't be pinned on George Bush, so pointing to Afghanistan as the "Just" war no longer makes sense, right?

Besides, it looks like whatever we do is going to be controversial, so lets just cut our losses. Nobody at home will know, media types like Chapman will see to it, so lets lose while the losing is good.

curm

I really hope you don't mean that. Afghanistan is our war. and we must give it our best efforts. Have some faith in Petraeus and, yes, Obama, who is seen in the ME as offering something refreshing and hopeful. I cant recommend enough a program on NPR about this subject. Go to itunes, then go to podcasts and search for a NPR program called Fresh air, and download, free, the program on the Taliban.

To Summarize
Our interests in Afghanistan are limited to being sure it is not a privileged sanctuary for terrorists.

When we were not there it was such a privileged sanctuary.

So we should go away and it will not be a privileged sanctuary again.

The reason it is now a privileged sanctuary is because we are there after taking our eye off the ball and going into Iraq. If we were not in Iraq we would not need to withdraw from Afghanistan because not diverting forces to Iraq would have left enough forces not in Afghanistan and we would not have to pull anybody out of Afghanistan in order to have enough forces sent to where the Taliban are not
so where they are not would be the sanctuary where they were located and we could say that there was no longer anyu need to worry about terrorists.


To Summarize
Afghanistan is more a collection of tribal communities than a "nation" or a federal system that we are familiar with. It became a home base for terrorists like Al Qaida, and after 9/11, we crippled their ability to take the fight to us. We accomplished significant goals in that region, namely severely punish the enemy that attacked us. We must continue to keep the enemy on the defensive, but I think we should set realistic goals as to what we can actually accomplish in that region. The Islamists v moderate muslims will be a fight for the ages, and will span future administrations after we are all gone. Afghanistan may never have a federal government as we understand it, but we should keep a presence there to help those moderates that do not wish to attack the west to retain power.

Steve is wrong on his premise
"Unlike Iraq, Afghanistan was a war we had to fight, and one that served vital national interests: punishing enemies who attacked us on American soil and making sure they couldn't do it again."

If punishing those who attacked us was the goal then there was no reason to conduct the war in Afghanistan that goal would require attacking a specific individual. If it was to make sure they couldn't do it again, then the war in Iraq went much further to achieving that goal. Steve's two objectives are not mutually supportive as constructed in his article.

The overarching plan of changing the ME which was only possible by changing Iraq is what will make us safer. And from where I sit (Baghdad) things are looking better all the time.

Charlie Wilson's war
Did anyone see the end of this movie where after we defeat the Soviets Afghanistan becomes a hellhole of radical Islamists when we pull out and leave a government vacuum? So when Chapman says it doesn't matter what kind of government they have and we shouldn't be interested in nation building in Afghanistan wasn't that the final message in the movie? "We f*cked up the endgame". Guess he doesn't have Netflix or a Blockbuster card otherwise he would suggest we need a stable Western friendly non-theocracy and we better get interested in providing support for it and seeing it happen or we are asking for trouble.

We hope Obama strategy is better than...
the one he is using on the Stimulus.
So far he only talks the talk.

PresidentialBalls.com

America cannot even manage itself
Yes, it cannot even make sure that its borders stop cold the influx of illegal drugs plus still basically for anybody to just walk in.
And yes, there is such a mess in deportation of illegals, with cities, counties, States, etc., dealing whichever the local authorities feel like it.

Yes, as reported shortly by the FBI that presently the gang members number 900,000, with 200,000 having joined in the last two years, with 147,000 sitting in jail and being fed most certainly 3 meals a day while hunger has increase by 50% in the last couple of years.

Of Course cannot even manage its finances, as the economy is melted shamefully and now the hoopla fight between parties as to how fix things, with the Republicans now claiming to know better how to fix the present economy while under the Republican things went fully to hell.

Of course the writer of the article failed to mentioned, maybe intentionally that it was America's support of the now Taliban bunch that the Soviets packed up and left. America even send them over a 1,000 stronger bred mules for that rugged terrain; maybe Bin Laden riden one presently. Of course America also packed up and left shortly after.

A story als has it that when Eisenhower was president he did visit with then king, in Afganistan when the King pled with him to help his nation, with know how etc., but never such help became a reality.

Some Russian journalits sometime back suggested that America is making the same mistaken the Soviets made, and that America will end up failing there also. So, what next? I say: America get the hell back home and even rebuilt your own country; it needs it badly!


Did Afghanistan Attack Us on 9/11?
What are we doing sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan...did Afghanistan attack us on 9/11? And if Afghanistan doesn't have WMD's, why are we not getting our troops out of there?

If those of you on the Left support President Obama's escalation of things in Afghanistan, are you going over there to fight? Are you sending your kids over there to fight?

What is the exit strategy for Afghanistan...does President Obama have one?

How much will the 30,000 additional troops cost the taxpayers? Shouldn't we be spending that money on Health Care and Education here in the U.S.?

How will sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan make us safer here at home?

What right does the Obama Administration have to be the policemen of the world?

Do you on the Left support the troops, but not the war in Afghanistan?

Isn't this escalation of things in Afghanistan, just going to create more terrorists in the region?

Why are we not sending these 30,000 troops to North Korea where they already have nukes and are a bigger threat to us?

Did the United Nations approve of the additional troops in Afghanistan, or is "Cowboy" Obama just going it alone?

Have we built a coalition with France and Germany on this, or is President Obama dissing our allies?

And when you get right down to it...isn't this escalation of things in Afghanistan really about the oil pipeline?

Too bad Terry
Except for a few conservatives most of what you said will be lost on the lib-trolls.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Chapman, Sec. of Defense Gates are right
Afghanistan has never been a unified national state.

Various parcels of territory carved by Western cartographers into what is called Afghanistan have historically been ruled by warlords and tribal leaders.

That is unlikey to change. It is part of Afghanistan's DNA.

Agree with Chapman and with the remarks by Sec. of Defense Robert Gates that our focus must be on preventing Afghanistan from being a base from which extremists can attack the U.S.

It must not be to bring about a national democratic state. We do not have the forces to do that.

And it would be the height of stupidity to even try.

For those who want a realistic assessment of the tenuous nature of how U.S. and NATO forces are supplied in Afghanistan, read Arnaud de Borchgrave's fine piece today at Washingtontimes on-line, entitled "Kremlin Trumps NATO".

Russia and the various "Stans" bordering Afghanistan hold the trump card on supplying NATO/U.S.forces as Pakistan descends into chaos and Islamic unrest. In Pakistan, attacks on NATO supply routes destined for Afghanistan are steadily increasing.

H.D., I think Obama has more sense than to allow Afghanistan to grind up thousands of American troops, like it did to Russian troops two decades earlier.

Compassionate war gets our troops killed
If we are justified in attacking another country, Congress needs to FIRST declare War. Once that is done, it is the duty of the President to lead our troops into battle and win at all costs.

Congress is too cowardly to declare any more. We kicked butt in Afghanistan. Our military did a great job. Once we had them thumped, we should have left and told them if they harbor terrorists again we'd be back. We had no reason to spend more than 6 months there.

Instead we tried to be compassionate and help them rebuld. Now, 7 years later our troops are dying, we are spending billions and the situation is getting worse.

When we are finally forced to withdraw, we will have lost the advantage.

Our military is great at fighting and horrible at nation building. Pull out all our troops from Afghanistan and Iraq as soon as possible. Then start bringing the home from all foreign soil.

If a country threatens us in the future, we should demand that congress follow the Constitution and declare war. We should then kick butt and leave.





your opinion
it doesn't make any difference what your opinion is , Our new god obama and his cronies will bury us no matter where we fight to try to keep our freedoms , they are pro moslum and obama has said [ in print by his own hand that he will side with the moslums when the going gets tough , if that isn't a traitor in a white empty shirt what is it , he's a failure from the start , he's from a corrupt government where he learned all his KNOWLEDGE , chicago , now he has hired all his corrupt friends [ who are dropping like flies ] they are under scrutiny now [ not in chicago ] all his buddies [democrats] are just accepted as crooks who are corrupt when out of the spotlight , now have the public eye on them and they shrivel like the witch in oz when seen for who they are , how in hell can people like this run our government , your going to see change thats going to make you puke , and what he has done so far is a big step in that direction , how long will god put up with killing his babys just because they are a inconvience to the gal with hot pants that doesn't want to be tied down yet?? kaley ring a bell???? now back to afghanistan , now do you think a guy who can't even keep his own house streight can run our government , remember this is the guy who said [something like , if one of my daughters make a mistake [ get pregnant ] he wants her to abort the baby ] sick puppy this boy , did you vote for this?? the -1 the -o , our redeemed , our king???? where oh where is his magic wand???
why are we waiting , why isn't everything fixed
the -O , The - 1 , is in power , he promised????

What should our policy...
be in Afghanistan? Our military has the power and capability to fight aggressors.

What we have failed at is taking their economy away from them. We let the poppy fields continue as the cash crop. With all of the bright scientists in the USA it boggles my mind that we have not come up with something that would destroy the poppy fields.

If the drug trade was destroyed it would hurt the corrupt side of Afghanistan more than the ordinary citizen. If we would take away their biggest cash crop it would change the war. And as I said earlier our troops can take care of the aggressors.

We don't really need to win
Winning doesn't seem to be the issue, if winning means converting Afghanistan. We just need to keep people that want to kill us off guard, over there preferable not here. It is surely a different situation than Iraq but in either case we seem to have wrapped them up to a point where it keeps them down. Bin Lauden may release a statement once in a while but he is still a hunted dog with less influence and one day we will find him in a hole like Saddam. The role of our military has certainly changed over the last few years. If this means going after them on the Pakistan boarder, so be it.

Never ending
Welcome to the new world -- more like the real world -- Chapman.

The Romans sure would have liked a respite from the barbarians continuously knocking on their frontier walls, killing their people, and harassing their Republic. If you can't win outright, this is how it goes. If we're not willing to re-fashion the country, and put forth the resources and effort for that, then this is exactly how it goes. Pick your poison. Say what you want, but India and Hong Kong, for example, are not the places they could have been without the beauty of "Imperialism" and "Colonization". Boy, we have tried to distance ourselves from that truth, haven't we?

terry
Afghanistan, under the Taliban, harbored the people who attacked us on 9/11. So yes we invaded Afghanistan as a reasonable response to 9/11.

Do you really not see that your questions show how Afghanistan and Iraq are different? You seem to think that there is some inconsistency in supporting the invasion of Afghanistan and opposing that of Iraq. But it requires an awful lot of ignorance to make that case.

The demand for an exit strategy makes sense before launching an invasion. But Obama didn't launch the invasion of Afghanistan. As president he will have to clean up the mess, but that question doesn't even make sense as posed to Obama. I hope he has an exit strategy, but he inherited this mess, he is not responsible for creating it, only for the mistakes he makes in extricating us.

The World of Diplomacy
The unwritten rule of international diplomacy is, You break it, you buy it”. Meaning, you go in and wipe out a nations government you have an obligation to fix it. I agree with Chapman what that Government looks like is secondary to its ability to function as a government.

Afghanistan’s humbling of super powers actually goes back to Alexander the Great. Steven Pressfield’s Historical Fiction, “The Afghan Campaign”, provides an excellent account of this.

Chapman is right
Obviously Chapman is right about what he says about Afghanistan, although possibly too optimistic. It would have been interesting to see what we could have done in Afghanistan had we had a competent administration in power. But unfortunately we had Bush and Cheney and they got bored with Afghanistan and saw electoral gain from switching to the juicier Iraq.

But 7 years in it is likely to late to see what could have been done by trying to do it now. The question is whether there are more reasonable goals that are actually acheivable.

pga301 is right that an unstable state is a natural haven for terrorists. And we are not currently in the position to guarantee a stable one.

TAKING HUMANITY HOSTAGE
It was no accident of history that Obama won election on the anniversary of the hostage crisis when the war with militant Islam began; for now the greatest challenge to our security and power, to Israel's existence and Mid-East peace, is coming from nuclear, fascist, apocalyptic Iran-the engine of radicalism in the region extolling terrorism, martyrdom and death about to build a nuclear bomb the ultimate weapon of death. The mullahs delight in killing, kidnapping and hostage taking, they invented suicide bombing and shed blood to please their God. And what they made us suffer years ago in seizing our embassy in Tehran they will do to the oil rich Middle East and humanity at large holding everyone hostage to nuclear blackmail and the threat of atomic war. "They want to devour the Arab world," warned a frightened Hosni Mubarak who foresees a nuclear Iran formenting revolutions throughout the region. Who can fail to see the hunger in Ahmadinejad's lean face and beady fanatical eyes, an exterminating devil who became president of Iran on the 60th anniversary of Hiroshima.

Click ApolloSpeaks to read the rest of this piece: Perils of a War Weary Nation in the Age
of Barack Obama


Strategy from Obama?
That's hilarious, he hasn't even ran a lemonade stand.
Obama's closing of Club Gitmo, and not prosecuting the perpatraitors of the USS Cole raises more red flags than the tiananmen square uprising.

Lon
When are Democrats going to stop politicizing our National Security? We almost snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq because of the Democratic leadership politicizing the conflict. Bottom line, Bush and Cheney kept us safe since 9/11. If Obama’s dismantling of what was in place leads to our being attacked he’s politically toast.

Do what can be done
After the British fled Afghanistan in a humiliating defeat, came this cynical observation:

You cannot conquer Afghanistan.

You cannot buy Afghanistan.

But you can rent it for a while.

This (renting it) is Obama's only viable option.

The Problem
Afghanistan is a lawless land run by mobsters unlike any we currently are experienced with. Their total livelihood is based on illicit drugs. We have the ablity to destroy the poppy fields in their entirety - chemically. There is a product that they could grow that is successfully being grown by their neighbors in surrounding simular conditions. We have to make it unprofitable for the Taliban and Al Qaeda to benefit from the illicit trade. We have to bring their commerce out of the shadows.
And we have to kill the terrorists where ever we find them. No prisoners, no Gitmo. Kill them without prejudice. If that means killing them all and sorting out later the really bad from just the ones that are sheltering them - then so be it.

Lepanto
You have a very charitable bottom line (I wonder if you apply it equally to Clinton who after all kept us equally safe after the first attack on the World Trade Center and did so without costing thousands of American lives overseas to do so).

The Bush adminstration added $1 trillion dollars in debt in invading a country that posed no threat to us and wasn't part of the attacks on us. They timed it so that the build up occurred during an election season and could be pushed through without serious debate. If you want to know what politicizing foreign policy looks like, that is it.

Pointing out the situation that Obama inherits in the hopes that he will do a better job than Bush did is what is necessary to improve America's foreign policy position.

An administration that made us one of the world's torturers and reduced our legal reputation to that of kangaroo courts does great harm to this country. And a lot of americans died because of their poor decisions. Soldiers are americans too, I am not sure why conservatives think they shouldn't count.

Lepanto
Good post. The Dems aided and abetted our enemies by publicly critizing our leadership and military before we ever went into either country. Pelosi et al predicted "tens of thousands of body bags" would be needed to bring our dead troops home. Put yourself in the enemy's place and even though you are getting your butt kicked, you hear Al Jazeera broadcasting interviews with Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, John Murtha, or John Kerry calling our troops Nazis and announcing the war is lost.

Would that demoralize you or would that give you a glimmer of hope that if you could just hang on long enough, the Dems would get enough public support to cause the U.S. to withdraw?

Why would you not try to hang on? The Dems did the same thing to our troops in Viet Nam and despite the fact that we were winning, Gen Giap gambled on public support pressuring the administration to withdraw our troops. The near and long term results were disasterous. Near term, it gave us the killing fields in Cambodia and long term it made Osama Bin Ladin believe we were a "paper tiger" that could be intimidated by terror.


Jimbo
"The Romans sure would have liked a respite from the barbarians continuously knocking on their frontier walls, killing their people and invading their Republic"

Um, not so much Jimbo. While it's true that they were invaded once very early in the game, and before the Republic was actually institutionalized, the Romans plundered as much of the worled as they could reach by horseback, to acquire treasure, slaves, and lots and lots of natural resources.

Sound familiar?

About That Opium
Uncle Sam needs to get his cranium out of his rectum and stop trying to prevent or destroy the raising of opium.

The problem areas of Afghanistan consist of various and sundry raiding tribes. Pushtun are the largest. Until producing replaces raiding as the norm, these areas will be a problem.

The only producing people are the farmers that grow and harvest the opium because it is the only crop that pays more than starvation wages. Suppressing these people is our number one blunder.

Instead, buy all the opium they can raise and pay top dollar for it. Then convert the opium, (plant and all, not just the opium buds) to petroleum. Opium yields almost three barrels an acre even before employing bacterial enhancement.

Tribesmen who have shown some degree of friendliness towards the US can be employed providing security for the farmer and their crops and can also provide manual labor for the conversion plants.

The taxpayer will probably have to spring for setting things up. However, the plants are virtually certain to be able to run at a profit and even take over paying for the crop after a couple of years.

We can also see what , if any, kind of plant would provide greater yield than the opium plant.

Last but not least, by doing things in this matter, our side controls the rural areas of Afghanistan first and the few urban regions follow thereafter.

The drug wars are an Achilles heal for us and Afghanistan illustrates this to a faretheewell. Time to do a little clearthinking.


Indie-Lou, Troglodite, Iraq
Indie-Lou, Romans embellished their Empire by forcibly foisting their ideas upon others, acquiring slaves, treasure and resources.

In the end, that was their undoing.

The slaves had no allegiance to Romans.

Nice post.

Troglodite, true. We may rent Afghanistan for a period. That is the BEST case scenario.

On koolaid swiggers pathetic desperation to resuscitate disastrous Bush legacy on Iraq:

1. General Odierno asserts Iraq war will continue well into 2014 and probably longer(Meet The Press interview with author Thomas Ricks).

2. No one disputes the largest beneficiary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq is IRAN.

3. Hosni Mubarak, Saudi royal family, Turkey, and virtually all Muslim world, strongly opposed G.W. Bush invasion of Iraq. They now insist on U.S. forces in Iraq ONLY because Bush made the situation so much worse by invading in the first place(NOT a ringing endorsement of Bush).

4. Odierno believes most recent elections in Iraq have resulted in Iraqis becoming MORE, not less, sectarian. He also fears Iraqi gov't will try to manipulate U.S. forces into attacking Iraqi factions not aligned with government(per Ricks interview).

5. The Kurds in the north did not participate in Iraqi national elections. They have no desire to remain part of Iraqi state. One third of Iraq boycotted the elections.

One possibly positive note, Muqtada al-Sadr's party, whom Iraqi government and U.S., had tried to defeat, emerged second in the elections, both in Baghdad and in Shia south.

This is good news for it spelled defeat of Al Hakim's SCIRI party(closely aligned with Iran).

Al Sadr despises us and our presence, and he comes in second.

After all our sacrifice, what does that tell you?

Iraq will cost 3 trillion U.S. tax dollars, thousands of U.S. lives, tens of thousands of horrific lifelong debilitating injuries of our soldiers, and probably two hundred thousand Iraqi lives, along with millions of Iraqi refugees.


Lon
Let me explain to you what Obama plans to do in Afghanistan.

Simply put: We're going to blow-up some rocks. This will then be hailed by the Obama folks and the MSM as: Fighting the real war on terror. We'll have soldiers roaming around in the mountain ranges in Afghanistan searching in caves and shooting at rocks. And since no one really cares about what goes on in Afghanistan, this will pacify the Muslim world.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

Diplomats will be jetting around the world for "talks" as Biden is currently doing. There will be a lot of hand-shaking, picture taking and we'll get a few more pieces of paper created with catchy names assigned to them. More picture taking, hand-shaking and reports from the MSM about how the world is starting to like us again.

The terrorist groups? Well, they'll keep right on moving forward, planning their next attacks on the U.S. and other western nations.

That's how it will go...in a nutshell.

Maybe I'm just a dumb conservative...
but can someone explain to me in INTIMATE detail how these useless, unnecessary wars in Afghanistan and Iraq make me any safer when I go to the supermarket? Please spare me the nonsense about fighting them there or fighting them here. That’s BS. Terrorists can, and probably are, training in dozens of countries around the world, including the U.S. We should be fighting a war in every one of them. The security of this country would be much better served if we brought the troops home and put half on the Mexican border with orders to shoot anything that moved and used the other half to find and deport every illegal invader – all 25 million of them.

Nuke the Whole Country!
And just start over from scratch! I think that would be easier at this point!

terry
Not sure how your description fits with what will actually happen. Would the military not notice what they are doing on your scenario, or would they be complicit in this waste of time?

But the funny think is that still sounds like a huge step up from the last 8 years in which we sent a trillion dollars removing a counterweight to the Iranians and losing more than 4,000 soldiers and leading to the deaths of 100's of thousands of Iraqis.

That is the sad thing about the Bush years. Painting Obama as wasting time still makes him a better commander in chief than his predecessor.

Mistakes
Lon writes:
"I hope he (Obama) has an exit strategy (for the war in Afghanistan) , but he inherited this mess, he is not responsible for creating it, only for the mistakes he makes in extricating us. "

And I hope his "vast experience" will keep the mistakes to a minimum. I think I shall not place any bets.

opium prices
Oilpatch Mercenery writes:
"Instead, buy all the opium they can raise and pay top dollar for it. Then convert the opium, (plant and all, not just the opium buds) to petroleum. Opium yields almost three barrels an acre even before employing bacterial enhancement. "

Hmm so what is the price per acre (to the farmer) if the opium is harvested instead of converting the plant to petroleum?

We could also greatly reduce whatever that price is by ending the (failed) war on (some) drugs.

Afghanistan
Leaving the Taliban in charge and allowing the country to be a training ground and planning ground for our enemies was not an option.
I do not have an idea about what should be done about it, but the decision to attack the Taliban was a no-brainer.
We had several chances to get bin Laden, but that is water under the bridge. Killing him would make him a martyr and capturing him would compound the problem of what to do with "ununiformed armed combatants." Imagine an open trial in Federal court.
Donald W. Bales

Obama's big mouth


During his Campaign Obama had the swagger and the mouth to match of any Hollywood tough guy. So I would ask Lon or any others singing the praises of the Obamessiah as CINC, why he doesn't put up or shut up when it comes to Afghanistan? Remember this twit bragging how he'd go into Pakistan if he was POTUS? Why hasn't he done it yet?




Whole lot of muttering here
I'm not sure I'd put much stock in Terrie Gross' (NPR - Fresh Air) abilities as military analyst or strategist. Faith in Petraeus will cost too much in blood and treasure as we come to the same pass as Alexander the Great. Those mountain redoubts cannot be subjugated. Turned into radioactive dust, yes, but never defeated! If we followed the admonishments of Jefferson and Washington to avoid entanglements "over there," we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. The Manifest Destiny crowd took us off that founding principle and the New World Order folks (a.k.a. neo-cons) have forced all of us to drink the hemlock of global economy, which has given us the vicious warfare-welfare cycle that has destroyed our economy. Bring the troops home and station them on the shorelines and the borders, with their guns pointed outwards!

Lepanto
I'm curious about the "Lepanto" handle, that being the site of the last great naval defeat of Islam's ambitions for world hegemony. That defeat didn't stop them from piling jihad upon jihad and those ambitions led to the founding of the United States Constitution. Forget all about "forming a more perfect union" and all that. The Constitution was all about providing for a navy to prevent Islamic pirates from exiting the Straits of Gibraltar and bringing their piracy to our shores and that gives Islam primacy among our enemies.

A.O. (After Obama)
To use a trite phrase which we learned well in Southeast Asia, Obama may have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory already in Afghanistan. Obama has had his overtures to the Muslims shoved back down his throat. Afghanistan’s Karzai has turned to the Russians after Obama’s insults. Russia has responded boldly, taking over a base used before Obama by U.S. aircraft to support the war effort on the Afghanistan battlefront in the world war against Islamic jihadists and interfering in other ways with the NATO effort there. What irony there is in this given the history of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and Carter’s feckless response, followed by Reagan and GHWB taking effective action.
Osama bin Laden said after Obama the U.S. does not have what it takes for four more years of fighting the Islamic jihadists. Iran’s Ahmadinejad has ridiculed and challenged Obama by more demands. An Iranian Muslim cleric said, “Shame on Obama and all who voted for him.” Other Muslims, including Hamas who supported Obama in many ways, are taking a wait and see approach pending further revisions, concessions and apologies from Obama.
Libya’s Qadafi, beaten down, scared by Reagan and the Bush’s into giving up the Pan Am aircraft bombers and his nuclear materials, sitting down and being quiet, is not a completely stupid or unambitious man. He saw what happened to Hussein and before that his own family and almost him when he was bombed. Qadafi called Obama a Muslim in a published speech and held out hope for change if Obama was elected. Qadafi had, after all, been visited by Louis Farrakhan, head of the Nation of Islam and Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s mentor in the church that honored Farrakhan. Since Obama, Qadafi is now head of an African coalition and aspires to be President of the United States of Africa. (cont.)

A.O. (After Obama) - 2
Failures in the world war against Islamic jihadists may be much larger than only in Afghanistan. I am in a wait and see posture on Obama too. So far in his first 20 days it is not looking good for us or our true allies, including Israel. We may start soon numbering our days as B.C., A.D. (or BCE and CE for the Godless) and A.O. (After Obama).
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