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Thursday, November 27, 2008
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Chicago Defies the Second Amendment
by Steve Chapman
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Since the Supreme Court upheld the individual right to own guns last summer, one municipality after another with handgun bans has faced reality. Washington, D.C., which lost the case, changed its law. Morton Grove, Ill., repealed its ban. So did neighboring Wilmette. Likewise for Evanston. Last week, Winnetka followed suit.

Then there is Chicago, which is being sued for violating the Second Amendment but refuses to confront the possibility that what the Supreme Court said may apply on this side of the Appalachians.

When it comes to firearms, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley is no slave to rationality. "Does this lead to everyone having a gun in our society?" he demanded after the ruling came down. "Then why don't we do away with the court system and go back to the Old West, where you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets?"

From listening to him, you might assume that the only places in North America that don't have firefights on a daily basis are cities that outlaw handguns. You might also assume that Chicago is an oasis of concord, rather than the site of 443 homicides last year.

So it's no surprise that Daley refuses to make the slightest change in the handgun ordinance, preferring to fight the lawsuits filed by the National Rifle Association. He is not impressed that 1) the law almost certainly violates the Constitution, which elected officials are supposed to uphold, and 2) it will cost taxpayers a lot of money to fight lawsuits the city is bound to lose.

The Chicago ban dates back to 1983 -- a time when no one had to worry about the forgotten Second Amendment. The ordinance prohibited the possession of all handguns (except those acquired before the law took effect).

It had no obvious benefits: Homicides climbed in the ensuing years and by 1992 were 41 percent higher than before. But the policy rested undisturbed until last summer, when the Supreme Court ruled that Washington's complete ban on handguns violated the individual right to use arms for self-defense in the home.

If that logic applies to the D.C. statute, it very likely applies to Chicago's law. The city, however, notes that the nation's capital is a federal enclave, and that the court did not say that states must respect the Second Amendment. That's true. The court's ruling also did not say that China is in Asia, which doesn't make it part of South America.

Once upon a time, the Bill of Rights restricted only what the federal government could do: States were free to restrict free speech, conduct unreasonable searches and impose cruel and unusual punishments. But nowadays, the court says that because of the 14th Amendment, passed after the Civil War, states must respect virtually all the rights set out in the Constitution.

There is no reason to think the justices would exempt the Second Amendment from that rule. Ronald Rotunda, a constitutional scholar at Chapman University law school, thinks the Chicago ban has no more than a one in five chance of surviving court review.

That might be worth the gamble except for all the money the city is asking to be relieved of. The losing side would not only have to cover the costs of its own lawyers but also pay the winning attorneys. In the D.C. case, the amount has not been settled, but the lawyers who handled the suit asked the court for nearly $3.6 million, while Washington offered some $800,000. So if Daley insists on fighting all the way to the Supreme Court, the total tab will probably run into multiple millions.

The city says this is not necessarily money that can be saved, since even a revised ordinance could face a court challenge. But sensible changes might deter opponents from pursuing a lawsuit, and if not, at least the new version would stand a good chance of being upheld. Judging from its lawsuit, the NRA is aiming only at eliminating the city's total ban on handguns -- which is what the Supreme Court will almost surely demand anyway.

Daley's recalcitrance may be viscerally satisfying to him and some others, but it doesn't change the choice the city faces. It can change the law now or it can change it later. Later will be a lot more expensive.

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Weapons are ....
shipped across America's borders by the truckload. It's useful to have a citizenry that is defenceless and frightened.
Americans haven't any friends in political office. Good people work for a living and contribute goods and services that are freely exchanged on an open market.
The only thing you'll get from a politician is coersion and taxes.

Chicago & the 2nd Amendment
I would think that they were FOR the 2nd Amendment considering their murder rate.

What is True
A few days ago a report on violent crime was released by CQ Press which rank cities by their violent crime rates.

Just for grins, I picked the top 12, researched their mayors and gun control laws. They all had democratic mayors and gun prohibitions. All studies show that has gun ownership is banned or discouraged, crime increases.

Liberalism is always at war with the facts. Ban guns, crime rises. Spend too much, the economy tanks. Increase subsidies for failure, failure increases. Man is heating the planet, notwithstanding that science shows major climate changes over the eons.

Liberals are rabid anarchists, made at their parents for not making them measure up and mature. This is why they scream, shout and throw tantrums like little children. They never learned how to gather facts, draw valid conclusions, and persuade others rationally.

All liberals should be put to death, like we do with rabid animals. Then the rest of us can live in peace, tolerance, inclusiveness, and harmony where all views are respected and we engage in polite dialogue in a collaborative manner.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Peace.


Ignorance Breeds Ignorance

This is a pretext to the brilliance you will be blessed to watch as our new leader, Communist B. Hussein Obama, attempts to destroy this country IF he gets sworn in.

we need more guns...
Daly might become yearly and then not at all.
The citys cruising for a bruising in the long run if they continue to fight this.

JDs Handsome Son
Liberals need not be put to death. They merely need to be rendered politically powerless. there are several ways this could possibly occur. They involve quite sensibly restricting the vote. One scheme is the celebrated StarShip Trooper method of restricting the vote to those who have served the Republic. Another is a simple literacy test. Illiteracy in this country hovers at about 70 percent. Dis-enfranchising illiterate voters would rob the left of its political muscle. Some posters muse about the possibilities of revolution. I can certainly see possibilties of violence. I would think banishing PC and restoring workable govt would probably take place short of armed revolution. We voted ourselves here. We can vote ourselves out.

Pistol in Florida
I find your suggestions do have merit. However, I believe Stalin was correct when he said that the death of a man solves many problems: No man, no problem.

Here is a possible compromise, a middle of the road approach.

Enslave liberal women and employ them as laborers for the building of the new conservative world order. Their superior upper body strength vis a vis liberal men makes them useful.

Forcibly convert liberal children into Chritianity and enroll them as life members in the NRA. With time, and proper parenting, they will become useful members of society.

Liberal men, though, have no place in our future. They should be evaluated and any not having diseases should be harvasted of their transplantable organs, then gassed and cremated.

I'm usually in a more compassionate mood during the holidays. After January 1, my mood changes and I become less tolerant.

JDs Handsome Son & Pistol
Great ideas!!!

Or we on the right could acquiesce and give in on abortion and gay marriage. Then sit back and let the left breed (or lack there of) themselves out of existence.

I can understand Liberal Mayors.

I can certainly understand the point of view of Liberal Big City Mayors.

If you take a crime map of the United states you see an overwhelmingly number of gun violence occurs in Liberal communities as in Big Cities.

From a Liberal Mayors point of view, the Liberals that live in his/her city are always trying to shoot each other.

The reasons for this are numerous. Poor communications skills, frustration, poor education, no jobs, mental disorders, a lot of stress and tension. Living among Liberals can be very stressful. They are accustom to taking from others that which they did not earn. In a close circle of people, that behavior can lead to violence.

Big cities used to be places where everyone wanted to live. 24 hours a day action. Jobs, always find a store open. Things to do. Arts, museums, music. That was in more conservative times. That was before Liberals moved in with their programs to improve the quality of life.

America doesn't have a problem with Guns. America has a problem with Liberals with Guns.


Daley's probably popular for this.
But I suspect that if he were to go the opposite way and ram through immediate 'shall issue' ordinances mirroring laws in Texas or Idaho, he'd see the number of violent deaths in his city decrease.

It happens everywhere it's tried. An armed citizenry is an occupational hazard to the professional criminal. He'll go to Australia and ply his trade there once the 2nd Amendment is properly enforced across the country here--or he'll pick up a less dangerous line of work.

Or he'll eventually be shot by an armed citizen, pushing the crime rate ever lower.

JD's Handsome Son, Pistol, Corndog
Is gassing the best way to dispose of liberals given the current debates on global warming? Perhaps our ideas would be less objectionable if they were eliminated in a more green fashion.

Liberal men could also have some entertainment value. For example, "safaris" could be organized whereby those of us who cherish the 2nd amendment could pay a fee to hunt them in controlled areas. The revenue could then be used to build new weapons manufacturing plants and thus reduce the backlog on assault weapons orders in place now because so many Americans are stockpiling in anticipation of the next ban. The average wait now for the better domestic made assault weapons is now 12 to 18 weeks! This is outrageous.

How about skeet ranges where instead of clay pigeons, a liberal male is "released" from a catapult when the command "pull" is shouted from shooters?

Just a couple of ideas.

JD's Handsome Son
Any trifling merit my timid offerings may posses pales in comparison to your brilliant analyses. I quibble at some possible difficulties. Not in your theory which is unassailable, but in details of implementation.

First, how do we recognize liberal children? Or more accurately, children who will fall prey to liberalism. Most 6 year olds are deeply involved in using what works. They constantly discard failing policy and investigate new ideas. They are well aware of the power of the stick and carrot. In short, few children are liberal, they have to be twisted somehow into becoming liberals as adults. Perhaps you mean merely separating the offspring of known liberals from their parents before contamination.

I am not aware of the species "liberal men". The words do not compute, in the immortal phrase populaized by the stupefyin' Julie Newmar. Is there some sort of oxymoron involved?

BRILLLIANT Cicero Dallas !!!!
I've seen on-line hunting sites where you can remotely control a rifle with your mouse. At certain times of day, a feeder is opened, the deer come out, and you can bag one, have it butchered and the meat shipped to your house.

Perhaps we could set up a similar franchise around local Starbucks or college faculty lounges, with all proceeds going to defend the NRA.

Cicero Dallas
You are disgusting. How can you call yourself a conservative. I am on my 4th purchase of new firearms which have the virtues of pistol grip and large magazines. I got started 6 months ago before the demand you describe lead to inconvenience and elevated prices. I sold 5 of my 7 such rifles for 4 times what i paid for them during the last idiotic "assault rifle" ban, and expect to do the same again. My current project is trying to locate a folding stock for my H&K .308. They get very pricey when banned, you know.
In the meantime, i stick to my $96 SKS paratrooper. No home should be without one and i'll keep mine until i can't see a target nor squeeze the trigger.

How To Recognize Liberal Men
Liberal "men" is a contradiction, but for now let's assume it as a working title until better nomenclature is agreed upon.

Here's a few tips on recognzing liberal men. They are smaller than liberal women, pale, and nervous, constantly fidgeting, biting their nails and trembling. When you see liberal mates, the males are the ones wearing harnasses and backpacks which contain the infants and toddlers.

In many ways the gender roles have flipped in liberal households. The males wax their body hair, moisturize and preen constantly. While they're finding their more feminine sides, their female life partners are at gyms working out and picking up other, more masculine, sex partners, typically men with motorcycles and guns.

Liberal men resent their female life partners because they've been emasculated. Unable to defeat their women in single combat, they find other ways to marginalize and humiliate the women. The Kennedys drive their mistresses over bridges and allow them to drown while they run to their political handlers.

Clinton molests other women while forcing his wife to pick up their underwear and then run for political office to keep her busy.

Liberals are an odd bunch, for sure.

Amerikans Are Evil
Democrat politicians are driven by the knowledge that Amerika is evil and all Amerikans should pay the price for their evilosity. Making it harder for Amerikans to defend themselves is only right. The rest of the world can't rely on the Iranians and the North Koreans to do the whole job. They need help from the Democrats who are obviously more than willing to lend a hand.

Pistol
Forgive my ineptitude. I'm currently a probationary conservative with only five ARs, six AKs, and two DS Arms FALs. I have a 6.5 Grendal on order from Alexander Arms and when it comes in, I can apply for tenure.

With my application I will have to submit a copy of my purchase of 10 Magpull 20 round magazines, and the new Arsenal American made mags for the AKs. These plus my diploma from Blackwater's tactical carbine course should guarantee quick approval.

Corndog
Let's not be too commercial. We're talking sport here. What is needed is some criteria to evaluate trophies. We wouldn't have antlers to work with, so i suggest some measure of head pointy-ness. Perhaps some ratio between skull circumference and the distance measured from the tip of the nose to the crown.

As already posted, any revenues should be allocated to the NRA and used for good works.

The gun debate
When a citizenry is well armed, the people who die at the hand of a gun are more bad people than good people. When a citizenry is disarmed, then more good people die than bad people. Having an armed citizenry is the better choice. Period.

Pistol
I was thinking the exact same thought about trophy criteria. Head pointy-ness might work, but it could be difficult to determine under dreadlocks and a Peruvian Skull cap beanie.

If only there was some way that we could determine their body odor levels, we could target those with the greatest stench.

Liberal men defined:
Possessing a non-functioning miniature version of the same genitalia found on the conservative male, and used mainly for decorative purposes, finding employment as college professors, and sticking in other liberal males.

Corndog
I beg your indulgence. I foolishly assumed your complaint about the 12 week wait applied to OTC sales. My own purchase of an Olympic Arms heavy barrel flat top in .25 WSSM took 13 weeks to deliver. I bought lots of ammo becasue i figure the caliber will soon be defunct, but i have a weakness for weird calibers. 6.5 Creedmore is more likely to be easily available down the road. I hear its getting a lot of play in long range shooting sports. I wish there were as many good bullets in .25 available as in 6.5.

Guns.....
Remember folks....gun control has absolutely nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with control. "The road to tyranny is covered with the blood of the unarmed citizen." I will never ever ever ever give up the only means I have to protect my family. Signed..... the proud owner of a Winchester, a Glock, a H&K, a Mossberg and a Ruger....You want em? I'd love for you to try and take them away from me.

LOLOL and ROTFLMAO
are often abused on these threads but they apply this morning here. Thank you all for getting my day off to a great start. As my Puerto Rican friend wished me yesterday, "Que tengas un buen dia de accion gracis."

God Bless and Protect - American Warrior
The American Warrior is someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness for Duty, Honor and Country.

The American Warrior is someone who frightens many people because they live in denial of reality, the American Warrior reminds those people that violence exists in the world.

The American Warrior has the capacity for violence towards those who threaten America and the American way of life.

The American Warrior is a constant reminder that there are terrorists in the land and those that wish to destroy America are already here on American soil.

The American Warrior on September 11, 2001, rushed towards the danger instead of fleeing from it, intent on defending and helping those American citizens in danger. Many American Warriors gave their lives that day and many more were willing to give the ultimate sacrifice for America and its citizens.

Most Americans are glad that they were not on the planes that crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon - the American Warrior wished they had been on those planes because they might have made a difference.

American Warriors were on United Airlines Flight 93 and defended unto death America and its citizens with the cry "lets roll".

The American Warrior waits for the day that they have lived for and trained for their entire life - to defend until death, America and its citizens.

"There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edmund Burke

This Thanksgiving, I salute the American Warrior, both living and dead. Men and women who serve in the Armed Forces, Police Forces, Fire Departments and ordinary civilians who rush forward to our defense instead of running from danger.

The American Warrior - God Bless and Protect You!

AK
Buy an AK. It is so simple, any Jihadist can be trained to use it! Liberals will take longer due to their aversion to firearms.

Molon Labe!

OOps
Grendel, not Creedmore. Isaw ads for 6.5 Grendel manuf by Wolf for a quite reasonable price. Approximately $65 a hundred. I was considering a Grendel or a 6.8, but fell for the .25 with its greater ME. If i had a Grendel, i'd pick up ammo and dies. Even if you don't load yourself, you can find someone to do it for you. I used to load 7.7 Jap for a friend who swore by his Arisaka before ammo was easily available.

Retired Geek
Amen

I want to vote for a presidential candidate whos motto is "Let's roll"

Some Other Ideas
Liberal gun run shooting matches can be tailor made for the region. For example, where I live we recognize liberal cars as still having Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. (I saw a clever counter to these on a conservative car that said Nixon/Agnew, however I can't find them anywhere).

So perhaps one event might be Auto Rodeo. You shoot up the Volvo or Jetta having a Kerry/Edwards sticker with an SBR in full auto disabling it. As the liberal driver jumps out and squeals with fright, begging his female life partner to get help, you take a couple of shots at the legs, then run over and bind him with duct tape.

The possibilities are endless.

The DS Arms FAL in .308 is my choice for a "Go To" rifle. It will be ready when the bailouts fail, the economy collapses, and the legions of hyphenated victims of society and disenfranchised inner city youth flood out to the country and cause mischief.

JD's Handsome Son
Duct tape is unnecessarily sturdy and expensive. Magic mending tape suffices in al instances where used.

Cicero Dallas mentions he has 2 DS FAL's. I've heard they are the best. I recently bought an old Century Arms FAL sporter. Has wood stocks, which i couldn't resist. I hear the upper is a Brit FAL and the lower a metric type from ??? What ever, it shoots very well and is a big favorite when i show up with it at the old farm. Ugly is as ugly shoots, and i paid half what you guys did. Of course, i was taking the chance of a lemon, and DSA has an enviable reputation.

Best Exchange
The exchange of ideas on this thread are hilarious.

Thanks to JD's H Son, Corndog and Pistol.

And to Chapman for reminding me to be thankful for my personal arsenal.

Retired Geek
Amen!

"For those that protect it, freedom has a special meaning the protected will never know."
Scrawled on a "C" Ration box at Khe Sahn, Republic of South Vietnam 1968.

Lets tap into the entertainment industry
The libs love their reality TV almost as much as they love their 3rd world dicators. So why don't we round up groups of moonbats and send them to live under a repressive regime while hollyweird films their zany antics.

Imagine the possibilities;

Survior - North Korea
Big Brother - Cuba
Dancing with the Czars - Russia
No Dancing with Sharia law - Iran
Super Nanny State - Venezuela
The Apprentice Suicide Bomber - A Hamas encampment somewhere in Syria
And finally,
The 700,000 million Bachelors because 85% of the population is male due to baby girls being aborted under "One Child" law - China.

LISTEN UP LADIES
This is it! The big enchilada, the “Final Solution”, for all the red neck idiots who still believe in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and that other outdated reactionary crap. With a billion dollars spent installing this empty suit in the White House your new overlords aren’t planning to let a bunch of state college educated rubes in fly over country impede “real meaningful change”. Plan accordingly!

And Now The Serious Stuff
No subjects or citizens, when legally armed and kept in due order by their masters, ever did the least mischief to any state. On the contrary, they have always been of the highest service to all governments and have kept them free and incorrupt longer than they would have been without them. Rome remained free for 400 years and Sparta 800, although their citizens were armed all that time; but many other states that have been disarmed have lost their liberties in less than 40 years.

A powerful citizen who, when he has nobody to deal with but an unarmed and defenseless multitude, may easily avail himself of that multitude's assistance to overturn the established government.

No man has ever founded a monarchy or a republic without being well assured that if his subjects were armed, they would always be ready and willing to defend the monarchy or republic.

Tyranny and usurpation are not a result of arming the citizens, but of leading a government weakly, and that while a state is well led, it has nothing to fear from its subjects' arms.

Excerpts from The Art of War, Niccolo Machiavelli, Book One, Pages 20, 30-33

Gun control
Gun CONTROL is practice, practice, practice and a tight five-shot group.

Gun BANS are OSHA for criminals.

My Pilot Project
OK, here's my idea of a pilot reality show.

Late one night 100 progressives are kidnapped by Blackwater operatives, drugged and loaded on C-17s at Dover AFB, Delaware. From there they are flown to Iraq, then driven to and dropped off in the baddest Al Queda strongholds.

On the flight to Iraq thew progressives are briefed on their mission: open a dialogue with the jihadists, broker a peaceful exit for themselves without being beheaded on worlwide TV.

On the flight over there, they are naturally nervous but to put them at ease theyd are given T shirts to wear that say things like, "America Sucks", and "I Hate the Troops", or "I'm on Osama's Side". But when they land and before they're put on Stryker vehicles, their heads are shaved and they're put in American military uniforms with officer rank and combat infantry badges.

We can then witness their superior negotiation skills and they will show us how the issue in the Mideast can be peaceably resolved, thus proving that George Bush was wrong.

Assuming they fail and are all beheaded, then we do the same thing the following week and continue to do so until all the jihadists sign a document recognizing Israel.

Any comments?



This reminds me
When i was still working construction (I'm retired now) I went on a job in Indiana a few months after 9/11. I parked next to a pickup that had a picture that the owner had downloaded. It was a drawing of the Statue of Liberty, and in one hand was the flame. The other hand was giving the finger and the caption below was simple - "We're coming motherf.....!s"

I'll never forget that.

2nd Amendment
VERMONT is the only state to get the 2nd right;you want to carry a gun,you carry open or concealed,NO permit required. Alaska has recently joined them.
Once a permit is required to own or carry a gun,it's no longer a right,but only a privelege granted by the State,and can just as easily be revoked by the State,without any court of law.
We are slowly LOSING this battle,people.
Soon it will be time to push that 2nd Amendment "Reset" button.
Start with the anti-gun politicians and judges.

get ready

Get ready to dig a large hole for your weapons,for when the controllers come,they will destroy all in their path to gain domination of the citizenry. Be ready for anything because the new guard will not stop until they control it all,and us with it. They will use the ruse of compassion to get you to turn your weapons in so they can melt them down and sell the metal to feed the children and the homeless.This bunch cannot be trusted,they are masked jackals,in other words,your killers come to you with a hug and a smile on their faces.Practice,perfect,and manage your concealed weapon if you have the license to carry it.and never.never.give them up,if you do,then we will become subjects,not citizens.

A Little Gun History Lesson
A Little Gun History Lesson


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

------------ --------- ---------
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

------------ --------- ------
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13
million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up
and exterminated.

------------ --------- ---------
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
------------ --------- --- ----
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------ --------- ---------
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
------------ --------- ---------
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
------------ --------- --------
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million.

A swift kick in the behind ....
A swift kick in the behind is what Daly needs as he is booted out of office - along with his bunch!

JD'sHSon,Pistol, Corndog,Etal,
Amongst all the humor, there is a certain amount of truth in your writings. We really do need to get serious about the upcoming administration. I will never submit to my weapons being taken. As a former combat Marine I still go to the range at least once a week just to keep my skills up, I consider it money and time well spent. Happy Thanks giving to all!!!

Liberals and gun control/banning
I have found that you cannot argue with idiots, THEY DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND THEN BEAT YOU WITH THEIR EXPERIENCE.

Advice for today: Pick up your brass.


post by old gunny, been there.

The Second Amendment
is the only amendment to the constitution where "original intent" is ever argued. An armed society is a polite society. Support the resistance, fly the Culpeper Flag and on Jan. 20, 2009, fly the American Flag at half staff. Our long period of darkness has started.

Wonderful set of responses
I have cpied "Subject: A Little Gun History Lesson" to a text file for possible future use. I als copied the "C" ration quote sent by Buckskin and the Edmond Burke quote sent by RetiredGeek to my 'Quotes_I_Like.txt' file. Thank you all. And thank you Steve Chapman for the excellent article.

The old west?
Isn't that what is happening now Mr. Mayor?

The murder count might reach 500 by the end of the year, things are already being settled in the streets.

At least give the law abiding citizens a chance to defend themselves against those who refuse to obey gun laws... you know... the criminals.

Firearms take away freedom.
The ownership of firearms by common citizens needs to be banned for their own good. The only way to ensure that the citizenry remains safe is to only allow the government to possess firearms. The populace must be disarmed at any cost, regardless of what it says in some silly document written over 200 years ago.

The so-called Bill of Rights is pointless if we must face the possibility that another citizen may be able to shoot us. Safety ursurps any need for "rights", and that safety can only be brought about by making our government the sole entity allowed to possess such firepower.

Detractors may say what they want about the Soviet Union and existing totalitarian states, but nobody can deny the citizenry of such nations do not have to worry about scofflaws using firearms to cause them injury. The Soviet Union was 100% crime free because of their ban on citizens owning guns. Conversely, we in the "free" United States suffer from millions of murders each year because citizens own firearms. If the government had sole control over such weaponry, our citizens wouldn't have to worry about firearm violence, and as such we would truly be free.

Buckskin From TX

A little history lesson for you.

Liberals don't care about History.
Liberals don't care about facts.
Liberals don't care about freedom.

They don't respect life so how on earth do you expect them to respect your right to protect your life?

Firearms take away freedom
That other citizen may not be lawabiding and carries an illegal weapon. You will be at his mercy. The 2nd ammendment gives you the privilege of self defence in the form of a legal weapon. Concealed carry will cut Chicago's death toll in half

LD;guns "take away freedom"
Our Founders recognized that for people to keep their freedom,they needed to have firearms.Thus the Second Amendment.Loyal DemocRAT fails to realize that gov't tyranny is th reason the colonists revolted against the incumbent British government,BY FORCE OF ARMS;individually owned arms. The Declaration of Independence even mentions that it might be necessary again,"to alter or to abolish" an abusive gov't. LD also fails to recognize that the government itself has been a source of guns for criminals.Both Federal and local governments have had guns stolen or simply lost them.Then there's smuggling.

guns = freedom
Loyal DemocRAT fails to realize that criminals prey on people not only with guns,but with other items,too. But guns in the hands of citizens gives them a fair chance at self-defense,better than any other method,and one that almost anyone can employ;elderly,handicapped,small,or weak.
LD should read the NRA's Armed Citizen column for articles where people used guns to protect or defend themselves and others.
LD speaks from ignorance,and should educate himself before commenting.

Ken
Two words from history. Molon Labe!

gun control/bans
gun control or bans make it safer for criminals than for ordinary decent citizens.
Guns are the "great equalizer",allowing a 90 lb woman to defend herself against a 200 lb male attacker.Or a 80 yr old against a 20 yr old who's bigger,stronger faster than the old person. Call 911,and how long does it take police to arrive? By then you could be dead,raped,or crippled for life.Police are the clean-up squad.

USSR "crime free"?
Loyal DemocRAT is deluded if he believes the former Soviet Union was crime-free.
Just as in Japan,criminals in Soviet Russia had guns,they just didn't need to use them often,because their victims were disarmed and helpless.
Japan's Yakuza make a business of gun running.
There's no country on Earth that is gun or crime free.

Autocrats and weapons control
Every autocrat since the world became somewhat civilized has, before exercising his power, forbidden the populace to own deadly weapons and has collected all weapons from said populace.

Daley, if not an autocrat, certainly acts like one and if pushed will probably enforce his rule with the use of deadly force! Chicago Law puts no restriction on the actions of its self divined autocrats.

Our founding fathers recognized that without some restriction on the autocrats of the world it would over time devolve into a total autocracy - hence the second amendment!

It seems that autocrats are cowards who flinch when their victims shoot back when pushed too far and looted too much.

Jack King
a former resident of greater Chicago

Jack
Hooah!

Right to bear arms

For what it's worth the state of Illinois constitution states: Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I'm not sure what "subject to police power" implies, but if state's rights is used as an argument to ignore the second amendment of the US constitution, then there would have to be a change to the state constitution to allow the gun ban to go unchallenged.

Buckskin - your numbers are way off
Russia: 40-60 million

China: 60-100 million

Rich D.
But the point is not.

Liberal trophy scale
One point is given for each gonad and one for the associated appendage.

No pointer - 100 lib points

One pointer, or undescended - 85 lib points

Two pointer or Bobbit - 70 lib points

Three pointer, no diameter exceeding little finger nail - 60 lib points

Three pointer, gonads thumbnail size and appendage little finger length or smaller - 40 points

Three pointer, toyed with - 25 points

Three pointer, normal sizes and signs of frequent use - you idiot - you shot a conservative! NO POINTS AND JAIL TIME.

Guns
Gosh, Mr. Daley! I feel you are in need of the 'Logic 101' class. It will teach you many interesting things...like 'facts' and how valuable they can be when you are responsible for the lives of the people in your city.
When your city became number 1 in crime (beating out LA), that should have given you a clue. The bad guys obviously have guns. If I lived in your city, Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson would be my constant companion, especially when in my own home. Since the bad guys seem to be in your favor, there's little chance that many will move to your city, unless crime is their thing.
Last week, when Mr. OBama said he would be 'honored', when told that your city was being considered for the Olympics, I laughed until it hit me. If ACORN were involved in the voting for the Olympics coming to Chicago, it COULD happen.
How can you tell the entire world that their Olympians aren't safe in your city, but you'd love them to come there anyway...money is involved, after all? Mercy, Mr. Daley. Are you that blind to the 'facts' about your city or are you just stuck on stupid?

Good Idea
Actually Daly has made a good point. Justice would probably be better served by Old West justice than it is being served by moronic juries and corrupt judges. Think of it! A dull pocket knife would make believers out of all current and future child molesters; it would only take one episode. Punks that were shot between the eyes would cease to steal and murder; think of the savings to the taxpayer. Yes, I can see validity in his thinking.

The only reason Daly does not want an armed public in Chicago is because the Chicago political machine is amongst the most corrupt in the country and this bunch does not want to be taken down by honest citizens with revolvers who are fed up with corruption.

Mayor Daley.............

.........you, sir, are an idiot. You cost Chicago countless millions when you closed Meigs Field, a move that when the FAA gets done with you will cost Chicago even MORE......

And you steadfastly hold to your belief that laws simply don't apply to you with your nose thumbing at the Second Amendment.

Both of these acts will eventually catch up with you and kick your fat ignorant butt.

Daddy's henchmen won't be around forever to save your sorry hide, sport.

The Old West Wasn't the Old West
Old West towns had far lower murder rates than Eastern cities like New York, Philadelphia or Cincinnati. In the mid 1880s for example, the western territories had a larger population than New York yet New York experienced more total murders. Daly would absolutely adore the Old West because so few people were willing to cause problems because almost everyone was armed. It was the towns that implemented "no guns in town" rules, like the infamous Tombstone, that had issues.

Make America like former Soviet Union
Nobody ever drowned in swimming pools in the former U.S.S.R. because nobody could afford them. Banning swimming pools would save lots of lives: a child's chances of drowning are a hundred times that of getting shot!
Democrat is right: guns are different. Guns have evil spirits in them that talk to their owners and induce them to do evil acts. Just like with alcohol Prohibition: bottles of whiskey have devil spirits that make people do evil things too. That is why Prohibition was such a good idea.
To be consistent lets take guns away from the cops because they make the cops evil too.
Another interesting "fact": the suicide rate in Japan is twice that in the U.S. Trying to stop suicide by banning guns is like trying to stop obesity by banning ice cream. Japanese-Americans are the most law abdidng people in the U.S. Their crime rate is lower than Japanese living in Japan. Try and figure out how the evil spirits in guns don't affect Japanese-Americans.

These anti-gunners are delusional
They really do think that the gun itself is evil, and if you take them away from people, we will have a safer society. What part of law-abiding do you not understand? What part of criminal do you not understand? Criminals do not stop doing things because you wrote a law against it. They're CRIMINALS!!!!!! They are inherently cowardly, and some frontier justice would help greatly in turning them away from a life of crime.

Look to England!!!!!!
THIS is where they want to take us. They get a woody at the thought of total gun confiscation in America! In England you have NO RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE AT ALL!! NONE whatever. If attacked you are to assume the "victim posture" (a fetal position) and yell for help. ANY effort to defend yourself will result in the attackers being granted immunity from prosecution to testifiy against YOU for vigiliantism.

They are trying to ban knives now! No matter that thugs and gangs have all the knives and guns these days. No. Much civilized you know to be defenseless.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Look to the wolverine ...
all American. Sixty pounds of tooth, claw, sinew, fur, spit and general bad attitude. Even grizzlies give the little fur balls wide berth. Why .... law of the jungle, no matter how big you are, a fight with old wolverine at best is a phyrric victory.
Same law works for people ....

TEXAS CASTLE LAW
I'm hoping here in Louisiana we pass a similar law to Texas's Castle Law, passed last year. As I understand it, this means a citizen can shoot a criminal car-jacker, a thief stealing from yr home, a thief stealing from a neighbor, WITHOUT FEAR OF CIVIL SUIT RESULTING. If more of these drop-out, loser, gangbangers feared citizen backlash with weapons, there might be fewer holdups, burglaries, carjackings, and rapes, not to mention murders. Here's a tip: Join the NRA and help them overcome these sheltered, naive liberals who think we should hand over our wallets, our vehicles, and our lives without a firefight. Signed, Still Safe in Cajunland

God bless the 2nd Amendment!
"Throughout history a distinctive feature of a free man is that he owns arms. While a distinct feature of a slave is that he does not." a butchered quote from - Dave Kopel

LD
BTW Loyal Democrat is a satirist, if some of you didn't catch on. LD... another masterpiece!! Carrying Liberals arguments to their logical conclusions!!

KATZ IN TEXAS
Please comment on yr new CASTLE LAW in Texas. We all need such a law in all the states. Naive, sheltered liberals need guidance. They are like children. It's a jungle out there! You should see what's been going on in Lafayette, La. in the last month. You wouldn't believe it! Used to be a nice, quiet town before Katrina blew a lot of unwanted misfits into town. Now we need the TEXAS CASTLE LAW just to run errands! Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

Welcome back Loyal Democrat!!
Satire is beyond the ken of too many trolls here such as KoolMuse and Ranger 29 but welcome back anyway. Keep inflaming the ignorant masses.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

They will come for your guns
The left has not abandoned its desire to have a total monopoly on deadly force. They just realize it's somewhat unpopular. They'll find a way to do it, just wait for a few changes in the court, or a few more schoolyard massacres, or a minor race war, and citizens will be asked to surrender their right to self defense for the 'common good'.
The fact is that among white Americans, the murder rate is essentially the same as it is in disarmed Europe. It's the high rate among hispanics and the astronomical murder rate among blacks that skews the figures.
For that matter, women almost never kill with handguns. Why not go to the root of the problem and simply ban men from owning them? Because liberalism is all about levelling. The women may not be at all at fault, but they must suffer as well, for the sake of 'fairness'. The people pushing these laws are the very stupid, and the liberals who live in gated communities.

TO GREG IN CA
Greg, say it isn't true! You're scaring me. On the up side, S&W and others should see stocks roar upwards as the gun and ammo purchasing exceeds 20% more than usual. I can't do without my guns. How will I kill the chicken snakes in the coop? The water moccasin in my path? The gangbanger who is breaking into my house to rob me? The gangbanger who is carjacking my pickup? Help! Naive, sheltered liberals deserve whatever they get. Maybe not. They're like children. Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

Love that L.D.
The beauty of people being suckered in by L.D.'s satire is that his/her raving lunacy is not out of line with the nonsense that REAL liberals spew daily. L.D. spews absolute foolishness, and people just read it and shrug it off as just another liberal speaking his mind. Keep it up, L.D.

I Feel Like I've Come Home!
Fear the government that fears your guns. I believe that liberals have a very good reason for their attitude that the government should be in charge of protecting them, handling their money for them, etc. If I was that unintelligent I would want some help too. Why don't the liberals understand that when laws such as this are passed only the law abiding citizens obey? Here are some insights from an email I recieved:
1. Don't pick a fight with an old man, if he is too old to fight he will just kill you.
2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
3. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.
5. Beware the man who only has one gun; he probably knows how to use it!

And the back of the t-shirt I am going to have made for myself at our local graphics shop:

GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA
We don't compromise.
You shouldn't either.
If guns kill people then...
-pencils misspell words
-cars make people drive drunk
-and spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat

Have a wonderful day, you all have made mine!

TO JESSICA IN TEXAS
You go, girl! Get a t-shirt printed up with the first list you wrote also. I especially like the one about "I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy." Good bumper sticker too. It might help with the plague of carjackings in our country. If more gangbanger dropout, retreads feared armed citizens, they might back off from their bold and murderous ways. But don't tell that to a sheltered liberal, they'll just remind you of the gangbangers' warped childhood, and sheeplike, hand over the keys and the wallet. Weenies that they are! Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

Mayor Daley
"Adolph" Daley was a "punk" kid growing up in the Bridgeport area, and he's still a punk. He thinks he's above the law - just like his late father was. He's used to getting his way, no matter what.

Chairman Daly
My son lives in Chicago and Mayor Daly is often referred to as "Chairman" Daly - think Chairman Mao. He is a goofball supremo, and HIS city is rife with crime in the streets - a great testament to his gun ban.

We have this little inconvenient thing called the Bill of Rights, and the 2nd Amendment rankles these liberal lunatics. All the bizarre, convulated gun laws already enacted are already an "infringement" on the rights of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. The Bill if Rights, and indeed our U.S. Constitution, is all about individual freedoms - not the nanny government taking care of our every need. When, pray tell, has the government been able to keep almost anyone safe - terrorists still strike (9/11 - using boxcutters) and criminals still maim and kill and pillage. It's only after the fact that the authorities show up and sweep up the dead bodies and debris. When the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791 it was a requirement that all citizens own firearms......so stop the revisionism and stop trying to sieze our country and turn it into a Communist police state. Resist people, resist and do not let your God-given, Constitutional rights be stolen.

defying the law
Why are people who are elected officials such as Daly allowed to defy the law and the U.S. Constitution? These renegades should be immediately removed from office and replaced with those who respect the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States of America. If they wish to govern in a country that does not have a Bill of Rights or individual liberties such as our great nation is blessed to have, they should move to a country more to their liking and try to get elected there. Lawless officials have no place in our system of government.

tally ho
You guys talking about shooting liberals are disgusting and reprehensible. I mean REALLY, where is the sport in that. Like shooting barnyard chickens. However I do agree something must be done to control their population. I hear some of them are fond of running, perhaps those could be hunted with hounds as the Brits do foxes. The taking of the 'tail' would control their overbreeding, and those few who provide a good chase might be allowed to remain intact to improve the species. Others might actually experience a spiritual awakening and discover that they really believe in self defense.

Re: "defying the law"
bhashows writes: ..... “Why are people who are elected officials such as Daly allowed to defy the law and the U.S. Constitution?”

You’re not seeing the real picture. The question you should be asking is this: [When elected officials defy the highest law in the Nation, why should the rest of us obey laws which are unconstitutional?] The obvious answer is: WE SHOULD NOT. This is why when I lived in DC back when the recently overturned gun ban went into effect, I immediately bought a hand gun and not only kept it loaded in my home but carried it on the streets. This is why I now carry a gun in San Francisco which voted into law a similar ban, also overturned by the courts. The answer to corrupt politicians who defy the Constitution is for us to defy their laws. If enough of us resort to massive civil disobedience, perhaps they will get the message.

Fine them!
Isn't the executive branch supposed to enforce decisions by the judicial branch?

The Justice Department should fine Chicago $100,000 a day for non-compliance.

Better do it soon, before Obama gets in.

Chicago And mayor Daley
Mayor Daley refuses to honor The Constitution and the 2nd Amendment as have numerous other DOMOCRATIC Mayors and legislators in cities across America. The mayor asks silly questions about everyone having a gun now and going back to settling disputes in the streets. Actually Mayor, ideally we would allow dueling again and soon enough the people would be no longer plagued with NAZI'S like you. Mayor Daley is poart and parcelll of government gone wild in America and how it has become a rogue and outlaw entity.
"The American people pretend to be Free; The rulers in Washington pretend to Agree".
"An unarmed people is an enslaved people".
"A disarmed people are a conquered people".
Death to Tyrants and Swindlers.
The Macy's Christmas Baby of 1938
approves this message.

18wheeler defying the law
Thank you for your comment! You are to be admired and I totally agree! When non-Constitutional "laws" are enacted by elected officials or activist judges, or liberal spins are put on existing laws the patriotic United States citizen has no choice but to completely ignore these edicts. We cannot allow the revisionist/activist minions to sieze control of our country and bypass our amazing U.S. Constitution. Resist, resist, resist!

Gun rights and good sense
I doubt if Daley opposes guns. It wouldn't be at all surprising to know that he is protected by bodyguards who have guns.

What he opposes is legal ownership of guns by citizens who are not protected by bodyguards and have to protect themselves or forego protection.

One might ask oneself why Daley needs armed bodyguards and police escorts since he can simply call the police, just like any other citizen, if he feels he needs protection.

Perhaps he thinks more highly of his own personal safety than he does of the safety of other citizens. If so, that is self-serving and hypocritical.

Schools and universities in Michigan are "no-gun zones." Carrying a gun is forbidden by law.

Knowing this, gun-wielding thugs from neighboring communities come onto the campus where I teach and rob students at gunpoint. The thugs know they are safe because law-abiding citizens won't be armed on campus.

Now I ask you anti-gun people this: Do you think these thugs went to their local police dept., passed a safety test, went to the local Gander Mountain store with their police-issued purchase permit, bought the gun, took it back to the police department for registration and a safety check, went through the training and then got licensed to carry a concealed weapon, and then carried the gun into a "no gun zone" college campus for the purpose of committing armed robbery?

Do you think that if handgun ownership is made illegal these thugs will surrender their guns and give up doing armed robbery?

Do we need more gun laws? No! These armed robbers have already broken laws concerning qualification to purchase, purchase, safety test, registration, concealed carry, age (if under 21), the "no-gun" zone, and armed robbery.

We don't need more laws. We need more law enforcement and stiffer penalties.

And we need armed law-abiding citizens so armed robbers know they will be taking a big chance when they pull a stick-up.

Detroit's decoy operation
In the early 1970's in Detroit young thugs were pulling armed robberies and strongarm robberies on older citizens on the streets. One of their favorite targets was old white women.

The Detroit police dressed up officers like little old white women. Thugs would attack a "little old lady" who would then whip off "her" wig, pull "her" service revolver from under "her" skirt, and identify "herself" as one of Detroit's finest. Quite a few young thugs tried unsuccessfully to outrun police bullets and mainly these thugs died. In short order the crime rate went way down.

Then liberal Judge Crockett got into the act, ruling that a young black man shouldn't forfeit his life simply because he wanted to rob a little old lady. The decoy operation was disbanded. Crime went back up.

Although the "victims" were police officers, the message is clear. Armed "victims" have a much better chance of controlling the situation than do helpless-appearing victims.

Re: Gun rights and good sense
Chuck writes:.... “I doubt if Daley opposes guns. It wouldn't be at all surprising to know that he is protected by bodyguards who have guns.”
...................................
Chuck. Regarding what you’ve correctly assumed: From my contacts on the Chicago PD, I can tell you that Mayor Daley is in fact well protected by armed body guards. And he also has a CCW permit. But the hypocrisy doesn't end here. Illinois is one of 2 NON issue states: meaning NO CCW permits are ever issued: unless of course you’re a mayor, a member of the city council or the Illinois State Assembly. In which case these few, as members of a privileged elite class, get “Special Issue” gun carry permits. Why? Because these people are…. “SPECIAL”. Now if any of you who've read my previous post and wonder why I've become a "criminal" by carry a gun "illegally" ie (without a CCW permit), this kind of blatant hypocrisy may give you a clue.
I only wish more of you would join me in becoming “criminals” and send a message to this excrement we call politicians”

Liberal population explosion
If you are concerned about the liberal population explosion -- not to worry. With the liberals in power, promoting gay marriages and no limits on abortions, in a couple of generations liberals should be extinct.

To 18-wheeler
Thank you for validating my assumption. What you say should be known by more people.

Michigan has "shall issue" CCW laws and I plan to go through the training and licensing to carry legitimately. Having said that, I also plan to be armed at all times.

Keep up the good work!

To CHUCK IN MI
Chuck, get this! A man I know was approached at knifepoint in a gas station. Two gangbangers demanded his wallet. He said, "Sure, Just a minute," and reached in the door for his gun. He pulls it out and they run. When he called the police, they said he shouldn't have done that. He should just have called them! Help! Our country's gone crazy. Like Rome, we're being overtaken by barbarians, only they're from within this time. Signed, Still free in Cajunland
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