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Sunday, September 28, 2008
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Hastening the Ultimate Bailout
by Steve Chapman
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Sometimes bipartisanship is grounds for celebration, but more often it is cause for tears. Last week, congressional leaders from both parties went into a room to hammer out a plan that would put taxpayers on the hook for $700 billion. But they assert that the investment is essential to the health of the economy. And they insist that if we make this investment, we'll get all or most of it back.

This promise would be more believable if the federal government had a long record of using tax dollars responsibly. In fact, it's the equivalent of the guy who raids his kid's piggy bank to feed the slots. The most notable impulse of our leaders is spending money the Treasury doesn't have, piling up bills that future Americans will have to cover.

How do our leaders intend to pay for this massive new outlay? Not by raising taxes. Not by cutting spending in other parts of the budget. No, they will borrow the funds. The Chinese and other foreign investors will lend us money so we can keep the economy humming, which will allow us to make the payments on the money we already owe them.

Unfortunately, this deceptively pleasant process can go on only so long. Today the federal government wants to bail out an industry that can't meet its obligations. But it increases the chance that the next time, it will be the federal government that teeters on the brink of financial doom.

The $700 billion comes on top of $85 billion it is lending to save the insurance company AIG. It's in addition to the $200 billion it put up for mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. There may be more on the way.

Add it all up and you find that our government has suddenly run up a trillion dollars in new liabilities. That sounds like a lot -- unless you compare it with Washington's other outstanding commitments. Currently, the national debt stands at roughly $10 trillion, which is about three-quarters as large as our entire annual gross domestic product. But The Concord Coalition, a Washington-based fiscal watchdog group, says explicit and implicit obligations amount to $53 trillion -- "almost as much as today's net worth of all household assets."

Hear that? Everything you own is already spoken for.

With each year, government spending rises, and the budget deficit gets bigger. As the baby boom generation retires, the gap will grow. Given current trends, federal outlays stand to double between now and 2050, while revenues remain roughly stable.

By then, two programs -- Medicare and Medicaid -- will cost as much as the entire federal budget does today. Which means that, essentially, we'll be financing two federal governments. If you dislike carrying a defensive end on your back, wait till his twin climbs aboard.

Even the government admits this can't go on forever. A report from the Treasury Department says that without big increases in revenue, "Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security spending and the related deficit financing costs will far exceed the government's ability to pay."

When you spend more than you bring in, you have to borrow to cover the difference. In the next three decades, the government's official debt is on track to triple. But at some point, the Treasury predicts, "the world's financial markets would likely cease lending to the United States."

Then what? David Henderson, a research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution and editor of The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, ticks off the options: We could close the budget gap by drastically cutting spending or raising taxes. The Federal Reserve could print a lot of money, reducing the real value of the debt and making it easier to pay off. Or the government could default -- in short, declare bankruptcy.

It may sound absurd to think the United States government would ever walk away from its debts. But if we are not willing to make painful sacrifices now, why would we be willing to make excruciating ones then? Inflation, says Henderson, is also unappealing because it would cause such pain here at home. Default would be more attractive to some Americans because we not only would escape our debt but also "would be screwing foreigners."

Once they have rescued the financial sector, maybe Henry Paulson and Ben Bernanke can answer the question that will eventually follow from this and other commitments: Who will rescue the federal government?

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Sarah Will Rescue Us
Turns out, Sarah is the real straight talker. She will rescue us just in the nick of time.

But it would be helpful if she would revert to Roman Catholicism--that is, if it is God's will.

No Bailout
Augusta,Ga. has been allocated almost $2 million dollars for neighborhood redevelopment. Also,to help low income buyers pay down payments and closing costs. This was in Saturday's paper. Now if we need a bailout,why is the same thing still going on?

prophecy
If the Republican House members are able to maintain a unified "no" vote on the bailout they likely will be able to save the GOP - first as a minority party and then, perhaps, a future majority one. Since they must all go back to their voters within a month, self-preservation is as much motivator as concern for their party's future.
The Senate with its 6-year staggered terms is a different matter. Not only do Senators have a longer time horizon but need to have working relationships with colleagues across party lines. That's why we saw McCain and Obama buddy-buddying at the debate. Neither could be sure that he would win the presidency. But McCain may have sealed his loss with his fake pleasantries. Any signature by him on the bailout will further lessen his prospects.
An Obama presidency will in due course destroy the Democratic Party itself. First of all, to govern America he will have to throw all his boyhood chums under the bus - burnt-out hippy communists, black nationalists, crypto-muslims, all of them. They will exact their revenge. Second, as the Dem's still large middle-class constituency realizes that their hard-won property and their retirement nest-eggs are being eroded by Obama's tax and spend orgies, the Dem portion of the middle-class will turn on their Anointed One. Third,the Black Americans to whom he owes so much are a declining percentage of an increasingly multi-ethnic America. Minority competitors will turn on him as soon as he shows gross favoritism. And finally, he will painfully come to know that the foreign potentates and masses that at first hail his arrival do not do so because they love him. But because they see him as the sign of a weak America.


Get a Paulson bailout for your junk
If you're tired of seeing the big bucks go to Wall Street manipulators, go here to apply for a piece of the action.

http://www.buymyshitpile.com/

Let's Fight Back!
Have you noticed that no one has even called for an investigation into the $700 bailout and what caused it? Why? Pelosi and Reid control the Congress and could at least posture for one. Why not? Because it would implicate their own party and the government's part in it.

We need to fight back! Obama is the "go along, get along" candidate without much experience. He will be a puppet of Pelosi and Reid and they don't want an investigation.

Like it or not, the best chance we have to fight back is to vote for John McCain. We have to send a message that we want Washington cleaned up. We have to overwhelmingly vote as a populace for one candidate to make our voices heard. McCain in the best choice.

Here's why.

Even if Obama wanted to do something, he couldn't because he doesn't have experience in tough Washington politics. Plus, Obama is not a fighter against corruption in his own party. How do you think he got ahead in Chicago?

McCain has fought everyone. If his polls surged and the media found out that it was because of the bailout, our voices would be heard. McCain would have a mandate. Also, McCain knows the tricks in Washington, so he is the best inside/outsider to launch an investigation and make cleaning out Washington happen. Add his "outsider" running mate Sarah Palin who brought down members of her own party, and we've got a good chance of cleaning up our government.

We've got to fight with our votes! If we don't, it will only get worse and we'll all be slaves. Let's vote en masse for McCain!

Florida
Republicans are not blameless,but do you hear them trying to put the blame on Democrats? The entire congress has let the country down. If you think I meant ONLY Democrats were to blame,you got the wrong impression.

I say Democrats are trying to put ALL the blame on Republicans. If you can't see that,then you are not looking in the right places. It's everywhere. I have listened to the congressional debate today.Maybe you should,too.

Rowly
Get off the blame game, it doesnt hold water! George Bush has created the biggest gov't spending in all our history! He is suppose to be a Conservative? So you cant point your fingers only at the Dems who without doubt are socialist, but what about Bush? He was the poster boy for Conservative Gov't? I guess his definition of Conservative and Mine are totally different? Elected Officials go to DC and sell their souls to the devil for a few greenbacks! This Cancer crosses all party lines!!!

Taxpayer Revolt in 3, 2, 1...
There's alot of anger about this, but that is only among the 5-10 percent who are paying attention.

Parker
Democrats,as you say, need a scapegoat. Someone to blame since almost nobody is in favor of this scam.

Democrats are on the floor of the House at this moment,absolving themselves of any blame.Too many people who are not onto their game will believe them. The MSM will,of course back them up in their lying.

Socialism has been sneaking up on us for years. The sneaking is over. It is rushing onto us and will overtake us after this 'Great Robbery' is over.

Line Item veto...
Would be worse than bad.

So hypothetically a republican congress and a republican senate pass spending bills only to see a democrat president line out whatever he doesn't like but keeps the bipartisan compromises, all the pork and basically gut a bill.

Yeah that's just what we need.

Of course, that would never happen.

Last time I looked...
Democrat party leaders were playing the blame game. Democrat party members have a majority in both houses. So, why do they need Republican votes to pass their 'solution' to the latest crisis?

If Republican policy caused the mess, surely Democrats would be jumping at the opportunity to solve it and claim the banner of victory. Hmmm, perhaps the only reasons for needing Republican votes is to provide targets when this fails.

This 'crisis' is the result of bad monetary policy instituted by Lyndon Johnson and carried forward ever since. It is part of the war on poverty and profligate government spending.

The current bill to solve the crisis will do absolutely nothing but put off until tomorrow the inevitable collapse of the American dollar.

The goal now, is for Dems to claim a victory and get their man elected. After that, they'll have four years to inflict their total socialist agenda and then the problems of today will seem like a cold compared to terminal cancer.

I agree with Steve Chapman
Let those responsible feel the full brunt of the pain caused by this.

At what point do 'we the taxpayers' take notice that congress has sold us up the river? Debt is NOT freedom.

We so desperately need term limits, a line item veto, and a balanced budget amendment.

Great Video
RE the bailout, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

Seems to me like this might make the case for relieving Pelosi and Reid of control of Congress.

Bailout
How can the average person stop the socalled elitess democrates their line for some reason people believe it...No matter how many Americans call, fax , or email our government is not listening to us ..What can we do to stop the Democrates at this game they are playing with our lives and the future of this Nation.

MyOpine
I watched the video and passed it on. Thanks. I knew who was more at fault,but it was good to see it in black and white.

Robert & Rowly
At the end of this video, Bill Clinton admits the Democrats caused the problem.
Spread this link around if you get a chance.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/memory_lane_lyn ching_franklin.html

Barney Frank
Barney,The Frank is spitting,lisping and smacking his lips as I write. Lying like a rug. He makes me physically ill. Does he have teeth? They are not visable. Have they been worn down by his lifestyle?

baseballdoc
I know very well this is a bandaid on the tumor of debt and spending that will provide only temporary relief. Been posting it for years. We run up over $4 trillion in deficits over the last 8 years, sit idly by while the Fed plumbs the money pump to sell debt to every naive soul the facilitators can find, run trade deficits that are 8 times as high as any ever run prior to 1998, have a devaluing dollar that the world is now moving to substitute a basket of currencies for, owe $53 trillion in unfunded entitlements, and now this little number will push this and next years deficit to $800 B and higher. But like Alfred E. Neumann said - "What, me worry?"

After all, didn't all the naive types sit around for the last 6 years and tell themselves what a wonderful job we were doing managing the economy while we spent $4 trillion in money borrowed by government and $4 trillion in inflated money borrowed by consumers to pump into the economy to make those job numbers look so good?

Orwell would be proud.

You must forgive me my sarcasm. Ever notice how at a funeral the person who wails the loudest often treated the deceased the worst? When I listen to people wailing about this - I wonder. I really do. After all - where have they been. On planet X with Orwell?

overlooking illegals
A BIG incentive for seeking/accepting subprime loans was "citizenship rights" for illegals. Physical property = drivers license, right to vote, equity loans, food stamps, etc.

Additionally, when faced with forclosure, they could just walk away, invent a new identity, aned start again somewhere else.

Middleclass citizens had to prove "decent" credit and ability to pay, plus we had to "qualify" for the total package and repayment was limited to 28% of income.

Then the dimmies (Carter, Clinton, Dodd, Frank, Reid) pushed the subprimes (known in the industry as NINJA loans - No Income No Job = Accept).

Here we are, and here we go again!

Rowly in GA @4:23
"What is worrying me is,the Democrats are going on every show in masse,blaming the entire debaucle on Republicans. They are taking absolutely no blame for anything."

It doesn't surprise that the Democrats are taking no blame and laying it at the feet of Rupblicans by chanting "Stop de-regulation, free market economics don't work!"

What is a great disappointment is that there are no Republicans calling the Democarats' hands and laying out the history of this debacle. Of course, hidden within the history is that old "racist" trap that nobody wants to get caught in. When you do, and it's as easy as having some liberal or racist, like Sharpton or Jackson, on the other side just say that you are a racist.

The Demise Of The Republican Party?
I see this Great Robbery as a sure way for the Democrats to have their cake and eat it,too.

So many people are angry about how this bailout has been handled. Behind closed doors. Rushed through before many American citizens know what is going on.

What is worrying me is,the Democrats are going on every show in masse,blaming the entire debaucle on Republicans. They are taking absolutely no blame for anything.

By the time the election rolls around,the whole country will believe that lie. The MSM is doing their advertising for them for free. We will likely lose, and we will have a socialist/Marxist for president.

Barring some miracle,the Democrats will get everything their way and we will be blamed for it all. It has happened before and it is happening now.

DEAL IS NOT DONE TILL GW SIGNS IT

.....REDLAC ...

..... This Bill is like putting a bandaid on a cancerous tumor ...the seed that grew into this tumor was the CRA Community Reinvestment Act ...this Act has not been recinded so all the parts that came together to create this disaster are still in place and as long as the Democrats rule both Houses so are the culprits who are responsible ...

.....If we add more debt to an already strained economy, then all we have done is to buy a little more time, maybe enough to get past the election, but the collapse of our economy seems inevitable in the not too distant future .....COLOSSUS

OBAMA WANTS TO STOP RADIO/TV ADS
.....According to NewsMax ...the Obama campaign is furious at 4 NRA Ads running in PA that point out Obama/Biden anti-gun positions ...

.....Obama and the DNC have written to the Stations threatening lawsuits if the Ads are not pulled ...additionally they are urging their supporters to bombard the stations with emails and phone calls ...

.....This is just a sample of what to expect in an Obama Administration ...check out http://www.gunbanobama.com .....COLOSSUS

Oh, sorry
HT to Ace Of Spades for link.

Actually the CRAP from Pewlousy
doesn't tell you anything. This item from Blunt gives more details.

http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/TapscottsCopyDesk/C omparison_of_original_Paulson_bailout_to_compromise_proposa l.html

But keep in mind, none of this is the final item which hasn't even been written yet. That will supposedly be released tommorrow. After which they will vote on Wed.

Good luck finding all the Easter Eggs in time to call your congress critter before he votes.

The Deal Appears Done
Go to realclearpolitics.com. Boehner and Pelosi have both released statements that the deal is done - and then outlined the details of the plan.

As far as all the blame or credit. Folks, get a clue. 1000's of lenders are not in trouble, were not ordered to make no doc and no money down loans, and didn't. It would be nice if it was so simple - but it isn't.

WTF is Going On NOW?
The demmies ar pushing forward with their own bailout whic includes 10B for ACORN, 3+B for LaRaz, plus plus plus.

Already, other "financial giants" are 'looking for help". Almost everyone knows/admits the meltdown is due to subprime loans, YET our TVs are suddenly flooded with commercials touting refinancing to reduce payments, secure personal cash from equity loans, etc.

The bailout bill has not even passed, yet, and already we are headed toward the NEXT major bailout. THERE IS SOMETHING TERRIBLY WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!!

Oracle - these borrowers weren't dumb
I think many of the buyers got in because they were offered "fix up" cash, which they considered no more than another handout to spend on whatever they wanted. They never had any intention of paying back their loans, they simply saw cash on the table and took it.

BLAME THE ENVIORNUTS

A problem this large does not start and develop in just a few years, so let’s see who caused the problem.

It started many years ago, when the traitor Eviornuts insisted that you can’t build here, and you can’t build there.

If there was a part of your town where there was room to build 2,000 homes, but the Enviornuts screamed that you might step on a mouse, so only 1,000 homes were built.

Now you go to that part your town to buy a house, and you find 5 houses for sale and 200 buyers, what happens to the price of the houses in that area. And over and over and over.

Let’s assume in another town the people in charge said, “ Screw that mouse and you Enviornuts, built all 2,000 homes.” Now you go to that area to buy a house, and you might find 300 houses for sale to those same 200 buyers, so what happens to the price of the houses in that area.

Houses, as with everything that is for sale, is a matter of supply and demand. When I was born the population of the US was 128,000,000 people, and look at it now. But still the Enviornuts did not want anything to be built so they had a place to live.

In 1955 I bought a 4 bedroom house for $16,500, my income from a great job, was $6,000 a year. Using one of the Cost of Living formulas, that wage would now be $50,000, and the house would cost $127,000.

But 5 years ago that very same house, now in much need of repairs, sold for $600,000.

The wages went up 8+ times, the house went up 36+ times, only because the traitor Enviornuts were able to keep the supply of homes too low.

And I do want your response, especially from any Enviornut traitor.

Oh and when did you last heard of a developer building 2 bedroom 1 bath homes, on a small lot.


the scapegoat excuse
I get sick of hearing about how minority "borrowers did not understand what they were getting into," and "lenders took advantage of them." HOGWASH! The libs and 'Crats obsess with making victims of EVERYONE-- it is their damm religion.

You cannot fix/coach stupid! Borrowers MUST be clearly told that their payments can go up on an ARM. If they were gambling that their home values would keep escalating so they could sell to cover their behinds-- well, dare we say it again? STUPID!!!

It is STUNNING that lenders were told to make no job verification and slack credit mortgage loans. Some of the stench here relates to loans made under these circumstances to ILLEGAL aliens, who sported out in the night when the payments were due... the very loan documents they signed were ILLEGAL due to multiple frauds.

We put out $1 TRILLION of mortgages that should not have been made, which allegedly were backed by your govt. Who demanded that social engineering? THE LEFT! Such a deal!

a MUST SEE video about the crisis


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

This youtube takes a few minutes to watch, but it shows really WHY we are in this financial crisis, which was substantially caused by the left/'Crats... I urge you to WATCH IT, PASS IT ALONG, and POST IT ANYWHERE where cognitive people might be interested in understanding the mess.

The video has links and reference sources to build its case. Speaking as a banker of 25 years who was asked to deal for a time with problem assets, I can attest that the banks were effectively compelled to make marginal to poor mortgage loans under the guise of government backing. We all knew that CRA type lending was a ticking time bomb.

The video shows how a flawed social engineering theory led to a massive housing bubble, which inexorably had to burst eventually, exposing the fatally flawed lending mistakes engendered by government leftists, first beginning under Jimma' Carter, but made far worse under Slick Willie Clinton.

It was not first and foremost (or even primarily) the marketplace which failed here... it was, once again, social engineering theory and government fiat... but "greed and graft in the marketplace" will wear the collar. This is not, however, to exonerate the thieves packaging mortgages (MBS's) on Wall Street. They are the same morally-bereft, vulture types who were there for the LBO and "dot.com" ripoffs... this time it is MBS's and derivatives.

I will say this-- IF the government bailout does not overprice the "assets," we COULD actually come out whole. We did on the Chrysler bailout, and even when we bailed out Mexico, which paid us back early and at a premium-- probably with some of the oil or drug $ we send them! We even came out surprisingly well on the massive S&L bailout following Reagan's ill-fated and ill-advised deregulation of thrifts (S&L's).

Obama sued banks for not making...
... enough subprime loans.

According to this video, which went from 1500 views 4 or 5 days ago to half a million today, Obama worked for a law firm, Miner, Barnhill and Galland, that sued banks (he was on some of the cases) for not making enough subprime loans.

It is a great vid with a ton of info about Raines, Johnson and the whole daisy chain of crooked politicians.

LOL: it begins with Chris Dodd telling a camera that yes, bad loans were made, but the real problem is the foreclosure crisis. Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha!

The video is called Burning Down the House. Every American should see it and see what happens when the government tries to social engineer our society.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

Obama received four times as much in contributions from Fanny Mae as any Senator in the last 20 years. He received forty times more than McCain.

Hope is not a strategy! The vid has an ending everyone will love.


IMHO, we should tighten the screws on all of these fools who dealt in worthless paper. THis nation needs to decide just how important growth is. Is "growth" worth it if it means doubling our population, our demand for oil, gas and natural gas, and doubling our debts to OPEC nations? America needs to catch its breath.

MAybe a good depression is just what the doctor ordered. There's a mansion in Martha's Vineyard I'd like to pick of for a couple of hundred grand.

Wendy of WA @ 9:45
You bring up a good point with the "mark to market" rule. However, without the bursting of the housing bubble mark-to-market would have been no big problem. So, we still need to concentrate on how this bubble got inflated. Why did residental propety values increase so much faster than inflation over the past 5 to 10 years? What was the factor behind most of this? From what we now know it seems to be the unintended consequences of a government program, once again: pushing the lending sector to make mortgage loans to people that should not be borrowing at all.

Seems that the liberals don't get it though. They want to blame the whole thing on de-regulation and the free market. The solution in their minds seems to be to pay off the mortgages for those folks that shouldn't have had a mortgage in the first place. It continues in the policy of taking from someone and giving to someone else with the recipient and the liberal establishment getting shielded from consequences of bad choices in the process.

DE-REGULATION HAD NOTHING TO DO
WITH IT--Dimowit regulation making financials carry portfolios with 10% worthless mortgages and loans had everything to do with it.

See the Clinton and Carter Community Redevelopment Acts and 1977 and 1997--engineered by the usual suspects of Barney *I'm not the cuddly purple dinosaur* Frank, Chuck *I see racism everywhere Al Sharpton does* Rangel and Chris *I'm for sale* Dodd.

If you don't want facts, go rant and rave elsewhere.

See: Here's a good website--explains the Community Redevelopment Acts of 1977 and 1997 (Carter and Clinton) on loosening credit for poor risks and demanding fnancials lend up to 10% of their portfolios to deadbeats and crooks, a prescription for financial disaster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=H5tZc8oH-o

Also go to HamNation: Obama on your shoulder.

If you want to have your life dictated by an insecure and inexperienced tyrant-to-be, elect the Big O and enjoy the imprisonment.

And-
At the same time, you have your point of mark to market accounting.

It may be that the Government will buy up too much of the financial sector - but keep in mind that the total capital in that sector according to one sources is some $50 trillion - and the government doesn't have anything like that to spend. Control, yes.

And however this thing winds down (and it's not remotely over), nor is the problem remotely only "subprime loans" as some seem to think, every issue discussed in the article will still exist. And, since this situation will take 4-5 years to work out, the failure to deal with these other issues will guarantee only that the "US" will emerge weakened and less influential internationally. Indeed, even if the system avoids your perspective now, it is still facing similar conditions downstream. We will pay the piper - the only question is when.


We Will Pay the Piper
I certainly understand your concern. However, keep in mind that this event carries far beyond our own shores. Europe and the Chinese are moving in lock step to reject the American "model" of laissez faire capitalism, and increase the regulation of public markets, and of banking. They are also now actively discussing the substitution of a basket of currencies for the dollar. There are many issues which contributed to this current event. Treasury allowed the investment banks to increase their debt to asset ratio from 12.5 to 1 to 30 to one. The Fed offered cheap 1% money to the banks - with the implicit and explicit message to loan it in order to use debt to fuel the economy. In 1994 JP Morgan who had large reserves to offset possible bad debt developed a sort of insurance policy in which a third party would assume the risk of the debt going sour, and in exchange would receive regular payments from the bank, similar to insurance premiums. JPMorgan would then get to remove the risk from its books and free up the reserves. The scheme was called a "credit default swap." Now add the 30 to 1 leverage rule to the credit default swaps, and you had these companies moving paper with few or any assets to back them up. This is a complete perversion of the rules of banking - and had little to do with providing capital for the business community and consumers. Then toss in the facilitators on the consumer end - Freddie, Fannie, Countrywide and all the rest. And while the real estate market inflated rapidly due to far too much money chasing too few properties (supply and demand), the Treasury and the Fed hid their heads in the sand.


Nuke DC
The political class has no desire to cure any crisis. Their sole interest is to play pin the blame on the other side. And we expect them to be able to rescue Wall Street because???


And now pelosi
and her merry band of dimwits wants to put a tax on Wall St in case this doesn't work in 5 years.

The market likes stability, to hang a sword of Damocles over the market that might fall in 5 years is typical dem stupidity. They created this mess and every one of them is posturing about it being republicans fault. bambi and that despicible worm reid having the biggest mouths of all, as usual.

These lowlifes have no shame and need to be run out of town on a rail in Nov.

Redlac
The reason this financial crisis and the proposed bailout is so important is that it is setting us up for nationalization of the financial industry. Once that happens, it is effectively over for the United States of America, because the financial industry provides the lifeblood of capitalism.

If the bailout happens, the government will own a substantial portion of the financial industry's assets, setting a precedent for an ever-increasing role.

The government is already reaching for other types of debt. There is talk of buying up student loans, automobile, and credit card debt. The government will own your debt. What happens when you fail to pay the IRS?

Because of the nationalization of capitalism, capital will disappear and value production will slowly grind to a halt. As good money is thrown after bad in the bailout, wealth is destroyed, causing an economic downward spiral.

A recession will turn into a depression. Bank after bank will collapse. The Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation will collapse, and many retirees will be out of luck. The FDIC will eventually run out of money, or pass its responsibility to pay onto other hapless people and institutions. Confidence in financial institutions will completely collapse, and businesses will not start up. Capital will flee to economically freer countries. The government will take "emergency" measures to save the economy or help "the poor." Quality and quantity of goods and services will plummet, to include that of life-saving products and services.

Within the next three years, we could be looking at a situation in our country in which crisis after crisis which will produce serious discussion of the necessity for a directive like that in Atlas Shrugged which caused a total politico-economo-societal breakdown.

We have to turn this train around now. We need to turn back toward the philosophy of laisse-faire and away from further collectivism.

Video and web links not working
Odd how the links to video's and web pages about Obama and the current mess we are in keep disappearing from the web.

Please link to my blog. http://Jace.blogtownhall.com

I have some very good information that I researched on how this meltdown happened and who the players are.

Ironic
Ironic. This bailout is less than 10% of our actual federal debt, and less than 2% of our total entitlement commitments. And all anyone wants to talk about is the bailout. No wonder we have a problem.

Proper focus
Ignore that silly video that keeps being posted on Townhall by Ken and others. It is part of the problem. While it is true that the CRA, Freddie and Fannie certainly played a significant role setting up the crisis, the crisis was precipitated by government interference in the accounting profession. The SEC mandated that the mark-to-market accounting method be used or continue to be used, even where companies decided to change the holding terms for their assets.

Frankly, I see that video and commentary by Coulter, Malkin, and Boortz as primitive, mindless race-baiting. It is the screeching of people who do not want to make the mental effort to think. Understanding how government interfered in the accounting profession to cause the crisis is harder to understand. Who wants to talk about mark-to-market accounting when you can talk about minorities, Freddies and Fannies and mortgage quotas and Clinton and Obama and campaign contributions? But that is exactly what you should be doing. While repealing the CRA and privatizing the GSEs is certainly the right thing to do, it is far more important in a time of crisis to deal with the precipitating cause, and that is the government mandating accounting methods of private entities.

Abolish goverment interference in the accounting profession, and recession averted, problem solved.

The last resort of a dolt
GW Bush dragged this country into wars it can never win. He manufactured enemies for the military industrial complex and hoped to scare Us the People into signing our civil liberties away- so Uncle Sam could "keep us safe".

He allowed illegals to invade our country and make a mockery of our laws... while sucking us taxpayers dry, as do the other categories of low-IQ deadweight whom the GOP's "anti-racist" pandering favors.

Bush let rip on Federal spending: the State grew faster on his watch than under any prez since LBJ, and he proposed programs which cost even more such as NCLB, while leaving the deficit to take care of itself.

Now he wants to conclude his gruesome eight RINO years as a betrayer of all that true Constitutional conservatism stands for, by nationalizing housing and banking while making sure his rich buddies and GOP donors come out even or better.

This guy is a socialist in capitalist clothes. Socialism for the rich, like communism for the apparatchiki in the old USSR.

Bush was advised by neocons, the direct descendants of Trotskyites. He uses war ("the health of the State", as Randolph Bourne said) to corral us and silence dissent. Then when that threat falls flat, he uses the risk of economic meltdown, largely created by his own actions and inactions, to scare us into obedience.

We are asked to pay for our own impoverishment and the salvation of billionaires. Hank paulson, ex-Goldman Sachs, was to have plenipotentioary powers. Congressional oversight of $700B of our money was another luxury our democracy could not afford.

Bob Barr for POTUS, and the beginnings of a return to true American individualism. Impeach Bush and bring the rest of the New World Order usurers and traitors to book.

lowawoman
Here's the address that shows how the Comm. Redevel. Acts of 1977 and 1997 (Carter and Clinton) loosened credit requirements and forced banks to lend to bad credit risks up to 10% of their portfolios.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=H5tZc8oH-o

Seeing is believing.

And one more thing
According to the Vomit it is all the fault of greedy Wall Street and Republican deregulation. So we can expect this as the talking point of all the sock puppets today.

BTW
One other thing they said this morning is that not only have they limited golden parachutes but they made it retroactive.

Now that is one I have to see because it hits two separate parts of the Consitution. Firtst they will be making an expost-facto law and second this will involve a potential corruption of blood.

Its Here
Well supposedly they have a deal on the Bail Out. Early indications on the deal in the ‘Net is that the ACORN stuff, the Reid poison pills on energy, and the union members on the board had been removed.

That being said, Stuart Varney was just on Fox and said, at least, the ACORN stuff was still in the bill. Nobody outside of congress knows for sure because we still do not have a draft. The claim that a copy will be available to the public before voting.

Here’s the rub, the say they will vote on this in Congress by Wednesday but haven’t said when the draft will be available.

Not To Worry
Within a few weeks after the bugs have been worked out of this stupid cranial exercise things will get back to normal. Demos will be hitting up industry for more political gifts and industry will be hitting up the politicians for more gifts. ACORN will continue to spend taxpayers' money to sign up militants, illegals, and black supremists. Why is Congress and the presidents giving money to organizations to get out the vote. If people do not have the interest in voting, that choice is theirs. People who have no interest in voting should not vote -- it means that they are too ignorant, lazy or do not care. Take that! Constitutional?

We've bailed out Chrysler, NYC,
the Savings and Loan industry, all of Europe during WW II, and managed to survive ok.

The problem with this bail out is it is directly Cong.'s fault to start.

Cong. should codify into law never backing any entities with taxpayer money again, save the FDIC insurance.

The WSJ warned of Fred/Fan's imminent dangers for many years. The paper says now the next crisis is studenrs loans, another gov't-backed boondoggle where no one repays their debt.

These gov't guarantees are anti-capitalistic and ANYONE can see around the world that socialism ALWAYS crashes.

Pain 2
Americans, free market,and capitalism did not corrupt the market,the government did. This ideology of socialism pushed by liberals is the sickness. The free market was pressured by government to give loans to persons unable to secure loans the correct and prudent way.Banks were threatened by government to continue this foolish practice or they might as well pack it up. The government would make sure they would not be able to business at all. I would say the government put them under duress. There for the contract between them and the government should be null and void. The persons responsible for the strong arm tactics should be criminally liable. this is the cure when this is begun the we can give out the pain relievers. Name them,investigate them,charge them,put them on trial,and jail the guilty. Give the markets help by all means! Just don't let the criminals be in charge of the relief. Americans have had ENOUGH of this BS. The very rats who put us in this mess are the ones who say they will "save" us. The fog and mirrors are not working anymore. Real Americans are saying " give us liberty or give us death". NOT give me a house because I can't get one on my own. Freedom is the right to succeed or fail on my own
WITHOUT government intervention either way. WE WANT THAT BACK! There are plenty of socialist country s if you want that form of government chose one you still have the freedom to leave America. Do not take my freedoms away for your ideology s.

Pain 1
Pain is a teacher. Without pain we would learn absolutely nothing. When you feel pain you stop what you are doing that causes the pain.
The pain is a symptom that induces you to find the cause. If you treat the symptom and ignore the cause there is absolutely no chance for a cure.would you just take pain killers and ignore the infection? If you did you could lose a limb or even your life.
The government wants to take away the pain with this bailout. I want them to cure it!The cause of this infection is in the video ken posted. If the government would take the cure I would go along with the pain killers for a limited time.If not then freedom dies.

Try this video ...
Just because you should know where the crud got started ... watch this video. Use the pause button when you need it runs fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
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