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Sunday, June 08, 2008
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama and his Labels
by Steve Chapman
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I was just getting used to the idea that Barack Obama is an America-hating left-winger bent on socialism and surrender. Then along comes Ralph Nader, who says the problem with Obama is that he's an obedient steward of the status quo, doing the bidding of greedy corporations. Naderites, conservatives and many others agree he's a menace. They just can't agree on why.

Obama has said, in reference to his broad appeal, "I am like a Rorschach test" -- meaning that his admirers have a knack for seeing in him exactly what they want to find. But the inkblots work the other way, too: People who dislike him have detected a multitude of reasons to justify their animus.

To Hillary Clinton's supporters, he was always a dreamy innocent who would be ground up by the Republican attack machine. To some critics, he's a sleazy Chicago pol. When he ran for Congress against a black incumbent, he lost because some voters thought he was too white. In some primary states this year, some voters thought he was, well, not too white.

By the time this campaign is over, he'll be called everything but a child of God. Some of it will be true, some of it will be false and much of it won't matter.

One of the favorite Republican themes will be labeling him the most liberal senator, as ranked by the National Journal. Now, it's true that Obama -- how to put it? -- votes eerily like a Democrat. But it's hard to believe he's really more liberal than Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders.

By more comprehensive measures, he's not. According to one scholarly analysis of all non-unanimous votes, Obama is only the 10th most liberal senator. Still, there is no doubt he's a liberal of one shade or another. If he's elected, you should not expect a reduction in taxes, spending, regulation, federal power or Birkenstock sales.

Obama insists his views are more complicated than simple labels convey. But while McCain has often defied his own party's orthodoxy, Obama has declined to do so.

As liberals go, however, opponents of Big Government could do worse. On economic matters, like the mortgage crisis, he's more respectful of property rights and free markets than, say, Clinton. His health care plan rankles many liberals because it doesn't force everyone to buy insurance.

While Obama has criticized various free-trade agreements, he's also written that in today's world, "it's hard to even imagine, much less enforce, an effective regime of protectionism."

Some of the positions that get him tagged as liberal confound traditional categories. Among the members of Congress who share his support for withdrawal from Iraq are Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who favors dismantling most of the federal government, and Democratic Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia, who was secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan.

These days, 20 percent of Republicans say we should bring the bulk of our troops home within a year. They can attest that opposing the war doesn't make you a liberal any more than eating nuts makes you a squirrel.

That's one reason the liberal label may not be quite the ball and chain Republicans hope. If "liberal" is taken to connote gay marriage, socialized medicine and unilateral disarmament, most people won't find it appealing. But Obama does not espouse those. If it is taken to mean trying something different from the last seven years -- or offering a plausible alternative to war, inflation and a housing bust -- they will be receptive.

Back in 1980, everyone knew Ronald Reagan was too conservative to win. But when non-conservatives were presented with a conservative who was likable, temperate and occasionally eloquent, many of them found they could vote for him. What Obama has going for him, more than anything, is a quality of calm and thoughtful gravity, which offers a refreshing contrast to President Bush's inarticulate defensiveness and McCain's stubborn pugnacity.

I disagree with Obama's positions more often than not, but reducing a political leader to the sum of his positions is like judging the value of an artwork by adding up the cost of the canvas and paint. Obama didn't get where he is by being a liberal like any other. He got there by being a liberal like no other.

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Obama and his labels
I thought this was Townhall.com, not Newsweek.com.

Qbama and his labels
Obama did not get where he is by being a liberal like no other, he got there by being a liberal, any liberal, other than Hillary Clinton. And he didn't even get majority of votes, funny how history repeats itself.

Gawd! please get rid of this buffoon
He has no business on TownHall with his Marxist loving views. Once again another useful idiot that falls all over himself with another nuanced, "hard to define" democrat presidential candidate who is nothing more than a power hungry Marxist. What's so nuanced about that?

Gestell
I know vewry well that neither Obama, nor any politician, would fart in an airlock. That wouldd mean they'd have to endure their own stink. They always exclude themselves from the negative results they inflict on lesser beings.

Stefano #2
Oops. Flagged you by mistake, trying to get to the rest of the comments. Sorry

Reply to Gestell
You will have to help me out a little. I just hurriedly looked through two of Milton Friedman's books "Capitalism and Freedom" and "Free to Choose" and can find nothing that was contrary to his constant theme that political freedom was dependent on economic freedom. Let me know where his said that Government equals Socialism.

The Supreme Court currently has four heterosexuals, four perverts and one transvestite, hardly a conservative, Constitution respecting majority.

Gestell- Obama Can't Do Much
You really need to preach that sermon to all the Bush Haters. You are right though- We went to War in Iraq with Congressional Votes-- We are not drilling for Oil- because of Congressional Vote--Bottom Line- whoever controls Congress and whoever is President-determines how our Country is run- Judges that give child molestors probation, judges that give famous people rehab- while others convicted for the same crime- prison sentences, live birth abortion, taxes on everyone and everything. When Obama says he is going after the Big companies and going to tax them for price gouging--Guess what?? They will just pass that expense right down to us the consumers. My personal belief is that our economy has been hijacked. You don't recovery from 9/11 and have a robust economy for 7 and a half years, then right at election time- everything goes down the tubes and it is all Bush's fault!! I thought you said the President has other people to answer to- or was that just for Obama??

Labels
Forget about all the labels. They mean nothing. If you want to know the REAL Obama, look no further than Trinity United Church. One cannot be a member of a church for 20 years and not agree with the preachings of the pastor, someone he called his personal mentor. Just remember all the dancing, cheering members of the congregation when Reverend Wright was spewing his anti-American hate speech. When you listen to Wright, you see President Obama, and that is VERY scary.

I got news for the Bush haters
You've had under 5% unemployment. You've had low interst and low inflation. Bush cannot change the business cycle that tends to ebb at the end of each decade any more than he can change the tides.

The stock market which is at monstrous historical highs is invested in by 100,000,000 Americans, much through retirement plans.

70% own their own homes, and even the current housing crisis won't change that figure as many homes in distress and foreclosure are also 2nd homes and speculative buying.

We haven't had another terrorist attack on the mainland, and if you think that doesn't mean much, just consider how fast you would blame Bush if we were struck.

Iraq should turn into another Ger. and Japan after WW II, as it's GNP was 6% last year, and it is shipping more oil now than pre-2003 and Saddam's fall. If semi-successful, a dem. in the center of the Middle East that is an ally is an incredible achievement. After all, Truman had a 22% popularity in 1952 and now people want to put him on Mr. Rushmore.

As to Obama, for a guy who thinks KY is a 1000 miles from IL, thinks he's visited 57 states (if Bush had said that, Letterman and leno would lead with it every night until the election), calls professional woman *honey* and *sweety*(just think if McCain called Cokie Roberts *darling*), and can't speak without notes, I think he'll win the same electoral votes McGovern did: MA, DC, and Guam.

And Obama makes McGovern look like Ron Paul.

Now that a black man
has reached the pinnacle of politics, can we finally part with Affirmative Action and require blacks to compete like everyone else? No more free rides. Are blacks inferior? As long as they need Affirmative Action to give them an advantage no one else has, I will continue to say they are inferior. I will not give them credit for their "achievements" until they compete on an even field.

I can see the Townhall moderator getting all upset at this post. Expect the new look, PC Townhall to erase this message.

reply to Lakewood Bob
I guess conservatives really are capable of thinking that an Obama victory and Democratic control of Congress mean that the US is headed down the path to socialism. Of course, to conservatives, as Milton Friedman made clear, all government equals socialism, so unless you want to become anarchists, I guess you're just going to have to suffer under the dictatorial regime American will have if the Democrats win in the fall. Don't forget; you guys still control the Supreme Court. Of course, I just forgot--there's no point in saying anything realistic or true about our institutional setup. All you conservativse have is your ability to tell scary stories as you huddle under the blanket at the campfire. Shine that flashlight into your own face and pretend you're a vampire.

Plato
SHAZAM you two (Gestell and SteveL)you are so enlightened that you remind me of Plato's observation that "Opinion is the medium between Knowledge and Ignorance." Your opinions, however, appear to be much closer to ignorance.

If the Democrats should win the Presidency and have a majority in the House and Senate, we will definitely be back on the Road to Serfdom. Read F.A.Hayek so you might understand!!

reply to SteveL
I don't think a Democratic victory this fall is at all a foregone conclusion. The Republicans haven't really stoked up their attack machine against Obama. By the time you guys are through with him, voters will know he's a Muslim racist fanatic big-government, terrorist-loving, America-hating Harvard elitist snob who wants to abort every baby in the land, married a nutcase traitor, and probably kicks his dog and farts in airlocks if given the chance. *

A lot of those blue-collar Hillary voters will just cross the line and vote for McCain the war-hero, not raelizing they've opted for the 3rd Bush term.

Do I think McCain can win? Absolutely, and I'm betting that real Republican strategists know just what to do against him. Right now I'd bet both sides of the presidential race. Time will tell if that's a good idea.

*Farting in airlocks is a vice once attributed to Klingons in an old reader's guide to "Star Trek."

The problem conservatives have
is that they've convinced themselves that all they have to do to win the election is to "label" Obama properly. And the average American doesn't give a rat's rear end about the label that you attempt to pin on him. Americans usualy vote by the way they feel the country is going. If the past eight years had been unequivocally good, the party that held the White House would continue to hold it - with Gore being a notable exception (and not without a bit of controversy).

But by and large, the feeling that the past eight years have been a bed of roses has been rapidly evaporating away. And the GOP will not be rewarded by engaging in fear-mongering and labeling. So continue writing your parodies and blogs and keep the Hussein name-calling going! But the GOP will come up empty in November, barring some monumental change in the economic condition of the country.

BHO Manifesto
What we can drive, how much we can eat, and where to set our thermostats. The BHO cabinet: Ayers, Rezko, Wright, and his malcontent wife Michelle. 8500+ per household in taxes. BHO the terrorists friend! The UnDemocrats did a great job along with the mainstream media picking BHO.

for jerabaub
Jerabaub writes: "Koolaid drinkers simply are incapable of laying even a smidgen of blame on G.W. or the GOP congress."

What did you expect? Bush is still the standard-bearer of the GOP. The GOP cannot formally break with him. For better or worse, they are stuck with him till January.

It's beginning to look like the Dems will win this election. The GOP can begin to pull itself together and repair its brand, once Bush is out of office and they don't have to twist themselves into pretzels defending Bush anymore.

Obama can't do much
Conservatives obsess about Obama, imagining him with powers far beyond those of any president in American history. Of course, the reason for this is to frighten each other into voting against him in the election, so this is no more than politics as usual. However, I think some conservatives truly believe that Obama, if elected, will somehow be able to rule as if he had more power than any Roman emperor.

Well, the American presidency isn't like that. In the real world, no president gets anywhere unless he can work with people, including many people with whom he may disagree fundamentally on lots of issues. A president cannot simply command even members of his own party in Congress. Members of Congress have to satisfy their constituents and supporters to stay in office, or to be at all effective when they hold office. Even allowing for the fact that any president surrounds himself, to a certain extent, with yes-men, there are enough layers and levels of advisers around a president so at least some critical input will be available.

Just remember Truman's comment shortly before Eisenhower was inaugurated. It went something like "Poor Ike! He's going to sit behind that desk and say 'Do this,' and "Do that," and nothing will happen!" Obama will discover that at least some of his most ambitious ideas will have to scratch and won't even get into the gate. That's the kind of system the founders created, but today's conservatives seem to know very little about the reality of government, preferring to hide under a blanket and tell scary stories to each other. Pathetic.

Obama never said he was a Republican
All through this contest Obama has been attacked for being a liberal. Well, guess what Conservatives, Obama is a liberal and he never changed his message or tone the way Hillary did. Obama came into this contest a Democrat and won the nomination as a Democrat. Hillary came into this contest sounding like a Democrat and left sounding like a Republican until her speech on Saturday when she HAD to endorse Obama for her political career. It's true, Obama has been given labels left and right not because of what the people wanted him to be in their eyes. Obama was given labels to disgrace and label him everything from a racist to anti American. Labels have to have something to do with the issue. Take for instance the tapes of Reverend Wright. Obama was given labels like racist, anti American, Marxist, Muslim, and Manchurian candidate. When labels like these are pulled out of thin air with nothing to back it up with other then racial intent, then they have no punch behind them. All the labels that were used to attacked Obama with, were used too early in the contest between Hillary and Obama. Any labels now used to attacked Obama with, would only bore the people to reject McCain because of Obama's attackers.

I know
all I want to know about him.

Abortion..ANYONE who refuses to consider the torture of partial birth abortion is not worthy of being a Senator, never mind President. There is NO legitimate need for this gruesome
torture of a baby. But that's where the big money is made, as Dr Tiller can attest.
Anyone supporting this procedure is no different than the ones who murdered millions of
jews, christians and useless eaters in the death camps. The death camp venue has just changed, it's now within the walls of every local abortuary and in some cases funded by
unwilling American taxpayers as Planned Parenthoods financial records show. I DON'T LIKE paying for the killing of the least of God's children. Don't call yourselves Christians if you vote this ghoul into the White House, NO real Christian has any justification for such a vote.

Chapman on Obama
Nice try, on BSing in increments Mr.Chapman. I used to be a hard-core Democrat then I voted for jimmy Carter. In order to negotiate in good faith you have to have a common ground, some positive code to live by; the president of Iran is a oil soaked viper and Mr. Obama is another willful naive jimmy Carter.

Reply #67 [Anderson659]
charges Obama with "cheer-leading". Hey, George Bush was a cheer-leader through his college days [search the Net for details] and he continues today doing the only thing he learned.

Jim-Too

christian
Obama is not a christian. Obama must hate whites. God does not hate or divide. Obama's mother went to high school & lived on Mercer Island in WA. state & it is a wealthy property area. I doubt she received food stamps in the 1960's? Sydney (his mom)she questioned communism=in favor of it I guess. Obama went to a Indonesia JIHADIST school. What did he do in Pakistan? Obama & his friends must believe in MARXIST & radical MUSLIM. Judge him by character. I don't believe a thing he says & I won't vote for him.I will vote republican & I'm a democrat! If we vote him in then the radical muslims will get in also. Remember, rev.Wright said:I am coming to see u Obama when u win the presidency! Real scary! We are being duped people so WAKE UP!

Obama and his labels
Hey Chapman, seems to me that you have some sort of strange affection for the Marxist hate-America left wing looney. I guess this means you love his hate spewing wife as well. It's hard to understand what a left leaner like you is doing on Townhall. First and foremost, Obama is a liar who has surrounded himself with terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, and anti-American zealots. He is an empty suit zero who, without a teleprompter, says idoitic things like only visiting 57 states with one more left to visit, Alaska and Hawaii, hum! Any first grader knows there's only 50 states.

Hussein Obama, Muslim in sheeps clothing, the single most dangerous person to run for the Oval Office in my lifetime, a true Manchurian Candidate. If he gets anywhere near the White House, kiss this country goodbye. I suggest the author go back to smoking his funny rope!

The Appointment of Obama as President
started in 2004 after the Democrats attempted to steal the election from G.W.Bush. The democrat spin machine started the hate Bush campaign. The enablers in the media took up the chant and for 4 years we heard nothing but Bush is bad, we need change. "Change" then to the democratic party is anything that is not Bush. Nancy Pelosi and Dr Dean have well orchestrated this chorus and it has been sung over and over and over ad nauseum that the general population has taken up the refrain.

Therefore all the Democrats wanted in a candidate was someone who would do whatever they tell him or her to do, thusly they could not have a CLINTON back in the White House thusly along comes OBAMA and BAM we got ourselves a PUPPET President.

For all the fault we can place at the feet of George W. the one thing we can not fault him on is he says what he means and stubbornly sticks to it even against falling poll numbers. OBAMA on the other hand RUNS away every time he is challenged for a decision he has made.

HE EVEN QUIT HIS CHURCH of 23 yrs because it was not POLITICALLY CORRECT to be a member.

No Guts, No Glory, No sense, just an empty suit with someone's hand up his back telling him what to say and do. Obama the Puppet Prez.

A Spurious Politician
I think this article was supposed to be sent to some leftist website and not TownHall. But that aside, people like Kennedy and Schumer spent years developing their anti-American Marxist policies, but BO outshines them right from the start! As far as being spurious, remember what Theodore Roosevelt said "The most successful politician is he who says what people are thinking most often in the loudest voice."

Leaders Are Nothing more than Scammers
Tonight on Fox News is a special called PORKED. I watched it last weekend. Our leaders that we elect to Congress are not there to represent us- They are there to line their pockets from US. Obama is no different than Tom Delay, Hillary Clinton, and every other political so called leader.When you take money from crooks and use it for political gains-or personal gains- you are a crook yourself. Obama says he wants to unite us- Republican and Democrats- Yet all we hear from him and the Media is nothing but division- The Womens vote, the gay and lesbian vote, the latino vote, the white vote, the pro choice, the global warming vote, african american vote, etc, etc.. All I know is that GAS was a lot cheaper 2 years ago--BEFORE WE GOT NANCY PELOSI AND HARRY REID AND ALL THE OTHER DEMOCRATS. THE REPUBLICANS WERE TOO BUSY LINING THEIR OWN POCKETS WHEN THEY HELD THE HOUSE. We need to hire someone like CLINT EASTWOOD to clean house--If he met with Iran's President he could at least say
" Come on Punk Make My Day" instead of Obama, "Don't bother us I am disarming America"!

WHO'S BUTT BOY IS OBAMA?
Sen. B.O. has problems being questioned and having no cue card to read from, seems to have a weak grasp of history and mathmatics and facts hold no meaning fro this young Messaihah from the left. That's ust fine because the MSM is never going to mention this or McCains name in order to avoid confusuion for the Senator.

Funny how they are helping you to vote and even more funny will be more loss of viewers and readership for this unreliability. Good bye income.

Obama is vulnerable

Having either democrats or republicans in charge of both the Congress and the Presidency is always a disaster. McCain needs to run against our feckless Congress in a big way including the Republican enablers. He has the guts and the knowledge to expose this festering mess of self-serving, cancerous creeps. Obama has already made clear he is part of the problem, so the distinction should not be hard to draw.

OBama
This man is a smooth talking slick as a car salesman....unfortunately he's just that...most car salesmen do not have exact info on all factions of the answers we want on our used car also....LET ALONE HIS INEXPIERENCE ON WORLDLY MATTERS, ESPECIALLY ON THE "57" STATES, CLEAR ENOUGH...?
His associations with some of the worst slime balls known scARES ME ENOUGH , EVEN WITHOUT HIS WIFE'S THESIS ,WHICH WONT BE RELEASED UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTIONS (?) SHOWS SHE IS A "WHITEY" HATER, HIS ASSOCIATION WITH in his FORMIDIABLE YEARS in A JIHADIST SCHOOL, HIS WILLINGNESS TO ASSOCIATE AND MEET WITH CRAZY LOONS IN THE WORLD, EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS MAN MAKES ME SHIVER TO THINK HE HAS ALL OF THE YOUNG WOMEN , AND snake-charmed people swooning ....
me ...i'm puking...!!!

no,
he got 'there' by a media that has simply fallen in love with him. The medium is the massage.

Propaganda is a very, very dangerous deviation in the distribution of information for a nation desiring to remain a democracy and not a fascist state. Read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.

Ask yourself, do you want the media to select our nation's leaders believing, as they do, that they are in touch with 'the will of the people', that they KNOW what we want?


I Got It
I think I figured out the art analogy.

Since Chapman says we aren't to judge on his record, or on the sum of his positions, maybe he really does mean th art analogy.

Just as objective evaluation of art is out of fashion and art is whatever the critics say is art, maybe Mr. Chapman is telling us to leave politics to the "professionals", stop judging candidates and accept that a politician is whatever the pundits tell us he is.

Let me get this straight...
So, since there are conservatives against the war, then Obama's opposition to the war is nt liberal?

And because some group calls him the 10th most liberal and another the most liberal, he is not liberal? Or not your normal liberal?

And his two-faced position on NAFTA makes him somehow better than an honest lefty?

I don't have the space here, but in my blog I argue why this article makes very little sense.

Obama on War I
October 2, 2002, Chicago Wearing a war is not an option pin, Obama called to the crowd," The Iraq war is a dumb war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle, but on politics."

When America was obtaining clear victories on the ground in Iraq, Obama wrote in The Audacity of Hope, "I began to suspect that I might have been wrong [about the war]"

On March 28, 2003, on CNN, Obama claimed, "I absolutely want to make sure that the troops have sufficient support to be able to win."

At the Democratic National Convention that July, 2004, his only mention of the war was, "There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it."

July, 2004 "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster...It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.".

July 26, 2004 "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know." The New York Times

2004 "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought [the war] was such a bad idea was that I didn't have the benefit of U.S. intelligence," The New Yorker


Your first thoughts
were correct.

Obama on Character
“...one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
-- Martin Luther King, Jr., August 28, 1963
===============================================

Everytime someone judges Obama by his nefarious associations - Liberals scream move on to the issues.

Should we not listen to Dr. King and judge Obama by his character or lack thereof?



Retired Geek
You are exactly right about the Marxist methods of gaining control.
Obama seeks something like a dictatorship and expects to attain it ith the assistance of the current goofuses in our Sentate and Congress, who seem all to eager to hand it to him so they can puff their chests and brag about all they did to SAVE the country.
I wish John McCain would pull up his fiesty side and take off the "nice" suit and start really engaging Obama. The "organizers" don't do well when caught off guard. They know power and control tactics, but we've seen Obama stutter and stammer when caught off guard.

The Marxist philosophy is frightening, and the fawning youth cult following are too young to have any knowledge or fear of it. They just don't know that they don't know.

I've seen the "dividers" in action. There's always the victims and a culprit. Organizers Gin up the "victims" and they will follow like blind sheep. And if you don't side with the so called "victims" then you don't care for "the poor". I guess that puts one into the "culprit" category. Result?? Division and
POWER to the organizer.

Rules found in the Marxist Alinskys book "Rules for Radicals"
Look up IAF, Obama, Wright, and you will see the connection.





Of course he is a communist
He is a Democrap, therefore he is a communist. And that was being said LONG before Tom Delay.

Let's hope
She Who Shall Not Be Named continues to run her mouth during the next 5 months, thus showing their true thoughts and feelings about this county and its citizens.

This year
This year our choices for president (yes with a small "p") are choices between bad and worse. BHO is a screaming marxist with a resume' so thin that the word dilletante applies quite well. Chapman, this guy is a flipping disaster, no more no less. That's what I'm calling him , regardless of whether he becomes president or not. To somehow say that someone who is only the 10th most liberal senator is not as bad as it could be is like saying that some natural catastrophe only killed 10,000 people instead of 10,010.

With B. Hussein Obamas proposed funding of 3rd world dictatorships through S.2433 it's likely that "disaster Obama" will get many more than 10,010 killed. Our money will be used to build palaces, buy AK-47s, RPGs, and feed troops who will in turn practice with those weapons on the citizens.

Since that has been the fate of the vast majority of US dollars sent to the third world where's the change Hussein Obama?

jerebaub
Its nice to have some support. I don't always agree with your conclusions, but you get there by applying your brains to your experience. What more can any of us do?

Hot off the presses
new Obama parody. My blog. Just posted! Find your smile. Leave a comment. Thanks.

Obama
Chapman, I don't know where you are coming from. Just the other day, I saw a film of Obama talking about how he would disarm the military. He is a total threat to our country's security with his views.

Retired Geek
Savage 99's insightful comment that a GOP president and a GOP congress existed for much of this decade, yet NOTHING was done on energy independence(8:12 posting on "$10 gasoline"), says it all.

Koolaid drinkers simply are incapable of laying even a smidgen of blame on G.W. or the GOP congress.

Yes, I readily concede the Democrats, overall, are worse than the Republicans on energy.

But Bush has been in power eight years now, and even with a GOP congress for alot of that time, has not fought tooth and nail for energy independence.

Instead, Bush has focused on the disastrous Iraq war.

Well, tens of thousands of Iraqis are in the streets demonstrating against the Bush plan on Iraqi "security" with the Maliki govt. Not only al-Sadr, but al-Sistani, al-Hakim, lots of Sunnis, oppose this longterm Bush-Maliki security scheme.

Regarding your criticism of Obama's observation that "Islam can be compatible with the modern world..a partner with Christian, Jewish, Hind, and Buddhist faiths...", Obama is simply taking a page out of the G.W. Bush playbook when Bush, on NUMEROUS occasions, has declared "Islam to be a great and peaceful religion".

Maybe instead of criticizing Obama, you need to educate Bush(on the evils of Islam).

What is the Obama Marxism?
Marxism in its simplest form is 'Class Warfare'.

What has Obama added to 'Marxism' + black racism.

Obama Marxism is a mixture of 'class warfare' and 'black separatism theology'.

Obama was not nominated for the Democratic candidate in 'spite' of his peculiar brand of Marxism but 'because' of his brand of Marxisim.

Marxists always divide people into groups and then pit those groups against each other.

Obama is the perfect Democrat leader pitting racists against each other - religions against each other - income classes against each other - genders against each other.

The Democrats now have the 'Perfect Obama Storm' to change America into collectivism.

flushed down the toilet
the dollar is sinking.
causing oil to soar.
jobs are exported.
follow the $

at my co., part of the fabrication went to tijuana.

goldman sachs insiders run the treasury dept. bailing out their friends in wall street.
or crashing and cashing out on failed financial? corps.
planned? follow the $

we are invaded by illegal aliens from the south, drawn by promises of nafta jobs in northern mexico machiadora factories (sic)that they couldn't get. planned? follow the $.

mexican trucks swarm california freeways and pemex tankers fill them at strategic locations avoiding gas taxes and higher prices as american trucker park their rigs and walk away.
planned? follow the $

abortion of americans is applauded. amnesty of illegal alien workers is applauded. planned? follow the $

will no candidate talk about real issues?
planned? well you get it.

THE 2 PARTY SYSTEM FLUSHED THE U.S. CITIZEN DOWN THE TOILET.

NOW, WHAT WAS THE IMPORTANT SUBJECT OF CHAPMAN'S COLUMN? INVOKING GOD RONALD 'AMNESTIA' REAGAN'S NAME?
KUMBAYA,
HARVEY
LANCASTER, GREATER AZTLAN
climb the pyramid
dial 1 for english


Quoting Obama
is laughable. He has appeared on both sides of every major issue, depending on time and audience. Any researcher can find a quote to support any viewpoint. For example, he told the Jews in AIPAC The Iranian Guard should be declared a terrorist organization. About a year ago he was one of the few senators who voted against it. He relies on the ignorance of his constituency, their lousy memory if they understood, and their uncritical acceptance when they are aware he is trying to change his spots.

Farrakhan - Wright - Obama
Mentor Wright and his apologists argue that black racism is simply a product of their culture because of past sufferings. Their racism cannot be understood by those outside their culture and therefore is in accord with what is just.

Mentor Wright not only preaches racism he awards racism.
He and his church awarded a life time achievment award to Louis Farrakhan.

Farrakhan is quoted as having said, "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him."

Farrakhan believes "Six-thousand years ago, an evil wizard called Dr. Yacub created the white "race" in a genetic experiment." Whites and blacks do not have the same creator.

Farrakhan boarded a UFO "mother wheel" piloted by 13 youths now orbiting Earth, waiting to destroy the whites and rescue the blacks.

Farrakhan stated that North America will be encapsulated with a "shield" and then the atmosphere will be burned off after the "mother wheel" rescues blacks.

If charged with a crime "such talk" would rule Farrakhan not being competent to stand trial, yet Wright and his congregation applauded and awarded him.

Obama selected Wright as mentor, spiritual guide and sat in his church 23 years.

Obama now says his experience qualifies him for POTUS and has a "vision for change" for America.

Obama and HAMAS
"Islam can be compatible with the modern world. It can be a partner with the Christian & Jewish & Hindu & Buddhist faiths in trying to create a better world." Barak Obama 2008 Democratic Compassion Forum at Messiah College Apr 13, 2008

compatible = capable of existing together in harmony.
Islam is a 700 AD religion and has NO rights for women.

partner = to join as a partner.
Islam and the Jewish religion partners?
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Of all the things Obama has said this is by far the most naive.

Obama thinks Hamas and Iran can become partners with America and Israel?

“At the “World Without Zionism” conference held in Tehran in October 2005, as the crowd chanted “death to Israel, death to America, death to England,” the Iranian President Ahminajead said...with the help of the Almighty, we shall soon experience a world without America and Zionism, notwithstanding those who doubt.”

Obama is talking about negotiating with the madman from Iran who has stated in no uncertain terms that America and Israel will be destroyed im Ahminajeads lifetime?


HAMAS backs Obama
"HAMAS is an acronym for Harakat al-Muqawammah al-Islammiyya. It means Islamic Resistance Movement. The terrorist group is an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood - the same organization that has spawned most fundamentalist Islamic hate groups. The Muslim Brotherhood is a Sunni, Salafist, Islamist, religious movement that originated in Egypt. It seeks the forced imposition of fundamentalist Muslim social, moral, legal, religious, and political mandates on the world."
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Why does HAMAS want Obama for POTUS?

better country
This country would be even a better country if everyone felt they had a vested interest in its success. Right now too many young minority males feel this country is not or will every be for them. The Obama presidency would change a lot of thoses negative attitudes. Just as Michael Jordan inspired tens of thousands to be good basketball players, Obama would encourage a generation of good citizens. The symbolism of a stong black family in the white house whould be worth so much in minority communities. Obama is a good American and would be a great president.

Charlie your #33
was right on the money. My sentiments exactly.

Good luck with the marxist label
I see most of the wing nuts on TH have co-opted the felon Tom Delay's talking point. We all know that Tom always tries to be as outrageous as possible in an attempt to resurrect his failed career.
Obama is a very sensible politician. he is remarkably independent in his thinking, neither republican or democrat.
please join me in supporting the next president of the good old US of A.


Obama is not a liberal
As a conservative, I find this article repugnant. It is a glossy piece that rationalizes the extraordinary "liberal" agenda of Barack Obama. I would however, not call Obama a "liberal," more, a rabid socialist.

When it comes to the realities of serving as the chief executive of the world's leading economy and only true superpower, Barack Obama is a political novice. His stuttering and stammering every time he is "stunned" with a direct question for which he has not been coached is astounding.

The analogy of someone, with, to use the vernacular, such a "thin resume," is like turning the operations of the business over to the mail clerk. That ought to thrill the stock holders to say nothing of making the competition ecstatic.

Obama said #2
Oil companies have high profits.
The cost of gasoline:
Federal pump tax: 18.4 cents per gallon
PA state pump tax: 32 cents per gallon
All federal, state, county, municipal, and school TAXES of all other kinds = 1/3 of the price.
Speculators’ add-0ns: Much of the rest of the price
Foreign nations’ prices: Much of the rest of the price
Oil-tanker ship charges and oil-spill insurance
The cost of the alcohol used to dilute the gasoline
The oil companies’ cost to process oil into gasoline = less than 25 cents per gallon.
The oil companies’ profit: 9 CENTS PER GALLON (2.9%). The oil companies get the large majority of their profit from outside the country, not from the American People.

Barack is accusing the oil companies of price-gouging. BARACK REPRESENTS ALL TAXATION, WHICH IS A FULL THREE-SEVENTHS (43%) – SOON 55% - OF THE TOTAL PRICE.

The price could be greatly reduced by hiring the oil companies to drill, pump, refine, and deliver OUR offshore oil to us. There would be no speculators’ add-ons, no foreign nations’ price, no oil-tanker charges and oil spills. No dilution-with-alcohol cost would give us a full gallon of gasoline.

Repealing all the hundreds or thousands of taxes, and replacing them with ONE TAX AND DONE for each level of government, would alone reduce the price of gas by three-sevenths (43%).

He stands in front of a factory closed for decades and says the company moved out of the country. He doesn’t mention that it was taxed out of business by a Democrat-controlled Congress.


Obama’s pastor Wright was a Muslim. Wright says that he is now a Christian. Radical Muslims don’t allow anyone to leave Islam and live. The Koran says that Muslims may lie under oath to non-Muslims. Wright is alive and well and hateful: Nothing happened to him. Conclusion: Wright and Obama are both radical Muslims.

Obama said #1
Barack Hussein Obama says:

America is the greatest nation in the world. I need your help to change that.

We are in a recession. People need jobs/money/food/ energy.
His solution: Raise taxes and give an extra 845 BILLION DOLLARS to the UN to waste.

We are in a recession. Unemployment is higher than it’s been in years.
His solution: Amnesty for 20 million illegal alien lawbreakers (some robbers, rapists, and murderers), so they can hold jobs needed by Americans Citizens.
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Gasoline costs $3.50 per gallon. It’s actually $3.89 per gallon: You get 9/10 gallon for $3.50.
His solutions: A new tax on the oil companies which will be passed on to us-the-people-who-pay-all-taxes, thereby increasing the price to $4.50 per gallon. At the same time he mandated higher-gas-mileage cars, he mandated gasoline diluted with alcohol which gets less gas mileage. Gasoline explodes to deliver energy; alcohol burns. You will get only 9/10 of a gallon of gasoline for $4.50, so the real price will be $5.00 per gallon under Obama.

Nothing has changed since the 1970’s
Taxes have greatly increased in number and in rates. Carter capped many domestic wells with the tax that Obama now wants to impose on the oil companies.


Dem Repub statistics
Savage99 re:Retired Geek
Interesting statistics. The question arises in my mind, if these votes were taking place during a GOP POTUS and congress, why do we not have these things?
In general, because there were enough dems in congress to keep it from passing through congress.
There was one exception, as I recall, when a repub idiot in the house stopped the ANWR drilling issue that had been attached to the budget bill. The President would have signed it. He said it didn't belong in the budget bill, which is true, but since when has that been a problem for the congress?

Obama on B.A.I.P.A. Pt. 4
During a debate against Keyes in October 2004, Obama stated:

Now, the bill that was put forward was essentially a way of getting around Roe vs. Wade. ... At the federal level, there was a similar bill that passed because it had an amendment saying this does not encroach on Roe vs. Wade. I would have voted for that bill.
This was a lie on two points.

First, there was no such amendment.

Second, both definitions of "born alive" were always identical. The concluding paragraph changed in the federal version. But Obama, as chairman of the committee that vetted Illinois' version in 2003, refused to allow an amendment rendering both concluding paragraphs identical. He also refused to call the bill and killed it.

The federal paragraph (c) actually weakened the pro-abortion position by opening the possibility of giving legal status to preborn children, the opposite of Obama's contention:

Illinois' paragraph (c): A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.
Federal paragraph (c): Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being "born alive" as defined in this section.

At any rate, so what if stopping hospitals and abortion clinics from aborting babies alive and leaving them to die did theoretically "encroach on Roe v. Wade"?

Obama was admitting he supported infanticide if that were true.

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AND THIS IS THE KIND OF GUY SOME OF YOU WANT SITTING IN THE OVAL OFFICE???????

NOT IN MY LIFETIME WILL THIS DEFENDER OF MNURDER SIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE THAT MY TAX DOLLARS SUPPORT!!

Chapman says...
"I disagree with Obama's positions more often than not, but reducing a political leader to the sum of his positions is like judging the value of an artwork by adding up the cost of the canvas and paint. Obama didn't get where he is by being a liberal like any other. He got there by being a liberal like no other."


Your analogy between policitcal positions and artwork is ludicrous.

His positions ARE what makes him liberal.



Obama on B.A.I.P.A. Pt. 3
3. Introducing legislation to stop live aborted babies from being shelved to die was a political maneuver.

During the Benedictine University speech, Obama said, "The bill was unnecessary in Illinois and was introduced for political reasons," according to the Illinois Leader.

2. Sinking Born Alive was about outmaneuvering that political maneuver.

Obama has this quote on his website:

Pam Sutherland … of … Illinois Planned Parenthood … told ABC News, "We worked with him specifically on his strategy. The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on 'partial birth' and 'born alive.' They put these bills out all the time ... because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats. ..."
And the No. 1 reason Obama voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act was:

1. Introducing Born Alive was a ploy to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Obama on B.A.I.P.A. Pt. 2
7. Anyway, doctors don't do that.

Obama told the Chicago Sun-Times in October 2004 he opposed BAIPA because "physicians are already required to use life-saving measures when fetuses are born alive during abortions."

6. Obama apparently read medical charts and saw no proof.

Also, during a speech at Benedictine University in October 2004, Obama said "there was no documentation that hospitals were actually doing what was alleged in testimony presented before him in committee," according to the Illinois Leader.

5. Aborting babies alive and letting them die is a religious issue.

During his U.S. Senate contest against Obama, Alan Keyes famously said:

Christ would not stand idly by while an infant child in that situation died. ... Christ would not vote for Barack Obama, because Barack Obama has voted to behave in a way that it is inconceivable for Christ to have behaved.
Obama has always mischaracterized Keyes' condemnation as a blanket statement against Obama's pro-abortion position, which is untrue. Keyes was pointedly discussing infanticide.

Nevertheless, induced labor abortion, the procedure that sometimes results in babies being aborted alive, must be included as one Obama condones. Obama responded first to Keyes as he recounted in a July 10, 2006, USA Today op ed:

... [W]e live in a pluralistic society, and … I can't impose my religious views on another.

4. Aborting babies alive and letting them die violates no universal principle.

In that USA Today piece, Obama said he reflected on that first answer, decided it was a "typically liberal response," and revised it:

But my opponent's accusations nagged at me. ... If I am opposed to abortion for religious reasons but seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

Obama on B.A.I.P.A.
When the Illinois Legislature was considering a law that would protect infants born alive during abortions, known formally as the Born Alive Infanct Protection Act, Barack Obama was THE SOLE VOTE AGAINST IT.

Below are his reasons, in his own words, for not protecting children who survived the attempts to murder them in their mothers wombs.

10. Babies who survive abortions are not protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution.

Obama, the sole opponent ever to speak against BAIPA, stated on the Illinois Senate floor on March 30, 2001:

I just want to suggest ... that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny.
Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – child, a 9-month-old – child that was delivered to term. …

I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.


9. A ban to stop aborted babies from being shelved to die would be burdensome to mothers.

Before voting "no" for a second time in the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 5, 2002, Obama stated:

What we are doing here is to create one more burden on women, and I can't support that.

8. Aborting babies alive and letting them die is a doctor's prerogative.

An Obama spokesman told the Chicago Tribune in August 2004 that Obama voted against BAIPA because it included provisions that "would have taken away from doctors their professional judgment when a fetus is viable."

Obama does support disarmament
According to a tape he made in 2007, he promised a left-wing pacifist group, Caucus for Priorities, that he would essentially disarm the U.S.

In a 132-word videotaped pledge (still viewable on YouTube), Obama agreed to hollow out the U.S. military by slashing both conventional and nuclear weapons.

"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems..."

The entire story is at ibdeditorials.com

Obama or McCain…”A No-brainer”
“A no-brainer”…yes…however, unfortunately we all have brains, it is just that many never learned to use them. They did not need too, for doing what feels good without thinking is how a liberal society flourishes and leads to its eventual decline.

Obama states the obvious, unity, hope and change which do not need to be said, over and over again. However, Obama reminds me of others throughout history, with their ability to so quietly and enchantingly say one thing and mean and do another; and people will shake their heads in approval of the very things they oppose. What is amazing is they believe they have agreed with him. What is really very scary is that history has also proven time and again; that those willing to agree without questioning are the first to die by the millions.

Obama or McCain…”A No-brainer”
“A no-brainer”…yes…however, unfortunately we all have brains, it is just that many never learned to use them. They did not need too, for doing what feels good without thinking is how a liberal society flourishes and leads to its eventual decline.

Obama states the obvious, unity, hope and change which do not need to be said, over and over again. However, Obama reminds me of others throughout history, with their ability to so quietly and enchantingly say one thing and mean and do another; and people will shake their heads in approval of the very things they oppose. What is amazing is they believe they have agreed with him. What is really very scary is that history has also proven time and again; that those willing to agree without questioning are the first to die by the millions.

LIBERAL LABEL IS INCORRECT
The more accurate label is Marxist. Read his book, read about his youth and early adulthood and it becomes crystal clear how this run-of-the-mill Illinois politician's values & philosophies were so strongly influenced by the Marxist-leaning, radical mentors & friends with whom he regularly associated. Plus, even scarier, he may well still maintain such associations.

Lately, he'll obviously say & do anything to make his way to the White House, similar to how he made his way to the U.S. Senate.

When you consider Mr. Chapman works for the Chicago Tribune, and that he attended the University of Chicago (close to Obama's neighborhood), it helps understand his blurred vision in talking up the Dem. candidate.

Mr. Chapman may not eat nuts, but he nonetheless appears to be a squirrel.

You'd expect to find his column in the Chgo Tribune, but not on Townhall!

The Real BO
Chapman seems to think he has divined who the real BO is, not to liberal or conservative. BO himself doesn't know who he is. He's half white half black. His black father abandons him and he is raised by whites. When it is politically expedient he disses his white grandmother as a typical white racist.

He goes through high school as Barry Obama a racial cipher in Honolulu where being white and not racially mixed is the true minority. He then celebrates the black half while denigrating the white half by entering Harvard as Barack Obama a black.

He has made a career out of black politics as practiced in the south side of Chicago. He attended a black liberation theology church which preaches black victimhood of white America to cheering congregants. He now says he does not believe what the church preaches.

He worked as a community organizer in the ghetto of Chicago to gain funds from government and corporations to further Demo party power. His term as an IL state senator included very shady dealing with Resko and Blackwell.

In short the man did whatever he considered necessay to further his political career. He as no moral compass other than doing what he thinks is good for himself.

He sees himself as a uniter when his whole career has been built on dividing people by race, religion or politics.

b hussein's problem
in his speech last week, lifted in context from a mario cuomo speech given in 1984, bu hussein shows that he must resort to the words of others.

But the idea that he seems to believe he is the second coming is truly beyond belief. This idea that the world will see his coronation as the day mankind and mother nature was saved by his inspired leadership shows a disconnect with reality'

But now we see the hand knock displayed by him and his wife, missus hate. So in addition to running as the black victim, his gestures now tell us he will be the first hip hop president.

I guess his black identity that he found at wright's church continuies to be more important that the simple wearing opf a lapel pin. I guess that's why he brushes things off his shoulder.

B hussein they new name is superficial hypocrite

Hardnox writes: "The right word would be
Marxist." (#13)

Hardnox is SPOT ON!

And for all we know, he could be a "card carrying Marxist."

Having put a great deal of thought into this..... well no not really, ... it's kind of a no brainer!

With John McCain as pres., we may have a fighting chance to recover from whatever the condition our country might be in!

If (God forbid) B. Hussein Obama is elected January 20, 2009 will be the date that will go down in the history books as THE DAY that began the demise of the greatest country in the world!

With Bozo Hussein Obama as pres., we'll be dead in the water, and no recovery possible.

Regardless of the outcome of this election, I will have a clear conscience knowing that I voted for at least possible recovery, and did not help facilitate the demise of my country!

Obama's not THAT bad
20% of Republicans ARE liberal: (Snowe,Collins,Hagel,Chris Shays, Gov. Arnold,etc.).
He doesn't espouse gay marriage, socialized medicine, unilateral disarmament? Let's have a link to those speeches he's made promoting the Sanctity of One Man - One Woman Marriage; The Free Market Solution to High Medical Costs; the build-up of America's military, and the deployment of missile defense systems for our protection.

"He got there by being different." No, not if you look at other Illinois frauds who got there with the backing of corrupt pols, questionable donors (and voters) in a thoroughly corrupt state.

Carol Mosely Braun wasn't the orator he is, and she had been working in Ill. politics longer than he had; but her thievery and dishonesty was blatant. When she got to Washington she kept on keepin' on, so her Presidential run was seen as the joke it was.

This guy has been concealing his true feelings and true aims for a long time.

Please, Mr. Chapman, tell us that was all tongue in cheek.

Key votes used for ranking Obama

Key votes used for ranking Obama as one of the most liberal

Are the following votes liberal or conservative?

NJ-Limit debate on a measure allowing importation of drugs at prices lower than available in the United States. May 3. (63-28; 60 votes required to invoke cloture) L-3

Block individuals from serving on Food and Drug Administration drug advisory panels if they have conflicts of interest. May 9. (47-47) C-3

Require a study of global-warming effects for federal water projects. May 15. (51-42; 60 votes required because of a unanimous consent agreement) C-2

Create a national action plan for reducing oil consumption by 35 percent by 2030. June 12. (63-30) L-2

Establish a Senate Office of Public Integrity to handle ethics complaints against senators. January 18. (27-71) C-1

Require higher-income Medicare beneficiaries to pay higher premiums for prescription drugs in Medicare Part D. March 22. (44-52) L-3

Allow certain immigrants to stay in the United States while renewing their visas. June 6. (41-57) C-2

Require longer rest periods for U.S. troops sent to war. September 19. (56-44; 60 votes required because of a unanimous consent agreement) C-3

Express the sense of Congress that Iraq should be divided into Shiite, Kurdish, and Sunni federal regions. September 26. (75-23; 60 votes required because of a unanimous consent agreement) L-1

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/key-votes-used-fo- ranking-obama-as-one-of-the-most-liberal

Hate to tell everyone, but ....
Hate to tell everyone, but it ain't over until the Fat Lady Sings! That is, until the voters have their say! And who the heck knows what they will say in Novermber vs. what they might have said by now? Not me for sure! And for those "talking heads", Obama supporters, and left Dumbocrats, you really need to wait on his corination - it ain't a done deal yet! Ha!

Retired Geek
Interesting statistics. The question arises in my mind, if these votes were taking place during a GOP POTUS and congress, why do we not have these things?

Preaching to the choir
Y'all folks are perfectly correct. The problem, though, is that conservative values are dis-credited by years of pols elected under the conservative banner who turn out to be CINOs. Posters here are political junkies, aware of what's going on, but the general public is not. As Jerebaub notes, the Bush years have smeared C values beyond repair by talking. Joe Sixpack sees $4 gas and blames Bush and Republicans. He has no idea who his congressmen are, and thinks Nancy Pelosi is that starlet shacked up with Brad Spitt. McCain will not cure this condition, he will make it worse. Obama, even should he be the black hope Chapman implies, can't handle it either, his own party wouldn't let him if he tried. Therefore, my take is that tough times are on the way. Last time this happened was 1929, and 25% of the electorate still votes D because in was an R in office then. Obama will be bad, but so will McCain. but Obama might show the way to climb out. McCain amounts to trying to dig our way out.

Retired Geek
Why stop at $10?

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Keep electing Democrats!

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House Republicans: 97% Supported
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Excellent article by Chapman
I think opponents of Obama will be quite ineffective in castigating him as a(dreaded)liberal, given the sad legacy of SOCALLED conservative governance of the Bush years.

Folks will say almost anything is better than the last eight years, and to make the charge that Obama is the opposite of the "conservative" policies of the current administration may actually be a selling point.

Don't get me wrong. Obama's idiotic tax on Americans to fight global poverty is very troubling, if that is any indication of what he thinks America's role in the world should be.

But let's be real. Bush is squandering well over 15 billion dollars each month in Iraq, and most credible estimates predict the war will easily cost over one trillion(probably even more than two trillion)dollars bedore it is over. Americans may ask why in the hell isn't that money spent here, on our own needs?

Instead, it is spent on folks who by the tens of thousands take to the streets opposing security deals the administration is making with its stooge Maliki government...altho Iraqi top officials do appreciate all those American taxdollars for "reconstruction" they skim off for their personal portfolios.

A poster argued Obama is calling for cancellation of debts of developing nations.

But Bush has already done that with many African nations, and has pleaded with European and Muslim nations to cancel Iraq's debts to them(which leads me to ask did Bush obligate the American taxpayer to assume those debts Iraq owes to the Europeans and other Muslims?).

I would not be the least bit surprised.

Anyway, I have my problems with Obama, but I don't think the charge of his being "liberal" is going to have much traction, given the last seven and one half years.

The right word would be...
Marxist.

See above post by MyOpine.

That would be Marxist by any standard.

Nice candidate that the Dims have! Wow!

The Left's Desire
Liberals have driven conventional religion from within them and seek a savior to fill the hole in their soul that they have created. This has stopped being a political campaign and has become a religious movement. Reality of competency or character are now irrelevant. What will happen to those who see Obama as the Messiah when what he does turns to crap and the entire world is paying for their decision to eschew thought in favor of emotion?

In one word........

Grifter!!

In one word...
Con Artist?

Isn't that two words?

Obama would impoverish America.
We would become a weak 3rd World Nation in a constant state of war, just like other 3rd world Nations of mixed races.
BECAUSE;
Obama is a racist and has already done much to divide America;
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=E97F026 F-20B0-4F54-AC15-1B62D618E87C

Obama has no regard for our Sovereignty and wants to give the United Nations authority to TAX Americans for the purpose of equalizing World Wealth;
http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=11014611&ty pe=CO

Obama is unaware America provides the bulk of U.N. military and deludes himself that he can disband most of our American military and rely on the U.N. Forces to provide American National Defense;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/interventionism_obam astyle.html

Obama seems unaware we are at war and we have also been threatened by dangerous foreign enemies.
He wants to remove our missile defense system and dismantle all of our nuclear deterrent leaving America helpless;
http://www.cnsnews.com/viewpolitics.asp?page=/politics/arch ive/200803/pol20080304d.html

Obama's purpose?
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

Obama thinks he can make treaties with IslamoNazies.
He seems unaware Muhammad himself has set an example for Muslims in regard to honoring treaties;
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/316

Obama has dirty laundry too;
http://www.obamatruth.org

Check out the latest
Obama parody. My blog. Change for fools.

Obama is the infanticide candidate
Nat Hentoff, a liberal once sympathetic to Obama, refuses to vote for him because he is not only pro-abortion to the core, but also supports infanticide http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/hentoff042408.php3 Can't have people being punished with a baby.

But what can you expect from a columnist who belongs on Daily Kos not Townhall!

Obama = Stealth Candidate
So Steve has figured out what Obama stands for, when Obama himself hasn't bothered to explain it to the public. Brilliant!!

Question: Why is this guy writing on the Town Hall site?

Obama in one word: Con Artist
Dear Steve Chapman ~

Apparently you haven't been around much, so let me school you, since you're lost in Obama media rehetoric.

There are 2 basic types of people who fit into the pattern you describe (whatever a person wants him to be or sees him to be):

1. A con artist
2. A sociopath

So Steve, it's not really some mysterious thing, he's one of the above or both of the above, nothing more, nothing less. Stop trying to make Obama into something out of this world. There's a toilet in his home so he's pretty much just a human.

JUST SAY "NO" TO "O"

While You're Celebrating Obama Winning..
Obama's Global Poverty Act S.2433 will commit us to a stealth United Nations-inspired global tax of $845 Billion dollars... that comes to approximately an $8500.00 tax burden for every household in the United States!
Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media wrote:
"[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'"
"The plan passed the House in 2007 'because most members didn't realize what was in it.' Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require.":"The Global Poverty Act would be a giant step toward the [United Nation's] Millennium Goals of global governance and international taxes on Americans."
-- proclaimed in 2000 -- contains plans for additional assaults on your wallet.
Among those goals are:
a "currency transfer tax;"

a "tax on the rental value of land and natural resources";

a "royalty on worldwide fossil energy projection -- oil, natural gas, coal;"

"fees for the commercial use of the oceans, fees for airplane use of the skies, fees for use of the electromagnetic spectrum, fees on foreign exchange transactions, and a tax on the carbon content of fuels."

a "standing peace force;"

a "UN arms register of all small arms and light weapons,"

" peace education... at all levels from preschool through university;"
the "eradication of poverty" through the "redistribution [of] wealth and land,"

cancellation of "the debts of developing countries,"

and "a fair distribution of the earth's resources."

unilateral disarmament
Chapman obviously hasn't read Obama's books in which Obama comes as close proposing "unilateral disarmament" as anyone since Carter. Like most of Obama's admirers Chapman has failed to do his homework.

Obama not so liberal?
Nice to know that Obama is only the 10th most liberal senator. Fact is though that if we elect him we can count on higher personal taxes, higher taxes on capital, higher estate taxes, liberal judicial appointments, socialized health care, loss of the war in Iraq, etc. On the other hand we will have change and hope and audacity and massive quantities of hot air.

Obama the liberal
Unfortunately Mr. Obama may be doing a Bill Clinton to get elected. He may be far more liberal then he lets on. Eloquence with words in front of adoring audiences should not be mistaken for anything other than cheerleading.

Do we know the man? More important, can he be trusted to uphold the values of the country?
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