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Sunday, May 11, 2008
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
by Steve Chapman
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The last couple of months have been springtime in paradise for Republicans: the loveliest of all possible seasons. They have been watching two Democratic presidential candidates in an endless battle to destroy each other -- a process that does not appear to enhance the chance that the eventual nominee will win in November.

A recent Gallup poll shows John McCain leading both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head matchup. All this before Republicans even begin publicizing the worst that can be said about either of two candidates whose alleged defects provide a supremely target-rich environment.

But it's easy to let the individuals involved obscure larger factors that may prove more important. In a hurricane, even handsome, well-built boats can end up underwater. And right now, the GOP looks as though it may be sailing into a perfect storm.

Currently, 69 percent of Americans disapprove of the way President Bush is doing his job. That is the highest disapproval rating since Gallup began polling 70 years ago -- higher than Lyndon Johnson during the Vietnam War, Richard Nixon during Watergate, or Jimmy Carter during the Iran hostage crisis.

Today, notes polling expert Karlyn Bowman of the American Enterprise Institute, more Americans think the country is on the wrong track than at any time since the late 1970s -- which set the stage for the Republican resurgence of 1980, led by Ronald Reagan. The sentiment is even more negative now than it was in 1992, when the GOP lost the White House. Some 63 percent see the Iraq war as a mistake.

Bush's troubles have sent voters fleeing from his party. In 2004, 47 percent of Americans leaned toward the Democratic Party, with 44 percent leaning Republican -- a 3-point difference. Today, it's 51 to 38 in favor of the Democrats -- a gap of 13 percentage points.

To win, McCain will have to pry away a lot of voters who currently find the GOP unappealing. Obama (or Clinton), by contrast, will have only to avoid alienating those who are already favorably inclined to a change.

Issue after issue also promises to hurt Republicans. Among the topics creating the most anxiety are the economy, domestic matters like health care and immigration, and Iraq. Of those, immigration is the only one that might not favor the Democrats.

Richard Norton Smith, a historian who has run the presidential libraries of Republicans Herbert Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan, is pessimistic about the party's prospects. He thinks the correct analogy is not 1988 but 1920 or 1952 -- when an unpopular war and an equally unpopular president spelled doom for the party in the White House. He thinks 2008 is shaping up not only as a narrow defeat for the GOP but a decisive "repudiation."

Many Republicans see Barack Obama as the natural heir of George McGovern -- an antiwar liberal with an avid but narrow base who is perfectly positioned to lose. They are also reminded of Michael Dukakis and his difficulty connecting with white males and working-class voters.

But Smith sees a big difference: In 1988, when Dukakis lost, the outgoing Republican president was popular, with an approval rating above 50 percent. Not so today.

Against trends like this, he strongly doubts that voters will put much weight on factors like Obama's associations with radical preachers or his flag-free lapel. Thanks to the Democratic contest, those matters have been fully aired, without fatal effect, and they are likely to sound stale and irrelevant by November.

In his view, the portents are all ominous for the Republican Party and its nominee. "Why do you think the race started so early? Why do you think turnout has been so high?" he asks. "A desire to put this chapter behind us."

The fallout is already apparent. In recent months, Republicans have lost two special elections to fill seats that had been GOP strongholds. Those shocks prompted former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to warn that come November, his party faces the prospect of "a real disaster."

The bad news for Republicans is that objective factors are conspiring to produce a Democratic victory. The good news? If the Democrats can't win this year, they may never.

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Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
McCain is pure poison

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Primaries serve an important role inasmuch as they're the opportunity for an aspiring politician to connect with and motivate whatever "base" he's going to be bringing into the general election, thereby not only proving to his party that he's the *right* candidate to nominate but also kick-starting the electoral process, motivating potential campaign workers, and bringing the fundraising machinery up into full speed.

Only John Sidney McCain III hasn't done that. At a time in the electoral cycle when he and the RNC *should* be flush with cash (the one greatest single advantage that every Republican since Reagan has been able to bring into such a race), McCain is looking at relatively empty pockets, with not much prospect of repleting the deficit between now and November.

As for the Republican "base"....

Well, "McAmnesty" and "The Manchurian Candidate" just about say it all. The conservatives upon whom the GOP has been counting to volunteer and jump enthusiastically into these campaigns not only hate McCain's guts but are in many cases convinced that electing a (nominal) republican like McCain - with McCain's ineptitudes - would be *WORSE* for the GOP than four years of arrant socialist stupidity under Barack Hussein.

And still McCain is doing *NO* fence-mending (pardon the pun) among the Republican "base."

Bad juju, Bwana.

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Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
I know quite a few lifelong elderly Republican Party members who absolutely swear in no way will they ever cast a vote for John Mc Cain and I am about 99.9 percent sure I feel the same.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
Chapman so nails it in this column. As I've been saying since the whole Wright controversy began, while this could derail him in the primaries where that was the means of dileneating the differences between Clinton and Obama. In the general, the differences will be more substantive issues, making Wright seem like a boxers vs. briefs argument.

But ah...the plot thickens. This whole thing with Wright/Ayres was the character of Obama's chosen associates. Well, news breaks today that the organizer of McCain's convention worked as a lobbyist for the Mynmar regime. You remember them, the most brutal oppressive regime on the planet. The ones who are currently exposing millions to a plague of disease and despair out of rank despotism.

Guess what, McCain may have been facing a storm, as of this weekend it's a cyclone!

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Parasites keep voting for those who promise
them a FREE ride in all things:

HOPE is they wear down the leadership of both parties during every progressive election.

They are very close to having achieved a socialist country.

Obama talks about redistribution of wealth

Now McCain talks about punishing success and rewarding illegals with a free ride to citizenship.

Where is a ROSS PEROT when we need him:
we need a
Jack Welch
a Donald Trump for POTUS

Those who have lived the risk reward and personal responsibility character traits and understand that EVERY SINGLE PERSON creates their own misery index and that EVERY SINGLE PERSON is obligated to meet all of their responsibilities>

Obama clearly is the more dangerous of the two and there are enough PARASITES who will elect him in anticipation of getting a free ride throughout life.

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HOW can McCain, with his years of experience
his sacrifice,
be so DUMB, so niave, so weak.

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B2slim...I'm sure you remember the tax surplus the Bush admin inherited. That surplus was used to fund, in part, Bush's tax cuts. The standard defense for the emphasis on cuts that favor the rich was that they pay more income taxes. Well, the Clinton surplus was a PAYROLL tax surplus. The rich a the lowest contributors to payroll taxes, exempted from all earnings about 100k.

Now that's wealth redistribution.

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Here we go again, Republicans have fallen because of Iraq. When are the pundits and the Republican bosses going to see the light. IF IT WAS IRAQ MCLAME WOULD NOT BE THE NOMINEE! I can not see how it could be any plainer. The Republicans are losing because of people like McLame and Bush who have abandoned their principles in favor of the illusive “swing voter”. To paraphrase an old Benjamin Franklin saying; “Those who seek both liberals and conservatives will get neither”.

Newt is right about one thing, the Republican Party is set for a disaster this fall. The problem is that even with that they fail to see the real reason. Newt himself has signed on to the dark side and I would no longer support him.

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Obama will raise taxes on everybody to fund his socialism and when people start to pay attention he will go down like the Titanic.
I'd like to see any politician run bragging that he'd take 13% of every dollar you earn and give you a 1% return on the money, he'd get clobbered, but that's what payroll taxes do..on everyone and we stand for it while clowns like harry reid brag they killed Bush plan to fix it.

Dems will never fix SS, it has bought them votes for over 70 years which was the plan from day one, anyone with a brain knows it's nothing but a Ponzi scheme that had to fail eventually.

Obama will of course carry the recipient class who ought not be allowed to vote in the 1st place IMO, but there are still enough patriots left that will see Mccain as the only one qualified to lead this country at this unique time in our history and he will destroy obama in Nov.

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Despite my long history of suffort for the RNC, I will not cast a vote favorable to Senator McCain. To do so would be dishonest: I believe his efforts on the 'backroom' negotiations leading to that awful Amnesty bill alone disqualify him from my vote. Add the travesty of McCain - Feingold, and the "lesser of two evils" arguement leads me only revulsion and contempt. If the Republicans have nominated the likes of McCain to be my president, I do not wish any longer to indentify myself as a Republican.

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Steve Chapman. Aka, the Alan Colmes of TH. Thankfully, he appears here on a limited basis. Does give you an insight into the tripe the N.Y. Times, the L.A. Times and the Trib love to run, however.

How sweet for the Democratic Party. No need to set up HQ in N.Y. L.A. or Chi. Town. Anything the Democrats want published the L.A. Times, the N.Y. Times and the Trib. print. No questions asked.

Chapman? Darn good speech writer. The Obama people love the guy.

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Yes, the republicans will most likely lose their ass this November. Had they been listening to their constituency over the last eight years, the RNC wouldn't need to now be in panic mode.
The popularity of both the President and Congress are extremely low. I have a question. When polling, do the polsters ask their subjects why they disapprove? If a person indicates they don't like one part of what the President does, is that then considered general condemnation, or must the individual disapprove more than 50% to meet that qualification?

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
It would be wonderful to think the 69 percent disapproval rating signals outrage over a fake war, irrational fear-mongering and the ravashing of the Bill of Rights.

But it's probably the crashing economy.

Nonetheless, I think Chapman is right. And no cabal of incompetent, unprincipled, profiteering imperialists was ever more deserving of Chapman's perfect wave than Bush and his cronies.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
It would be wonderful to think the 69 percent disapproval rating signals outrage over a fake war, irrational fear-mongering and the ravishing of the Bill of Rights.

But it's probably the crashing economy.

Nonetheless, I think Chapman is right. And no cabal of incompetent, unprincipled, profiteering imperialists was ever more deserving of Chapman's perfect wave than Bush and his cronies.

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DUMP MCAMNESTY NOW BEFORE THE SHIP GOES DOWN!!!

What about all the polls that show MOEbama and hiLARRY seven to 10 points ahead of Curly Jack? And that's before the Swiftboarding starts! If the RNC insists on running neo-con globalist sellouts with their 25+ million invasion by illegal aliens and terrorists, their endless wars, and their sellout trade agreements and record budget deficits, then you will go down to certain defeat and the socialists will take over, in a country that is to the right of center! Nice work, dopes, you will have done the impossible!

Dump McAmnesty, run a true small-government, respect-for-the-Constitution, live-within-the- budget Republican and you will win. How can you say that when 85+% of Americans oppose amnesty, open borders, the SPP, the Amero and the North American Union, "immigration is the only [issue] that might not favor the Democrats"? What bold leadership! NO MORE PRETENDING RNC--WE ARE FED UP! You will play the part of the rats jumping off the sinking ship if you stay with the half-wit McAmnesty.

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And McShame's platform is .......... Just cannot find the words, I'm speechless. Follow the lead of the current president? Bushes are members of the CFR and so is McShame. Open border, "free" trade, commerce irrespective of the results -- what more to ask. Big loss ahead for the Republicans and another lost opportunity by putting a putz in the WH.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
McCain would benefit greatly by displaying alot more distance between G.W. Bush and himself, but he won't do it.

And that will make the election much closer than it ought to be.

Americans identify G.W. Bush(and the GOP heir-apparent)with the Iraq war(which is very unpopular), astronomical gas prices, falling value of U.S. dollar(eroding their standard of living.

And that is just for starters.

Those are the facts.

McCain is deeply handicapped by the legacy of Bush.

But even so, I disagree somewhat with Chapman.

I don't think Chapman understands the depth of resentment white America has for Jeremiah Wright, and for the comments Obama made about Americans clinging to guns and religion.

If 70% of the electorate is white, and McCain gets 60% of that(which is not unreasonable), he has 42%.

Hispanics account for maybe 15% of electorate, If McCain can get 40% of that(again, not unreasonable), add 6% and he is at 48%.

Hispanics thus far have shown little inclination for Obama. They like Hillary, and to a lesser extent, McCain, but not Obama.

With McCain at 48%, if you add Jews, Asians, others(except blacks)he could easily get over 50%.

Remember, Jews are alienated by Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama.

Blacks, 13% of the electorate, will vote 90% Obama.

But that is only 11.7%, or 12% of the electorate.

It depends on how much Obama can win over whites, Hispanics, and to a lesser extent, Jews.

Still, Chapman has written a good article here.

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Iowa PatN writes: McAmnesty... MOEbama... hiLARRY... Curly Jack...

PW: I wonder, does that sort of thing pass for wit in your part of Iowa?

The pathology of folks who fulminate about brown immigrants is palpable. The brown immigrants I know work hard and take care of their families despite meager incomes and living condition.

What's sad is that working-class Americans vent their mean-spirited, venomous, ethnocentric blather on powerless, impoverished immigrants instead of the Ivy League legacies who are running things and stealing them blind.

Tax money spent on illegal immigrants is next to nothing compared to what ends up in the pockets of Bush's warfare programs for his arms merchant and oil-industry cronies.

Someone's standing on your neck, Iowa PatN, but it ain't the immigrants.



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T.C. writes: Steven Chapman,aka, the Alan Combes of TH

PW: Chapman is a principled libertarian, not a Kool-Aid drinking neo-con.

Anyone who thinks Chapman is too far to the left is simply too far to the right himself.

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I'd love to be optimistic, but there have been several October surprises staged by the Republicans over the years (think Reagan manipulating the Iran hostage ending). Then you have millions of voters for whom issues don't matter that much and will be given ample reasons by the RW attack machine to vote against the black man. Still, maybe We Shall Overcome.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
Perry White in Missouri:

Sorry to wake you up. The Three Stooges analogy has been on the internet for months. Even the establishment punditzes use the phrase. The picture at Deesillustration.com is hilarious. Maybe someone can help you find it, and explain it to you.

I don't have to accept anything the two sellout parties try to unload on us. While you're at it, accept your shame, change your name from white, and lobby the government to allow every poor devil from any part of the world to come to Missouri at YOUR expense! By the way, the federal statutes refer to the people you sponsor as "illegal aliens." "Immigrants" are those who obey our laws in order to enter the country.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
Yes McCain is sailing into a storm on the USS Cullander, pride of the republican fleet.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
Whatever, This is the first election that I will hold my nose and vote for McCain. If, for nothing else, the supreme court. If we can nominate one or two more conservatives in the bench, McCain will go down in history as one of the greatest conservative prez. The conservatives have forgiven Bush#2 for every thing he had done because he gave us Roberts and Allito. Give us two more and let the games begin.

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The approval rating of Congress is even lower than President Bush's rating. To me, that signals the voters are angry at politicians in general not particularily at policy (since so many are uninformed). They are angry at the discord and namecalling.

As for McCain, I really dislike him. However, when I think how if president he will move on when his term is over and the supreme court justices he appoints will stay and stay.

Obama has already signaled he wants justices who make law if it helps the poor and downtrodden as he defines them. McCain has said he will appoint justices in the mode of Alito and Roberts.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
Richard Norton Smith assumes high voter turnout is about Bush disapproval.

It could just as easily be explained as enthusiasm over the chance to nominate the "First Woman" or "First Black" candidate.

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Buck & Loco
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While I disagree that McCain will have a real battle winning the election - I am convinced the GOP takes a bath in the House & Senate.

Indeed, the Dems may end up with 60+ Senators.

It will be very difficult for McCain to get confirmation for any Roberts or Alitos if that is the case.

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Yes, this would have been a perfect opportunity for a conservative Republican in the Reagan-Goldwater mold to step up & champion conservative values in this vast bog of failed big-government sitting in the path of a tsunami of totalitarianism.

That opportunity was of course utterly squandered. The machinations of the GOP elite & their pals in the established Left have given us the most treacherous anti-conservative in the lineup, shoved him at us, & snarkily declared here's our candidate, support him or Obama gonna gitcha!

Mack is 180 degrees wrong on at least 4 critical issues, 1 of which he originally put on the table himself. He is unacceptable x 4.

The Iraq war will go on in spite of the election. For all the media yammering, it's just not Vietnam, mainly because no draft. Bush would've been slammed for NOT going had he so chosen; there was no "right" answer. I too doubt it was the war that dogged Bush; I think it was his spinelessness in domestic policy, giving the Dems & Mr. Maverick whatever they wanted.

Mack WILL NOT pick "conservative" judges, esp for a Demmie Senate.

Mack has NO antiterror cred, because he is pro-open borders.

How many elections has the GOP dealt with the base by putting a 12-gauge in their mouth and threatening to pull the trigger if they didn't submit & support the GOP's crappy candidate du jour? This time, they've crossed a critical line by picking an actively hostile party hack.

Go ahead, pull the trigger. The GOP has become dead weight sitting in the way of conservative governance, not the party of conservatism.

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Mclame will never nominate a conservative or originalist judge to begin with. He is already on record as saying both Alito and Roberts were "too conservative".

If elected, he is most likely to "cross the aisle" and nominate another liberal activist posing as a conservative. In short, he'll do whatever teddy wants.

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MCAMNESTY'S PENUMBRA RANGER JUDGES.

I think the posters above are right--even if McAmnesty should win, the House and Senate are likely to be solidly Democrat, so if he wants judges approved of by the Senate he will have to "compromise" on judges like he has for the last eight years. They will not be originalist conservative judges who look to the language of the Constitution, but "mavericks" like McAmnesty, Penumbra Rangers who look to foreign laws and the outer limits of space for ideas, with only the restriction, "what do I feel like doing today?" Activist judges Stevens, O'Conner, and Souter were "Republicans" remember? Also remember that McAmnesty formed the Senate "Gang of 14" which held hostage the Constitutional provision for a majority up-or-down vote (not the Gang's super-majority vote), resulting in the completely unnecessary rejection of several conservative judges. The judicial issue is no reason to vote for McAmnesty--he is a sellout there as well.

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I don't like McCain much as a candidate, though I do respect his military service and admire his character. However, he was not my first, second, third or even fourth choice for GOP candidate. All that being said, I'll hold my nose and vote for him because if I don't, and we get Obama... with a majority Democrat Congress, we might as well just move to Canada and get it over with.

We'll see a doubling of capital gains taxes, a boondoggle of a government health care scheme, and a disastrous foreign policy. On top of that, Obama is so anti-life he voted against legislation to protect infants who survive an abortion and he is anti-2nd amendment. What more motivation do we need to vote for McCain?

I hate to say that I'll be voting in response to fear, but there ya go. I fear a socialist President.

BTW, I agree with the person who posted that the franchise is way too open. It used to be that only people who owned land and were over 35 could vote. That may be too much, but I think only people who pay taxes or have served in the armed forces or in some other capacity - people who have a vested interest in this country by their contributions to it - should have a voice. Maybe I am too cynical or mean, but people who don't feel a sense of ownership for something often don't value it.

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An elistist from Missouri, Perry White joins the Robert and Hal cabal here at TH. I swear they love this place more than conservatives.

TC to PW: I can assure you Chapman's piece was strictly from the Democratic Handbook. Chapman, by the way, totally ignores Obama's problems with the white working class vote. That's not me saying that. Juan Williams cites this very fact in a column published today in the N.Y. Daily News. The "no vote" for Obama showed up among DEMOCRATS in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Concerning the trend of white working class Democrats not voting for Obama, Williams noted that Karl Rove wrote the following:

"Defections like this elect a Republican."

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Shefali
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I'm with you...

I think a person should have to have paid federal income tax in the year prior to a national election be eligible to vote.

In other words, someone who is a "net giver" to the system.

Of course, liberals would be apoplectic over this idea - as the Dems would then become a permanent minority.

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Just wait until the libs start attacking McCain. McCain will at some point be unable to manage his anger and the rest as they say will be history.

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The Republicans will lose big time in November not because of a massive conversion to secularized liberalism but because the Rockefeller Republicans have totally reclaimed control of the Republican Party since Ronald Reagan left office in 1989.

The Rockefeller Republicans never really liked Ronald Reagan. Reagan was a former radio announcer and Hollywood actor who was not born to wealthy parents and was educated in government schools and Eureka College, a small Christian college in Illinois.

Conservatives should have paid close attention when Christie Whitman released a book entitled "It's My Party Too" and regarded it as a manifesto for reestablishing Rockefeller Republicanism.

Coservatives are like elephants. They never forget. They will never accept the idea of voting for the "lesser of two evils".

Most conservatives don't have supersize money and talent and gold and platinum plated degrees from top tier colleges.

Grass roots onservative groups within the Republican Party, suich as United Republicans of CA (UROC), CA Republican Assembly (CRA), and National Federation of Republican Assemblies(NFRA) struggle perpetually to keep their heads above water.

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm?
If anyone wants a Democrat in the White House, there is no need to vote for the imitation--McCain Feingold. There is a real one running--George McGovern Obama. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

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Savage99 says
good morning SJ Doc
and thank you for saying what is on my mind exactly. McCain's lack of maney is a very sincere indicator, standing out from all the cheap hot air, of just what kind of storm he is going to have to deal with. As for me, i might be willing to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, i just can't decide who that might be. Donald Duck is still in the race.

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Chapman writes: Issue after issue also promises to hurt Republicans. Among the topics creating the most anxiety are the economy, domestic matters like health care and immigration, and Iraq. Of those, immigration is the only one that might not favor the Democrats.
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Surely you jest! The only ships that are sailing to disaster this election are the 'dinghies' occupied by voters who have no vote.

IMMIGRATION????? I've been saying for months that if we just had ONE candidate that was CREDIBLE on securing our borders, making English the official language, and cracking down on those who harbor and hire illegals, that candidate would win in a landslide.

WE HAVE NO ONE in this race that gives two hoops and a carload about what the American people want.

I hope they all sink.

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Has McCain pledged to appoint Supremes who will overthrow the McCain Feingold Bipartisan Act to Restrict Freedom of Political Speech? Well, maybe he will someday if he can get the approval of Senator Chappaquiddick. http://www.poorgrandchildren.com

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I saw McCain on O'Reilly and he is setting sail into a storm of his own making. His amnesty stance is again rearing it's ugly head and this by itself will sink his own aspirations. McCain the environmentalist/global warming loon is another bad omen. I thought several months ago that McCain had learned something, I was wrong. McCain is giving away chance. I think I'll just stay home in november.

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From the Socialist Re-Education Camps comes this sort of idiocy

quote:
Reply # 20
Date: May 11, 2008 - 8:30 AM EST
Iowa PatN writes: McAmnesty... MOEbama... hiLARRY... Curly Jack...

PW: I wonder, does that sort of thing pass for wit in your part of Iowa?

The pathology of folks who fulminate about brown immigrants is palpable. The brown immigrants I know work hard and take care of their families despite meager incomes and living condition.

What's sad is that working-class Americans vent their mean-spirited, venomous, ethnocentric blather on powerless, impoverished immigrants instead of the Ivy League legacies who are running things and stealing them blind.
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ts:
Law no longer matters, what the heck!
Its SKIN COLOR is all that matters.

What a moron

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I want to apologize to everyone if my post #39 seemed bitter. (It WAS, of course, but I hate to sound that way)

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I too, thought McCain had learned something when American citizens rebuked his amnesty bill - but evidently not so. He is again pandering to LaRaza and I suppose he thinks straddling the fence, getting the do-gooders and bleeding hearts (who probably don't pay taxes) to vote for him will make up the loss of the conservative voter who will not pull the handle for him. It is a shame that the GOP has fallen so low. There is no leadership - the primaries were a fraud - we had some good candidates, but between the media and the GOP they pushed McCain - set up to take a fall! Unless McCain can get it through his thick head we do not want amnesty in any form - we need illegals to go home and by eliminating sanctuary cities and no jobs - they will leave!Over 9 million citizens have lost jobs to cheap illegal labor - and continuing with open borders our children and grandchildren will be living in a third world/socialist country.

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With his association with the black subculture of self-pity and racist anger and his radical ideas Obama would have a difficult time running against a decent candidate. But we see that McLame's 'chickens have come home to roost'. Groups who normally support Republicans with their donations and enthusiasm are not happy about his candidacy because of his past actions.
Both of these candidate's liabilities will not matter, however. What will matter is that Obama is a bright, positive person who can inspire people and McLame is a funky, nasty old creep with a notoriously bad temper who has betrayed his party again and again and who has no ability to inspire anyone. Obama had a pretty thin resume coming into this but as he hangs the heads of both Clintons on the walls of his hunting lodge one might think that there might be a tough fight ahead for McLame. Also working for Obama is the national delusion that politicians can lower gasoline prices by attacking the oil companies; a moronic fallacy whose results will leave the economy in chaos as similar actions did in 1978. The herd also has it in their minds that raising trade barriers and taxes on investment will magically keep jobs in this country; another disastrous delusion. Obama is a nightmare in policy but his ridiculous ideas play into the national hope that all these problems are Bush's fault and that laying on a few more liberal poultices will bring the fever down. McLame doesnt have the wit or the skill to burst these frothy bubbles so he will lose.

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This is a good piece, only as far as it goes. I have a brother and nephew that served in Iraq, and I'm against the war as it's being fought. Bush has allowed our soldiers to be arrested and stand trial for doing their job, Haditha anyone? And it's not just overseas, Ramos and Campeon anyone? I respect people that fight to win, and Bush hasn't done that very often. Compassionate conservatism meant backing down to the libs at every step. We got Alito and Roberts, only because we screamed and raged at Myers, at the ports deal, at McAmnesty, and who is bringing up the conservative judges stopped dead by the gang of 14, ORGANIZED by Mccain? Still sitting on their thumbs, and McCain claims to support conservative judges? Who's drinking coolaid on this one?

All these analysis has over look something. Just because I hate Obama doesn't mean I'll vote McCain, it means that part of my ballot will be empty, if I bother to vote at all. In both cases, McCain will not get my vote to use against me in amnesty. He can go speak to La Raza all he wants, and hire their goons for his staff. My mind is already made up.

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McCain has flip-flopped on every single issue to accomodate what he thinks Republicans want to hear.

You don't like his positions? Just wait, he'll change them eventually. And change them again.

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For all of us Conservatives that feel disenfranchised by our pitiful candidate and the even more pitiful opponents...why can't we all agree to write in a real conservative?

If we all just voted for Duncan Hunter, (or even Ron Paul at this point) we'd be a lot better off.

When did we lose our voice? How did a guy with less that 30% of the popular vote become the GOP candidate????


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Mrs. Paddy Location: CA
Reply # 48
Date: May 11, 2008 - 11:43 AM EST asks:

"How did a guy with less that 30% of the popular vote become the GOP candidate????"
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Simple, Mrs. Paddy.

The fawning MSM support for the "Maverick" along with the Dem version of "Operation Chaos", crossing over to vote in Republican primaries.

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deathstar Location: WA
Reply # 47
Date: May 11, 2008 - 11:38 AM EST writes:

"McCain has flip-flopped on every single issue to accomodate what he thinks Republicans want to hear. You don't like his positions? Just wait, he'll change them eventually. And change them again."
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You're correct, deathstar.

McCain is the GOP version of flip-flopper John Kerry.

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Primus54

I agree. Unfortunately, I don't think it is 'simple' I think it is scary that the will of the people is being perverted and manipulated by Big Politics/ Big Government and a biased media with an agenda.

I asked on another thread...do you think the founding fathers expected that politics would become BIG POLITICS?

Also, Do you think they expected that 'the rule of law' would become bastardized to be the litigious and mental masturbation exercise that Law in this country has become? And that Lawyers would be our polititians, both writing and prosecuting their directives?

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The GOP created the perfect storm. As I've seen so many posters say over the last year, "I didn't leave the GOP, they left me." It is not Bush's low approval rating that has hurt the GOP, it is the GOP manipulating McCain into position against the will of the base. It is not a about the war either. The GOP will be crushed beyond recongintion in November.

The Democrats are energized, and the Republican party has ailenated its base. Attacking Obama is not going to work this time because the GOP does not present an acceptable alternative. Also, the base is sick and tired of supporting the GOP candidate only because he/she is not a Democrat.

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Mrs. Paddy,

The Founders envisioned part-time legislators from all walks of life, doing their civic duty for a few years, then returning to their roots.

I suspect they envisioned "lawyers" on the Supreme Court, although that is not a requirement.

I don't know if you've ever read the Tom Clancy novel, "Executive Orders", but it deals with an interesting premise on what might happen if a catastrophe befell D.C. and most lawmakers didn't survive.

The new President asked citizens who were not interested in becoming "professional" legislators to run for office.

Good book. Let's pray it doesn't take a catastrophe to right this ship!

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Primus54

You make my point, exactly. The ship is listing badly and I worry that a catastrophe will only make it worse. Guess we'll find out!

What do you think about the two executive orders that Bush has put into place regarding emergency measures to take over all aspects of our nation if we suffer a catastrophic attack?

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jerabaub writes: " McCain would benefit greatly by displaying alot more distance between G.W. Bush and himself, but he won't do it."

He CANNOT do it.

The dilemma for McCain is that the GOP base still likes Bush more than they like him. So he can't beat up on Bush too much or else he alienates his own base.

And the one thing that McCain has been unable to deal with, is to establish a position on the Iraq War that separates him from Bush-Cheney.

I don't honestly see a way out of this.

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Perfect Storm? I have news for all the citizens of the US. Global Warming isn't our problem...government, professional polititians, and the uber-wealthy manipulators are our problem.

We are gonna lose our freedoms (some of which we already have) long before we have to worry about the environment. We won't be here to worry about it if we don't get serious about upholding our Constitution.

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Gotta go. Happy Mother's Day to all you Moms out there.

NO FOOD FOR OIL

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What is the GOP platform?

Leave McCain out of it for a moment. He's not the only Republican running for office. What platform is the GOP running on, as a party? What principles are the congressional and Senate Republicans running on?

Polls show the public is demanding guarantees that they won't lose their health insurance if they lose their job. But no, the GOP doesn't care about that problem.

Polls show the public is worried about collapsing housing prices. But no, the GOP tells homeowners to just suck it up.

Polls show that most of the public thinks the Iraq War was a mistake. But the GOP has nothing new to say on Iraq that Bush didn't say.

Finish this statement: "If the Republicans win the election this year, they promise to the public that they will...." what? Improve health care? Improve education? Fix the economy? Get us out of Iraq? What?

Can the GOP come up with any new and positive ideas that Bush and Cheney didn't hand them on a silver platter?


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Mrs. Paddy

By and large, the President has had such powers through martial law declarations for decades.

I just see these executive orders as further refinement to avoid distracting and frivolous legal challenges in an emergency.

There always has and will always be potential abuses, but the very nature of emergencies runs in contrast to our normal political proceedings, which is slow by design.

No system is perfect, as they are created by imperfect human beings.

IMHO

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I am an independent and I agree that the Republicans are in for a big loss.

I think the Democrats will gain the White House and a veto-proof Senate. Then, given the extreme left-wing views of President Obama, his wife, his pastor and the Democratic leadership in Congress I think we will see something like "The New Deal - Phase: Ultimate" or maybe Stalinist Russia.

Look for a lot more big government programs, higher taxes, more spending and more regulations on business and your personal life.

We are in for a wild, if somewhat scary, ride!




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careful not to respond to Robert...here is a quote from him:

One of the things "Dad" told my First grade teacher..."Robert does not know the no win scenario...he always wins, somehow". I was five.

Just feel sorry for him folks :P

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CKHustler - Re: reply #63

Amen...

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For goodness sake, "the GOP" didn't "manipulate" McCain into position, it was the fact that so many more-conservative candidates split up the conservative vote, and somewhat-liberal McCain appealed to crossovers AND a few people enamored of The McCain Story (POW, that is).

Lots of people are slowly realizing that the Obama family is the hate-America family. I predict Obama will get the hate-America vote and the black vote (a slight overlap there), and a few wide-eyed idiots who buy "change" as a positive platform. Then, even though lots of conservatives might stay home, if McCain gets lots of the rest of America, he may win.

I don't buy that McCain's judicial nominations will be anywhere near as liberal as either Clinton's or Obama's, and that's perhaps the second-most important issue this election. Presidents come and go, but Supreme Court Justices are forever (or does it just seem that way?).

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Opinion poll results depend on how the questions are written and presented and how the people polled are chosen. Most often, the opinion polls quoted are such polls as Gallup and Harris. Most pollsters will survey almost any Tom, Dick, or Harry who happens by or answers a phone call.

By contrast, the Zogby poll words the questions differently AND it polls "likely voters". The results of a Zogby poll are different from the others.

One of the biggest flaws of conservatives is that they don't separate Rockefeller Republican Presidential and Gubernatorial candidates from decent conservatives running for down ticket positions and ballot measures. I, for one, believe conservatives ought to, if they cannot support Senator McCain, vote for decent conservatives running in down ticket races and for good ballot measures.

There is NO law requiring you to donate to the RNC, NRSC, NRCC, or state GOPs. Conservatives ought to donate to individual candidates.

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SteveL,

It does seem to be increasingly true that many Americans actually believe that the federal government can solve all problems, maybe just one more law, one more giveaway, and everything will be perfect.

When the Republican party accepts that premise, that's when there's no difference between the parties. And that's when there's little difference between America and Russia.

And here, as in Russia, the politicians will drive the big cars and eat well; the rest of us, not so good.

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Why the Republican malaise?

I was an unpaid volunteer in Atlanta in the Reagan campaigns for POTUS, and evenalso worked for Daddy Bush, though with an instinctive reluctance that he was a faux/RINO Eastern Republican. I have voted for the more conservative candidate for POTUS for 40 years.

The less intelligent son (Daddy Bush was a Phi Beta Kappa) Presidente Jorge has screwed up royally on 2 key issues that Amnesty John is in sync with-- making a neoCON war on the wrong bad Arabs, and embracing ILLEGAL aliens. These are symptomatic of why conservative Republicans are dispirited. Each blunder cost American taxpayers a FORTUNE with long-term detrimental effects, even as Jorge also grew govt. influence and largess (NCLB and Rx Care for Seniors) and spent $ like a drunken sailor 'Crat. The left-leaning RINO party needs a wakeup call. He has even beaten out Jimma' Carter as most unpopular president-- WOW!

Amnesty John McQuisling has appointed Smilin' Juan Hernandez to be his "Hispanic Outreach" adviser (to coordinate the Reconquista). The myopia of many RINO's on the open border, "'cheap' labor is good" agenda is stunning and flummoxing. It is fool's gold to fathom that these ignorant, indigent with supposed
"conservative social values" would EVER vote as conservatives simply because a minority of established, middle class Hispanics have done so. What, pray tell, is "conservative" about rampant penchants toward serious crimes, drugs, gangs, dropouts, illegitimacies, and social service decimation?!?!

Obama is a socialist in Pied Piper clothing, but the thought of supporting Amnesty John is like bleeding a patient to cure him-- if the body politic survives, it will be a miracle. What a Hobson's Choice! I will sit this dance out until the bad music dies.

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Opinion poll results depend on how the questions are written and presented and how the people polled are chosen. Most often, the opinion polls quoted are such polls as Gallup and Harris. Most pollsters will survey almost any Tom, Dick, or Harry who happens by or answers a phone call.

By contrast, the Zogby poll words the questions differently AND it polls "likely voters". The results of a Zogby poll are different from the others.

One of the biggest flaws of conservatives is that they don't separate Rockefeller Republican Presidential and Gubernatorial candidates from decent conservatives running for down ticket positions and ballot measures. I, for one, believe conservatives ought to, if they cannot support Senator McCain, vote for decent conservatives running in down ticket races and for good ballot measures.

There is NO law requiring you to donate to the RNC, NRSC, NRCC, or state GOPs. Conservatives ought to donate to individual candidates.

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Polly,

McCain will still have to get any SCOTUS nominees confirmed - and that would be difficult in a veto-proof Dem Senate, which is looking more and more likely.

And it is a good thing McCain will likely face Obama and his negatives, because McCain is going to see historically low campaign contributions - the "Moderates" don't send piles of money.

That's just one of the "unintended consequences" he inherits by thumbing his nose at the Reagan conservative base.

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Opinion poll results depend on how the questions are written and presented and how the people polled are chosen. Most often, the opinion polls quoted are such polls as Gallup and Harris. Most pollsters will survey almost any Tom, Dick, or Harry who happens by or answers a phone call.

By contrast, the Zogby poll words the questions differently AND it polls "likely voters". The results of a Zogby poll are different from the others.

One of the biggest flaws of conservatives is that they don't separate Rockefeller Republican Presidential and Gubernatorial candidates from decent conservatives running for down ticket positions and ballot measures. I, for one, believe conservatives ought to, if they cannot support Senator McCain, vote for decent conservatives running in down ticket races and for good ballot measures.

There is NO law requiring you to donate to the RNC, NRSC, NRCC, or state GOPs. Conservatives ought to donate to individual candidates.

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I want to understand why I should vote for McCain (as a conservative) He would get judges less liberal than obama tied up in the senate...
He would fight terror by closing Guantanamo prison...
He would embrace global warming style limits on industry...
He would try using government as a limit on citizens like already has on speach near elections....

And you're worried that Obama may be bad?

If the RNC thinks I'll get in the car and go to a poll for this guy, they (and McCain too, it's his campaign!) will need to come up with a better reason than the ones their trying to tell us.
McCain had better hope Barr isn't on my ballot.

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Obviously many don’t think Sen. McCain passes muster on the conservative meter. I wasn’t aware there was a test. Apparently there is:
http://www.blogthings.com/howliberalorconservativeareyouqu iz/

Here are my scores:

Overall: 80% Conservative, 20% Liberal

Social Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

Personal Responsibility: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal

Fiscal Issues: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

Ethics: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal

Defense and Crime: 100% Conservative, 0% Liberal

Did I score high enough to be a “true” conservative? Am I a “neocon”… a “RINO”…or maybe a “Mclame” supporter? Or God forbid, a moderate!

The significant difference between the two senators is not their positions on issues, or anyone’s relative political scale. The most important divarication is their fundamental mindset…the men themselves.

One man thinks the current administration and traditional America is the root of our problems. He wants to “change” everything I hold dear. And I see and hear liberal nuts chanting his praise. The other man sees the world, and in particular America, basically in the same terms I do. I may not agree with every position, but at least our views of the US are similar.

Don’t judge the candidates by YOUR conservative standards; compare them to each other’s. Next to Sen. Obama, Sen. McCain is more conservative than Reagan.

If you don’t vote Republican in November, like it or not, you are helping the leader of the Daily Kos crowd into the most powerful position in the world.

It is beyond my imagination to think of the consequences...and I don’t want to be the least bit responsible for it.

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Primus54,

I would prefer to see a long, difficult fight for a conservative justice to an easy appointment of a "call it like I feel it" justice.

If Republicans do indeed sit home, there IS a good chance both houses of Congress will have veto-proof majorities. But we've seen what a niggling minority can do (the Dems, prior to their regaining the majority) and perhaps there will be enough tough Republicans to do the same.

Or not.

But sending an obvious Marxist to the White House does NOT improve America's chances.

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One point no one seems to think of is that if Mc Cain wins, the Republican party will feel obligated to go along with and pass his liberal ideas. If.. Obama wins, then we will be the opposing party trying to block his ideas. Like.. open borders, tax hikes, etc. All bets are off if the Democrats totally take control of the House and Senate where they can’t be filibustered.

July 14th Mc Cain meets with La Raza..
His web site: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/6df bbff2-9e17-4dd1-b2a1-87e4287e69fb.htm


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Robert is here! Where's Hal?

Hold up that Obama "Yes We Can" sign, Robert. Robert and Hal are voting for the most far left candidate running for POTUS. The man who will make McCain look more conservative than Rush after six months of taking office. Obama. That's their guy.

Let's see who would come to the White House with Obama. John Edwards? Bet on it. There's a pair. Mr. Surrender No. 2 and Mr. Surrender No. 1. Who else? Maxine Waters? Hey. Why not? Bring all the left wing radicals to help run the show. Of course, that's just a small sample. Michelle will want all the far left, America hating gang around. But what the heck. Who cares. John McCain was defeated. That's all we care about. Right?

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One point no one seems to think of is that if Mc Cain wins, the Republican party will feel obligated to go along with and pass his liberal ideas. If.. Obama wins, then we will be the opposing party trying to block his ideas. Like.. open borders, tax hikes, etc. All bets are off if the Democrats totally take control of the House and Senate where they can’t be filibustered.

July 14th Mc Cain meets with La Raza..
His web site: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/PressReleases/6df bbff2-9e17-4dd1-b2a1-87e4287e69fb.htm


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Robert is currently suffering...leave him be. If you are wondering what he is suffering from...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

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The reason I am going to vote for McCain hinges on the single issue of Supreme Court nominees. He has sworn to nominate only "strict constructionist" candidates. Comrade Obama will reverse recent conservative gains we've made with a vengeance.

Otherwise, I am damn near indifferent.

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ON THE BAND WAGON:
I'm in agreement with the other RR type conservative commenters above. The Reps are headed for a perfect storm of their own making and McCain is the absolute best (ie: he's awful) kind of Rep candidate for bringing about the storm. He drives RR conservatives away like mad and offers little for the supposed indies and moderate Dems to like- in my estimation. If he manages a win in Nov it will be because the Dems managed to lose and not a 'mandate' for McCain or the Rockefeller Reps.

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Let's take a peak at the White House guest list Michelle Obama has been working on. Let's see here. Good old Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee made the list. There's Barbara Boxer. What a sweet gang. I bet they'll be yucking it up, LTFAO over the fact some voters thought McCain was too liberal. It gave Obama the victory. They'll laugh for hours about that. The far left gang pulled it off.

Pretty neat trick, too.

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If all the moderate/conservatives of the independent/GOP voted for John..he'll probably still lose ,my reason for believing this is too long to detail! If he were to choose -------mitt,duncan,tancredo guys that are against Illegal immigration..maybe....??? He better choose someone that is considered more conservative than him....or it's going to be a blow out..all the way thru congress!
elvis

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Dick,

McCain also says he is was a "Reagan Footsoldier". We know that if he ever was, he is no longer. He is the 5th most liberal senator in congress and if you believe he will appoint "strict constructionists" then I have an oil field in Israel to sell you.

I would not be surprised if McCain nominated Hillary to the SCOTUS if he became president. Why? Simple. The senate has an unspoken rule that they replace justices based on the outgoing justice's ideology. When Ruth Bader Ginsburg leaves, then the only nominee worth even considering will be someone like her. Yes, it will be another 'her" and it will be someone to the left of Lenin like her. How many people qualify for such a nomination?

I can think of only one.

Then, the next outgoing justice, likely Stevens, will need to be replaced by some liberal guy. Stevens is the most liberal on the court and so someone just as liberal needs to be nominated. McCain needs to continue to mend fences with the Dems given that h no longer has a conservative base to support him so his obvious choice will be Al Gore.

To McCain, these two nominations will make it easier for him to nominate conservatives should someone like Kennedy or Souter step down.

Of course, I don't see McCain outliving Kennedy or Souter so that's a moot point.

On the upside, SCOTUS
justices don't do a lot of public appearances so a court with Clinton and Gore on would be a good thing for the public discourse.

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Dick,

McCain also says he is was a "Reagan Footsoldier". We know that if he ever was, he is no longer. He is the 5th most liberal senator in congress and if you believe he will appoint "strict constructionists" then I have an oil field in Israel to sell you.

I would not be surprised if McCain nominated Hillary to the SCOTUS if he became president. Why? Simple. The senate has an unspoken rule that they replace justices based on the outgoing justice's ideology. When Ruth Bader Ginsburg leaves, then the only nominee worth even considering will be someone like her. Yes, it will be another 'her" and it will be someone to the left of Lenin like her. How many people qualify for such a nomination?

I can think of only one.

Then, the next outgoing justice, likely Stevens, will need to be replaced by some liberal guy. Stevens is the most liberal on the court and so someone just as liberal needs to be nominated. McCain needs to continue to mend fences with the Dems given that h no longer has a conservative base to support him so his obvious choice will be Al Gore.

To McCain, these two nominations will make it easier for him to nominate conservatives should someone like Kennedy or Souter step down.

Of course, I don't see McCain outliving Kennedy or Souter so that's a moot point.

On the upside, SCOTUS
justices don't do a lot of public appearances so a court with Clinton and Gore on would be a good thing for the public discourse.

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with something even worse than the previous software.

Sorry about the double post but that's what we can now expect from everyone.

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After july 14th...then we will see much that will indicate what to expect in Nov.
My son, armando(very conservative AMERICAN)
can't stand Illegal Immigration,or any demorat!
And he's no john fan..I brought him up RIGHT!
Anyway he said"dad ,look how geo. bush has aged
and mc cain is going to be 72 !"
Millions and millions of first time voters are going to come out of the woods..and be drawn to.... THEIR CANDIDATE--OBAMA! God help us
......... can john be dropped in the convention?
elvis

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Respectfully submitted, here is why I do not support McCain:
McCain-Feingold= 100% Liberal;
McCain-Kennedy Amnesty= 100% Liberal;
McCain-Lieberman Cap & Trade= 100% Liberal;
Gang of 14= 100% wrong;
Against Bush tax cuts= 100% Liberal;
Approached Kerry about being running mate in '04= 100% treacherous;
Justice Alito "Too conservative"= 100% Liberal;
Conservative initiatives by McCain in last 8 years= don't remember any. If you know of any, please advise;
McCain initiatives to reduce size of fed gov't & regulation in last 8 years= zero;
McCain Liberal initiatives in last 8 years= see above;
McCain wild swerves to the right in last 8 years= zero;
McCain going out of his way to suckup to lefties= too numerous to itemize here;
McCain talking conservative talk- some lately;
McCain walking conservtive walk- well you know already;
McCain conservative stock trend= way left for past 8 years- no concrete info that the trend will be reversed since CEO has not changed ,therefore, McCain stock very bad buy if you want a conservative return on investment;

TOTAL: McCain cannot be trusted and a vote for him is voting for an erratic political operative who has shown repeatedly that he likes swerving wildly to the left, not the right.

Conclusion: Rep Party, conservatives and USA deserve better. Three libs still running don't amount to a choice. Vote 3rd party in protest and fight the libs or McCain when in office.

You don't agree. OK, I respect your choice and understand your reasoning. It is going to be bad whomever wins in Nov and I prefer the libs get ALL the blame and not get away with saying it was the Reps/conservtives because Mac was in office.

Conservative brothers and sisters if you know of additions or corrections to the list, I would appreciate hearing them and will give them consideration in my McCain Calculus.

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As long as McCain is upsetting the Conservatives, he still has his appeal to the moderates and independents. If Obama wins the nomination and chances are he will, he's going to have a time keeping the voters who sees McCain as the Maverick and not as the Republican candidate. McCain is not about to spend the whole time on the campaign trail rejecting and disowning President Bush just to convince anyone he's his own man. He's seen what constant rejecting and having your rejections not accepted can do to a campaign. McCain is not about to play that game. The only storm McCain has to worry about are the ground rules that have been laid out already on how to attack Obama. Will McCain remain in control of his campaign, or will he let others tell him how he will run his campaign based on the ground rules already laid out. Hillary lost control of her campaign because of the ground rules she was forced into just to get the white vote. Will McCain be smarter then Hillary in running his own campaign and not letting it get hijacked like Hillary did.

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Please do NOT stay home. You must vote. You do not have to vote for Hillybama or McAmnesty. There are always other parties and people on the ballot. You could write in Joe Oliva. The important votes are for House and Senate seats. Conservatives MUST win seats in the House. The House is where things get done. It was the passage of H.R. 4437, an enforcement bill, in Dec.05 that sparked the illegal alien protest marches and moved this issue to the front burner. It was the Senate that tried to jam amnesty down our throats. The D's that won seats in '06 were conservatives running on enforcement platforms. One of them, Heath Shuler D-NC, introduced the SAVE Act. Call, e-mail, or write your Congressman and urge support of this legislation. Enforcement is what Americans want, not amnesty.

Amnesty is a losing proposition.
I don't think Hillary is stupid enough to step in front of this bus.
McCain is.

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Gawd, is it too much for a lib to have just a smidgeon of common sense. The dems had '08 locked up - if they had elected ANY moderate (by their terms anyway). Instead, they went to the leftest part of their spectrum and drug out 2 unelectables. Look at the last several Presidential elections. The public does not like and will not elect any far-left candidate. Their method of victory (in the Presidential contest) has ALWAYS been, get your left special interest groups locked up early, triangulate the Republicans on their issues. They screwed up this year, as they have several other years. They will learn from this, maybe, and field a more appropriate candidate in the future. BTW, Chappy, the level of dissatisfaction with the direction of the country sky-rocketed with the dem Congress. The internal conservative dis-satisfaction with Bush and the Rep party will be over once the illegal alien situation, earmarks, and run-away gov't spending are addressed - and that is well known within the party and will either be addressed by McCain, or he won't be the nominee in 4 years.

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To: VAPAT. Hey. Who are you addressing with your post? Anyone in particular or just helping as usual to get the word out and keep up morale?

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I DON'T LIKE THE NEW DESIGN DO YOU?

Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike the re-deisgn of the comment page? I wrote to a contact I have at TH, and let him know about this, but I'd like to get your feedback. So, if you don't like what TH has done, please write and let me know how you feel, so I can foward your comments on to TH. Email my at mrmcoupeth@yahoo.com.

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Chapman almost sounds hysterical and, maybe, rightfully so. We are waiting to see if Larry or Curly will be running against Moe. If the GOP had any nominee but McMoe, B Hussein Obama would lose 49 or 50 states.

But do not despair. Remember where you heard this. No matter how sorry Bush is, no matter if we are in a Great-style depression, and no matter if we're getting our butts handed to us in Iraq, Bama Lama Ding Dong will not be POTUS.

reasons for McCain
All right, I asked why I should vote FOR McCain.

And posters have responded with a lot of reasons Obama would be bad. But no reasons why I should think McCain would be good.

(even if he is being honest and nominates good judges, he organized the gang of 14 that stopped good judges. So, his judges won't stand a chance.)

I always vote my conscience, judging candidates by my standards. If they want my vote they have to earn it. I can't be bullied, harassed, maligned into giving it away lightly. Calling me names won't convince me to give up my vote for a person opposed to my views. Besides, isn't that what liberals do, attack their opponents with vitriolic name calling?

Besides, McCain is the one shooting himself in the foot. It's curious that when the conservatives criticize McCain no one says we're misinterpreting his actions, just that we shouldn't be upset. There is a difference, and even if they pretend not to see it, it seems some of us do.

if he cared about the moderates, the swing voters and the conservatives he wouldn't be speaking to La Raza with one of their people on his staff. How many slaps in the face can he come up with? He'd better hope it's a quick election cycle, he seems determined to insult as many conservatives as possible.


TH is having many technical problems....
TH is having many technical problems....

TH is having many technical problems. I noticed comment pages are experiencing numerous issues. It appears that someone on TH is trying to fix the problems. I posted a comment that I thought TH's re-design was done poorly, but I think that after they get the problems fixed things will be back to normal.

Democracy Demise
Isn’t it an old story that democracies, such as the USA, eventually demise due to bankruptcy? Why? Because the voters know who to vote for to get a greater handout from the government. Politicians can’t get into office without lots of voters, so they run as democrats or they probably will not win. When in office they give away the store, which pleases the majority of the voters. There are always more takers than givers in any political system, especially ours; and it keeps getting worse. Just wait until all of the illegals get to vote legally.

Hat, meet hand.
As a 20+ year Republican, I hope the GOP gets their freaking hats handed to them. Enough is enough.

McCain's going to lose . . .
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=anDWekG uCW8E&refer=worldwide

Check this out -- he cannot fool all of the conservatives all of the time -- McCain is losing money and may well lose the election. Personally as of now, unless he chooses Romney, I am voting Obama in Florida. And if he chooses RINO Charlie Crist, I will campaign for Obama actively.

"Read My Lips"
No John McCain.
I will not be complicit in the election of any of the three incompetant and dishonest candidates.
I agree that McCain might hold opinions somewhat better than the other two liberals but that only makes him half as bad.
I don't buy apples that are only half rotten and I will not give my vote to a man I cannot stomach.

Bamaddox
Stick to your guns brother because the end of the world crew will be making their rounds as the election gets closer.

I will keep my money in my pocket this time around because I cannot support McCain. He has cast his lot with the liberal side of the GOP which is his choice for sure. Why a conservative or even a right leaning moderate would support him is not clear to me.



GOP Policies?
SteveL: "Finish this statement: 'If the Republicans win the election this year, they promise to the public that they will....' what? Improve health care? Improve education? Fix the economy? Get us out of Iraq? What?"

Well, I believe McCain has promised to stay in Iraq for a hundred years, as long as American soldiers aren't getting killed. He has omitted to say how long we'll stay WHILE American soldiers are still getting killed, which is something many Americans would like to know. In fact, that is really the more important piece of data.

Newt Gingrich says to promise tax cuts. Oops. That's an old Bush policy.
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/newt_gingrich_wa rns_the_gop_re.html

He also says to cut the Census budget! But I kind of doubt that's going to make up for the money we're bleeding in Iraq that McCain is all for continuing.

Never mind! The promise to make English the official language of America will win huge numbers of voters back to the GOP.

Not.

JimP
The subject line did not work, might be now. It was a plea to everyone to vote for conservative candidates from any party that will secure our borders and enforce our laws, while we still have a country.

Do You Want To Keep Your Country?


We the People of the United States of America have the right to have our borders and our laws respected and enforced.

Citizens of other countries illegally in our country have no right to demand anything from our government. They most certainly have the right to petition the governments of their home countries for change if they are unhappy with their home country. If they want to be Americans, we have a path to citizenship, more generous than any other nation, and it starts in their home country.

We need to insist on the equal protection, application and enforcement of the law or devolve into anarchy. Our Republic only functions if everyone follows the same rules. We should not change the laws to accomodate those breaking them.

If America annouces to the world "We can't stop you, so come on in" with another amnesty, the deluge will be overwhelming. If 3,000 a day didn't get your attention, then wait until it's 10,000 a day. We cannot sustain this influx and survive as a nation. We must speak up and speak to each other about this and not let false claims of racism or bigotry be used to intimidate us into silent assent. America is not Congress' to give away. America belongs to We the People. Speak to your neighbors, speak to your coworkers, but please speak up to your Congressmen and Senators. It's O.K. for us to enforce our laws, no really, it is.

Someone please tell Sen. McCain.

Response to #53, gf
You said, "the base is sick and tired of supporting the GOP candidate only because he/she is not a Democrat."

Unfortunately in this case McCain IS a Democrat.
If ONLY we could stop McCain at the convention and get a real conservative candidate!

I will not vote for any candidate who is for amnesty (and this is McCain, Hillary/Obama.) This is a deal breaker for me regardless of the chance Obama could win (which I am not convinced will happen from listening to libs who are saying they will vote for McCain over Obama.)

mc cain
Hey sj doc: what does badjuju bwana mean ? What languge is that..your not some illegal from some island country, are you? smile.
elvis

not ashamed to be right
The liberal of all liberals, Obama is the dream candidate of libs everywhere including Robert, who I'm afraid is a very ill person. No lib will be voting for McCain as they know he will never back down and allow America to be defeated in Iraq.

Obama's far left agenda for America is nothing short of epic. This is fact. If you think John McCain's agenda would be even remotely close to Obama's, then you are more deluded than even Robert.

mc cain..again
Texas corridor...ripping up Oklahoma...Mexico steam rolling thru? MY gawd would Mc cain go that far?
Like one blogger stated..no mitt-shove it John
gov. Perry(open borders guy) give more of those elvis pills to me!
elvis

J.D., Ph.D.
Acronyms - RINO, CINO - can be thrown around all anyone wants; but unless McCain picks a SOLID conservative, with a TOTAL record of being a conservative, not some political chameleon who changes to fit what is needed to get elected, I will NOT vote for McCain. If he picks a liberal suddenly calling himself a conservative, not only will I vote for Obama, I will put up signs, make phone calls and make donations for Obama.

After the drubbing that the Republican Party and talking heads have given McCain, I would be very surprised if he can win. It seems now that his running mate will only be doing a dress-rehearsal for 2012, if there is even an opportunity, then.

I like Duncan Hunter, for one.

MUDDLED MAVERICK
Each day McCain opens his mouth I am nonplussed at his direct assault upon the senisibilities of the Republican party. This man is intent on losing votes, friends and money and as I understand it you do need all three of those items to win a POTUs race.

Lordluvaduck.....These candidates are smucks

Mc Cain in the storm..
Kimberly, in CT
Cheating? Like trying to not count the military vote? Yea you bet. Or.. the fact that Republicans want voter ID when they vote while the Democrats fight it. I wonder why? You cant get a movie from the rental store with out ID, but not to vote???
Or that Democrats want felons to vote? Pushing for immigrants to get drivers license, why??
There are a lot of those registering to vote Democratic are Republicans. Its pay back time for when the liberals were voting for Mc Cain.
Kim, maybe you noticed that by the time the primaries rolled around to NC, and PA. the Republicans have made their choice. With the exception of messing with the Democrats there was nothing to vote for.
But all in all you seem like a good Democrat, right on top of things. Hey you forgot Halliburton, big oil, and Wal-Mart.



The "new world order"
The NAU and ultimately one world gov. They will need a precipitating event to take down our country. Economic collapse? I think when we go down we will take the world with us.


“Before such a merger can be consummated, and the US becomes just another province in a New World Order, there must at least be the semblance of parity among the senior partners in the deal. How does one make the nations of the world more nearly equal? The insiders determined that a two-prong approach was needed; use American money and know-how to build up your competitors (Wall street financed Russia, now China), while at the same time use every devious strategy you can devise to weaken and impoverish this country. (The plan IS to de-industrialize the US) The goal is not to bankrupt the US...Rather, it is to reduce our productive might, and therefore our standard of living, to the meager subsistence level of the socialized nations of the world.

Notice that the plan is not to bring the standard of living in less developed countries up to our level, but to bring ours down to meet theirs coming up.


We are likely to do better by building our “house of world order” from the bottom up rather then from the top down… an end run around national sovereignty eroding it piece by piece, is likely to get us to world order faster than the old-fashioned frontal assault. Richard Gardner CFR



They have been hard at it and few are paying attention.

FREE TRADE GLOBALISTS ARE BANKING ON NWO
FREE TRADER FREE LOADING GLOBALISTS are banking on the dismantling of our country like a chair with four legs. They slowly take away one leg at a time.

Pieces of the puzzle are the food crisis and the oil crisis which have come about within the last couple of years. Already, we are approaching a 9 trillion dollar national debt and Bush is hoping to get the United States muzzled even more with the CAFTA deal.

Along with the Global population explotion comes famine and water shortages with oil shortages and devaluation of U.S. Currency.

Globalists have set up their Cartels like Nafta, Cafta, WTO, EU for their protection if something goes wrong with their gambles...then the U.S. Government will bail them out. As for Blue Collar workers...no one is speaking up for them. The government calls it a handout to help the man or woman on the corner but free trade to help the multi-corporations.

Already, Iraq is at full capacity with its oil porduction bringing in over 10 billion dollars a month. So, the question is why Bush will not ask the Iraqis to pick up the tab for the Iraqi War. ???

Is McCain Sailing Into a Storm
Based on his past history, my guess is that McCain will fail because of a hurricane he creates for himself by alienating conservatives, causing them to stay home or vote third party.

OUR COUNTRY
IS SAILING INTO A STORM! I hope the conservative wing of the GOP realizes a President Obama will give our country three Supreme Court Associate Justices and dozens of liberal Federal Judges that will enforce THEIR LAWS and 50 years of SOCIALISM upon America.

Plus there will be many, many Muslims entering the mainstream of politics on the Democrat side in Congress and the Senate.

John Mc Ain't !
[Has} anyone else noticed that John Mc Ain't is running as hard as he can against the once great Conservative Ronald Reagan movement Winning by two landslides . The Largest vote differences ever .
I'm feeling like that 92 % of blacks that keep voting for Liberals as their Communities slowly get far worse ..... Liberals take the Black vote fore-granted and so called sissy RePlublicans are taking our Conservatives votes fore-granted as well .
Where 31 % of his possible voters are solidly based . John Mc Ain't is running as a ''Centrist " with leftist lending . I don't get it ? Help me .. Somebody .. Ok Anybody .
We real Ronald Reagan conservatives have many other LAGER QUESTIONS like Mc Ain't wants to close the Terrorist prisons and try them here in our own courts ? Mc Ain't and and far lefty Ted Kennedy sponsored a bill Nationalizing 12-20 illegals they tried to sneak though Congress that Bush would have signed .Even thought Mc Aint's home State of Arizona has been broken economically over Illegals and the thousands of illegal Crimes .

John Mc Ain't PART 2 !

Mc Ain't says No " Harassment " what so ever of a known terrorist that knows ''possibly " where WMD's are at or Nuke weapons about to go off ..... because of the Geneva convention he say's we must abide bye .Mr McAin't , Al Quada ''ain't ''a member and want join or play bye any of the Geneva convention rules . Either did Japan and we see how they treated Prisoners .
One suspects this is a sad rerun of Centrist presidential (50 % Liberal )candidates like Nelson Rockafellow ,Bush 41 a second time , Robert Dole and Jerald Ford all rolled into one .
We see how that turned out for " The RePublican" reported missing in action Party .
Play it again Sam? Yep !
Sam
PS- Voting for McAin't will be even harder than hugging my ex Mother in law and Voting for her as President .
Of course Voting for Oboma would be like hugging Hillary which would be far worse .(grin)



anna
ANNA----Rothchilds!! My gawd! I know about them!
CFR...????? I have asked and asked and nobody has told me what it stands for...?
Well,the book of Revelation talks about a sign on the right hand to be able to buy....
and a friend of mine sent me an e mail about
a computer chip that is taking hold in europe
and headed this way---- it will allow all of your money matters to be stored on this chip for buying,etc. But of course there will be a
main control center that will also have your bank account no.,etc!This will be for our.....
PROTECTION! YEAH! SURE!And guess what! It will go on the right hand just like the bible states!
elvis

elvis
CFR, Council on Foreign Relations.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44 841

"Treasonous agenda of the Council on Foreign Relations" (link to Barry Goldwater's writings on CFR in this article.)

Read the other links.



"Who are some of the past and present members of this anti-American operation? Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Porter Goss, Alan Greenspan, John Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, Gen. Richard B. Myers, Henry Hyde, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, George Bush Sr., Sandra Day O'Connor, George Soros, Christopher Dodd, Diane Feinstein, Gerald Ford, Bill Frist, Newt Gingrich, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Katherine Harris, Teresa Heinz, Antonia Hernandez – President of Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Gen. John P. Jumper – current Air Force chief of staff, Joseph Lieberman, John McCain, Rupert Murdock, David Rockefeller, Diane Sawyer and Tony Snow"

Interesting bedfellow don't you think? Cheney and Soros. It also explains why Jorge brought Tony Snow on board thinking he could get conservatives to go along with amnesty. Snow is for the NAU.

Bush is this wierd combination of stupid and evil. He asks us to cut our own throats and thinks we won't notice we are bleeding to death. Since he doesn't get it, he thinks we don't either. (Turning the trucking industry over to Mexicans is going to create prosperity adn opportunity?)



I like coming to this site but sometimes it's a joke. We endlessly debate issues without addressing the fundamental problem. And as Aslan said the chair is deconstructed one leg at a time.

What's the difference who wins if in either case we end up with no country and without our constitution. They couldn't get the people to vote to ratify the EU constitution so they changed the terms and for just the leaders to vote on it.



fundamental (ist)
Amnesty is just the symptom and globalism/"new world order" is the disease.

If you don't get to the fundamental problem and a correct diagnosis it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic over and over and over again.


I am a fundamentalist. I believe in the fundamental truths of the Bible.

SJ Doc is a fundamentalist. He believes in the fundamental truths of the Constitution.

A strict constructionist is a fundamentalist.

Fundamental isn't a dirty word.



The globalist agenda is well advanced and it may be too late to stop it. I didn't know about the banking piece at first. But it is international bankers/multinational corporations who want the "new world order". Freedom to rape and pillage on a global scale.

It is demonically inspired, whether they know it or not.

“The ten horns of the beast are ten kings who have not yet risen to power. They will be appointed to their kingdoms for one brief moment to reign with the beast. They will all agree to give him their power and authority. Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.” Rev 17 12-14

(EU, NAU,SAU, etc)


Judgement is coming to America. A perfect storm is brewing and whatever it takes to bring down our once great nation is going to be ugly. I am not looking forward to it. We will be told the NAU is the answer and the godless will believe it. Bush has the army ready (Canada's too) to take care of the patriots. (Ready for his successor that is.)





We have all eternity to celebrate our victories, but only a few hours before sunset to win them.
Amy Carmichael






I am guessing Juan supports this bill

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2008/02/ 25/congress_contemplates_giving_cash_to_foreigners

"Republicans allowed a bill that carries his name (Obama), among nine others, to pass the Senate Foreign Relations Committee by voice vote last week - without any hearings. That means there was no roll-call vote so no member can be held accountable. The same bill passed the House by voice vote last year."

Obama's costly, dangerous and altogether bad bill (S. 2433), which could come up in the Senate any day, is called the Global Poverty Act. It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts, which is at least $30 billion over and above the exorbitant and wasted sums we already give away overseas.


The scariest phrase in the bill is "Millennium Development Goal." That refers to the declaration adopted by the United Nations Millennium Assembly and Summit in 2000 (blessed by President Bill Clinton) which called for the "eradication of poverty" by "redistribution (of) wealth and land," cancellation of "the debts of developing countries," and "a fair distribution of the earth's resources" (from the United States to the rest of the world, of course).

Sachs says that the only way to force the United States to commit that much money is by a global tax, such as a tax on fossil fuels. Empowering the United Nations to impose a direct international tax on Americans has been a U.N. goal ever since the 1995 Copenhagen Summit embraced the so-called Tobin Tax.


global poverty act cont.
By adopting the Millennium Goals in 2000, the U.N. escalated its demands to impose international taxes. Specifically, the Millennium called for a "currency transfer tax," a "tax on the rental value of land and natural resources," a "royalty on worldwide fossil energy projection - oil, natural gas, coal," "fees for the commercial use of the oceans, fees for airplane use of the skies, fees for use of the electromagnetic spectrum, fees on foreign exchange transactions, and a tax on the carbon content of fuels."

There is much more to the Millennium Goals than merely extorting more money from U.S. taxpayers. The goals set forth a comprehensive plan to put the United States under U.N. global governance


These goals include a "standing peace force" (i.e., a U.N. standing army), a "U.N. Arms register" of all small arms and light weapons, "peace education" covering "all levels from preschool through university," and "political control of the global economy." The goals call for implementing all U.N. treaties that the United States has never ratified, all of which set up U.N. monitoring committees to compromise U.S. sovereignty.

(political control of the global economy!!! Americans register their guns with the UN??)





some more
"strengthening the United Nations for the 21st century" by "eliminating" the veto and permanent membership in the Security Council. The goal is to reduce U.S. influence to one out of 192 nations, so we would have merely the same vote as To achieve this level of control over U.S. domestic law, the plan calls for Cuba.

The Global Poverty Act would be a giant step toward the Millennium Goals of global governance and international taxes on Americans. Tell your senators to kill this un-American bill.


We need to wake up and smell the coffee

Upcoming GOP disaster
Maybe it will help if McCain and his McCainiacs intensify their attacks on us conservatives. Odd strategy if you ask me. But I guess if you know you are going into a perfect storm you can't survive, why waste a perfectly good boat? On the other hand, if you put enough holes in the boat, it might sink fast enough to avoid the storm altogether. Gives the search party a chance to get to the two or three occupants in time at minimal risk and expense.

McCain is not weighed down by Bush
They are BOTH insufferable. Let's rid ourselves of both. Bring on 2010 and a new conservative contract with America. This time, let's not buy into a subservient role with the GOP. Let's take over the GOP. Or start our own party. Hell, the GOP has shrunk to less than 25% of all registered voters. Conservatives account for over 30%. We would be the second largest political party... at least.

What Comments?
What happened to the comments?

Bush's Approval Ratings
Unfortunately, far too many Americans allow the MSM and their bed mates the demagogues do their thinking for them. The facts are of no concern the either the MSM or the demagogues and the public is inundated daily with such a torrent of disinformation, twisted and distorted facts and out right lies, it is hard for the public to know what to believe, IF they do not take the time to do a bit of honest research themselves.

The MSM has been operating under the premises that if a lie is repeated often enough, people will begin to believe it is the truth. The MSM knows that it has no problem in this effort as most of the members of the MSM belong to the same extreme leftist mindset. Thus, there is no one to challenge their distortions and lies. Therefore, the American public receives in their nightly news only the twisted and distorted "facts" and disinformation the MSM wishes them to see/hear.

Oh, if we only had a requirement of RESPONSIBILITY included in our freedom of the press.
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