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Thursday, April 12, 2007
Steve Chapman :: Townhall.com Columnist
Mistakes to Avoid in the Global Warming Fight
by Steve Chapman
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You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, and the wind is blowing hard in favor of action on climate change. The Bush administration now agrees that human activities are warming the planet, the Supreme Court says the Environmental Protection Agency has violated the law by not regulating auto emissions, and Democrats in Congress are demanding new measures to cut greenhouse gases.

How will we address this new challenge? The most plausible answer is: with a lot of command-and-control programs that micromanage various industries on the assumption that the government knows best. In a word, badly.

Reducing the output of carbon dioxide and other substances that trap the Earth's heat is not cheap. But there are expensive solutions, and there are astronomical ones. Any new policy should aim at getting the greatest reductions for the least money.

That may sound like a hugely complex task for the government, but it's not. The free market is the best system ever created for providing what we want at the lowest possible cost. The way to get affordable amelioration of climate change is to put the market to work finding solutions. To achieve that, we merely need to make energy prices reflect the potential harm done by greenhouse gases.

How? With a carbon tax that assesses fuels according to how much they pollute. Coal, having the highest carbon content, would be taxed the most, followed by oil and natural gas. The higher prices for the most damaging fuels would encourage people and companies to use less of them and more of other types of energy, including nuclear, solar, wind and biofuels. This approach would also affect all sources -- not just cars, which account for only one-fifth of all U.S. carbon dioxide emissions.

A carbon tax, however, has one huge drawback: It's a tax, and neither Republicans nor Democrats want to impose a new tax. They would rather address fossil fuel consumption by boosting auto fuel economy standards, pouring money into alternative fuel research and requiring greater use of ethanol.

Did I say Republicans and Democrats don't want to impose a tax? I lied. The truth is they don't want to impose a visible tax. All the subsidies, rules and mandates you hear about don't come free, but you pay for them without realizing it -- and without realizing whom to blame.

Government programs to reduce greenhouse gases are a recipe for waste and abuse. Federal "investment" in alternative fuels? That idea got a full tryout during the energy crisis of the 1970s, with meager results. Tax breaks for ethanol? Largely self-defeating, since they encourage farmers to burn fossil fuels to expand production of corn.

The government's fuel economy standards also haven't done much to promote conservation. On average, new vehicles get lower mileage today than they did 20 years ago, thanks to the proliferation of large trucks and SUVs.

The Supreme Court decision precipitated a clamor for stricter mileage rules, which happen to a supremely clumsy answer. The only people immediately affected by higher fuel economy standards are those who buy new vehicles. Other motorists will keep driving their gas-guzzling cars and trucks for years to come, blissfully spared any incentive to conserve. A carbon tax, by contrast, would spur faster progress by raising the cost of driving to everyone.

It also has the advantage of keeping the government role as small as possible. When the government gets directly involved in controlling energy use -- by fiddling with mileage rules, handing out grants and tax incentives, and underwriting particular energy sources -- it invites boondoggles and special-interest gimmicks that benefit politicians without doing much to temper climate change. We'll all be better off if Washington merely levies a tax and gets out of the way, leaving producers and consumers to search out the cheapest means of minimizing emissions.

Of course, no one wants to pay more in taxes. Here's the good news: We don't have to. Some economists propose that carbon tax revenues be used to finance equal cuts in income and payroll taxes. That way, we'd get environmental improvements and a lighter load on companies and workers. Meanwhile, the total tax burden on the economy would be unchanged.

The campaign against global warming promises to be costly and uncomfortable under the best of policies. But if we let it become an excuse for bureaucrats and busybodies to meddle needlessly in our lives, it promises to be even worse, for us and the planet.

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Mistakes to Avoid in the Global Warming
If we do concede that rising carbon levels are due to man-made global warming (which is still open to question) Steve's way of dealing with this through higher taxes on carbon-based fuels is better than imposing additional regulations (including higher CAFE standards on vehicle fleets and addtional environmental regulations)as the additional regulations are an indirect cost which will not do much to affect consumption. As long as the higher taxes on carbon fuels are offset with lower tax rates for other types of taxes to produce revenue neutrality rather than a windfall for state and national governments, the higher taxes will have the desired effect. Especially if CAFE standards are raised, although gas prices are increased, the real cost of gas may actually go down as the cars subject to the newer standards can go longer between fillups, which would only encourage more gas consumption.

NEConservative
meant to add, check my blog for the Moonbat Award of the Week.

GW idiots protesting about carbon, etc, in a snowstorm in April!

Some of these GWN's nedd to listen to REAL PhD's, not idiots like The Goreacle who frigging failed Divinity School...TWICE! And got a C in Science at Haaaaaaavard.

http://www.penraker.com/archives/007100.html

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/


NEConservative
Check my blog for the scoop on Hanoi John and HIS electricity bill for the month! BTW, he's written a BOOK on GloBULL Warming! It's all the rage among libstains!

Just like good little commies
They are looking for new tax sources. And ways to oppress the population. It would be a big mistake to concede anything to GWN's and let them impose restrictions and taxes on the public. Especially when people like Al Gore and the Hollywood crowd waste at exponential rates and expect the peasents to pay for it. This is why it looks like and IS a leftist scam. Like another article said Ahnold's California is one of the worst offenders and they are trying to tell other states and people what to do. They operate 10% of the country's cars and waste more electricity than anybody but we're supposed to listen to them? You first Al Gore and California.

tombo777, no doubt
Come to New England too. The seasons have shifted but aren't gone. I wonder what the GWN's in Burlington think about all the cold winter weather they are getting?

Green house gas conspiracy
I saw a scientist on TV once. OK, he wasn't a scientist, but he did play one on TV.
Anyway,that shows my credentials. I've studied the subject and found that CO2 isn't the culprit.
The biggest greenhouse gas is H2O. The one we need to be rid of is CO2.

H2O...CO2....do you see it? What they have in common?

The #2!!!! We need to ban the number 2. NOW
I'm starting a #2 offset Company. If you use the # 2 for anything simply pay me $1.00 and I'll write the number 1 twice to offset your use of the forbidden #.

Mother Earth Fair in Town
Was a bit bored today so I visited a Mother Earth 'Global Warming fest' near town, Port Townsend, WA.
The faithful were all there with bongo drums and guitars singing Peter Paul and Mary type folksy music for mother earth.
I was urged to carry a pre made save the earth sign, so that the on site photographers could make hay and propaganda of me.
I chose not to wave a sign for the photographer and simply stood to watch the folksy earth loving singers do their song and dance.
Saw very little printed material to be had nor were there any booths---- just the earth first singers in the gazebo.
Crowd was depressingly predictable in appearance, a sort of geriatric version of 1968, with women in combat boots and men with the greying goatees and thinning hair in a pony tail.
'Talk about dress code conformity!'
Anyhow it was so cool and breezy at the 'global warming event, that I think I caught a cold.
One more thing of note-----
A guy was standing by a new electric 'hybrid' car out front.
He told us it would go about 30 miles on a battery charge, (better keep your trip under 15).
Also the top speed was........ 25 mph.
Well, would cut down on fatalities I guess.

Is Newt just looking out for Newt?
Perhaps Gingrich sees the writing on the wall and is just trying to give it a soft landing. Or perhaps he honestly believes this pap, just like he fell for the population bomb. I know Newt had the contract with America, but what has he done for me lately? He's not running for president - maybe he sees the real power in being the kingpin of a green new deal in a way Gore could only dream of. Another center-rightist trying to be the king of the hill.

Junk
I say let's burn the fuels, use the resources then sit back and wait for the rapture. That seems to be the only thing that would please the fear, greed and god crowd.

DavidMac
You look like you could use a good laugh too.
http://www.junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20070412.html

The Left continues
its misanthropic rants about how evil humanity is and how mankind is destroying the planet.

Maybe it's simply self-hatred turned outward.

I'd propose that the AGW (anthropomorphic global warming) crowd stop driving cars and walk everywhere, stop using light bulbs or any electric appliance, refuse to use anything not made of wood.

Walk the walk, moonbats.

To Myopine
Yeah, that global warming that came through last weekend fixed by carbon credits. I planted 5 trees last year and 1 so far this year. When the global warming got down to 21F it killed all but 2 of those trees, as well as the tomato plants.

Any problems?
Anyone but me have problems with the site?
I have tried 3 OS in combination with 3 browsers.
They all screwup different but they ALL SCREWUP!

Vic
If you feel like a good laugh, check out http://www.JunkScience.com
There is a group of scientists who claim trees in certain areas will increase Global Temperature by 10 degrees F over the next 100 years!

I guess that kills Algores Carbon Credits scam!

To Myopine
I agree totally. The whole thing is a scam designed to bilk money out of the average person. If Albore gets his way it will be paid to him. if the rest of the liberals get their way it will be just another tax. Even IF they did something like some are arguing, decreased the taxes in other areas, what they would do is rig it to where the so-called poor would get most of the money and the so-called rich would pay most all of the tax.

Watch how this mess plays out. If the real conservatives don't put a stop to it we will get one or both of the scheems that they have going now. A new tax and a new offset.

Vic
Very often the increase in greenhouse gas comes AFTER the warming.
The amount of greenhouse gas that can be attributed to mankind is so infantismal it can't be measured.

If mankind was to cease ALL carbon gas generation there would be no measurable affect on Global Warming.

The Sun and other planets in the Solar system are growing warmer at exactly the same rate.
That alone should disprove AGW.

Anyone here think a "Green Tax" on America will cool the entire Solar System? Bring back the ice caps on Mars?

If we were really serious about
getting rid of CO2 emmisions this is what it would look like to elliminate that from electricity generation alone.

Current capacity (2005) is 1.067E+6 Mwe
Roughly 70% of that is from fossil fuel of some kind. That gives 7.47E+5 Mwe that needs replacement. Note that near the end of the 80s building cycle the average cost was 3 - 4 billion dollars per plant. The last plant started up that I can find numbers for was Shoreham in NY at 6 billion. Assuming $5 billion per 1000MWe nuclear plant replacing the output of all of the fossil burners (70% of generation) it will cost 3.74E+12 dollars (That is 3,740 Trillion Dollars). That is just for electricity generation as it currently is. If you replace all of the other fossil burning stuff with electricity this would go up exponentially. To place this in perspective the entire budget for the US in 2006 is estimated to be 2.7 trillion dollars. This is roughly 1000 times that budget. The costs are just enormous.

http://www.eei.org/industry_issues/industry_overview_and_statistics/industry_statistics/index.htm

Why the big SCAM?
I think there is method to this AGW madness!
Carbon tax to offset payroll tax for whom? Why?
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=20963

Stupidity on top of Stupidity
Tell me Stephan, how can you possibly reconcile

a) Your supposed belief the "The free market is the best system ever created for providing what we want at the lowest possible cost" with

b) A to proposal to remove money from the market, and transfer it to the government?

Oh, with more of your typical brilliance;

"Some economists propose that carbon tax revenues be used to finance equal cuts in income and payroll taxes"

Yeah right. And the Income Tax was only going to be levied on the very rich and never rise above 10%.

Even if I was willing to stipulate that carbon emissions generated by man are causing warming - which I will not - your proposal is sheer stupidity. But I expect nothing less from your consistently feeble mind. You are a putz.

They're still skipping the economics
From the column:
"Some economists propose that carbon tax revenues be used to finance equal cuts in income and payroll taxes. That way, we'd get environmental improvements and a lighter load on companies and workers. Meanwhile, the total tax burden on the economy would be unchanged."

Yeah, we'll OFFSET the tax increases with reductions elsewhere. We just need a TEMPORARY tax until the problem is solved.

I can't possibly imagine what will be the result when politicians are given a moral imperative to save the planet by raising taxes.

But the GW crowd is STILL skipping ahead of some important questions. ECONOMICS IS SCIENCE TOO. How about a little clarity in how much global warming will supposedly be prevented by which action plans, and how much it will cost? But something tells me that the climatologists' economic projections on the costs and the benefits will be just a bad as their climate predictions.

Global Warming
I would like to invite every global-warming enthusiast to come to Ohio and see it in full vigor. Don't forget to bring thermal underwear and a very heavy overcoat and hat. Gloves would be nice, also.

JP

You've made good points, especially about the increasing stridency of the doomsday predictions. Part of the problem is that the "debate" -- such as it is -- is dominated at the moment by politicians and assorted hotheads, rather than scientists. Another key problem facing the country -- the growth of entitlement spending -- takes on a very different complexion if you discuss it with actuaries rather than politicians.

I feel your final paragraph asking what we're going to do if the world starts to cool is a sidesplitter. Will the Al Gores of the future recommend a crash program to burn more coal? Level the remaining forests?

"AAAGGGHH! The glaciers are coming! The glaciers are coming! Gotta get those CO2 levels up! Gotta soak up more sunlight!"

Even so, I think attention to fossil fuel use is required, if only for the old reasons. Dependence for a key commodity on the backward, volatile Middle East is a political hazard as well as an economic one. We wouldn't want to depend on them for wheat, cotton, milk and eggs, either. Coal is a dirty fuel, not only for the CO2 and SO2, but for the ash remaining after it's burned, and for the vast areas that must be mined to extract it. Natural gas is relatively scarce and hostage to some of the same unstable countries as oil.

Pollution is a chronic problem. Somebody always has to take out the garbage. Even oxcart societies have to manage cow flop. Thrift is good. We do well to strive towards greater cleanliness and greater efficiency no matter what the crisis du jour.

The Supreme Court Decision
Besides emphasizing political and lawyer meddling with a subject they know nothing about [science, let alone climate change]; it was a typical NARROW one vote majority with all four liberal judges voting for regulating what is clearly NOT A POLLUTANT and one swing judge making a huge mistake!

Permaneant damage?

As a 4th generation American Farmer, perhaps I understand how the earth goes through cycles, "breaths" and even repairs itself. My grandfathers were conservationist before the elites made it their badge. Science (real science, not GORE science) has NOT proven anything about long-term climate change however history indicates that we can expect it will change and adjust; sometimes warmer and sometimes cooler. The earth's power to compensate and adapt to our inputs should give us cause to step back in awe. Do not let that awe for this creation be replace by worship of the next government program or tax policy. This earth has recovered from natural catastrophes that make our carbon emissions look like a small blip on the graph. We should exercise my grandfathers' conservation but never expect the politicians to get it right for you. Liberty is more difficult than legalism. Start with personal responsibility and give good economics unmanipulated by Washington to operate.

Mistakes
Steve, my man, the FIRST mistake to avoid is pre-emptive surrender! Your capacity to be stampeded by the press campaign of the environmental fanatics is staggering!

To AGW Proponents
Many of the IPCC forecasts are based on the assumption that they can precisely forecast global temperature variations 15, 20 and 50 years down the road. Yet, we cannot even get NOAA, GISS, or HadCru to agree on what past temperatures were. Every year "adjustments" magically appear which remove well known paleo climate events (MWP, LIA, and the unprecedented warming of the late 20s and 30s). Even recent weather history such as Alaska's frigid Feb 2007 (one of the coldest in 50 years) showed up as being ABOVE NORMAL (1960-2003 average)by the folks at NOAA.

I see a bit of desperation in the AGW proponents case; in the US, the majority of the people aren't buying thier arguments, nor do they trust thier motives. With each passing week, the forecasts for species extinction, catastrophic droughts, floods, the loss of winters, glaciers, etc... get more strident.

Not one Climate Scientist can even agree how much warming will take place; the 2001 IPCC TAR forecasted a 4.1 deg C warming by 2100, now it is 2.0 Deg C. Dendroclimatologists cannot calibrate thier tree rings to reflect local temperature trends, but that doesn't prevent them from using those proxies to represent the global warming signal (this has been done by Biffra, Malcom Hughes, Mann and Jones), and thier mathamatical methods were found not only to be incorrect, but were non-standard. Quality checks done by McKitrick, von Storch, and Wegman found that inputing random "red noise" into the AGW dendro models turned out a strong gloabal warming signal evertime. McKitrick even inputed data that showed "cooling, and the warming signal remained. These critiques were ignored by the "peer reviewers", who label these men as "deniers". Wegman, a world renowned professor of theoretical mathamatics at George Mason, came to the conclusion that the peer review process in Climate Science is not only broken, but is just a social clique.

So no, the science isn't setteled. Our solar system continues to see increased solar activity as expounded by the Russians (A sustained 2% increase for the last 108 years), and we will be fighting a chimera. Just as the goverments of the world get thier mandates, taxes, and regulations in place to fight AGW, the world will begin to cool.


To all
One other thing that should be noted by ALL of the proposed solutions for AGW, be they from the UN Panel or from the US Government, NONE of the proposed solutions actually elliminates man-made CO2 emmisions. The UN solution is to make the US and and a few other "rich" countries pay the "poor" countries for the privilidge of having a succesful economy.

The proposed solutioins in the congress cause people who emit CO2 to have to buy offsets from some non-described program to be set up by the EPA in the future.

JohninOrgeon
"Chapman suggests and put some of our tax burden toward the worthy task of encouraging corporations to help wean us from our unhealthy addiction? We've got to do it soon anyway--petroleum is a finite resource---so why not now?"

I hear what you are saying, but your logic is flawed. First, let's address your 'unhealthy addiction' remark. We're not talking about smoking here. Everything you see around you at this very moment, your clothes, the food you will eat today, everything depended upon fossil fuels. Without fossils fuels, you are back to one set of home-spun clothes, living in a rotting hovel, and desperately looking for something to do to kill time when you are not out toiling a 16-hour day just to scrape enough food together in hopes of continueing your family's tooth-rotting, malnourished, ricket-having meager existence. When you are lucky enough to get into town; the only place in your life you have ever been btw, you get the 'good fortune' of wading through fathoms of mud and feces just to cross the lousy street. I could continue to alliterate, but why? I think we get the picture.

I don't even think modern plumbing has done more to advance the general health of our species than the gas combustible engine.

As for you saying we need to change anyways becase fossil fuels are a finite resource-- you are absolutely correct. Have you ever heard the term 'Necessity is the mother of invention?' The same ingenuity that brought us gas-combustible engine will bring the new thing. The free market is throwing millions at the problem now (e.g. Hydrogen fuel cells) because there is a demand for it. Gov't regulation is the mother of intervention.

To firetoice
The three man bills that are in congress now are all cap and trade scams. This is what Albore and Enron wanted so they could make money from it. Under a tax scam only the government will make money. It will be only a new rational for taxes because they will NEVER make it revenue neutral, especially if the Dems have any say in it.

Carbon Reductions
The two approaches most frequently discussed for carbon emissions reductions are a "Cap & Trade" regime and the imposition of a carbon tax. The involvement of government in the discussion strongly suggests that the method selected would be the carbon tax, which provides revenue to the government, rather than the cap & trade regime, which does not.

The government would likely propose to place the carbon tax revenues in a "trust fund" (eg., Social Security Trust Fund, Medicare Trust Fund, Highway Trust Fund) for RDD&D on zero carbon emissions energy technologies. Why, they might even promise a "lock box", to protect the "trust fund". And, of course, we would all look at their past successes with enterprises of this type and cheer them on. "Go, tax man, go!"

measure it!!!
have ou noticed temp. changes in a 1 hour period?
So did I! Up and down!!!
The same during last several decades or millenia.
delta T(emp) - insignificant in recorded time.

Translation: temp. variations we see are meaningless.

PS and what is a temp. of Milky Way or Saturn?
(at which point, you may have asked smartly)

Stop the big problem
STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!!!

Vic
Surely you are not suggesting that the LTM (left tributary media) are "spinning" the "Supremes'" decision. Perish the thought!

Global warming
I guess I missed something. I thought the Supreme Court said that the epa, etal, has to either say (not prove) that man made gases were the cause of global warming or forget about it. This is a far cry frome saying impose some sanctions, like tax them again.

To Steve Chapman
I'm sorry but we qare not ready to concede the issue as being lost yet. Yes some of our conservative bretheren like Newt have signed on to the issue, but all of haven't. I have sent Newt an E-Mail taking him to task for abandoning his principles on this issue. In addition, a poll being ran on Newt's own site has an overwhelming majority opposed to him on this issue. Perhaps he will reverse himself.

As for the Supreme Court case, you and everyone of the articles I have seen on it have the facts wrong. Sure there was a lot of text by the liberals on the court that bought into the idea of AGW however, the actual bottom line wasn't that the EPA should regulate CO2.

The bottom line was that the EPA had to provide additional justification for NOT regulating it.

See the case:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=05-1120

Best of all possible worlds

Questions on the global warming that have barely been touched are: Is the climate we're used to the best of all possible climates? Are we living in the best of all possible worlds? If we can keep things just the way they are, is that the best course?

It seems to me many people have ASSUMED all of the above.

The doomsday school assumes any change from the status quo would be bad -- Goldilocks with a gloomy outlook. The glaciers we grew up with were not too big, not too small, just right!
Sea levels, growing seasons, the length of summer & winter everywhere -- just right! If anything changes or might change, blame someone, sue someone, pass a law; better yet a whole slew of laws. You've even got Canadians and Minnesotans worrying aloud on national television that future winters might be too short. That's a sure indicator that public hysteria has reached a fever pitch. Cold climates keep losing people who hate the winters, but politicians are shouting at the backs of their heads as they leave. Huh?

Norgenorge writes of growing up in California. S/he seems to be one of the few people born there. Tens of millions of people migrated there in the 20th century, many of them from the upper Midwest because they got sick of shoveling snow. Now people migrate by the millions to California from south of the border where populist schemes have crippled the economies.

Tens of millions of people from Canada and the northern part of the U.S. continue to migrate to Texas, Florida and California for the same reasons. The public worries that the climate's getting warmer, but given the choice they're voting with their feet: "Gimme the sunshine!" Why endure a winter storm watch in April when you could be playing volleyball on Clearwater Beach.

The climate change denial school -- which is heavily represented on TownHall -- insists the science is bogus; nothing's really changing, and even if it is, there's nothing we can do about it. Proposed restraints are leftist plots, or worse yet, more swill cooked up by Rosie O'Donnell. We can just keep burning everything we get our hands on -- coal, rain forests, etc. -- and keep building superhighways, tract homes and shopping centers; multiplying our species into the billions and don't worry. God (or Mammon) will provide.

The upper hand in debate at the moment is held by the doomsayers with command-and-control "solutions." I'm not smart enough to digest all the science, but one thing I'm sure of is that Al Gore's insane. I've thought he was insane ever since I read his book in 1992. Norgenorge mentioned Rachel Carson, who wrote a doomsday book in 1962. Just because a spokesman for a given cause is insane doesn't imply the converse, that s/he isn't right about certain things, but cooler heads are needed to proceed constructively. Carson and Gore are like the weirded beardos who walk around city streets with sandwich boards saying: THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR. They convey a gloss of scholarship because you can find their ravings in libraries. They frighten the public, but do little to advance real science. If there really is "consensus" among scientists, they have to get the microphones away from the shameless self-promoters. (Rosie, too.)

I feel that many parties in the "debate" need to step back from their own hubris. "We can change the world at will!" "We can do whatever we want and the heck with consequences!"

Related issues I'm certain of are: 1. Species extinction is caused mainly by habitat loss, which is related to proliferating human populations. 2. The only certainty of command-and-control solutions is that it will produce unintended effects. Command-and-control solutions haven't stopped people from hating each other -- as misogyny among the underclass, the Imus flap and the ongoing carnage in the Middle East attest.

Like those funny-looking, fluorescent bulbs, I think we need more light and less heat.

Solution: Forget It
Like all other screaming and arm-waving "crises" during my long and interesting lifetime, this one is a fraud and a deception. I long ago stopped changing my "lifestyle" to make up for the sins of those who buy their teenagers SUVs and teach them that "responsibility" is handing them a plastic pre-paid MasterCard so they'll learn that if you want anything, just stick a plastic card in a slot and it's yours.

I plan to go on living my life to suit myself and look forward to the day when the next group of arm-waving hissy fit throwers change the subject.

And then that subject will be ignored too. No oat bran, no Olestra, no tofu, no Green anything. Tell me earnestly that it will save the planet and watch me do something else.

I don't care. Forget it. Tell it to the Marines. Talk to the Hand cos the ears are plugged with earbuds and are enjoying the Mozart Requiem.

Go away. Hush. You may as well. I'm not listening.

Mankind's Delusions Are Still With Us
Our ancestors used to sacrifice animals, and even virgins, to placate the gods and ensure a good harvest. Now, several thousands of years later, we still suffer from the delusion that our puny actions can change the earth's temperature. Probably many people will die early deaths, especially in Africa and other undeveloped countries, as a result of the actions, and non-actions, of the developed contries--but at least we're not killing virgins any more.

"What fools these mortals be."

I am not astonished
that so many C.O.C.Ks, P.R.I.C.K.s and P.E.(N.i.S.) es — i.e., members or believers in CO2 Contaminates Kin, Populist Reactions Intuitively Contradicting Knowledge and Pretended Experts (Not in Science) — want to get into a Carbon-Usage Negativing Tax.

The fight against global warming?
We can't win if Chapman means stopping climate change. He's an idiot. The whole point of "global warming" as a political movement, as an agenda, is MORE government control of human life.

"Imus"
.

okay, johninoregon, lets
Let's make cars more fuel efficient, but let's call them by a more realistic name: coffins. Because that is what has been happening. Cars have gotten lighter (LESS WEIGHT). WHY? They are made of BONDO, plastis, aluminum - lightweight stuff that doesn't help any living thing upon IMPACT.

According to some reports I have read what we should DEMAND instead is:
Make those who USE the most - PAY the most. ALGORE would be one of the top PAYERS. NO carbon offsets from his OWN COMPANY ALLOWED.


AGW: The scam of the century rolls on...
Are we supposed to move on from the debate about the science and look at 'solutions' to AGW, so easily and so blindly?

Are we supposed to fully believe the IPCC (a body whose existence depends upon there being AWG), and accept the ‘debate is over’?

Are we supposed to ignore every fundamental principle in science and critical thinking and accept AGW as a fact…and now spend trillions stifling economies world-wide in an attempt to deal with an imaginary construct?

Are we supposed to ignore the fact that there is not a single piece of direct, substantial, compelling evidence that shows that the NATURAL climate cycles have been overridden by humans to the extent that the climate will behave as AGW alarmist are claiming?

Well apparently, according to this article we do.

What a sad indictment of humanity’s failings this faith of AGW has become.

National Security
Finally, someone at a conservative website comes up with a constructive strategy, and rather than kudos, he gets the same head-in-the-sand denier arguments. Okay, people, here's something that may be a little easier to grasp: national security. As long as we continue to support our fossil fuel habit by getting our "fix" on the "bad side of town" (i.e., from countries that we don't like or don't like us) the longer we'll have an over-stretched military and unnecessary wars, supported by billions in tax dollars. Why not, instead, do as Mr. Chapman suggests and put some of our tax burden toward the worthy task of encouraging corporations to help wean us from our unhealthy addiction? We've got to do it soon anyway--petroleum is a finite resource---so why not now?

Carbon Tax

Why is it that those clamoring for reductions in CO2 output never point a finger at the soft drink industry?

The soft drink industry releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than the combined outputs of all the cars and all the electricity generating plants in the USA.

The soft drink industry better be prepared to pay their fair share of the tax. The Association of Coal Burning Companies should have no trouble convincing a jury that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Unless of course, this whole global warming hoax is just an attempt to "stick it to" the oil and coal industries.

In that case, rest easy, your Mountain Dew will still be carbonated and cheap.

The whole thing is bogus
The other day there was an article in the paper that farmers will be able to do what they are doing or plant "better" crops and get "carbon credits" which folks like Gore can use to offset their carbon usage. Does anyone have the slightest idea that the big shots will get the credit, the politicians will get the tax income, and the farmers will get the shaft?
It has been a long cold winter, and I am not going to turn down my heat to keep it from getting warm....the sooner it does the better.

Education
I'm amazed by how much I learn from other posters here at Townhall, especially about global warming. If only the MSM would do their jobs and publicize some of this very basic information... but then, truth doesn't exactly fit their agenda.

The real agenda
Mr. Chapman misses the real point of AGW hysteria. As Rush Limbaugh always says, it's the new home of communists. These anti-American leftists, at home and abroad, seek to destroy U.S. power by crippling our economy. That's why no one is heaping the same criticism upon China as its already huge economy grows using the dirtiest possible sources of energy.

The biggest mistake...
...we could make with regard to AGW would be to surrender just when the battle is starting to turn in our direction.

More and more, people are starting to see that the theory of anthropogenic global warming is not an established fact. They're also starting to understand the personal costs they would pay if we try to reduce carbon emissions in a potentially vain attempt to stave off a presumed climate change.

Chapman seems to want us to go ahead and accept that we're going to be hit with a carbon tax.

I say we should keep on fighting, and quit reading Chapman's drivel.

Its all Al Gore's fault
If only Al would keep his incessantly blathering trap shut we wouldn't have all that hot air that emanates from his mouth and ius driving up the Earth's temperature. Lets tax Al.

No serious solution...
If, under the Algorian thesis, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE due to Global Warming, then it is necessary to produce energy by the method that produces the least Greenhouse Gases. That method is: nuclear power. Isn't it odd that none of the Algorians seem willing to push the construction of nuclear plants, especially given that the total number of human deaths due to the peaceful use of nuclear power in this country is zero for all of history?

The day that Algore starts saying that we need to build a few hundred nukes to reduce CO2 emissions, I might stop rolling my eyes every time some eco-freak starts crying about Global Warming. After all, if WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE because of CO2 emissions, then isn't it worth the very minimal risk to build the nukes? But don't worry, guys, it'll never happen that these fools will support anything that might actually help with the supposed problem. By the way -- that is why Chapman's dumb Carbon Tax wouldn't work: the Algorians will not allow the building or use of any technology that actually would accomplish something, so we'd just end up paying more taxes.

Meanwhile, as I sit here on the 12th of April looking out at snowdrifts (blizzard last night) -- I keep thinking, just where the h*ll is that Global Warming they keep crying about? How I wish it would come!!!

I can't believe my eyes
Why does it take the readers of Townhall to point out the glaringly obvious false premise of this article?

Get government out of my pocket, my car, my choices in the marketplace, and certainly get government out of the business of evaluating science.

The most that anyone can really say is that for some period of time, the earth warms and it also cools. There's nowhere near enough evidence to attribute a cause to it, nor to come anywhere close to blaming it on a particular human activity. What about the drastic clear-cutting of the revered rainforests in the third world? Then there's bovine flatulance (though my wife might claim it's my flatulance alone that might do it). How about volcanoes?

OK, enough. Sorry, readers, I got on a tear. But I still can't believe a Townhall columnist has accepted the premise of man-made global warming.

How about this question--what if we do all this stuff and then go too far? Will we initiate runaway man-made global cooling? How will we know when enough is enough?

It's late. I quit.

norgenorge
Right on. Man's capacity to blame himself -- or, more accurately, OTHERS, who must be taxed, regulated, and publicly horsewhipped -- knows no bounds.

There are always those who manage to ignore all evidence of nature's culpability in some areas, like funny-colored stuff in the sky. Of course, if a brown haze hangs over SFV and no one is there to see it, is it pollution?

But thank God for freedom of thought and inquiry, even if it also inflicts Imuses and O'Donnells on us. We used to think solar eclipses signalled the end of the world (or impending defeat in battle, or that the gods were displeased with whoever was in charge). Now we assume the worst about an increase in CO2 emissions, with no actual evidence to support that notion; and sure enough, our thoughts stray to the eschatological, and dart about in search of someone to hang.

I'm impressed that in spite of this, there are scientists actually addressing empirical evidence. Truth will out. And yes, I see no problem drilling in ANWR, and much to be gained from it.

Carbon Tax
Since Mr. Chapman, Al Gore and the rest of the Democrats want a carbon tax, I say give it to them!

Al Gore testified before a Senate Committee on Global Warming and blamed Mankind for it's cause. His proposal: Raise energy taxes. Regardless of the actuality of Global Warming or not, I for one believe this is an excellent idea. Yes, let's raise taxes on the biggest residential consumers who use more than 2 times the average American household. I propose the following Excess Energy Consumption Tax (EECT): All residential electric and natural gas consumption taxes should be based upon excess energy use, after all, the point of raising taxes is to discourage excessive consumption to save the planet, right? Any excess energy consumption will be defined as being twice the national average consumption. All consumption in excess of the thresh hold will be taxed at the multiple of the national average rate.

Using Al Gore as the example of 18,400 kWh per month in 2006. He uses 20 times the national average therefore his bill should be as follows: Assuming the national average at 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year http://newsnviewsonline.blogs.com/my_weblog/2007/02/some_inconvenie.html or 890 kwhrs/month, on the first 1780 kwhr, there would be no tax, on the next 890 kwhrs he would pay a 100% EECT equal to the electric utility’s kwhr charge, on the next 890 kwhrs he would pay a 200% EECT and so on. By taking this taxation route to saving the planet we will wring out the worst and most wasteful energy consumers. Those high energy consumption consumers have two choices, reduce consumption preferably using the most efficient electrical devices or get off the electric grid by installing solar panels or wind turbines. It should be obvious that those who now pay in excess of a $1,000 a month for electricity, never mind natural gas, have the financial means to buy small scale electrical generation (18,000 kwhr/mo or so). How long do you think Al Gore would continue to consume energy at his current rate under this taxation regime before he both reduces his consumption and then gets off the electric grid?

Of course we can quibble about how much the EECT should be, but one fact remains, if Al Gore and the rest of the wealthy 5% or 15 million people (who own 70% of the personal wealth of the US) would reduce their consumption, residential electrical use in the US (1,140 billion kwhr http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/reps/enduse/er01_us.html ) would drop at least 50%, and that's a big number! Their share, 570 billion kwhrs is a lot of energy in anyone’s book. Do any of you really doubt that Al Gore is not typical of the wealthy? If you doubt that the wealthy represented by Al Gore, John Edwards or Nancy Pelosi consume at least half of all residential electricity, do the math: 15 million people X 20 times average US household = 300 million people. This is a very conservative estimate since we know that Al Gore and the rest of the wealthy have more than one house each and most if not all of those houses are significantly larger than the average American household of 2,500 sq ft. Now tell me if the US couldn't meet it's Kyoto targets if the wealthy like Al Gore were get off the electric grid or reduce their consumption down to that of the average American household? For those of us who don’t believe it’s mankind’s fault, we can still support this approach because such a reduction in energy use would bring the US very close to energy independence. If this approach is successful, then it should also be applied to fuel for private jets. Remember, one flight, one way consumes as much fuel as two commuters driving (2 vehicles) to work for an entire year. So who is consuming the planet? Al Gore and his friends like Brad Pitt or the average American?

As far as Mr. Chapman's idea of a carbon tax, why would anyone insist that the poor and middle class pay an aggregiously regressive tax? Oh, that's right, liberals think they're doing everyone a favor by taking your money and claiming it belongs to the government.


The debate has only just begun
I agree, we can't give up now. Conceding this thing is the biggest possible mistake of all. There was never a legitimate debate, since the debate was declared "over" at the start.

Mark my words, this will not stop merely with porky gvt projects and greenie mandates on tech trends and new taxes, as bad as those things are.
Its bite will be delayed, but over a decade or so it will bite hard. Just for starters, we'll watch the return of the Carter Administration of the 1970's in all its glorious malaise. (Including bowing and scraping before Iran!) Betcha we'll see a 55 mph speed limit again within 5 years, barring a miracle. Then we'll head on into a totalitarian luddite state.

This is all about phasing in comprehensive centralized control of virtually every aspect of our lives. Almost anything we do that involves energy (which is nearly everything) will be subject to arbitrary manipulation. The elitists will happily settle for half a loaf today if we permanently concede and stipulate their AGW dogma. Once they have that, they can come back again and again for the rest of the loaf. In fact, they ultimately want nothing less than the bakery and the flour mill.

If I'm not mistaken, the Supremes' ruling was based on the theory that the present Clean Air Act gives the EPA authority and even an obligation to regulate emissions of substances based on finding that they contribute to climate change. While it is true that the EPA in theory might conclude no regulation is necessary, we cannot rely upon that being or remaining the case. Not only are EPA administrators subject to heat from both Congress and the President, but activist groups can (as they did in this case) bring suit to challenge the EPA's conclusions and to have a court order stricter regulations.

Much recent regulation from EPA and OSHA especially has been produced by activist lawsuits. Strangely, it is exceedingly rare a court will intervene to declare regulations TOO strict; in that case the court will defer to the agency. Another factor is the malleable nature of regulatory science. Regulators can act based on a much lower level of confidence in the alleged science than anyone else can get away with.

This is insidious. SCOTUS has essentially allowed Congress to unconstitutionally delegate legislative authority to the EPA, except, of course, the authority to decide NOT to legislate. Just as they do with taxes and the IRS, Congresspersons and Presidents can stand aside and pretend to have nothing to do with the issue while unelected bureaucrats steadily erode our rights and freedoms on a sort of evil autopilot. Leftist Congresses and Administrations can spur new restrictions, while "conservative" Congresses and Administrations will generally do nothing to roll them back. This is a ratchet that will steadily increase the scope of government in our lives unless we take a firm stand now.

Chapman does not know his science...
Mr. Chapman has thrown in the towel and already is talking of "market" solutions to a non-existent problem.

How about a market solution for the other planets in the solar system that are also warming?

BLAME THE SUN! but don't give up the fight against the eco-nazis like Gore!!

GW
Global warming is a scam. Follow the money boys, follow the money.

Pollution progress
Case in point, dyerje!

Born in the San Fernando Valley, I was probably 7 or 8 years old before I realized it was ringed by the Santa Susanna Mountains ... I saw them so rarely because of the smog. Now, it's a rare day when it's so smoggy you don't see them.

We have progressed.

Will we ever get to zero pollution in SFV? No.

The indigenous people living here before the Spanish came called it "the Valley of the Smokes" because of the chronic, brownish haze. As there were no cars nor industry 500 years ago, to what could we attribute the smog, then?

A study a few years ago (by I think it was a joint effort by JPL and SCAQMD) determined it was a combination of stagnant airflow, and the off-gassing of the native pines, oaks, and manzanita.

Mother Nature is the culprit! A natural occurance, with no human causality. Imagine that! Did we muck it up worse? Yes. Did we clean up after ourselves. Undoubtedly, and we, I think, have learned our lesson in the process.

The USA does probably the best job among nations in cleaning and protecting our environment. We have found it prudent and responsible to do so, and we have used our free-market abilities to remain competitive in doing so.

That's why I believe we need to open ANWR to oil exploration to reduce our foreign oil habit and increase our domestic security. We'll do a nice, clean job of it; the caribou will never even know we are there.

Book review
Every time I try to take a counter-argument on here, I'm attacked like an alien by a Marine's robot sentry ("Aliens"); I admit it, I'm a wuss.

So I'll just recommend a book instead:
The Discovery of Global Warming, by Spencer R. Weart. It covers the whole history of our understanding of climate science, and it covers the political debate as well.

The biggest mistake
... is taxing ourselves, or doing anything else, when we (a) don't understand what increased man-made CO2 emissions even mean for the planet, and (b) can't predict with any certainty whether taking actions will reduce them anyway.

Others here point out that CO2 has not been proven to be a cause of global warming, but rather historically has occurred AFTER a warming period.

But there is no question man's activities have pumped more CO2 into the atmosphere in the last 100 years than at any time since we started keeping records of what man does. Aside from unproven claims about CO2 causing the present warming trend, what does increased CO2 mean for us?

We do know that a slight increase in global temperatures, and a higher CO2 index in the atmosphere, will improve the prospects for agriculture, as such influences have in the past. If man-made CO2 emissions triple by 2050, as even AGW skeptics predict, will that merely make the planet more habitable for increased billions of people? Or is it a problem?

The bottom line is: WE DON'T KNOW. The misdirected AGW clamor is actively preventing us from getting a better handle on that.

Let's not start taxing something we may in fact find is good for us. It's one thing to see and breathe actual pollution -- brown hazes over the San Fernando Valley; soot on buildings and on trees and in lungs. Tax it; regulate it; get rid of it.

But the jury is still out on the significance of increased CO2. It's not time to hit the panic button and start applying the inherently crude "remedies" of Government, Queen of Unintended Second-Order Consequences.

You know, the day is coming when our Supreme Court will rule that plate tectonics have an unconstitutionally unequal impact on Californians. Any guesses as to who will be taxed or coerced to redress that grievance?

Anyone Remember GLOBAL COOLING?
KUDOS to athingortwo! Now I don't feel so verbose!

Going on 35 years ago, as a high school student in the San Francisco Bay area, I was surrounded by hippy-dippy peacenik/green-weenies who insisted we were all doomed because of Global Cooling ... all because of man-made pollution.

They damned hair spray and got my freon outlawed (requiring auto manufacturers to come up with a more costly and less effective alternative ... thank you, EPA!), and conveniently overlooked the truth that one day's eruption of Mt. Pinatubo - in the Philipines - pumped more pollutants into the atmosphere than the sum total of mankind's existance. Pinatubo erupted for MONTHS!.

They now screech about C02, and how the 4/100's of the atmospheric volume of this naturally occuring gas that humankind MAY be responsible for is dooming the planet to irrepairable damage! Give it a rest! We are the tiniest blip on the radarscope of Earth's timeline. Our planet's been here 4+ billion years, and will most likely be here close to that long after we're gone.

To make you enviro-wackos feel better about it, there will probably still be creatures like cockroaches and rats. Oh, by the way, did you know that just the insects on Earth produce more CO2 than all human endeavors?

Want a quick way to solve the supposed CO2 problem? Bring back DDT. By the way, it was banned, on a whim, by a politician, not a scientist. Scientific studies NEVER linked DDT to any type of harm to animals or humans . . . only disease-carrying bugs.

Rachel Corson was a fraud and a liar when she wrote the fictional "Silent Spring" that was the springboard for the evironmental movement. The people who clamored for the banning of DDT have the deaths of tens of millions of people in equitorial regions ... and the lifetime disability of countless others ... on their hands.

If you can "handle the truth," get a copy of the late Dr. Dixie Lee Ray's book "Trashing the Planet." A former NASA scientist, she realized early on that the environmental movement was becoming the home for global socialism and junk science.

and then
How must we then address the global warming we see on Mars?

Not with you on this one
Sorry buddy but I disagree with the assumption of the problem and the solution to the assumption. New taxes rarely replace pre-existing taxes and this crowd of representatives would not be the ones to trust to do it. Some Republicans might cave on the position but that does not mean we should sell out to the likes of Al Gore.

No way is it time to throw in the towel
Sorry, Steve, this is not the time to concede anything to the global warming crowd .. for one, the pushback is only just now starting to gather steam, with major media exposure finally beginning to acknowledge those who've correctly labeled this movement "The Great Global Warming Hoax" (courtesy of the UK's Channel Four). The science on warming is by no means settled, but most of the new science is showing that the media-friendly game of cherry-picking data and observations comes to precisely the wrong conclusions about greenhouse gases. CO2, whether man-made or not, does not cause global warming, period. Indeed, the growing body of ice-core data shows just the opposite: approx. 800 years after each episode of atmospheric warming, atmospheric CO2 begins to tick upwards. In other words, global warming causes high CO2, not the other way around as charged. Indeed, solar radiation levels correlate far better with earth's atmospheric temperatures than does CO2. The models all the Cassandras point to: they're flat out wrong, and so far unable to replicate each other's results, let alone the cooling that occurred from 1940 to 1975 at a time when atmospheric CO2 was rapidly increasing during and after World War II.

As word finally starts to get out about all manner of climate facts .. i.e., that CO2 concentrations today are near a relative low point in historical variation, being as much as 20 times more concentrated than today's levels in times past with no resulting biospheric catastrophe; or that history has shown time and again that mankind positively thrives in warming periods (lower disease, less starvation, more social advancement, etc.), and conversely suffers tremendously during cooling periods such as the "little ice age" that ended in the mid-19th century, and the previous little ice age episode that gripped the world during the dark ages; that even from a pure physics and thermodynamic perspective, CO2 is among the least effective and least prevalent greenhouse gases, with water vapor being by far the most effective and prevalent greenhouse gas; and that without greenhouse gases, life on earth as we know it would not be possible ... we need greenhouse gases.

Nope - this is absolutely not the time to throw in the towel on the global warming battle, nor is it time to consent to a massive government intervention in our economy and in our daily lives, be it carbon credits, carbon taxes, drastically increased CAFE standards, or whatever. This is the time to double down, take on the faux media "science" and its practitioners head on, and defeat them with facts and data - i.e., with the science that is decidedly not in their corner.

The Supreme Court ruling on CO2 regulation? That will not affect anything, because all it amounts to is the Supreme Court saying that it would prefer that the EPA regulate CO2 as a "pollutant" (which it assuredly is not!), and in doing so has created a "right to regulate" out of whole cloth, yet nothing in the decision compels the Bush Administration or its successors to regulate CO2. Future lawmaking on the subject? Well, the last I looked the Dems don't have 60 votes in the Senate, nor does either body have the votes to override a Presidential veto.

This is no time to raise the white flag ... it's time to fight harder than ever to prevent the global government types from regulating our lifestyles and our economy into the ground!

Actually
little talked-about secret is that the global temperature has FALLEN since 1998.

Bad solution to a non-problem
All this rush to solve a problem that doesn't exist? I guess that is the standard, liberal, big-government approach, but is it rational? There is ZERO evidence that manmade CO2 is heating the earth to any appreciable degree. The earth is getting warmer, no doubt, but it's been doing that for the last 400 years, and a trend will continue until it changes. That doesn't mean mankind has anything whatsoever to do with it. How about this: Let's make any changes in our energy use that make sense for any reason OTHER than climate change. Then if the climate gets better, we can say we helped, and if it doesn't, we'll just blame Mother Nature.

A good solution to an imaginary problem
The assumption behind Mr. Chapman's argument is that anthropogenic global warming (AGW) has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt and this is his mistake. The mainstream media are reticent to discuss other scientists who disagree with the AGW status quo. If the activities of humanity really have no impact on the climate at all, then any solution, even a free market one, is a waste.
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