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Monday, June 01, 2009
Star Parker :: Townhall.com Columnist
Rights, responsibilites and health care
by Star Parker
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Will the Dems' health care Christmas Present to America be an improvement or detriment to our health care system?


Want to know what troubles our American health care system?

Consider the thoughts of psychiatrist and Nazi death camp survivor Viktor Frankl.

After spending time in our country as a visiting professor, he saw the looming dangers of freedom without responsibility. He observed: "Freedom is in danger of degenerating into mere arbitrariness unless it is lived in terms of responsibleness. That is why I recommend that the Statue of Liberty on the East Coast be supplemented by a Statue of Responsibility on the West Coast."

We as Americans accept that health care is an individual right, even if someone else is paying for it. The truth that every personal right must have an accompanying personal responsibility is now lost in our self-absorbed materialistic culture. We have only rights, entitlements if you will.

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Few have any idea what the costs are of the health care they receive. Many get it tax subsidized through their employer, many get it through Medicare in a now bankrupt Ponzi scheme in which those working pay taxes to pay for care of those retired, and more than sixty million Americans do not pay at all through Medicaid and SCHIP programs.

Hundreds of millions receive health care the costs of which have little or nothing to do with their own personal realities and then we wonder why those costs are out of control.

Now Ted Kennedy has introduced his solution to all of this, which also captures the thinking of our president. Set up a new government health care plan, subsidized of course by taxes, and call this choice because you are not forced to take it (although you are forced to pay taxes for it).

As Senator Kennedy announces more free health care -- meaning one group of Americans will get what another group of Americans will pay for -- the disconnect between who gets health care services and who pays for them will grow even greater.

Costs will be controlled, according to Senator Kennedy, by setting up a new army of bureaucrats who will get rid of proverbial "fraud and abuse," will decide for doctors how to treat their patients, and will decide for us how we should behave by dictating the preventative measures we must take for our own good.

To put on a show for what this all might look like, a few weeks ago President Obama "invited" representatives from the major sectors of the health care business -- doctors, insurers, hospitals, pharmaceutical firms, medical device manufacturers -- to the White House to tell us all how much they would commit to lowering costs.

The result was a supposed commitment by these groups to cut costs by 1.5 percent per year.

Aside from the fact that shortly after the White House announcement, industry representatives began issuing statements denying that they made any such commitment, let's assume it's accurate. That these groups do not know how to run their own businesses and that they can deliver the same products and services annually for 1.5 percent less if the president threatens them.

At our annual health care bill of about $2.5 trillion dollars, savings of 1.5 percent would be about $40 billion.

Let's consider how much of our $2.5 trillion health care bill are costs resulting from behavior that individuals choose.

Googling around and totaling up, I come up with about $240 billion, about ten percent of our total health care bill. This is roughly the total reported health care costs associated with obesity, drug and alcohol abuse, sexually transmitted diseases, HIV/AIDS and sedentary life styles.

Worth noting is that these occur disproportionately in low income groups who get their health care free. More than half our spending on HIV/AIDS, for example, is out of Medicaid. Can it be accidental that the huge health care costs related to lifestyle issues are most pronounced where individuals do not personally bear the costs of how they behave?

How can our health care problems be solved by more entitlements and bureaucrats when this is what is causing the problem to begin with?

Viktor Frankl had it right. At the heart of the solution for our health care crisis is personal responsibility. This means more freedom and more markets.

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Star Parker is the founder and president of CURE, the Coalition for Urban Renewal & Education, a 501c3 think tank which explores and promotes market based public policy to fight poverty, as well as author of White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay.
 
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"fraud and abuse,"
Oh goody....... our fraud and abuse issues in our healthcare system is going to be rooted out by the Masters of Fraud and Abuse...?.. Our ever-growing BIG GOVERNMENT..?... why am I not taking comfort in this? When DID personal responsibility die? Why are we losing our rights?

The same government that just sent out 10 thousand checks to dead people is going to run our healthcare system? Guess I'll just walk out into the desert right now and let the coyotes have their way with me. At my age they aren't going to ok any treatment. I believe this is their goal. Rationed help care and even there they will screw it up! I hope no old people slip past them or heads will roll...

Free health care.


Free health care. ( Explained )

Just go to one of the health care camps, and everything will be fine.

They ship you out in less than a week, completely cured,

in boxes labeled "Soylent Green ".

Government Healthcare

Billions in waste, fraud, and abuse in Medicare.

Billions of waste, fraud and abuse in Medicaid.

Liberals support Government Healthcare.

Enough said.

A 10 year plan to fix Healthcare
PHASE1 (1st five yrs)
* Medicare/Medicaid vouchers for the poor and elderly - yes, this perpetuates the status quo, but fairness dictates a short term 'amnesty'
* cease Medicare 'deduction' and employer match
* return the previously extorted Medicare funds (with interest) into the Health Savings Accounts of individuals
* continue tax deductibility of Health Savings Accounts - employers may choose to contribute into the Health Savings Accounts of their employees
* fee for service begins to eliminate the need for insurance companies EXCEPT for catastrophic coverage
* costs start to come down (supply-and-demand at work)

PHASE2 (next five yrs)
* Healthcare vouchers ONLY for the poor and/or for those who are above a certain 'cut-off' age
* tax relief for everyone else
* end tax deductibility of Health Savings Accounts

PHASE3 (the future)
* no more Medicare, Medicaid etc.
* the poor are helped by voluntary, private charity
* Return to fee-for-service
* Health insurance is relegated to its rightful status - as a hedge against catastrophic illness

Opponents will charge that it is too cold & heartless. Inevitably there will be some who can't afford medical care, requiring private charity to intercede on their behalf. In reality, the lower costs would ensure that there would be a decrease in the number of people who can't afford medical care.

Actually our healthcare system is less screwed up than our education system! At least Govt does not (with some exceptions) own and operate most of the hospitals. So, the above solution is easier than my proposal for fixing K-12 education in 10 years.

The above solution may not 'feel good', but it will work. However, it may be difficult to get politicians to take this 'tough love' approach -in an America that confuses populism with leadership.

"Products and services"?
Health insurance industry providing "products and services"? What are these, pray tell? Star, do you honestly think they have done anything FOR you? They provide NOTHING which is helping me or anyone else obtain health care. They are only HINDERING it, and in the process are robbing me and everyone else blind.

It is very interesting that 37 other countries who have no private health insurance industry, and who have the same health problems with older populations with higher rates of smoking and drinking, achieve better health outcomes than the US.

And yet you continue your rant about "more freedom and more markets". Freedom for our sick to go to financial ruin, all the while being screwed by the "markets" you so espouse.

Entertainment Healthcare: Part I
Then you have a group of determined elderly who think that visiting the doctor is a great form of entertainment - and it's also a badge of affluence. Like the doctor is their own personal physician. I've seen this from time to time.

Let's put it this way: if you see something like that only once, you're seeing something that's being repeated a thousand or ten thousand or a hundred thousand times. Much more common than the proverbial $900 toilet seats.

The Sickness System
We have a fabulous system of emergency medicine: if you're in a car accident or break a bone or have a heart attack, this is the country to be treated.

But healthcare? No, we don't have healthcare. It's sickcare.

Go to the doctor: he tells you you have high cholesterol. No, not high in reality: high because it's popular among these Pez-dispensers-for-pharmaceuticals to call your cholesterol high, even when your total cholesterol is well under 200. So they put you on statins. And statins cause death and disablilty in astounding numbers.

Add to that the NNTs. Numbers Needed to Treat. Look it up. Statins and NNT. They are not effective, any more than a baby aspirin or a fish oil capsule or two. But they're much more expensive.

But your doctor insists. And your doctor may be one of those who will "fire" you if you don't take his statins. You tell him, after taking them for awhile, that your legs hurt.

One Nurse Practitioner was heard telling a patient: "in all the time we've been prescribing %&*%tor, we've only had two complaints." Only because they weren't listening. Certainly they didn't add that person's complaint to the list: there were still "only two people," as far as they were concerned.

The Statin Hoax
If you are elderly - past 70 - the chance that you "need" a statin is almost nil. That's what all the science says. In fact, if you are over 70 and your cholesterol goes down on its own, it's likely that you're going to get Alzheimer's. (Not saying that statins CAUSE Alzheimers, but cholesterol is NOT the enemy they claim.)

But the AARP, the pharmaceuticals and your family doctor decide you need these drugs, and the government goes along with the claim, false claim that it may be.

So, again, you tell your doctor that statins are making you weak, your legs hurt. "So what," he/she says? "You're gettin old!" Not that you had these symptoms before you started taking them, understand. Some people develop a genetic disorder, after the Atrogen I gene is turned on by the drugs, and they lose muscle in a way that can only be compared with AIDS and ALS.

So how many hundreds of billions of dollars does Medicare and Medicaid pay for these useless, dangerous drugs? This is Big Business Socialism.

And it is bad medicine, on a par with VIOXX, but much, much worse. Its a class action suit waiting to happen.

And then guess what?
They'll be asking for indemnity, or a bailout. And then the Idiot In Chief will start running pharmaceuticals, the same way he's running our car companies.

It's your health, folks
Healthcare - as Dr. Sowell pointed out - is not the same as medicine, or insurance. Healthcare is a choice - not a government program or your insurance company. Healthcare is how you take care of your own health.

You want to abuse your own body with drugs and alcohol and food and every other poison known to man? And then you want what? The doctor to fix you? You're turning over the keys to your life - your LIFE - to someone who only has time to ask you a few questions and scribble something on a prescription pad?

Doctors aren't paid for their discernment any more. They wish they were. But pressures to produce force them to be Pez dispensers. And pressures from patients - like you, friend - make them even more so.

I've told doctors that I don't see a doctor, which is why I'm still healthy. I'm my own HMO: Health Maintenance Organization. And so are you, but you don't realize it, having given the keys to your health to someone else.

But woe to those who criticize the pharmaceuticals, and who say that healthcare is a choice: both left and right will burn you at
the stake as a heretic! The left will call you a rightwing fanatic, and the right will call you a liberal.

A real conservative, friend, takes care of him/herself, and may have a doctor for routine tests, but they do their own research and their own BP monitoring (you can do it inexpensively) and they can eat what's good for their own system, instead of listening to the one-size-fits-all dietary nonsense that the government nannies insist is the be-all (like the food pyramid, for example.)

Most of you are driving around in bodies that could function like a high-performance sportscar, and you treat yours like it was a low-cost junker. What do you expect when it breaks down?

It's your health. Act like it.

And if you mistreat your body, don't expect us to pay to fix what you've broken. It's your body: act like it.

The real reason...
Here's what I think... Social Security is broke, millions of baby boomers are poised to retire. Rationed healthcare will cull the numbers of aged needing to be on the rolls of Social Security and Medi-Care. Problem lessened by the attrition of death through non-treatment. After all, they no longer contribute to The State, they are takers who are no longer needed. Welcome to Obama the Infant Slayers re-made America.

Finally...
As Star Parker said: "responsibility."

Unfortunately, even many conservatives these days act like they're not responsible for their own health! And let me give you a little inside-inside: most doctors who have a grain of ethics and common sense agree with what I'm saying.

They know that it's the unfortunate truth that you - even the conservatives among you - aren't participants in your own healthcare. Why should they care, why should they be anything other than a Pez dispenser, if you don't participate in your own health maintenance?

Grow up, Americans!




Star
"...Viktor Frankl had it right. At the heart of the solution for our health care crisis is personal responsibility. This means more freedom and more markets."

Only one question. Why does the US with virtually the only nearly private healthcare system cost the most money in the civilized world and deliver by far the worse results? This is a real question with serious intent.

You rightly point out that low income groups absorb the most. Now let's consider who comprises low income groups. They are the elderly, the very young, the physically and mentally challenged, the ill and unable to work. All those aside there is no PREVENTIVE healthcare available for the low income like there is aplenty for you and me.

You conservatives crushed wages destroying the family and then tried to supplement it with the religious right. It did not work - look around you. All you left was a legacy of poverty, violence and hate nice though that it supposedly worked for you


TED KENNEDY
OH, Yeah. Ted gave us
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
(42 U.S.C. § 1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986

It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

EMTALA applies to "participating hospitals", i.e., those that accept payment from the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) under the Medicare program. However, in practical terms, EMTALA applies to virtually all hospitals in the U.S., with the exception of the Shriners Hospitals for Children, Indian Health Service hospitals, and Veterans Affairs hospitals


WHICH MEANS--IF you are citizen in California, you can't get into an Emergency Room. It is already full of Illegal Aliens, getting their free health care.


Something like 60 (I'm sure the count is higher now)hospitals have CLOSED, because they went bankrupt.

Doofass:
Why don't you donate your alleged "reired military health care" to a member of the groups you listed?

Jim in VA
You are so right-but perhaps even conservative people treat their bodies like junk[ers] because soon, that is all we'll be literally allowed to drive? Why indeed worry about the BP when you're courting disaster in a more obvious way by driving those little green cars? ;)

I think a lot of folks feel that since there is so much modern medicine can do to help so many situations, it simply doesn't occur to them to dig any deeper to really understand their bodies and how they work. I know that's what I've done lo these many years (since other than being soft I am quite healthy, seldom needing medical intervention other than when the kids were born), and now my personal situation is one in which I will HAVE to take on the responsibility of doing my own research, even unto changing doctors if need be, and moving forward, as well as paying out of pocket. In the meantime the pharma ERT is at least somewhat of a stop-gap against complete misery. The thing that tipped it for me was hearing my doctor actually say that bio-identicals were filled with all sorts of unnecessary things. WTH?

With attitudes like that from doctors who ought to know better, and an ingrained reflex on or part that says 'doctor knows best' it shouldn't be surprising that even we conservatives get caught up in the merry-go-round.

Good article Star
Cut costs on health care by cutting the paper work the libidiots have placed on it.Something`s wrong when a small doctor`s office has to hire one or two people just to fill out all the forms needed now.

Solution is no government involvement
Let's get the government out of healthcare. No medicaide, medicare, no requirements to treat people who don't/can't pay, no requirements that insurance cover specific treatments, no restricting of the ability of people/employers to purchase insurance across state lines, etc. We should also either tax health premiums paid by employers, or give everyone the same benefit (by allowing people tax credits for health insurance up to some limit applying equally to employers and individuals). This would give/put freedom and responsibility back to individuals and families.

A few other recommendations to increase freedom and responsibility. Remove the FDA's ability to prevent people from using "unapproved" medications and just allow them to give their seal of approval to medications. Allow drug manufacturers and doctors to contract with patients restricting the right to sue in the event of adverse outcomes.

Star Parker is right that with freedom comes responsibility. But there's something missing from her article: namely how we lost freedom and responsibility for healthcare.

Libertarians recognize that government is the means by which a small group of people steal from everyone else. So lawyers, doctors, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and others have gotten in bed with politicians (via campaign contributions) to do exactly that (steal from everyone else) by restricting freedom and responsibility for thier personal benefit. Government should not be involved in health care - we'd be free and responsible if it weren't.

Will the government use free health care
sto drug you? It's already taking place on a daily basis in our public schools. Studentw in our public schools who used to be spanked for their misbehavior are now classified with a few letters after their names and adminisitered ridalin. What will the government make you take to keep you in line? Heil, Obama!

SFA1973
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 7:43 AM EST
Doofass:
Why don't you donate your alleged "reired military health care" to a member of the groups you listed?"

There is no alleged about it and you know it. I do a lot of work with and for those groups and my wife works at a clinic. Healthcare is a classic example of why you reactionaries could not rule: you unable to be pragmatic enough to select the best, most effective solution. You and your ilk find it so much easier to incite idiots to kill those who do what you don't like. Fundamentalist christian mullahs are as much a problem as fundamentalist Muslim ones. Only you demonstrate why the Muslims are more effective: pragmatism

Government Healthcare
I was supported by Government health care when I was in the military for 22 years. I found it to be heartless and non-responsive. I did not have many health issues but in many cases I had to force the military to treat me even for injuries. You see government health providers only have to come to work. In many instances they do not have to compete and they can blow you off completely.

Brujo Blanco
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 8:53 AM EST
Government Healthcare
I was supported by Government health care when I was in the military for 22 years. I found it to be heartless and non-responsive. I did not have many health issues but in many cases I had to force the military to treat me even for injuries. You see government health providers only have to come to work. In many instances they do not have to compete and they can blow you off completely."

And I had and have (I am still an out patient at Walter Reed) the exact opposite experience.

Smoking
Star: Why did you leave out smoking? It is said to be more common among the poor and the ignorant? It is the cause of much illness-lung cancer, emphysema, bladder cancer, coronary heart disease. I shop at a grocery store that has many food stamp recipients and I see them buying cigarettes-not with their food stamp card. Many of them do not look healthy. Of course, smokers will help Social Security because many of them will die before being old enough to "draw," but they will add on the rolls as being totally and permanently disabled and will add a lot of costs in the months it takes for them to finally die.
Star: Do you smoke? If you do, I hope that you will quit.
Donald W. Bales, M.D. retired
Donald W. Bales

Socialism and fascism
Our schools are socialist--owned by the government.

Our healthcare system and big oil are fascist--privately "owned" and micro-managed by government.

But when the inevitable problems occur from our acceptance of socialism and fascism, who gets the blame? The "greedy" people who want to produce wealth and keep some of it.

There you go Hal!
A comment from you that finally makes sense. And you didn't even put your agenda forth and blame the other side. You and Brujo had different experiences with the same provider. The solution? Choice. You go to them Brujo doesn't and goes somewhere else. Nice concept, eh? The trouble with gov't programs is they are run until they collapse despite warnings from others. We already have proof that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, will eventually implode from the expense, but governement will wait until it is critical before it tries to act and it will be too late. That's why they added an amendment to SS that it is not a guaranteed program and can be altered or ended without reimbursing those that have contributed to it as it is just considered a tax. Canada and Europe are also being warned, even by some of the architects of the health care, to take action now as their health care programs start approaching the breaking point in two to three decades. But even as the waitng periods get longer and the elderly are more commonly denied care, they won't, until it is too late. We process over 2 million Canadians visitor visas a year with the reason for medical care.

Exit strategies
What are our exit strategies from the quagmires of the government's Wars on Poverty and Drugs? Have we planned an exit strategy from the coming quagmire of the government's War on Healthcare?

Insurance Companies Practice Medicine
If you have private insurance and think that doctors are making your health care decisions you are very wrong---your care is being decided by insurance company employees, who are no better than the "bureaucrats" you fear.

You may not be old enough to remember when a patient going in for major surgery slept the night before at the hospital. Now, insurance won't pay for that night and you will be driving to the hospital (sometimes 100 miles) to report at 5 AM while having spent the night enjoying a gallon of Go-Litely laxative as a pre-surgical prep. After the operation, you will be sent home immediately, before having had a chance to rest in bed and recover from nausea and pain. You will be left on your own to cope with drains, bleeding, infection, irrigations, bandages, pain, and nausea (which formerly were taken care of by professional nurses IN THE HOSPITAL). This is not for YOUR benefit: it is because insurance companies invented "same-day surgery" to cut their costs. Hospitals have had to respond by building entire same-day surgery departments.

Your doctor's prescription can now be changed by the pharmacy to a cheaper one, at the behest of the insurance company. Your surgery, drug, or chemotherapy can be refused by them. The time your doctor spends with you is also ordained by the insurance company. These "review decisions" are made by CLERKS following a check-list.

Interestingly, European countries have not jumped on the same-day surgery bandwagon. Gosh, I wonder why?


Lilly
European health care providrs (the state) cut services completely, not the time in hospital. Even during the heat wave in Europe years ago, the French Hospitals were instructed to stop answering phones as the system was overrun and failing. Many seniors died in their apartments becuase most did not have air conditioning. The French Government claimed it was justiied as the only option and blamed the crisis on the Mother Nature. They still do this on smaller scales. So does Canada. That's why both Canadian patients and now Canadian nurses (about 20,000 a year) are applying for visas to work at U.S. border hospitals as the medical layoffs in Canada continue to grow.

Jezzzzzz
I am a nurse so I can speak on this with some backing. The poor while true usually have more illness it is not because they do not pay for medical. It has to do with sub standard medical treatment for just that reason. It has to do with lack of education. It has to do with lack of self esteem and consequently lack of self care. It is about not having the money or access to fruits and vegetables never mind organic fruits and vegetables. There are people from all segments of society who will abuse themselves and have issues with smoking, obesity, STD's. The difference is in the poor communities smoking is almost encouraged, obesity results from eating too many carbs which are cheap in the diet, and STD's are not treated as quickly as someone who can call up a Dr. and make an appointment in confidentiality and not have to wait at a clinic for 5-6 hours. And who do not have as much information on how to prevent it.

To suggest that because they do not pay for health care they have no stake in their health is really wrong on so many levels.i will tell you that is the rich or the nearly rich who will benefit the most from universal health care. Every one pays for the health care now of those who can not afford it. Believe me in a big way. Low socioeconomic issues become part of the fabric of our health care system and the cost has to be absorbed by those who can afford it. You are not naive enough of to think the CEO's of these hospitals will have it affect their pay scale as it is structured now do you? You do not think Insurance Companies will absorb the cost do you? And let me just say Doctors will not as well. And trust me you do not want nurses who are just motivated by pay checks alone in the hospitals.

Universal health care if done correctly can address all these issues and again if done correctly it may actually improve health care for all of us.

Healthcare decisions
Lilly, what is your solution? Will bureaucrats be better than insurance company clerks? Saint Obambi, the most brilliant man in the Universe, can't lead us through the wilderness for more than eight years, and then what?

The best way
to reduce the cost of healthcare is to remove all the taxes from it. This can be done by repealing all existing taxes, fees, and charges, and replacing them with a single efficient tax that is all each level of government needs to fund its legitimate programs. This would reduce the cost by one-third (1/3) as soon as the new tax was enacted.

Will Brain-Dead-Ted and RINO Specter go off the taxpayer-provided Senate insurance plan, and go on the plan he advocates for the rest of us, along with the poor service and the denied care?

rdsefert #19: This is what others mean by "Pay for service". You go to the doctor, who treats you. Then he charges you for your treatment, w/o add-ons for government charges.

Great solution
Now, I feel warm and fuzzy all over. All we have to do is rely on government to implement Universal health care correctly, and it will address all our problems and improve health care for all of us.

To Dan
Now I think you've got something there. Get rid of the FDA's "ability to prevent people taking unapproved medications". Well, actually, they don't have that ability now---if a crook cooks up something in his basement, advertises it online, makes an unsubstantiated claim that it cures cancer, and sells it to you, it's the crook who may be in trouble, not you.

Now, even if the "drug" is expensive (say, $4000 a month) you may be willing to buy it if you are scared or desperate enough, and you would quite naturally submit the bill to your insurance if you are lucky enough to have any. Do you think Blue Cross should fork over $$$ for a substance that has not been shown to be efficacious (it works) and not to be toxic (it's harmful)? Just on your say-so? Or the crook's say-so?

And then, you want everybody to sign a guarantee that the patient can't hold responsible the manufacturer or conveyor of this mysterious substance. So: imagine an entrepreneur, untroubled by chemists or pharmacologists, concocting a "drug" about which he makes any unproven claim he wishes. You swallow it. Turns out it has interesting side effects. It causes exfoliative dermatitis and your skin starts peeling off in large sheets. Or it screws with your liver and you become jaundiced. Or it interacts with something you're already taking and you begin bleeding copiously from nose, gums, and rectum. Tough luck.

Why do you think the FDA came into being in the first place, if not to protect the public? Do you think the public health is better served by removing that protection?

Oh, for crying out loud!
What irony that this wonderful new government health care program that will examine people’s life styles is proposed by the bloated and alcoholic murderer Ted Kennedy. Recall that more people died in his car than at the Abu Graib Prison in Iraq.

The federal government has a clear and convincing record of being unable to run even simple programs honestly, efficiently and effectively. Space prevents listing its failures. Useful fools like Kennedy have only one solution. An obscenely expensive program that is riddled with abuse and producing unquantifiable results.

"Nothing is less productive than to make more efficient what should not be done at all." --writer Peter Drucker (1909-2005)

Cynthia,NY say's How about This?
How about this!
Follow what Mexico does.

Anyone entering their country, not being a citizen, is not entitled to any benefits from the government!

The American people are kept in total darkness as to the expenditures concerning illegals in this country. It is totally out of control.

Health Care
Next time you go to your Doctor ask him if he plans to "take" this new government plan. The good docs will not. We are going to have to bring in docs from the Middle East like England did. We already do this in some medical fields.

State of the Healthcare System
Good article Ms Parker. I’m certainly for taking responsibility for my own health and believe in the choice of healthcare versus the government mandated, ram it down your throat kind but some major changes are needed. For one, pharmaceutical companies need to be reigned-in big time in the way they peddle their poisons and gouge the public. Next, the freeloading deadwood insurance sector with questionable value-added contributions needs to be eliminated or at least shrunk to a reasonable level. We must also find a better process/mechanism that tamps down the greed from the medical establishment and the spiraling costs (other than the insurance quagmire). The medicos need to spend at least 50% of their efforts on prevention and not primarily in treating symptoms with the poisons of their buddies in the pharma industry. The process must be simplified so these rip-off artists don’t find 101 ways to gouge you and everyone knows up-front what they are getting into. In my opinion, the biggest problem is greed followed by a confusing (purposeful?) process. Doctors, like lawyers need to be taken down a peg or two; they are not, repeat NOT, the demigods too many people make them out to be!

To lilly
You've got two things wrong. First, it is illegal for pharmacists to sell drugs only approved in foreign countries in the US. It's also illegal to advertise drugs for purposes not approved by the FDA. So do you think we should restrict people's ability to take drugs because some people are irresponsible? Take away thier freedom to "protect" them, and take away their responsibility too.

Second, I'd say the FDA exists mainly to protect pharmaceutical companies profits and markets. There's been a lot of studies showing that many people have died because of delays they've caused for approving drugs (like beta blockers) and that's more than they've saved by not approving potentially bad drugs. Plus they've approved drugs that have had bad side effects and have subsequently withdrawn them. See http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page _id=3928&query=FDA&hiword=FDA%20

Consider that the free market helps ensure safety such as the Underwriters Laboratory or even fire insurance companies. Do you think the government does a better job than the free market? People do want safe and effective products and the market does it better than any government has.

Seems to me you're afraid of taking responsibility for yourself, or you want to use the fact that some are irresponsible to take away everyone's freedom. To people like you I say you need to be more responsible less you lose your, and my, freedoms.

Luckydog1
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 9:28 AM EST... You go to them Brujo doesn't and goes somewhere else. Nice concept, eh? The trouble with gov't programs is they are run until they collapse despite warnings from others..."

Why do you think a government program would not have choice? My military healthcare has quite a bit of choice and I have used it worldwide.

"...We already have proof that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, will eventually implode from the expense, but governement will wait until it is critical before it tries to act and it will be too late. ..."

No actually that was the incompetent conservative approach. The moderate liberal approach is to repair and replace as needed. For example, medicare and medicaid should be solvent with a new national healthcare system.

"...Canada and Europe are also being warned, even by some of the architects of the health care, to take action now as their health care programs start approaching the breaking point in two to three decades..."

Golly gee I don't think Canada can wait that long and Europe is always revamping and restoring. But even poor Canada pays less for better results than we do

"...But even as the waitng periods get longer and the elderly are more commonly denied care, they won't, until it is too late. We process over 2 million Canadians visitor visas a year with the reason for medical care."

Those waiting periods are also in the US I hate to tell you. By the way more than three quarters of a million Americans now go abroad for medical treatment and that number is raising rapidly

a blank checkbook

Once it is determined that Health Care should be available to everyone, just like the Postal Service, the way to reduce Health Care costs is simple. Just eliminate all insurance companies, their buildings, computers, and employees, and get rid of all Government health care employees.

That would also eliminate the need for people in each and every doctor’s office and hospital, who spend their day filling out insurance forms.

I understand that there is a list of the procedures and the cost of each, for various parts of the Country.

Give every qualified doctor, hospital, and pharmacy a blank checkbook so they could write a check each evening for all the services they had provided that day. Have a bunch of auditors keep track of what is done.

That is page one of a 5,000 page Government document.

Just remember the post Office Service. Anyone can mail a letter, and anyone can receive a letter. With Govt Health Care, everyone can get sick, and anyone can see a doctor, just go to the closest postoffice, I mean medical facility.

In 80 years I have never had a problem with the PO for thousands of letters and packages, NOT ONE.

Statue! Statue! Statue!
I like the idea of a statue of responsibility. I think it should feature our fearless leader standing tall in his beach attire, his skinny, never-worked-a-day-in-his-life arms reaching for the sky. In one hand he holds a crumbling car, in the other, a crumbling dollar bill.

from Rasmussen
President Obama contends he inherited the nation's ongoing economic problems and that his actions since taking office are not to blame. Sixty-two percent (62%) of U.S. voters agree with the president that the problems are due to the recession that began under the Bush administration.



Lilly
It's true that insurance companies don't necessarily pay for every little thing. But for all that, why should insurance pay for 'everything' in the first place?

Truth is, the checkups we are drilled into thinking we need every year are not always necessary, unless there's an ongoing issue. In any case, most of us can and frankly ought to pay for basic checkups, up to and including dental exams, eye exams, glasses, fillings and such. There is no good reason to have insurance covering such basic maintenance. Your auto insurance doesn't cover oil changes, tires, and other maintenance, so if you can budget for these things as being part of the cost of owning a car, you can budget for basic medical maintenance as part of the cost of owning your body!

Honestly, don't you think that if everyone had to pay for his own basic care, we'd all take better care of ourselves? And in the course of which, would learn to manage money a bit better? Don't tell me that these 'poor' people who somehow always manage to have the money for their fancy cell phones and tattoos etc can't pony up for a basic checkup.

It is not my responsibility to pay for your health care.

Kathy says
"The poor while true usually have more illness it is not because they do not pay for medical. It has to do with sub standard medical treatment for just that reason. It has to do with lack of education. It has to do with lack of self esteem and consequently lack of self care. It is about not having the money or access to fruits and vegetables never mind organic fruits and vegetables."

Education, no doubt, is part of the healthcare problem. If you want to correct it, open up eduction to competition using a voucher system. Let the parents who care about their kids send them to a good school, and when some of those kids fail, let the parent get angry. Meanwhile, instead of teachers counting on unions for their income, private companies can bid for their services, just like in the real world.

Look at the voucher program tested in DC. Eminently successful, it was cancelled by none other than the Messiah himself.

I am a 50 yr old man
fighting stage 4 lung cancer. Because I have my own insurance, I am able to keep the cancer at bay, with minamil impact on my quality of life. If the gov't takes it over, I am a dead man. I mean, I'm white, Christian, conservative and have worked all my life (still working, too). That means I qualify for ZILCH from the feds. And I don't want anything from them, as they screw up EVERYTHING they touch. Evrey Dr. I've talked to about socialised medicine (and I've had the op to talk to over 100 in the past 6 months) has said the same thing: They will soon be unable to provide anything for anybody. That means they will either "retire" or leave the USA to practice medicine elsewhere. We will see what Canada already has - people literally dying while waiting to see a specialist. But see, this is what the libtards want; they cull the conservative population and control the rest with their caorrots and sticks.

Fantasy Control
How about a statue of Obama as a skinny Atlas in billowy board shorts, with the world on his shoulders and a banana peel under his feet?

Prevention
is driving up the cost of health care costs. General wisdom is that healthy people with no symptoms should be scheduling colonoscopies, mammagrams, prostate exams, bone density scans, chest x-Rays, yearly physicals with blood tests, uninalysis, and more. Add flu shots and every new immunization on the market.

I could be costing my insurer and all the people in my pool a ton of money if I paid attention to the prevention guidelines. I would be like many of the supposedly educated people, doing all the right things to maintain my health, dutifully running to the doctor.

Prevention to me is doing what my family has done for generations: avoiding smoking, cooking nutritious food at home and not eating junk food, controlling our weight by pushing the plate away from the table, walking and exercising instead of being couch potatoes. But many people do not follow those prevention prescriptions. What to do about them? Under socialized medicine, the government will monitor their lifestyle habits in return for their taxpayer-supported care. Big Brother.

Rights Vs. Responsibility
A must listen/watch on a Conservative take that is complimentary to your column, Ms. Parker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPFscnP5J7s

TY and God Blesss

health care and being American.
"We as Americans accept that health care is an individual right, even if someone else is paying for it."

Last time I checked, I was an American citizen. Yet I don't not accept health care as an individual right. I Don't even accept it as a priviledge. Pure and Simple it is a service that you pay for. and our health care is not the issue, it is the insurance of said care, and that most definitely is a service.

HAL
I'll answer 2 of your posts in ONE of mine! Now thats American efficiency eh???

1)The poll you referenced to will almost never change because 75-80% of that 62% who favor Obama are completely mindless drones who would support Obama regardless if he sacrificed a child on Rev Wrights alter. Those Polls need to be broken down demographically to have any legitimacy at all.

2) I have NEVER heard anyone speak highly of Canadas OR Europes healthcare systems. NO ONE. For you to say Canadians pay less for better care is asinine but IF I read you wrong I appologize.

T

Hal
First of all, leave your agenda at home. Health care needs revisions, the question is how. This is not about blame or political philosphy, this is about the future of our health care. Try looking at it, for a change, that we are all in this together. I know this may be difficult for an agenda driven liberal, but give it a try. Don't tell me about why Americans go abroad. I process them, It is mainly for monetary reasons for people of wealth that fund their own health care. The poor in Canada are not better off. I have interviewed them. Third, there is evidence from OMB that SS and Medicare/Medicaid will be benkrupt if nothing is done. There is no evidence, NONE, that a future government health care program will make them solvent. NONE. There is not even evidence showing funds available to pay for the new program. Again look at this from an unbiased prospective. We are all in this mess, left right, center.

Hal
If, as you claim, you were a jet jock and, therefore, a "zero," my guess would be that the standard of your military medical care would be more akin to that of the members of Congress than that of the poor and downtrodden for whom you purport to have such empathy. Was it not deplorable conditions at Walter Reed that got that general round-filed not that long ago? But maybe the zeroes get to enter the front door at Walter Reed.

IT'S SOCIALIZED HEALTH INSURANCE
NOT---Health Care

And We the people will have NO Rights, Responsibilites or Health Care, but we'll pay through the nose for liberal left government Health Insurance which will use its POWER to DENY payment of claims.
The 'bailouts' and 'stimulus plan', all that taxpayer money spent and We the People got NOTHING in return and NO ONE knows where the money went. Same goes for Universal government Health Insurance, our tax money will go IN and that's the last we'll ever see of it. We are just buying another lie in the long list of government lies we've been sold since governments intentional creation of crisis.

THE 'OPPORTUNITY' FOR FASCIST FLEECING AT IT'S FINEST.

Thomas
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:30 PM EST
HAL
I'll answer 2 of your posts in ONE of mine! Now thats American efficiency eh???

1)The poll you referenced to will almost never change because 75-80% of that 62% who favor Obama are completely mindless drones who would support Obama regardless if he sacrificed a child on Rev Wrights alter. Those Polls need to be broken down demographically to have any legitimacy at all."

Rasmussen is right leaning but I am amazed you have so little faith in your fellow citizens

"2) I have NEVER heard anyone speak highly of Canadas OR Europes healthcare systems. NO ONE. For you to say Canadians pay less for better care is asinine but IF I read you wrong I appologize."

Actually you hear lots of folks talk positively of European healthcare unless you refuse to listen. Canada has the worse healthcare of almost every industralized nation but still gets better results than the US. The facts are out there in survey after survey. We pay FAR more than anyone else and receive less

Teddy Bear
is terminal. He won't have to live through the socialized health care legacy he leaves behind.

Luckydog1
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:35 PM EST
Hal
First of all, leave your agenda at home. Health care needs revisions, the question is how. This is not about blame or political philosphy, this is about the future of our health care..."

it is and please take your own advice

"... Don't tell me about why Americans go abroad. I process them, It is mainly for monetary reasons for people of wealth that fund their own health care..."

LMAO are you saying the wealthiest don't care about quality too???? But you are missing things Kaiser in your own state is sending patients out of country

"...The poor in Canada are not better off. I have interviewed them..."

Have you interviewed the poor in say inner city St Lewis or rural Mississippi to compare like to like?

"...Third, there is evidence from OMB that SS and Medicare/Medicaid will be benkrupt if nothing is done. There is no evidence, NONE, that a future government health care program will make them solvent. NONE. There is not even evidence showing funds available to pay for the new program. Again look at this from an unbiased prospective. We are all in this mess, left right, center"

The new healthcare is not designed yet is it?

Re: The Nanny State!!!
I think these clowns in the WH want to institute a health care system like that of the VA and this cubbies would be a horror!!! Here is why, I have had 7 surgeries on the same knee and it is still not right!! And some of the surgeries were done by interns, not the orthopedic doctor who I saw and arranged some of these surgeries!!! Unto this you will face long lines and waits to get care and in most cases the people that will deal with you are incompetant at best and have not a clue as to correct a problem!! Imagine that if I had a heart condition??? That idea just blows my mind, I know of more stories like this that are worse than mine so just let me know if I can shed light on this outrage that ClownBama and his ClownBots are going to pull, for what to insure the 14 million illegals and insure a demo voting block!!!

Gloria
"Guess I'll just walk out into the desert right now and let the coyotes have their way with me."

That has to be the absolute best comment of the day.

It says it all!

Hal
Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 12:35 PM EST
Hal
"it is and please take your own advice"

advice about what? What does that mean???

"LMAO are you saying the wealthiest don't care about quality too???? But you are missing things Kaiser in your own state is sending patients out of country"

No I didn't say that. Of course the waelthy care, but they want to save money too. . You can find excellent quality in India and China much cheaper if you're funding your own care and willing to travel and that's smart. That has NOTHING to do with our health care. THEY ARE NOT A PART OF IT

...Kaiser is sending them where????... and so what?? So what??


"Have you interviewed the poor in say inner city St Lewis or rural Mississippi to compare like to like?"

What does this have to do with anything I said about Canadians???

"The new healthcare is not designed yet is it? "

Then how do you know it will solve SS/MD ills??????????????????????

Hear Ye All Slaves!
Hear Ye All Slaves!

Pravda, in an editorial, wrote that Obama was leading America to Marxism. They, also, used the terms Weimar Government and Mugabe's Zimbabwe, which I have been screaming about for months.

Two months ago, Putin warned Obama about Socialism.

China thinks that Obama is nuts and it owns YOU. It will, also, be shipping 50,000 GM cars every year to the United States, but they will all be white putt-putt cars. They have also threatened to counteract Obama's protectionism with one of its own.

Fiat owns, in plus part, Chrysler.

Obama has promised another $50,000,000,000 to GM so it can emerge from bankruptcy.

The Germans have pledged another 1.5 million Euros.

Canada has donated $5,000,000,000 to GM.

John Kerry wants to nationalize the media.

The mega-banks have been, effectively, nationalized.

You will get a choice in healthcare and it will be #1) UK style or #2) Canadian, which is a failure in both. And, it will cost you $10tn over the next 10 years.

The national debt will be $23.9tn in TEN YEARS.

Unemployment will continue to rise.

Hyperinflation will come.

You will be denied your choice in cars.


Even Obama has said (a little while ago) that your miserable existence will be a sacrifice for generations to come.



OlGrumpy
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 1:06 PM EST
Hal
If, as you claim, you were a jet jock and, therefore, a "zero," my guess would be that the standard of your military medical care would be more akin to that of the members of Congress than that of the poor and downtrodden for whom you purport to have such empathy..."

I assume zero means officer? Probably not but you do have a point that being a jet jock did give me access to specialist services faster because they wanted to us functioning at peak performance

"... Was it not deplorable conditions at Walter Reed that got that general round-filed not that long ago? But maybe the zeroes get to enter the front door at Walter Reed."

I was actually an inpatient at Walter Reed during that time. The General refused to confront the Bush regime when he was provided insufficient funding to maintain the place he should have been fired. The commander a couple of tours prior to him was not promoted for overspending by 40 million because he refused to cut treatment or housing for patients. However, at its worse patient care never suffered and the maintenance difficulties were leaked to the press by military folks who knew where loyalty should lie.

Hal
Although I hear and read of Americans going to Canada and Mexico to get drugs they cannot get in the U.S., because of at least one aspect of the "healthcare" industry that has been subjected to oppressive government regulation, we hear very little about Americans going to either of those countries to get mainstream medical treatment. In fact, we hear a lot about Canadians who can afford to do so coming to the U.S. to get treatment for which they would have to wait months or even years in Canada. And, as far as I can tell, virtually all of the immigration between Mexico and the U.S. is one way--north. While we are on that topic, I understand it is extremely difficult to immigrate to immigrate into Switzerland, for example. Folks do not generally leave good for bad, and, with the exception of the U.S., with its porous borders, many of the "good" countries do not want immigrants from the not-so-good countries. So, how is it all of those places are so much better than the U.S.?

No such thing as a free lunch
I agree with you Star Lets face it if you are not paying for it why worry about the ones who are. In the past few years your Doctor was told to install Electronic Filing systems so they could communicate with government bill offices.

If you are serious about Socialized medicine speak to the retired person in England or Canada. The conversation will turn to waiting in line or being indiscriminately denied treatment because you just did not fit the guideline.

There are more people going out of country for some treatments, we are driving our patients to patronize other countries for prescriptions and when you do get a chance to get service in a Hospital or clinic you see there are fewer people attending to your needs longer lines and shrinking facility’s Does this signal doom, the complete collapse of the system? No it only exemplifies our need to adapt to the market change.

Having a government agency to mandate the climate of your business only deteriorates the service you are able to provide. There method of customer service is how many people are pushed in and out of an office not the quality of health care or addressing the population that needs the service. Understand that insurance did not become blotted and non responsive because of there own malfeasance. They were only responding to the guidelines set up and mandated by the Government, same as the banking industry duress to make loans and the new US Car manufacturing. Keep this in mind when you write to your representatives who by the way work for you. Remember that I know they are becoming more sensitized with the next election coming up.

Star Parker
"he saw the looming dangers of freedom without responsibility. He observed: "

Health care and dangers of freedom without
responsibility do not belong in the same
topic. There is no situation in which some
people will be irresponsible. We don't build
our social network around them. We are building
our health care plan around those who have been
left in the dust by high costs and economic
disasters.

If Medicare is a Ponzi scheme, then it is time
to change that. In other words, first lower
the health care costs and then if we must,
raise the payroll deductions to cover it.

Why must we believe that the one is impossible
and the other verboten. If those people who
now have great company-paid insurance (are
there any of those left), then it is time for
them to feel the pinch too of the high cost of
health care. Why should only the underprivileged feel it. I think that there
should also be an understanding that insurance
is not a company perk. It comes out of personal paycheck and it must cover everyone
in the family. We want to make our businesses more competitive on the world market. How can they be competitive when
other countries don't have to pay insurance
for their workers.

Kenneth:
"England or Canada. "

Are you aware of the fact that the UN puts
medical delivery much higher than that of the US. England, a great deal higher, though several countries beat them. Canada is closer
to our 37th placement on the list, with Cuba
nudging us at 38th.


I am of course thrilled that you are well
taken care of. But at least half of our
citizenry are not, and the slope is going down
not up.

Kenneth
No such thing as a free lunch "

***
Nice thought, but unfortunately there has been
a free lunch many of us want to have
stopped.

There are those who have had great or somewhat
great insurance paid for by their companies. Whatever the value of that insurance is, no tax is paid on it. It is an expense for the company and it is not considered income for the employee. For the now majority of people
who do not have such a perk, they have to buy
their own, at much greater expense, on an
income that has already paid taxes on the
full amt - no tax deduction for buying their
own insurance.

I think also that once national health care
is established, virtually nothing should
happen without a co-pay. Whether it is based
on procedure, cost, or personal income is
immaterial to me, without co-pay we will never
be able to stay ahead of the game economically. If a person is unemployed & cannot make the co-pay, then
medical service would be limited to life-
threatening and life-altering applications
only.

All who want nationalized medicine...
PLEASE READ THESE:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/soci alized.html

I don't care where you fall politically, if these articles don't scare the dog squeeze out of you, then you are beyond help!

People, please don't let this happen. Because once it's implemented, it's the health care you will have for the rest of your lives.



Texas Tea Party
Well, your moniker says a lot I must say. But
I would think that a Texan would at least attempt to hide fear better than the rest of
the right-wingers.

National health care is coming, unless someone
manages to shoot off Obama and half of the
democratic Congressmen. And it might even
make it after that.

It is of course quite possible to set the
program up incorrectly. My opinion is that
without co-pays, whether they are charged
by cost, by patient income, or by type of
service, is probably immaterial by some sort
is essential. Also, in my opinion, is that
it should not be a company perk. Those who
are employed must pay the insurance for
their family, so that costs for the company
go down. Should it end up as a perk, it should be considered a taxable income for the
employee, something that isn't happening today.

For those who cannot make the co-pays, medical
service should be limited to life-saving and
life-altering procedures only.





Donald from TN

Donald,

A recent study indicated smokers actually save the healthcare system money.

Most major expenses associated with healthcare come in the twilight years of life. Kidney function tests, liver function tests, colonloscopy, x-rays, mri, blood tests, stress tests heart and circulatory tests, etc. etc.

Smokers tend to die long before many of these tests are regular events in their lives.

The bottom line as a result of this study is that because smokers lives are cut short by 5 to 10 years, they actually reduce healthcare costs for eveyone because they simply do not live long enough to require expensive tests on a regular basis.

But following your thought process, should parents of kids in school athletic programs pay more? Should parents with kids with skate boards and bicycles pay more? Should the weekend handyman pay more? Should people who rock climb, ski, or go hiking through the woods or national parks pay more? Should people with Tennis Elbow pay more? Should computer geeks with Carpel Tunnel Syndrom pay more? Should people that use their backs to life heavy packages and loads pay more? Should Police and Fireman pay more because their work shifts and stress reduce their life expendency? Should truck drivers pay more for health issues associated with driving thousands of hours and poor diet? Should pregnant mothers with a poor diet pay more? Should bowlers get a reduction and golfers get an increase?

Who pays $10 more a month? Who pays $50 more a month? Who pays $500 more a month?

SOC HEALTHC. NOT IN PUBLIC INTEREST PT A
When you are left with a permanent handicapped/death in family isn't the time to DO something about healthcare here take a look at this

so... it's no surprise the DEMS want the Soc Healthcare since it targets most harshly CHILDREN/SENIORS as well as the PUBLIC at large.... what does it mean??


how many people don't know that an EAR INFECTON LEFT UNTREATED will result in PERMANENT PHYSICAL handicapping of your child/person.

How many people DON'T know THAT allergies and asthma LEFT untreated will result in PERMANENT HANDICAPPING and/or death and even more so in children?

YOU CAN bet the DEMS knew and are still willing to sell down the river the PUBLIC BY insisting on dragging it's feet on kicking out the soc healthcare and bailout.

HOW MANY people don't know that the longer the DEMS drag their feet on KICKING out the bailout the HIGHER TAXES will have to go to offset the spending spree these WASH DC SLUGS are on.

Geightners so-called fix?? it's creating a re-inflation bubble scheduled to burst worse than the one we are in and it will occur in 7 years.

why is that relevant??? ONE YEAR LATER... the bill for the bailout becomes due and payable and if the USA CANNOT PAY?? we will be owned by foreigners whom subscribe to sharia law.

To the present it's only one of the 1 % group of people attempting to destroy our Nation's economic systems.


To Tammy:
Wow, you really spent quite a bit of time reading the articles.

Why don't you actually take some time, open up your mind for two seconds and maybe consider the possibilty that Barack Obama may not know as much as he thinks he does about the medical industry to just simply take it over. This is not a conservative/liberal issue. It won't just be 47 million people w/out health care, it'll be 325 million.

SOC HEALTHC NOT IN PUB INTEREST PT B
WHY??? It was said to a WASH DC VIP---that the reason the Socialists think they will win this time and are doing this is because ACLU and their DEMS SLUGS -- they don't think American's are " smart enough" to care to let their fingers do the walking to protect their lands, their CONSTITUTION or their freedoms. The DEMS and ACLU don't think the 99% of American's will be 'smart enough" to CARE about their country, their homes, their small business enough to kick the WASH DC SLUGS out and send them packing by way of Balagovich for NOT doing what is right to protect PUBLIC freedoms and the free enterprise system (ie meaning small business/med business) and rights.

Therefore, they want to make sure they take all freedoms away from the public and they want to make it impossible for FREE ENTERPRISE to exist for the small business and mid business and sole proprietorship thru gravytraining BIG BUSINESS bankrupting our Nation and MUSCLING OUT the small/med sole proprietorships, and creating a welfare state. A move straight out of the marxist handbook. and by attempting to eradicate free speech.

Then, we will be SOCIALIST/GLOBALIST/MARX/FACIST/COMM COUNTRY and the marketplace will be MONOPOLIZED AND DOMINATED by the ENGORGED 1 or 2 or several big businesses in sector. Gone will be the hope for any American whom would wish to start a business and earn profit to live on

Seek legislative and LEGAL agencies to DISMANTLE the bailout and kick out the SOCIALIST stimulus.

see American center for law and justice

Something to think about..
On April 8th I logged into the Texas Dept of Public safety and renewed my drivers license. On May 30th my new license showed up in the mail.

On April 7th my doctor told me I would have to have abdominal surgery. I had my surgery on April 21st.

And for Lilly, I have no desire to spend the night in the hospital before my surgery, and I was ready to leave the day after my surgery, but had to stay another 2 days and nearly lost my mind. I could not relax. I think most people wouild rather go home as soon as possible. People are much more comfortable at home. Of course there are some surgeries that is not possible and would require a longer stay. The funny thing with people like Lilly it that they think if the almighty federal goverment takes over, people will be able to stay at the hospital as long as they want and will get whatever treatment they need no matter what the cost.



Where we are
There's a commercial running on TV currently in which man-on-the-street is asked whether they've been to the dentist recently. No? Why not?
Well I lost my dental coverage... I don't have insurance...
These are people shopping in an upscale mall somewhere. They are saying they're unwilling to pay for their own dental visits.
I think this underscores Ms Parker's astute (as usual) observations.
Many people have come to believe that they should have no out of pocket expenses for their health care. Some of them are driving a Lexus.


You hit the nail on the head Star.
Responsibility has become a dirty word that is absent from the vocabulary of liberals like the big O. Unless, of course, the word is used in connection with one's responsibility to "pay their fair share" or "contribute to the greater good" etc. Liberals will only use the word in terms of one responsibility to others. Never in context of personal responsibilities. Alas, the republicans are running a close second when it comes to making individuals responsible for others.

In The Incredible Fool, Tammy

I lived in the UK and in France. My sister and her family still lives in France.

None of us would be caught dead in a socialized hospital. Even the lower middle class will dip deep into their pockets to pay for a private doctor or clinic.

Even the NHS in the UK says that the system sucks.

Cuba? You've been watching too many Michael Moore movies.

Donald & UsefulIdiots
Perhaps Donald is not aware that smokers do pay higher premiums in most health insurance plans.
Not to mention they are paying for SCHIPS via a tax.

I know this is anecdotal, but all of the smokers I know have a couple of things in common: in spite of having healthcare insurance, they tend to use the healthcare system minimally or not at all (for one thing I suspect they shy away from getting harangued by epople like Donald!) and the other is that they are all healthier than their peers (in their age groups). It's curious, I know.

Perhaps they'll die younger, but I have to agree with another poster here that the "prevention" strategies of today (not the healthy diets and exercise ones--I'm talking about the serial mri's and other medical tests, the lipitor etc.) have driven costs up and there is no evidence that they are increasing survival.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"In The Incredible Fool, Tammy "

St. Denis. There are some things that automatically make your opinions not worth
reading. One is to call someone the incredible fool while presumably proving that I am a fool because you lived in the UK and France once.

"None of us would be caught dead in a socialized hospital" Which means that you
have not experienced their hospitalization
any more than I have. However, my husband
has, in France. My daughter had clinical
help several times in Japan (for sore throat
problems). She loved it. One of my college
roommates married a Swede and has lived with
their system for over 15 years. She thinks
the US system is a joke in comparison. I am
in Europe at least one time virtually every
year. On occasion twice. I have several
connections there. I have conversations
with these people about health care. I have
yet to meet anyone who wants to trade with
me. Some do admit to going elsewhere for
medical services - all involve things like
plastic surgery, surgery on veins, etc.
When it is a heart attack, or a gall bladder
attack, it is done at home.

Save your outrage for someone else. There is
a huge amount of anger within you. Which is
probably why you are a right-winger. Right-
wingers have a tendency to fear the unknown
and that has been proven with ata least 3
separate studies in 3 different countries.

These are studies whose results get proven on
a daily basis on TH.

To Tammy:
Tammy, if we have to accept your anecdotes, will you accept these?


Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage
- David Rose, April 23, 2009 [Times Online]

Number of children going to hospital to have teeth pulled soars by 66% since 1997
- Daniel Martin and Cher Thornhill, April 12, 2009 [Daily Mail (UK)]

NHS 'failings' over elderly falls
- March 25, 2009 [BBC]

Learning disabled 'failed by NHS'
- Nick Triggle, March 24, 2009 [BBC]

Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait
- Lyndsay Moss, March 21, 2009 [The Scotsman]


I could give you about 100 more but who has the time...

Wait, here's more:

Disabled children wait up to two years for wheelchairs
- March 4, 2009 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS under fire over waiting times
- February 25, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Government procrastination blamed for HIV-contaminated blood tragedy
- February 23, 2009 [Guardian Unlimited]

Specialist nurses 'vastly overworked'
- February 20, 2009 [Harwich & Manningtree Standard]

Hundreds of operations cancelled at Lothian hospitals
- Adam Morris, February 19, 2009 [The Scotsman]

Stop asking for antibiotics to cure coughs and colds, Government tells patients
- Daniel Martin, February 17, 2009 [Daily Mail(UK)]



And more....
Only five out of 51 hospital trusts pass hygiene test, say inspectors
- Sarah Boseley, November 24, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

Top doctors slam NHS drug rationing
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, August 24, 2008 [The Times]

Heart patients dying due to poor hospital care, says report
- Sarah Boseley, June 8, 2008 [Guardian Unlimited]

NHS dentistry loses almost a million patients after new dentists' contract
- David Rose, June 6, 2008 [The Times]

Private healthcare managers could be sent to turn round failing NHS hospitals
- Philip Webster, Political Editor, and David Rose, June 4, 2008 [The Times]

Cancer patients ‘betrayed’ by NHS
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 1, 2008 [The Times]

NHS scandal: dying cancer victim was forced to pay
- Sarah-Kate Templeton, June 1, 2008 [The Times]

To Sarah Connor in TX
Yes, Sarah, and those hypochondriacs who will fill up the waiting rooms and beds because they love attention, will make our taxes soar...just like Sweden's taxes are astronomical. And I'm Swedish! So I don't badmouth Sweden lightly. There are lots of people who are bored and without inner resources who will flock to the doctors with vague complaints because the soap operas at home are not sufficiently holding their attention. Socialism/Communism is helpful for morons! A truism. Our country will be so dumbed down when this is all over, we'll have cartoons running back to back on primetime!

texas tea party
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 5:40 PM EST..."

Now is it our turn to list all the people not getting medical treatment and running up huge bills as they lay dying? Or how about those who don't take their Blood pressure pills etc because of costs and then die of stroke or heart attack? These emotional arguments do nothing but muddy the issue. There is no perfect system but which is the best? We do know one thing - that is that America's healthcare is a failing system with far worse results at far higher cost than most other systems including Canada. This is a fact ask most healthcare providers

Let's review!
Obama loves you and has a plan for your life.
1. He knows which doctor and treatment you should have.
2. He knows the car that is best for you.
3. He knows how much energy you may use. (The WH has a plan "to deploy 40 million smart meters in American homes." What if Karl Rove tried to do that?! lol)
4. He knows how to choose the political speech that is best for the public airwaves.
5. He knows what is best for children, and that this is to be decided by the gov't, not parents (UNRC).
6. He knows children should have school from 0-4.
7. He knows that all of your children should serve as (mandatory) volunteers to his government (HR1444 Sub section 4B6)
8. He knows which companies are "green" and best to provide goods and services to you.
9. He knows that states should not use their own natural resources; he knows the federal gov't should control land, not states.
11. He knows that people should not eat too much, and his gov't can help with this problem and save the planet: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3107696/Consumers-s hould-cut-meat-and-milk-intake-to-combat-climate-change.htm l

I am sure I missed a few things. Remember, and pass it on: "Obama loves you and has a plan for your life."

IT WILL TAKE TWENTY YEARS
ONCE THE DEBACKLE IS ENACTED THROUGH CONGRESS IT WILL TAKE TWENTY YEARS TO CORRECT THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM OF THE UNITED STATES. WHEN THE DEATH RATE IN THIS COUNTRY START RISING BECAUSE OF THE NEW ADMINISTRATION COST AND THE FRAUD AND DECEPTION OF CIVIL SERVANTS AND UNION MEMBERS. THE BLAME GAME WILL BEGIN AS OBAMA DECIDE NOT TO SEEK REELECTION.

We are paying for the lunch
My biggest concern is how we are being ignored by the Socialists who are more concerned with back paying the special interest groups. If you want to see a hemorrhage looks at how Medicare part D works with the Donut effect. Prices for medicines are inflated so you reach the Donut faster then pay the full price until you pass to the end of the Donut. The total cost of the medication is calculated your payment and the insurance providers in this amount. You need to pay 100% of the cost until the Medicaid picks up again. So in a short we get to get total cost of 2700 for medication of when you break down what is paid to the Pharmaceutical maker who is forced into this unrealistic pricing

Before we all get nee jerked into “well there is research cost and cost of bring to market”. We do not need socialized medicine we need to make room in Jail for the crooks dipping the system along with the politicians who are greasing this runway.

who owns health care?
The purpose of government, the reason people enter a society, is for the protection of life, liberty an property. People simply do not enter into a society to lose these things. Legitimate government is not to take these things away.
Now there may be the VOLUNTARY cession of money to the government in order to protect those things, but it is understood to be necessary to have a lawful and just society where rights are protected that people may be free to pursue their happiness. For those that didn't get the above, that means taxes.
However when government begins determining the allotment or rationing of one's property/fruit of labor it has overreached and enters into oppression. For the government to say you have so much, you must share with this person of your wealth, is theft and the beginnings of slavery.
This is the major issue in any discusssion of health care. People discuss it like they own it. They do not, others are offering it, for just compensation. We as humans want everything to be right, to be an utopia. This is natural, and we should want it. However it is absurd for those who do not own/posses/have something to impose upon others what they feel should be the compensation for a product or service.

who owns health care?

When people begin to shanghai the government and turn it on people to force them to give what is theirs, it is not government, merely criminality in the false guise of legitimacy. Leftists have created a religion of situational morality with no foundation. The cry is always it's wrong not to give your property away, so we will force you to, but we will call it something good. The truth is when government is perverted to force others to accept what could be called positive laws(in that one is not just restrained from committing harm, but is now told what to do that is good)a religion is in effect. No good ever comes from forcing people into virtue. You either have some such as communism, where the people merely exist to perpetuate the government, or you have inquisitions where peoples thoughts are put on trial.
This is what we are seeing today, a greatly immoral judging of other people and whether they have the right to possess as much as they do, and this perverse "social justice" where people are tried by sentiment, but their are no legal proceedings, think due process, there are edicts from on high, there is villainizing in the media, but no trials. If one cannot through due process prove that one unrightly has something, who are others to circumvent the legal process, and use mob rule to take from people in any way their life, liberty and property/fruit of labor? Merely passing legislation determining one's legitimate wealth does not make it right. Rights are inalienable, they are given by God, and no man has the right to set himself higher and override these foundational rights.

Declaration of Independence
There are those who say that the D of I is not a legal document for the US because it was not included in the US constitution. This is fundamentally flawed in that it assumes that the US constitution is a national, rather than a federal one. Federal means that the federal government exists for the benefit of the states. Any simple reading of the US constitution shows that all the powers delegated are for matters external to the states.
It is important to understand that the federal government was not meant to act on behalf of the states, for when one does that, and then looks to the state governments and their constitutions at the time of the ratifying of the US constitution, one will see that GA, SC, NY, VT among others included the D of I in it's entirety for their state constitutions, and others adapted very similar language.
This means that the understanding of government is to protect those unalieanble, GOD given rights, and that GOD, not man is the source of those rights. No man may take away those rights except through due process.

From Christine Pelosi
"When it comes to shooting cops in Pennsylvania (http://kdka.com/local/officers.shot.Stanton.2.975820.html) or killing a doctor in Kansas (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/how-i-and-other-pro-life_b_209747.html), the "fire" is an atmosphere of hate speech where people were told repeatedly that a pro-gun safety president was taking their guns away or that a pro-choice president was promoting baby killing..."

I see why you fear the words hate speech. The killer evidently was one of you haters...

Doofass:
You want to see a hater, a bigot, a liar, and hypocrite, look in a mirror.

SFA1973
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 7:19 PM EST
Doofass:
You want to see a hater, a bigot, a liar, and hypocrite, look in a mirror."

Why do that when you are right in front of me

Cold Fusion
You enumerated a pretty impressive list of Dem's interests in the control of our peeps. I'm sure there are hundreds more. They've got to keep us under their thumbs. When will we ever take control of our lives again? It will all be uphill from now on.

Actually,
I am none of them, but you most certainly are, and have admited it.

Hal Donahue
You really make me sick with your holier than though ramblings. You are glad to give everything to everyone as long as it isn't yours to start with. Healthcare in the USA is bad because we let non medical people supervise and run it. On the other hand we have the finest "Medical care in the "World" Why do you always hear about the people that are brought here to receive the "Best" procedures available to modern medicine. Leave our freaking Doctors alone to do their business, they don't need knucleheads like you trying to tell them how to operate. Back to your Huffy Puffy, you truly are irrelevent. Cheers


OUCK FBAMA

Hal Donahue or whatever your name is
I have read your post about our failing health care system. Ummm, there is nothing wrong with it. I had a heart attack a year ago. I received excellent care and treatment. You distort the truth about facts, there is nothing wrong with our health care system. It is expensive, that is true. But you babble about expensive drugs. umm, those prices aren't set or dictated by doctors or hospitals. Do some research on just how much it cost to research and develop those drugs that save lives and extend the lifespan of many. It is far from cheap, and the level and amount of testing that the FDA, and I wonder if they do anything, impose upon those drugs so that they may be approved and provided skyrocket already massive amounts spent to research the problems and develop the drugs. And honestly, have you watched a commercial for some of these drugs, the side-effects are so numerous and sometimes severe with the medications that I wonder why anyone would take them.
But our health care system is not failing. Oh by the by, Hal, I had insurance through my employer at the time, extremely good insurance that cost me a minor amount of my paycheck, yet I like everyone else at my plant lost their jobs when for numerous reasons the company shut down the plant I worked at. I was on a drug called Plavix, ever hear of it. it is ridiculously expensive, not as much as some drugs, I could afford it with my insurance, oh, you should have seen what it would have cost to keep that policy on my own, I worked for a evil multinational corporation, yet they paid the bulk, and I mean bulk of our insurance. Yeah, the big corps don't care about their employee's, I am sure you believe that. But back to the point of the Plavix, I was told I would never be able to stop taking it, and would need it all my life to live. Yet I can't afford it, so I no longer take it, and I will say this, I am no better, nor any worse off without it that I was with it.

Hal Donahue or whatever..continued.
When I find another job that provides insurance, I may go back on my regiment of Plavix, but under no circumstances would I ask the government to take from your wallet just so I can have a treatment I may truly need to live.
I doubt you could understand why I think this way. But I just wanted to let you know, I, who has a health issue, will never ask the gov to take what your worked for to give to me.

big oops
In my 6:56 posting I meant to say the federal government was not meant to act on behalf of individuals. Please read the second paragraph as such.

Tammy, Whatever

You will get some form of socialized medicine and the country will become like the EU with an anemic 1.9% growth in GDP annually.

Perhaps, you haven't heard of Geithner's trip to China. Hat-n-hand to the Chinese. He gave a speech on Obama's "fiscal conservatism" and the university students howled with laughter.

St. Denis In Obama's Red America
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 9:00 PM EST
Tammy, Whatever .."

You are getting boring. Time for you to go home to Franc

Doofass
You've been a boring bigoted, hating, lying hypocrite, since you got here. Go back to France, and post on HuffPuke where you belong.

Classic Govt. intervention.......
deserves two classic quotes:

"hope I die before I get old"
and
"Soylent Green is people"

So, Tax me to death and feed me to the young..


SFA1973
"Date: Jun 1, 2009 - 9:14 PM EST
Doofass
You've been a boring bigoted, hating, lying hypocrite, since you got here. Go back to France, and post on HuffPuke where you belong."

Happy to leave this is getting boring. Please do know that all TH has to do is ask me to leave and I am gone

Doofass:
Mentally, you have been gone for years.

hal and hate
Hal I have challenged you before to look in the mirror, I will do so again. Please read the following and think about it.
What is hate? Well, to a great degree hate is to devalue someone (or something, but context here). It is not necessarily active, but it will be expressed one way or another, depending on the degree of hate. Why am I bringing up hate in the context of this article? I do it as both a challenge to Hal and his ilk, but to show why government controlled health care is actually harmful to society as it actually promotes hate.
As I said earlier, hate is to devalue someone. This is why it is important to have just laws, and an impartial, just legal system that favor no one. One cannot be favored over another without it being through someone being devalued, being considered less worthy of justness or justice.

For Obama Lovers...

Obama must raise nearly $2tn by 10.01.09 to pay for his spending over the next 4 months.

If he cannot raise it by getting the Chinese or the Saudis, etc., to lend it to us, he will have to monetize the debt (think: Weimar Govt. or Mugabe's Zimbabwe) or dramatically raise interest rates across the board.

Now, who has skin in the game?

hal and hate ...continued

This is why the foundation of a just, wise and good government must be the protection of life, liberty and property/fruit of labor. On this foundation the individual is valued, and through that government protecting those rights man's value is maintained. This is also, why a legal system is needed, to ensure if those rights are violated, that there is a just decision given to level the wrong. It cannot be justice, if the appropriate value is effected.
If a government (other than what Israel had as an entire people submitted to God willingly) is established on any other foundation than inalienable rights, that government is unjust, and hatred is expressed. If a government turns toward the devaluing of person, and legislates in favor of a particular person or group over another, it is unjust and hatred has become law.
Now when we have a government that turns to "social justice", which is a leveling without actually trying anyone, but merely what is right or just in the eyes of some(maybe even many) hatred is the course of the day. People have been devalued because they possess more, and are not considered worthy of their right to their property/fruit of labor. It is the converse of looking down on people because they are poor, or not a name in the community. It is hatred because they are denied due process. The only process applied is that of what people arbitrarily determine. Not an absolute right to one's property/fruit of labor, but only at the grant of those in power.

hal and hate ..closing segment

So when people say that is only right that the "more fortunate"(note how that implies randomness and chance, and thus is not the right of property/fruit of labor) should provide for the less fortunate as in government provided health care, they are expressing hate for the one who has more by saying we will only protect your right to property/fruit of labor this far. Thus that individual has been devalued.
Does this mean that the poor are to be neglected? NO! Absolutely not. It does mean that it must be voluntary, that only by this means can we ensure a just society. The decade of the 80's called by some the decade of greed, saw voluntary giving increase in real money terms by 56%. Clearly there was some degree of correlation between taxes being lowered and deregulation. When government rightly values people and their rights, then all benefit, even those with less.
Now, back to Hal. I ask you, who is the real hater?

Points that Star did not mention..
45 mil Americans are uninsured. 27% of the uninisured have incomes above 300% of the poverty line with one in ten having incomes above 500% FPL.

Not all low income uninsured qualify for medicaid. Adults without children comprise 45% of the pop under 65 but total 57% of the uninsured.

The uninsured are more likely to be white than other races or ethnicities, comprising about half of the uninusred population (48%).

However, Hispanics disproportionately represent the uninsured (30%) due to being on jobs that do not offer health insurance.

The vast majority of the uninsured are working individuals or children of those who work. In 2004, 46% of the uninsured worked full time while 28% worked part time. Additionally, 6.9 mil declined ins coverage due to cost. The uninsured are more likely to work in small firms than large corps.

Star can fall in line with others and pretend that nothing needs to be done about our current healthcare system. As one poster noted, his employer provided insurance is great (just as mine) and he doesn't think the system needs adjusting. However, the cost of health care is an issue nationally and does affect the economy as a whole. Ask the GM execs.

Source: US Dept of Health & Human Services - ASPE Issue Brief

This is called "blaming the victim"
I can't help but wonder if it could not be the other way around, that if people had better and "fair" (note I did not say free) access to health care that their low incomes might would improve with the better health that they may be able to achieve.
Star, you must love the politicians that are currently in power. Because shifting the blame (or only occasionally mentioning the health care problem) from the people who are actually are responsible for health care policy worked so well for the last administration that many republicans who don't have health care found themselves voting for Obama.

Paying For Obama's National Healthcare
There's only one answer on how to pay for nationalized healthcare - Excessive Taxation - which use to be against the law until 2009!
1. Government taxes the rich to death.
2. Government taxes the middle class and works them to death. (if they still have a job)
3. The socialists start suggesting euthanasia to the elderly and save six months or more of
healthcare benefits by snuffing them out early.
4. The President implement an Executive Order to Kill all the babies worldwide before and after birth by abortionists - after all, the only reason to kill some thing is if that some thing or some one is alive saving tons on future government hand out healthcare programs.
5. Socialists continue to promote gay rights which would reduce healthcare costs substantially in the future as fewer people would be pro-created.
6. The government chooses who can have medical care or Rx drugs.
7. Tax the people to death so those at the top who are paid with our tax dollars can live in the lifestyle that they believe they deserve even if it means taxing the people to death.
Now will someone tell me - how did those trillions stimulate the economy and create jobs as Obama promised? What happened to the gold?


GLORIA Got It In One!
..."Costs will be controlled, according to Senator Kennedy, by setting up a new army of bureaucrats who will get rid of proverbial 'fraud and abuse,'" sounds like the punch line to a bad joke. And lib comedians say they can't find anything humorous about this administration.

Scott in PA
Have you contacted the drug company's help program? Most pharmas do have them.

Hope you're doing OK. :)

Cynthia to Rose #114
You got it just right gal!

Kill the elderly and the uborn or born babies.
Save money!

Socialism is the ideology of hate and death.
Do you see anyone in Obama's cabinet suferring
including him? They spend otyher's money like drunken sailors.

They just don't pay taxes at all!

Rose, you have restored my faith in the fact that there is intelligent life in California!





Healthcare used to be affordable.

Healthcare used to be very affordable in the United States.

That was before Liberals got the government involved.

Try Lawyers
"That was before Liberals got the government involved."

That was before lawyers got involved. Of course, they're all democrats

Tammy
Your list is bullsh*t. Use your brain. Like everything else in America, some organizations will benefit, perhaps by billions, to manufacture this stuff. If you are anywhere in the world and get really sick, you want to be in the US. WAke up before the special interests further destroy your freedom.

Government spending has created hundreds of thousands of special interest groups, all vying for their fifteen minutes (or fifty years) of fame. And all requiring regular infusions of cash from AMerica (which they kickback to people like Obama). See Tony Rezko if you have any questions.

Return it to the consumer
Health care was destroyed when we gave all the tax breaks to companies and started having government pay it out to specific groups. When a person is expected to pay out of pocket for care, they'll go to the best option for the price that can be paid. If someone else pays it out, all they're concerned with is the cheapest.

Governments have no incentive to offer good care. Insurance companies have no incentive to offer good care. The only solution is to fully deregulate the entire health care system and give all the tax breaks directly to the consumer.

Any extra layer in the process, be it an insurance agent or government bureaucrat, will just make the end result worse.

Deregulation worked wonders for consumers with the airlines and cable television. Maybe we need to learn those lessons. Never let someone else handle your money for you.

Democrats and trial lawyers
Since 1999, trial lawyers have contributed $983,402.00 to the Democratic party.

In the same time period, they contributed $129,250.00 to the Republican party.

(source - campaignmoney.com/triallawyers)

rights,responsiblities of health care.
Star Parker is right......I haven't found anything to disagree with yet-----in all her writings.....Bless Star Parker......My kind 'o gal....so glad I am on her side................rw

How we got here--a confession
Voice of Reason (Reply #4), I want to talk to you--how can we make contact?

Present health care problems caused by the government and attorneys? Yes, but there is more--see below what I posted on another website:

"I understand the frustration many feel about health care. The costs are extremely high. In that regard, I have a CONFESSION to make--here goes:
Prior to the early 1970's--most of you were very young or not yet born--health care costs were much, MUCH LOWER than they are now--about 1/100th!
Consider this--health care is repairs & maintenance on our bodies. Prior to about 1970, we handled it the same way we STILL handle R&M on our homes, cars, etc.-- we took personal responsibility for it—so it naturally followed that we held providers ACCOUNTABLE for the quality AND cost.
Using these basic economic principles, costs and quality were kept at reasonable levels.
So, what happened in the early 70's?
This: employer sponsored health insurance which gradually became “full coverage” insurance (everything covered!) Yes, I AND MY GENERATION FELL FOR IT!
At that point, personal responsibility and accountability (see above)were abandoned and costs began to spiral upward.
It was like leaving the chicken house door open on a cold night. The result--dead chickens. What got the chickens? The cold? Wild animals? Thieves? Yes, but the BASIC PROBLEM was WE LEFT THE DOOR OPEN!
The cost of a 24-hour hospital stay in my area went from $100 in 1969 to $10,000 by 2006. Why? Because we abandoned those basic economic principles that control costs.
So, what to do? You may prefer a government program--I prefer to educate people, find ways to expose and eliminate most of the waste, etc., and get back to the basic economic principles. Then health care will again be affordable for most Americans. Big job? Yes, huge job--maybe impossible--but I am going to try."

Voice of Reason, we need to get going before the government completely takes over!





Ah ah ah, Obama says too many calories!
Gov't "will decide for us how we should behave by dictating the preventative measures we must take for our own good."

Now there's a little price tag for you!

I can give one local illustration. In Oregon, fast food restaurants were supposed to be required to place nutritional info panels on their menus. People said, "This is burdensome. This is silly. It's none of the gov't's buisiness. It's easy to look up this info if any one needs it."

The gov't responded, "It's our business because we provide health care."

The implications are quite frightening, even if the example seems trivial at first glance.
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